you just made my life simpler too, now I know it isn´t worth to wait for AIBs on the 5700XT; just ordered a RTX 2070 Super after watching this and Hardware Unboxed videos. If this card can´t do better than this with a mod, AIB won´t do miracles. RTX 2070 Super it is.
There was a time when people used to ignore Max and Min FPS and just looked at AVG, now I ignore AVG and just look at 0.1% and 1% lows. Because who needs 100 FPS AVG if fluidity is interrupted by drops to 20s.
Yeah, and Vega is actually surprisingly good when it comes to those minimum fps numbers! Often beats nVidia cards with higher avg fps by a substantial margin. not always, but more often than not it's got tighter frame pacing. so far Navi, in this iteration, i don't think is showing those same advantages. it was probably just the brute force overkill design of vega... so many SP's and so much memory bandwidth. couldn't keep them fed fast or efficiently enough to get high maximum fps numbers (and thus averages), but when the lows came it sure chugged through it like a beast.
@@juniornunez7126 massively disagree. All I even look at are the .1%. Whatever number that is when I benchmark a game on my own systems with my preferred visuals is what I lock the game to. Period. I value fluidity over all else. Then how high a frame rate I can get my maximum fluidity at. Then gameplay. Visuals are somewhere way down at the bottom where nice visuals are nice enough to have but not super important if the game isn't actually going for realism and I tend to avoid games that do because they do not look nearly as good even at the highest visual settings as a game that goes for stylized visuals and fluidity instead.
What we learned from this, People that bought the 1080ti years ago got the best absolute deal out of any one. The card is a Beast and still gives most new cards Nightmares. Wish I would have grabbed one instead of my 1070. Ohh well live and learn.
Dude ... Back in the day, we couldn't find almost any GPU at stock. Considering what you have in hand right now, you're not in a bad luck position. I remember the only card available was GTX 1050Ti, GTX 1050, GT 1030, RX 560 ( the puny 2 gigs ) and RX 550. Not even GTX 1060 nor RX 470 was available. The store attendant also try to gouge me with booking fee's.
The 1080 Ti is the biggest competitor to the 2080 Super and 2080 Ti as well by virtue of the fact that nobody wants to pay that much extra for the extra performance you do get.
Adrian Butler The 1080Ti was and still is an absolute Beast Hell a very good OC'd one would match a 2080 Super With a higher VRam ... So vram hungry games would benefit a LOT from it ... Well 8gb is now the best for gaming but at 4k texture packs and higher resolution games are pushing over 9Gb of usage
If AMD come up with beefier memory for the higher SKUs, these could be really good! It appears that these can be a bit memory starved. A wider bus and better clocked VRAM would help I think.
Nice thing is that frame time consistency most of the time is on pair with or better than the 2080ti. Hoping AMD releases 5900XT this year or early next year.
i like the new graph coloring at 16:06 as opposed to the old type nearly everywhere else in the video. The saturation is much more visible and the colored numbers help distinguish the different variants easily on an overview.
Yet _another_ video I've already seen recommended to me by TH-cam. It's getting to the point every video I watch is recommended to me again after I watch it. My list is the same it was 2 weeks earlier.
I'm actually more impressed by the performances of Radeon VII and the GTX 1080 TI... Too bad the first one doesn't get much price cut out, could have been quite interesting...
They weren't supposed to happen, by mistake or design AMD was able to recycle a bunch of sub-perfect Radeon Instinct workstation cards into the gaming market. From what I've heard on other tech videos, they weren't supposed to be produced but turned out really handy for Navi's delay at CES. Quite a shame though, that it was marketed heavily as a gaming card. It may have been received far better as the in-between card for content creators and amateurs/professionals with a start-up.
@@wudntulike2no32 It does, but when looking at the way it was received by the public people seem to have gotten the impression from AMD's marketing that it's a high-end gaming card, and with that come different expectations from what it architecturally can do.
Isn't it fun watching the other reviewers talk trash about the gains from overclocking the 5700 and 5700XT.. I Love Gamers Nexus! 5700XT + Power Play + LN² = *"RX 690 Super"*
IgorsLab is the best. A bit special and of course not that much content than on mainstream sites, but extremely well done tests like detailed power draw measurement, pcb temperature monitoring with thermal cameras or own waterblock prototypes. And an active community you do not get cancer from ist a huge plus
So much for meeting the RTX 2080 and beating the RTX 2070 Super like has been reported by a few other reviewers. This review I trust, you can always count on Tech Jesus!
Tech Jesus destroys AMD fanboys for breakfast. He just made my life simpler too, now I know it isn´t worth to wait for AIBs on the 5700XT; just ordered a RTX 2070 Super after watching this and Hardware Unboxed videos. If this card can´t do better than this with a mod, AIB won´t do miracles. RTX 2070 Super it is.
@@MrCakeBone I mean, you pick best for your budget and games, but I wouldn't buy a 2070 Super when I could save $100 and get similar performance in most games. Plus RIS is a much better image sharpening tool than DLSS that works on a wider selection of titles. But you do you, if you use RTX-enhanced lighting or want the most performance (which, why not just get a 2080 Super then?) sure, but the 5700 XT is still an excellent value for the price it's at. Especially if you're building a new Ryzen 3000 based computer from Microcenter, slick deals to be had on brand new tech.
@@johnbuscher Not here on Europe. 5700XT with Blower cooler: 460€. RTX 2070Super with AIB: 530€. For 70€ I prefer the better card and also with better temps, no problem.
@@james2042 I have the same setup with crossfire 290X's and need neither because as soon as I bought them in 2013, I stuck full cover EK water blocks and backplates on them and watched as my rig silently stress tested with gpu temps of 35 degrees. Noctua fans on the rads helps too ofc.
An AlphaCool Eiswolf could be a fine GPU AIO option you could also mess with. In combination with Undervolting you may can increase performance by limiting the power consumption.
Big fan with a tiny suggestion GN, try to split up your graphs and make them larger if it isn't too much trouble. The current ones are terribly hard to see on a phone. Other than that, fantastic work as always. Nothing but quality.
@@olliveraira6122 8600 graphics only in Timespy, I believe there's only a couple of people with higher scores that aren't on LN2 and they're all hard nodded as well.
Would love to see some Workstation card comparisons for this year. RTX 4000, 5000, 6000, Radeon WX 8200, compared to gamer cards for both games and software like 3ds max, adobe, solidworks etc... I know there is one from last year but would be nice to see a upgraded version.
There needs to be bigger RDNA based cards to come. AMD would just be stupid not to. People are obviously okay with 300 watt cards, I'd love to see a card trade blows with the 2080ti for once
They better have a better cooler for the 5900XT, I think bigger GPU's are coming but they will need cooling. I'm think 5900XT at $600 and 5950XT at $700 or $750. :), OK I'm dreamin'
@@themonkeyking8506 the 5700xt is a 40cu gpu with a 251mm^2 die size. If they could make a chip with even a 60cu gpu with a 384 bit bus with12gb gddr6 and a die size of 375mm^2, that would increase the core compute unit count and memory bandwidth by 50%, which would on paper increase performance by 50%, but even if theres losses somewhere else, say lower clocks, and lets go with 40%, they would at least have a 2080 super competitor. And then they could have a 52cu card with a 352 bit bus (11gb) or 320 bit bus (10gb) which would help a lot since most of the dies would have imperfections and would help on cost a lot. The only question here would be if 7nm is ready for a 375mm^2 chip or if thats too much atm. One theory I have anyways is that these cards are memory bandwidth starved and that this exact card with say a 320 bit bus would perform better.
I would expect a 5% performance bump at stock on any OC models but with the ability to push to around 7-8% with a manual overclock. I don't think you will see 10% on AIB cards without pushing power, thermals and fan speed noise which are just not worth it. It looks like the RDNA 1.0 silicon is about as good as it gets out of the box. The main benefit people will see is lower noise on partner cards.
He just made my life simpler too, now I know it isn´t worth to wait for AIBs on the 5700XT; just ordered a RTX 2070 Super after watching this and Hardware Unboxed videos. If this card can´t do better than this with a mod, AIB won´t do miracles. RTX 2070 Super it is.
Oooo loving those 0,1% and 1% figures in F1 2018, it's beating the 2080 Ti on those figures and in a racing game the absence of stuttering and good 0,1% lows can be critical to your race results
vega 56 under water is pretty practical actually. low temps help alot to extract most of the performance, especially from the heat sensitive hbm2. its far from a plug and play card tho.
I got my sapphire nitro+ rx 5700 xt special edition to 2074mhz core @ 1.126mV and 947.5mhz memory with +50% power @ 100% fan speed, stable for gaming uses.
For those who want to do this and keep it simple, you don't need a fresh install of windows. Running DDU, preferably in safe mode, is enough. Then reinstall drivers and running the reg edit from igor and all is good to go after a reboot.
@@GamersNexus Oh that's interesting, never experienced that, but I also don't own a 5700 xt, just from experience with my vega 64 and r7, it was always enough. I guess I just don't do it as often as you guys. Thanks for all the great content btw :)
I just want a straight clock graph line and as close to silent operation as possible, not single digit FPS increases or necessarily the fastest performance possible.
Nice deep-dive team! VERY useful.👍 I can't wait to mod one of the next gen RDNA cards. I have had great success with a custom cut VRAM coldplate attached to an EK Thermosphere block, and a Koolance universal VRM waterblock in the past. My GTX 760 is showing 1302MHz average, and 1515MHz max in userbenchmark!?!.......96th percentile. 😊 My latest mods are a 1080 Ti Jetstream and a 1070 AMP Edition, and I've managed to de-solder the VRAM coldplates from the heatsink assembly with my hot-air soldering station. Will be interesting to see how my copper coldplates compare to the original stainless steel ones. 😁
If you are interested Igor just made an announcement that English content will be coming with his own site, before that it apparently was difficult for him to publish in English because of conflicts with the Toms Hardware license
This is why I love Gamers Nexus! Thank you for this video and your contribution to the community. Now Im just left to wonder if my "better binned" AE is worth some memory speed or if I paid for an Amy Su signature :)
I really wanted to buy a 5700xt but I found a RTX 2080 selling for 570$ here in India which is a steal so I decided to go with it. (The 5700xt starts at 520$ for the reference design)
It's funny i been building computers since 1997.and i be telling some people more volts and extra oc can make you're computers run worse then mid oc everything even take time to oc everything to max it takes work to get the best-selling. Thank you for the information grate job.
From the 5700XT stock all the way to the top it seems to me the only card with a noticeable difference in performance would be the 2080ti, at what, $1200. From the 5700XT stock and 2080 I don't think most would notice much of a difference without an FPS counter. The 2080 maybe in some games it would be noticed by some, but not enough to make a big case to buy the thing at it's price. For up to 1440p gaming the 2060 super, 5700, 2070, 2070 super, 5700XT, what ever, buy what you want you should be good with any one of them. The one you choose will probably make a difference on what graphics settings you use in some games but the cost will be greater for that so pick your poison.
F1 2018 results -> I would call 5700 winner here -> .1% lows are wildly higher. Looks like smoothest game play with 5700, when OC'd beating even 2080 ti on 4k for .1% lows. Fast paced game -> Smoothness is the key.
There's an old leaked PCB that he broke down that I'm like 99% sure is a 5700xt, it might be slightly different cuz it would be an engineering sample but it should be just about the same.
Memory overclocking is also greatly limited by how much errors are produced, as AMD cards will simply retry and more retries at a higher clock might lead to lower performance.
I've ran a modded HD6950 unlocked, overclocked and with increased PowerPlay limits for years before it started artifacting :( Replaced it two years ago.
This thing will cost 1.26 cents per hour more than a 2070 super to operate at max power limit. That means after 7937 hours of use, the 2070 super is cheaper.
Anyone near a Microcenter looking for a CPU as well can't go wrong with a zen 2 + 5700XT. Save $50 on the GPU when buying the CPU and another $50 when buying a MB.
I didn't plan on getting a new GPU until big Navi came out but $50 off a 5700 XT was a deal too good to pass up. $350 for a $500 card competitor that punches up to a Radeon VII in 1440p gaming (and gets awesome images with RIS). I'll take it even with a blower. Hoping we'll get a nice ITX version of the 5700 or the XT. I'd like to build a Ryzen 3000 super small ITX build otherwise a slick console-sized gaming box.
It will be interesting if there is a workstation NAVI card with HBM in the next 12 months. I doubt HBM would impact gaming though. We seen in the past that HBM is just too expensive for little return on the consumer gaming front. Now that Navi has most of the issues with GCN sorted out (super high bandwidth, but not enough rendering torque), would it be able to really fly with more bandwith and more than 40 CUs? We'll have to wait to find out I guess. Navi 56 or Navi 60/64 might be really crazy if they can get it power efficient. Would something like that benefit enough from HBM to make the cost worth it? On expensive workstation cards it might. In Vega that was not the case, for real time game rendering. Maybe it is now?
Still forever tempted to wait out until Navi 20 or Turing 2 by just buying a cheap af Vega 56 and running it at 242% power offset for a year just to see what the hell even happens, someone's gotta do it, right?
@@Tallnerdyguy I only pay like 15c/kwh so it'd only end up being something like $60 a year extra compared to stock with how much I game these days, plus, it's hard to put a price on something that hilarious
@@Tallnerdyguy 3 hours a day, seven days a week for 50 weeks, 1,050 hours, times that by 200 to get Watt Hours, divide it by 1000 to get KWh, 210 KWh, 15 cents per KWh? $31.50 cheaper than I thought, lol, good thing I checked it
i forgot why i stopped watching your videos and now i remember you stack your benchmarks they may be true but they dont show the full picture just the part that favors nvidia. but it just helped me get a 5700 for 280 usd refurbished i got the kraken g12 i have a couple 120mm rads should be great gonna use my stimulus money to buy a 3600 and a custom loop for my $40 thermal take core p5 lol
Wouldn't the msi gaming x or the red devil be best cards for this kind of tinkering, since they have nice coolers with contact on all of the components? Also, added vrm phases could help.
I'm mostly seeing that on F1, which seems to lean towards AMD anyways, and games AMD sponsored and therefore should have had the access to optimize for their stuff. That being said they're comparable or Nvidia keeps a lead on other titles like Tomb Raider at 4k, so I'd say it was really smart that AMD dropped their prices to avoid being too close in price to a solid next step up competitor. Now if only they'd stop lying about what happened in order to try and manipulate their fans.
If it's still memory starved then I hope their higher tier cards use HBM, but not stupid amounts of it. I suppose if the cost of making the silicon is = or cheaper than R7, they could do the same memory scheme there and that ~1TB of bandwidth should let the architecture stretch it's legs at higher clockspeeds. Speculation for sure, but would love to see AMD make some crazy 60+ cu Navi card with HBM2.
I was strongly considering buying a RX 5700 XT, but after watching this video, I ended up buying the RTX 2070 Super At the moment of wring this comment, the 2070 Super is sold out in most locations. I ended up buying a ZOTAX RTX 2070 Super on amazon due to ship in about 2 weeks.
Can you rest the ID Cooling AIO, they are still making their GPU AIO, as well as a dual CPU/GPU AIO that fits non-Vega/RVII cards They also have the option to purchase the pump/heatsink as seperate parts on their Aliexpress store.
NZXT needs a G12 equivalent to fit Navi, asap! Interested in running dead-quiet & cool for longevity, with maybe a small OC. Not so much going for max OC. Interesting vid tho, thx for going the cheap AIO experimental route.
If you haven't tried already; I wonder how 4 or 6 - 6mm copper pipe heat sink with a 90mm fan, would size up to the water blocking testing you just performed; I have had tremendous improvement(s) with 4 each pipes, on a 6mm U pipes heat sink on Xilinx Kintex K420T chip and no matter how high I crank up the frequency, ( aprox. 524 M ), I couldn't get it hotter than 45 Celsius at; on or about 80% of an 1800 RPM 90mm fan; which would normally be on or about 65 Celsius or hotter. Peace
I hear ya but the noise and heat of these cards makes a waterblock a kinda nice option, especially if your like me and have a loop already. If I had one I would get a block for sure just for heat and noise reduction. Your point is valid though.
@Jason Poole I get that, I just said if I had one I would get a waterblock because I already have a loop in my system and the heat and noise benefits would be worth it. Not that I am going to go out and buy one and put a block on it. Maybe next gen or one of the bigger GPU's coming soon.
I got a NZXT Kraken and a corsair 120mm clc a couple of video cards ago, and I haven't looked back since. For a minimal investment you can run all your cards cool and verry quiet, reduce your case temps and get good overclocks. Not to mention saving on cost because you cand buy the cheaper referance boards that have a good vrm but horrible cooling.
This one is by popular demand! Thanks to all of you who requested it. We want to put this under LN2 once we're back from LTX.
Looking forward to some leet ln2 pouring :P
Gamers Nexus
So I have a WX 9100 and I wanna tweak that. Have you all messed with that card any?
hey steve can test 290 and 390 AIBS on 5700xt
Why does it seem the vram runs slow should it be 1700(7000) or something like or you still divide the number in half
Kept us waiting huh?
Phew, glad you found the same results as me Steve 😅 great video as always, loved the hybrid mod!
The Steves are in agreement.
2 steves 1 cup.
@@Joker-no1fz
I bet the cup contains the liquid coolant they're going to use for their next hardcore overclocking collab.
@@brofist1959 exactly. what did people not get that?
you just made my life simpler too, now I know it isn´t worth to wait for AIBs on the 5700XT; just ordered a RTX 2070 Super after watching this and Hardware Unboxed videos. If this card can´t do better than this with a mod, AIB won´t do miracles. RTX 2070 Super it is.
There was a time when people used to ignore Max and Min FPS and just looked at AVG,
now I ignore AVG and just look at 0.1% and 1% lows.
Because who needs 100 FPS AVG if fluidity is interrupted by drops to 20s.
Yeah, and Vega is actually surprisingly good when it comes to those minimum fps numbers! Often beats nVidia cards with higher avg fps by a substantial margin. not always, but more often than not it's got tighter frame pacing. so far Navi, in this iteration, i don't think is showing those same advantages. it was probably just the brute force overkill design of vega... so many SP's and so much memory bandwidth. couldn't keep them fed fast or efficiently enough to get high maximum fps numbers (and thus averages), but when the lows came it sure chugged through it like a beast.
I agree with 1% lows but I think 0.1% low are kind of useless
all 3
KKool
@@juniornunez7126 massively disagree. All I even look at are the .1%. Whatever number that is when I benchmark a game on my own systems with my preferred visuals is what I lock the game to. Period. I value fluidity over all else. Then how high a frame rate I can get my maximum fluidity at. Then gameplay. Visuals are somewhere way down at the bottom where nice visuals are nice enough to have but not super important if the game isn't actually going for realism and I tend to avoid games that do because they do not look nearly as good even at the highest visual settings as a game that goes for stylized visuals and fluidity instead.
Oh yes, thank you so much. Impresive that you manged to push that out so fast, between all those reviewes - thats why i love you guys!
Why did you make the 2 superscript? It should be subscript, if anything
@@matsigh sure-still does look better in my opinion -sub requires extra work
moment mal... dich kennt man doch hahaha
"It's not efficient, but it's a brute force way to get that level of performance." - Story of AMD's GPU division really.
nvidia: hold my beer
What we learned from this, People that bought the 1080ti years ago got the best absolute deal out of any one. The card is a Beast and still gives most new cards Nightmares. Wish I would have grabbed one instead of my 1070. Ohh well live and learn.
Dude ...
Back in the day, we couldn't find almost any GPU at stock. Considering what you have in hand right now, you're not in a bad luck position.
I remember the only card available was GTX 1050Ti, GTX 1050, GT 1030, RX 560 ( the puny 2 gigs ) and RX 550. Not even GTX 1060 nor RX 470 was available. The store attendant also try to gouge me with booking fee's.
I'm quite happy with my 980ti myself, its still perfectly viable especially with a CRT Monitor
even 980 ti trashes 1070 non-ti when both are overclocked.
@@fajaradi1223 lol I remember when gtx 1050 ti were going for almost 300 at some point
"best absolute deal", Wrong™, it clearly lost on bang for buck, you know, the central precept behind "best deal"
The 5700XT is good value but what I find amusing is that Nvidia's biggest competitor to the RTX 2070 Super is the GTX 1080 Ti.
Except its not. You can't find any decently priced NEW 1080ti's.
The 1080 Ti is the biggest competitor to the 2080 Super and 2080 Ti as well by virtue of the fact that nobody wants to pay that much extra for the extra performance you do get.
I have a 980ti strix and the 1080Ti didn't seem a worthy upgrade at the time. Knowing what I know now, wish I had bought one 3 years ago.
Adrian Butler The 1080Ti was and still is an absolute Beast Hell a very good OC'd one would match a 2080 Super With a higher VRam ... So vram hungry games would benefit a LOT from it ... Well 8gb is now the best for gaming but at 4k texture packs and higher resolution games are pushing over 9Gb of usage
lul what??
Holy... RX 5700 XT WC'd and OC'd beating all Nvidia cards on 1% and 0.1% lows on some tests.
If AMD come up with beefier memory for the higher SKUs, these could be really good! It appears that these can be a bit memory starved. A wider bus and better clocked VRAM would help I think.
That's my take on the situation as well.
Imagine this with HMB2 ... that would really Push performance further
I'm thinking we see a 12GB, 384 bit memory layout for the 5800 (XT).
A 60CU Navi with a 384bit bus should come close to 2080ti perf imo
The memory is already at Max. Gddr6 won't go past 900ish if you're lucky
Nice thing is that frame time consistency most of the time is on pair with or better than the 2080ti. Hoping AMD releases 5900XT this year or early next year.
i like the new graph coloring at 16:06 as opposed to the old type nearly everywhere else in the video. The saturation is much more visible and the colored numbers help distinguish the different variants easily on an overview.
Thank you for mentioning your independent reporting. Transparency is underappreciated brother. Mod mat added to the list.
Yet _another_ video I've already seen recommended to me by TH-cam. It's getting to the point every video I watch is recommended to me again after I watch it. My list is the same it was 2 weeks earlier.
sue youtube. make these monsters pay for what they did to you
when you start making some food then a GN video is published. love eating and watching these vids
I cook the food on my blazing hot AMD gpu while watching.
yummy
I'm actually more impressed by the performances of Radeon VII and the GTX 1080 TI...
Too bad the first one doesn't get much price cut out, could have been quite interesting...
Can't really cut prices, as 16gb of hbm is nearly the cost of the card
They weren't supposed to happen, by mistake or design AMD was able to recycle a bunch of sub-perfect Radeon Instinct workstation cards into the gaming market. From what I've heard on other tech videos, they weren't supposed to be produced but turned out really handy for Navi's delay at CES. Quite a shame though, that it was marketed heavily as a gaming card. It may have been received far better as the in-between card for content creators and amateurs/professionals with a start-up.
@@wudntulike2no32 It does, but when looking at the way it was received by the public people seem to have gotten the impression from AMD's marketing that it's a high-end gaming card, and with that come different expectations from what it architecturally can do.
Isn't it fun watching the other reviewers talk trash about the gains from overclocking the 5700 and 5700XT..
I Love Gamers Nexus!
5700XT + Power Play + LN² = *"RX 690 Super"*
IgorsLab is the best. A bit special and of course not that much content than on mainstream sites, but extremely well done tests like detailed power draw measurement, pcb temperature monitoring with thermal cameras or own waterblock prototypes. And an active community you do not get cancer from ist a huge plus
Jeez, from what I'm seeing that 1080ti evga ftw is a total beast of a card. Awesome modding in the cooling.
So much for meeting the RTX 2080 and beating the RTX 2070 Super like has been reported by a few other reviewers. This review I trust, you can always count on Tech Jesus!
Tech Jesus destroys AMD fanboys for breakfast. He just made my life simpler too, now I know it isn´t worth to wait for AIBs on the 5700XT; just ordered a RTX 2070 Super after watching this and Hardware Unboxed videos. If this card can´t do better than this with a mod, AIB won´t do miracles. RTX 2070 Super it is.
@@MrCakeBone I mean, you pick best for your budget and games, but I wouldn't buy a 2070 Super when I could save $100 and get similar performance in most games. Plus RIS is a much better image sharpening tool than DLSS that works on a wider selection of titles. But you do you, if you use RTX-enhanced lighting or want the most performance (which, why not just get a 2080 Super then?) sure, but the 5700 XT is still an excellent value for the price it's at. Especially if you're building a new Ryzen 3000 based computer from Microcenter, slick deals to be had on brand new tech.
@@MrCakeBone Post this a few more times, mr totally not fanboy.
@@MrCakeBone Nobody cares.
@@johnbuscher Not here on Europe. 5700XT with Blower cooler: 460€. RTX 2070Super with AIB: 530€. For 70€ I prefer the better card and also with better temps, no problem.
Can't wait for the 5900XT! C'mon AMD, just do it already and take my money! 💰
You better get a beefy PSU first...and a fire extinguisher, lol
@@HenrySomeone I had a 290x crossfire setup. The main thing you need is a massive air conditioner lol
@@HenrySomeone yeah that meme was funny in 2011, shut up for once tho
*Spoiler Alert*
@@james2042 I have the same setup with crossfire 290X's and need neither because as soon as I bought them in 2013, I stuck full cover EK water blocks and backplates on them and watched as my rig silently stress tested with gpu temps of 35 degrees. Noctua fans on the rads helps too ofc.
The new colors at 5:40 are nice, but the contrast for numbers makes them hard to read on phone
I hoped on a computer to watch this. Was impossible on a phone for me
So the point is..it overclocks..as long as cooling is good.
Thanks..all i needed to know. :)
An AlphaCool Eiswolf could be a fine GPU AIO option you could also mess with. In combination with Undervolting you may can increase performance by limiting the power consumption.
Big fan with a tiny suggestion GN, try to split up your graphs and make them larger if it isn't too much trouble. The current ones are terribly hard to see on a phone. Other than that, fantastic work as always. Nothing but quality.
This video could have been 10 minutes. The results are pretty clear immediately.
I agree, as usual the content is great, but there is so much waffle about nothing.
And I'm over here pushing 600 watts through my Vega 64 during daily use 😂
damn, my 1070 never even goes above 170 watts. How in the world are you keeping that beast cool?
@@Domstar97 Giant custom loop and a EK Water Block. The card is hard nodded so it can draw way more than the normal amount of power.
@@AdamBrackney Lol do you have any benchmark scores to share?
@@olliveraira6122 8600 graphics only in Timespy, I believe there's only a couple of people with higher scores that aren't on LN2 and they're all hard nodded as well.
Lol, do you get Power for free?
Would love to see some Workstation card comparisons for this year. RTX 4000, 5000, 6000, Radeon WX 8200, compared to gamer cards for both games and software like 3ds max, adobe, solidworks etc... I know there is one from last year but would be nice to see a upgraded version.
There needs to be bigger RDNA based cards to come. AMD would just be stupid not to. People are obviously okay with 300 watt cards, I'd love to see a card trade blows with the 2080ti for once
James Mastroianni they probably can’t make a card that can compete at that level without the price being too high
They better have a better cooler for the 5900XT, I think bigger GPU's are coming but they will need cooling. I'm think 5900XT at $600 and 5950XT at $700 or $750. :), OK I'm dreamin'
@@themonkeyking8506 the 5700xt is a 40cu gpu with a 251mm^2 die size. If they could make a chip with even a 60cu gpu with a 384 bit bus with12gb gddr6 and a die size of 375mm^2, that would increase the core compute unit count and memory bandwidth by 50%, which would on paper increase performance by 50%, but even if theres losses somewhere else, say lower clocks, and lets go with 40%, they would at least have a 2080 super competitor. And then they could have a 52cu card with a 352 bit bus (11gb) or 320 bit bus (10gb) which would help a lot since most of the dies would have imperfections and would help on cost a lot. The only question here would be if 7nm is ready for a 375mm^2 chip or if thats too much atm.
One theory I have anyways is that these cards are memory bandwidth starved and that this exact card with say a 320 bit bus would perform better.
@@alittlelooney5361 AMD will just have to ditch blower coolers like literally everyone else, not an issue.
James Mastroianni Radeon VII is made on 7nm with a die size of 331mm. The yield may not be super high, but they’ve done that size at least already.
Oh yes, thanks for that - that kind of content is why i love you guys!
Why the F* was that comment hidden for a while!?
Really hope i can get the cash together to buy an AIB card of this or the 5700.
Just got my signed toolkit in the mail. So excited for future RX cards and disassembling!
Man your awesome , that’s what I always do because there’s always a - offset from what ever you set
You read my mind. Didn't request this, but hoped for it.
Really curious how much better the AIB cards will be. There is obviously some headroom left on the table in the reference cards.
I would expect a 5% performance bump at stock on any OC models but with the ability to push to around 7-8% with a manual overclock. I don't think you will see 10% on AIB cards without pushing power, thermals and fan speed noise which are just not worth it. It looks like the RDNA 1.0 silicon is about as good as it gets out of the box. The main benefit people will see is lower noise on partner cards.
@@Mopantsu if they come at $450 give or take they're golden
He just made my life simpler too, now I know it isn´t worth to wait for AIBs on the 5700XT; just ordered a RTX 2070 Super after watching this and Hardware Unboxed videos. If this card can´t do better than this with a mod, AIB won´t do miracles. RTX 2070 Super it is.
Sapphire Nitro+ OC up to 2ghz? Yes please.
@@rinhato8453 You people just won't stop even being shown that pumping 50% more power only results in 5% more actual performance.
Oooo loving those 0,1% and 1% figures in F1 2018, it's beating the 2080 Ti on those figures and in a racing game the absence of stuttering and good 0,1% lows can be critical to your race results
These are definitely my favourite types of videos!
vega 56 under water is pretty practical actually. low temps help alot to extract most of the performance, especially from the heat sensitive hbm2. its far from a plug and play card tho.
Waiting for them aftermarked 5700XT cards to decide which to get: 2070S or 5700XT.
The AIO from Coolermaster also fits like a glove on the RX 5700XT ! ( goes for 35-45 bucks atm )
Hi, have you tried it? 120mm?
Asking the same thing. Did you use it on yours?
I got my sapphire nitro+ rx 5700 xt special edition to 2074mhz core @ 1.126mV and 947.5mhz memory with +50% power @ 100% fan speed, stable for gaming uses.
Thank you!!!!!!! Been waiting for this for so long.Imma slap a 240 rad on me 5700xt now that i have seen what you did.
You should try and play with the Memory timings on gaming benchmarks using the AMDmemory tweaker tool
Me: Well, time to go to bed, work in the morning.
Also me: GN has hybrid mod on a 5700XT, what's sleep....?
I don't need sleep, I NEED ANSWERS
For those who want to do this and keep it simple, you don't need a fresh install of windows. Running DDU, preferably in safe mode, is enough. Then reinstall drivers and running the reg edit from igor and all is good to go after a reboot.
It actually isn't always enough. It wasn't for us. We had to manually go through the registry keys.
@@GamersNexus Oh that's interesting, never experienced that, but I also don't own a 5700 xt, just from experience with my vega 64 and r7, it was always enough. I guess I just don't do it as often as you guys. Thanks for all the great content btw :)
I just want a straight clock graph line and as close to silent operation as possible, not single digit FPS increases or necessarily the fastest performance possible.
Nice deep-dive team! VERY useful.👍
I can't wait to mod one of the next gen RDNA cards. I have had great success with a custom cut VRAM coldplate attached to an EK Thermosphere block, and a Koolance universal VRM waterblock in the past. My GTX 760 is showing 1302MHz average, and 1515MHz max in userbenchmark!?!.......96th percentile. 😊
My latest mods are a 1080 Ti Jetstream and a 1070 AMP Edition, and I've managed to de-solder the VRAM coldplates from the heatsink assembly with my hot-air soldering station.
Will be interesting to see how my copper coldplates compare to the original stainless steel ones. 😁
If you are interested Igor just made an announcement that English content will be coming with his own site, before that it apparently was difficult for him to publish in English because of conflicts with the Toms Hardware license
Igors Lab ist einfach nur Spitze! COOL!!!
Hardware Unboxed: Check out these bench results with my new EK block. Gamers Nexus: Hold my modmat.
Finally you cover it! :D
This is why I love Gamers Nexus! Thank you for this video and your contribution to the community. Now Im just left to wonder if my "better binned" AE is worth some memory speed or if I paid for an Amy Su signature :)
I really wanted to buy a 5700xt but I found a RTX 2080 selling for 570$ here in India which is a steal so I decided to go with it. (The 5700xt starts at 520$ for the reference design)
It's funny i been building computers since 1997.and i be telling some people more volts and extra oc can make you're computers run worse then mid oc everything even take time to oc everything to max it takes work to get the best-selling. Thank you for the information grate job.
Steve im shocked you actually listened thank you :)
From the 5700XT stock all the way to the top it seems to me the only card with a noticeable difference in performance would be the 2080ti, at what, $1200. From the 5700XT stock and 2080 I don't think most would notice much of a difference without an FPS counter. The 2080 maybe in some games it would be noticed by some, but not enough to make a big case to buy the thing at it's price. For up to 1440p gaming the 2060 super, 5700, 2070, 2070 super, 5700XT, what ever, buy what you want you should be good with any one of them. The one you choose will probably make a difference on what graphics settings you use in some games but the cost will be greater for that so pick your poison.
Yesssss!!! I been waiting for this. Give us more power!
was hoping for something like this vid. Keep up the great work
Glad to see this video. sucks that it doesn't get the same gains we saw out of vega. I guess it will be a little less fun than my vega 56 has been. :(
I wonder how the AIB cards will be, and if they have more headroom on the RAM OC. I think that's what's really holding the GPU back is the RAM.
Currently waiting on the EK water block to drop, gonna see how temps fair with mild tweaking and a HWL 420 keeping it cool.
Thank you for including a EVGA GTX 1080 Ti FTW3, it really shows how stagnant Nvidia has become at the $750 to $800 price point.
without going full custom loop. Even by watercooling standards no one does open loop.
F1 2018 results -> I would call 5700 winner here -> .1% lows are wildly higher.
Looks like smoothest game play with 5700, when OC'd beating even 2080 ti on 4k for .1% lows.
Fast paced game -> Smoothness is the key.
Is there a navi 5700xt vrm breakdown video on GN or AHOC?.?
If previous reference AMD cards are anything to go by, it's probably overbuilt.
@@nindzamaleta3030 especially if you can overvolt by 50%
@ItsSpeltGoogol yea
There's an old leaked PCB that he broke down that I'm like 99% sure is a 5700xt, it might be slightly different cuz it would be an engineering sample but it should be just about the same.
Kraken g10 mount with a corsair 120mm is what i've used on my 970 and 1070
Спасибо за проделанную работу.
Steve should get a sponsorship from an enthusiast brand of hair care like Paul Mitchel or Redkin etc etc
Finally! Thank you guys :)
Memory overclocking is also greatly limited by how much errors are produced, as AMD cards will simply retry and more retries at a higher clock might lead to lower performance.
I've ran a modded HD6950 unlocked, overclocked and with increased PowerPlay limits for years before it started artifacting :(
Replaced it two years ago.
Is it me or your color correction got alot better
This thing will cost 1.26 cents per hour more than a 2070 super to operate at max power limit. That means after 7937 hours of use, the 2070 super is cheaper.
ItsSpeltGoogol That’s assuming idle isn’t higher as well.
Love it. Reminds me of the old days of cooling shit yourself. None of this pre-done rainbow shit and fancy bullshit
Anyone near a Microcenter looking for a CPU as well can't go wrong with a zen 2 + 5700XT. Save $50 on the GPU when buying the CPU and another $50 when buying a MB.
I didn't plan on getting a new GPU until big Navi came out but $50 off a 5700 XT was a deal too good to pass up. $350 for a $500 card competitor that punches up to a Radeon VII in 1440p gaming (and gets awesome images with RIS). I'll take it even with a blower. Hoping we'll get a nice ITX version of the 5700 or the XT. I'd like to build a Ryzen 3000 super small ITX build otherwise a slick console-sized gaming box.
Exactly what I was wondering about. I searched this 2 days ago...
My Gygabyte 1080ti waterforce xtreme is still up there man! woho!!!
It will be interesting if there is a workstation NAVI card with HBM in the next 12 months. I doubt HBM would impact gaming though. We seen in the past that HBM is just too expensive for little return on the consumer gaming front. Now that Navi has most of the issues with GCN sorted out (super high bandwidth, but not enough rendering torque), would it be able to really fly with more bandwith and more than 40 CUs?
We'll have to wait to find out I guess. Navi 56 or Navi 60/64 might be really crazy if they can get it power efficient. Would something like that benefit enough from HBM to make the cost worth it? On expensive workstation cards it might. In Vega that was not the case, for real time game rendering. Maybe it is now?
Thx steve for trying for us and it is fun to do.......😉😆
AMD now is reporting TBP (Total Board Power) not TDP. Small difference but still ;). Other then that a good video as always.
Vega was a true tuner paradise.
HUB's findings were similar. It appears to be memory limited, a shame HBM memory is so expensive.
What do you think is the sweet spot for undervolting and overclocking? Not an apple fan seems happy setting the voltage to 959 mV.
Still forever tempted to wait out until Navi 20 or Turing 2 by just buying a cheap af Vega 56 and running it at 242% power offset for a year just to see what the hell even happens, someone's gotta do it, right?
And watch your power bill outpace mortgage or rent
@@Tallnerdyguy I only pay like 15c/kwh so it'd only end up being something like $60 a year extra compared to stock with how much I game these days, plus, it's hard to put a price on something that hilarious
@@ripper253 at 200w extra, i don't think your math is quite correct
@@Tallnerdyguy 3 hours a day, seven days a week for 50 weeks, 1,050 hours, times that by 200 to get Watt Hours, divide it by 1000 to get KWh, 210 KWh, 15 cents per KWh? $31.50
cheaper than I thought, lol, good thing I checked it
If Navi had a bigger memory bus, I would suspect performance from these mods would improve by at least 15% on average
i forgot why i stopped watching your videos and now i remember you stack your benchmarks they may be true but they dont show the full picture just the part that favors nvidia. but it just helped me get a 5700 for 280 usd refurbished i got the kraken g12 i have a couple 120mm rads should be great gonna use my stimulus money to buy a 3600 and a custom loop for my $40 thermal take core p5 lol
damn, was hoping today's video was the h510 review
Wouldn't the msi gaming x or the red devil be best cards for this kind of tinkering, since they have nice coolers with contact on all of the components? Also, added vrm phases could help.
The 0.1% and 1% lows of the 5700XT are really freaking good! Way better than the 2070 super.
I'm mostly seeing that on F1, which seems to lean towards AMD anyways, and games AMD sponsored and therefore should have had the access to optimize for their stuff. That being said they're comparable or Nvidia keeps a lead on other titles like Tomb Raider at 4k, so I'd say it was really smart that AMD dropped their prices to avoid being too close in price to a solid next step up competitor. Now if only they'd stop lying about what happened in order to try and manipulate their fans.
Yay been waiting for this!
If it's still memory starved then I hope their higher tier cards use HBM, but not stupid amounts of it. I suppose if the cost of making the silicon is = or cheaper than R7, they could do the same memory scheme there and that ~1TB of bandwidth should let the architecture stretch it's legs at higher clockspeeds. Speculation for sure, but would love to see AMD make some crazy 60+ cu Navi card with HBM2.
HBM2 is not really needed. 384bit GDDR6 is quite a lot, especially if they use 16Gbps chips. Would do 768GB/s which is 70% more than Navi10 has.
Great video. I have a question. Would this cooler work with a Vega 56 normal version as well?
this would be like power modding the vega 64, why not power mod the 5700 non-XT and see if it can beat the XT variant, like the vega 56 could the 64?
The non XT doesn't OC !
@@gertjanvandermeij4265 that's stupid if true
I was strongly considering buying a RX 5700 XT, but after watching this video, I ended up buying the RTX 2070 Super At the moment of wring this comment, the 2070 Super is sold out in most locations. I ended up buying a ZOTAX RTX 2070 Super on amazon due to ship in about 2 weeks.
Can you rest the ID Cooling AIO, they are still making their GPU AIO, as well as a dual CPU/GPU AIO that fits non-Vega/RVII cards
They also have the option to purchase the pump/heatsink as seperate parts on their Aliexpress store.
NZXT needs a G12 equivalent to fit Navi, asap!
Interested in running dead-quiet & cool for longevity, with maybe a small OC. Not so much going for max OC. Interesting vid tho, thx for going the cheap AIO experimental route.
Those 1% lows are amazing on 5700 XT.
If you haven't tried already; I wonder how 4 or 6 - 6mm copper pipe heat sink with a 90mm fan, would size up to the water blocking testing you just performed; I have had tremendous improvement(s) with 4 each pipes, on a 6mm U pipes heat sink on Xilinx Kintex K420T chip and no matter how high I crank up the frequency, ( aprox. 524 M ), I couldn't get it hotter than 45 Celsius at; on or about 80% of an 1800 RPM 90mm fan; which would normally be on or about 65 Celsius or hotter.
Peace
So do you think we will see 16 gigabit gddr6 on the Navi refresh? (Which we know will come because they always do!)
Got to put in perspective, that the very small fps-improvement one gets costs one the price of the cooler/water-block. Expensive? Really expensive?
I hear ya but the noise and heat of these cards makes a waterblock a kinda nice option, especially if your like me and have a loop already. If I had one I would get a block for sure just for heat and noise reduction. Your point is valid though.
@Jason Poole I get that, I just said if I had one I would get a waterblock because I already have a loop in my system and the heat and noise benefits would be worth it. Not that I am going to go out and buy one and put a block on it. Maybe next gen or one of the bigger GPU's coming soon.
I got a NZXT Kraken and a corsair 120mm clc a couple of video cards ago, and I haven't looked back since. For a minimal investment you can run all your cards cool and verry quiet, reduce your case temps and get good overclocks. Not to mention saving on cost because you cand buy the cheaper referance boards that have a good vrm but horrible cooling.
@@Radu93Z Perfect!
Thank you was waiting for this one 😎
I'm hoping for R7 design with RDNA driver. Possible? only AMD can tell.