My Nonbinary Relationship with Public Bathrooms

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  • @MusingMoss
    @MusingMoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +50

    Can we talk about how awkward it was to start using the men's room with my cis male partner?

    • @wellingtonsmith4998
      @wellingtonsmith4998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      ummm, ok Lux if you want to. I can share stories of me an my BF going into multiple public bathrooms to pee a the same time. Both of us cis-males.
      It was uhh, awkward sometimes...
      so now it's your turn? 🤷‍♂️ ???

    • @zanderzephyrlistens
      @zanderzephyrlistens 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      bahahahahhahahahahaha this is amazing

    • @ClownGathering
      @ClownGathering 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      aw man I had the opposite w my partner, we both identify the same, but then I started T and now I use the mens room and they use the women's room and it's weird bc it was nice to be able to go in together yknow

    • @jackriver8385
      @jackriver8385 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Gosh that's going to be a thing now that I know I'm trans. Anything gendered just scares me now though.

    • @thedragondemands5186
      @thedragondemands5186 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ....don't you use the same one in your house?

  • @wellingtonsmith4998
    @wellingtonsmith4998 5 ปีที่แล้ว +70

    I guess your advice, "Use whatever restroom is safest at the moment." is the best advice. At least until people learn empathy and compassion for people who are different from them.

    • @bravetherainbow
      @bravetherainbow 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Most people do that anyway, I would say. They just don't actually have to think about it.

    • @SunIsLost
      @SunIsLost 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea

  • @ragingwitch8875
    @ragingwitch8875 5 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    My mom is a lesbian and biosex female. She looks like a woman for sure but gets misgendered all of the time in bathrooms when traveling because she has short hair, is wearing a sports bra, tshirt, and cargo shorts. I really wish we could just have gender neutral bathrooms with a communal sink area. That would make this so much easier.

    • @jeff6413
      @jeff6413 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A little late to comment but I remember the gay club Therapy in Manhattan sort of had this setup. Not sure if they'll open back up again due to covid but I remember thinking this should be more common.

    • @SunIsLost
      @SunIsLost 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yea

  • @hermione3muller674
    @hermione3muller674 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    i did not dare to use the bathroom at school after i experienced physical violence to myself and to my belongings on the first visit to the school s bathroom. so i spent the remaining nine years of my school years never ever visiting the bathroom again, so i kept holding it, and i never drank at school. this was certainly not healthy at all, but you can imagine how horrible my experience must have been that i did not dare to visit the bathroom again.

    • @zakbrand7354
      @zakbrand7354 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      So sorry you experienced that

  • @videopirate9138
    @videopirate9138 5 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Wow, I never really thought about the issues a trans individual faces when utilizing public restrooms. Thanks for getting me to think about it.
    While workplace restrooms often tend to be a more 'social' area than a public restroom, male public restrooms are generally no conversation zones unless you are conversing with your friends. There is no need to intentionally avoid eye contact in male public restrooms, you just don't want to overtly make eye contact or seem to be intentionally making eye contact. Think of how you are around people you don't know while shopping for clothes or produce and you will be ok in the male public restrooms.
    Keep being you.

  • @laurajarrell6187
    @laurajarrell6187 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Luxander, OK, I can't comment as trans, but you seem pretty open to us dummies here to learn, for which I thankyou! I have known so many people who have major anxiety over using public restrooms, and for many, gender or sexuality had nothing to do with it. I feel bad that such a normal human function can be fraught with controversy. I guess it's just another way for some people to try make themselves feel important, by making non issues into something. Thankyou for sharing such personal info about yourself, I bet it helps some who feel so very alone. Love and Peace

  • @toxicdotaep2890
    @toxicdotaep2890 5 ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I'm pre-everything transmasc nb and I usually default to women's restrooms but I absolutely hate it lol
    my college has gender neutral restrooms...on only one floor. where I have no classes. rip.
    and somethin weird I noticed is whenever I do happen to go to the bathroom on that floor, I always go to the furthest one, even though they're identical, cause I'm so used to havin to walk further to get to the women's restrooms. it's weird.
    I'm lucky enough that nobody's ever protested my presence in the restrooms but generally I avoid public bathrooms like the plague unless I can find a gender neutral one.

    • @sharkboot
      @sharkboot 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I feel your pain my person.
      I'm a pre-everyhing trans masculine nonbinary person too

  • @ryptoll4801
    @ryptoll4801 5 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    If there's no gender neutral bathroom, I prefer using the women's, cause I'm really feminine and consider myself a woman (and I'm afab/bio female) but I'm always worried about getting tossed out. Cause that's happened. I've been on T in the past and like the changes a lot, but it means I no longer pass as female. Mostly that's not something I think of as an issue (it bothers other people way more than it bothers me) but when it comes to bathrooms and changing rooms it's a bit of an issue. It's totally a gamble every time, but I take my chances with the women's room unless I have a beard that day.
    As for changing rooms I'm actually going swimming regularly since pretty recently, and luckily they do have a "flex" locker room which they intend for both disabled- and trans people, and people of any/either gender can use it. The staff there actually doesn't want me in either the women's or the men's... ahaha. No offense taken, though. I don't want to be trouble there, just swimming. Cause it's good exercise.
    I wear a regular women's one-piece swimsuit there, btw, even though I've had top surgery. Cause I kinda wish I hadn't. I used to think I was a trans man but now I don't anymore. I'm not non-binary either, but I don't know if I'm cis or trans cause I really love what I got from T. Except from my chest I'm not dysphoric about anything.

  • @kelceek8581
    @kelceek8581 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Trans girl here- normally I’ll use neutral or family rooms and if those aren’t available, assuming I know the women’s room is empty or near empty, I’ll use the women’s room. Rarely now will I use the men’s.

  • @carrie637
    @carrie637 5 ปีที่แล้ว +34

    Luxander, I love your flannel, I have the same one, or at least a similar one.

  • @artosbear
    @artosbear 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Caveat: since we have to talk about it I am very grateful for having wonderful people like Luxander to talk about it
    It's so absurd we have to talk about who poops in what water hole. For an excellent perspective on this absurdity of reaction regarding toilets, from a time passed, read the 1934 novel Clochemerle by Gabriel Chevalier.

  • @notshardain
    @notshardain 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    ahah, before i realized i was Not Cis back in college (i am afab nonbinary, at the time this happened I only dressed pretty masc/neutral), i was in an all female college dorm and BOY this one group of people were vile. Some women on my floor had invited a group of 10ish drunk guys to their room, and because they had so many guests, most were standing in the hall since they couldn't fit in the room. Those drunk cis guys and the girls who had invited them up would yell down the hall at me when I went to the women's restroom and said some pretty horrible and dehumanizing things. Aint nothin like a group of 10 people loitering in the hall and shouting transphobic things at you when all you wanna do is go piss. It was only real bad the one time, but there were a couple other times when those same girls would loudly whisper some pretty gross stuff (including calling me "it" as much as possible, ugh) whenever they saw me and knew i could hear them.
    I'm far from masc enough to get away with using the mens' restrooms, so I'd rather be mildly uncomfortable using the womens' than feel in danger using the mens'. i can't say i prefer gender neutral bathrooms currently, as those are extremely rare around here, and some of the places that used to have neutral bathrooms removed them. And the few that do, don't have gendered bathrooms, but only the One neutral one so it's always in use and rare to be able to get into. Or the toilet's broken in them. If all gender neutral bathrooms were as functional as gendered bathrooms, however, that would be fantastic 👏👏👏

    • @ziraiah
      @ziraiah 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm so sorry to hear what happened to you back then. It is not a huge effort to be nice to people. That kind of nasty behavior tells me more about insecurity, than anything else. I was bullied at school when I was younger too, but I grew up with more compassion and kindness than those bullies. I hope your life is happier now.

  • @theDyingAtheist
    @theDyingAtheist 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Wow, thanks again. I am not trans and have absolutely no reference point to begin to understand this issue. Luxander, being able to point out this issue, and explain it to me really helps and increases my awareness. I will say that up until about the age of 14, I was extremely "pee shy," and unable to use a urinal in any public restroom. This did cause me huge anxiety when a stall was not available. I would avoid any restroom that was too full of guys.

  • @artemismeow
    @artemismeow 5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Worse experience: target they closed the family restrooms they only had RR in the back of the store. I was really holding in the pee. and when i got there they only had either mens or womens and in the hesitation of choosing i just felt it come out it was super embarrassing. And to top it off i couldn't stop crying so i just ran outside and drove straight home.

    • @sharkboot
      @sharkboot 5 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      That's why I dont shop at target

    • @MusingMoss
      @MusingMoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      That's terrible, I'm sorry :(

    • @artemismeow
      @artemismeow 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MusingMoss well its the absolute worse experience. For the most part going to the RR is pretty neutral. :)
      they reopened the family RR the mall has them also
      I guess the only other time i can think of that was eventful was the first time i realized women tend to use the restroom for more than just number 1 and number 2 xD i walk in and this lady is doing her makeup i freeze thinking im gonna get yelled at and she just goes back to doing her eyelashes.
      I quietly walk to my stall. Finish up go to the sink wash my hands and walk out. I was doing a femme only presentation at that time

    • @artemismeow
      @artemismeow 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But still thanks for being nice. XD

  • @kagesennen6886
    @kagesennen6886 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I'm Neutrois, and I know that I have a very feminine appearance even if I don't present that way, so I tend to use the women's bathroom in public, mainly because I know I most likely won't get harassed and there are more stalls in women's washrooms.
    Though more often than not, I usually just wait until I get home because that's more comfortable to me.

  • @WynOwen497
    @WynOwen497 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Thank you sharing your experience Lux...another great informative vid.

  • @laydieelle7069
    @laydieelle7069 5 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Question: would you feel more comfortable in a transgender specific bathroom? I've spoken with trans people who find the specific bathroom insulting, but would being nonbinary negate that argument?
    Also:
    Just curious since I did a 3 gender bathroom design once (Graphic Designer here) where I included the transgender with the male and female and this video just brought back my questions at the time of whether the 3rd bathroom was the right thing to do - clients said nothing, so Idk.
    (They were just outside signs, not inside the bathrooms.)❤️❤️❤️❤️

    • @MusingMoss
      @MusingMoss  5 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I like using gender neutral bathrooms, sometimes there are still accessibility issues like those spaces also being meant for folks with wheelchairs or cis people using them even though they have their own useable bathroom. So I can see there being merit to a trans-only space, but there are definitely trans folks who want to use the regular men's/women's rooms and it gets a little "separate but equal" if we intend to have them use the trans-only bathroom

    • @laydieelle7069
      @laydieelle7069 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@MusingMoss
      Okay. Thanks so much for replying.❤️

  • @tarynriver
    @tarynriver 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I’m not trans but I can only imagine what it’s like for you when I go to the gay district in my town all of the bathrooms pretty much at the bars are for either men or are 1 stall gender neutral like the kind where it’s just a room and it’s so awkward cause I’m a girl and youd think lesbian and bi girls are coming down to the gay district why isn’t there a woman’s bathroom but I feel like that’s got to be how it feels all the time to be trans and I feel like that’s a horrible feeling
    Oh ps I’m bi In case anyone was wondering

  • @RebekahSolWest
    @RebekahSolWest 5 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I was AMAB and I’ve always felt uncomfortable when people try to talk to me while I’m in the bathroom.

  • @chocokittybo
    @chocokittybo 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Despite not having a gender I look probably a tad more "feminine" than "masculine" so I use the women's restroom, and I've never had anyone so much as look at me weird for doing so. Still I'm much more comfortable with gender neutral rooms. There are some days when the idea of going into a women's room is upsetting but it's that or the mens room which I'd often be less comfortable in.
    This with the fact that having been homeless I have certain traumas relating to public restrooms means I generally try and be somewhere with a gender neutral bathroom if at all possible.

  • @amihanami1413
    @amihanami1413 5 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video! Hope you have an okay day as well! :)

  • @jackriver8385
    @jackriver8385 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is how I already use bathrooms due to social anxiety, so I guess not much is changing

  • @jpt7667
    @jpt7667 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I avoid em like the plaque...far far too much anxiety as a NB person. I’m in the UK, Costa is amazing. Most of they have toilets that aren’t specifically either. Been in a few that haven’t but mostly my saviour. But yeah 😊

  • @zanderzephyrlistens
    @zanderzephyrlistens 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    heads up, comedy club bathrooms and sportsspaces like baseball fields and shit and beach bathrooms will often have, "alpha," loOking but nonalpha nontoxic people starting conversations with me, tall softboi, where we exchange one liners about current events and situational humor and irony -- I typically dont start these but because I am a huge fan of the ear to ear grin thing, and because of my improv training, I can flip the switch to maven fake extrovert pretty quickly and meet them at whatever level theyre at with humor by listening to what I might say internally, before conversation may or may not happen. these havent yet been anything to write home about but it happens like upto three to four times a year I guess because of my softboi aestetic and my approachableness when I am in a good mood, people can just tell, even when I'm not smiling. but of course, even in these cases, eye contact is like ... almost none, unless I know the person, and belly buttons definately dont be pointing any direction but parallel with the people you're talking to.

  • @zanderzephyrlistens
    @zanderzephyrlistens 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    your stories make me feel so much better about masculinity in general. i feel like it is in safe hands, with you, and you make me feel more safe with mine

  • @cactusmobb4life543
    @cactusmobb4life543 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm a male and I accidently walked into the women's room when I waited in court to pay a ticket. There was two young ladys in the bathroom talking and they looked at each other weird. I nicely apologized and left back out and.went I to the correct rest room that matched my gender 😊

  • @mxbones9245
    @mxbones9245 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m nonbinary (AFAB) and like you try and use family restrooms as much as possible, but otherwise I use women’s bathrooms since I can pass. It freaks me out though and I too have to come up with a bunch of ways to make it like I should be in there even though I’ve only ever had a glance thrown my way a couple times.

  • @rope9568
    @rope9568 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Puhh since I figured out that i am nonbinary I have a huge problem with public bathrooms. I wish I could say that I go to both but I am really afraid to use the men`s bathroom. I have kinda the same haircut as you, really small chest, wearing big metal tshirts and overall I would say that I am not presenting female (even tho I am not a fan of label my presentation to a gender). But everyone assumes me still as a woman. I small, have a "female" voice and stuff. It`s a hard thing for me.

  • @clivematthews95
    @clivematthews95 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Your life’s perspective is mind blowing, I mean the ambiguity of your situation. It’s like a privilege, but it’s not it’s real life for you. I mean wow, sorry, but wow. You’re kind is very fascinating, they should be more people like you

  • @jessegreywolf
    @jessegreywolf 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I live in a small town in Canada where,unsurprisingly, people are pretty oblivious to the whole issue. I use the family bathroom pretty much exclusively because it feels like neutral space

  • @yay7707
    @yay7707 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I saw a place with non binary bathroom once,
    And
    Its
    Fucking
    Dope

  • @Arlo420lol
    @Arlo420lol 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    I personally am too anxious to use the men's bathroom despite my body and hair being extremely masculine. People misgender me as male a lot and I could just as easily use men's bathrooms, possibly more easily use men's bathrooms instead of women's bathrooms. But I just use the women's bathrooms or the teachers' bathroom (most people just let me). Even then, with the bathroom for more than one gender, I feel anxious because I'm not allowed in if anyone is around. I used the men's bathroom once and I wish I could use it more.

  • @micktierney2779
    @micktierney2779 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Tran visibility is so important the more people see trans people in the world just doing what everybody else does the more cis people will except us .

  • @zanderzephyrlistens
    @zanderzephyrlistens 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    "I'm an adult, I think I know which bathroom to use now," BOOM, MIC DROP, SOCRATES TAKE YOUR SHIT ELSEWHERE YOUVE BEEN REPLACED

  • @13._.1
    @13._.1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    “I was worried they would be upset with me for being trans around their children”
    This is the world in which we live in

  • @Desimcd
    @Desimcd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I used to 'accidentally' go in the men's room when I wanted to. I always just act like I'm supposed to be there, I still prefer to use a ladies room because I feel safer.

  • @thedragondemands5186
    @thedragondemands5186 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I could use the women’s bathroom. As Randy Marsh said in South Park, everything is nice and clean and there isn’t urine on _everything_ like in the men’s room.

  • @toadflaxflower
    @toadflaxflower 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr. Athiest sent me over here and I love your channel!

  • @susanthevegan
    @susanthevegan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank you

  • @MrI8igmac
    @MrI8igmac 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Every speach bidon gives
    He says 'homeless security'

  • @maybelux9123
    @maybelux9123 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a non binary person,agreed

  • @WordsFlowMagnetic
    @WordsFlowMagnetic 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you notice how many times you say "Not that I've ever had to deal with that problem" or "Not that they said/did anything/reported it"?

  • @13._.1
    @13._.1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I could use the family bathroom at school but SMALL problem...
    *They dont have a family bathroom you must be boy or girl :)*

  • @theresas740
    @theresas740 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you live in a large city, just p!ss in the subway. Corners, corner of stairways, or the end of the last car.

    • @MusingMoss
      @MusingMoss  13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Pissing in public is a great way to get on a sex offender list

  • @MrI8igmac
    @MrI8igmac 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Every time i use the womanz bathrome i get ina fist fight with big fat black womanz. Does that mean i fail as a womanz

  • @DutchJoan
    @DutchJoan 5 ปีที่แล้ว

    Having separated bathrooms wouldn't be necessary if men would pee sitting down. Peeing standing up isn't good from a medical point of view anyway.

    • @ZTanMURReneRs
      @ZTanMURReneRs 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ehhh. Urinals are so awesome though. You don't have to touch anything, it feels much more hygieneous. It's also so much quicker, especially at festivals. There's always a line for the stalls but basically never for the urinals. You can still have unisex bathrooms with urinals though right? Like if all the stalls are unisex and the urinals are for people with the right equipment. Maybe they could even provide free throwaway FUD's as a standard from a dispenser.

  • @daniiiakasha1436
    @daniiiakasha1436 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’m curious what your name at birth. It’s ok if u don’t want to share