Suggestion for the in-cab maintenance panel/cabinets- put it all directly behind the driver, but allow the seat to unlock and swivel 180 to face the cabinets. I'd lay them out where they wrap around the driver when the driver faces them which should make doing a lot of work on the panels more comfortable for the driver/technician. Also, include some sort of built-in battery backup LED lighting system that's separate from the truck's batteries so a driver can see everything if power goes out. Last bit, and it might be a bit obvious, include wiring diagrams (written in plain English) on the interior of the cabinet doors.
@@patx35 Also, depending on where you're operating, a little "free heating" in the cab might not be a bad thing (so long as it doesn't cause issues with the electronics).
As a retired mechanical engineer who paid for college by working in a heavy truck repair shop, I'm blown away by what you guys have accomplished. Everything that you're doing makes so much sense! Says a lot about you that you're willing to share the issues you've had and the solutions you intend to implement. Always enjoy your channel!!!!
It pays off that Edison Motors does what they know best: build a semi truck for lumber hauling. If they from the beginning had aimed for an universal semi truck, they probably had long been lost in lots of different and in many times contradictory requirements.
I want to see a time lapse montage of all of the cable/wire/hose/tube management! That'd be soothing as hell. Awesome work, and so happy you made an "Everything Wrong With..." video. Can't wait to see a production version!
Been following for a couple years now, and I love everything y'all are doing. This takes the cake though. It's impossible to not have problems when you're building complex systems. Being transparent, and willing to teach and explain the mechanics, design decisions, and pitfalls basically doesn't exist outside of your company. Thank you for showing us all the awesome footage of the build from concept-to-completion, including the troubleshooting, lessons learned, headaches, and injuries. Your enthusiasm is infectious, and one day I hope to see some healthy competition to your endeavors.
As a heavy duty mechanic I’m excited to see these in the field. Thinking about service down the road is such an amazing change of pace! Hoping to see these enter the tandem snowplow space so I can see them! My employer is a HUGE buyer of new more fuel efficient technologies.
Excited to see the next version come to fruition. Also, extremely looking forward to the pickup kits - I definitely see myself investing in a pickup kit in the next 3-5 years.
Resistive load banks still sound like a good backup to have. If you are going downhil and batteries are full (or too warm to accept charge), you could still use the motors in regenerative mode and disipate that potential energy through resistors, instead of using the brakes. I have seen too many trucks in my country that are going 10 mph downhil and blocking everyone for a lifetime 😁
Toyota hybrids use the generator as a motor to spin the gasoline engine without any fuel as a resistance to provide continued braking force once the HV battery is full/too warm. The same could work with a diesel generator provided it has a Jake brake fitted (since diesel engines otherwise don’t provide much engine braking); the e-axles generate electricity as they resist gravity; that electricity spins the generator (which becomes a motor); the motor/generator spins the diesel engine; the Jake brake provides the necessary resistance/load.
@@nkgagne That sounds like a very complicated way to achieve regenerative breaking, to me. What I know is that the breaking power for electric motors is practically the same as when they work in normal mode, which should allow very high and controllable breaking power (hundreds of kilowatts) provided the resistive banks are large enough to disipate that power. This is used in industrial centrifuges as established technology. I really don't know what is the breaking power for Jake breaks on diesel generators, especially since the generator on Topsy is supposed to be specified at lower power than the electric propulsion.
@@martylawson1638 Its called regen ie regenarative braking. High Speed rail is 210 mph train (ie 3 miles per second) with around 600 people on board, retard gradually to a stop and then accelerate again..No Jake brake.. but same idea.. squeell/sreeeeam of brakes to final stop
I watch anything with Rich because he’s some damn positive! Same with those goon-squad boys, Cleetus, Awesome Framers and so on. It’s real energy- not acting.
Dude I love this, seeing you take down and critique your own work, the accountability here! Cannot wait to see if you follow through with the user friendliness changes, though if the track record is anything to go by my doubts will be unfounded
This sharing of information is fantastic, the learning is immense. Showing things that need to be changed and done better does not demonstrate failure, rather it is reassuring to potential customers that your minds ore open and you are not in the business of forcing a half baked project onto them! Well done!
We've had our training on the newer Fiat 500e (which I think they just quit production of) to tell us, that any noise heard is normal because it's an electric drivetrain and not an engine. Any noise that's normal, just turn the radio up a bit.
I’m not one for government subsidies (Bombardier) but I hope the BC and Canadian governments do what they can to work through any regulatory matters that Edison may run into while also promoting innovation. We need more companies like this in Canada. I’m not a tree hugger but innovative companies like this help reduce emissions not paper straws.
12:02 Right to Repair approach in this time that's most wrong (and best) with Topsy. This is top issue in list 😅 because you are fixing problems related to it. It's admirable. You got one more job now, become leader in this and guide others. Some started to follow also it's exciting.
I build prototype equipment. It is very interesting to see things I didn’t see or I thought I saw but in application or use I wasn’t as clever as I initially thought. lol but I am “smarter every day” I build hydraulic firewood equipment.
When you guys went through your cab wiring box it reminded me of a conversation with my fleet mechanics about troubleshooting. I come from an IT background. All network equipment has led lights that indicate the status state of the circuit. This would be an amazing upgrade to OTR vehicles to reduce troubleshooting times and identifying faults. Go look at your Wi-Fi router and you will see what I am talking about.
Looking forward to the version 2.0 ( or3.0?). Make it function first, then form, but once you have done that, form makes it more enjoyable to use. Everybody likes things that work, but if it beats you up in the process it looses its cool pretty quick. Well done gentlemen.
Amen. First make it work. Then make it work so it doesn't need fixing, and its easy to fix when needed. A TV broadcast engineer told me that "you want an engineer that's lazy in the long run, because they over engineer it up front so they don't have to babysit it later on"
Move the cab forward, build a 2 foot deep headache rack with generator mounted across the frame with all electronics in the box. Build it then drop on frame.
I'm assuming for programming you're using PLCs. If possible, may I know what PLCs you are using and what style programming? This is amazing and absolutely fantastic what yall are doing, and it's peaking my interest and making me very excited to see these trucks on the roads in the future being the most reliable, efficient trucks available!
probably not but this is what lessons learned style "meetings" (yes this is a video not anything traditionally corporate but still) finding out what went bad and what went good and calling it a mistake just means they learned it wasn't the right idea
Every decision we make "makes sense at the time" or we wouldn't make it. Its only with the luxury of hindsight that suddenly everything in the rear view mirror looks like 20/20 vision. Think of all the things we'd change if we could go back in time. Its a process. I liked the reversed axle idea. Nobody knew that it would be a future headache. Good judgement comes from years of bad judgement. Carry on Edison. You got this :)
did you see the last video with the axle delivery where they "oops ordered the wrong one" and it just so happens to be the same wheelbase as a Ford ranger (which one of the guys already happens to have) 😂
Chance, I love it all, Keep up the GREAT work... If I ever get my money freed up I will bein investing a large part... Iwluld love to see a Hybrid Electric in a Roll Off truck, I'd buy one for shure...
Air compressor, throwing ideas out there because I don't know a thing about them: How dry is the air going through the compressor? Is it possible that in sub-zero temps there is ice inside the compressor? Whether or not this is so, would a winterised warming kit similar to a motorbike or car carburettor electric warming kit be the solution? Edit 1: With electronics cooling in the cab, would you be adding noise suppression linings and etc to the boxes? Fan noise and airflow noise tends to be higher pitched (check once you've got a prototype rough built) and add noise suppression linings tuned to suppress those particular pitches. Given you're in the cab for a huge chunk of the day, anything to make it more comfortable will help immensely with end of day concentration.
You should also put just a massive resistive load for the case of. You're driving down the mountain batteries full, with a heavy load, and you want to be holding back with the regen braking.
CARL & BYD are building LFP batteries now and in the near future that have a density much closer to today's Li-ion NMC batteries, and a better C rate. So there's hope that you could quickly integrate these new chemistries in the near future. Lots of options in the next 5-10 years.
I've been planning (or dreaming..) a hybrid pick-up truck conversion for a while. Always wanted to do a parallel drive since the new components would be cheaper (smaller motor and no generator) but integration and communication between the two systems becomes more and more complicated the longer I think of it so maybe a hybrid kit from you would be easier in the end... 😅
One word of advice - consider the next "Topsy" you build to be another prototype. You're making major changes to multiple major systems. There will likely be things you discover you did wrong (or could do better) with this iteration as well. Hopefully these changes will be much less significant and you will be able to retrofit them to Topsy2 before deciding it's ready for production.
Will there be a plug in available for the customer version to charge the batteries from the grid? If so would you offer bidirectional power so the truck could be used as a giant battery? Good luck, I feel confident this will be a Canadian success story
Pretty legendary option / opportunity / selling point to have this vehicle able to be used as a battery for 120v / 240v items ( with its own generator, connection points for 120 input, 240 input, and maybe solar input ? ).
Edison Motors: "you don't need engineers" Edison Motors: realize they need engineers help with things like the cab design I get teh sentiment, and i agree fewer jobs need college engineers and more hands on mechanics, but good engineers are hands on people too, but understand more things.
Besides that every “off the shelf” part is engineered as well. By engineers. Chase blames the wrong people for the bad products that are being made by others. It’s not the engineers that are the problem. It’s the people not giving the engineers the right assignments. It’s the management that tells the engineers what the engineers should engineer. A engineer does as told and it’s actually a really nice challenge to build something on a budget. A good engineer that gets the job to build a truck on a budget builds a truck on a budget. The job should be to build a high quality product not build a cheap product. And there lays the true problem.
@@autobootpiloot agreed. bad leadership, bad management, corporate greed, creates bad products. Chase would LOVE engineers like me on his team (I already have a great career, so not looking for a job myself). Some of us crave designing long lasting, durable, fixable, truly sustainable products that last for decades. We live in this world too, we want good products too. we want good cars too.
I thought you'd have more issues to work out than you did. Also, excellent decision to go with Scania. Caterpillar is a nightmare to get parts from when something breaks and no DPF is icing on the cake.
Primaxx would make for a solid rear suspension. It's also a Hendrickson product, easy to work on and takes tons of abuse. Could also go with a Neway style.
I hope you have enough left over parts to build some wild exhibition model. Something that you take to a tractor pull and does a wheelie and it casualls cruises down the track.
Wish I could help you guys with SWX modeling especially sheetmetal and design for manufacturing! I'm only 104km from Rich taking the backroads, but Merritt BC is a bit of a hike, although I'm getting tired of Flatario life and might want to escape this Onterrible, Canuckistan situation sooner or later... if the Edison & Deboss teams are together in Dunnville feel free to contact me and I'll take you on a tour of the fabrication shop I work at just outside Kitchener 👍 Keep up the great work ya filthy animals!
9:23 don’t feel bad i have seen multi million dollar pieces of equipment with the exact same thing. Literally whoever gets their first gets the right of way. Low production numbers in the hundreds are so hard to streamline. NOV minimum Only 6 in CA If you know you know
Could all your electrical cupboards have an automatic power cut out on the door handle and a power on inside the cupboard for the technician who needs to work on things. Owner's friends and relatives will most likely want to have a look at the workings. And with a curious finger saying, 'What does this do?' Well, you get the idea.
Such a shame your based in Canada, if you had been in any other country especially in the EU, you'd be in a factory by now running a production line. Nice to see someone being so honest about there product, shame others especially in the electrification industry don't do the same. Quick question have you looked at Sodium Battery Technology? Far safer and greener than lithium.👍
Only possible in the EU with massive financial support.. External financial support has some huge pitfalls. When the momentum is on its way, there will be moment when there will be a focus on cutting down the production costs with inferior parts and such. Building things faster and leaner. There are a lot of comparable companies that showed super results in the start up period, and went bust when the investors came along to collect their interest. Dwindling qc, massive return actions... I think the Edison guys are showing a great way how to start a company in a good stable environment. Don't cut corners and trying to do thing in a orderly, may I say, old fashioned manner! Greets from NL🇳🇱
LMO batteries or Lithium iron phosphate batteries are great, and have advantages over some other chemistries ... but they are still also lithium ion ... there's nothing bad about this! When distinguishing between battery types you can't accurately refer to them the way they were referred to in this video. Just because they are LMO or lithium iron phosphate does not mean that they are not also "lithium ion" batteries. It may seem pedantic (and even some manufacturers mess with the terminology) but it's simply not the case that these batteries are good because they are "not lithium ion" ...
instead of putting the old axle backwards could you just put it upside down and back to front? meaning keep the axle in the “front” orientation but “turn” the axle in the other axis making it “flop” the back to the front? not sure what the protection in that orientation would be but better than having the motor exposed
Especially off road or in tricky places. You can also run 3seats with shotgun seats back and out of sight lines either seat but out of the main making progress arc.
Centre seating kind of makes both turns while reversing blind side, though. Also I don't want my 280lb swamper sleeping with his head on my shoulder while driving. It has both pros and cons.
For the backwards motor couldn't you have just switched two of the phases where the AC three-phase connects to the motor? The motor would have ran in the opposite direction with the same command from the controller.
Why don't you just by a diesel engine set up with a generator from a factory, vs buying a truck diesel engine and adapting a generator and ECU set up to it? I would think that would be a savings and easier on your team
The majors will look at what is proven AND avaiable at scale at a specific price point. As new tech comes out and is proven to be more reliable and cheaper they will flip the switch to the tech.
Cool concept but my problem with Hybrid vehicles is their inherent design is very hard on the Internal Combustion Engine. The constant starting and stopping of the engine is around 80-90 percent harder on an engine than running an engine 100 percent of the time. It’s why vehicles equipped with the auto start/stop feature struggle with engine issues and why smart people bypass that feature altogether. I do believe that Hybrids are much better than pure EV’s for a multitude of reasons. Now you can eliminate the batteries in a Hybrid, install a smaller than normal motor mounted to a generator and still drive electric motors which would require the engine to run 100 percent of the time thus improving the engines life.
Let us all be honest, incentives to go electric or hybrid should absolutely extend to conversion jobs too. Taking an old truck that, by today's standards, is a dirty fuel drinking beast and turning it into a much cleaner and fuel sipping vehicle is less wasteful than building new. This is why I can not take these "green movement" incentives seriously, because they do not actually cover things that can truly make a difference, like vehicle conversions. It is far less wasteful to convert an old vehicle than to build new, and in many cases the old drive train from old vehicles could be repurposed for something else. But no, instead governments rather only reward new builds, despite the fact building vehicles from scratch is still a VERY dirty business. I am so damn tired of all the half measures and excuses.
Could you buy cabs from Scania too? There is bound to be customers who want modern looking truck, Scania cab with front engine hood would be that, and comfortable and spacius place for driver.
What are you getting for MPkWh? My car gets 4 miles per kWh, my 2012 Smith EV flatbed truck towing a 20k lb electric workboat gets 1, and the boat sucks 4 kWh per mile!
In the future, I would love to see a graph with miles per kilo watt hour. And show it for Logging big loads down a mountain, and the snow plow, and an over the road highway rig.
Transparency of this company is truly admirable. Great job integrating the DeBoss Garage "Everything Wrong With.." formula.
I completely agree on both points! 👍🏻
Suggestion for the in-cab maintenance panel/cabinets- put it all directly behind the driver, but allow the seat to unlock and swivel 180 to face the cabinets. I'd lay them out where they wrap around the driver when the driver faces them which should make doing a lot of work on the panels more comfortable for the driver/technician. Also, include some sort of built-in battery backup LED lighting system that's separate from the truck's batteries so a driver can see everything if power goes out. Last bit, and it might be a bit obvious, include wiring diagrams (written in plain English) on the interior of the cabinet doors.
Only concern I have is the heat generated by the gear.
@@smorefirewoodthe HV stuff is water cooled. The LV stuff doesn't produce enough heat to be a concern.
@@patx35 Also, depending on where you're operating, a little "free heating" in the cab might not be a bad thing (so long as it doesn't cause issues with the electronics).
Shouldn't the passenger seat do that? Driver seat can have air ride
Ideally you shouldnt be spending that much time repairing the truck to need a built in chair
As a retired mechanical engineer who paid for college by working in a heavy truck repair shop, I'm blown away by what you guys have accomplished. Everything that you're doing makes so much sense! Says a lot about you that you're willing to share the issues you've had and the solutions you intend to implement. Always enjoy your channel!!!!
It pays off that Edison Motors does what they know best: build a semi truck for lumber hauling. If they from the beginning had aimed for an universal semi truck, they probably had long been lost in lots of different and in many times contradictory requirements.
So glad to aee you listened to potential customers when it came to things like the cab design, steps, exhaust,etc
I want to see a time lapse montage of all of the cable/wire/hose/tube management! That'd be soothing as hell. Awesome work, and so happy you made an "Everything Wrong With..." video. Can't wait to see a production version!
Been following for a couple years now, and I love everything y'all are doing. This takes the cake though. It's impossible to not have problems when you're building complex systems. Being transparent, and willing to teach and explain the mechanics, design decisions, and pitfalls basically doesn't exist outside of your company.
Thank you for showing us all the awesome footage of the build from concept-to-completion, including the troubleshooting, lessons learned, headaches, and injuries. Your enthusiasm is infectious, and one day I hope to see some healthy competition to your endeavors.
Thanks for giving us an inside look at the iteritave process. Can't wait for version 2.0.
I can’t wait to see version 2.0
It’s going to be so great
Love to see hard working folks with integrity getting it done
LOVE The Videos! "Layered like a wiring tiramisu" LOVE THAT! 👌✌
As a heavy duty mechanic I’m excited to see these in the field. Thinking about service down the road is such an amazing change of pace! Hoping to see these enter the tandem snowplow space so I can see them! My employer is a HUGE buyer of new more fuel efficient technologies.
I’m not even a truck driver and I want one haha!! Love the way you’re transparently sharing your journey and we’re all rooting for you!! 🤓🙌🏾
I don’t even have a full licence and I’m invested
Excited to see the next version come to fruition. Also, extremely looking forward to the pickup kits - I definitely see myself investing in a pickup kit in the next 3-5 years.
Favorite company by far! Ordered some hard hat stickers from yall to show my support when im dropping off equipment on the jobs 👍🏼
Thanks man
Resistive load banks still sound like a good backup to have. If you are going downhil and batteries are full (or too warm to accept charge), you could still use the motors in regenerative mode and disipate that potential energy through resistors, instead of using the brakes. I have seen too many trucks in my country that are going 10 mph downhil and blocking everyone for a lifetime 😁
Toyota hybrids use the generator as a motor to spin the gasoline engine without any fuel as a resistance to provide continued braking force once the HV battery is full/too warm. The same could work with a diesel generator provided it has a Jake brake fitted (since diesel engines otherwise don’t provide much engine braking); the e-axles generate electricity as they resist gravity; that electricity spins the generator (which becomes a motor); the motor/generator spins the diesel engine; the Jake brake provides the necessary resistance/load.
Afik, they can activate the jake-brake on the engine and spin it with the generator in that case. More programming, but don't need extra parts.
@@nkgagneAFAIK the original engine in Topsy had a Jake Brake that worked exactly as you described.
@@nkgagne That sounds like a very complicated way to achieve regenerative breaking, to me. What I know is that the breaking power for electric motors is practically the same as when they work in normal mode, which should allow very high and controllable breaking power (hundreds of kilowatts) provided the resistive banks are large enough to disipate that power. This is used in industrial centrifuges as established technology. I really don't know what is the breaking power for Jake breaks on diesel generators, especially since the generator on Topsy is supposed to be specified at lower power than the electric propulsion.
@@martylawson1638 Its called regen ie regenarative braking. High Speed rail is 210 mph train (ie 3 miles per second) with around 600 people on board, retard gradually to a stop and then accelerate again..No Jake brake.. but same idea.. squeell/sreeeeam of brakes to final stop
I watch anything with Rich because he’s some damn positive!
Same with those goon-squad boys, Cleetus, Awesome Framers and so on. It’s real energy- not acting.
Dude I love this, seeing you take down and critique your own work, the accountability here! Cannot wait to see if you follow through with the user friendliness changes, though if the track record is anything to go by my doubts will be unfounded
We do really listen to all the feedback
@@EdisonMotors Thats why when l buy an old semi Im gonna make sure I can get an Edison Kit for it! Love y’all keep fighting the good fight l!
This sharing of information is fantastic, the learning is immense. Showing things that need to be changed and done better does not demonstrate failure, rather it is reassuring to potential customers that your minds ore open and you are not in the business of forcing a half baked project onto them! Well done!
You guys are crushing this. Always excited to see the next step in the adventure. Thanks y'all!
i love this company.
Wow… Rich DeBoss is this deep in!? This thing is gonna rock, looking forward to the future.
Topsy is duck tape, and super glue, and it works. The next version is going to be really nice. I can’t wait to see more.
The fact that you built the first truck without CAD is so impressive to me. Crazy, but impressive.
Cannot wait to see the next iteration! Loving your hard work and results.
Good onya guys, Absolutely love the whole concept and I can't wait to be able to order a truck and a ute kit for Australia. Keep it up.
You and your team are simply amazing.
We've had our training on the newer Fiat 500e (which I think they just quit production of) to tell us, that any noise heard is normal because it's an electric drivetrain and not an engine. Any noise that's normal, just turn the radio up a bit.
Do a Topsy cabover version
They shared some render teasers of one
We can do that
@@EdisonMotors that'd be cool and if u can please do a rigid body version like a 6×4 with a lift rear axle for road tripping
With a sleeper in it.
At some point, you should go to lecture at some universities, the students need your help. Love what you’re doing all the way from Quebec.😊
So excited for you guys! Love following you guys!
I’m not one for government subsidies (Bombardier) but I hope the BC and Canadian governments do what they can to work through any regulatory matters that Edison may run into while also promoting innovation. We need more companies like this in Canada.
I’m not a tree hugger but innovative companies like this help reduce emissions not paper straws.
12:02 Right to Repair approach in this time that's most wrong (and best) with Topsy. This is top issue in list 😅 because you are fixing problems related to it. It's admirable. You got one more job now, become leader in this and guide others. Some started to follow also it's exciting.
"wiring tiramisu" really got me good. LMFAOOOO @9:19
I build prototype equipment. It is very interesting to see things I didn’t see or I thought I saw but in application or use I wasn’t as clever as I initially thought. lol but I am “smarter every day”
I build hydraulic firewood equipment.
When you guys went through your cab wiring box it reminded me of a conversation with my fleet mechanics about troubleshooting. I come from an IT background. All network equipment has led lights that indicate the status state of the circuit. This would be an amazing upgrade to OTR vehicles to reduce troubleshooting times and identifying faults. Go look at your Wi-Fi router and you will see what I am talking about.
Love everything about this and what you guys are doing. Keep it up and keep making videos!
Looking forward to the version 2.0 ( or3.0?). Make it function first, then form, but once you have done that, form makes it more enjoyable to use. Everybody likes things that work, but if it beats you up in the process it looses its cool pretty quick. Well done gentlemen.
Amen. First make it work. Then make it work so it doesn't need fixing, and its easy to fix when needed. A TV broadcast engineer told me that "you want an engineer that's lazy in the long run, because they over engineer it up front so they don't have to babysit it later on"
Move the cab forward, build a 2 foot deep headache rack with generator mounted across the frame with all electronics in the box. Build it then drop on frame.
I admire you guys it's exciting what you are doing wish I were young again.
That clip of the truck driving in "reverse" had me dying
2:15
You 2 yesssssss now all you need is good old peg to REALLY test the truck.
To add to the satire of the truck, you could add an ev charger 😅
I'm assuming for programming you're using PLCs. If possible, may I know what PLCs you are using and what style programming? This is amazing and absolutely fantastic what yall are doing, and it's peaking my interest and making me very excited to see these trucks on the roads in the future being the most reliable, efficient trucks available!
Yahoo I'm finally a comment in the 1st hundred 💯 ❤️
Love your guys ❤
Keep up the good work ❤
Win for Canada 🇨🇦
Lock tight for the shake win😂
When is Topsy going to the fully loaded semi truck drag races? Would love to see the show of torque from the electric!!
You call the reversed axle a mistake, but would you have gone to the new dual motor axle if not for the headache of making the reversed axle work?
probably not but this is what lessons learned style "meetings" (yes this is a video not anything traditionally corporate but still) finding out what went bad and what went good and calling it a mistake just means they learned it wasn't the right idea
That’s very true. It’s why mistakes and failures on prototypes are a good thing
That still wouldn't fix the other complaint of the unsprung motor weight. Coupled with the suspension, that's probably not ideal still.
Every decision we make "makes sense at the time" or we wouldn't make it. Its only with the luxury of hindsight that suddenly everything in the rear view mirror looks like 20/20 vision. Think of all the things we'd change if we could go back in time. Its a process. I liked the reversed axle idea. Nobody knew that it would be a future headache. Good judgement comes from years of bad judgement.
Carry on Edison. You got this :)
Can't wait for the pickup systems..
did you see the last video with the axle delivery where they "oops ordered the wrong one" and it just so happens to be the same wheelbase as a Ford ranger (which one of the guys already happens to have) 😂
God topsy is so beautiful! I look for topsy on the road any time I'm up in Merritt bc
Chance, I love it all, Keep up the GREAT work... If I ever get my money freed up I will bein investing a large part... Iwluld love to see a Hybrid Electric in a Roll Off truck, I'd buy one for shure...
Air compressor, throwing ideas out there because I don't know a thing about them: How dry is the air going through the compressor? Is it possible that in sub-zero temps there is ice inside the compressor? Whether or not this is so, would a winterised warming kit similar to a motorbike or car carburettor electric warming kit be the solution?
Edit 1: With electronics cooling in the cab, would you be adding noise suppression linings and etc to the boxes? Fan noise and airflow noise tends to be higher pitched (check once you've got a prototype rough built) and add noise suppression linings tuned to suppress those particular pitches. Given you're in the cab for a huge chunk of the day, anything to make it more comfortable will help immensely with end of day concentration.
Well... The good thing is your guys are going to make something the time to make it reliable.
I hope Edison will offer over the air diagnostics and program updates. In-house programming makes sense.
You should also put just a massive resistive load for the case of. You're driving down the mountain batteries full, with a heavy load, and you want to be holding back with the regen braking.
Since you're designing everything in solid works. You should really make some 3d part diagrams and repair software like cat sis2.0
CARL & BYD are building LFP batteries now and in the near future that have a density much closer to today's Li-ion NMC batteries, and a better C rate. So there's hope that you could quickly integrate these new chemistries in the near future. Lots of options in the next 5-10 years.
Got a bonus from work, was a little upset I didn't get in on the first round of investing. As of today that changed.
Awesome content as usual. I'm curious how much weight will be a factor in the small truck kits.
I've been planning (or dreaming..) a hybrid pick-up truck conversion for a while. Always wanted to do a parallel drive since the new components would be cheaper (smaller motor and no generator) but integration and communication between the two systems becomes more and more complicated the longer I think of it so maybe a hybrid kit from you would be easier in the end... 😅
One word of advice - consider the next "Topsy" you build to be another prototype. You're making major changes to multiple major systems. There will likely be things you discover you did wrong (or could do better) with this iteration as well. Hopefully these changes will be much less significant and you will be able to retrofit them to Topsy2 before deciding it's ready for production.
22:00 Just gotta add a kickass radio
Will there be a plug in available for the customer version to charge the batteries from the grid? If so would you offer bidirectional power so the truck could be used as a giant battery?
Good luck, I feel confident this will be a Canadian success story
Yes
Pretty legendary option / opportunity / selling point to have this vehicle able to be used as a battery for 120v / 240v items ( with its own generator, connection points for 120 input, 240 input, and maybe solar input ? ).
I like the look of the high hood but the i prefer function overlook so lower hood is perfect
Edison Motors: "you don't need engineers"
Edison Motors: realize they need engineers help with things like the cab design
I get teh sentiment, and i agree fewer jobs need college engineers and more hands on mechanics, but good engineers are hands on people too, but understand more things.
Besides that every “off the shelf” part is engineered as well. By engineers.
Chase blames the wrong people for the bad products that are being made by others. It’s not the engineers that are the problem. It’s the people not giving the engineers the right assignments. It’s the management that tells the engineers what the engineers should engineer.
A engineer does as told and it’s actually a really nice challenge to build something on a budget. A good engineer that gets the job to build a truck on a budget builds a truck on a budget. The job should be to build a high quality product not build a cheap product. And there lays the true problem.
@@autobootpiloot agreed. bad leadership, bad management, corporate greed, creates bad products. Chase would LOVE engineers like me on his team (I already have a great career, so not looking for a job myself). Some of us crave designing long lasting, durable, fixable, truly sustainable products that last for decades.
We live in this world too, we want good products too. we want good cars too.
I thought you'd have more issues to work out than you did. Also, excellent decision to go with Scania. Caterpillar is a nightmare to get parts from when something breaks and no DPF is icing on the cake.
Primaxx would make for a solid rear suspension. It's also a Hendrickson product, easy to work on and takes tons of abuse. Could also go with a Neway style.
Prototype - first prove it works. THEN make it pretty and well organized.
still waiting on that pickup conversion. Ram is going to be competition now.
I can't wait until I can buy one of your conversations
I hope you have enough left over parts to build some wild exhibition model. Something that you take to a tractor pull and does a wheelie and it casualls cruises down the track.
With how much trouble people are having with DPF, I'm surprised Scania isn't more popular in North America.
Dude I want to put this system into a school bus/ motor home conversion!!
All my truck driving friends here in Norway prefer Scania, reliable and very efficient engines. And they have a very professional service department.
Wish I could help you guys with SWX modeling especially sheetmetal and design for manufacturing! I'm only 104km from Rich taking the backroads, but Merritt BC is a bit of a hike, although I'm getting tired of Flatario life and might want to escape this Onterrible, Canuckistan situation sooner or later... if the Edison & Deboss teams are together in Dunnville feel free to contact me and I'll take you on a tour of the fabrication shop I work at just outside Kitchener 👍 Keep up the great work ya filthy animals!
9:23 don’t feel bad i have seen multi million dollar pieces of equipment with the exact same thing. Literally whoever gets their first gets the right of way.
Low production numbers in the hundreds are so hard to streamline.
NOV minimum
Only 6 in CA
If you know you know
Could all your electrical cupboards have an automatic power cut out on the door handle and a power on inside the cupboard for the technician who needs to work on things.
Owner's friends and relatives will most likely want to have a look at the workings. And with a curious finger saying, 'What does this do?' Well, you get the idea.
They said they where putting all the high voltage in sealed boxes that require extra effort to open.
Such a shame your based in Canada, if you had been in any other country especially in the EU, you'd be in a factory by now running a production line. Nice to see someone being so honest about there product, shame others especially in the electrification industry don't do the same. Quick question have you looked at Sodium Battery Technology? Far safer and greener than lithium.👍
Only possible in the EU with massive financial support.. External financial support has some huge pitfalls. When the momentum is on its way, there will be moment when there will be a focus on cutting down the production costs with inferior parts and such. Building things faster and leaner. There are a lot of comparable companies that showed super results in the start up period, and went bust when the investors came along to collect their interest. Dwindling qc, massive return actions... I think the Edison guys are showing a great way how to start a company in a good stable environment. Don't cut corners and trying to do thing in a orderly, may I say, old fashioned manner! Greets from NL🇳🇱
I would like to put this in my car carrier. Not for fuel savings, to get rid of paccar and have plenty of power to roller coaster over the hills.
"Once you've built it, everything's perfect"
Never miss a chance to throw shade at Tesla
LMO batteries or Lithium iron phosphate batteries are great, and have advantages over some other chemistries ... but they are still also lithium ion ... there's nothing bad about this! When distinguishing between battery types you can't accurately refer to them the way they were referred to in this video. Just because they are LMO or lithium iron phosphate does not mean that they are not also "lithium ion" batteries. It may seem pedantic (and even some manufacturers mess with the terminology) but it's simply not the case that these batteries are good because they are "not lithium ion" ...
Is investment / purchasing stocks still waiting on approval or is it up and running?
Are you going to have a 240v AC out put in the next build ?
instead of putting the old axle backwards could you just put it upside down and back to front? meaning keep the axle in the “front” orientation but “turn” the axle in the other axis making it “flop” the back to the front? not sure what the protection in that orientation would be but better than having the motor exposed
I feel like Topsy deserves new axels at least :)
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those are some loooong frame rails lol
What are you naming your next truck though? I'm curious about that
people who hate center seating just have never used i and don't understand how great it is.
Especially off road or in tricky places.
You can also run 3seats with shotgun seats back and out of sight lines either seat but out of the main making progress arc.
Centre seating kind of makes both turns while reversing blind side, though. Also I don't want my 280lb swamper sleeping with his head on my shoulder while driving. It has both pros and cons.
For the backwards motor couldn't you have just switched two of the phases where the AC three-phase connects to the motor? The motor would have ran in the opposite direction with the same command from the controller.
The first 12:30 minutes of the video had terrible audio. plz put a mic on each person when interviewing like that for better audio. thnx
Why don't you just by a diesel engine set up with a generator from a factory, vs buying a truck diesel engine and adapting a generator and ECU set up to it?
I would think that would be a savings and easier on your team
Thank you for knowing there are more options out there than just li-ion. I think that's the biggest mistake The Bigger Manufacturers™ are making.
..certainly far from the only mistake they're making lol
The majors will look at what is proven AND avaiable at scale at a specific price point. As new tech comes out and is proven to be more reliable and cheaper they will flip the switch to the tech.
They have lithium-ion now as well. Just a different kind of lithium-ion.
Fire risk of having everything in the Cab? Just give the guy time to get out. :)
Are they a master shut off outside and indide for a fire? Fire surpresent system to protect the driver?
is the next trucks will be publicly presented or costumers don't want to?
Cool concept but my problem with Hybrid vehicles is their inherent design is very hard on the Internal Combustion Engine. The constant starting and stopping of the engine is around 80-90 percent harder on an engine than running an engine 100 percent of the time. It’s why vehicles equipped with the auto start/stop feature struggle with engine issues and why smart people bypass that feature altogether. I do believe that Hybrids are much better than pure EV’s for a multitude of reasons. Now you can eliminate the batteries in a Hybrid, install a smaller than normal motor mounted to a generator and still drive electric motors which would require the engine to run 100 percent of the time thus improving the engines life.
That is a legitimate observation. I hope a few years from now we'll have another Edison "Whats wrong" video and we can all get a status update
Sorry to say I'm old and can't support you financially. Really like what you are doing!!
historically this kind of approach to building leads to a Generation 25 which is completely different from gen1
looking forward to the journey. keep up the good work
Let us all be honest, incentives to go electric or hybrid should absolutely extend to conversion jobs too. Taking an old truck that, by today's standards, is a dirty fuel drinking beast and turning it into a much cleaner and fuel sipping vehicle is less wasteful than building new. This is why I can not take these "green movement" incentives seriously, because they do not actually cover things that can truly make a difference, like vehicle conversions. It is far less wasteful to convert an old vehicle than to build new, and in many cases the old drive train from old vehicles could be repurposed for something else. But no, instead governments rather only reward new builds, despite the fact building vehicles from scratch is still a VERY dirty business. I am so damn tired of all the half measures and excuses.
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Could you buy cabs from Scania too? There is bound to be customers who want modern looking truck, Scania cab with front engine hood would be that, and comfortable and spacius place for driver.
What are you getting for MPkWh? My car gets 4 miles per kWh, my 2012 Smith EV flatbed truck towing a 20k lb electric workboat gets 1, and the boat sucks 4 kWh per mile!
In the future, I would love to see a graph with miles per kilo watt hour. And show it for Logging big loads down a mountain, and the snow plow, and an over the road highway rig.