Why are the Diamondbacks Threatening to Leave Phoenix? | Foul Territory
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ก.พ. 2024
- Why is the owner of the NL Champion Diamondacks making veiled threats to leave the city of Phoenix if public money isn't allocated into the team?
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Taxes shouldn’t pay for millionaires and billionaires to play a game. It should be illegal.
Better than sending 60 billion every 3 months to Ukraine
Ok, u Pro Russian Putin boy toy @@tonyc8752
@@tonyc8752 All that money? Not sure I can name one Ukrainian baseball player.
Getting back to baseball the truth is that we live in a country of 50 different states who are allowed to spend their state tax dollars on whatever they like. That was the entire purpose of the US being the United *States* of America. Otherwise the country would have just been called America and run entirely by the federal government. So tax dollars funding a stadium certainly can become illegal in a state but not across the entire country.
The fact is that there are many states and cities that don't have a major league baseball team and want one. Those areas are willing to pay for a stadium to get those teams. So MLB teams obviously want their players and fans to enjoy the best stadiums and developments possible. Developments also bring in more revenue to the team like The Battery did in Atlanta and now the Braves are able to spend a lot more money than they ever have which also helps the players.
MLB is doing nothing different than the players and MLBPA do. They shop around for the best deal. When Boras shops around his players to get the highest offer everyone says "That's what he's supposed to do. No one forced Washington to pay X player that much even if it does end up being a bad contract." But when MLB owners do the exact same thing it's somehow terrible? If a great player leaves his team for more money everyone bashes the owner for not paying enough. When an MLB team leaves a city for more money and a nicer facility that's somehow the owner's fault too? The owners are using the exact same tactics the players do but it's *great* when the players do it but *evil* when the owners do it? Las Vegas, Nashville, Portland, Salt Lake City and Charlotte all desperately want MLB teams. You gotta compete with those cities if you want to keep your team just like teams have to compete with other teams if they want to keep their players. There's nothing wrong with that. It's called the free market and people have been supporting the players doing it for decades. It goes both ways though. You can't love it when the players benefit from the free market but hate it when owners do. Anyone who feels that way is just a biased hack who hates owners no matter what. All MLB wants is for their teams to play in the best stadium they can get. Many cities are willing to help them so that. If you're city is not then it's just like when a team gets outbid for their own player.
@752 Supporting our allies is more important than building sports stadiums.
12:53 The way he says "baseball the way it should be covered" is funny af. He says like someone woke him up and told him to read it 😆
The fundamental issue is the diamondacks dont own the ballpark, they are a tenant. Maricopa County owns the stadium, hence why they are asking their "landlord" to make the repairs....why is this so contreversial.
There has been 6-7 teams recently threaten their communities for public funding or they’ll relocate. If all of these teams keep threatening there’s nowhere they can move to. These are just empty threats.
But too many local politicians are cowards. They don't want to be seen as person who let their team leave.
You know that, and I know that, but there are gullible, emotionally attached people who believe that malarkey...
1) This quote was taken out of context and clarified by Derrick Hall the following day. They are potentially looking outside of the City of Phoenix proper, not the State of Arizona.
2) The Dbacks don't own Chase Field, the local government does. Imagine if your landlord simply won't repair your roof, you would look to move too.
3) These negotiations have been ongoing for years, yet, the government is sitting on their hands.
Lmao yea they just read a headline and are posting for clicks. Think the Diamondbacks are asking for around 150-200 Mill in public funding.
Compared to what all the other teams are getting in public funding even this year this is nothing for a stadium built in 1996, its not like they are asking for a new stadium.
The government is hostile to sports teams ...... The NFL team played in the college stadium for yrs, NHL team going through the same thing, MLB team been dealing with the Government not wanting to maintain the building, etc...
Let's not forget, the county has been on the hook for maintenance for years now and how chose not to do their obligation.
You are talking about an incredibly stupid public, who have been brainwashed into hating sports owners and worshipping corrupt politicians.
Nah, I remember Kendrick distinctly saying, "We are taking calls". He didn't specify only from Arizona. They only offered that "clarification" once the damage control started. Kendrick started a fire when everybody figured out instantly that his comments were directed at Utah...
Oh come on man… that field is USELESS to anyone besides the dbacks… leasing it is the best case scenario for a club. He was making direct threats to fans and that’s total bs
And the MLB doesn’t want new owners coming in and throwing money around. They don’t want a new owner to take over the A’s and build their own stadium on their own money. Then it’ll impact the other owners asking for funds. Cities will say, pay for your own stadium like this owner did.
And these markets, they want their own team. Vegas would be behind a baseball team if it was their own. It’s why they love the Golden Knights and don’t care about the Raiders.
Watch us end up with the Phoenix As and the Las Vegas Diamondbacks
DBacks ownership does not own the stadium, Scott. The county does. Research is important.
Let’s not forget. Fisher initially said the ballpark in Oakland was going to be 100% privately funded
it's gross to publicly say something like this to the public. when will this shit stop?
It's always gonna be hard to sell out that stadium!
Even if people want to go and see a game it's usually not worth it because of the traffic and it's over 110° every day and nobody wants to deal with the heat. If you can magically be transported into the stadium that's one thing but you're pretty much feeling like death by the time you get in there🥵
If they took responsibility for renovations at any point in the last 25 years, it wouldn't need $500 million to fix. Tigers, Giants, Astros all have stadiums built around the same time in great shape. If you're too lazy and cheap to keep your stadium in good shape, it's your own fault it's falling apart. Same with the Brewers.
I don't think the baseball club owns the stadium.
It's really just the natural progression. Attracted to Phoenix for the mild winters; quickly realize it's overrun with bad drivers and meth addicts fleeing the civilization they came from; take advantage of the constantly booming real estate market; flee as fast as possible.
Coming from someone that goes to the angels and dodger stadiums yearly. The d-backs stadium downtown location blow them both away when I went there for the recent world baseball classic
Yeahs it’s pretty underrated
These MLB teams are at the absolute zenith of their value now and on the way down. The Orioles sale more than put that argument to boil. They sold for half of what the Dallas Mavericks did, and the Mavs were considred undervalued at $3.5m. This blackmail BS is not going to fly. Fisher is about to find that out in short order...And the fact that teams are offshoring their funds is old hat. Hide it where people can't see it so that we can claim we're broke. That's standard corporate playbook stuff. Hell, that's Mafia playbook...
With the exception of New York and Los Angeles, every team threatens to move when their lease is about to expire so they can get funds.
Don’t forget Boston. Ownership put up serious money on improving that rat hole. They asked about some city concessions on the subway stop. Fair enough.
Roger's have never made a threat to move the Jay's from Toronto. They paid out of pocket for renovations to sky dome. Spent all that money one winter league facility. Not all make these threats. In a lot of places. It's beneficial to help with public funds. Brings more people in. No one wants sit in a shitty ballpark.
Non story! It's all noise! The Diamondbacks are going nowhere! 😊
Most people aren't sports or baseball fans. Put stadium funding on the ballot and let the voters decide whether to fund sports stadiums.
So they don’t own their ballpark or do they ?
If they are tenants, standard commercial leases are crafted so the landlord maintains structure and roof at his/her/its expense. Amenities , plumbing , playing field , electrical , fire is on the tenant.
Now they want a roof , and in courts it can be argued the roof is an amenity , just as it is their stupid swimming pool.
I would call their bluf and invite the gracious imbeciles who run the Oakland A’s for a five cent tour in their beloved Chase Field. And then tell the Snakes..,, are you in or out ? The A’s will take the ballpark as it is.
Let’s see if they will continue with the nonsense.
Thank you! At least somebody here understands the ruse... 😏...The A's won't take it though. The A's are trying to get their hooks into a brand new facility in Vegas, and paying off politicos hot and heavy there to do it...
wish these guys were a little more educated on the topic
come on phoenix, say no
Diamondbacks should move to North Carolina, NC has 2 milllion more people than Arizona
As a lifelong baseball fan, I dropped TV in 2019 due to the rising costs of watching baseball, and now watching the saga the poor Oakland A's fans are going through is pushing me away from the game.
It is NOT why we pay taxes! Taxes are for keeping communities running, NOT to support billionaires who want new stadiums! I want a new house! Should my fellow taxpayers buy me one? Of course not! Billionaires can fund their own stadiums!
Allowing Jonn Fisher to move to Vegas is going to ruin this team and ruin an entire fanbase. Vegas doesn't want them. Arizona fans won't put up with being bullied so move. Pretty soon fans will have enough and the game will suffer for it. They will save their money for their own needs instead of wasting it on billionaires who own our teams....
this is utterly absurd. I'm not threatening but we might leave. Ummm are we 10 years old?
The city should terminate the lease and tell them to find another place to play. It’ll just need to happen once and it will never happen again!
They're threatening to build in a suburb like Scottsdale.
So-Fi Stadium was privately funded- $5+ Billion in Inglewood, CA
That's what Scott Braun pointed out with CA stadiums being privately financed.
False. Inglewood is giving Kroenke $25 million a year in tax rebates for the construction. So... he's already received $200 million in public funds and will continue to make hundreds of millions more in public funds. They only claimed it was private money, in order to get it to pass the ballot initiative that awarded him millions in public rebates. The public was too stupid to know any better.
I know rich people stay rich by not paying for stuff. But they you’d think the rich guys would want to pay for it so they can keep all the revune the stadium makes
I mean everytime the Dodgers or Braves, etc come to town its an away game so whatever. Fans don't support the team anyways.
Billionaires begging for money is hilarious
Why should the team pay for the renovations? The stadium is owned by maricopa county and the dbacks are just renters. If you’re renting a house and something breaks you make the owner of the property fix it.
Commercial real estate doesn't work that way and you know it. That's a false equivalent...
Diamondbacks demanding 600 million dollars and with over runs will probably be 750,000,000. Diamondbacks are a Losey franchise, Phoenix should not cave to bulling.
The truth is that we live in a country of 50 different states who are allowed to spend their state tax dollars on whatever they like. That was the entire purpose of the US being the United *States* of America. Otherwise the country would have just been called America and run entirely by the federal government. So tax dollars funding a stadium certainly can become illegal in a state but not across the entire country.
The fact is that there are many states and cities that don't have a major league baseball team and want one. Those areas are willing to pay for a stadium to get those teams. So MLB teams obviously want their players and fans to enjoy the best stadiums and developments possible. Developments also bring in more revenue to the team like The Battery did in Atlanta and now the Braves are able to spend a lot more money than they ever have which also helps the players.
MLB is doing nothing different than the players and MLBPA do. They shop around for the best deal. When Boras shops around his players to get the highest offer everyone says "That's what he's supposed to do. No one forced Washington to pay X player that much even if it does end up being a bad contract." But when MLB owners do the exact same thing it's somehow terrible? If a great player leaves his team for more money everyone bashes the owner for not paying enough. When an MLB team leaves a city for more money and a nicer facility that's somehow the owner's fault too? The owners are using the exact same tactics the players do but it's *great* when the players do it but *evil* when the owners do it? Las Vegas, Nashville, Portland, Salt Lake City and Charlotte all desperately want MLB teams. You gotta compete with those cities if you want to keep your team just like teams have to compete with other teams if they want to keep their players. There's nothing wrong with that. It's called the free market and people have been supporting the players doing it for decades. It goes both ways though. You can't love it when the players benefit from the free market but hate it when owners do. Anyone who feels that way is just a biased hack who hates owners no matter what. All MLB wants is for their teams to play in the best stadium they can get. Many cities are willing to help them so that. If you're city is not then it's just like when a team gets outbid for their own player.
OH!!!! So now he likes the idea of "socialism "! All for one.... his possession being the One! Arizona's very own Al Davis! When this group was trying to get the ballpark built with public money, those of us who Really wanted the expansion team to be here argued that if the community is going to pay for the whole thing, the team should belong to the public. You know, like the Packers! Am I wrong here? Seems like a pretty successful franchise! My opinion hasn't changed! It's no wonder that Billy Crystal Got The F Out of the ownership group!
Since the ball park is publicly owned then its the city's responsibility to fix the stadium. Chase Field is owned by Maricopa County.
Not entirely. Look into standard commervial leases.
Roof and building shell, landlord maintains. Everything else , is to be maintained by the tenant. Retractable roof is an amenity. Not a roof in the sense of a commercial lease.
And tenants pay for insurance , taxes and lease payments. That is what we call a Triple Net Lease. The Snakes want it nice, got to keep the ballpark to nice standards.
In fairness , this contract needs to be reviewed upon. But my educated guess, the snakes are a lousy tenant. They got it delivered and did not keep it.
@@serafinacosta7118 you aren't dealing with a standard commercial lease. You are dealing with a government entity that built and owns the facility. In this case, the county agreed to build a stadium with a retractable roof in order to get a MLB franchise in Phoenix. That makes it infrastructure just like a piece of kitchen equipment in the stadium is. It's not an amenity as you argue but a part of the overall mechanical structure therefore the county's responsibility.
I have seen this play out on a local level with minor-league baseball. The government is typically responsible for everything not baseball-related. It's the reason why Minor -League baseball left my hometown until a new stadium was built. The city wouldn't maintain the historic stadium. The retractable roof is not baseball-related because it has been opened during non-baseball events including a college basketball game several years ago if i recall correctly. This is part of the infrastructure of the stadium. Now I am sure if the county was willing to sell it to the Dbacks a deal could be negotiated.
@@charleshallsc somebody is got to pay. After the Arab land deal to grow alfafa on the County ‘s cheap land with groundwater much doubt there is a political will to raise taxes.
Maricopa county owns the ballpark.
Dude are roof didn't open last year and we totally need a new pool. One of ours school districts lost 14mil "randomly" last year. Just saying I'd like to use some of my tax dollars besides theses shitty roads
The dodgers improve their own stadium worth no help from city of Los Angels or MLB.
I like how you guys complain about owners not spending on players and when you have a team that does spend money on players look for new revenue streams you criticize that as well.
These owners want to replicate what Atlanta has in The Battery, which has undoubtedly catapulted Atlanta to a top five payroll.
I'm not really a fan of public finance, but if you want owners to pay more money for players, you shouldn't be critical of them looking for additional revenue streams.
Could be a blessing in disguise for AZ. Let em leave.
It happened here in Houston with crooked Bud Adams. He left Houston and took the Oilers to Tennessee. We got a new and better team. The Titans are now our little brother.
Portland? Their triple A plays 10mi from dt
1) The county signed a deal with the DBacks when they got the stadium that promised the county would pay for some renovations and have welched on the deal - right or wrong they owe the DBacks money. 2) Its the 4th oldest park in the game - 4th! It dearly needs to be renovated, place is great but out of date.
It doesn’t need to be renovated and that voided when the team was sold
1) Fenway
2) Wrigley
3) Dodger Stadium
4) Oakland Coliseum
5) Angel Stadium (though renovated in '97)
6) Tropicana Field
7) Camden Yards
8) Jacob's Field
There might be one more stadium on that list before Chase Field, so it's certainly not 4th.
I hate Ken Kendrick but there’s zero chance the dbacks leave az
If they leave AZ. I’m fine with it. These Billionaires need to be funding this. If you can pay billions of dollars to the players. Than they can afford the stadium. This is why I stopped watching pro sports.
leave the roof closed
Please leave. Dbacks are trash. They haven't tried to build a championship team since 2001. 2023 was pure luck with a bunch of rookies and young guys playing above their potential
Owner has been making this threat for years. Maybe he should ask the bank, who's name is on the building.
Trash
More clickbait waste of time.
Nobody cares about the diamondbacks they should realize that people don't want to give money to a billionaire and millionaire ball player's 😂