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Could you contrast this with overclocking RAM on Intel? From what I have heard, faster is better. But why is there less concern with Intel on matching the clock with the ram speed?
Steve is not very good with memory. If you really want to learn something, go to Actually Hardcore Overclocking and watch Buildzoid walk you through all this. He is so good, Steve has him on this channel for motherboard break down reviews.
"we did some manually overclocking, which we've got some experience with, not great at it but pretty good" says the guy that is more technical than 99.99% of youtube.
Dunning-kreuger. The more knowledge you have about a subject, the more gaps you notice in your knowledge and you feel like you know less. Then as you approach elite specialist in your career you approach "pretty good" to "master".
You know what would be cool after that? A memory overclock guide! Frequency/Timing: what is the priority? Voltage: what's safe and how much does it impact CPU temp?
From what I know, raise the frequency to 3600, then lower the timings to as low as they go, with 1.4v being a "cap" for your voltage. Anymore than 3600 will cause a performance hit, unless you feel like raising the Infinity Fabric speed.
RadoMiami2600 oh hello there, my comment was funny looking back on it, didn’t realize that 1.5v was actually the ceiling apparently lol. That’s a good piece of advice though, I do have to warn against tinkering with the IF casually. It can cause a total system lockup, requiring a hard reset.
we have the same as yours duplicate RAM in two PCs, someday down the road it can go in one PC. I was never much interested in RGB before , but it does look cute in a windowed case..
@@joefish6091 that comment was very neutral until you said RGB was "cute..". Just because your inner child died in a dumpster fire, doesn't mean you need to patronize fun and colorful lights.
Tip: sometimes the QVL for your motherboard wont have your ram on the list but if you go to the manufacturer site for your ram, the QVL for your ram will show that motherboard
Didn't have much choices for 2x32 kits for qvl choices for x570 taichi. So went with gskill qvl that had the ram listed. F4-3200C16D-64GVK seems to work with x5950 with little difference if any compared to my 3600 gskill kit.
Ok, so my take away here is that, 3200 C16 is around 100 CAD, 3200 C14 is 170 CAD, and 3600 C16 is around 180 CAD. Difference in performance between 3200 C16 and 3200 C14/3600 C16 is about 1-3% but for 70-80% more cost. The best value to performance goes to 3200 C16 by a long shot thank you, but Steve forgot to mention this.
Not entirely true, the cl14 en cl16 kits have B-die making them able to have very tight timings using dram calculator or doing it yourself. So performance would go up even more. You could compare i1t to the 3800mhz kit with the 1:1 ratio. So your looking at 10-15% performance for 70-80 bucks. Still not efficient but worth it imo.
@@Miggsval maybe you will reply.. im going to buy a b450 tomahawk max and a ryzen 5 3600 but the ram are the real pain to choose.. i find a kit of corsair Vengeance cl16 3200mhz xmp 2.0 xlp or something other strange name 8x2 for just 88 euro... (i don't care to min max the performance) but these will work woth this ryzen? i read a lot of different things and im really confused, some say it will work some say i will get crashes etc.. don't know what to do now.. and i don't want to buy expansive kits either..
@@cristianfatu2088 good choice of motherboard and cpu. In terms of memory in my country 3200 cl16 is the same price as 3600 cl18. Its better to get 3600 cl18 because 3600 ram will make it so you ryzen 5 3600 infinity fabric runs at 1800 mhz which is basically the highest it can go. If you want to best you can either go 3200 cl14 of 3600 cl 16 b-die memory but since you dont wanne spend a lot on ram you can go with either 3200cl16 of 3600cl18! Both wil work fine on xmp settings pared with a ryzen 5 3600
@@Miggsval so at the end this combination will work without any issue at all? Here were i live 3600 mhz rams ar just double in price.. so 150 to 170 euro.. cl 14 or 16 alike.. anyway thanks for your reply, i don't expect it that fast or never 😂
oldish comment but to be fair this is a cpu thats well over $1000 and a gpu thats well over $1000 on a very expensive motherboard and so on, there's a lot more potential than your average system.
@@Bourinos02 err I don't remember what I was looking at, perhaps it was another video with intels 1000-1200 usd cpus and i got it mixed up, or one of those listings on ebay that had ryzen 9s n threadrippers in the 800s+ had me thinking it was a 1k cpu. haha I don't know, that's funny though, it's clearly a $500 cpu. anyways the intention was to point out it was at the very top and had more potential than perhaps other common setups have.
I was just searching tru TH-cam about overclocking my G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3600mhz 18-22-22-42.. bammm notification GamesNexus make video Memory benchmarking 😂
You don't want to overclock in your case. You want to adjust the various timings but leave it at 3600MHz. If you really drilled down into the nitty-gritty then you can mess with FCLOCK etc (see Buildzoid videos) but when 3600MHz already I'd just concentrate on getting to something like 16-18-18-38 or similar.
Haha yeah i was literally typing on youtube search bar.. bammm GamerNexus notification alert 😂 I thought.. This one hell of a data telemetry sh1t going on here! 😂
I think it's DDR related. 20ish years ago it wasn't just speed you had latency to deal with too. Ironically the latency we get these days is HORRIBLE compared to what we got back then, but the higher speeds more than make up for it. I think prior to DDR it was really just a question of ram speed and it had to match your system bus. Like 100mhz or 133mhz. lol
This isn't anything new lol, even back in the early DDR3 days this was important for overclock. I just installed RAM and enabled XMP, didn't care for timings or anything lol.
Bought some stuff during black friday and I sat there for hours just figuring out all the little details of Ryzen 3000 that allow it to run best through Gamers Nexus
Working on my second build but still very new to this all. I have watched hours and hours of videos researching parts and trying to learn. You are the only person who mentioned to check the QVL based on the motherboard! Thank you!
I just realised how beautiful it is to go on the internet, watch a video about pc tech you're really into and interact with hundreds and thousands of like-minded nerds. We truly are living in the best of times, life is good.
Ever since this pandemic occurred I've been stuck at the house and I started from not knowing what ANY of the main components do to now I'm learning about overclocking. I've literally been spending like 6-12 hours a day watching videos about computer tech for the past 2 weeks and it is awesome. I've now decided to build my own PC once prices normalize and deals become more common. I'm building an all AMD pc. It will probably be around 1500$.
@@lisacanterbury6248 Make sure you look at pcpartpicker to get a general idea of part compatibility. PPP also compares prices to help you get those deals
i glad i got my 3200 cl 14-14-14-28 kit back wen i made my zen 1 system quite expansive ( back in the memory factory burn debacle ) But still gonne be amazing in my 5600x system
Customizing Micron-E-Die with the Ryzen Memory Calculator is what I'd suggest to the price conscious overclocker. At least I am very happy with it considering the price of the alternatives.
Yeah, I don't know why he tested a Ballistix Elite with such a low frequency. There's an Elite 3600 kit available which would have made a lot more sense for the video as I think that's the one consumers would be looking at for Ryzen.
I have a tridentz kit on my 9900k, and just changing those 2 timings yielded 2-3% increase across the board, didn't hurt stability one bit tFAW from 56 to 24 and tRFC from 520 to 280....didn't bother with secondary timing before seeing this video, thanks so much
Just OC my ram to recommended settings using the Ryzen dram calculator. I'm using Trident RGB 3600. No errors and working well. I'm sure I could push things a bit more but I prefer reliability. Will test thoroughly tomorrow. It's 11pm right now. Thanks for the how to.
I got two sticks when Ryzen 1 came out, because B die, 1k series getting it to 3200 was a struggle, 2k series it was happy at 4000, 3k series 3600 cl15 on dram calc performance settings... this has turned into such a lottery; CPU x SOC x MB x RAM - all the stars have to align. Still, it lasted me ~ 4 years, so can't really complain.
Excellent video! Very helpful. I appreciate the time and effort Steven and the Gamers Nexus Team put in.. You are very much appreciated. I will try to donate soon. You very much deserve it. Thank You.
I was able to push the Trident Z CL14 3200 to 3600 maintaining xmp timings on the Aorus Xtreme.. I think it's the best bet overall @ price to performance. Just wanted to share that.
Hope other people have better luck with the DRAM Calculator than I did. Its recommended _safe_ settings for my kit nearly bricked my Windows install with how bad the errors were. And yes, I changed one thing at a time like you should. XMP for me for the foreseeable future.
Honestly I'm building my first system and as soon as I started diving into memory tuning I started having suicidal thoughts. Xmp for me, at least until i have more experience under my belt
This eases my mind slightly about my RAM purchase for a new ryzen build. I knew they were kinda picky with RAM so it's good to know i got something that wasn't bottom of the barrel.
@@bigchungus3071 nice! I came from a core i5-750(2.66ghz stock) and I went to a Ryzen 7 3700x. I didn't know they had RAM with 3600mhz getting CL 15. The processor is a beast, enjoy!!
I'm actually surprised how well the 3200c16 Corsair Vengeance does considering it's a 90 euro set. Doesn't seems worth paying 100 euro+ more to get a 3600c16 set for like 3% better performance. Especially if you have a Ryzen 3600/3600x/3700x and are on a bit of a budget.
Just placing this here for reference conclusion is from around @22:00 (watch the whole thing if this if your first time though, I'm coming back for referencing)
Yup but thats more Cpu than anything else if you have 16gb 2133 it would do fine you would not experience any issues unless you have 8gb ram i have 8gb 3000mhz goung to upgrade to tforce nighthawk 3200 16gb
One thing that no one commented is how these RAM timings and speed changes the way Intel and AMD CPUs are being compared. With these changes, the Ryzen appears to land directly in Intel territory, or beyond. Incredible stuff.
Intel is also doing great on 4133MHz Cl17, 3rd gens are doing great in 1:1:1 divider on 3800MHz Cl16 or lower with tight subtimings, but not all ryzens can do 1900MHz on infinity fabric.
I have G. Skill 32GB Trident Z Neo 3600 Mhz CL14 with my 3900x, highly recommended memory for AMD Ryzen! Ironically, the LED light effects on it matches my Deepcool Castle 360EX LED lights as well. I love my new system, very fast and chews through all my apps and games with ease.
This was a fantastically informative video. Thank you for taking the time to make it! There is one benchmark you might consider for future memory testing. Factorio's simulation speed has been demonstrated to be highly sensitive to RAM speed much more so than CPU clock. Upgrading RAM will often result in much higher gains than upgrading to a faster CPU. I believe the command line has useful tools for benchmarking, and the simulation speed can be unlocked to run as fast as the system can support. The game measures it in UPS (updates per second). Many players and the development team keep save games of very large maps for performance testing. This might be a good way to eliminate the concern with GPU bottlenecking and better highlight differences in RAM speeds.
While I agree you should also note that factorio megafactories are very niche thing so it is a bit questionable how usefull that testing would be for vast majority of people. Though I would love it.
@@petrkinkal1509 "Mega" factories may be, but the point isn't to show how much faster the game is. The point is to use something with a clear RAM bottleneck in order to isolate the RAM differences in the benchmark. It's a good indicator of how effective the RAM differences are in workloads highly constrained by RAM speed. It's similar to how anandtech used the dolphin emulator in single threaded CPU tests.
@@michaelkreitzer1369 The problem may be that there is more to it than just ram speed for example from what I know throughput pretty much just keeps gettin better no matter the timings so if factorio mostly cared about the throughput but not the latecy then that would not be necessary representative of other scenarios (now I'm pretty sure fac. actually cares mostly about latency but you get the point).
Thank you for the detailed test. But I was hoping for more affordable and reasonable ram kits like the G.SKill Ripjaws V 16GB Black 3200MHz (F4-3200C16D-32GVK).
Steve is expressing his feelings about this whole topic in the thumbnail, just giving the bird xD As an owner of a Ryzen 2000 processor, I find it's tolerance for memory really weird. And its a Ryzen 7 2700 in a laptop so it's not like I can just check a motherboard compatibly chart. It came with 2x8gb 2400mhz, and I bought a kit of G.skill 2x8gb 2400 for it and it booted and benchmarks ran fine, but games wouldn't stay stable for longer than 5 minutes. So I ordered a Ballistix kit, it was supposed to be 2x8gb at 2400, but I was sent a 1x16gb at 2666. For the heck of it, popped it in anyway. The processor loves it. Still in dual channel despite being 3 sticks in a 4 slot board, performance metrics went up, things running better than normal. So, just gonna leave it at that, as the adage goes; if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
People use "sweet spot" to describe both performance and, separately, value. Getting to 3600MHz CL14 (and rest of timings) gets you MOST of the performance possible from the CPU assuming no other bottlenecks, but there's still FCLOCK etc (see Buildzoid) that can improve things further... as far as sweet spot for VALUE then in Canada it was and probably still is 3200MHz CL16 as 3600MHz CL16 was 50% higher price... 3600MHz CL16 gets you almost all performance, and CL14 (etc) again is more still though I doubt most kits will get you there. Not sure how many are B-die but I suspect the ones that are may not be the best value... how much EXTRA does it cost over getting a 3200MHz CL16 kit that's been tweaked? And how much extra real-world performance are you getting for that cost?
I tried with my 3200 CL14 B-Die kit (G.Skill Ripjaws V) and was unable to get it completely stable at 3600 CL14 even with SAFE timings via the DRAM calculator. It might be possible but I don't have the patience for it. I did see a boost in the Time Spy CPU score though. Went from 9755 to 10309 on my 3700X. Doubt there's enough difference in real world gaming to justify the blood, sweat and tears involved however.
You did not mention [EDIT: all] 1% or .1% lows and they were sometimes at odds comparing them to average game FPS. Thank you for another in-depth review and for showing charts with the low FPS numbers so I could pause the video and inspect them.
@Ace Cumen Not sure it is entirely linked to the memory kit itself, but more to the sillicon lotery as tighter timings are putting a lot of stress on the IMC. That said, most 3200c14 kits are able to be set at 3600c14 manually should your CPU IMC supports it, and will do 3600c16 if not. So while I do agree on the economical stand point, technically I'm not sure GSkill is to blame, this is OC territory for the IMC, nothing is guaranted.
@Ace Cumen I have the 3600 C14 Neo kit and have no issues on X570 using XMP or manually entering timings. Sounds more like a specific board issue than a memory issue.
@@SebastienBrunier Sometimes it is better to set are timing manually than use XMP profile, which cases crashes, but works with manual tighter set, I saw that issue also on X370 and X470.
F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC ?? the Hynix one or Samsung version there are a few hope its same as mine as i need help. also what CPU did you get? book said G.SKILL F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC 2*16GB DS SK Hynix 16-19-19-39 1.35V 3600
@@streamtabulous Those timings Big_Balled_Bill posted suggest Samsung B-die to me. If you're having problems getting 2x16GB of RAM stable you'll probably need to significantly increase your TRFC clock, (550 may be a good starting point and raise from there) and you may possibly need to disable bank interleaving depending on what motherboard you have, you may need more SoC voltage as well. 2x16GB is definitely do-able at 3600MHz, but you'll probably find you'll need to loose up timings quite a bit to get it completely stable.
@@K31TH3R Asus ROG Strix 570x-E Gaming, and its being a pain in the ass to the point I'm afraid to do anything. Basic changes and I get black screen and i mean basic like fan speed settings, results in pulling the battery out unplugging everything and waiting 20min.
@@streamtabulous Which RAM slots are you using on your motherboard? I was having issues like that when I tried to use the black slots (slots closer to the CPU socket.) Also some 16GB sticks are more sensitive to ProcODT you might start by setting that at 60ohm and seeing if that solves anything. (CPU on-die termination restitivity) Are you using D.O.C.P. (XMP) to start your baseline? Also, you might try unlinking your FCLK and running it lower than 1800 to see if your CPU possibly is unable to run the Fabric at 1800MHz. (Although your description of the issue sounds more like DRAM read training issue versus a cpu issue) And lastly, are you on BIOS version 1005?
Man I love your channel and I appreciate all the detailed analysis. I also appreciate that you have a lot of information to convey quickly. However. When you start going over all those little charts, it sounds like an auctioneer at a car auction.
Great video, think this will save me a headache when tuning my RAM. I'm curious, why do you focus on AVG FPS? 1% Lows and even 0.1%, as a gamer, interest me more. Because generally, lower AVG but higher lows = a smoother experience.
I have read in a couple of places that one should be able to get out how fast the memories are by the clock speed / Mhz: nano seconds. If this works, the list should show that there are more nano seconds at the end. I took and wrote the list from 14:20 on the youtube clip. And if you compare it straight away, it fits pretty well. 3800Mhz CL 16 1900 fclock 1:1 :: CL16/3800Mhz: 0,004210 :42Nano sec per circle 3866 4200mhz cl 16 1900 fclock 1:1 :: 16/3866: 0,004138: 41ns 3866 mhz CL 18 1900fclock 1:1 :: 18/3866: 0,00465: 46ns 3866 mhz Cl 18 1900fclock 2:1 :: 18/3866: 0,00465: 46ns 3600 mhz cl16 G.skill TridentZ Neo :: 16/3600: 0,0044444: 44ns 3600 mhz cl16 G.skill tridentZ royal :: 16/3600: 0,0044444: 44ns 3200mhz cl 16 g.skill tridentz neo :: 16/3200: 0,005 : 50ns 3200mhz cl14 g.skill tridentz rgb :: 14/3200: 0,004375: 43ns 3200mhz cl 16 corsair vengeance :: 16/3200: 0,005: 50ns 4000mhz cl 19 hyperx predator :: 19/4000: 0,00475: 47ns 3866mhz cl 18 g.skill tridentz :: 18/3866: 0,0046559: 46ns 3866mhz cl18 gskill tridentz :: 18/3866: 0,0046559: 46ns 3000mhz cl 15 corsair vengeance lpx :: 15/3000: 0,005: 50ns 3200mhz cl 16 geir evo x :: 16/3200: 0,005: 50ns 4000mhz cl 19 hyperx predator :: 19/4000: 0,00475: 47ns 2666mhz cl 16 crucial ballistix elite :: 16/2666: 0,006: 60ns 2400mhz cl 15 g.skill ripjaws v :: 15/2400: 0,00625: 62ns 2400mhz cl 15 g.skill ripjaws v :: 15/2400: 0,00625: 62ns
@Gamers Nexus: There are 2 Trident Z Neo 3600 CL 16 Versions, the GTZN (16 - 16 -16 - 36) and the GTZNC (16 - 19 -19 - 39). Could you tell us which one you tested? Thank you :)
Loads of actual good info. No bs. High value vid from you guys. I'm struggling to find equivalent out there... I want to add constructive criticism... I'll let you know when I find it! :)
Its insane how much ram speeds effect FPS.. I feel like I am 12 again where adding 512mbs ram allowed for a resolution increase and was life changing lol
The ram I bought with my board when Ryzen first came out I believe was degraded from the get go. If I run it on its XMP profile then it causes the system to crash and Prime 95 fails its tests as well. If I run it at whatever the board defaults the memory to then it runs fine and Prime 95 passes with flying colors.
I had this problem but it was because of the Gigabyte easy tune software. I guess it was fighting with ryzen master and the motherboard settings not really sure but once I Uninstalled it I never blue screened since and that's even messing with memory timings and running plenty of prime95
I managed my 3200 Cl16 Hynix to Cl14 with timings tightened across the board (thank you Typhoon and Dram calculator) and every game runs way smoother and without the occasional stutters that I used to get.
@Ayu Natsume yeah but a pentium 4 is crap paired with anything.Overclocking anything else but the cpu would yeild more performance and less heat that a prescott.... Still i rather have a althon 64 than a p4
I was using a Pentium 4 as a wayback to how decoupled the processor was to RAM and so on and with LGA775 you could go as high as Core 2 Quad. E.g. OCing a Q6600 is easier with DDR3 because it can go higher freq to match ratios instead of hoping your DDR2 can go 1066 or 1333 even with loose timings. Back then too I didnt need to worry about Hypertransport or ratios and uncore and just OCed my Pentium 3 266 to 533 with just doubling the FSB -- up until Core 2 Duos and Quads of even the lowest models (like the E2140 starting at~1.6GHz) achieving at least 3GHz so long as you set PCIE, SATA, and RAM freq to fixed. Also since there's no IMC in the CPU itself, overvolting ram doesnt cook the CPU, just the chipset.
Spot on! You can read our minds! Trident z rgb has gone crazy in price here in the uk, but trident z neo is at a good price! Was about to pick the 3600mhz cl16 neo kit for £148 with postage (£128 w/o postage)
Where did you see those for that price? Best offer I could find for RAM was 149 for Team Dark Pros TDPGD416G3200HC14ADC01 which have gone down to 135 since 2 days ago ... typical!
"3200 CL14 is hard to find and expensive in the US." I found that 3000 CL14 may be the best option (and cheapest option), because all mine (4x16GB modules) can run 3600 CL16-15-16 with my Ryzen 3900X and Asrock X370 Fatal1ty Pro Gaming Motherboard combination. Samsung B is Samsung B.
I'm confused. Early on he says that you should make sure the kits you're using are on the motherboard QVL. But, the 3600MHz GSkill Royal kit that they recommend in the video and forum post, Model F4-3600C16D-16GTRG, doesn't appear in the QVL/compatibility list for either motherboard that they tested in the video. Actually, neither the 3600MHz Royal kit nor the 3200MHz TridentZ RGB model are listed as compatible with the Gigabyte X570 Master board (though the 3200MHz kit is at least on the MSI Godlike QVL). They say to follow the mobo manufacturer's recommendations for best results, but then their actual recommendations aren't on the list. So do we follow the QVL or not?
I have the X570 elite GB board and tried the listed QVL Ballistix Elite 3600 C16 kit and it not only didnt work at all, it really didnt work at all. Computer wouldnt even post. Worked with 2 GSkill Ripjaws 3200 C16 that were not listed. So there you go. Just buy the ram and make sure you can return the ram kit in case it doesnt work.
I have a b450 f gaming motherboard and got 2x8 gskill gtzr which is not listed in qvl of the motherboard where as the gtzrX version was listed. However, the ram still works for and supports xmp in my motherboard. The qvl list just means that the ram is optimized for that particular board but not necessarily mean it will work lol. Don't know exactly but just make sure u can return the product
I have the Vengeance 3200MHz CL16 RGB Ram (XMP set in bios to 3200mhz), with MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC motherboard (Ryzen 2700x CPU @ 4.1ghz, in "game mode" in UEFI/Bios, stable...with my thermals, under load it's 58c MAX!! But still thinking of "upgrading" to the 3700x for the 7nm performance advantages..and yes, the motherboard is optimized for Ryzen 3rd gen) and for me, I think this video confirms that the Vengeance CL16's are better optimized with MSI boards. Thanks a million for this video, it's comprehensiveness, and the reminder for making sure what RAM is more optimized for whatever motherboard you may have. Kudos to Steve/Gamers Nexus. You guys are like freaking SCIENTISTS with this stuff and it is appreciated! :)
What we need is a part-combo recommendation so when we go to buy stuff we know what its capable of and what to expect. does the G.Skill neo play well with the MSI pro carbon? .etc.
G.Skill B-die RAM plays very well with that mobo. I have a 450 Tomahawk which is a Pro Carbon without the wifi, bluetooth, and -1 M.2 slot. The Hynix Neo work fine too but overclocking Hynix is a massive pain in the ass. Just avoid the Hynix based RAM and you're good. Or for budget go for Ballistix Sport 3200 with revision E-die, that will easily OC to 3600cl16.
If you buy micron e die, go with 3000 CL15 rather than 3200 CL16. The 3000mhz kit should have better binning (because the overall latency is lower due to the timing)
You would get the penalty of desyncing the clocks. Even if you raise the FCLK. It's the synchronization that keeps it fast. You can take a 3200 CL14 kit and tweak the timings for 3600 CL16, to get the clocks up to 1800Mhz. Or a variation of that. I changed my 3200Mhz CL14 Flare-X kit from 1st gen Ryzen, to 3600Mhz CL16, and really tightened up the timings, because the Ram can technically do CL15.
TheCgOrion what if you have a really crappy RAM that won’t go over 2666? In that case you will get same or better latency, and definitely much better writes and copy on 1 CCD Zen 2 CPU with 1800-1900 FCLK
TheCgOrion my ram will go to 2933, but I would probably have to loosen timings too much to make it stable. Also, according to Buildzoid, even 3400cl14 kits benefit from 1900 FCLK with just 1ns worse latency, on 3200cl12 latency was actually better at 1900 than coupled.
@@igoresque Interesting. Are you saying Just the MCLK at 1900Mhz? You've mentioned FCLK and MCLK. I might have to run some tests on that. I'll probably want to test several different things, since even in games, it can differ from game to game, or app to app. My .1% lows suffered anytime I wasn't synced with the memory. I didn't try uncoupling clocks from each other. Thanks for the info.
I have the same RAM, and the updated Ryzen calculator is saying we can get it down to 14-13-14-13-28 on the fast setting (I haven't checked to see if there's a new version of the calculator where the extreme setting is available). I'm gonna give that a try as soon as I put the 3700X in there.
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Could you contrast this with overclocking RAM on Intel? From what I have heard, faster is better. But why is there less concern with Intel on matching the clock with the ram speed?
Are the only difference between the lpx and pro vengeance ddr4 kits just looks?
Steve is so detailed he’s teaching me things I didn’t realize I wanted to know until I know
Ikr I basically learned scientific analysis from this channel.
@@maxmustermann194 LOL
Yeah but he said the "F" word.
@@nicovildhjarta7402 When tech Jesus swears, you know it's serious.
Steve is not very good with memory. If you really want to learn something, go to Actually Hardcore Overclocking and watch Buildzoid walk you through all this. He is so good, Steve has him on this channel for motherboard break down reviews.
DESPERATELY NEED THIS FOR THE 5000 SERIES
THIS. but steve needs time to recharge battery
edit: he just posted it a few minutes ago.
Agreed. I'm keen to see this for 5000 series too.
That video you asked for is out already 😁👌🏼
@@YaNeK92 link?
@@nich5696 You have internet right? Have a scroll through GamersNexus' channel, read the titles and you'll find it xD
"we did some manually overclocking, which we've got some experience with, not great at it but pretty good" says the guy that is more technical than 99.99% of youtube.
He is pretty right, their memory overclocking is fine for gaming but not heavier work loads.
Follow the rabbit hole my friend. Much more to learn is out there.
he just understands the trrue meaning of dunning kruger
Dunning-kreuger.
The more knowledge you have about a subject, the more gaps you notice in your knowledge and you feel like you know less. Then as you approach elite specialist in your career you approach "pretty good" to "master".
I suspect he is in the 99th percentile and then doesn't realize it.
You know what would be cool after that? A memory overclock guide!
Frequency/Timing: what is the priority?
Voltage: what's safe and how much does it impact CPU temp?
Nick's Stuff for modern ram 1.35v is usually the maximum the memory controller and the ram can take.
@@ICCUWANSIUT Even if it's safe, the memory controller at 1.35V will generate heat *on the CPU* , which may impact overall performance
@@NicksStuff wrong
From what I know, raise the frequency to 3600, then lower the timings to as low as they go, with 1.4v being a "cap" for your voltage. Anymore than 3600 will cause a performance hit, unless you feel like raising the Infinity Fabric speed.
RadoMiami2600 oh hello there, my comment was funny looking back on it, didn’t realize that 1.5v was actually the ceiling apparently lol. That’s a good piece of advice though, I do have to warn against tinkering with the IF casually. It can cause a total system lockup, requiring a hard reset.
My 3200 CL 16 Corsair's are RGB, so that gets me around double the FPS.
Yea but recently rgb has become outdated. Now you have to get gold plated to get around tripple fps.
Jaalan dont forget that crystals reflect light meaning atleast 4x more FPS
we have the same as yours duplicate RAM in two PCs, someday down the road it can go in one PC.
I was never much interested in RGB before , but it does look cute in a windowed case..
@@joefish6091 that comment was very neutral until you said RGB was "cute..".
Just because your inner child died in a dumpster fire, doesn't mean you need to patronize fun and colorful lights.
Yo, and i have rgb cpu cooler and i set it to be blue which means i have -10°C and +5 fps
Tip: sometimes the QVL for your motherboard wont have your ram on the list but if you go to the manufacturer site for your ram, the QVL for your ram will show that motherboard
Always cross reference with both pieces of hardware.
Didn't have much choices for 2x32 kits for qvl choices for x570 taichi. So went with gskill qvl that had the ram listed. F4-3200C16D-64GVK seems to work with x5950 with little difference if any compared to my 3600 gskill kit.
Ok, so my take away here is that, 3200 C16 is around 100 CAD, 3200 C14 is 170 CAD, and 3600 C16 is around 180 CAD. Difference in performance between 3200 C16 and 3200 C14/3600 C16 is about 1-3% but for 70-80% more cost. The best value to performance goes to 3200 C16 by a long shot thank you, but Steve forgot to mention this.
Not entirely true, the cl14 en cl16 kits have B-die making them able to have very tight timings using dram calculator or doing it yourself. So performance would go up even more. You could compare i1t to the 3800mhz kit with the 1:1 ratio. So your looking at 10-15% performance for 70-80 bucks. Still not efficient but worth it imo.
@@Miggsval maybe you will reply.. im going to buy a b450 tomahawk max and a ryzen 5 3600 but the ram are the real pain to choose.. i find a kit of corsair Vengeance cl16 3200mhz xmp 2.0 xlp or something other strange name 8x2 for just 88 euro... (i don't care to min max the performance) but these will work woth this ryzen? i read a lot of different things and im really confused, some say it will work some say i will get crashes etc.. don't know what to do now.. and i don't want to buy expansive kits either..
@@cristianfatu2088 good choice of motherboard and cpu. In terms of memory in my country 3200 cl16 is the same price as 3600 cl18. Its better to get 3600 cl18 because 3600 ram will make it so you ryzen 5 3600 infinity fabric runs at 1800 mhz which is basically the highest it can go. If you want to best you can either go 3200 cl14 of 3600 cl 16 b-die memory but since you dont wanne spend a lot on ram you can go with either 3200cl16 of 3600cl18! Both wil work fine on xmp settings pared with a ryzen 5 3600
@@Miggsval so at the end this combination will work without any issue at all? Here were i live 3600 mhz rams ar just double in price.. so 150 to 170 euro.. cl 14 or 16 alike.. anyway thanks for your reply, i don't expect it that fast or never 😂
@@cristianfatu2088 yes your combination wil work fine :)
Thanks for teaching me how to download more ram.
Torrent or magnet kthx?
Soft ram!! Double your Ram
I know I now have 2 tb of ram thanks to www.downloadram.com
@@Floodbait_117 i visited it for the lols
@@Demertech lol wait its a valid link no way lol
Ten minutes in, and I'm completely lost. I'll have to watch this a few times.
Most tech channels are this way. They blow through content expecting you know know. Few channels actually explain things well for us lay PC consumers.
Know know? Well they do summarise, missy people don't need all that detail.
TL;DR: GSkill 3600Mhz/CAS16 is a sweet deal out of the box in both performance and cost.
Panda - Is that an out-of-the-box recommendation, then? No clues (about overclocking or anything else) needed from the user?
@@bluesonicstreak7317 yes
it is good
Wow, I wasn't expecting SUCH drastic differences with the ram speed and timings... Thanks again for this great video.
oldish comment but to be fair this is a cpu thats well over $1000 and a gpu thats well over $1000 on a very expensive motherboard and so on, there's a lot more potential than your average system.
@@xXJeReMiAhXx99 Errr what? Even if you're talking about a 3900X, it has never been $1000 at any point in time...Unless you're not talking about USD?
@@Bourinos02 err I don't remember what I was looking at, perhaps it was another video with intels 1000-1200 usd cpus and i got it mixed up, or one of those listings on ebay that had ryzen 9s n threadrippers in the 800s+ had me thinking it was a 1k cpu.
haha I don't know, that's funny though, it's clearly a $500 cpu.
anyways the intention was to point out it was at the very top and had more potential than perhaps other common setups have.
I was just searching tru TH-cam about overclocking my G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3600mhz 18-22-22-42.. bammm notification GamesNexus make video Memory benchmarking 😂
You don't want to overclock in your case. You want to adjust the various timings but leave it at 3600MHz. If you really drilled down into the nitty-gritty then you can mess with FCLOCK etc (see Buildzoid videos) but when 3600MHz already I'd just concentrate on getting to something like 16-18-18-38 or similar.
Haha yeah i was literally typing on youtube search bar.. bammm GamerNexus notification alert 😂
I thought.. This one hell of a data telemetry sh1t going on here! 😂
I will probably try to tick infinity fabric tat bit faster and get to 3733, but you stand correct in most situation.
@@photonboy999 @Verpal Thanks to both of you ill try both your recommendation =)
The absolute max you want to try is 3800Mhz memory and 1900FCLK. If thats not stable go down to 3733/1867 or even 3600/1800.
What happened when RAM was just RAM. Started by a few Ryzen 3000 CPUs and now I'm deep in this shit.
I think it's DDR related. 20ish years ago it wasn't just speed you had latency to deal with too. Ironically the latency we get these days is HORRIBLE compared to what we got back then, but the higher speeds more than make up for it. I think prior to DDR it was really just a question of ram speed and it had to match your system bus. Like 100mhz or 133mhz. lol
Deym were the same bro started when I build my damn pc lol haha 3600 much
@@arizakawamiyamoto297 3600 seems to be the sweet spot.
always has been..
This isn't anything new lol, even back in the early DDR3 days this was important for overclock.
I just installed RAM and enabled XMP, didn't care for timings or anything lol.
Thanks, I know this vid took a long time to put together.
This is by far my favourite youtube channel to get detailed, technical reviews of everything. Damn is he ever good
Damn this is the kind of channel I was looking for, some hardware deep dive info.
then you never watched "actually hardcore overclocking" channel vidoes lol his videos is way complicated than this
@@kiavaxxaskew yea i can understand that, anyway xd
Whenever i try to purchase something related to my pc .. i come and watch a couple of Nexus videos and i end up watching a dozens of them
Which is why he has so much pull in the industry now.
Bought some stuff during black friday and I sat there for hours just figuring out all the little details of Ryzen 3000 that allow it to run best through Gamers Nexus
Linus: Let´s fly in a plane
Steve: Let´s get a pilot licence ;-)
Accurate
Great video, great explanation, thank you for your work
Working on my second build but still very new to this all. I have watched hours and hours of videos researching parts and trying to learn. You are the only person who mentioned to check the QVL based on the motherboard! Thank you!
Thank you Steve this video is so solid. Super helpful content.
0:46 I don't think I've ever spent more time looking at a sponsor advert. Very effective! Also, nice cats. Now we know who the real CEO is! :)
Thank you so much for taking the time to do this!
I guess this is the "new segment of hardware" you were talking about? :P
In a previous life Steve was an auctioneer.
I just realised how beautiful it is to go on the internet, watch a video about pc tech you're really into and interact with hundreds and thousands of like-minded nerds. We truly are living in the best of times, life is good.
yeah man it is good
but fuck money
Its corona time
Ever since this pandemic occurred I've been stuck at the house and I started from not knowing what ANY of the main components do to now I'm learning about overclocking. I've literally been spending like 6-12 hours a day watching videos about computer tech for the past 2 weeks and it is awesome. I've now decided to build my own PC once prices normalize and deals become more common. I'm building an all AMD pc. It will probably be around 1500$.
@@lisacanterbury6248 Make sure you look at pcpartpicker to get a general idea of part compatibility. PPP also compares prices to help you get those deals
@@Stephenopolis1996 Yeah, I have been using PC part picker.
I'm so glad I picked the 3600 GSkill Z Neo kit when building my system.
Great video.
i glad i got my 3200 cl 14-14-14-28 kit back wen i made my zen 1 system quite expansive ( back in the memory factory burn debacle )
But still gonne be amazing in my 5600x system
I feel like im at a memory 101 and this is memory class over 5000
5100
Wait until you fall down the Buildzoid rabbit hole...
Damn. The amount of work that went into this video is crazy to think about.
Customizing Micron-E-Die with the Ryzen Memory Calculator is what I'd suggest to the price conscious overclocker. At least I am very happy with it considering the price of the alternatives.
Yeah, I don't know why he tested a Ballistix Elite with such a low frequency. There's an Elite 3600 kit available which would have made a lot more sense for the video as I think that's the one consumers would be looking at for Ryzen.
Yep, got my 3000 cl 15 Ballistix Sport dual rank to 3600cl14 (EDIT: actually 'only' cl 16) first try using the calculator!
@@TheBoojah What about the voltages?
@@fazendohistoria_ 1.45 V as recommended by the calculator. Haven't tried reducing it yet, as yes its high but I haven't had any temp issues.
@@SupaFreak2005 yeah i bought some 3600 cl16 ballistix elite and i was really curious to know where they would land in this comparison :/
I love how your video description is actually a real detailed description!
i feel good for splurging on a gskill 3200c14 kit back when 1st gen ryzen launched.
I have a tridentz kit on my 9900k, and just changing those 2 timings yielded 2-3% increase across the board, didn't hurt stability one bit tFAW from 56 to 24 and tRFC from 520 to 280....didn't bother with secondary timing before seeing this video, thanks so much
had I not watched this video, I would have bought some memory that my board couldn't even support
thanks steve
Just OC my ram to recommended settings using the Ryzen dram calculator. I'm using Trident RGB 3600. No errors and working well. I'm sure I could push things a bit more but I prefer reliability. Will test thoroughly tomorrow. It's 11pm right now. Thanks for the how to.
Thank you for putting in all the work! Guess I'll roll with my Trident Z 3200 CL14 a little longer.
I got two sticks when Ryzen 1 came out, because B die, 1k series getting it to 3200 was a struggle, 2k series it was happy at 4000, 3k series 3600 cl15 on dram calc performance settings... this has turned into such a lottery; CPU x SOC x MB x RAM - all the stars have to align. Still, it lasted me ~ 4 years, so can't really complain.
Excellent video! Very helpful. I appreciate the time and effort Steven and the Gamers Nexus Team put in.. You are very much appreciated. I will try to donate soon. You very much deserve it. Thank You.
I was able to push the Trident Z CL14 3200 to 3600 maintaining xmp timings on the Aorus Xtreme.. I think it's the best bet overall @ price to performance. Just wanted to share that.
Same kit here really good ocing and price. You didn't change anything? Just ran XMP timings?
I got my Tri Z when they were $150 for two sticks, got 4 for 32gigs of Ram. Worth it, the light show never fails to impress.
What about fast preset with dram calculator? Should give a decent boost.
how much did it cost?
I got 32gb of 3200 trident z royal i think they really did good with them personally they're worth it
Hope other people have better luck with the DRAM Calculator than I did. Its recommended _safe_ settings for my kit nearly bricked my Windows install with how bad the errors were. And yes, I changed one thing at a time like you should.
XMP for me for the foreseeable future.
Honestly I'm building my first system and as soon as I started diving into memory tuning I started having suicidal thoughts. Xmp for me, at least until i have more experience under my belt
This eases my mind slightly about my RAM purchase for a new ryzen build. I knew they were kinda picky with RAM so it's good to know i got something that wasn't bottom of the barrel.
Perfect timing! Was looking for good RAM for my first build. So far going to get 16gb DDR4 3600mhz Crucial Ballistix Elite CL 15 for £160
Which CPU?
@@noahw5887 Ryzen 7 3700X
@@bigchungus3071 nice! I came from a core i5-750(2.66ghz stock) and I went to a Ryzen 7 3700x. I didn't know they had RAM with 3600mhz getting CL 15. The processor is a beast, enjoy!!
the prices are insane here in Germany.
- 16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16-19-19-39: 112€
- 16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL16-16-16-36: 165€
- 16GB G.Skill Trident Z Neo DDR4-3600 DIMM CL14-15-15-35: 245€
I'm actually surprised how well the 3200c16 Corsair Vengeance does considering it's a 90 euro set. Doesn't seems worth paying 100 euro+ more to get a 3600c16 set for like 3% better performance. Especially if you have a Ryzen 3600/3600x/3700x and are on a bit of a budget.
Just placing this here for reference conclusion is from around @22:00 (watch the whole thing if this if your first time though, I'm coming back for referencing)
great video. i had incurable insomnia until i watched this!
😂
Yup literally about to go to sleep at 5am now, finally
Bought a 2x8GB 3200MHz CL16 Trident Z RGB kit, OC'd it to 3800MHz CL16. Totally worth it
The really interesting part was the 1% low numbers. More important than averages for stable FPS.
Yup but thats more Cpu than anything else if you have 16gb 2133 it would do fine you would not experience any issues unless you have 8gb ram i have 8gb 3000mhz goung to upgrade to tforce nighthawk 3200 16gb
Y'all do great work on this channel.
One thing that no one commented is how these RAM timings and speed changes the way Intel and AMD CPUs are being compared. With these changes, the Ryzen appears to land directly in Intel territory, or beyond. Incredible stuff.
Intel is also doing great on 4133MHz Cl17, 3rd gens are doing great in 1:1:1 divider on 3800MHz Cl16 or lower with tight subtimings, but not all ryzens can do 1900MHz on infinity fabric.
I have G. Skill 32GB Trident Z Neo 3600 Mhz CL14 with my 3900x, highly recommended memory for AMD Ryzen! Ironically, the LED light effects on it matches my Deepcool Castle 360EX LED lights as well. I love my new system, very fast and chews through all my apps and games with ease.
Dang, would've loved to see a 3600 CL18 kit in the charts.
This was a fantastically informative video. Thank you for taking the time to make it!
There is one benchmark you might consider for future memory testing. Factorio's simulation speed has been demonstrated to be highly sensitive to RAM speed much more so than CPU clock. Upgrading RAM will often result in much higher gains than upgrading to a faster CPU. I believe the command line has useful tools for benchmarking, and the simulation speed can be unlocked to run as fast as the system can support. The game measures it in UPS (updates per second). Many players and the development team keep save games of very large maps for performance testing.
This might be a good way to eliminate the concern with GPU bottlenecking and better highlight differences in RAM speeds.
While I agree you should also note that factorio megafactories are very niche thing so it is a bit questionable how usefull that testing would be for vast majority of people.
Though I would love it.
@@petrkinkal1509 "Mega" factories may be, but the point isn't to show how much faster the game is. The point is to use something with a clear RAM bottleneck in order to isolate the RAM differences in the benchmark. It's a good indicator of how effective the RAM differences are in workloads highly constrained by RAM speed. It's similar to how anandtech used the dolphin emulator in single threaded CPU tests.
@@michaelkreitzer1369 The problem may be that there is more to it than just ram speed for example from what I know throughput pretty much just keeps gettin better no matter the timings so if factorio mostly cared about the throughput but not the latecy then that would not be necessary representative of other scenarios (now I'm pretty sure fac. actually cares mostly about latency but you get the point).
So, it's like any other benchmark and you need to know what it's targeting.
@@michaelkreitzer1369 fair enough
Thank you for the detailed test. But I was hoping for more affordable and reasonable ram kits like the G.SKill Ripjaws V 16GB Black 3200MHz (F4-3200C16D-32GVK).
Just just bought those. For 60$. Hope they work well.
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Dude you have nicer hair than my sister keep it up.
Steve is expressing his feelings about this whole topic in the thumbnail, just giving the bird xD
As an owner of a Ryzen 2000 processor, I find it's tolerance for memory really weird. And its a Ryzen 7 2700 in a laptop so it's not like I can just check a motherboard compatibly chart. It came with 2x8gb 2400mhz, and I bought a kit of G.skill 2x8gb 2400 for it and it booted and benchmarks ran fine, but games wouldn't stay stable for longer than 5 minutes. So I ordered a Ballistix kit, it was supposed to be 2x8gb at 2400, but I was sent a 1x16gb at 2666. For the heck of it, popped it in anyway. The processor loves it. Still in dual channel despite being 3 sticks in a 4 slot board, performance metrics went up, things running better than normal. So, just gonna leave it at that, as the adage goes; if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
3600Mhz CL14 is the sweet spot imo. Easily reachable on Samsung B-Die and good stability.
Cl14 3600? I thought 3600mhz is at least cl16 or 18, isnt the sweet spot in cl14 3200 mhz? Thats what ive heard
@Gul Dukat ah my bad never seen a cl14 at 3600mhz kinda shocking
The sweet spot is 3200Mhz/3000Mhz RAM with tight timings.
People use "sweet spot" to describe both performance and, separately, value. Getting to 3600MHz CL14 (and rest of timings) gets you MOST of the performance possible from the CPU assuming no other bottlenecks, but there's still FCLOCK etc (see Buildzoid) that can improve things further... as far as sweet spot for VALUE then in Canada it was and probably still is 3200MHz CL16 as 3600MHz CL16 was 50% higher price... 3600MHz CL16 gets you almost all performance, and CL14 (etc) again is more still though I doubt most kits will get you there. Not sure how many are B-die but I suspect the ones that are may not be the best value... how much EXTRA does it cost over getting a 3200MHz CL16 kit that's been tweaked? And how much extra real-world performance are you getting for that cost?
I tried with my 3200 CL14 B-Die kit (G.Skill Ripjaws V) and was unable to get it completely stable at 3600 CL14 even with SAFE timings via the DRAM calculator. It might be possible but I don't have the patience for it. I did see a boost in the Time Spy CPU score though. Went from 9755 to 10309 on my 3700X. Doubt there's enough difference in real world gaming to justify the blood, sweat and tears involved however.
You did not mention [EDIT: all] 1% or .1% lows and they were sometimes at odds comparing them to average game FPS. Thank you for another in-depth review and for showing charts with the low FPS numbers so I could pause the video and inspect them.
That's usually the case. But he does present them. These days, I don't even bother with avg FPS anymore, but how much it varies.
just for curiosity i want to see that 3600 tridentz neo cl 14 kit
Id say that it would perform the best out of these
TridentZ 3200c14 can do 3600c14/3666c14 and works really well even on Ryzen+ (1usmus fast preset)
@Ace Cumen Not sure it is entirely linked to the memory kit itself, but more to the sillicon lotery as tighter timings are putting a lot of stress on the IMC. That said, most 3200c14 kits are able to be set at 3600c14 manually should your CPU IMC supports it, and will do 3600c16 if not. So while I do agree on the economical stand point, technically I'm not sure GSkill is to blame, this is OC territory for the IMC, nothing is guaranted.
@Ace Cumen I have the 3600 C14 Neo kit and have no issues on X570 using XMP or manually entering timings. Sounds more like a specific board issue than a memory issue.
@@SebastienBrunier Sometimes it is better to set are timing manually than use XMP profile, which cases crashes, but works with manual tighter set, I saw that issue also on X370 and X470.
Thank you for saying the acronyms and then what they mean for us just getting into this stuff
I saved 3 seconds in Civilization turns!!
《Fettles with ram settings for DAYS》
This is astonishing. I was told years ago that ram does not really matter for gaming. Lots to think about here. Thank you.
Got it.
Get a good x570 board.
Get agood ram through research able to get 3800 cl16 tightened timings.
Done.
I just want to say thank you. Thank you for doing this kind of tests.
Running my Trident Z Neo 3600CL16 kit at 14-14-14-14-28-40 @ 1.45v.
F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC ?? the Hynix one or Samsung version there are a few hope its same as mine as i need help. also what CPU did you get?
book said G.SKILL F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC 2*16GB DS SK Hynix 16-19-19-39 1.35V 3600
@@streamtabulous Those timings Big_Balled_Bill posted suggest Samsung B-die to me. If you're having problems getting 2x16GB of RAM stable you'll probably need to significantly increase your TRFC clock, (550 may be a good starting point and raise from there) and you may possibly need to disable bank interleaving depending on what motherboard you have, you may need more SoC voltage as well. 2x16GB is definitely do-able at 3600MHz, but you'll probably find you'll need to loose up timings quite a bit to get it completely stable.
@@K31TH3R Asus ROG Strix 570x-E Gaming, and its being a pain in the ass to the point I'm afraid to do anything. Basic changes and I get black screen and i mean basic like fan speed settings, results in pulling the battery out unplugging everything and waiting 20min.
@@streamtabulous Which RAM slots are you using on your motherboard? I was having issues like that when I tried to use the black slots (slots closer to the CPU socket.) Also some 16GB sticks are more sensitive to ProcODT you might start by setting that at 60ohm and seeing if that solves anything. (CPU on-die termination restitivity) Are you using D.O.C.P. (XMP) to start your baseline? Also, you might try unlinking your FCLK and running it lower than 1800 to see if your CPU possibly is unable to run the Fabric at 1800MHz. (Although your description of the issue sounds more like DRAM read training issue versus a cpu issue)
And lastly, are you on BIOS version 1005?
Man I love your channel and I appreciate all the detailed analysis. I also appreciate that you have a lot of information to convey quickly.
However.
When you start going over all those little charts, it sounds like an auctioneer at a car auction.
Awwww yeeeeah, my Trident Z boys where you at?
here lol silver!
shopping for ram was just about giving me a headache, but this helped, thanks
Great video, think this will save me a headache when tuning my RAM.
I'm curious, why do you focus on AVG FPS?
1% Lows and even 0.1%, as a gamer, interest me more. Because generally, lower AVG but higher lows = a smoother experience.
I have read in a couple of places that one should be able to get out how fast the memories are by the clock speed / Mhz: nano seconds. If this works, the list should show that there are more nano seconds at the end. I took and wrote the list from 14:20 on the youtube clip. And if you compare it straight away, it fits pretty well.
3800Mhz CL 16 1900 fclock 1:1 :: CL16/3800Mhz: 0,004210 :42Nano sec per circle
3866 4200mhz cl 16 1900 fclock 1:1 :: 16/3866: 0,004138: 41ns
3866 mhz CL 18 1900fclock 1:1 :: 18/3866: 0,00465: 46ns
3866 mhz Cl 18 1900fclock 2:1 :: 18/3866: 0,00465: 46ns
3600 mhz cl16 G.skill TridentZ Neo :: 16/3600: 0,0044444: 44ns
3600 mhz cl16 G.skill tridentZ royal :: 16/3600: 0,0044444: 44ns
3200mhz cl 16 g.skill tridentz neo :: 16/3200: 0,005 : 50ns
3200mhz cl14 g.skill tridentz rgb :: 14/3200: 0,004375: 43ns
3200mhz cl 16 corsair vengeance :: 16/3200: 0,005: 50ns
4000mhz cl 19 hyperx predator :: 19/4000: 0,00475: 47ns
3866mhz cl 18 g.skill tridentz :: 18/3866: 0,0046559: 46ns
3866mhz cl18 gskill tridentz :: 18/3866: 0,0046559: 46ns
3000mhz cl 15 corsair vengeance lpx :: 15/3000: 0,005: 50ns
3200mhz cl 16 geir evo x :: 16/3200: 0,005: 50ns
4000mhz cl 19 hyperx predator :: 19/4000: 0,00475: 47ns
2666mhz cl 16 crucial ballistix elite :: 16/2666: 0,006: 60ns
2400mhz cl 15 g.skill ripjaws v :: 15/2400: 0,00625: 62ns
2400mhz cl 15 g.skill ripjaws v :: 15/2400: 0,00625: 62ns
It'd be interesting to see Ryzen 3900x vs Intel 9900K with tuned memory timings on both, seeing such massive improvements on Ryzen.
AWESOME benchmarks !!! Thanks a lot !
@Gamers Nexus: There are 2 Trident Z Neo 3600 CL 16 Versions, the GTZN (16 - 16 -16 - 36) and the GTZNC (16 - 19 -19 - 39). Could you tell us which one you tested? Thank you :)
F4-3600C16D-32GTZNC here down under id like to know also was it samsung or Hynix
@@streamtabulous If you already have the kit, download Thaiphoon Burner and read it
Loads of actual good info. No bs. High value vid from you guys. I'm struggling to find equivalent out there... I want to add constructive criticism... I'll let you know when I find it! :)
Its insane how much ram speeds effect FPS.. I feel like I am 12 again where adding 512mbs ram allowed for a resolution increase and was life changing lol
Sucks that we weren’t able to download RAM back then... so much easier now
Good stuff Steve good stuff👌🏻
Never fails to put me asleep.
Very timely video, thanks
The ram I bought with my board when Ryzen first came out I believe was degraded from the get go. If I run it on its XMP profile then it causes the system to crash and Prime 95 fails its tests as well. If I run it at whatever the board defaults the memory to then it runs fine and Prime 95 passes with flying colors.
I had this problem but it was because of the Gigabyte easy tune software. I guess it was fighting with ryzen master and the motherboard settings not really sure but once I Uninstalled it I never blue screened since and that's even messing with memory timings and running plenty of prime95
You might want to confirm that you have the ram installed in the correct ram slots. A2 & B2 for example. Check your motherboard manual to be sure.
Are you using a gigabyte motherboard by any chance with easytune installed? If so uninstall it it caused mine to crash during prime95 too
Omg the level of detail in this video is so enjoyable ❤️
Finally buys RAM, next day GN breaks me off.... oof
I managed my 3200 Cl16 Hynix to Cl14 with timings tightened across the board (thank you Typhoon and Dram calculator) and every game runs way smoother and without the occasional stutters that I used to get.
reminds me of how back then overclocking the FSB was better than overclocking the chip on its own.
Simpler times :) quad-pumped, memcon dependent on board and chipset not cpu, pairing a Pentium 4 with ddr3 :D
@Ayu Natsume
yeah but a pentium 4 is crap paired with anything.Overclocking anything else but the cpu would yeild more performance and less heat that a prescott....
Still i rather have a althon 64 than a p4
I was using a Pentium 4 as a wayback to how decoupled the processor was to RAM and so on and with LGA775 you could go as high as Core 2 Quad. E.g. OCing a Q6600 is easier with DDR3 because it can go higher freq to match ratios instead of hoping your DDR2 can go 1066 or 1333 even with loose timings. Back then too I didnt need to worry about Hypertransport or ratios and uncore and just OCed my Pentium 3 266 to 533 with just doubling the FSB -- up until Core 2 Duos and Quads of even the lowest models (like the E2140 starting at~1.6GHz) achieving at least 3GHz so long as you set PCIE, SATA, and RAM freq to fixed. Also since there's no IMC in the CPU itself, overvolting ram doesnt cook the CPU, just the chipset.
Spot on! You can read our minds! Trident z rgb has gone crazy in price here in the uk, but trident z neo is at a good price! Was about to pick the 3600mhz cl16 neo kit for £148 with postage (£128 w/o postage)
Where did you see those for that price? Best offer I could find for RAM was 149 for Team Dark Pros TDPGD416G3200HC14ADC01 which have gone down to 135 since 2 days ago ... typical!
@@menn4h pc parts picker has the pricing :) it may be cheaper elsewhere though :)
Sorry, it's down to £143.30 from Alza.co.uk (priced on PC parts picker) :)
"3200 CL14 is hard to find and expensive in the US." I found that 3000 CL14 may be the best option (and cheapest option), because all mine (4x16GB modules) can run 3600 CL16-15-16 with my Ryzen 3900X and Asrock X370 Fatal1ty Pro Gaming Motherboard combination. Samsung B is Samsung B.
Best timing for this video to pop up!
Was that technical enough for you guys?
instructions unclear memory stuck in the pci slot
@@ProtoType4588 That means you used too much thermal paste.
I'm confused. Early on he says that you should make sure the kits you're using are on the motherboard QVL. But, the 3600MHz GSkill Royal kit that they recommend in the video and forum post, Model F4-3600C16D-16GTRG, doesn't appear in the QVL/compatibility list for either motherboard that they tested in the video. Actually, neither the 3600MHz Royal kit nor the 3200MHz TridentZ RGB model are listed as compatible with the Gigabyte X570 Master board (though the 3200MHz kit is at least on the MSI Godlike QVL).
They say to follow the mobo manufacturer's recommendations for best results, but then their actual recommendations aren't on the list. So do we follow the QVL or not?
I have the X570 elite GB board and tried the listed QVL Ballistix Elite 3600 C16 kit and it not only didnt work at all, it really didnt work at all. Computer wouldnt even post. Worked with 2 GSkill Ripjaws 3200 C16 that were not listed. So there you go. Just buy the ram and make sure you can return the ram kit in case it doesnt work.
I have a b450 f gaming motherboard and got 2x8 gskill gtzr which is not listed in qvl of the motherboard where as the gtzrX version was listed. However, the ram still works for and supports xmp in my motherboard. The qvl list just means that the ram is optimized for that particular board but not necessarily mean it will work lol. Don't know exactly but just make sure u can return the product
Thanks for this in depth test & comparison!
OC'd my Viper patriot 3200 cl16 to 3600 cl17 and saw a good increase in gaming minimum fps!
You are good. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.
Glad I learned about the QVL. I had no idea and would just be getting RGBs lmao
I have the Vengeance 3200MHz CL16 RGB Ram (XMP set in bios to 3200mhz), with MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC motherboard (Ryzen 2700x CPU @ 4.1ghz, in "game mode" in UEFI/Bios, stable...with my thermals, under load it's 58c MAX!! But still thinking of "upgrading" to the 3700x for the 7nm performance advantages..and yes, the motherboard is optimized for Ryzen 3rd gen) and for me, I think this video confirms that the Vengeance CL16's are better optimized with MSI boards. Thanks a million for this video, it's comprehensiveness, and the reminder for making sure what RAM is more optimized for whatever motherboard you may have. Kudos to Steve/Gamers Nexus. You guys are like freaking SCIENTISTS with this stuff and it is appreciated! :)
How much do I owe you for this?! Love love love, Steve!
Such an underrated channel
What we need is a part-combo recommendation so when we go to buy stuff we know what its capable of and what to expect.
does the G.Skill neo play well with the MSI pro carbon? .etc.
G.Skill B-die RAM plays very well with that mobo. I have a 450 Tomahawk which is a Pro Carbon without the wifi, bluetooth, and -1 M.2 slot. The Hynix Neo work fine too but overclocking Hynix is a massive pain in the ass.
Just avoid the Hynix based RAM and you're good. Or for budget go for Ballistix Sport 3200 with revision E-die, that will easily OC to 3600cl16.
Which gaming pro carbon? B450? This one is NOT good for memory OC at all right now, since you can’t adjust subtimings in the bios currently
If you buy micron e die, go with 3000 CL15 rather than 3200 CL16. The 3000mhz kit should have better binning (because the overall latency is lower due to the timing)
Great job Steve. Thanks for this very informative video.
But have you tried running 1800-1900MHz FCLK for slow kits?
You would get the penalty of desyncing the clocks. Even if you raise the FCLK. It's the synchronization that keeps it fast. You can take a 3200 CL14 kit and tweak the timings for 3600 CL16, to get the clocks up to 1800Mhz. Or a variation of that. I changed my 3200Mhz CL14 Flare-X kit from 1st gen Ryzen, to 3600Mhz CL16, and really tightened up the timings, because the Ram can technically do CL15.
TheCgOrion what if you have a really crappy RAM that won’t go over 2666?
In that case you will get same or better latency, and definitely much better writes and copy on 1 CCD Zen 2 CPU with 1800-1900 FCLK
@@igoresque Are you saying that the Ram won't clock higher, even if you loosen up the timings?
TheCgOrion my ram will go to 2933, but I would probably have to loosen timings too much to make it stable.
Also, according to Buildzoid, even 3400cl14 kits benefit from 1900 FCLK with just 1ns worse latency, on 3200cl12 latency was actually better at 1900 than coupled.
@@igoresque Interesting. Are you saying Just the MCLK at 1900Mhz? You've mentioned FCLK and MCLK. I might have to run some tests on that. I'll probably want to test several different things, since even in games, it can differ from game to game, or app to app. My .1% lows suffered anytime I wasn't synced with the memory. I didn't try uncoupling clocks from each other. Thanks for the info.
Just ordered that 32gb 3600mhz cl16 Neo kit on sale for $200Cad.. Even though I don't have a new pc to put it in yet. Thanks GN!
Why am i still awake I have school in 6 hours ree
Worth it though 👍
Tell your teacher you have a bad case of amnesia and you forgot where the school is located.
tell them youll shoot it up if you dont get the month off.
I have my 3200 cl14 2x16gb bdie kit running at 3800 16 15 15 15 24 48 with fclk and uclk at 1900. Made a pretty noticable perf improvement.
Shout out to my reused FlareX 3200 CL14💪🏾
I have the same RAM, and the updated Ryzen calculator is saying we can get it down to 14-13-14-13-28 on the fast setting (I haven't checked to see if there's a new version of the calculator where the extreme setting is available). I'm gonna give that a try as soon as I put the 3700X in there.
Yup! I already had 32g of 3200mhz. I felt no need to change.
With Zen+ my FlareX Kit runs at CL14 3466 (14-15-14-14-28-42).
@@Koeras16 Is that the 3200 b-die kit with an overclock? Is so, I'd like to try OCing mine.
elmSTREETnasty usually 3200 MHz cl14 is b die. And go for it if ur willing to deal with the headache that is memory overclocking