John Textor, owner of many clubs including Botafogo, recently posted a picture saying he was cheering for Flamengo, Botafogo’s rival. He clearly doesn’t live and breathe Botafogo like their fans, he just sees it as an asset.
I don't see how (just an example) a Danish club is limited by having an English/Spanish team loan in some of the best extra squad options available on the continent. Unless you want every club to aim for the champion's league, which is super unrealistic.
@@duyanhng8430 Realistically speaking, that isn't possible. You're gonna put countless teams in endless debt if every single one desperately chases the champion's league rather than staying in their own lane. Grow up.
Tinashe, your video essays are the stuff of legend! It's a big inspiration for my own stuff in recent months as well, just wanted to send a quick thanks for that!
I think it'd be okay if it was like, one per continent. Good pathway for players from non traditional football countries to get into European club football. Seeing City Football Group own like 5 clubs in Europe alone definitely leaves a bad taste in the mouth though.
I more into, only one club should be allowed in highest division, the other automatically demoted and cant get promotion unless that one team face degradation. Just like B team, like Barcelona B or Real Madrid Castilla. That system should be applied to multi-club ownership.
As a Man City fan i can't help but agree. Seeing that Girona is likely to get UCL next season, how on earth can two clubs with the same owners compete in the same competition while not having conflicting interests? Especially since the owners would favour Man City succeeding in Europe over Girona. Hopefully EUFA and FIFA pass laws mandating better multi-club ownership, though that's unlikely.
@@superdog736Of course both can play in UCL. CFG isn't majority stakeholders in Girona. And the management is completely independent of Manchester City. What's wrong in that?
I don't see why people should be allowed to own multiple teams (in the same sport, I mean) because of the fact it's a conflict of interest if they end up playing each other (like Leipzig vs Salzburg, or now Man United vs Nice)
your point makes sense to a certain extent, but your example is terrible 2 clubs of 1 owner battling, will have 1 outcome for the stakeholder nevertheless
@@Espeo that's true. But is it a guarantee that a different owner would put all of his resources into winning? A different owner might also own other clubs in other leagues that he cares about more. Even in North American professional sports leagues when an owner may only own one team per league, it doesn't necessarily follow that the owner cares that much about the club they own in the sport that you love. I think we're all yearning for the days when teams were owned by a local homegrown millionaire who grew up loving the club as much as the other fans.
@@hmmmmmmmmmmmm938 you said "club owners", it's self explanatory a single entity that owns a majority stake and controls everything, in that case fans' say and stake are shit in comparison maybe that's what you get for supporting a patron, oligarch or oil tycoon clubs....
I’ve always thought that Welsh clubs which play within the EFL pyramid (Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham etc.) are missing a trick re. the footballing, multi-club ownership trend. You needn’t be a billionaire owned club for a multi-club ownership model to succeed, an abbreviated version could be feasible for poorer Welsh clubs. Those Welsh clubs within English leagues are fairly unique within world football, as they technically play in a foreign league and don’t compete within Wales’ own domestic league. If Swansea, for example, owned a secondary, far smaller club based within their own county in the Welsh football pyramid, they could use it as a youth, coach and talent scouting affiliate club… on the larger club’s doorstep! A Swansea or Cardiff “multi-club” ownership model isn’t a realistic expectation in the immediate future as those example clubs are badly run. However, imagine if Wrexham who are on an immense rise, decided to purchase a smaller, North Wales based club within the WPL? Wrexham could use their second club as a base for youth talent development, with Wrexham (the parent club) perhaps not able to give youth players a chance in a fast-climbing, senior squad.
This is a good idea for Canada as well. They have teams competing in Major League Soccer (primarily playing in the US) but they also have the Canadian Premier League. I believe there are some partnerships in place already but I don’t think any of the CPL clubs are directly owned by the MLS ones. Funny enough, Atlético Madrid does have something of a subsidiary team there with Atlético Ottawa
Crazy (in a good way) to see your channel edging closer to the 300K sub mark, well deserved as your content is honestly quality man. Been here since 20K ⌚
We have mumbai city fc of city football group And used to have Athletico In a country where getting investment and make quality academy and enhancing quality is rare , we are thankful to both the groups
As an OL fan, We were a bit worried at the beginning of the season but Textor invested alot this winter to put the team back on track and it looks like it's working. For the disagreement with the ex-management, they were justified. OL had a really week recruitment cell with only 3 scouts and practically no using of datas, which penalized the club a lot in modern football ( a lot of bust transfer). So the Textor takeover as president has been accelerated to help changing the club mentality and organization quicker in order to stay relevant in modern football for the future.
Note: Seattle Sounders were not founded in 2007. They were founded in 1974 and played in the original NASL and a ton of other leagues before joining MLS.
That 8-1 thrashing of City is definitely one of my fondest memories as a Boro fan. Carling Cup win, european run, and the FA cup run where we beat United and Tottenham will always hold a special place.
For legal reasons I will agree with you that your channel is just satire (but we all know that in reality your content is nothing short but amazing analysis!) Thank you so much for all the hard work!
My club Leicester, we love our owners and they also own Oh leuven. I think we loaned some players and such but seems like both clubs are independent and not too close.
Not surprised that pretty soon, we may soon see a chart on football ownership similar to that of vehicle brands / FCMG ownership where 1 brand / company owns several other brands
Just imagine your club is brought by someone else. Instead of growing a team or improving them to win trophies they use it as feeder club. So whenever you have a good squad that can make you win a parent club will come and take away. Just imagine if big clubs like AC Milan or Inter Milan or few big Brazilian club are brought under such and treated as a feeder club you will not love it. Allow mco but make a strict rule because we all know they are doing this to get more talented players due to which they start poaching all talented players like Chelsea did in January last year poaching highly talented young Brazilian talents.
You can’t just ‘take away’ football players. A fair market price must be paid, so those sister clubs make a huge profit on players they would most likely never even own without being part of a group
@@carstenkoning5276yeah but if they are from the same owner it’s a problem. As an example if city brought a player from girona and normally he would only cost 15 million but city pays 25 million. Even if they could get him for 20 million. Because of the overpaying girona gets more money only because they are in the same group. This can be used in other examples like player trading and could be seen as braking the fair trade in football
25:02 I thought you would mention Brighton and Union SG here because Tony bloom and to sell a chunk of his stake in Union after they qualified for a UEFA competition
With all the money that pumped into the top clubs during the 90s and 00s, this kinda process feels like the only way to compete with the top clubs now. If they follow the way CFG and RB process, we see that they’re actually improving all their clubs, small clubs included. No club outside the top 3 has even challenged in laliga until Girona came along, isn’t it good to have extra competition? If we’re gonna allow teams like Real Madrid, Man Utd, Barca etc to hoard all their wealth then what other methods are there for smaller teams to challenge
The big question about 777 is what is the source of their funds. I can see MCOs being used to circumvent FFP and further ensure that the current big clubs remain that way.
Can we just appreciate that my guy puts out a 30 minute video on something that don’t get talked about enough and neither guarantee views, give this man an applaud❤️👏
@@peecon7 Pick up the team mid-season on 9th position after twelve matchdays and finishing second (after scoring 4 against Madrid, Atlético, Napoli, Espanyol, etc.), then winning a league 15 points clear of the competition and trashing your biggest rival in the Spanish super cup, for a second trophy, all without being able to sign the players he wanted because Barça couldn't afford them, while in a hostile environment due to a case that hasn't reached tribunals as of today (and never will!), is not doing shit, according to you? You're delusional.
As a Sounders fan and season ticket member. I would push back on your example of the sounders as a success story for multi-sport. The Alan’s and Seahawks are no longer involved in the club and were always the clear 3rd string in the initial ownership group. The club is majority owned by Adrian Hanauer. Yes, the ability to tap into the Seahawks sales department in the initial years helped avoid the need to scale up operations right out the gate, but they did that pretty quickly anyway. The sounders were a unique case, having been a successful 2nd division side (owned by Hanauer) before joining MLS, and having existed in one form or another for 50 years despite many pro-leagues they competed in collapsing over that period. Combine that with being pretty much the most open and democratic sports team in the US (after greenbay), and some phenomenal marketing from Joe Roth and Drew Carey (the other owners) and you had a special combination. You saw a similar level of success with Portland, despite not being associated with another team, largely due to also being a legacy team in the lower division with a very long history by American sports standards.
Great vid as always and an excellent subjective that isnt talked about enough. I'm not a big fan of MCO's personally but can see where they can be usual like the Red Bull model. If i was a Crystal Palace fan though I'd be concerned, i think their in for a shock once Lyon start firing again. Much easier to get Lyon into one if the 3 UEFA competition than crystal palace who lets be honest are mostly battling to stay in the league every season. On a separate note, i know you must be cooking up a AFCON video release for next week after the final has concluded, it will be criminal if you don't 😂😂
Great job man! Thanks for such informative video. It's a bit sad to see that everything goes around for money. But it's still a beautiful game so let's at least enjoy it 😐
When the cultural ideology is literally pay to win tending towards monopoly (capitalism), why people are shocked that it infects every aspect of the culture is totally beyond me. It's a problem everywhere all across every aspect of entertainment, polotics, trade, equality, human rights, environmental impact, it's not just a problem because Girona happened to score a few more goals and let in a few less this season.
I kinda digg it tho, to me MCO has helped in developing the sport from a broad perspective. Scouting has been strengthened massively which has benefited not only the clubs but players whose lives are transformed instantly.
I would think the "farm team" sort of system is ok, guys who are not ready to play on the big stage still get some experience on loan to develop. As for the potential to "hoard" players to prevent others from having them, potentially a salary cap or roster cap system might be needed.
Fantastic video, even though it is purely satirical in nature. I think you are right in that MCOs have added one more layer of reminding us that sport is merely a business. And while of course that is true for professional sports it raises that awful spectre of them being manipulated and dishonest. We have become disillusioned with so much I think we want at least one escape from perfidious behaviour. But then again, will that stop us from watching? I despise FIFA, but I love watching the World Cup, and will continue to do so, unless the product becomes terrible. The same goes for the national leagues and club tournaments.
Superb vid ! As a supporter of a definite feeder club, RBNY, I feel a lot of ambivalence about this kind of ownership structure. That said, my team are undoubtedly in a better place than they were before RB came: we use to affectionately lament the team as the most "mediocre club in first-world football". So it is not a case of having nothing to be thankful for with the present ownership. Again very thoroughly researched and nicely presented.
A thorugh, informative and humerous deepdive into a problematic area in football. The money and resources required today mean there is an inevitability about it, but, and I'm not a supporter of it, what are clubs to do? They could go the route of Spurs and build a £1bn muliti event venue or proceed to buy or invest in smaller clubs to generate the relevant revenue required to seemingly compete...
Can't believe you are wearing an Austria shirt while recording. From the german perspective this is like wearing an Red Sox Shirt, while talking about Liverpool. Or in your case, a glaser picture shirt..😂
I'm glad you brought up the Football/Handegg thing. You see, as Americans we're a cosmopolitan people. We needed words to differentiate the different sports immigrants were bringing in, between Association, rugby, gridiron, Aussie rules and other kinds of football. Soccer became the cool way in the language of the time to shorten "association." As the rest of the world began to know gridiron football as "American" football it only made sense for Americans to just call it "football." I do understand that being American naturally comes with being more educated and polite, so we try to accept this burden and allow the misguided savages to pound their clubs on the ground and yell- in a strange dialect they call "the Queens English" that seems to constantly use words like "Oi," "innit" and referring to female genitals a lot- that others use a word that isn't their own, which you may find is surprisingly something that is actually done the world over. In fact, if you get out there you might actually learn there are actually hundreds of different languages with thousands of different regional dialects. If you're going to get angry at all of them for using their own words and try to stop it, you'd have to do something really unconscionably drastic, like building a massive empire and suppressing entire continents for the purpose of collecting leaves to put in hot water, and then blame it on needing to civilize them or teach them about some guy that died nearly two Millenia ago, or some fictional nonsensical plan like that. Or you could just let people say "soccer?"
In the early days of football even British people called it soccer, but unlike the Americans, they learned from their mistake, same with the metric system.
One of the worst trends in modern football is fans of established clubs decrying and blocking any attempts by the nouveau riche to break into the elite. It was fine when they had all the money, all the top players and all the trophies but they don’t like the idea of others doing the same.
Correction, "why every top club that didnt think about the multi club ownership model before their rivals did, hates multi club ownership"......is much more accurate!
If we assume Man City were just the first to think of MCO, why have no other top clubs just adopted the same strategy? As shown in the video the CFG has never turned over a profit. We can only then assume that profitability is not the aim, at least for the foreseeable future. Every top clubs ownership model is geared towards profit, either through revenue or the sale of the asset, unless however you’re owned by a nation state and operate not as a business but as part of a country’s economic and foreign policy.
@@CFlfc98 Who said profitability is not the aim? Know anything about running a business at all? Let me help you! CFG Revenue increased by £80.5m in 21-22 an increase of 12.9% the group has assets of £774m and while they had significant a loss in the last accounts, that was due to covid. Group working capital is strong too. So the facts are they now have operations in leagues all over the world, with the capability to tap into top talent globally. The model was never only a long term dipper or rag spend loads more money than your rivals! This model allows you to sell academy talent to help finance first team spending and enable the development of young players. Savio being a primary example. A self sustainable model that doesn't just mean what you earn keeps you at the top. This model goes beyond that! As for other clubs Red Bull have had similar success just not on City’s scale! Oh, how bitter you are? We have the best owners bar none, who can run a business and develop it to be best in class. All 5 major trophies in the same calendar year! The only English team to ever achieve it! Let that sink in!
@@CFlfc98You tube removing my factual posts about the model really substantiates my point. Anti City American platform influenced by the cartel clubs in red!
@@CFlfc98 Er the group secured record revenue - £877.1 million ($1.1 billion) in the 2022-23 financial year. While it recorded a pre-tax loss of £126.9 million, its clear based on your post you have no idea how to run a business!
@@philc1773 I don’t know how to run a business no. However if they’ve recorded record revenue (pre-tax as you say) yet still made a loss, how does that constitute a good, viable and replicable business strategy for a club that isn’t state owned (i.e profit driven)? And if it is, why has no one else adopted it when it clearly delivers on-pitch success?
The Americanization of English Football is inevitable at this point. You either bar foreign investors from buying teams, risking the quality of talent on the pitch, or you watch the institution change and evolve. Let’s not act like people are against this tho. We all want billion dollar investments in our clubs the flashy signings and excitement that comes with it. The only reason Chelsea fans hate Boehly is because of how bad the team is, not because he’s spending money on them.
fantastic work once again. Thank you for the education in the details of this topic. If Im to be honest, in a hypothetical fantasy I would love to own a Successful football club in the future and with that hat on, the potential to set up a network of teams is highly appealing. the reality of it is that you have to run them and keep them afloat so i feel as though, if you are doing exactly that, multitasking successfully like a cooperation, why cant there be a few perks to your hard work?
It's still different from when I was a younger boy, I am 20. Or when my dad was a young boy. He played before getting injured at a very young age. He was nowhere near the top of the game but still could have made a career out of the sport. It's not necessarily the MGO's but it's all the "acting" as my dad says. While yes he was in a Romanian team's football youth system which is a lot different from every top league, he says that even back in the day they played with heart and grit and didn't flop on the floor rolling around looking for a foul every time they get touched. Wish that football came back because while the product is still acceptable for many people to watch, it's not the same. I vaguely remember when AC Milan was at the top of Europe with a young Zlatan, Alexander Pato, and in prime Nesta among many others, always making it far in the Champions League and it definitely seemed a lot more physical then than it does now. Hope it goes back to that someday though I do not think it will because the young-to-be footballers are watching a "theatrical game instead of a gritty play with your heart on the line game" as my dad and his father would say.
It's clearly here to stay, however I don't think you should be able to own more than 1 club in the same federation, City Group own City so they shouldn't be able to own another club registered under Uefa.
Tinashe what are your thoughts on clubs owned by their fans, such as Barcelona and Real Madrid. Disregarding both of their current financial situations, do you think they too will go on to become part of these MCOs? If not, how would the emergence of MCO's in La Liga influence their dominance?
Good question that is relevant to other football codes like Australian Rules Football. All clubs member owned and have been for 150+ years but how to fight the commercial onslaught and survive?
I am absolutely against the same person/entity having more than 1 club in a continent. I would accept them having clubs in different continents but even so, it is weird. Owning clubs in the same continent is cheating.
18:16 Although they've lead the Brasileirão for a long time, they completely self destructed at the end of it losing a lead of 13 points to end up 5th not even qualifying to the Libertadores with this result, so the Botafogo fans aren't really that happy about things anymore.
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John Textor, owner of many clubs including Botafogo, recently posted a picture saying he was cheering for Flamengo, Botafogo’s rival. He clearly doesn’t live and breathe Botafogo like their fans, he just sees it as an asset.
We made fun of him for that.
It just needs to be stamped out tbh, it's ridiculous for people to own multiple teams imo
Tenho não respeito para um cara que possui um clube num pais mas não fala o idioma quando ele é numa o país.
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He does Love botafogo. He literally went Insane when they were robbed. There are Videos
These companies/groups are running football like the MLB, effectively creating farm teams.
And amazing job on this video man. This was really good
Absolutely love your videos! Hope you keep going for a long time!
Wow! Thanks so much Filip! Will definitely try!
It's an obvious conflict of interest and it puts a cap on the growth and success that a feeder club can achieve
I don't see how (just an example) a Danish club is limited by having an English/Spanish team loan in some of the best extra squad options available on the continent. Unless you want every club to aim for the champion's league, which is super unrealistic.
@@jaquandrejonesevery club should aim for continental club football
@@duyanhng8430 Realistically speaking, that isn't possible. You're gonna put countless teams in endless debt if every single one desperately chases the champion's league rather than staying in their own lane. Grow up.
Not only that they start poaching talented players.
@@jaquandrejones Its more than possible
Tinashe, your video essays are the stuff of legend! It's a big inspiration for my own stuff in recent months as well, just wanted to send a quick thanks for that!
I think it'd be okay if it was like, one per continent. Good pathway for players from non traditional football countries to get into European club football. Seeing City Football Group own like 5 clubs in Europe alone definitely leaves a bad taste in the mouth though.
I still have an issue with that idea, it solves the issue of them playing each other, but transfers between the clubs would still be wrong.
I more into, only one club should be allowed in highest division, the other automatically demoted and cant get promotion unless that one team face degradation.
Just like B team, like Barcelona B or Real Madrid Castilla.
That system should be applied to multi-club ownership.
As a Man City fan i can't help but agree. Seeing that Girona is likely to get UCL next season, how on earth can two clubs with the same owners compete in the same competition while not having conflicting interests? Especially since the owners would favour Man City succeeding in Europe over Girona. Hopefully EUFA and FIFA pass laws mandating better multi-club ownership, though that's unlikely.
@@JFriisN why the transfers between them are wrong?
@@superdog736Of course both can play in UCL. CFG isn't majority stakeholders in Girona. And the management is completely independent of Manchester City. What's wrong in that?
I don't see why people should be allowed to own multiple teams (in the same sport, I mean) because of the fact it's a conflict of interest if they end up playing each other (like Leipzig vs Salzburg, or now Man United vs Nice)
your point makes sense to a certain extent, but your example is terrible
2 clubs of 1 owner battling, will have 1 outcome for the stakeholder nevertheless
@@ridakesserwan8712 maybe if you think the only stakeholders are the owners and not the fans
@@ridakesserwan8712 my point is that the fans are the ones that are shafted because of the fact the owners won't care as much who does better
@@Espeo that's true. But is it a guarantee that a different owner would put all of his resources into winning? A different owner might also own other clubs in other leagues that he cares about more.
Even in North American professional sports leagues when an owner may only own one team per league, it doesn't necessarily follow that the owner cares that much about the club they own in the sport that you love. I think we're all yearning for the days when teams were owned by a local homegrown millionaire who grew up loving the club as much as the other fans.
@@hmmmmmmmmmmmm938 you said "club owners", it's self explanatory
a single entity that owns a majority stake and controls everything, in that case fans' say and stake are shit in comparison
maybe that's what you get for supporting a patron, oligarch or oil tycoon clubs....
I’ve always thought that Welsh clubs which play within the EFL pyramid (Swansea, Cardiff, Wrexham etc.) are missing a trick re. the footballing, multi-club ownership trend. You needn’t be a billionaire owned club for a multi-club ownership model to succeed, an abbreviated version could be feasible for poorer Welsh clubs.
Those Welsh clubs within English leagues are fairly unique within world football, as they technically play in a foreign league and don’t compete within Wales’ own domestic league. If Swansea, for example, owned a secondary, far smaller club based within their own county in the Welsh football pyramid, they could use it as a youth, coach and talent scouting affiliate club… on the larger club’s doorstep!
A Swansea or Cardiff “multi-club” ownership model isn’t a realistic expectation in the immediate future as those example clubs are badly run. However, imagine if Wrexham who are on an immense rise, decided to purchase a smaller, North Wales based club within the WPL? Wrexham could use their second club as a base for youth talent development, with Wrexham (the parent club) perhaps not able to give youth players a chance in a fast-climbing, senior squad.
As a Swansea fan this is a great idea
This is a good idea for Canada as well. They have teams competing in Major League Soccer (primarily playing in the US) but they also have the Canadian Premier League. I believe there are some partnerships in place already but I don’t think any of the CPL clubs are directly owned by the MLS ones. Funny enough, Atlético Madrid does have something of a subsidiary team there with Atlético Ottawa
A big like f1 academy's just this time the club own both clubs that's actually a really good idea
Ment to say bit
Crazy (in a good way) to see your channel edging closer to the 300K sub mark, well deserved as your content is honestly quality man. Been here since 20K ⌚
We have mumbai city fc of city football group
And used to have Athletico
In a country where getting investment and make quality academy and enhancing quality is rare , we are thankful to both the groups
Great editing on inserting "Euros" Tinashe lol, gave me a little chuckle
You should see how it is in Mexico, multiclub ownership (up to 3 clubs!) competing in the same championship
I'll leave a like for that Austria shirt alone❤
Suddenly the German model of club ownership looks more and more sensible.
It’s community ownership or alienation.
Yeah, that's why they can't seem to be able to hold on to any player that's being wanted by a low tier EPL team like West Ham
As an OL fan, We were a bit worried at the beginning of the season but Textor invested alot this winter to put the team back on track and it looks like it's working.
For the disagreement with the ex-management, they were justified. OL had a really week recruitment cell with only 3 scouts and practically no using of datas, which penalized the club a lot in modern football ( a lot of bust transfer). So the Textor takeover as president has been accelerated to help changing the club mentality and organization quicker in order to stay relevant in modern football for the future.
Thanks!
Note: Seattle Sounders were not founded in 2007. They were founded in 1974 and played in the original NASL and a ton of other leagues before joining MLS.
Thank you very much for the video! Have a great weekend! 🙏🌤️
rocking that Austria Jersey!! also fantastic video… greetings from Vienna :)
That 8-1 thrashing of City is definitely one of my fondest memories as a Boro fan. Carling Cup win, european run, and the FA cup run where we beat United and Tottenham will always hold a special place.
For legal reasons I will agree with you that your channel is just satire (but we all know that in reality your content is nothing short but amazing analysis!)
Thank you so much for all the hard work!
My club Leicester, we love our owners and they also own Oh leuven.
I think we loaned some players and such but seems like both clubs are independent and not too close.
You're doing the lord's work! One my favorite football yotubers out there!
Keep doing what you're doing.
Thank you for these vids. As an American with very baseline knowledge of European club football, these topics are always very informative.
as an austrian, i got very excited when i saw the kit you are wearing. :()
Baking powder is far more popular in the football world than I thought! Strange that the authorities take such interest in aspiring bakers.
If it takes you a long time to prep a video I listen to while I eat while I open packs in FC 24, take my thumbs up brother.
Not surprised that pretty soon, we may soon see a chart on football ownership similar to that of vehicle brands / FCMG ownership where 1 brand / company owns several other brands
Very very good video man. Shout out from Strasbourg.
Just imagine your club is brought by someone else. Instead of growing a team or improving them to win trophies they use it as feeder club. So whenever you have a good squad that can make you win a parent club will come and take away.
Just imagine if big clubs like AC Milan or Inter Milan or few big Brazilian club are brought under such and treated as a feeder club you will not love it.
Allow mco but make a strict rule because we all know they are doing this to get more talented players due to which they start poaching all talented players like Chelsea did in January last year poaching highly talented young Brazilian talents.
But City's sister club have been relatively successful. Girona, New York City, Melbourne City and Yokohama Marinos all have decent success.
You can’t just ‘take away’ football players. A fair market price must be paid, so those sister clubs make a huge profit on players they would most likely never even own without being part of a group
@@carstenkoning5276plus they probably gonna move to another bigger club for better benefit anyway
@@carstenkoning5276yeah but if they are from the same owner it’s a problem. As an example if city brought a player from girona and normally he would only cost 15 million but city pays 25 million. Even if they could get him for 20 million. Because of the overpaying girona gets more money only because they are in the same group. This can be used in other examples like player trading and could be seen as braking the fair trade in football
You deserve all the recognition in the world for making these awesome videos :)
I appreciate the effort you put into videos like this my brother. Keep grinding, only big things for you ahead 💪🏿👏🏿🙏🏿
New to the channel just wanted to say well done, this is a really great video, informative and factual. Thanks!
25:02 I thought you would mention Brighton and Union SG here because Tony bloom and to sell a chunk of his stake in Union after they qualified for a UEFA competition
3:40 Networking😁👍
With all the money that pumped into the top clubs during the 90s and 00s, this kinda process feels like the only way to compete with the top clubs now.
If they follow the way CFG and RB process, we see that they’re actually improving all their clubs, small clubs included. No club outside the top 3 has even challenged in laliga until Girona came along, isn’t it good to have extra competition?
If we’re gonna allow teams like Real Madrid, Man Utd, Barca etc to hoard all their wealth then what other methods are there for smaller teams to challenge
The satire line got me good 😂 keep up the good work 👍
Thank you for the best footballchanel on TH-cam. Keep on keeping on bro
I’m a Monster man myself. Could you imagine if there were Monster F1 and Football teams? The rivalry would be hilarious
The best channel with soccer stories,Tinashe does not miss😂
awesome content. you "uncovered" a lot of criminals & shed light on many of their "illegal & unethical" activities.
New to your channel mate. Excellent content in the footballs sphere, especially after finding my former regular channels getting stale. Cheers!
Please tell me that i'm not the only one who feels that football is really not the same anymore😕
in big leagues in scotland is fine and in asia its fine
U hv grown thats simple
@@Zazu901Not really it just had a landslide shift in the late 2000s
Because you're not a child anymore, nothing will feel the same as it was when your older
It’s changed as you grow older
Loved this! So happy I discovered your channel!
Love it, that you wear a Österreich Shirt.
The big question about 777 is what is the source of their funds.
I can see MCOs being used to circumvent FFP and further ensure that the current big clubs remain that way.
Can we just appreciate that my guy puts out a 30 minute video on something that don’t get talked about enough and neither guarantee views, give this man an applaud❤️👏
Do a vid on Klopp and Xavi as they are leaving their respective clubs and it’s sad to see them go.😢😢😢
Only Klopp. Xavi hasn’t done shit as a coach.
@@peecon7la liga and domestic cups man come on…
@@peecon7 Pick up the team mid-season on 9th position after twelve matchdays and finishing second (after scoring 4 against Madrid, Atlético, Napoli, Espanyol, etc.), then winning a league 15 points clear of the competition and trashing your biggest rival in the Spanish super cup, for a second trophy, all without being able to sign the players he wanted because Barça couldn't afford them, while in a hostile environment due to a case that hasn't reached tribunals as of today (and never will!), is not doing shit, according to you?
You're delusional.
It's not sad , it's fantastic!!! 😂😂😂😂😂
@@pax1913i can still see it in ur mouth
As a Sounders fan and season ticket member. I would push back on your example of the sounders as a success story for multi-sport. The Alan’s and Seahawks are no longer involved in the club and were always the clear 3rd string in the initial ownership group. The club is majority owned by Adrian Hanauer. Yes, the ability to tap into the Seahawks sales department in the initial years helped avoid the need to scale up operations right out the gate, but they did that pretty quickly anyway. The sounders were a unique case, having been a successful 2nd division side (owned by Hanauer) before joining MLS, and having existed in one form or another for 50 years despite many pro-leagues they competed in collapsing over that period. Combine that with being pretty much the most open and democratic sports team in the US (after greenbay), and some phenomenal marketing from Joe Roth and Drew Carey (the other owners) and you had a special combination. You saw a similar level of success with Portland, despite not being associated with another team, largely due to also being a legacy team in the lower division with a very long history by American sports standards.
Great vid as always and an excellent subjective that isnt talked about enough.
I'm not a big fan of MCO's personally but can see where they can be usual like the Red Bull model.
If i was a Crystal Palace fan though I'd be concerned, i think their in for a shock once Lyon start firing again. Much easier to get Lyon into one if the 3 UEFA competition than crystal palace who lets be honest are mostly battling to stay in the league every season.
On a separate note, i know you must be cooking up a AFCON video release for next week after the final has concluded, it will be criminal if you don't 😂😂
Great job man! Thanks for such informative video. It's a bit sad to see that everything goes around for money. But it's still a beautiful game so let's at least enjoy it 😐
omgg that shirt is fire, im from austria and find it awesome to see someone from another country wear it😍
13:12 My man said Formula one and showed a picture of an Ariel Atom😂😂😂
Thank you for the great video like always!
When the cultural ideology is literally pay to win tending towards monopoly (capitalism), why people are shocked that it infects every aspect of the culture is totally beyond me. It's a problem everywhere all across every aspect of entertainment, polotics, trade, equality, human rights, environmental impact, it's not just a problem because Girona happened to score a few more goals and let in a few less this season.
Appreciate the Austria jersey! Love from Vienna
loved the video. Glad to have found your channel
Great vid! Just 1 correction, RWD Molenbeek is in the first devision this year and not the second.
I kinda digg it tho, to me MCO has helped in developing the sport from a broad perspective. Scouting has been strengthened massively which has benefited not only the clubs but players whose lives are transformed instantly.
28:20 I reckon Botafogo did see some extremes. even more extreme than Lyon currently.
I would think the "farm team" sort of system is ok, guys who are not ready to play on the big stage still get some experience on loan to develop. As for the potential to "hoard" players to prevent others from having them, potentially a salary cap or roster cap system might be needed.
7:01 “Let’s see Paul Allen’s teams”
Fantastic video, even though it is purely satirical in nature.
I think you are right in that MCOs have added one more layer of reminding us that sport is merely a business. And while of course that is true for professional sports it raises that awful spectre of them being manipulated and dishonest. We have become disillusioned with so much I think we want at least one escape from perfidious behaviour.
But then again, will that stop us from watching? I despise FIFA, but I love watching the World Cup, and will continue to do so, unless the product becomes terrible. The same goes for the national leagues and club tournaments.
Amazing video again bro❤thank you
hello sir,
Randomly found your video but could you tell me more about the 50 +1 ownership structure as that seems interesting to learn more about
Have enjoyed a few of your videos recently - you’re a cool dude!
As austrian im happy you are wearing the austrian shirt :D
Great video and explained in a way most can understand!
Superb vid ! As a supporter of a definite feeder club, RBNY, I feel a lot of ambivalence about this kind of ownership structure. That said, my team are undoubtedly in a better place than they were before RB came: we use to affectionately lament the team as the most "mediocre club in first-world football". So it is not a case of having nothing to be thankful for with the present ownership.
Again very thoroughly researched and nicely presented.
Big up for this type of content🤝🏾
A thorugh, informative and humerous deepdive into a problematic area in football. The money and resources required today mean there is an inevitability about it, but, and I'm not a supporter of it, what are clubs to do? They could go the route of Spurs and build a £1bn muliti event venue or proceed to buy or invest in smaller clubs to generate the relevant revenue required to seemingly compete...
i dont even watch football that much but i sitll watch all your videos. u have a very nice of stroytelling
sounders till i die! didn’t expect a PNW shoutout this video. gonna be fiftentet without nico lodeiro pulling the strings in seattle
Didn't expect to see my sounders in a football iconic video :D
Been happening for YEARS…but now City etc have got it to work, it’s a problem?
Great video. Great insights.
Can't believe you are wearing an Austria shirt while recording. From the german perspective this is like wearing an Red Sox Shirt, while talking about Liverpool. Or in your case, a glaser picture shirt..😂
Dang, Tinashe rocking our Austria jersey today =).
Clicked the thumbs up straight away - 777 Partners terrify me as an Evertonian.
I'm glad you brought up the Football/Handegg thing.
You see, as Americans we're a cosmopolitan people. We needed words to differentiate the different sports immigrants were bringing in, between Association, rugby, gridiron, Aussie rules and other kinds of football. Soccer became the cool way in the language of the time to shorten "association." As the rest of the world began to know gridiron football as "American" football it only made sense for Americans to just call it "football."
I do understand that being American naturally comes with being more educated and polite, so we try to accept this burden and allow the misguided savages to pound their clubs on the ground and yell- in a strange dialect they call "the Queens English" that seems to constantly use words like "Oi," "innit" and referring to female genitals a lot- that others use a word that isn't their own, which you may find is surprisingly something that is actually done the world over.
In fact, if you get out there you might actually learn there are actually hundreds of different languages with thousands of different regional dialects. If you're going to get angry at all of them for using their own words and try to stop it, you'd have to do something really unconscionably drastic, like building a massive empire and suppressing entire continents for the purpose of collecting leaves to put in hot water, and then blame it on needing to civilize them or teach them about some guy that died nearly two Millenia ago, or some fictional nonsensical plan like that.
Or you could just let people say "soccer?"
In the early days of football even British people called it soccer, but unlike the Americans, they learned from their mistake, same with the metric system.
Who cares man call it whatever you want no need for an essay
It’s not soccer it’s football
@@siplezz6706it’s Association Football
@@sdeepj its football
How long before 2 people each own one half of every derby on the planet
One of the worst trends in modern football is fans of established clubs decrying and blocking any attempts by the nouveau riche to break into the elite. It was fine when they had all the money, all the top players and all the trophies but they don’t like the idea of others doing the same.
9:54 remember kids, football started in 1992, that’s how City are the second most successful team in the “history of English football”
7:00 Impressive, very nice. Let's see Paul Allen's Paul Allen fund
Correction, "why every top club that didnt think about the multi club ownership model before their rivals did, hates multi club ownership"......is much more accurate!
If we assume Man City were just the first to think of MCO, why have no other top clubs just adopted the same strategy? As shown in the video the CFG has never turned over a profit. We can only then assume that profitability is not the aim, at least for the foreseeable future. Every top clubs ownership model is geared towards profit, either through revenue or the sale of the asset, unless however you’re owned by a nation state and operate not as a business but as part of a country’s economic and foreign policy.
@@CFlfc98 Who said profitability is not the aim? Know anything about running a business at all?
Let me help you! CFG Revenue increased by £80.5m in 21-22 an increase of 12.9% the group has assets of £774m and while they had significant a loss in the last accounts, that was due to covid. Group working capital is strong too.
So the facts are they now have operations in leagues all over the world, with the capability to tap into top talent globally. The model was never only a long term dipper or rag spend loads more money than your rivals!
This model allows you to sell academy talent to help finance first team spending and enable the development of young players. Savio being a primary example.
A self sustainable model that doesn't just mean what you earn keeps you at the top. This model goes beyond that!
As for other clubs Red Bull have had similar success just not on City’s scale!
Oh, how bitter you are? We have the best owners bar none, who can run a business and develop it to be best in class. All 5 major trophies in the same calendar year! The only English team to ever achieve it!
Let that sink in!
@@CFlfc98You tube removing my factual posts about the model really substantiates my point. Anti City American platform influenced by the cartel clubs in red!
@@CFlfc98 Er the group secured record revenue - £877.1 million ($1.1 billion) in the 2022-23 financial year.
While it recorded a pre-tax loss of £126.9 million, its clear based on your post you have no idea how to run a business!
@@philc1773 I don’t know how to run a business no. However if they’ve recorded record revenue (pre-tax as you say) yet still made a loss, how does that constitute a good, viable and replicable business strategy for a club that isn’t state owned (i.e profit driven)? And if it is, why has no one else adopted it when it clearly delivers on-pitch success?
The Americanization of English Football is inevitable at this point. You either bar foreign investors from buying teams, risking the quality of talent on the pitch, or you watch the institution change and evolve.
Let’s not act like people are against this tho. We all want billion dollar investments in our clubs the flashy signings and excitement that comes with it. The only reason Chelsea fans hate Boehly is because of how bad the team is, not because he’s spending money on them.
Great video as always 🫡👊🏿
fantastic work once again. Thank you for the education in the details of this topic. If Im to be honest, in a hypothetical fantasy I would love to own a Successful football club in the future and with that hat on, the potential to set up a network of teams is highly appealing. the reality of it is that you have to run them and keep them afloat so i feel as though, if you are doing exactly that, multitasking successfully like a cooperation, why cant there be a few perks to your hard work?
Thank you. Some of my favourite videos on youtube and I never leave a comment, sorry!
It's still different from when I was a younger boy, I am 20. Or when my dad was a young boy. He played before getting injured at a very young age. He was nowhere near the top of the game but still could have made a career out of the sport. It's not necessarily the MGO's but it's all the "acting" as my dad says. While yes he was in a Romanian team's football youth system which is a lot different from every top league, he says that even back in the day they played with heart and grit and didn't flop on the floor rolling around looking for a foul every time they get touched. Wish that football came back because while the product is still acceptable for many people to watch, it's not the same. I vaguely remember when AC Milan was at the top of Europe with a young Zlatan, Alexander Pato, and in prime Nesta among many others, always making it far in the Champions League and it definitely seemed a lot more physical then than it does now. Hope it goes back to that someday though I do not think it will because the young-to-be footballers are watching a "theatrical game instead of a gritty play with your heart on the line game" as my dad and his father would say.
Amazing man.
Completely amazing
The biggest winners in the current market are the lawyers. The are loving this.
You forgot to mention that Haaland was also at RB Salzburg as well 14:30.
It's clearly here to stay, however I don't think you should be able to own more than 1 club in the same federation, City Group own City so they shouldn't be able to own another club registered under Uefa.
really solid video man
Tinashe what are your thoughts on clubs owned by their fans, such as Barcelona and Real Madrid. Disregarding both of their current financial situations, do you think they too will go on to become part of these MCOs? If not, how would the emergence of MCO's in La Liga influence their dominance?
Good question that is relevant to other football codes like Australian Rules Football. All clubs member owned and have been for 150+ years but how to fight the commercial onslaught and survive?
I am absolutely against the same person/entity having more than 1 club in a continent. I would accept them having clubs in different continents but even so, it is weird.
Owning clubs in the same continent is cheating.
18:16 Although they've lead the Brasileirão for a long time, they completely self destructed at the end of it losing a lead of 13 points to end up 5th not even qualifying to the Libertadores with this result, so the Botafogo fans aren't really that happy about things anymore.
Brilliant upload 😊
America Mentioned. WHAT THE FUCK IS A KILOMETERRRR?? 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🦅