I've been listening for 43 seconds and I already remembered the discussion I had with a sales representative of a coach from Romania who told me exactly this: that you don't need to know things about the client's field, somehow everything takes you to " limiting beliefs". If I hear this one more time with the "limiting beliefs that keep you in place and don't let you be rich"... I will die. One...two...any problem comes down to "limiting beliefs" and nobody talks about: skills and education. I think there is a lot of responsibility and this job should be better regulated. The course costs 2400 euros and anyone could participate regardless of education/training/age.. I repeat: this profession must be treated with more responsibility by those who practice it..
The ethical dimension is paramount. It’s the core of our approach at Sopra for exec coaching. We’ve also suggested psychotherapy to a few folks who had deeper issues beyond business performance. Some can receive that input and others are hurt by it, but it’s a fundamental for performance. Therapy is not a bad word. It’s empowering for those who embrace it.
@ you’re welcome. I look forward to meeting you one day… and one day is never some pie in the sky thing that is a trajectory that I am on to continue to grow and accomplish all I can to serve my best. You’re a treasure Jules 💎👑✨
@@RoyalAdventuresTheRoyalLifeI would love to meet! You’re in Mississippi? I still go back home to visit my parents in Mobile, so one day might not be that far away.
Unconditional love really is so powerful. This conversation reminds me of a talk by Neale Donald Walsch (on Audible) called "The Heart of Truth". He talks about how *everyone* (even a serial killer) is doing their thing from a place of love. It's a fascinating discussion. Haha and the "proud of you" thing... to me, it seems like an empty compliment, but it's because I don't hold that phrase in high regard due to it's conditional usage. As a former Marine, as a coach, and also as a coaching client - I'm amused by how many assumptions I've made about how I am, and other humans are, supposed to show up. When I bump against a behavior that's in contrast with the normal I've decided is classified as a "Marine" or "Coach" or whatever, it reminds me of how diverse we are... about how we all have our "truth", our version of "normal", and how XYZ is expected to perform. It took me years to get here, to have this detached awareness, and I still trip over my assumptions. But, hey! Welcome to the human experience. It's a vast playground out here that's made more interesting by open conversations like these. (= I'm really enjoying this discussion. And I'm present to the "unconditional - conditional" thread that's weaving through the conversation. Thanks for this food for thought. ✨
This video with Jule is probably my favorite so far! I love this type of conversation. You two are great at articulating how you feel and why you feel that way! You should be very proud of yourselves! lol I don't know if that is a better way to convey the admiration you feel for someone who has accomplished something you aspire to, or are amazed by, but I have said that because I relate to not having the right to feel pride for someone else's success. Your conversation makes me wonder, does this also have some bit of authority on the matter and come across negatively, as in, one understands it to mean you have "my" permission to feel proud, or just the right to feel proud as I intended it? Anyways - it's always a great listen when it's you guys, a lot to learn if I ever want to coach, I needed to hear this. Thank you!
I don’t take it that way, but I know many people do read into it like you’re trying to say you’re giving them your seal of approval. It just depends on the person’s history with that idea. Thanks for watching, Chelsey 😊
Great raw convo. I am a business coach and I can say that business owners are often ALONE and therefore susceptible to codependency. A LOT of “coaches” are parroting woo woo psychobabble, inviting clients into a never ending web of “pay for relationship”.
I love these kinds of open conversations & I wish more people could participate in discussions with removed judgments, while remaining open to new perspectives & ideas. It’s healthy & interesting! Thanks for the stimulating conversations! ☁️🤩☁️🙌☁️🧠☁️
Too many people are hiring coaches who will always offer them some level of gentle approval in order to keep the client and keep getting paid, instead of getting actual friends who will be less afraid to disagree with them, call them out when they behave in unacceptable ways. It's making people more narcissistic and self-absorbed, I believe.
@@thefutur adding 1:04:45 - spot patterns, and flip the No with the Yes, but look for the good ideas and don't the bad ideas become too loud and don't pick up anything. Thank you! and "How do you do one thing is how you do everything?" - who said this?
I agree about the “proud of you!” Exactly, I talk to my children that way… I don’t say I’m proud because of something they do…I am always proud of them🥹I think you’re exactly right!!!
My favorite combo is back again! The conversation about not saying "I'm proud of you" got me thinking because I tend to express this to my friends, but it makes sense that it could sound like I'm putting myself in a more powerful position or somehow taking some credit. I'm curious what people at the receiving end think about this-which is exactly what Julie added later, weighing people's intentions, and letting the love in.
"I'm proud of you" part made me thinking. It can indeed mean that we want to get credit for someone's accomplishments, while we only mean: "I rejoice in having a friend, who did this or that etc." I'm still betting 99,99% people would take the original version as a big compliment and never search for the double bottom.
A lot of commenters on social seem to not like hearing the phrase from people who aren’t family or close friends. This is one of those phrases where the usage has turned the original meaning (deep satisfaction watching someone else accomplish something) vs how it plays out in our families.
The no more bullshit part towards the end, talking about how people in training don't do what they're told. While I understand the frustration on your end, isn't that the most common problem to begin with? So wouldn't the coach's primary job be to deal with this exact issue and to get them going? I'm of an opinion that most people actually know what to do already. They know what needs to be done, it's the DOING part that people struggle with. The saying "you can bring the horse to water but you can't make her drink" is absolutely correct, but wouldn't a coach's job be exactly that, to deal with that problem? I guess the fair thing to say is that it would be a specific type of coach to deal with that problem. I've been thinking about this a lot because it's by far the most common problem, but one that isn't effectively addressed anywhere. "Just do it" is not a good plan, because you're dealing with a person who is struggling to do it, that's their whole problem. All this valuable golden advice we can find on this channel or any other ones is absolutely worthless if people don't take action on it. For you Chris, I get it. But for Jule, as a coach, seems a bit harsh to expect people to just have that execution muscle developed, unless you work specifically with people who have a track record of execution.
Agreed, it's the same thing with therapy. A psychologist can tell you what to do to solve your mental health problems, but awareness doesn't always trigger action. Taking action is a special problem that requires a very special kind of coaching...and most coaches don't know how to address it. Mainly because it requires more skill and work. That's why writing books is a popular way to coach. Because it's easier to sell information, then action...or results.
I was thinking the same while listening. I guess we don't know the whole story about this particular client. From my experience (I am a coach as well) facilitating progress and moving with the client is the most important. I work in 6 months programs and I noted that first 3 months is unlearning and understanding our current behaviour and next 3 months is building on the change, new thoughts patterns and it's crucial because people will often go back into old behaviour while implementing new. I always say, show client their "bullshit" and let them decide what they want to do with it in non judgemental way.
I've been listening for 43 seconds and I already remembered the discussion I had with a sales representative of a coach from Romania who told me exactly this: that you don't need to know things about the client's field, somehow everything takes you to " limiting beliefs". If I hear this one more time with the "limiting beliefs that keep you in place and don't let you be rich"... I will die. One...two...any problem comes down to "limiting beliefs" and nobody talks about: skills and education. I think there is a lot of responsibility and this job should be better regulated. The course costs 2400 euros and anyone could participate regardless of education/training/age.. I repeat: this profession must be treated with more responsibility by those who practice it..
The Chris & Julie combo is 10/10 value!
Appreciate that 🤗
Unfiltered!
Please do more of this type of conversations!
We got more on the way.
Me, either….my parents don’t have unconditional love….I live to be the opposite in love….my grandmother was an unconditional love queen!
That’s beautiful Jule “parents are the sun”
☀️🌷
@@julekim 😎
The ethical dimension is paramount. It’s the core of our approach at Sopra for exec coaching. We’ve also suggested psychotherapy to a few folks who had deeper issues beyond business performance. Some can receive that input and others are hurt by it, but it’s a fundamental for performance. Therapy is not a bad word. It’s empowering for those who embrace it.
I’ve suggested therapy for more than half my clients, and only one has ever taken action on it. Just a few sessions.
WOW!!!! Jule and Chris, I’m doing the happy dance🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Aw thanks, Victoria ☺️
@ you’re welcome. I look forward to meeting you one day… and one day is never some pie in the sky thing that is a trajectory that I am on to continue to grow and accomplish all I can to serve my best.
You’re a treasure Jules 💎👑✨
@@RoyalAdventuresTheRoyalLifeI would love to meet! You’re in Mississippi? I still go back home to visit my parents in Mobile, so one day might not be that far away.
That ending though 🤣 unfiltered 🔥🔥🔥
you made it to the end.
@thefutur I love Chris and Jule together. No way I was gonna miss a single minute.
My awkwardness is how you know 😅
@julekim that was gold.
Unconditional love really is so powerful.
This conversation reminds me of a talk by Neale Donald Walsch (on Audible) called "The Heart of Truth". He talks about how *everyone* (even a serial killer) is doing their thing from a place of love. It's a fascinating discussion.
Haha and the "proud of you" thing... to me, it seems like an empty compliment, but it's because I don't hold that phrase in high regard due to it's conditional usage.
As a former Marine, as a coach, and also as a coaching client - I'm amused by how many assumptions I've made about how I am, and other humans are, supposed to show up. When I bump against a behavior that's in contrast with the normal I've decided is classified as a "Marine" or "Coach" or whatever, it reminds me of how diverse we are... about how we all have our "truth", our version of "normal", and how XYZ is expected to perform. It took me years to get here, to have this detached awareness, and I still trip over my assumptions. But, hey! Welcome to the human experience. It's a vast playground out here that's made more interesting by open conversations like these.
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I'm really enjoying this discussion. And I'm present to the "unconditional - conditional" thread that's weaving through the conversation. Thanks for this food for thought.
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Thank you for the comment and Thank you for your service.
Thank you for the perspective and the Audible talk, Vanessa. I’ll check it out. You sound like you have such an unusual background of experiences.
@@julekim It's definitely been a full life. (=
This video with Jule is probably my favorite so far! I love this type of conversation. You two are great at articulating how you feel and why you feel that way! You should be very proud of yourselves! lol I don't know if that is a better way to convey the admiration you feel for someone who has accomplished something you aspire to, or are amazed by, but I have said that because I relate to not having the right to feel pride for someone else's success. Your conversation makes me wonder, does this also have some bit of authority on the matter and come across negatively, as in, one understands it to mean you have "my" permission to feel proud, or just the right to feel proud as I intended it? Anyways - it's always a great listen when it's you guys, a lot to learn if I ever want to coach, I needed to hear this. Thank you!
Thank you. If you enjoyed this, we have a bunch more in the editing pipeline.
I don’t take it that way, but I know many people do read into it like you’re trying to say you’re giving them your seal of approval. It just depends on the person’s history with that idea. Thanks for watching, Chelsey 😊
Great raw convo. I am a business coach and I can say that business owners are often ALONE and therefore susceptible to codependency.
A LOT of “coaches” are parroting woo woo psychobabble, inviting clients into a never ending web of “pay for relationship”.
Unfiltered. But to be fair the style of this channel is naturally unfiltered so I would say just keep doing what you're doing.
Just started watching this episode. And wow I'm already excited for the next one!
I love these kinds of open conversations & I wish more people could participate in discussions with removed judgments, while remaining open to new perspectives & ideas. It’s healthy & interesting! Thanks for the stimulating conversations! ☁️🤩☁️🙌☁️🧠☁️
I loved the topics you discussed and how you tackled them! I can't wait for the next episode about quantum mechanic :)
Yes, unfiltered!
Unfliltered. This was a great conversation.
Too many people are hiring coaches who will always offer them some level of gentle approval in order to keep the client and keep getting paid, instead of getting actual friends who will be less afraid to disagree with them, call them out when they behave in unacceptable ways. It's making people more narcissistic and self-absorbed, I believe.
Yep
You know people like this personally? I’d be interested in talking with them.
@@julekim cmon, you've seen them.
unfilterd❤
choose discomfort over resentment ... wow! = minute 19:50
"why we have so much strong assumptions about people and so little information" - minute 49:00 - thank you Chris.
You're very welcome
@@thefutur adding 1:04:45 - spot patterns, and flip the No with the Yes, but look for the good ideas and don't the bad ideas become too loud and don't pick up anything. Thank you!
and "How do you do one thing is how you do everything?" - who said this?
@@thefutur lastly - looking forward to the next episode!
WORDS create and destroy
Chris would like to hear your feedback on the Jaguar rebrand
I agree about the “proud of you!” Exactly, I talk to my children that way…
I don’t say I’m proud because of something they do…I am always proud of them🥹I think you’re exactly right!!!
Is that a USM shelf unit behind you Chris?
My favorite combo is back again! The conversation about not saying "I'm proud of you" got me thinking because I tend to express this to my friends, but it makes sense that it could sound like I'm putting myself in a more powerful position or somehow taking some credit. I'm curious what people at the receiving end think about this-which is exactly what Julie added later, weighing people's intentions, and letting the love in.
We have a coaching pandemic. In 2050 69% of people will be a coach
haha
"I'm proud of you" part made me thinking. It can indeed mean that we want to get credit for someone's accomplishments, while we only mean: "I rejoice in having a friend, who did this or that etc." I'm still betting 99,99% people would take the original version as a big compliment and never search for the double bottom.
A lot of commenters on social seem to not like hearing the phrase from people who aren’t family or close friends. This is one of those phrases where the usage has turned the original meaning (deep satisfaction watching someone else accomplish something) vs how it plays out in our families.
@@julekim oh Yeah! This would be cringy if I tell you now JULE KIM, I'm proud of your show with Chris! :D
@@AlexLionYes1 💀
She sounds very AI.
The no more bullshit part towards the end, talking about how people in training don't do what they're told. While I understand the frustration on your end, isn't that the most common problem to begin with? So wouldn't the coach's primary job be to deal with this exact issue and to get them going?
I'm of an opinion that most people actually know what to do already. They know what needs to be done, it's the DOING part that people struggle with.
The saying "you can bring the horse to water but you can't make her drink" is absolutely correct, but wouldn't a coach's job be exactly that, to deal with that problem? I guess the fair thing to say is that it would be a specific type of coach to deal with that problem.
I've been thinking about this a lot because it's by far the most common problem, but one that isn't effectively addressed anywhere. "Just do it" is not a good plan, because you're dealing with a person who is struggling to do it, that's their whole problem. All this valuable golden advice we can find on this channel or any other ones is absolutely worthless if people don't take action on it.
For you Chris, I get it. But for Jule, as a coach, seems a bit harsh to expect people to just have that execution muscle developed, unless you work specifically with people who have a track record of execution.
Agreed, it's the same thing with therapy. A psychologist can tell you what to do to solve your mental health problems, but awareness doesn't always trigger action. Taking action is a special problem that requires a very special kind of coaching...and most coaches don't know how to address it. Mainly because it requires more skill and work. That's why writing books is a popular way to coach. Because it's easier to sell information, then action...or results.
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As an online fitness coach I 100% agree
I was thinking the same while listening. I guess we don't know the whole story about this particular client. From my experience (I am a coach as well) facilitating progress and moving with the client is the most important. I work in 6 months programs and I noted that first 3 months is unlearning and understanding our current behaviour and next 3 months is building on the change, new thoughts patterns and it's crucial because people will often go back into old behaviour while implementing new. I always say, show client their "bullshit" and let them decide what they want to do with it in non judgemental way.