Another good twist villain is Tighten from Megamind. The movie makes a really unique move by making a loser of a side-character into the main villain by giving him superpowers and then just having him make the descent into crime that would naturally come from empowering a creepy incel.
WarriorofLight I think Tighten counts. A plot twist is usually something that changes the direction the story is going. And the biggest loser in Metro City becoming the worst superhero they've ever seen definitely changes the story's direction. But, I will say that Metroman's secretly being alive is a much better plot twist.
That wasn’t the first time Pixar jabbed at Universal. The first time was in The Incredibles with the super, Universal Man, being the first victim of Operation Kronos. Universal Man is named after Walt’s former workplace where he made his first cartoon star and lost it to Mintz. Pixar actually discovered this and wrote the script to mock Universal. And that was before Disney took Oswald The Lucky Rabbit back.
In my opinion, Stinky Pete, Waternoose, Lotso, and Ernesto De La Cruz are the best twist villains. They have great motives, are intimidating, makes perfect sense, and ones that I totally didn't see coming.
@@thezman9522 I totally forget that Syndrome was a twist villain. And I definitely agree. He's also one of my favorites and is an example of how to do that kind of plotline right.
As for the cliché of "being let down by your heroes", if you want to do that WITHOUT defaulting to said hero turning out to be a villain, two movies I'd recommend for this are 'Robots' and 'Surf's Up'.
Also, The Incredibles (2004). In that film, the hero lets his fan down for their own safety, and said fan becomes a super-villain whose actions (luring a bunch of superheroes to their deaths with the Omnidroid, successfully shooting down a plane in hopes of killing Mr. Incredible's family, and use the aforementioned Omnidroid to attack random citizens so he can swoop in and "save the day") are completely disproportionate to his motivation.
Why did he even rank Hans at all? There's no real hints than Hans was a villain at all. No teases, no foreshadowing. It was a complete 180 by a character with conflicting motivations, and no character arc. He was one of Disney's biggest Twist villain bombs next to Professor Callahan from Big Hero 6.
@@soulreaver6546 Well technically Cruz tried to leave Miguel trapped in the land of the dead, which would have killed Miguel. But that's beside the point. Cruz had an effective Twist, with hints about the twist beforehand. Coco built up its twist villain. Frozen did not. There was nothing suggesting Hans was a villain all along. It's like they completely switched him out with a different character with confusing motivations.
@@ForrestFox626 I recently found an anthology of his short manga, it became available in my country this year. It's kinda funny how he seemed to experience a baseball phase ;) But for me, one of the most important parts of this anthology is the interview with one of the people who worked so often with Satoshi Kon - Susumu Hirasawa. It's so sad when he talks about Kon's final weeks...
In my opinion, Ernesto's case is a bit special. I think he barely does anything else as a villain because, at the point we met him, he literally has no reason to do bad. He isn't interested in, idk, poisoning the water of the living or taking over the town, he just wanted fame and glory and, unlike, let's say Hans, he already had it. He just wanted to keep his reputation intact, it seems fair to me he doesn't do much after the twist is revealed, just the needed to keep what he wanted to keep. He is the villain of his story, but he's not a very bad and maleficent villain with a mustache who wants to do bad just for the sake of it, he just has the mustache but not the intentions
Exactly. What makes Ernesto stand out compared to other twist villains is that, in a way, he has succeeded in his goal. He has already poisoned Héctor and became famous for his partner’s music, so he doesn’t really have to do much other than silence those who know the truth. I also love the irony in his defeat. He’s still famous, but not in a way that shows adoration. He still has what he wished for, but since he treated Héctor, Miguel, and their family with hostility, the people now do the same.
@@hashtagcritical8688 And having a fate crueler than the Final Death, being denied access to the marigold bridge and also being denied the Final Death since like you said, he’s famous for killing Hector and stealing his songs.
Oh, sure... if you ignore the fact he tried to kill a child (a child he'd believed was his own grandson mere hours beforehand, I might add,) to retain his fame post-mortem, and did everything he could to ensure a man he murdered was silenced, discredited and forgotten (even in the afterlife.) A murder/cover up which, btw, resulted in the victim's beloved wife - and generations of his family after - shunning him and everything he stood for, until La Cruiz's actions were exposed to the public years later. TL:DR - He took everything from a man he was suppose to be good friends with - including Hector's life, love, family and even nearly succeeded in ending the very memory of his existence. All for his own petty self-interest, and desire for fame no less. That's pretty bad, if you ask me.
“It’s yours”, that was a great one liners that also made waternoose a great twist villain. Sure Ernesto and stinky pete had those, but there were hints at their true nature while waternoose intention were well hidden along with his role in the factory.
Mr. Waternoose: “Sullivan. Unfortunately I’m going to have to leave you and your friend in the Himalayas to die.” Sully: “But... but, sir!” Mr. Waternoose: “It’s nothing personal. It’s just business. Undercover business!” Like if you understand which Animated film I’m referencing with this dialogue since it’s nearly similar to the one in the actual film I’m referencing.
@@hunterolaughlin yup, you’re right, he and lord business from the lego movie are similar, except business was already evil from the beginning. But still, that dialogue works for waternoose.
I deeply appreciate the commentary on Hans. Seriously, even without that book they made to further detail his motives, he's a very subtle kind of villain. Heck, he all but sings his motivations in Love is an Open Door. Being the youngest of his very long line of brothers, his inheritance would be next to nothing, so such a needy princess like Anna offered a chance at everything he could ever want. He'd just have to play the nice guy like he had been while brooding in the shadows. There are other villains I like better, but I think the hate he gets is mostly from the oversaturation Frozen got when it first came out.
Villains like Hans are actually very good at teaching younger viewers to exercise more caution with who they trust. Because even seemingly nice, charming people might be using a facade to hide their true intentions.
No, people hate Hans for numerous reasons, one of which is that he's, to put this bluntly, a shitty twist villain. For one the twist happens so late in the film that any development of his character and motivations is nonexistent. Secondly the more you think about it, he's a complete dumbass. He went through the effort to fake his relationship with Anna to get the throne of Arendelle, only to *reveal his whole scheme to her face* and then proceeds to leave her alone *BEFORE* she died. If anyone came across her like a maid or if she managed to write a note detailing what he did, his plans would have fallen apart. Give Ernesto some credit here, he made sure that Hector died before stealing his songs and done so in a way where Hector wouldn't have known that he was responsible. What Hans did was completely unnecessary and outright counterintuitive to his goals. He could've easily continued feigning innocence, if his kissing Anna didn't work, he could've easily rationalized it that even if they loved each other, that they simply didn't know each other long enough for it to truly count as true love. If he did this then he could've gotten Anna to publicly declare him king of Arendelle before she dies, since him just telling others that she did with no proof wouldn't fly and further investigation would've gotten him caught. This way once Anna died, he could easily claim that Elsa murdered her and gotten her executed, thus fulfilling his goals in a way he could get away with. Honestly, I think Ernesto deserves to be placed higher than Hans since his actual character was more developed, he feigned innocence for as long as possible, which shows more cunning and he was an effective villain who didn't clutch onto the idiot ball like a moron. He was frankly the twist villain that Hans should have been.
My only problem with Hans is the Rowboat scene when he fell in water and came out with a nice smile when he wax alone I know it was to trick the audiance but it would been better if we saw from another angel or if they changed the scene after he fell in the water,he was not bad asa villian but it was stupid of him to ignore the kiss and just go for kill the sisters by letting one die slowly and the other to kill with his sword. For me it would been better if they did the kiss and nothing happen and Anna realise that Hans does not truly loves her but he does not know it himself because his true love is to rule the county, so with a failed kiss he tells Anna it looks like the only way to get the summer back is to kill Elsa beacuse that is what think would work, sure Anna would tried to stop him but because she was weak she would fail and before Hans lock Anna in the room he would told he is sorry and he does love her. Rest of the movie goes how it did, but the Anna punching Hans would be more satisfied instead. But this is just my reason.
@@ryancarson6962 some might disagree with me but I would have replaced Hans with assistant mayor bellwether from zootopia here’s why 1 there was a small hint a little after judys press conference when she told Judy you did perfect 2 her plan almost worked with Hans he did nothing as a villain but with bellwether everything happened because of bellwether she planned everything almost perfectly if Judy didn’t find about the night howler flowers bellwether would have won she was literally a wolf in sheep’s clothing
In said book, it details Hans' brutal childhood where he suffered abuse from his 12 older brothers except for one due to being the youngest and his father who despises weakness, sees his eldest sons bullying Hans as a sign of their strength, to the point of refusing to acknowledge Hans' presence during family gatherings. The cruel treatment and the king's favoritism towards his brothers were the main factors for Hans' sociopathic behavior in the film
Rumi being the villain in Perfect Blue (the fact it was someone Mima loves, trusted, relied on, and the fact she is a woman) makes her eerily similar to Yolanda Saldivar, the woman who murdered Tejano singer, Selina Quintanilla.
I think what I love about Ernesto De La Cruz's twist is that there were subtle hints about him. The most prominent one is that when he takes the marigold petal, it doesn't glow like it did with Mama Imelda.
To be fair, the staff on Coco have revealed that it doesn’t have to be biological family member to give a blessing. Friends that are loved like a family member can give their blessing as well, it’s just that the feelings for the loved one must be genuine. And considering Ernesto just saw Miguel as a disposable vehicle to keep his murder a secret, the petal didn’t glow.
First time I hear heard the songs were issue for some. Olaf is both loved or hated. And Hans had gotten critique too but I really like him as a character and to fit the movie and the brand as a twist.
If only it had made sense. Like, you don't get a kingdom just because the queen and princess dies..that isn't how kingdoms work...if he had married either Elsa or Anna...but him just being told verbally by the now dead princess that he was in charge would't mean he would become the king... There is also the fact he literally saved Elsa's life..why? If he was planning on killing her anyway? Did he expect getting her remove the winter would win over the people? why not just let her die then he was the one that went on the expedition so he would have gotten the honour anyway.. So many things that just don't make sense.
@@bibbobella Disney originally planned Elsa to be the villain and Let it go has going to be a villain Song, but because the writers loved the song they changed Elsa into a tragic hero and the story was rewritten allover again, but that caused new problems. The reason why Elsa's ice powers are not explained is because the writers thought it be too overcomplicated for the kids to understand. If that's the case then how is changing Elsa from a villain to a hero a good idea again, because so far the story is a mess????
Turbo isn't really part of the "twist villain formula", that would imply that the movie has no villain for most of its runtime and then just has someone be the bad guy at random with little to no foreshadowing. The twist, as mentioned, isn't that King Candy is the villain, but it's also not _just_ that he's Turbo. It's that a character who seems like he might be redeemable or have good intentions - a quirky little Mad Hatter type of guy - is actually diabolical in the extreme, and petty enough that he did this just because two players turned away from his game for a few minutes once. In an earlier draft of the movie KC and Turbo _were_ separate characters with KC getting redeemed, so the idea was definitely intentional (this comes from an interview with the creators on the Blu-ray IIRC, and it's a shame that people pay so much attention to trailers/marketing/cameos but don't bother to watch stuff that comes directly from the crew). The audience is encouraged to give King Candy the benefit of the doubt even with the suspicions mounting - maybe he just doesn't want Vanellope to get hurt? - but then we learn that he's so unhinged that he's a danger to everyone and cares about no one but himself. He apparently didn't even care about making the other 2 Turbo Time racers homeless (or indirectly killing them) back during the RoadBlasters incident either.
@@fuckalldisneyremakesorigin5560 He's a unique kind of twist villain. With Ernesto, we see him as a charismatic mentor. We know Hal is kind of a cringe simp, but then he turns full on nihilistic incel mode after he gets his powers. It's refreshing how the transition of our perception of him isn't going from good to bad, it's going from bad to outright disturbing.
I'm so glad King Candy/Turbo is so high in most Villain twist lists, his reveal from the foreshadowing to the build up is absolutely incredible. The writing in Wreck-It Ralph is so good that even if you THINK you know who the villain is, it does a great job of making you DOUBT. When KC tells Ralph the reason for 'doing what he's doing' (e.i. not letting vanollepe race and thus going through 'evil actions' to do so), it convinces not only Ralph but the audience because everything he says is TRUE. The game COULD get unplugged and Vanollepe COULD die. And yet on top of that, his reveal as Turbo was brilliant as almost no one saw coming, Ralph and Felix's reactions mirror the audience, everything begins to make sense, and not only does KC/Turbo have to die THREE TIMES (game unplugged, Cybug, Cola Mountain) to finally be defeated, his Cybug design and battle scene is GENUIELY terrifying. The animation and voice work from Alan Tudyk is perfectly utilized to make KC/Turbo such a great and dangerous villain.
predictable? he literally gets recognized straight away and gru says "if anyone has the serum, it's him" it's not really a twist villain, it's really that the movie suggests there could be a twist villain that isn't this obvious "Evil guy" but then reveals that illumination is just not that smart
I hate el macho thanks to scaring me with what he did to the minions I know it’s a cartoon but I had to close my eyes watching the video until #9 that’s how much I was traumatized
I dreamed about Foodfight again last night. I’ve dreamed about Foodfight costumes, Foodfight winning awards but last night I dreamed that Foodfight was even more messy by mixing the unfinished CGI with pencil ✏️ tests and other hand-drawn ✍️ animation!
Disney really needs a new track record. Can you make a list for the most shocking plot twists in animated movies? Here's a good one: *Mighty Eagle & Zeta - The Angry Birds Movie 2.* "When the Birds and Pigs arrive on Eagle Island, the Mighty Eagle backs out and reveals to them that Zeta is a woman scorned and was his ex-fiance. As if that wasn't unexpected enough, when Mighty Eagle arrives to surrender, Zeta, more furious than ever upon seeing him again after all those years, angrily reveals to him (real name Ethan) that Debbie, who up until that moment seemed to be just another one of her minions, is _their daughter._ Not even Disney could come up with a twist that clever.
Another sign of Prince Hans’ villainy can be found in the song, “love is an open door“, with his lyric, “I’ve been searching my whole life to find my own place.”
First of all, I haven’t seen that movie, (yet), so I don’t know exactly what you’re talking about. Secondly, wasn’t that a made for TV movie? All the movies on this list were theatrically released.
One of the big surprise twists for me is this top 10 list didn't have an honourable mention. If it did, that honour would've gone to Judge Doom from Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Yeah, I think it was clear from the start that Judge Doom was the villain. I say the real twist was that he was the man (or in this case toon) who killed Eddie’s brother.
Rumi from perfect blue was hands down the greatest twist villain in a animated movie. When l saw the movie the first time, I was honestly confused at first. But after watching it again and looking at the characters behavior and actions, it all made so much sense. It’s one of those movies where you need to watch it more than once to look for clues to understand the reveal.
I think my favorite anime scene in general is that chase scene in the end, especially the part where she seems to be daintily skipping with a serene expression but is actually running at a full maniacal sprint in the mirror.
The Other Mother isn’t really a twist villain, if you’ve read the book by Neil Gaiman of course and she already acts pretty creepy throughout she scenes
I don’t really consider Syndrome a twist villain only because him being a villain isn’t really meant as a twist. Instead, it’s due to the fact that Incrediboy/Buddy *became* a villain as a result of Mr. Incredible’s actions. The twist doesn’t really hinge on him being a villain, but the fact that even a superhero’s idol can end up becoming their greatest nemesis.
To quote Prince Hans’ supervising animator, Lino DiSalvo from the book, the Art of Frozen, “He's a chameleon who adapts to any environment to make the other characters comfortable.”
I'd definitely count The Bedlam as a twist villain. There are two types of twist villain: the "Oh my gosh, the villain wasn't who I thought they were" type of villain, and the "Oh my gosh, the villain wasn't *WHAT* I thought they were" type. You know The Bedlam is the villain, but you don't learn what KIND of villain she really is until she reveals herself. I actually consider that the best kind of twist.
@@arbytv5139 Yes but he is still the villain in Lego Movie 2 and the fact he’s the future version of Emmet makes it a better twist because I bet NO ONE would have expected EMMET to be the villain in the 2nd movie. Honestly before it was even revealed that Rex was Emmet I didn’t really expect him though looking back at it , it was kind of obvious. However I never would have guessed that he was actually Emmet. Yes I did notice that they did look kind of similar but honestly when first I thought he was going to be revealed as Emmet’s brother actually.
I think I was spoiled to Rex being the villain sometime before I got to watch The Lego Movie 2, but the reveal of his identity was still able to shock me! And here I am, thinking that he was just going to be a huge joke about Chris Pratt’s career!
He was kind of predictable to be the villian but the twist with him being Emmet from the future was a good twist since no one thought that time travel would be involved.
Other animated twist villains reactions to not being included on the list: Bellweather: “Oh, come on! I’m way better than that Hans guy! At least my plan made much more sense than his!” Boingo: “I thought AniMat would put me on this list considering he stated my first film where I’m the main villain, as well as the twist villain, is one of his favorites!” Yokai/Callaghan: “Leaving me off his list. That was his mistake!” Lotso Huggin’ Bear: “I can’t believe I’ve been replaced again! This time with that prospector toy from that sheriff’s toy line. Although I’m more evil than he is! I almost succeeded in killing the sheriff and his friends before their alien friends rescued them from that incinerator whereas that Prospector toy got defeated before he could do any harm to that Sheriff! What makes him better than me?!?” Doris: (Eye glows red with anger due to AniMat leaving her off of the list)
Evelon Deavor: so much for not being not as good as Syndrome Commander Lyle Tiberius Rourke: guess that’s because my foreshadowing is TOO obvious Titan: leaving me off the list made a fool out of me! Syndrome (angry): NOO!! Clayton: don’t make me catch one of the villains in order to be in this list
This list is perfect except for Hans. He’s one of my favorite Disney characters/villains but everything surrounding how the plot twist is written and his characterization following that is so corny and doesn’t work when simply cutting him down to ranking him by the plot twist. I prefer how Zootopia’s twist works in how the dialogue is written compared to Frozen’s, but they both suffer from the same writing issues
Twist Villain! It was Animatt the whole time who puppeteered the whole thing! I'm still glad that trend Is over otherwise It'd get tiresome real quick and easily who to spot from the very beginning!
Timestamps for all the numbers in case there is any film y'all haven't seen yet and want to skip through ASAP Intro 0:00 #10 2:15 #9 5:47 #8 9:19 #7 12:55 #6 15:59 #5 19:37 #4 23:02 #3 25:52 #2 29:33 #1 32:43
An honorable mention for me, although Animat will disagree with this after seeing his Seal Of Approval snubbed review of the film, it is the Werecats from Scooby Doo on Zombie Island.
We do learn more of Hans backstory in the novel revealing that he had been bullied his brothers and while his father did live him, he had an "Only the strong shall survive" mentality and saw Hans as the weaker son hense being the thirteenth in line. Then Hans decided to take over another Kingdom and it's implied that he wants to kill his brothers and father once he takes over.
Yeah people forget that a good twist villain is about subtle foreshadowing, not straight-up having the villain act perfectly normally and then suddenly being bad with no clues. It's supposed to surprise you the first time you see it, but provide re-watch value when you go back and notice the hints. Turbo is a great example of this foreshadowing where you just think King Candy is quirky at first, then realize he's nervously covering up what he's done. The fact that he's the _villain_ isn't a secret (which is there from the beginning), the secret is the fact that he's genuinely merciless and a malicious invader rather than being a funny clown. Whereas Hans just acts like a regular guy and then is suddenly the villain at the last minute.
@@fishdude2954 Disney originally planned Elsa to be the villain and Let it go has going to be a villain Song, but because the writers loved the song they changed Elsa into a tragic hero and the story was rewritten allover again, but that caused new problems. The reason why Elsa's ice powers are not explained is because the writers thought it be too overcomplicated for the kids to understand. If that's the case then how is changing Elsa from a villain to a hero a good idea again, because so far the story is a mess????
I was kinda expecting Lots-o-Huggin' Bear to be number one, honestly. He's one of Pixar's best twist villains, next to Stinky Pete, Waternoose, Charles Muntz and Ernesto De La Cruz.
@@madsceptictrooper6803 Or at the very least a tie between him and Waternoose. Mat has his preferences but honestly Hans was a very weak twist villain. He's more like a mentally abusive boyfriend than anything else. Lotso, on the other hand, is a great twist villain not only because he's abusive for the sake of it but his actions are caused by a traumatic dark past that gave him a " if I can't be happy, no one else can" mindset. Though you do sympathize with him for a while, anything redeemable about him is completely thrown out the window when his fear of being abandoned consumed him and his cruelty is amplified. Which makes you wonder: given his backstory, did he really loved Daisy or just the attention she gave him?
@@williehampton3855 Not only that, but gives the biggest ‘eff you of the century to the toys where even after saving him, when it comes time to save them in return, he instead ditches them and leaves them for dead. Which just proves how selfish and heartless he is, where he’ll still only look out for himself even to those who’ve shown kindness to him. And they definitely would’ve been destroyed in the incinerator if the Aliens hadn’t come in the nick of time.
@@amirgarcia547 Exactly. That moment where they were inches away from being burned alive and about to accept their fate just made the scene both intensely heartbreaking and satisfying when they were saved at the last minute by the claw. So I'm glad Lotso didn't returned the favor to save them because it wasn't meant for him to. The aliens were the real heroes in that scene.
@ MadscepticTrooper Disagree, Lordi was just another version of Pete the prospector. But more predictable. Even if he was more sociopathic and dangerous, he was also less complex and sympathetic. Hans was very unique and charismatic and it made some perfect thematic sense to have him as the villain.
It still makes me laugh that the whole reason Randel from Monsters Inc squints ISN'T because he's evil and conniving... but because Mike told him to not wear his glasses.
I have never thought about it comparing both "Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Versus" and "Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm" since both are the greatest Superheroes Animated Movie of all time.
I appreciate having Turbo up high on the list. You can say what you will on the twist itself, but he still stayed a fun and entertaining character afterwards, just with a more dark and maniacal undertone. It gives him consistency, unlike some other twist villains who just do complete 180s.
I've always said Hans would have made a much better sympathetic villain. If Hans had actually kissed Anna and it DIDN'T WORK, prompting Hans to try to convince Anna to have Elsa killed in order to save Arrendelle. This would have been a huge test for Anna, is her sister more important to her than the safety of the Kingdom? But then Anna slowly realizes that Hans wants to rule Arrendelle more than he actually loves her, forcing Hans to make the decision to turn against Anna, "for the good of Arrendelle." This would have made a much more powerful impact I think.
10) how macho 9) FORGET YOU Ernesto 8) I was pretty surprised that he became a Skoll Heartless in KH3 7) no wonder they call him Stinky Pete 6) very twisted for Marvel and DC 5) based on the guy who took Oswald from Walt. Rip Christopher Plummer 4) turbotastic 3) the scariest animated monster in the history of stop motion 2) I’m glad that my employer at Target aren’t like waternoose 1) never seen this Japanese animated movie before
Ironically, as much as we want to forget Ernesto, he’s still going to be remembered in the film as the fraud who stole Hector’s songs and murdered him to get fame for those aforementioned songs and by Pixar fans as one of the best Pixar animated villains from the 2010 decade.
@@JoshuaOrro-MustangPrinceOR-YTB I know. I’m just stating the irony of people in the film wanting to forget Ernesto when they’re still gonna remember him for murdering Hector and stealing his songs.
I'm not gonna lie, Hans from Frozen is probably the worst plot twist villian I've ever seen in an animated film. It just didn't make sense to me as to why he was the villian. I felt that the whole concept of Hans being evil was rushed, since the movie was in need of a villian.
Actually, if you go back and pay close attention to certain lyrics and moments in the duet “Love Is An Open Door”, there are a few subtle hints about his plan to take over Arandelle through having a fake romantic relationship with Anna. Lyrics such as “I’ve been searching my whole life for my own place” and this moment: Anna: “It’s crazy”, Hans: “That we finish each other’s...”, Anna: “Sandwiches!”, Hans: “.....That’s what I was gonna say!” If you look closely at Han’s movements when he’s dancing with Anna, he seems to be having a hard time keeping up with her movements, almost like he’s mimicking them. So it isn’t out of nowhere.
Well Elsa was supposed to be the villain and the people behind the film decided to make Hans the twist villain instead at the last minute hence why it felt rushed. Even though I hated Frozen, I honestly would have wanted Elsa to be the villain instead.
@@Kaiju_Queen94 I honestly hate Frozen also. Everytime it's brought up as the greatest Disney film of all time, it just makes me cringe. Anyways, I agree with you Makayla, I feel the movie would've been a lot better if Elsa was the Villain
@@Kaiju_Queen94 *sigh* You people always want Elsa as the villain. Disney already has an ice themed villain with the White Witch from The Chronicles of Narnia that was inspired by the Snow Queen from the original fairytale. So, we have something close to a Snow Queen villain. I have a better idea for Frozen, how about no villains at all. Elsa and Hans are not villains, instead Elsa’s fears of society seeing her as a monster for her ice powers and hurting her sister are the metaphorical villain of the story. Also, there are already plenty of animated films with no villains such as “The Fox and the Hound”, “Finding Nemo” and “Finding Dory”, “Madagascar”, “The Peanuts Movie”, etc. Even the recent Pixar films don’t have villains such as “Onward” and “Soul”. Also, from looking at the trailers, it looks like “Luca” won’t have any villains. Point is, not every animated film needs a villain and some characters should be left as they are.
@@JoshuaVideoStudios Disney originally planned Elsa to be the villain and Let it go has going to be a villain Song, but because the writers loved the song they changed Elsa into a tragic hero and the story was rewritten allover again, but that caused new problems. The reason why Elsa's ice powers are not explained is because the writers thought it be too overcomplicated for the kids to understand. If that's the case then how is changing Elsa from a villain to a hero a good idea again, because so far the story is a mess????
Titan from mega mind. The title character trained him so much and well to be a hero and it seemed like mega mind was going to get the hero he needed to have his life back. But after he gave legitimate reasons, it's crazy to think the nerd inside got turned into what he became.
When the top twist villain turns out to be in an R-RATED Animated movie, that's how you know you've made history. "Animation is for children," they said.
❤💖 To be honest Mat, I don't have an issue with plot twist or plot twist villains if done right, well written or well-executed in animated film, live action film or tv show. The best plot twist animated film villain would be hands down King Candy from King Candy where he started off as a iconic video game but his toxic obsession being racer and winner made him a villain and even overthrowing Vanellope to take over another game. What a villain! Some work, some are good, some are ok, some are pretty bad, forgettable and predictable. Sure can be cliche but if done right. 😃😀😄😁😊 👍🏻 💖❤
Really? Hans? He's arguable one of the worst and laziest Disney twists IMO. Considering his villain twist was an afterthought since Elsa was originally going to be the villain instead of him since the people behind Frozen forgot that they needed a villain! 🙄
Actually, the love duet “Love Is An Open Door” provided subtle hints about his evil plan to conqueror Arandelle such as “I’ve been searching my whole life to find my own place” and let’s be honest, was he really going to say “Sandwiches” during: Hans: “It’s crazy.”, Anna: “What?” Hans: “That we finish each other’s...”, Anna: “Sandwiches?”, Hans:”......That’s what I was gonna say!”? Also if you pay close attention to Han’s movements whenever he dances with Anna, they don’t really match up with her movements also as if he’s trying to mimic them.
One thing I love about the Ernesto De La Cruz twist is that I guessed one element (stealing Hector's song), but not the other (he literally killed Hector), so I still got to be surprised.
16:41 Actually Prowler isn't a Twist Villain, Why, Because, he was already Miles' Uncle in the Ultimate Comics Spider-Man, Comics. Yeah, Marvel always does this weird naming convention most often, you see in the Ultimate Comics Spider-Man... Comics, (which is where Into the SpiderVerse is parshally adapted) Miles' Uncle Aaron Davis, is secretly a vigilante supervillain (kind of) known as the Prowler. He isn't a Twist Villain as he was already the Uncle who's secretly evil in the Ultimate Universe, so it's not a Plot Twist, it's more of a Adaptaion method. The same could go to Phantasm (As she was inspired by the DC Character the Reeper and named after Teens Titans character Phantasm) but she kind of counts as a Twist Villain, since she was created soley for Mask of the Phantasm, much like a lot of Batman Characters like Harley Quinn and even the origin story for Mr Freeze which technically counts.
MegaSoulHero Yet AniMat included Prowler as a Twist Villain. For Phantasm she kind of is a Twist Villain, because she was made soley for Mask of the Phantasm, but for Prowler, he isn't a Twist Villain remotely. In fact, everyone who watches Into the Spider-Verse can disagree with you, as the majority have read the Ultimate Comics Spider-Man Run, aka Miles' First Comic Book Series.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios But if someone were to watch the movie without having knowledge of the comics, which a lot of people did do, it would be an effective twist for them.
MegaSoulHero Not necessarily. For one, SuperHero Movies don't have any twists as they're usually adapted from pages to the big screen. Sure there are some twists that aren't ripped straight from comics such as Ra's Al Ghoul being Bruce's old mentor that he saved in Batman Begins, but Ra's and Batman had a history together with Batman being the lover of Ra's Daughter Talia, in other media both before and after Batman Begins, so that doesn't count. The only time we see Twist Villains in a SuperHero film is with SuperHero Parodies like Hal from Megamind. And like I said before, the majority of an audience for a SuperHero Movie have read SuperHero Comics before they watched the movie itself, so they know that Supervillains like Prowler, or even Kingpin are Supervillains as they read the comics or watched/played any Marvel Game/Show. Thus, Prowler isn't a Twist Villain.
I actually like Hans as a villian. There are numerous subtle hints that foreshadow Hans' villainy throughout the film before his reveal. When Hans falls back into water and lifts a boat, he gets a dreamy look on his face, likely thinking about the crown. Hans' duet with Anna, "Love is an Open Door", holds a few dark meanings on Hans' side of the song. The lines "I've been searching my whole life to find my own place" and "Love is an open door" secretly represent Hans' quest to dominate a kingdom, and doing so through false romance with Anna (in contrast with her actual love toward himself), who is his door to power. In the same song, Hans doesn't match Anna's movements in some scenes, hinting he's struggling to keep up with her. When Anna decides to leave to find Elsa, Hans protests that he doesn't want her to get hurt, because he hadn't married into the throne yet. However, when she puts him in charge, his objections vanish, and he seems to perk up. When Francis is about to kill Elsa, Hans looks up to the chandelier (presumably noticing the previous arrow had failed to hit its target) and points the weapon up, glancing at the ceiling when he shoots. While Elsa sees Arendelle frozen from her prison cell, Hans sees his reflection, hinting his self-serving nature.
5:55 - You said Disney “used to” love ❤️ making twist villains 🦹. Does that mean their recent animated films 🎥 like Raya & The Lost Dragon 🐉 don’t have twist villains 🦹♀️? (I haven’t seen recent Disney films)
So I hear, although I haven’t seen Raya or Frozen 2. But it’s gonna take more than two or three movies to convince me that Disney’s moved past their twist villain phase.
Raya doesn’t have a twist villain, Moana kinda does but does a different take on it, and Ralph Breaks the Internet and Frozen 2 don’t have a villain at all.
As "The Duke of Artz" this is a Triple great Great GREAT review of the Top 10 Twisted Villians 😉👍👍👍 My three favorite twisted Villains is El Macho, Charles Muntz & Mr. Waternoose :)
Eh I already knew Aaron Davis was the prowler because well I’m a die hard Spider-Man fan and heard about it in the comics but I did find it heartbreaking when it’s revealed and when he’s killed off (I cried my eyes out when they killed him off)
I read the comics and was entirely expecting him to be the Prowler, but I wasn’t expecting them to kill him off the way they did. Definitely a lot more heartbreaking than his death in the comics, where he just dies in a battle between him and Miles, Miles feels guilty because he believes it’s his fault, but then it’s later on revealed not to be the case.
Finally, someone says something good about Hans! When I first watched the movie I was shocked when he was revealed to be the villain. They made him look like a prince Charming, and even "defended Elsa. " But when Anna went in for the kiss that would save her life, he pulls back and says something along the lines of "If only there was someone who loved you. " That line chilled me more than Anna was(pun intended)
Hey Animat, this is for the Q&A, so I think this question is appropriate to put in the comment section of a list of the best twist villains: what makes a good Twist Villian? I’ve put the trope in a few of my stories since I have a soft spot for it, but I’ve thinking about how to do them right. Can you give us some pointers on how to do it right?
My boyfriend and I were talking about this just the other day. We were talking about how Coco and Monster's Inc did so much better than say Frozen, which came out of nowhere and had 0 build up. The point of a twist is to connect the dots and breadcrumbs you were given in a way you didn't expect. With Waternoose, you get hints that something is wrong. While we see him as supportive of Sulley in the beginning, he's melancholic, he's desperate. He says he would do anything to keep his family's company from going under. That coffee scene should be a masterclass on how to set up a twist motive. And along the way, we get more hints that maybe Randal and Fungus weren't alone in this. The build up is subtle but well written enough to where you can pick up on every clue you missed.
I think Hans was a great twist villain in that he was so bad at being a twist villain. Even so, Frozen didn’t need a villain. It could’ve been just focused on Anna and Elsa’s complicated relationship, and Elsa trying to understand her powers better.
I could see were Hans could be good, I feel Hans is a weaker character on the list. Not to be rude on your list at all, the thing for me about Hans is that his goal doesn’t make the most sense as in the royal families in both fictional & real world countries, if the royal family is dead(i.e. Anna & Elsa) they would find family members related to their parents & themselves to become their successors. Like how King Edward VIII abdicated the throne to marry Wallis Simpson & his younger brother George VI & as he had no sons, his daughter Elizabeth later took it. So they would’ve kept looking for blood relatives before Hans could ever be King of Arendelle. Correct me if I may have gotten some of this information incorrect, it’s just an issue I have with his goal in the film, & like you said how Anna later would get together with Kristoff & kinda hurts the moral of “Love at first sight isn’t the best, & you should get to know more about who they are before getting engaged”. Again, that is just how I feel about it & everyone has the right to feel different without getting into a heated & toxic debate. Keep it up with these villain lists, we have Scariest villains & now Twist Villains, I’m now curious if we’ll see a list of “Wasted Potential villains”. or “Supernatural Villains”.🧐
For the Anna hooking up with Kristoph, the movie already made it clear that they do love each other and they actually got to know each other pretty well throughout their journey. So combine that with the fact that Kristoph played a key role in saving her life, and it makes sense that she was willing to hook up with him
One of my favorite twist villains has to be Titan from Megamind. Or Tighten, as he apparently mishears. Hal Stewart, despite his name being an homage to the most iconic Green Lanterns, was a terrible choice to make into a superhero, but Megamind missed the thrill of the challenge so much that he wanted to make a new Metroman. Metroman himself wasn't a great superhero either, neglecting Metrocity to let him cause his mischief, but Snotty Kid was the Homelander through and through. Ok, it's not as gory, but using a serum to turn a sociopath into a metahuman does ring parallels to The Boys. One of my favorite aspects about him being a twist villain is how Hal doesn't start off with any hidden malicious intent. We do see how violent and awkward he is soon after he gets his powers, but then he causes danger for Roxanne thinking she will love him for it and gets absolutely pissed when she rejects him for Megam-I-I mean "Bernard." And this causes him to go from bad to worse, like an abusive loser do. He abuses his powers, threatens to kill his opponent, and subjugates Metrocity to his chaotic rule. Needless to say he doesn't subscribe to the whole "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" ideal and instead goes with "Great Power, Great Opportunity." He doesn't even get thrill out of the superhero dynamic like Megamind did. Unlike Ernesto, he's not a fraud; he wears his cruelty on his shoulders in place of a cape after he can't get a date. It fits right in with the host of twists in the whole movie; The Lex Luthor wanting to do the right thing deep down, the Superman wanting to abandon his responsibility to pursue his passions, the Louis Lane NOT wanting to be with the Superman, and the Superboy wanting to be... well, Superboy Prime. He's bad, but the degree of how bad was surprisingly disturbing. So disturbing that even the guy who actually fought a superhero knew more about being a superhero than the guy he turned into a s... you get the idea.
I would honestly compare Megamind to Brainiac than Lex Luthor since I feel like Megamind has more in common and inspirations with the latter villain than Lex Luthor.
Fun fact: when I went to go see frozen in 2013 when they revealed Hans as the villain someone in my audience yelled out “I KNEW IT”.
My theater too
What is scary though Is I Went to ridgefield high school with a student who i used to a crush on that looked just like Hans 🧐 .
@AT Productions wow. 😮😮😮
I was only in the 7th grade so i was surprised that he was a threat since he shared a song whose title doesn’t make sense but is cute anyway:
I thought Animat hated 2013
Another good twist villain is Tighten from Megamind. The movie makes a really unique move by making a loser of a side-character into the main villain by giving him superpowers and then just having him make the descent into crime that would naturally come from empowering a creepy incel.
I don’t even know if that’s a a twist villain, but yeah tighten was a great character study overall
@@holyhandgrenade5
This video had a pretty liberal definition of what counted as a twist villain, so I figured that Tighten counted.
I don't know if he is a twist villain, but he is great. Also, I love Jonah Hill.
WarriorofLight I think Tighten counts. A plot twist is usually something that changes the direction the story is going. And the biggest loser in Metro City becoming the worst superhero they've ever seen definitely changes the story's direction. But, I will say that Metroman's secretly being alive is a much better plot twist.
I thought his name was titan
Twist villains. They either work or they just bomb. It depends on how they're executed really.
Yeh I say half twist villains are actually good and surprising and half is just predictable and bad
@@godnicklol7596 It's a better ratio than most cliched tropes at least.
"That was his mistake!"
@@sarasamaletdin4574 Great film but just a meh villain.
Yep
You forgot to mention that Charles Muntz was possibly named after Walt Disney's old boss, Charles Mintz
@AT Productions never thought of that...
@@WolfmanArt Neither did I.
At least he mentioned it in Animation Lookback.
That wasn’t the first time Pixar jabbed at Universal. The first time was in The Incredibles with the super, Universal Man, being the first victim of Operation Kronos. Universal Man is named after Walt’s former workplace where he made his first cartoon star and lost it to Mintz.
Pixar actually discovered this and wrote the script to mock Universal.
And that was before Disney took Oswald The Lucky Rabbit back.
@@richieosborn2639 Really?
In my opinion, Stinky Pete, Waternoose, Lotso, and Ernesto De La Cruz are the best twist villains. They have great motives, are intimidating, makes perfect sense, and ones that I totally didn't see coming.
Those are all Pixar. You have any other ones? It doesn’t necessarily have to be Disney.
I thought he would include the villains in Scooby Doo on zombie island
@@thezman9522 oh definitely and Titan from Megamind
@@thezman9522 I totally forget that Syndrome was a twist villain. And I definitely agree. He's also one of my favorites and is an example of how to do that kind of plotline right.
I’d include mayor bellwether because she got a lot of stuff done
As for the cliché of "being let down by your heroes", if you want to do that WITHOUT defaulting to said hero turning out to be a villain, two movies I'd recommend for this are 'Robots' and 'Surf's Up'.
Both great films
Also, The Incredibles (2004). In that film, the hero lets his fan down for their own safety, and said fan becomes a super-villain whose actions (luring a bunch of superheroes to their deaths with the Omnidroid, successfully shooting down a plane in hopes of killing Mr. Incredible's family, and use the aforementioned Omnidroid to attack random citizens so he can swoop in and "save the day") are completely disproportionate to his motivation.
Two super underrated films
Surfs up was an incredible movie.
Makes sense for Robots because Rodney was shocked of how Bigweld just gave up and let Ratchet take over the company.
With King Candy/Turbo being well-executed and a virtual character, does that make him a .exe?
Possibly!
Tbh I never think about that or realised that.
…Oh crud. You’re right
Like Sonic.EXE?
@@SonicSmith134 bruh no lol
My favorite twist villain is a cute little bunny singing a musical number about being on top of the woods!
This guy gets it.
@Mekhi Fox Loud It's as the wolf and squirrel once said, NEVER TRUST A BUNNY
I agree, mostly because I grew up with that movie
@Mekhi Fox Loud I agree with that too
Hood winked
He ranked Hans over Ernesto De La Cruz? Hans was nowhere near as great a twist villain, especially since his reveal was such an afterthought!
Hey, to be fair…
THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE
Why did he even rank Hans at all? There's no real hints than Hans was a villain at all. No teases, no foreshadowing. It was a complete 180 by a character with conflicting motivations, and no character arc. He was one of Disney's biggest Twist villain bombs next to Professor Callahan from Big Hero 6.
He was willing to kill, much more than cruz would even do
@@soulreaver6546 Well technically Cruz tried to leave Miguel trapped in the land of the dead, which would have killed Miguel.
But that's beside the point. Cruz had an effective Twist, with hints about the twist beforehand. Coco built up its twist villain.
Frozen did not. There was nothing suggesting Hans was a villain all along. It's like they completely switched him out with a different character with confusing motivations.
@@DeanRocks-kr7wv uuuuuuuuuuuugghhh
Thank you for the friendly reminder that Perfect Blue exists.
Kon is a treasure we lost way too soon
@@ForrestFox626 I recently found an anthology of his short manga, it became available in my country this year. It's kinda funny how he seemed to experience a baseball phase ;)
But for me, one of the most important parts of this anthology is the interview with one of the people who worked so often with Satoshi Kon - Susumu Hirasawa.
It's so sad when he talks about Kon's final weeks...
@@FaultyGear9 Aw
Oh yeah
Since Mr. Waternoose made the number two spot, i’d like to take this opportunity to say happy 20th anniversary, “Monsters, Inc.”
In my opinion, Ernesto's case is a bit special. I think he barely does anything else as a villain because, at the point we met him, he literally has no reason to do bad. He isn't interested in, idk, poisoning the water of the living or taking over the town, he just wanted fame and glory and, unlike, let's say Hans, he already had it.
He just wanted to keep his reputation intact, it seems fair to me he doesn't do much after the twist is revealed, just the needed to keep what he wanted to keep.
He is the villain of his story, but he's not a very bad and maleficent villain with a mustache who wants to do bad just for the sake of it, he just has the mustache but not the intentions
Exactly. What makes Ernesto stand out compared to other twist villains is that, in a way, he has succeeded in his goal. He has already poisoned Héctor and became famous for his partner’s music, so he doesn’t really have to do much other than silence those who know the truth.
I also love the irony in his defeat. He’s still famous, but not in a way that shows adoration. He still has what he wished for, but since he treated Héctor, Miguel, and their family with hostility, the people now do the same.
@@hashtagcritical8688 And having a fate crueler than the Final Death, being denied access to the marigold bridge and also being denied the Final Death since like you said, he’s famous for killing Hector and stealing his songs.
Oh, sure... if you ignore the fact he tried to kill a child (a child he'd believed was his own grandson mere hours beforehand, I might add,) to retain his fame post-mortem, and did everything he could to ensure a man he murdered was silenced, discredited and forgotten (even in the afterlife.) A murder/cover up which, btw, resulted in the victim's beloved wife - and generations of his family after - shunning him and everything he stood for, until La Cruiz's actions were exposed to the public years later.
TL:DR - He took everything from a man he was suppose to be good friends with - including Hector's life, love, family and even nearly succeeded in ending the very memory of his existence. All for his own petty self-interest, and desire for fame no less. That's pretty bad, if you ask me.
“It’s yours”, that was a great one liners that also made waternoose a great twist villain. Sure Ernesto and stinky pete had those, but there were hints at their true nature while waternoose intention were well hidden along with his role in the factory.
Mr. Waternoose: “Sullivan. Unfortunately I’m going to have to leave you and your friend in the Himalayas to die.”
Sully: “But... but, sir!”
Mr. Waternoose: “It’s nothing personal. It’s just business. Undercover business!”
Like if you understand which Animated film I’m referencing with this dialogue since it’s nearly similar to the one in the actual film I’m referencing.
@@hunterolaughlin yup, you’re right, he and lord business from the lego movie are similar, except business was already evil from the beginning. But still, that dialogue works for waternoose.
32:55 "ME!!!! Because I'm putting Lady X from 'Foodfight' in the Number 1 spot!!! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAA!!!!"
I deeply appreciate the commentary on Hans. Seriously, even without that book they made to further detail his motives, he's a very subtle kind of villain. Heck, he all but sings his motivations in Love is an Open Door. Being the youngest of his very long line of brothers, his inheritance would be next to nothing, so such a needy princess like Anna offered a chance at everything he could ever want. He'd just have to play the nice guy like he had been while brooding in the shadows. There are other villains I like better, but I think the hate he gets is mostly from the oversaturation Frozen got when it first came out.
Villains like Hans are actually very good at teaching younger viewers to exercise more caution with who they trust. Because even seemingly nice, charming people might be using a facade to hide their true intentions.
No, people hate Hans for numerous reasons, one of which is that he's, to put this bluntly, a shitty twist villain.
For one the twist happens so late in the film that any development of his character and motivations is nonexistent. Secondly the more you think about it, he's a complete dumbass.
He went through the effort to fake his relationship with Anna to get the throne of Arendelle, only to *reveal his whole scheme to her face* and then proceeds to leave her alone *BEFORE* she died. If anyone came across her like a maid or if she managed to write a note detailing what he did, his plans would have fallen apart. Give Ernesto some credit here, he made sure that Hector died before stealing his songs and done so in a way where Hector wouldn't have known that he was responsible.
What Hans did was completely unnecessary and outright counterintuitive to his goals. He could've easily continued feigning innocence, if his kissing Anna didn't work, he could've easily rationalized it that even if they loved each other, that they simply didn't know each other long enough for it to truly count as true love.
If he did this then he could've gotten Anna to publicly declare him king of Arendelle before she dies, since him just telling others that she did with no proof wouldn't fly and further investigation would've gotten him caught. This way once Anna died, he could easily claim that Elsa murdered her and gotten her executed, thus fulfilling his goals in a way he could get away with.
Honestly, I think Ernesto deserves to be placed higher than Hans since his actual character was more developed, he feigned innocence for as long as possible, which shows more cunning and he was an effective villain who didn't clutch onto the idiot ball like a moron. He was frankly the twist villain that Hans should have been.
My only problem with Hans is the Rowboat scene when he fell in water and came out with a nice smile when he wax alone I know it was to trick the audiance but it would been better if we saw from another angel or if they changed the scene after he fell in the water,he was not bad asa villian but it was stupid of him to ignore the kiss and just go for kill the sisters by letting one die slowly and the other to kill with his sword. For me it would been better if they did the kiss and nothing happen and Anna realise that Hans does not truly loves her but he does not know it himself because his true love is to rule the county, so with a failed kiss he tells Anna it looks like the only way to get the summer back is to kill Elsa beacuse that is what think would work, sure Anna would tried to stop him but because she was weak she would fail and before Hans lock Anna in the room he would told he is sorry and he does love her. Rest of the movie goes how it did, but the Anna punching Hans would be more satisfied instead. But this is just my reason.
@@ryancarson6962 some might disagree with me but I would have replaced Hans with assistant mayor bellwether from zootopia here’s why 1 there was a small hint a little after judys press conference when she told Judy you did perfect 2 her plan almost worked with Hans he did nothing as a villain but with bellwether everything happened because of bellwether she planned everything almost perfectly if Judy didn’t find about the night howler flowers bellwether would have won she was literally a wolf in sheep’s clothing
In said book, it details Hans' brutal childhood where he suffered abuse from his 12 older brothers except for one due to being the youngest and his father who despises weakness, sees his eldest sons bullying Hans as a sign of their strength, to the point of refusing to acknowledge Hans' presence during family gatherings. The cruel treatment and the king's favoritism towards his brothers were the main factors for Hans' sociopathic behavior in the film
Rumi being the villain in Perfect Blue (the fact it was someone Mima loves, trusted, relied on, and the fact she is a woman) makes her eerily similar to Yolanda Saldivar, the woman who murdered Tejano singer, Selina Quintanilla.
You know whats ironic: both movies were released the same year
@@AngelicaRamirez-ti6wi that is eerie.
That is depressing and creepy
@@ForrestFox626 the movie draws many parallels to many famous stalking cases, like Jodie Foster, Bjork, Rebecca Schaefer, Selena, and so on.
@@KaeMcSpadden yeah
And Christina Grimmie .
I think what I love about Ernesto De La Cruz's twist is that there were subtle hints about him. The most prominent one is that when he takes the marigold petal, it doesn't glow like it did with Mama Imelda.
To be fair, the staff on Coco have revealed that it doesn’t have to be biological family member to give a blessing. Friends that are loved like a family member can give their blessing as well, it’s just that the feelings for the loved one must be genuine. And considering Ernesto just saw Miguel as a disposable vehicle to keep his murder a secret, the petal didn’t glow.
@@hunterolaughlin hmmm. Good point.🤔
Honestly, I may not care for the songs and especially Olaf, but Frozen did have a good story and I did appreciate the subversion with Hans.
First time I hear heard the songs were issue for some. Olaf is both loved or hated. And Hans had gotten critique too but I really like him as a character and to fit the movie and the brand as a twist.
If only it had made sense.
Like, you don't get a kingdom just because the queen and princess dies..that isn't how kingdoms work...if he had married either Elsa or Anna...but him just being told verbally by the now dead princess that he was in charge would't mean he would become the king...
There is also the fact he literally saved Elsa's life..why? If he was planning on killing her anyway? Did he expect getting her remove the winter would win over the people? why not just let her die then he was the one that went on the expedition so he would have gotten the honour anyway..
So many things that just don't make sense.
@@bibbobella Disney originally planned Elsa to be the villain and Let it go has going to be a villain Song, but because the writers loved the song they changed Elsa into a tragic hero and the story was rewritten allover again, but that caused new problems. The reason why Elsa's ice powers are not explained is because the writers thought it be too overcomplicated for the kids to understand. If that's the case then how is changing Elsa from a villain to a hero a good idea again, because so far the story is a mess????
Turbo isn't really part of the "twist villain formula", that would imply that the movie has no villain for most of its runtime and then just has someone be the bad guy at random with little to no foreshadowing.
The twist, as mentioned, isn't that King Candy is the villain, but it's also not _just_ that he's Turbo. It's that a character who seems like he might be redeemable or have good intentions - a quirky little Mad Hatter type of guy - is actually diabolical in the extreme, and petty enough that he did this just because two players turned away from his game for a few minutes once. In an earlier draft of the movie KC and Turbo _were_ separate characters with KC getting redeemed, so the idea was definitely intentional (this comes from an interview with the creators on the Blu-ray IIRC, and it's a shame that people pay so much attention to trailers/marketing/cameos but don't bother to watch stuff that comes directly from the crew).
The audience is encouraged to give King Candy the benefit of the doubt even with the suspicions mounting - maybe he just doesn't want Vanellope to get hurt? - but then we learn that he's so unhinged that he's a danger to everyone and cares about no one but himself. He apparently didn't even care about making the other 2 Turbo Time racers homeless (or indirectly killing them) back during the RoadBlasters incident either.
I feel like Hal, from Megamind, should have at least got an honorable mention.
Exactly at least we do know his motivations.
@@fuckalldisneyremakesorigin5560 He's a unique kind of twist villain. With Ernesto, we see him as a charismatic mentor. We know Hal is kind of a cringe simp, but then he turns full on nihilistic incel mode after he gets his powers. It's refreshing how the transition of our perception of him isn't going from good to bad, it's going from bad to outright disturbing.
I'm so glad King Candy/Turbo is so high in most Villain twist lists, his reveal from the foreshadowing to the build up is absolutely incredible. The writing in Wreck-It Ralph is so good that even if you THINK you know who the villain is, it does a great job of making you DOUBT.
When KC tells Ralph the reason for 'doing what he's doing' (e.i. not letting vanollepe race and thus going through 'evil actions' to do so), it convinces not only Ralph but the audience because everything he says is TRUE. The game COULD get unplugged and Vanollepe COULD die.
And yet on top of that, his reveal as Turbo was brilliant as almost no one saw coming, Ralph and Felix's reactions mirror the audience, everything begins to make sense, and not only does KC/Turbo have to die THREE TIMES (game unplugged, Cybug, Cola Mountain) to finally be defeated, his Cybug design and battle scene is GENUIELY terrifying. The animation and voice work from Alan Tudyk is perfectly utilized to make KC/Turbo such a great and dangerous villain.
You are. I'm changing the plan.
Darth Vader: *Don't make me alter it any further.*
I feel like el macho was predictable but that’s just me. I do love that he returns as a literal dad bod villain.
predictable? he literally gets recognized straight away and gru says "if anyone has the serum, it's him"
it's not really a twist villain, it's really that the movie suggests there could be a twist villain that isn't this obvious "Evil guy" but then reveals that illumination is just not that smart
I hate el macho thanks to scaring me with what he did to the minions I know it’s a cartoon but I had to close my eyes watching the video until #9 that’s how much I was traumatized
@@healingalternatives3254 lmfao kid actually got scared by grape-flavored minions
Yeah it’s pathetic >.
@@waffler-yz3gw I mean, I kinda get it.
*M Night Shamaylayn voice* What a twist!
THAT WAS HIS MISTAKE!!!
That movie that shall not be named and doesn't exist in Ba Sing Se was M. Night's mistake!
I dreamed about Foodfight again last night. I’ve dreamed about Foodfight costumes, Foodfight winning awards but last night I dreamed that Foodfight was even more messy by mixing the unfinished CGI with pencil ✏️ tests and other hand-drawn ✍️ animation!
FoodFight fails at anything and everything...except maybe the soundtrack.
Dude, its been a while since you did a "Top 10 Something" list.
Glad you're back to doing these again!!
I'd like to see a "Top 10 OTHER Disney Villain Songs" list
@@danielhawkins2402 Same
Love your PFP!
I miss watching Hong Kong Fooey on the tv.
@@CreativeCreatorCreates The show's still out on DVD
@@thefantasticretroreviewer3941 I will check it out, thank you :)
Disney really needs a new track record.
Can you make a list for the most shocking plot twists in animated movies? Here's a good one:
*Mighty Eagle & Zeta - The Angry Birds Movie 2.* "When the Birds and Pigs arrive on Eagle Island, the Mighty Eagle backs out and reveals to them that Zeta is a woman scorned and was his ex-fiance. As if that wasn't unexpected enough, when Mighty Eagle arrives to surrender, Zeta, more furious than ever upon seeing him again after all those years, angrily reveals to him (real name Ethan) that Debbie, who up until that moment seemed to be just another one of her minions, is _their daughter._
Not even Disney could come up with a twist that clever.
How is that clever? Or are you joking?
I’m not sure I would say clever, but it’s certainly…different.
Waternoose was the twist villain that made twist villains a thing in the first place and I think he is the best one
Another sign of Prince Hans’ villainy can be found in the song, “love is an open door“, with his lyric, “I’ve been searching my whole life to find my own place.”
I guess Lasombra from "Hey Arnold! The Jungle Movie" (2017) counts as the best twist villain in my opinion!
First of all, I haven’t seen that movie, (yet), so I don’t know exactly what you’re talking about. Secondly, wasn’t that a made for TV movie? All the movies on this list were theatrically released.
You forgot the Tortoise from Rango, and Lotso from Toy Story 3.
yea
@@alexaforgionedisneygirl13423 R.I.P Ned Beatty
Fun fact: the two are voiced by the same person
One of the big surprise twists for me is this top 10 list didn't have an honourable mention.
If it did, that honour would've gone to Judge Doom from Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
Yeah, I think it was clear from the start that Judge Doom was the villain. I say the real twist was that he was the man (or in this case toon) who killed Eddie’s brother.
The villain from rango was a good twist villain
Rumi from perfect blue was hands down the greatest twist villain in a animated movie. When l saw the movie the first time, I was honestly confused at first. But after watching it again and looking at the characters behavior and actions, it all made so much sense. It’s one of those movies where you need to watch it more than once to look for clues to understand the reveal.
Noted, I only watched it once and immediately made me think "and I thought Christopher Nolab's movies were confusing."
Rumi is terrifying
@@erichfiedler1481 Satoshi Kon Is A Genius Of Making Audience Think So Hard
I think my favorite anime scene in general is that chase scene in the end, especially the part where she seems to be daintily skipping with a serene expression but is actually running at a full maniacal sprint in the mirror.
It’s one of those movies where you notice new things the more you rewatch it, like how unhealthy Rumi’s behavior is.
Nobody expects the TH-cam Algorithm Inquisition!
DUN, DUN, DDDUUUUUUNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!
The Other Mother isn’t really a twist villain, if you’ve read the book by Neil Gaiman of course and she already acts pretty creepy throughout she scenes
Although he wasn't on the list, my favorite twist villan will always be Syndrome.
I don't think he makes the list because he was revealed a bit before the second half official started
I don’t really consider Syndrome a twist villain only because him being a villain isn’t really meant as a twist. Instead, it’s due to the fact that Incrediboy/Buddy *became* a villain as a result of Mr. Incredible’s actions. The twist doesn’t really hinge on him being a villain, but the fact that even a superhero’s idol can end up becoming their greatest nemesis.
To quote Prince Hans’ supervising animator, Lino DiSalvo from the book, the Art of Frozen, “He's a chameleon who adapts to any environment to make the other characters comfortable.”
I'd definitely count The Bedlam as a twist villain.
There are two types of twist villain: the "Oh my gosh, the villain wasn't who I thought they were" type of villain, and the "Oh my gosh, the villain wasn't *WHAT* I thought they were" type. You know The Bedlam is the villain, but you don't learn what KIND of villain she really is until she reveals herself. I actually consider that the best kind of twist.
It's "beldam"
Not "bedlam"
I feel like Rex Dangervest from Lego Movie 2 should have had a spot on this list
Isn’t he technically just an alternate future version of Emmet?
@@arbytv5139 Yes but he is still the villain in Lego Movie 2 and the fact he’s the future version of Emmet makes it a better twist because I bet NO ONE would have expected EMMET to be the villain in the 2nd movie. Honestly before it was even revealed that Rex was Emmet I didn’t really expect him though looking back at it , it was kind of obvious. However I never would have guessed that he was actually Emmet. Yes I did notice that they did look kind of similar but honestly when first I thought he was going to be revealed as Emmet’s brother actually.
I think I was spoiled to Rex being the villain sometime before I got to watch The Lego Movie 2, but the reveal of his identity was still able to shock me! And here I am, thinking that he was just going to be a huge joke about Chris Pratt’s career!
He was kind of predictable to be the villian but the twist with him being Emmet from the future was a good twist since no one thought that time travel would be involved.
32:48 Okay I wasn’t expecting that to happen in this Top 10 at all
That was impressive not gonna lie
Same lol
Like, Coraline didn’t, but I’m pretty sure everyone knew Beldam was evil before she transformed.
That was a no-brainer!
I would put Ernesto above Hans, but otherwise, this list is 100% agreed, Ruri still makes my jaw drop
Other animated twist villains reactions to not being included on the list:
Bellweather: “Oh, come on! I’m way better than that Hans guy! At least my plan made much more sense than his!”
Boingo: “I thought AniMat would put me on this list considering he stated my first film where I’m the main villain, as well as the twist villain, is one of his favorites!”
Yokai/Callaghan: “Leaving me off his list. That was his mistake!”
Lotso Huggin’ Bear: “I can’t believe I’ve been replaced again! This time with that prospector toy from that sheriff’s toy line. Although I’m more evil than he is! I almost succeeded in killing the sheriff and his friends before their alien friends rescued them from that incinerator whereas that Prospector toy got defeated before he could do any harm to that Sheriff! What makes him better than me?!?”
Doris: (Eye glows red with anger due to AniMat leaving her off of the list)
Oh no you mentioned the funny mistake line
@@maxlolbits2182 Kind of had to.
Evelon Deavor: so much for not being not as good as Syndrome
Commander Lyle Tiberius Rourke: guess that’s because my foreshadowing is TOO obvious
Titan: leaving me off the list made a fool out of me!
Syndrome (angry): NOO!!
Clayton: don’t make me catch one of the villains in order to be in this list
The thing with these twist villains is that: you never see it coming
Sometimes
Yes I know that!
Just like the Spanish Inquisition
@@possums154 How else do you explain why he used that clip at the very start?
@@MovieFan1912 yea I was referencing that lol
This list is perfect except for Hans. He’s one of my favorite Disney characters/villains but everything surrounding how the plot twist is written and his characterization following that is so corny and doesn’t work when simply cutting him down to ranking him by the plot twist. I prefer how Zootopia’s twist works in how the dialogue is written compared to Frozen’s, but they both suffer from the same writing issues
I think what was most fitting for a list of twist villains was bringing in a relatively obscure villain for that spot.
Twist Villain! It was Animatt the whole time who puppeteered the whole thing!
I'm still glad that trend Is over otherwise It'd get tiresome real quick and easily who to spot from the very beginning!
Timestamps for all the numbers in case there is any film y'all haven't seen yet and want to skip through ASAP
Intro 0:00
#10 2:15
#9 5:47
#8 9:19
#7 12:55
#6 15:59
#5 19:37
#4 23:02
#3 25:52
#2 29:33
#1 32:43
Thank you
I like #4.
Yes! I'm glad King Candy/Turbo is on No. 4! King Candy is my favorite Disney twist villain
An honorable mention for me, although Animat will disagree with this after seeing his Seal Of Approval snubbed review of the film, it is the Werecats from Scooby Doo on Zombie Island.
We do learn more of Hans backstory in the novel revealing that he had been bullied his brothers and while his father did live him, he had an "Only the strong shall survive" mentality and saw Hans as the weaker son hense being the thirteenth in line. Then Hans decided to take over another Kingdom and it's implied that he wants to kill his brothers and father once he takes over.
Prowlers' teme music is amazing. It's just intimidating and really shows off how his targets just feel like prey to a predator
This is one of his best top 10 videos. I’d probably consider it as a sequel to the top 10 other Disney villains
I actually knew Prowler was Aaron because I was familiar with the comics.
For me it was the spiderman cartoons
Turbo's my favorite out of the bunch...
BUT DAMN, I ALWAYS LOVE A TWIST VILLAIN REVEAL.
I'll tell you this, I wasn't expecting Hans in the list. Lol
I'm lowkey upset Hans was in this list at all, I personally think he was a really bad twist villain tbh
Yeah people forget that a good twist villain is about subtle foreshadowing, not straight-up having the villain act perfectly normally and then suddenly being bad with no clues. It's supposed to surprise you the first time you see it, but provide re-watch value when you go back and notice the hints.
Turbo is a great example of this foreshadowing where you just think King Candy is quirky at first, then realize he's nervously covering up what he's done. The fact that he's the _villain_ isn't a secret (which is there from the beginning), the secret is the fact that he's genuinely merciless and a malicious invader rather than being a funny clown. Whereas Hans just acts like a regular guy and then is suddenly the villain at the last minute.
@@fishdude2954 you make sense. We really need great twist villains in movies or shows. Like that sheep lady from zootopia. That's really all I got.
@@fishdude2954 Disney originally planned Elsa to be the villain and Let it go has going to be a villain Song, but because the writers loved the song they changed Elsa into a tragic hero and the story was rewritten allover again, but that caused new problems. The reason why Elsa's ice powers are not explained is because the writers thought it be too overcomplicated for the kids to understand. If that's the case then how is changing Elsa from a villain to a hero a good idea again, because so far the story is a mess????
32:10 and in Mr Waternoose's case he is literally and figuratively a monster
Surprise villains are quickly becoming a cliche -_-
It depends on the execution really.
I was kinda expecting Lots-o-Huggin' Bear to be number one, honestly. He's one of Pixar's best twist villains, next to Stinky Pete, Waternoose, Charles Muntz and Ernesto De La Cruz.
I agree with you, Lots-o-Huggin' Bear should have been in this list, not Hans.
@@madsceptictrooper6803 Or at the very least a tie between him and Waternoose. Mat has his preferences but honestly Hans was a very weak twist villain. He's more like a mentally abusive boyfriend than anything else. Lotso, on the other hand, is a great twist villain not only because he's abusive for the sake of it but his actions are caused by a traumatic dark past that gave him a " if I can't be happy, no one else can" mindset. Though you do sympathize with him for a while, anything redeemable about him is completely thrown out the window when his fear of being abandoned consumed him and his cruelty is amplified. Which makes you wonder: given his backstory, did he really loved Daisy or just the attention she gave him?
@@williehampton3855 Not only that, but gives the biggest ‘eff you of the century to the toys where even after saving him, when it comes time to save them in return, he instead ditches them and leaves them for dead. Which just proves how selfish and heartless he is, where he’ll still only look out for himself even to those who’ve shown kindness to him. And they definitely would’ve been destroyed in the incinerator if the Aliens hadn’t come in the nick of time.
@@amirgarcia547 Exactly. That moment where they were inches away from being burned alive and about to accept their fate just made the scene both intensely heartbreaking and satisfying when they were saved at the last minute by the claw. So I'm glad Lotso didn't returned the favor to save them because it wasn't meant for him to. The aliens were the real heroes in that scene.
@ MadscepticTrooper
Disagree, Lordi was just another version of Pete the prospector. But more predictable. Even if he was more sociopathic and dangerous, he was also less complex and sympathetic. Hans was very unique and charismatic and it made some perfect thematic sense to have him as the villain.
Why wasn't the mayor from Rango in this?🦎
Turbo was Turbo Tastic as a twist villain
Big macs gone turbo
I thought for a moment you meant that snail
Unlike Turbo the movie, the movie with the least Turbo Tastic twist villain of all time
@@fuwu9904 yep you've gone turbo
@@hollowvolocaloid6062 wha?
It still makes me laugh that the whole reason Randel from Monsters Inc squints ISN'T because he's evil and conniving... but because Mike told him to not wear his glasses.
I have never thought about it comparing both "Spider-Man: Into The Spider-Versus" and "Batman: Mask Of The Phantasm" since both are the greatest Superheroes Animated Movie of all time.
I appreciate having Turbo up high on the list.
You can say what you will on the twist itself, but he still stayed a fun and entertaining character afterwards, just with a more dark and maniacal undertone. It gives him consistency, unlike some other twist villains who just do complete 180s.
I will admit that Coraline did give me nightmares when I was younger. I now appreciate it for the work of art that it is
I've always said Hans would have made a much better sympathetic villain. If Hans had actually kissed Anna and it DIDN'T WORK, prompting Hans to try to convince Anna to have Elsa killed in order to save Arrendelle. This would have been a huge test for Anna, is her sister more important to her than the safety of the Kingdom? But then Anna slowly realizes that Hans wants to rule Arrendelle more than he actually loves her, forcing Hans to make the decision to turn against Anna, "for the good of Arrendelle."
This would have made a much more powerful impact I think.
Exactly.
Animat: Before there was any Disney or Pixar film that had a twist villain there was Toy Story 2
Toy Story 2: is a Pixar film
Evelyn from Incredibles 2 and Turbo from Wreck-It Ralph are two of my favourites
I like Evelyn however I think Syndrome was done much better
10) how macho
9) FORGET YOU Ernesto
8) I was pretty surprised that he became a Skoll Heartless in KH3
7) no wonder they call him Stinky Pete
6) very twisted for Marvel and DC
5) based on the guy who took Oswald from Walt. Rip Christopher Plummer
4) turbotastic
3) the scariest animated monster in the history of stop motion
2) I’m glad that my employer at Target aren’t like waternoose
1) never seen this Japanese animated movie before
Ironically, as much as we want to forget Ernesto, he’s still going to be remembered in the film as the fraud who stole Hector’s songs and murdered him to get fame for those aforementioned songs and by Pixar fans as one of the best Pixar animated villains from the 2010 decade.
@@hunterolaughlin I was only quoting his grave at the end of the movie
@@JoshuaOrro-MustangPrinceOR-YTB I know. I’m just stating the irony of people in the film wanting to forget Ernesto when they’re still gonna remember him for murdering Hector and stealing his songs.
I'm not gonna lie, Hans from Frozen is probably the worst plot twist villian I've ever seen in an animated film. It just didn't make sense to me as to why he was the villian. I felt that the whole concept of Hans being evil was rushed, since the movie was in need of a villian.
Actually, if you go back and pay close attention to certain lyrics and moments in the duet “Love Is An Open Door”, there are a few subtle hints about his plan to take over Arandelle through having a fake romantic relationship with Anna. Lyrics such as “I’ve been searching my whole life for my own place” and this moment: Anna: “It’s crazy”, Hans: “That we finish each other’s...”, Anna: “Sandwiches!”, Hans: “.....That’s what I was gonna say!” If you look closely at Han’s movements when he’s dancing with Anna, he seems to be having a hard time keeping up with her movements, almost like he’s mimicking them. So it isn’t out of nowhere.
Well Elsa was supposed to be the villain and the people behind the film decided to make Hans the twist villain instead at the last minute hence why it felt rushed. Even though I hated Frozen, I honestly would have wanted Elsa to be the villain instead.
@@Kaiju_Queen94 I honestly hate Frozen also. Everytime it's brought up as the greatest Disney film of all time, it just makes me cringe. Anyways, I agree with you Makayla, I feel the movie would've been a lot better if Elsa was the Villain
@@Kaiju_Queen94 *sigh* You people always want Elsa as the villain. Disney already has an ice themed villain with the White Witch from The Chronicles of Narnia that was inspired by the Snow Queen from the original fairytale. So, we have something close to a Snow Queen villain.
I have a better idea for Frozen, how about no villains at all. Elsa and Hans are not villains, instead Elsa’s fears of society seeing her as a monster for her ice powers and hurting her sister are the metaphorical villain of the story. Also, there are already plenty of animated films with no villains such as “The Fox and the Hound”, “Finding Nemo” and “Finding Dory”, “Madagascar”, “The Peanuts Movie”, etc. Even the recent Pixar films don’t have villains such as “Onward” and “Soul”. Also, from looking at the trailers, it looks like “Luca” won’t have any villains. Point is, not every animated film needs a villain and some characters should be left as they are.
@@JoshuaVideoStudios Disney originally planned Elsa to be the villain and Let it go has going to be a villain Song, but because the writers loved the song they changed Elsa into a tragic hero and the story was rewritten allover again, but that caused new problems. The reason why Elsa's ice powers are not explained is because the writers thought it be too overcomplicated for the kids to understand. If that's the case then how is changing Elsa from a villain to a hero a good idea again, because so far the story is a mess????
Titan from mega mind. The title character trained him so much and well to be a hero and it seemed like mega mind was going to get the hero he needed to have his life back. But after he gave legitimate reasons, it's crazy to think the nerd inside got turned into what he became.
I know this is cliche to say but the choice for Number 1, I literally didn't see that coming! 😱
But then again, that's the point 🤷🏾
Originally, Darth Vader was supposed to say "No.... Obi-Wan killed your father". So yeah: Star Wars originally had a twist villain.
Wow who would have known (other than you)
@@claireglover1391 anyone who saw the behind them scenes...lol
Cool animated villains played by the Benjamin brat in years in order.
Despicable me 2 in 2013-el macho
And Coco in 2017-Ernesto del la Cruz
When the top twist villain turns out to be in an R-RATED Animated movie, that's how you know you've made history.
"Animation is for children," they said.
❤💖 To be honest Mat, I don't have an issue with plot twist or plot twist villains if done right, well written or well-executed in animated film, live action film or tv show. The best plot twist animated film villain would be hands down King Candy from King Candy where he started off as a iconic video game but his toxic obsession being racer and winner made him a villain and even overthrowing Vanellope to take over another game. What a villain! Some work, some are good, some are ok, some are pretty bad, forgettable and predictable. Sure can be cliche but if done right. 😃😀😄😁😊 👍🏻 💖❤
10-9.Muy loco!
8.Controversial!
7.Iconic!
6.Tie!
5.O K B O O M E R !
4.Turn to dark side!
3.Stop-motion!
2.See #7!
1.Surprise!
You did such a good job explaining Turbo. He's lowkey my favorite Disney villain.
I just looked this up: apparently El Macho and Ernesto are voiced by the same guy, Benjamin Bratt
I'm so glad you put Waternoose on this list. It was such a brilliant twist.
Really? Hans? He's arguable one of the worst and laziest Disney twists IMO. Considering his villain twist was an afterthought since Elsa was originally going to be the villain instead of him since the people behind Frozen forgot that they needed a villain! 🙄
Actually, the love duet “Love Is An Open Door” provided subtle hints about his evil plan to conqueror Arandelle such as “I’ve been searching my whole life to find my own place” and let’s be honest, was he really going to say “Sandwiches” during: Hans: “It’s crazy.”, Anna: “What?” Hans: “That we finish each other’s...”, Anna: “Sandwiches?”, Hans:”......That’s what I was gonna say!”? Also if you pay close attention to Han’s movements whenever he dances with Anna, they don’t really match up with her movements also as if he’s trying to mimic them.
One thing I love about the Ernesto De La Cruz twist is that I guessed one element (stealing Hector's song), but not the other (he literally killed Hector), so I still got to be surprised.
16:41 Actually Prowler isn't a Twist Villain, Why, Because, he was already Miles' Uncle in the Ultimate Comics Spider-Man, Comics. Yeah, Marvel always does this weird naming convention most often, you see in the Ultimate Comics Spider-Man... Comics, (which is where Into the SpiderVerse is parshally adapted) Miles' Uncle Aaron Davis, is secretly a vigilante supervillain (kind of) known as the Prowler. He isn't a Twist Villain as he was already the Uncle who's secretly evil in the Ultimate Universe, so it's not a Plot Twist, it's more of a Adaptaion method. The same could go to Phantasm (As she was inspired by the DC Character the Reeper and named after Teens Titans character Phantasm) but she kind of counts as a Twist Villain, since she was created soley for Mask of the Phantasm, much like a lot of Batman Characters like Harley Quinn and even the origin story for Mr Freeze which technically counts.
Not everyone who watches these movies read comics.
MegaSoulHero Yet AniMat included Prowler as a Twist Villain. For Phantasm she kind of is a Twist Villain, because she was made soley for Mask of the Phantasm, but for Prowler, he isn't a Twist Villain remotely. In fact, everyone who watches Into the Spider-Verse can disagree with you, as the majority have read the Ultimate Comics Spider-Man Run, aka Miles' First Comic Book Series.
@@ShockwaveFPSStudios But if someone were to watch the movie without having knowledge of the comics, which a lot of people did do, it would be an effective twist for them.
MegaSoulHero Not necessarily. For one, SuperHero Movies don't have any twists as they're usually adapted from pages to the big screen. Sure there are some twists that aren't ripped straight from comics such as Ra's Al Ghoul being Bruce's old mentor that he saved in Batman Begins, but Ra's and Batman had a history together with Batman being the lover of Ra's Daughter Talia, in other media both before and after Batman Begins, so that doesn't count. The only time we see Twist Villains in a SuperHero film is with SuperHero Parodies like Hal from Megamind. And like I said before, the majority of an audience for a SuperHero Movie have read SuperHero Comics before they watched the movie itself, so they know that Supervillains like Prowler, or even Kingpin are Supervillains as they read the comics or watched/played any Marvel Game/Show. Thus, Prowler isn't a Twist Villain.
I actually like Hans as a villian. There are numerous subtle hints that foreshadow Hans' villainy throughout the film before his reveal.
When Hans falls back into water and lifts a boat, he gets a dreamy look on his face, likely thinking about the crown.
Hans' duet with Anna, "Love is an Open Door", holds a few dark meanings on Hans' side of the song. The lines "I've been searching my whole life to find my own place" and "Love is an open door" secretly represent Hans' quest to dominate a kingdom, and doing so through false romance with Anna (in contrast with her actual love toward himself), who is his door to power.
In the same song, Hans doesn't match Anna's movements in some scenes, hinting he's struggling to keep up with her.
When Anna decides to leave to find Elsa, Hans protests that he doesn't want her to get hurt, because he hadn't married into the throne yet. However, when she puts him in charge, his objections vanish, and he seems to perk up.
When Francis is about to kill Elsa, Hans looks up to the chandelier (presumably noticing the previous arrow had failed to hit its target) and points the weapon up, glancing at the ceiling when he shoots.
While Elsa sees Arendelle frozen from her prison cell, Hans sees his reflection, hinting his self-serving nature.
But for me personally speaking, it is not enough. it is not CLOSE.
5:55 - You said Disney “used to” love ❤️ making twist villains 🦹. Does that mean their recent animated films 🎥 like Raya & The Lost Dragon 🐉 don’t have twist villains 🦹♀️? (I haven’t seen recent Disney films)
So I hear, although I haven’t seen Raya or Frozen 2. But it’s gonna take more than two or three movies to convince me that Disney’s moved past their twist villain phase.
Raya doesn’t have a twist villain, Moana kinda does but does a different take on it, and Ralph Breaks the Internet and Frozen 2 don’t have a villain at all.
Nope no twist villain none in any recent film yet
As "The Duke of Artz" this is a Triple great Great GREAT review of the Top 10 Twisted Villians 😉👍👍👍
My three favorite twisted Villains is El Macho, Charles Muntz & Mr. Waternoose :)
Eh I already knew Aaron Davis was the prowler because well I’m a die hard Spider-Man fan and heard about it in the comics but I did find it heartbreaking when it’s revealed and when he’s killed off (I cried my eyes out when they killed him off)
I read the comics and was entirely expecting him to be the Prowler, but I wasn’t expecting them to kill him off the way they did. Definitely a lot more heartbreaking than his death in the comics, where he just dies in a battle between him and Miles, Miles feels guilty because he believes it’s his fault, but then it’s later on revealed not to be the case.
Finally, someone says something good about Hans! When I first watched the movie I was shocked when he was revealed to be the villain. They made him look like a prince Charming, and even "defended Elsa. " But when Anna went in for the kiss that would save her life, he pulls back and says something along the lines of "If only there was someone who loved you. " That line chilled me more than Anna was(pun intended)
Hey Animat, this is for the Q&A, so I think this question is appropriate to put in the comment section of a list of the best twist villains: what makes a good Twist Villian? I’ve put the trope in a few of my stories since I have a soft spot for it, but I’ve thinking about how to do them right. Can you give us some pointers on how to do it right?
My boyfriend and I were talking about this just the other day. We were talking about how Coco and Monster's Inc did so much better than say Frozen, which came out of nowhere and had 0 build up. The point of a twist is to connect the dots and breadcrumbs you were given in a way you didn't expect. With Waternoose, you get hints that something is wrong. While we see him as supportive of Sulley in the beginning, he's melancholic, he's desperate. He says he would do anything to keep his family's company from going under. That coffee scene should be a masterclass on how to set up a twist motive. And along the way, we get more hints that maybe Randal and Fungus weren't alone in this. The build up is subtle but well written enough to where you can pick up on every clue you missed.
I think Hans was a great twist villain in that he was so bad at being a twist villain. Even so, Frozen didn’t need a villain. It could’ve been just focused on Anna and Elsa’s complicated relationship, and Elsa trying to understand her powers better.
I could see were Hans could be good, I feel Hans is a weaker character on the list.
Not to be rude on your list at all, the thing for me about Hans is that his goal doesn’t make the most sense as in the royal families in both fictional & real world countries, if the royal family is dead(i.e. Anna & Elsa) they would find family members related to their parents & themselves to become their successors.
Like how King Edward VIII abdicated the throne to marry Wallis Simpson & his younger brother George VI & as he had no sons, his daughter Elizabeth later took it.
So they would’ve kept looking for blood relatives before Hans could ever be King of Arendelle.
Correct me if I may have gotten some of this information incorrect, it’s just an issue I have with his goal in the film, & like you said how Anna later would get together with Kristoff & kinda hurts the moral of “Love at first sight isn’t the best, & you should get to know more about who they are before getting engaged”.
Again, that is just how I feel about it & everyone has the right to feel different without getting into a heated & toxic debate.
Keep it up with these villain lists, we have Scariest villains & now Twist Villains, I’m now curious if we’ll see a list of “Wasted Potential villains”. or “Supernatural Villains”.🧐
I totally agree with your number 1, really trust your taste when it comes to animation.
So Perfect Blue topped the list...respect
El Macho from Despicable Me 2 feels like the best version of Bane in a Batman movie that we never got.
For the Anna hooking up with Kristoph, the movie already made it clear that they do love each other and they actually got to know each other pretty well throughout their journey. So combine that with the fact that Kristoph played a key role in saving her life, and it makes sense that she was willing to hook up with him
Also they didn’t immediately jump into marriage
One of my favorite twist villains has to be Titan from Megamind. Or Tighten, as he apparently mishears. Hal Stewart, despite his name being an homage to the most iconic Green Lanterns, was a terrible choice to make into a superhero, but Megamind missed the thrill of the challenge so much that he wanted to make a new Metroman. Metroman himself wasn't a great superhero either, neglecting Metrocity to let him cause his mischief, but Snotty Kid was the Homelander through and through. Ok, it's not as gory, but using a serum to turn a sociopath into a metahuman does ring parallels to The Boys. One of my favorite aspects about him being a twist villain is how Hal doesn't start off with any hidden malicious intent. We do see how violent and awkward he is soon after he gets his powers, but then he causes danger for Roxanne thinking she will love him for it and gets absolutely pissed when she rejects him for Megam-I-I mean "Bernard." And this causes him to go from bad to worse, like an abusive loser do. He abuses his powers, threatens to kill his opponent, and subjugates Metrocity to his chaotic rule. Needless to say he doesn't subscribe to the whole "With Great Power Comes Great Responsibility" ideal and instead goes with "Great Power, Great Opportunity." He doesn't even get thrill out of the superhero dynamic like Megamind did. Unlike Ernesto, he's not a fraud; he wears his cruelty on his shoulders in place of a cape after he can't get a date. It fits right in with the host of twists in the whole movie; The Lex Luthor wanting to do the right thing deep down, the Superman wanting to abandon his responsibility to pursue his passions, the Louis Lane NOT wanting to be with the Superman, and the Superboy wanting to be... well, Superboy Prime. He's bad, but the degree of how bad was surprisingly disturbing. So disturbing that even the guy who actually fought a superhero knew more about being a superhero than the guy he turned into a s... you get the idea.
I would honestly compare Megamind to Brainiac than Lex Luthor since I feel like Megamind has more in common and inspirations with the latter villain than Lex Luthor.
When is the animation lookback on the muppets gonna happen
I’m so excited to see his take on the history of the muppets and Jim Henson
These things take time
@@ForrestFox626 “But we don’t have time. The rose has already begun to wilt!”
😂 Sorry. I couldn’t help make that reference when I saw your comment.