Ken Rosenthal: Latest on Free Agents, Senga Injury Domino Effect + Eduardo Rodriguez, DBacks & Cubs
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- Ken Rosenthal dishes on the remaining two big left-handed free agent pitchers and why teams are not jumping to sign them. Plus, the Senga injury, Eduardo Rodriguez's leadership, the Diamondbacks / Phoenix situation, and Cubs camp.
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The "Boras Four" should have their images chiseled into the side of a mountain. Call it Mount Wantmore.
Love it🙌🏻
I hope they sit all year.
I bet one of them is gonna fire boras by the end of it all lol
I’m all for getting as much money as you can. If that’s what you want but these contracts have gotten out of hand. It’s not even my money and I know these guys aren’t going to be worth the investment. I can’t think of the last massive contract that was a winner. Even trout looks bad at this point. Maybe, Harper. But rendon, Pujols, Correa, springer…ect.
That was good! 💯
The owners could just boycott Boras entirely, to where any client who hires him will not be signed by any team. Then nobody would hire Boras as their agent and they'd get rid of him once and for all.
Sounds like a billion-dollar lawsuit.
You mean like Angel Hernandez tried? You can't descriminate against a person based on race, gender, or sexual preference....but you can decide not to work with a particular person for personal reasons. There's no law that says that all the teams don't have the right to feel that way simultaneously.
@@SomebodyPickaNamethey’d be treading on dangerous waters. They could get sued for collusion. But if they can show reasonable doubt that it wasn’t orchestrated and no obvious communications from up top told them not to deal with Boras, they could get away with it. These teams and their FO’s and owners are very smart people and thank god they are bc they’re cock blocking Boras hard right now and I’m all for it
@@SomebodyPickaName Yes, there is: collusion.
@@pjeffries301 lawsuit!? good luck with proving collusion in a court of law. Every team has the freedom to reject free agents.
next year's free agent class is stronger and more teams than ever seem to be scaling back
I’m not sure but if players keep asking for all these expensive long term contract, would at some point future players be blocked?
The good players will always get paid like Ohtani or Yamamoto. The problem with the Boras 4 is that they are not elite players but are asking for a higher tier pay than they are worth.
Add the Mets and Padres that tried but went bust, which scared the rest of the owners into making rational decisions. Had even one of them gone deep into the playoffs, I guarantee you the Boars 4 would all be signed already with what they are asking for.
All eyes will now be on the Dodgers with their Billion 2, the luxury taxes they will be penalized for, and the loss of draft positions again (I think, but I need to confirm).
Free agents are pricing themselves out of the market. Teams are getting smarter and not willing to give aging vets inflated contracts. The technology is there now where teams are getting better at developing prospects. Why pay an aging vet when you have younger, faster and cheaper players in your farm system? A revolution is happening in our game
This right here. This is exactly what’s going on in the league and old school agents like Boras refuse to accept that this is the way teams are operating now. Montgomery for example is not going to get 150mil from any team. He’ll be lucky if he even gets 100m this late in the offseason. Eventually they’ll accept that this is the reality and lower their expectations.
The players should end the arbitration rules they should be paid younger
@@luisjalvareztorres8481the thing about Monty is before the World Series ring & his playoff performance he would’ve never gotten the money he’s currently demanding lol he’s never been THAT guy before
@@anthonyreyes8868owners won’t let that happen. It’s in the CBA.
@@user-bmw528 I know they are trying to get great bang for their buck then discard the poster after age 30-32
Teams are looking at the total bust of NYM and realizing that these player demands/costs are unrealistic. Bellinger for $200M, after 1 year!?? Snell for $250M for 7years and look at his stats, he is more down than up in value!??
I think this is the new landscape of the team GM's moving forward.
The Mets are paying Sherzer and Verlander this year! Let's see the young guys play!
It's weird how a 2x CY Young winner and a MVP (multiple down-ballot MVP) are heavily criticized for wanting huge contracts (understandably, didn't want my team to pay that rate for them)... but Yamamoto and Lee get $340M and $120M and they have no track record at all in the MLB. The international market hype needs to come down as well at some point. Lee and Yamamoto are likely being pumped up by Kim and Darvish/Ohtani successes, not their own MLB results.
@@rayfinkle9369good point on international players. Teams are banking that because of Ohtani's success others will have the same. Dangerous bet because there were great Japanese stars that never moved the needle in MLB. I've seen Snell pitch regularly since he came to San Diego. He is infuriating as hell. If a team is patient and doesn't swing at bad pitches the bases are full. He pitched well last year but was lucky as well. A bloop single, error or whatever and were talking a different story. He started 1-7 w-l with a ERA around 4.50. He's a likeable guy but is good for 4 2/3 or 5 1/3 per start. Not worth Orth of $150 in my opinion.
@@JosePerez-d2b6pWhat you said about Snell is true and emotionally I wanted us to re-sign him, but realistically it wasn't best. As far as the international guys, I feel like someone's gonna get burned on one of these monster contracts one of these days. Maybe that will reset expectations.
They also sign those guys to tap into the Asian market. I saw the numbers of what Ohtani is expected to generate for the dodgers over seas and I was shocked. You don’t get that kind of revenue from a US born player so it’s really comparing two different things.
As a Cardinal fan, I’d like to see the Redbirds offer Jordan Montgomery a contract and bring him back. He was pretty good with the Birds. I don’t have a lot of confidence in their current starting staff.
Don't budge Scott boras is killing the market but they will sign for Christmas Eve 24
Hold the line!
Facts
Nothing will ever beat Camden Yards. They incorporated a 100 year old building that was used by the B&O Railway. It’s a stadium with a part of American history.
Check out Petco.
@@RicardoZ590 I don't think you understand. If you look up, "early 20th century view of Camden station and B&O Warehouse"...you can see the building with train station next to it.
@@HKim0072 Petco is the same. The difference is Petco’s location, field, food, fan experience, weather and views around the ballpark make it the crown jewel of more modern ballparks. Does the name Lucchino ring any bells with you? May want to look that up and see the connection and similarity of these two ballparks.
@@RicardoZ590 You really aren't listening to me.
San Diego was barely a town when the Camden Yards warehouse was built in 1905. San Diego had a population of 18,000 people. Baltimore was at 500,000.
You realize this was before cars right? And, how trains were extremely important to our industrial growth as a nation right?
That warehouse is part of American history. It's not just some abstract stadium.
@@HKim0072 here’s a question…think about it before you answer. How many people give two shitz about the history of any stadium, especially the younger generation? Now, put everything into perspective and focus on the stadium itself with the location and amenities it offers, and then think about the fan that’s sitting there in their seat and thinking, wow! This is a part of history!
Any boras client offer only a one year deal .
Imagine if the A’s signs all of Boras clients to one year contracts lol 😂
Ken Rosenthal is known to be a higher profile insider that has a lot of contacts and relationships with both players and management. You would think after all the years he has been doing this and the plethora of ball players that speak Spanish he would have learned that language and given himself an even more leg up vs the other insiders.
GMs are smarter. You drop the life savings down for guys like ohtani, trout, acuna, etc. you give a certain price line for risky players like bellinger, snell, and Chapman
Hang on now. Acuña is not even the highest paid player on his team. Don’t lump the Braves in this mess lol
@@shanks5037I actually don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying Acuna IS a generational talent that would be worth breaking the bank over. Which makes the Braves even smarter for being able to lock him up at a very reasonable price.
Another play, like Anderson, that isn’t getting brought up as “veteran leaders” is Brandon Crawford. Most GG of any player in the league. 2 WS rings. Was 4th in MVP just a couple years ago.
The Giants keep saying they want a veteran to backup Luciano.
Pham would be a great 4th outfielder for the braves but he or Duvall won't have regular playing time bc the lineup plays every day. Hopefully as ST games start either Pham or Duvall will change their mind
Ken, you investing in crypto? Gala games?
Great show
Good on these teams for showing restraint.The prices are TOO high.Boras is a tool for these players and he needs to be sharpened.
The Mets even said they aren’t a championship caliber team in 2024 and 2025. They’d essentially be wasting a year of a high-priced free agent from the Boras pool. Also, Alonso is a FA pretty soon.
So we are giving up for the season even starts. That's great
owners are essentially boycotting Boras already
I'm kind of surprised none of the Boras clients have fired him yet. Boras has clearly pissed off plenty enough teams. but at the same time, some of these teams have a shit ton of money that they just won't spend.
Just bc they have the money doesn’t mean they should spend it, especially for overpriced players. Luxury tax penalties are very real
@@alcostello6114 lol there are not more than 5 teams paying the tax
@@matthewr2906 ok and?
🎉that's because Lauer socks!!
I'd sure love to renovate my home, but its on me, not my fellow taxpayer. So what makes these billionaires think that my taxes should fund their renovations? Keep it up and you will continue pushing us fans away......
I think the logic is that it becomes a public attraction that the city itself benefits from, so there’s an incentive for the city (and by extension its people) to pay for it. Now, I take a more neo-positional approach to this.
I think that tax payers should foot less than 50% of the bill. I also think that these stadiums should be built to last over 50 years and not be torn down every 20-30 years. It gives more time for the stadium to create a return on its investment. Ballparks like Wrigley and Fenway have probably paid back the taxpayer 10 times over
Id like a package deal for the Cubs Bellinger 6 years 140 million and JD Martinez 1 year 15 million boom
I want some club options in that Belli deal
Being a Mets fan, I would love to get Montgomery, but eff Boras!
Why? Why shouldn’t he try to get the best deal for his clients? The hatred for Boras makes no sense.
@@joksal9108it makes all the sense in the world, tf? He’s overpricing his players and slowing down the market and ruins the off season. Hes a greedy bastard and deserves all the hate he’s getting.
@@joksal9108 he is trying to capitalize on last seasons accomplishments, not big picture! He can pound sand!
@@joksal9108 It is more than just Scott Boras trying to get the best deal. He operates in bad faith and greed. Which ruins teams. Scott has gotten away with this for far too long. Teams are finally picking up on this
@@wraynephew6838How do you know he operates in bad faith?
Bring back the Montreal Expos -
Expansion needs to happen. Lots of talented players who don't have a team. There are plenty of good players to field two more teams.
Most of the remaining free agents are fringe-type players. Currently, there might not be enough pitching to accommodate two additional teams.
There's already too many teams with and too many below average players lol we don't need to water down the competition even more by adding more teams lol
did you see the A's last year... they're the most obvious counter-argument for there being enough talent for an expansion. There wasn't even enough talent for 30 MLB teams last year, but 29 pro teams and 1 AAAA team!
Even with expansion, it doesn't mean those teams are going to spend. Free agents are beginning to price themselves out of the market. Teams are starting to figure out that long term deals don't end well. You will start seeing more 5 year deals with a higher AAV than dead deals with longevity.
Need contraction of 6 teams. Oakland, Arizona, Colorado, Miami, Tampa, and Milwaukee. There isn’t 30 teams worth of mlb talent now. There isn’t 30 aces. There isn’t 30 cleanup hitters. There isn’t 30 shortstops. We have pretenders who are getting time due to lack of talent and too many teams. I’d love to see a contraction draft of 6 teams worth of players. Obviously go back to 4 playoff teams a league
Darrin ruf is 37 had all of 37 at bats last year before getting hurt and hasn’t been a good hitter since 2021. That was a ridiculous comment.
Everything has a ceiling from Housing to Free Agents. Almost back to the money ball era when better to get a lot of average players than one expensive player.
I think teams are tired of Scott Boras and his ridiculous prices . Glad no one budges . All teams should hold that so that the prices come back to reality.
“Tommy Pham had a really good year last year”
He hit .247 with a .720 OPS, nothing I’d classify as “really good” or anywhere close.
Boycott Boras! MLB has been held hostage by this man, time to hold his players accountable for his behavior!
I think with the Orioles it’s because of the ownership change. I believe once the new ownership change happens they are going to make a move.
Owners not bending for mediocrity. Prices have gotten insane. Cohen & Co. states 24 not a priority. Guess what? I agree. Not going to single meaningless game.
Arizona Diamondbacks made the world series last year. I don't think any of their players on the starting roster was a Scott Boras client. Scott Boras is not needed. People like him hurt the game and hurt organizations that deal with him.
Is the fact that mlb teams are getting less money on their local television deals a factor? What about Anthony Rendon’s shenanigans shining a light on how bad these big free agent deals usually are? Lastly, are we in a new era where teams are no longer irrationally overpaying free agents well into their decline years?
Dodgers know that Japan is going to pay the 700m for Ohtani in streaming packages alone over the next 10 years (If China doesn’t take baseball before over then like they are our economy). Minnesota is heavily recruiting internationally and other teams now understand that these high salaries are killing the sport. TV contracts are GOING....GOING..... (almost) GONE because of the internet. This isn't the 90's anymore. Owners are starting to stand their ground against the Scott Boras's of the world.
Think it’s funny how thees owners want the fans(tax payers) to pay for thees stadiums but us fans(tax payers) can’t even afford to go to thees games with all the jacked up ticket prices,food costs and parking.
Why do the White Sox need a new ballpark already? Their ballpark was built in 1989-1990. Fix the problems. Angel Stadium opened in 1966. And Dodger Stadium opened a few years earlier. If owners want new ballparks they should spend their own money. Right now Chicago is a mess and their whole state is broke.
MLB should implement a length maximum on contracts. Teams are getting burned by these players with 8-12 year deals that are only productive in the first 1-3 years. MLB should have a 5 year max with unlimited AAV.
Yeah the lengths are dumb at this point. Such a stupid gamble. It also never works out which you would think owners have to realize at this point. It’s not even my money and I can’t believe people offer these deals. 12 years? My marriage didn’t even last that long. lol.
Good luck getting that past the MLBPA 😂, not saying I disagree, it absolutely SHOULD happen. But much like a salary cap it’ll never happen
@@IdliAmin_TheLastKingofSambar not all teams. Lots of teams have said they will not sign players for deals longer than six years. The big spender like those deals (maybe) but small markets absolutely can’t be saddled with a bad contract for a decade.
@@IdliAmin_TheLastKingofSambar you said “it’s the teams” bud. There is no other way to read your comment. It was a definitive direct statement. Yeah i know some teams abuse the system like what the dodger did with ohtani. The vast majority of teams do not like these deals. Some couldn’t even afford to do them if they wanted to.
@@IdliAmin_TheLastKingofSambar please point to the part were you said “some or a few” stop being contrite. You said it is the teams that want this not the players. That is a definitive statement. If you wanted to make it a statement with indefinite quantities then you needed to add a modifier. You made a claim. You got challenged and now you are backtracking and trying to hide behind semantics. Nice try but no you are wrong. It is not the teams that want these long deals. It’s the players. Some teams can afford them so they do them anyway. Some teams find ways to mitigate the huge effect by stretching the length. These contracts are purely the players wanting as much money as they can get. I don’t blame them. Good for them if they can get it but don’t think for a second most teams are happy signing a guy for millions of dollars well past his prime knowing he could be hurt and not even play a game for them. At the very least, you should acknowledge that your statement without modifiers lends itself to the interpretation of a “most teams prefer these contracts and most players do not.” I firmly believe that isn’t true. Most teams don’t want insanely long contracts and most players do want them. Just look at what bellinger was asking for and what he ended up with. The cubs are a top 25% team in terms of spending. Even they didn’t want to do it. However, sure you didn’t say “all.” You also didn’t say “sports” teams. You also didn’t say “men or women” players. You also didn’t specify that these events take place on the planet earth or even in this galaxy. You got me.
Does Chicago need two MLB teams? Does NYC?
We can afford 5 Montgomery's
Alonzo getting 200 million? Lmao!
Boras is going to start littering the player parking lots at spring training with used banana peels. Don’t worry though feel like the Mets are going to do a dumb overpay for one of these guys.
GM's have a budget and it's great to see them finally pushing back and letting some of these overpriced players sit without a team going into spring training.
Mets pitching staff is a huge hole
In 2025 Boras free agent clients are Pete Alonso, Gleyber Torres, Willy Adames, Max Muncy, Bregman, Soto, and others yet to mention and you have to wonder how long are these Free agent going to take and sign. The quickest Signing should be Soto because of his age and talent.
Muncy signed an extension through 25 with a club option for 26
Muncy isn’t a free agent nor rep’d by Boras. Torres and Adames are also not Boras clients
But Soto at 23 passed on $440 million!!! Now the 15 years was much but who is going to offer $500 plus that Soto will want? I think the Ohtani deal was the Babe Ruth deal… I simply don’t believe that any everyday player is going to better the 9/360 that Judge got. Maybe GM’s and owners are focused on shorter contracts with large amounts of? Like 3/99 or 4/135 and that’s the new ceiling! Just saying…
If Soto has an elite year, you're going to be looking at a deal around the neighborhood of 12/600. I'm not saying he will get it, but that will be the starting point.
@@johnyarusinsky1946 with Boras as his agent, that will be the staring point!
Be nice to go to a game or 2 once a year of any sport. It's all crazy greed
If they really need another pitcher, there are still guys like Lorenzen and Odorizzi. Or maybe... Trevor Bauer!?!
Playing a sport at any level isn't a right; it's a privilege. Trevor Bauer lost his privilege by violating the terms of MLB's domestic violence policy. No MLB team should sign him. Whether or not a case went to court is immaterial. What matters is that he violated the sport's collectively bargained DV policy. Also, Bauer isn't being denied a right to make a living. He can work plenty of jobs, just not in Major League Baseball. People lose their jobs over stuff like this all the time. Why should Bauer be treated any differently?
@@StopSayingLiterallybro stop trying to virtue signal Trevor bauer was found not guilty because some dumb whore tried to ruin his life and you want to sit here and act like he’s a piece of sh!t who shouldn’t play baseball?? Go f*ck yourself bro
You know what isn't a privilege in this country, it's a right under the Constitution that you are innocent unless proven guilty. I'm not aware that ever happened. He served the maximum penalty that MLB handed out, so no ban I'm aware of there... In an era where men dress up in dresses and wigs and get appointed to high level government jobs and being told about children having gender reassignment choices!?! Guess what, some people like rough sex, I had a girl suddenly almost bite my tit off, I didn't like it. I didn't bring charges against her because she was a nobody not worth pressing charges, but if I found out she was rich or famous, I was bleeding pretty good. We don't even know what really happened, so if he said he would just concentrate on baseball, being a Christian, I would give him a second chance until something else ever happened.
@@StopSayingLiterallybecause he got kinky with a woman who lost her suit against him? When he showed the proof of his innocence that should've been the end of it all. Sure, the guy's a freaky dude in the bedroom, but he never abused or assaulted anyone. Bauer did not violate the policy either, that was proven to be false when all the truth came out. Everyone jumped on the wagon and said "woman beater" and didn't look at the facts.
Trevor Bauer just signed with the Royals 7 year 245 million
Why would you think that?
Everyone acts like these guys can’t get paid and it’s greedy owners, they can get paid, just not the most they WANT to get paid. Don’t feel sorry for them.
Darin Ruf is not an effective major league player. Knock it off
Wild, player-delusional views…
Do you remeber when players wanted to play baseball, and didn't care what to make to play. We need a new commsioner that beleives in max money every year and just play baseball. PS you make $20 a year and have to wear see through uniforms, shame on yo0u MLB. Get rid of Fantrax, and some owners who don;t think of there fans.
That time never existed.
Tommy Pham is the same guy that slapped pederson over fantasy football. Then yelled at a fan in ARZ*. More than likely he is not wanted in clubhouse.
*granted the fan called him a piece of sh** but have to be a big boy and ignore.
We can assume Ken Rosenthal is a drinking buddy of Darrin Ruf, a 37-year-old DH who hasn't hit over .224 since 2021. What a freaking joke to even mention Ruf.
Yet no one will give Trevor Bauer minimum.
He violated the terms of Major League Baseball's Domestic Violence Policy that was agreed upon through collective bargaining. Lots of people lose their jobs over stuff like this. Why should Trevor Bauer be treated differently?
@@StopSayingLiterally Nothing proven that it wasn't consensual.
@@MountainFisher He chose to beat and injure her.