30-90 Russel Steam Engine Tractor Pulling.... Pro Stock Style!
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- My good friend Jim pulling his 30-90 Russel Steam Traction Engine on the weight transfer sled at the National Threshers Reunion in Wauseon Ohio 2011.
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imagine showing up with some 40,000 horsepower turbojet powered monstrosity and getting your ass kicked by a 30hp steam tractor.
it's probably happened somewhere sometime
It is not the power ist traction
@@reneelenaerts4465 it is also power, these engines can have 25hp at 900+ lbft torque
@@gtb81. I think you’re off by a couple thousand ftlbs there bud
@@SirSpinalColumn just looked back on it, it was about 5k lbft sorry bout that
"Pathetic sled, You think pulling my front wheels off the ground will slow me? It only gives me more traction, muwhahaha"
lol thanks for the laugh.
Good one
While i admit this is a funny comment there is actual danger when it a steam engine goes on an incline or decline see in the firebox and boiler their is a crown sheet which separates the fire tubes and firebox from the water.
If the engine goes on an incline all the water comes towards the driver on a decline it goes towards the front of the boiler this is dangerous because of the potential for a boiler explosion if the crown sheet gets to hot and the water suddenly goes back over it the metal will rapidly cool making it brittle
When it turns brittle all that steam pressure you built it will quite simply kaboom
@@trainfan-ks5hk that's a fair point, but remember these are tractors designed for plowing fields. Not smooth rails with little elevation change
A neat fact: steam engines make the greatest torque at lowest speed! Slowing them down actually makes them pull harder!
Similar to Electric engines
Or a 12v 5.9 Cummins 😂
@@mitchellbrown2233 Electric pulls more current under load and create more resistance when slowed down to the point of near pure short circuit meaning they are limited to the source of power even when it is a wire unlike steam engines or just boiling water that has no way to escape forms explosive pressure that is going to escape one way or the other the only limiting factor is the cylinder walls and is not the heat source..
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That is neat. Look at the Dyno Data, the torque at the start is near infinite numbers!
It was impressive how the operator hung the front wheels barely an inch off the ground, not rotating as the tractor kept pulling.
Interesting thing about steam engines, the slower the RPM, the more torque it produces. At higher RPM the steam is in and out of the cylinder too quickly, but as a load is applied, the engine slows down giving the steam inside the cylinder more time to apply expansive force. The end of the run had the torque climb into the thousands. That one last little chuff the piston made at the end was able to lift the tractor off the ground. One stroke of that one piston lifted several tons into the air like it was nothing.
The most powerful thing in the world nature wind, water and temperature.
just like a tesla, they both need to steam to run. 😎
@@mandytroxel8103 lol
HP: 30
Torque: YES
All of it!
All in a days work. And it'll probably still be running in another 100+ years.
Beautiful machine. Many thanks to the man preserving this working piece of Americana. Absolutely gorgeous.
Thanks for praising this British invention.
Patented in the 1890 by a California grain farmer and inventor named Daniel Best, the steam tractor was originally designed to replace teams of draft horses in the fields, but it soon became popular in the timber and mining industries as a means of transporting heavy loads.
Might be slow. But it will pull the house down.
@@steambom3350
Yeah!!
I think they pulled the whole farm around with that tractor.
Legend has it they used these to change the course of rivers.
steady gets the job done
Build back when nine miles per hour was considered break neck speed.
Absolutely massive, massive amounts of torque! Steam is so rad! Love it!
Aint nothing like steam power! Spectacular,what an engine!
I don't know anyone who can pull a wheelie in a steam tractor for that long
First one ive ever seen, i never though possible!
Throttle control, with an expert operator!
Slow and steady wins the race!
Won't set any speed records, but don't get in its way!
This is a wonderful example of torque over hp
What a FANTASTIC display of pure power! There is to be nothing but respect from anyone witnessing such a wonderful machine at the prime of its life, doing exactly what it was designed to do....PULL !!
Этот паровой трактор столетней давности опустил ниже плинтуса все новейшие крутейшие турбодизельные тракторы с их электронной начинкой !
wow, that calls old is gold. thanks for your video. I ever saw. Thanks for posting this.
Can you say it again in English?
I dont know whats worse, the spelling or the fact ive seen the same comment on other steam tractor pull videos word for word lmao
@Brock Main3 the
He stopped because he wanted to. He was on his way to another zip code!
That's just old school coolness right there
Me: I lost my job and all my future
TH-cam: how about a tractor that looks like a train 🚂 😂
Hope it's not true but if it is heads up when one door closes another opens maybe something better around the corner waiting for you.
Hope your doing ok man.
@@jamesthemotormaniac2807 _you're_ not "your"
30bhp at 200rpm and a billion foot pounds of torque
788ftlbs of torque not including any gear reduction
and its gear reduced like 30 to 1, so, it a literal buttload of torque.
John, at what rpm ? i know every stroke is a power stroke so max power must be low
i did 30 hp@ 200 rpm that equals 788 then lets say it is geared down to 30-1 like they say that would be 1900 max ft lb of torque @ 6rpm
Your math it's a bit off. 788 times 30 is a bit more than that
Awesome engine and a skilled engineer! Great job!
This is held just down the road from where I live! Love being so close and hearing those whistles go off in the distance.
Was this at wauseon?
What a beast! I love those old steam traction engines. There's nothing like them. Hurray for low-tech engineering!
With a steam engine, maximum torque is at zero RPM. That's when you have full boiler pressure acting on the piston.
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Steam expands.
It also goes through a phase change.
So what you are saying isn’t necessarily correct.
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In the older machineries hand books, they show how to calculate the horse power of a spinning flywheel.
But, you are right. Top dead center and bottom dead center can be a bugger. But most single cylinders are double firing.
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Most Steam tractors had double acting piston at this age.
The Toot 💨 toot 💨 🚂
was epic
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tractor "oh ... am i dragging something"?
Its stretching its legs
I know right?! LOL
it never ceases to amaze me reading the comments how many people are commenting on a machine they know nothing about if you listen to it and watch it as it's pulling you can see in here that he was actually releasing the throttle he was getting back off of the throttle he was toying with it that thing had a lot more to go! and he did a wonderful job of setting the front end back on the ground without smacking it that really takes some skill to feather that throttle. and another one for you at a hundred pounds of pressure at 250 RPM at takes three thousand foot pounds of torque to equal hundred horsepower.
It was pretty obvious he was playing around, He could have pulled a few more of those sleds.
The "wheelie" had more to do with the high hitch height than it did with power or smooth operation. At 1:36, you can see the angles of the tow chain. The rear of the tractor is literally being pulled down by the sled weight, which by now, was maxed out all the way forward, and wasn't moving anymore. So all the operator had to do by this point is leave the throttle settings the same, and he'll do a wheelie for the rest of the track.
Not only was the transfer box at the front but the wheels were braked.
Front mounted engine helped keep the frontend down. Would like to see a 30hp Minneapolis w/front water tank on the same pull.
Who's engine was that? Couldn't tell
This video MAY help young people understand how, 100 years ago, steam locomotives could move such ENORMOUS loads.
There's also a slogan for any little 2-8-0 consolidation locomotive.
"Pulling impressive loads at unimpressive speeds." At that time, it was the best balance of locomotive weight, tractive effort and power. Then theres the 2-8-2 with bigger firebox. This only increased the speeds of this wheel arrangement but still retaining the impressive pulling power.
2-6-x locomotive lacks the tractive effort but can go ridiculous speeds with very large drivers.
2-10-x has excessive tractive effort and limited turning radius.
@@kimpatz2189 Thanks for keeping this kind of information alive. A few days ago, my wife told my sister that I'm a trainiac.
I guess I haven't posted my favorite comment about steam engines on this thread: A friend of the author of a book on the subject written a half century ago wrote and introduction to the book: "When we were young men, it seemed to us that nothing could stop these marvelous machines - steam ships and steam locomotives - not hell or high water. Then we got to thinking 'That's what makes them go - hell and high water.' "
Those old steam engines had a re torque from here to the end of time. But you need some time and patience.
In 1980 I saw the Edna G tug boat. 400 horse, it had trophys where it outran 14000 hp diesel tugs in sprint races.
Nice! I was privileged to be a guest onboard Cheyenne in this year's Tug Boat race! What great fun! I have a video of the race here on my channel.
That's one way to keep the crown sheet covered.... carry the front wheels in the air. :-)
Dude, this was awesome. It looked like something tried to take your first shark as bate! Imagine if you had a second, bigger hook on that rig?
Bravo ! for that Russel traction engine...
Impressive. And a damned good operator🌞
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YES!! Carried the front wheels most of the way AND its got a sick ass steam whistle!! ; D Steam rules! lol
LOVE THIS!
here, i will drag you to get more weight for the sled...
Wow !!! Brilliant 👍🏻 not the worlds quickest tractor pull but executed with grace 👌🏼👌🏼
It can go much faster, but pulling it off the ground with that kind of torque at that speed and weight would most likely be the end of the machine, the people around it, and then end of steam engines being used for recreational and educational use.
I think you're gonna need a bigger sled.
Russel: So how much torque do you want in your new tractor?
Farmer: Yes.
Its all about torque and traction.
That conrod in the engine had several tones of force on it at the end of the run, it must be absolutely huge.
No school like the old school 😎
That's very strong engine ✌
Never knew locomotives could go off road, nice.
The larger ones were actually called "road locomotives."
This is where our farm tractors come from and then our semi trucks. It was horse, then train, then steam tractor, then normal farm and tractors and semis
Awesome 👍🏾👍🏾
He was later disqualified for running a Heavy Water Nuclear Reactor.
Actually, a Nuclear Reactor wouldn't make it any more powerful - it's just another way of generating the steam! You wouldn't have to refuel it for about 5 years, but . . . .
Bruce Roger Morgan also cool it constantly for those five years. ;)
SSDeathstar, yes, you'd have to do that too, you can't really turn them off!
@@brucerogermorgan2388 you can slow a nuclear reactor to near-stop though
@@crestfallensunbro6001 Yes, you can slow it down, but the cooling system must remain operational no matter how slow the reaction is, or you will end up with a melt-down.
Someone: its a lovely house but it's in the wrong area.
Russell steam engine tractor driver: hold my beer🍺...
Remember kids, horsepower is just a math equation... Torque is what balls are made of. Ask any Tesla or steam engine operator.
Uh.... horsepower is torque over time. And all torque is is force times distance. With enough gearing you could make a 1.5L engine out of a Honda Fit produce more torque than this tractor... it would just be very...... very..... _very_ .... slow.
The engines I run have well over 3000 lbs of torque each.
But it’s the over 1000 shaft horsepower a side that accelerates it down the runway until it reaches 125 miles an hour in a matter of seconds, then leap off the runway and still _accelerate_ to 200 MPH as it’s climbing a _16 PERCENT_ grade! Then level off above half the atmosphere and accelerate again to 350 miles per hour.
This tractor can’t do any of that. Even if you figured out really really really tall gearing for it because the frictional losses would be far too high. It needs most of that low gearing just to move _itself._
But my engines have been used for all manner of purposes. They’re used for helicopters that sling huge loads. They’ve been used to power locomotives. They’ve been used for sports cars, race cars (until they were banned), snow plows, gen sets, etc
So no... torque doesn’t rule. And when your time is valuable you want power, too. The Tesla has power in spades (a watt is a measurement of power and is volts times amps and is what actually makes the Tesla move).
not tesla
Torque means nothing if it's not moving something.
Steam power is way way more efficient. Had we kept on engineering steam engines, we’d have some crazy machines on our hands. Unfortunately the fuel used to create steam like wood has a far lower energy density than something like gasoline, and has less range because of it. Steam power is badass.
Yes Sir!!
Also when they failed the explosion is alot more devastating.
@@GrumpyIanthat has more to do with 1890s safety culture than a design flaw. We use much more powerful steam engines today without that same fear of exploding.
I wasn't alive for the steam age but I wish I was. Love everything about steam power!
Especially the early years with exploding boilers, shearing rivets at mach speed and boiler cracks that blasted the skin off your face with high temperature and pressure steam.
Gotta love it.
Cool video and a Thumbs Up liked for you.
The British never made a Big Boy . . but the Americans never made anything like the Flying Scotsman! Both countries made excellent machinery for the time and place of work, they were just different.
Big Boy for me ..... EVERY TIME! Jim from AU
Different works... the big boy was made to carry heavy and long, the flying Scotsman to provide a fast service. Its like comparing a shinkansen to an alco.
We Aussies did ok, in my state Victoria,we had(still have, rusting away in a museum..) heaviest non articulated loco in southern Hemisphere, H220.We also had the lovely S class pacific's which were 3 cyl like the flying scotsman, they were marvelous engines, all 4 scrapped rather secretively in the 50's. They ended their lives with gorgeous streamlining.Some other states had some decent sized Garrets (AD60) as well.Some of our later engines are also rather nice, the R class Hudsons very much so, stoker fed and running roller bearings.Many years ago i was lucky enough to experience a main line cab ride at speeds approaching 80mph,which was a seriously rare thing because at that time (now maybe even less) they were supposed to do no more than 80kmh!
If you like locos, check out the ones i mentioned above if you are unaware of them.
Flying Scottsman is a marvelous machine, i road behind her in the 80's when she visited us.I spent much time talking to one of the drivers(Barry Dunn IIRC but it was a long time ago) many years after the event and he said it was the finest constructed loco he'd ever driven, very sensitive regulator compared to our local stuff, first time he opened it he induced a massive wheelspin, even though he was being very careful!
Hate to break it to you but many American steam locomotives were capable of matching a LNER Class A3 4472 such as the Milwaukee Road class F7.
Big boy is where it’s at
I have a feeling they better be production of these tractors again. Way fuel prices are going, im tempted to have one back in the field. May take me 3 days to mow, but at least i have the wood to supply it.
this is unstoppable
Winner of best wheelie goes to steam tractor 👌👌
I had no idea about all of these
It's probably powerful more than most people could think
Jay Leno has a few videos about steam powered cars. If I recall in one he said the car made something like ~90 horsepower and ~1000 footpounds of torque.
@@GrumpyIan
💞 Lovely oldies
Bless them 🌹✋
Anybody else notice that the sled had to put on the brakes after putting on the weight just to get that thing to stop LOL that's some real power
Very cool! Very, very cool indeed!
8000 series Allis Chalmers cab on the eliminator!
Old but gold 😎
So much torque she's doing a wheelie all the way to the finish.
Is this the same Russell that used to belong to the Bunyeas? Sure looks like it.
Awesome appsolutely awesome 🤘
👍👌👏 Extremely impressive!!!
Thanks a lot for making recording editing uploading and sharing.
Best regards luck and health.
What is the gear ratio on something like that?
Nice job
if never been on one . Man theses things where some work horses . yes it took awhile to get them started . an yes they where slow as all hell . but they could pull just about anything
We don't need electric cars we need the smell of an genius made engune
He's playing with it. He could walk out at full RPM if he wanted to.
+Luckystrike You are right... but my good friend Jim is a skilled engineer and likes to put on a good show! There's no feeling like pulling the sled out the end with a steam engine! I've done it many times and it never gets old.
here are 2 factors:the gear reduction 30:1 says and fo2 200 rpm the torque is approx 100kgr.m at the wheels is 3000 kgr.m
Farmall Doctor ok
@@nomon95 how do you know that is torque? Do you know piston diameter, stroke legnth, steam pressure, valve size, is it double acting, single acting, steam pipe size, flywheel weight, governor setting? All of these affects torque in a dig way.
For steam pressure. An example. You will get more torque from 100psi then 50psi. You have know idea what the torque is.
@@timesthree5757 yes y know how is torque.
Is that irish raymond russel?
What a pro
Homens empinam motos... lendas empinam motores a vapor
RIGHT THERE!MAN OH MAN!
redcarpetlounge American abell 28hp
Hey, this is at weasseon Ohio! Idk if I spelled that right lol.
Wauseon
has one of these huge traction engines ever been built with 2 or 3 cylinders instead of just one?
Can't speak about the American engines, but plenty if not most of the big English traction engines are compound twins. This is where the exhaust steam from the smaller high pressure cylinder is then sent to the larger low pressure cylinder. It is not only more efficient in re-using the steam & eliminating dead centres, so the engine can start from any cylinder position, but it also allows the use of a sampling valve to send full boiler pressure to both cylinders when more power is required for short periods. An English traction engine called Boadicea, has pulled a weight of 145 tons uphill just using compound working. Working simple, which she has never been challenged enough to use, she could comfortably pull 250 tons.
Yes there are two cylinder models out there that function similar to the big boy locomotive.
Yes there were twin cylinder engines. However the most common was one cylinder seen here in the video. The twin cylinders were considered 'Heavy duty" because they couldn't be stalled out like the singles. The reason for this is because the singles have a chance to be caught on dead center, whereas the twins cannot because the cylinders are set so that one always has power going to the wheels.
You gotta love it man! Old school tough.
Awesome 😎
Seems we kinda got away from steam technology a little to soon. I say we reengineer steam power and bring it back. On plus side it sounds badass.
No.
Steam is still used in power generation for coal, oil, and nuclear plants.
Truth is these power plants were too limited for ships (which swapped to steam turbines, gas turbines, and diesels), too labour intensive for railroad (which swapped to diesels and electric), too heavy for aircraft (a few early attempts were steam powered but gasoline internal combustion engines and then gas turbines had far better power to weight ratios), and too slow for cars... nobody wanted to get up at 2am to stoke the fire to keep their boiler going so they could leave for work at 8.
Even in the farm industry. These were slow. The 10 or so minutes a farmer spend starting the pony motor and warming up the diesel must have seemed like a luxury compared to what it would take to get one of these going from a cold start.
look at the angle of the tow chain, rather than pulling it up, much of the force is pulling it the sled off the ground. Also clearly visible is how the sled isn't digging in at all, there is no pile up of mud in front of the blade. This is the same thing that comes up time and time again in sled pulls with unusual vehicles.
Now THATS my kind of "drag race".
You won't bate stame !!!! 💪😄
Love these old Engines !
So when Grandma told me she loved watching her daddy pop a wheelie when he ran his steam engine... she WAS NOT KIDDING.
And the torque rating on this tractor is yes, all of it!!!
So im curious, in actual tractor pull competitions with the high tech jet tractors are these steam engines allowed? Wouldn't they just win every time?
Everybody just wants to see high speed Million $$$ machines at the big pulls now. But yes, they would win every time.
The down side of a steam engine is that it's slow, massive, heavy, it takes an hour or two to stoke the fire and generate steam to get up to operating condition, and you have to shovel the coal and manage the fire constantly. Gasoline and diesel are much more convenient, which is why they replaced steam engines for general use early in the 20th century (plus the average farmer doesn't need enough torque to pull a barn for most of what he does).
It's like switching from elephants down to clydesdales to pull a plow.
That said, I love watching steam engines whether in trains or tractors. Beautiful!
These are more or less shown at the end or during a break in the full event as a show piece.
Stack talking 🎶yeah yeah, Stack talking 🎶
Behold the power of steam
this ancient water processor has quite a few pipelines for its age !
is that Russell,the Canadian from 100 years ago? Tommy
Fulton county fair grounds in NW Ohio?
Yep! Wauseon.
Full pull !!!
Next run we'll give it full throttle !!
Basically a steam locomotive doing slow drag.
And to think that we purposefully threw steam power aside for diesel, gasoline, and electricity. STEAM IS THE BOSS AND WILL REMAIN SO FOREVER.
I just feels like wanna push that kind of honk just only once in my life time
Someone: How much torque does it have?
Steam tractor: Yassss!
I wonder if anyone has anyone hooked one of these steam tractors up to a force sensor to measure what they can do.
The sensor would have to be Chuck Norris as a strong enough force gauge hasn't bee invented yet
You'd run out of measurable Newtons.
Yes they have
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Yes they have, some guys rebuilt a 150hp case engine and put it on the dynamo. It read 6000 lbs-ft of torque on the flywheel. Add a 20:1 or a 30:1 gear reduction and you can get some scarry numbers.