Why Can’t Superheroes Throw Good Punches?

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  • @wolfhawk1999
    @wolfhawk1999 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2761

    Honestly, most superheroes don't need to. That's why The Hulk and Superman get bodied by supervillains that have the same power level. They never learned how to fight because a sloppy punch from the Hulk or Superman will kill basically anyone on the planet

    • @senseisethreacts
      @senseisethreacts  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +812

      …that’s a great point

    • @cosmic_JAV
      @cosmic_JAV 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +467

      very good point.. I can't remember what cartoon it was from, but it was a Justice League cartoon, Batman, Superman, and Stargirl, all end up getting switched to each other's bodies. Both Superman and Stargirl struggle, while Batman who never relied on superpowers and actually trained to be a combatant, doesn't have the slightest trouble.

    • @DaTimmeh
      @DaTimmeh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +189

      To add to this, a lot of technique is about not hurting yourself, especially all the small bones in your hands. Not a concern for most super heroes.

    • @JERRY-ut4vr
      @JERRY-ut4vr 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      @@cosmic_JAV Yeah I remember, it was from justice league action

    • @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935
      @fireeaglefitnessmartialart935 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +67

      Which is also why characters like wonder woman and similar are combatively superior, cuz she has the combat skill and the superhuman power to match. I love watching most of her animated fight scenes. They're so clean. Although I'm sure to save on budget, they do show her doing the same as superman sometimes.

  • @foolycoolytheband
    @foolycoolytheband 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1560

    It's worse for daredevil since his father was a supposed to be a professional boxer

    • @dimesonhiseyes9134
      @dimesonhiseyes9134 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +168

      And he was trained by a professional boxer.

    • @andrewrex9041
      @andrewrex9041 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +109

      he didn’t learn boxing from his father who didn’t want to train him. Stick trained him but maybe focused too much on other combat sports and martial arts than boxing

    • @prince_of_stride123
      @prince_of_stride123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +33

      My understanding was his father was more of a street fighter but would get hired to take dives in professional matches. I feel like I remember that from somewhere. Let me know if I just made that up or not.

    • @paulpolpiboon9535
      @paulpolpiboon9535 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Unless I'm misunderstanding reality, your father's actions don't belong to you...

    • @dimesonhiseyes9134
      @dimesonhiseyes9134 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@prince_of_stride123 depends on when and who was writing the story. But what you were saying was used at least once.

  • @DragonTigerBoss
    @DragonTigerBoss 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1456

    For what it's worth, Rocky is actually supposed to be kinda bad. The whole point is that he's a working class, borderline "special person" who goes the distance with a much stronger, smarter man.

    • @charliericker274
      @charliericker274 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +245

      Yeah, it's also the first movie, he is supposed to be basically washed up at that point. But Creed was not stronger, he was faster and smarter but Rocky was always strong and tough that was what he had going for him.

    • @DragonTigerBoss
      @DragonTigerBoss 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +148

      @@charliericker274 Yeah, that's true, Rocky is definitely meant to be physically strong as fuck. Creed is his superior as a boxer in most ways, but underestimated him. He was trying to crush a can and ran into a keg.

    • @heymelon
      @heymelon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

      He is not. He is supposed to be a tough jorneyman that is good at boxing and knowing the fundamentals, but still so far from the level of a champion to create that underdog scenario you mention.

    • @oscarthebarbarian9673
      @oscarthebarbarian9673 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      haha special person, fair

    • @midwaysilver
      @midwaysilver 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

      Yeah, rocky was just a tough mf who hit hard in the first movie but he wasnt a good boxer. The first movie was about him being the underdog and having the grit to pull through against a great champion

  • @perumksoaks
    @perumksoaks 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +758

    dosent matter how good of an actor, the heavy bag will expose you.

    • @GaryTongue-zn5di
      @GaryTongue-zn5di 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Leave Roseanne out of this!

    • @mat7083
      @mat7083 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ⁠@@GaryTongue-zn5diWho’s Roseanne?

  • @SwordTune
    @SwordTune 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +846

    If Captain America punched a bag with good form, there wouldn't be a bag anymore.

    • @MR._BEAN35
      @MR._BEAN35 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      true, true; this is true 😄

    • @TheJarlath9
      @TheJarlath9 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +50

      I think actors throw punches that look good on camera thats just it ofcourse they can us proper technique but does it look good ?.

    • @zato-1766
      @zato-1766 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Well then he's kind of wasting his time lol. He should get a different thing that he can actually do some excercise on.

    • @otallono
      @otallono 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      conor mcgregor is a pro fighter yet he looked terrible acting like one

    • @Michau940
      @Michau940 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Also Steve probably did't have any actual hand to hand combat training at this point, he was improvising.

  • @chaosapple7771
    @chaosapple7771 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +481

    I'm always more forgiving with the cap scene. Not just because he is taking stress out on the bag so form is less important, but this is also a cap who hasn't had much unarmed combat training by this point. Not much time to take boxing classes while fighting in WW2, and he has probably only been thawed out for a few months.

    • @senseisethreacts
      @senseisethreacts  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +185

      This makes me feel better

    • @moz5831
      @moz5831 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +57

      Not sure about boxing, but the US combat troops were trained Judo and wrestling during WWII. More to boost the morale, since doesn’t really help against mavhone guns and bombs, but it happened. Jack Dempsey actually trained troops and made books about grappling for them.
      In the comics Cap is one of the best non-armed fighters in the world, here I guess they want to show that he is just ridiculously strong.

    • @chaosapple7771
      @chaosapple7771 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      @moz5831 Fair points! Though I will point out a few things.
      Modern soldiers and marines today are taught unarmed combat as well. And it is for one VERY specific reason. Get the guy off you long enough to shoot them.
      You can't really train people how to properly fight at a high level in a 12-week boot camp. Even if all you focused on was unarmed combat, which they probably don't even devote 12 days to it, it still wouldn't be enough to be good by any stretch of the imagination.
      You can see in the films that Cap gets more skilled. Look at his style of fighting in the first film vs. Winter Soldier. He uses a lot more kicks, throws, clinch work, etc. They show he gets better as the films go on.
      True! Cap is one of the best fighters in the Marvel comics, but how he got that way is very vague. The few comics that do mention it point to him having "private tutors" or "instructors." As well as mentioning how he was taken under the wings of Rex Applegate and William Fairbairn who trained him in martial arts. Which isn't ever mentioned in the films, so we can't assume happend in the MCU timeline. 🤷‍♂️

    • @chaosapple7771
      @chaosapple7771 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @senseisethreacts He is still awesome either way Seth! At least his combat is a lot better in the sequels lol. 😄

    • @samfisher1024
      @samfisher1024 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      100%agree with the Cap scene. If you remember. Its only like a week into bootcamp he got the serum. But then he was put on stage inside of taught how to fight. Its not till a year i think later hes over seas doing the performance. Then goes Rogue. So yeah he was in fights but like never refined technique. Then he gets frozen and thawed out 70 years later. Theyre kind Vague on the time frame of him being awake. But that could be like 2 days later. You do see him get better each movie. Implying hes learning on the go.

  • @Nil_Echo
    @Nil_Echo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +434

    For something like this, I think that before you ask "is this character hitting the bag properly?" you should ask "should this character know how to hit the bag properly?" and "is there anything (like high emotions) that explains why this character is hitting the bag badly?"

    • @Parostem
      @Parostem 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

      I was going to say this exactly. The "Never Back Down" scene in particular seems like it's intentionally having the student show poor form in order to emphasize that they're a novice, and need to learn from the mentor character.

    • @otallono
      @otallono 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      he just needs to make sure it lands, he already has super strength so skill is irrelevant

    • @ivoryas1696
      @ivoryas1696 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +29

      @NiL_Echo
      To be fair, Daredevil is _still pretty _*_thoroughly_* disappointing given those facts, lol.

    • @Cilent__
      @Cilent__ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If the character is supposed to know how to fight then emotions shouldn't matter.

    • @devalarees9987
      @devalarees9987 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      ​@@ivoryas1696 Yeah, honestly that scene is dark enough they should've just had the stunt double do it.

  • @rando5673
    @rando5673 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +297

    "They don't need to, they're so strong already"
    Ok but as a super villain, who would you rather get punched by, a random guy with super strength or a random guy with super strength who is also Mike Tyson

    • @johannesstephanusroos4969
      @johannesstephanusroos4969 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

      The second option, it would hurt less, because I'd be vaporised/instantly dead 🙃

    • @kiritotheabridgedgod4178
      @kiritotheabridgedgod4178 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      The first option, not because of anything to do with stance, but more to do with the fact that'd I'd be really weirded out of if a super started nibbling my ear during a fight.

    • @user-nu8vw1ow4n
      @user-nu8vw1ow4n 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Mike Tyson isnt Wall Level while Fictional characters are.

    • @PoIarisPrime
      @PoIarisPrime 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@user-nu8vw1ow4n he is wall level

    • @Manny-fc8ym
      @Manny-fc8ym 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@user-nu8vw1ow4nwhat

  • @alexrobinet7576
    @alexrobinet7576 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +141

    Punching kirby is a bold move.

    • @Enthymene
      @Enthymene 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      if there's any Smash character that could literally eat all your best shots, it's Kirby

    • @nixetoile
      @nixetoile 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Dudes canonically kills gods, i dont think hes gonna take it

    • @selassieaspen9940
      @selassieaspen9940 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      So has every smash character. Pit literally did it again 25 years on a dead series. Even fire emblem does it. 😂​@@nixetoile

  • @razakhan23465
    @razakhan23465 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +120

    Tbf, the Never Back Down scene is supposed to have him be bad at that point in the movie. He gets way better as he trains.

    • @jeremybooth6720
      @jeremybooth6720 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      Idk about WAY better 😂😂

    • @battub7384
      @battub7384 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Still end up fighting bad at the final fight. Also, his rival antagonist's attacks are easy to spot and counter in real life match.

    • @nicholasullery5129
      @nicholasullery5129 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@battub7384his rival antagonist.

    • @che3601
      @che3601 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Isn't he supposed to have good boxing from the get go tho

    • @Leon-mn8eo
      @Leon-mn8eo หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@che3601 no, he was formerly a football player. in never back down 2. one of them is a boxer yes.

  • @jamellee504
    @jamellee504 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +154

    I'm gonna become a superhero just so Sensei Seth can see me box

  • @bestboy.electric
    @bestboy.electric 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +127

    I'm a boxing coach with 20 years competitive experience - but I work full time as an actor - and nothing pains me more than watching actors throw terrible punches in movies/tv. So thanks for making this haha.

    • @draco_1876
      @draco_1876 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Hulk is the God of Wrath and his powers come from Hell. No martial artist is beating him.

    • @silviuvisan505
      @silviuvisan505 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@draco_1876 he is the god of cock and balls

  • @lomion7015
    @lomion7015 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +59

    The thing about cap punching is, there is anger, trauma and a lot of emotion. No focus. He is not training for form, he is venting.

    • @callumward7503
      @callumward7503 หลายเดือนก่อน

      *Hardcore Body Spammer*

    • @pullupenthusiast3800
      @pullupenthusiast3800 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Right but cap isn’t real and if he was his form would be impeccable no matter the circumstance.

  • @kwazimoto
    @kwazimoto 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Part of it is these are all actors, they're not martial artists, but there's also an interview with martial artist-turned-actor Michael Jai White who said what works in a real fight doesn't always look good on screen.
    And so the techniques we see in movies/TV fights are focused around what looks good to the camera and on-screen, and not necessarily what is "right" (proper technique, form, etc.) or would really work in an actual fight.

    • @MG-vo7pz
      @MG-vo7pz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Bruce Lee said the same thing

    • @GaryTongue-zn5di
      @GaryTongue-zn5di 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @kwazimoto
      Not just that dumbass, but also the fact they have to pull their punches and swing at each other and miss on purpose.

    • @fixthat3269
      @fixthat3269 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Except that's referring to when you're acting out a fight scene and not punching a punching bag, and it doesn't look good at all so there truly is no point.

  • @douglasmacneil4474
    @douglasmacneil4474 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    So, as someone that has done film choreography, a few MMA fights and a few Kickboxing bouts. Part of the reason they punch like that is because of the cinematographer/director. With the Daredevil one specifically, the director wanted him to "look like a boxer" which ironically makes Cox look less competent than his actual training footage.

  • @user-ot8kq6mo6e
    @user-ot8kq6mo6e 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

    I love that little seth in the corner

    • @GaryTongue-zn5di
      @GaryTongue-zn5di 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's him. In the corner!
      That's him in the - Spot- Light!
      Losing his Religion!
      Trying to keep- a view! ...and I don't know if he can do it!
      Oh, No! I've said too much!

  • @Hive-Mind-BBX
    @Hive-Mind-BBX 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +87

    The Divergence bit looks like she's trying to do Silat but without any blades.
    EDIT: Seen a lot of comments suggesting other styles or formats of blade work, various types of guard, etc, thank you, silat was simply the first that came to mind for some reason, and y'all reminded everyone that there's plenty else it could also be.
    😁👍

    • @Rogue_Zero
      @Rogue_Zero 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      Thought they look like kali without the baston

    • @kevinmarquez5733
      @kevinmarquez5733 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      I remember that Bale’s Batman liked to use hammer fists, but he at least mixed a lot of elbows in with them too

    • @trs4184
      @trs4184 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      to take it from the fight joordinator JJ Perry, "[Stunt coordinator] Garrett [Warren] and I took it upon ourselves to do something a bit different. The way that they stood, it’s what old boxers from the ‘30s and ‘40s called peekaboo stance, where you put one elbow in front, and wrap the other hand across your stomach, and put a hand up by your chin and tuck your chin below your forward shoulder. It’s the way George Foreman used to stand. We lean them forward a bit more. We experimented with a bunch of things, and that stance and fighting position looked the most interesting. It was supposed to look like something was different. People usually say this to me when I’m doing a film. They go, ‘I want to see something that’s never been seen before.’ The problem is everything’s been seen before!"
      So, uh it's based on a peekaboo stance, which it clearly isn't, and also on Foreman's cross guard, which it also clearly isn't.

    • @Rogue_Zero
      @Rogue_Zero 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      @@trs4184 clearly they didn't know shit about what they were talking about... That was far from peek a boo and more on hitman than anything if we base the stance on boxing

    • @Nobleman67
      @Nobleman67 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      ⁠​⁠@@Rogue_ZeroI’m also on board with calling this Kali/Escrima/Balintawak. It’s the same strike pattern just without the escrima sticks. Originates from the Philippines. I have several Filipino friends that are proficient in this style some that have studied with Master Bobby Taboda. It’s really a fascinating form to watch when done well.

  • @tzuwarrior499
    @tzuwarrior499 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    The best part of the Rocky movies is his awesome blocking. He uses his face!!!😊

    • @bhb5662
      @bhb5662 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I wish I knew how to block like that. It's just so hard to do

    • @silviuvisan505
      @silviuvisan505 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not once did he put his hands up. What a beast.

    • @milosstojanovic4623
      @milosstojanovic4623 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Many boxers use lower guard, not at all surprising.

  • @oscarpeer5125
    @oscarpeer5125 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Most of the actors look like every Muay Thai beginner. Ever.

  • @sibsart2039
    @sibsart2039 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

    One thing to point out, there are times actors are told to punch the bag in a “bad” way. Cause they want big movement that the audience can see rather then accurate punches to what a good fighter would throw.

    • @callumward7503
      @callumward7503 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      The Frames just makes a fast punch look like a blur.

    • @theshermantanker7043
      @theshermantanker7043 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Honestly, if you're a superhero you probably have muscles that can accelerate their contractions to beyond the speed of sound in 2 nanoseconds. At that level it doesn't matter if you punch with wide looping fists or not, because your big looping punch is still going to be far too fucking fast to counter anyway

  • @yeshuaislord7773
    @yeshuaislord7773 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    Michael Jai White is legit black belt and eight different martial arts so he definitely knows what he’s talking about

  • @101289teutonicguy
    @101289teutonicguy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +92

    The michael jai white scene is just showing the difference between momentum and kinetic energy. Momentum tends to move people but if you can get your strikes moving faster they create cavitation which causes more tissue damage (like a gunshot wound). Every strike has both but some styles emphasize one over the other. Here its muay thai vs karate.

    • @saiyanninjawarriorz
      @saiyanninjawarriorz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      Exactly! He's basically demonstrated the difference between knocking someone back vs kicking through them

    • @alphonsojr6014
      @alphonsojr6014 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      I was surprised he gave the only actual martial artist a mid grade

    • @harrisonplott4674
      @harrisonplott4674 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      thank you i thought i was going crazy

    • @kraagnjilwulf1413
      @kraagnjilwulf1413 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ...cavitation? You mean hydrostatic shock? If you're causing bubbles to form in you opponents flesh when you hit them, I think they're dead. I really don't think someone will survive anything that's going fast enough to cause cavitation.

  • @Olixer109
    @Olixer109 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Rocky people were just hating and the never back down part is before he's actually gotten training so it makes sense he sucks.

    • @romanpreuss3489
      @romanpreuss3489 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Its understandable that he sucks in never back down, but then the mentor comes in and tells him to start kicking aswell instead of correcting his very poor boxing technique.
      This reveals that his boxing was supposed to be decent.

    • @GaryTongue-zn5di
      @GaryTongue-zn5di 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @Olixer109
      Also, the Rocky Movies are shot backwards order with Stallone already being in great shape when they start shooting, then he lets himself go and gain fat weight.

    • @skyereave9454
      @skyereave9454 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@romanpreuss3489 I thi k its more that he just slugs at everything. Earlier in the movie, the antagonist points out that old fashioned fisticuffs wouldnt work and that he needs to mix it up so i guess it was for narrative consistency.

  • @noahllanos286
    @noahllanos286 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +55

    some of my least favorite scenes from daredevil were when he was training on the heavy bag

    • @giambrew
      @giambrew 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Do they not have a stunt or fight choreographer for training scenes?

    • @noahllanos286
      @noahllanos286 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@giambrew the fight scenes ironically look so much better and daredevil is known for them, which makes it frustrating that they arent as detail oriented for smth simple like a punching bag montage

    • @giambrew
      @giambrew 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      @@noahllanos286 I’m going to assume trim the budget is what caused that so they don’t pay a choreographer for those days. “Ah, we don’t need him on set, it’s just a montage”

    • @ismaelalles
      @ismaelalles 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@noahllanos286i think its becouse the stunt actor (wich is amazing by the way) did the fight scenes but not the punching bag ones becouse someone said: "what is the risk of punching a punching bag? Is less dangerous for the actor so we gonna put the actor in this scenes"

    • @noahllanos286
      @noahllanos286 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@ismaelalles this actually makes a lot of sense

  • @taivaunlynch3114
    @taivaunlynch3114 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    Giving Michael Jai White a 6 is actually insane lol

    • @Vitor20XX
      @Vitor20XX 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Jai white is overrated

    • @harrydavey9884
      @harrydavey9884 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@Vitor20XXhow the hell is he overrated? He's one of the best Martial Artist Actors and he's had WAY less success than the likes if Seagal, JCVD, Norris, Bruce Lee, Jet Li, Chan etc, he's literally one of the most underrated out there.

  • @kellykimberly9785
    @kellykimberly9785 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    My take on this is that the actor (sometimes isnt trained) but they want the close up scene with their face, so they sometimes have no choice but to let them get away with that (most directors may not be able to see the subtleties for these punching bag scenes) and then even when it comes to their stunt double coming in to do the fight choreography, the way punches done in action scenes are meant to look more dynamic and to reduce potential risk of injuring the other stunt actor and also to allow the camera man to have a higher chance of stacking the shot so it looks like it connects (yes stunt acting punches usually are technically wrong)

  • @Synthetic-Rabbit
    @Synthetic-Rabbit 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    The Rocky "meat scene" is iconic. Who hates on that?

    • @RedSplinter36
      @RedSplinter36 24 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Right?!?!? The films are legendary... plus Stallone really trained for those films. His form is meant to be rough... He's an underdog!!!

  • @efnick96
    @efnick96 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    Can we have more reactions to the "gems" called never back down movies ?

    • @voss456
      @voss456 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      The first one still slaps idc what ppl say, it’s still awesome.

    • @cosmic_JAV
      @cosmic_JAV 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      He's reacted to the first one

  • @lastsamurai1089
    @lastsamurai1089 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    How was hammerfist girl not the worst one 🤣🤣🤣 Also I just ordered the daredevil hayabusa gloves, time for some vertical punches!

    • @gunchar06
      @gunchar06 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Cause the hammerfist girl scenes were apparently about an untrained beginner learning some Ultra weird fantasy style, it's far worse if someone like Daredevil don't know how to do it properly for obvious reasons.

  • @joelrivardguitar
    @joelrivardguitar 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Cap's fight with Winter Soldier in the street was epic. Cap threw a crazy flying knee and hit a suplex on Bucky.

  • @billbill6094
    @billbill6094 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    The Daredevil scene sucks especially because the fights in the show are actually top level, the MCU wishes they had that level of quality and choreography as the DD show. This includes actually good punches, and not just from stunt doubles but Charlie Cox himself who was doing most of the fight scenes and almost all his own stunts by season 3 (the prison scene is a real one take and 100% Charlie). Watch it if you haven't, but even when something happens that causes him to do less acrobatic kicking and switch to Muay Thai as his main style, it's _still_ so good and visceral. (Apparently when Charlie Cox eventually got into the MCU the people working with him were impressed because they would storyboard a scene on location with Charlie, expecting that they had to bring in a stunt double for the flips and acrobatics they were planning, but then he would just super casually do all the stunts right there without any fanfare. Even though he's mostly a dramatic actor his physical skills from working on the show were actually great.)
    The Rocky movies have notoriously bad boxing, I didn't think that was an unpopular opinion. You go to those movies to see the heart, not good technique. Even the Creed movies which had better choreo and real boxers at times was still just no footwork CTE trading slugfests.

  • @cln5418
    @cln5418 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    Id love to see you and icy Mike breakdown scenes from jack reacher, punisher, and without remorse

  • @arablues4142
    @arablues4142 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    Suuuuuuure Like you know more than Captain America, He has been doing this since before you were born.

  • @douglasmacneil4474
    @douglasmacneil4474 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The Cap thing is phenomenal, he is just working the pivot on the hooks and trying not to kill the bag, then slowly ramps up as memories seep into his attention. Then the cross he does shift his feet for it, right after you complained about that. He was working on a specific thing, that is a phenomenal example of someone with superhuman strength actually training correctly on a specific technique and purely focusing on technique.

  • @wjjwTheDemigod
    @wjjwTheDemigod 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I'd like to see you react to the different wooden dummy scenes. The one of Felicity from Arrow doing it is painful to watch.

  • @ignitionfrn2223
    @ignitionfrn2223 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    1 : This is a trope called *Good Old fistcuffs* : where a styless brawler beats a trained martial artist (TV Tropes)
    2: Shoutout to one of my favorite old school boxer, Tommy Moore from the Bartitsu Lab (youtube channel of the same name)

  • @tarettime9392
    @tarettime9392 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    With the never back down one he should’ve compared to the later montage of him hitting that combo to show his training progression

  • @Taytell
    @Taytell 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

    popping in at 5:58 is gold

  • @brianquint6126
    @brianquint6126 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +65

    Good punches don't look good on camera. Michael Jai White explains it pretty well.

    • @NewMcNewness
      @NewMcNewness 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Erm, have you seen Mike Tyson work a bag? I've seen the video you are referring to but he doesn't put it that way. Some kicks/combos don't look good on film, but bad form is a very different thing

    • @Leo.23232
      @Leo.23232 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

      thats not what he said, he was talking about stuff like question mark kicks which dont look good on camera since its too fast for the average person to really understand whats being done and why its effective, it would just look like a weird kick

    • @DABA2024
      @DABA2024 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      Bad punches looks even worse.

    • @johngr1747
      @johngr1747 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Idk where he said that but I disagree!

    • @Leo.23232
      @Leo.23232 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@johngr1747 he didn't say it, but what hes reffering to is something similar he said in the jesse enkamp video

  • @user-qs5ef2qi7d
    @user-qs5ef2qi7d 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    the part where you called me weak small and frail really got me in the feels

  • @seraphinaaizen6278
    @seraphinaaizen6278 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    You'd think, with a movie that has a billion dollar budget, they'd be able to hire a decent boxing coach to train the actors.
    I think Rocky was using ortho in that scene so the camera could see his expression. Just a convenience of film making over attention to detail.

    • @mercatorjubio3804
      @mercatorjubio3804 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The first ROCKY was extremely low budget, they worked with what they had. Stallone had hardly any boxing experience before that and brought himself up to speed in a very short time.
      For that it's more than okay.

    • @seraphinaaizen6278
      @seraphinaaizen6278 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@mercatorjubio3804 Yeah, I wasn't talking about Rocky in the first sentence. I was talking about the Marvel movies and other high budget attempts.

    • @mercatorjubio3804
      @mercatorjubio3804 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@seraphinaaizen6278
      Agree on those blockbusters. Apart from that the same goes for cultural advisors and language coaches. Seems like all the money goes into the CGI with no attention o the important stuff, that would make it somewhat more compelling.

  • @inigomontoya4109
    @inigomontoya4109 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So one thing I will say about the Captain America scene in it's favor is it's pretty similar to the old videos of Big George Foreman working the heavy bag during his training. He would have sessions where he just stands in front of the bag ripping low body shots into it just rotating his hips and barely moving his feet. I don't think anyone would seriously say Foreman doesn't know how to punch or work a bag, but he did like to just stand in front of that heavy bag and rip into it at times with little to no footwork and it made those bags look like fucking playdo after he was done. I think with Steve its just a situation of him wanting to feel pain in his knuckles and hands and so he's just ripping into the bags where they have the most filling / are the hardest.

  • @ranmarius
    @ranmarius 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I remember seeing all of these scenes when I watched the movies/TV shows, and every time I see bag training, I always shake my head in how terrible they are. But now watching it again through your channel, they make me laugh 😂

  • @jmacracken
    @jmacracken 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    with the cap scene. ive seen some videos of 70s and 80s heavyweight boxers hit the bag that way. i think george foreman was one. i think they used that method to get hip rotation and power.

    • @bigd5899
      @bigd5899 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah foreman did something like that but he did it right. By comparison evans is getting no power into his punches even though hes built like a tree.

    • @jmacracken
      @jmacracken 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Doesn't look that bad to me.

  • @MrMwmussel1
    @MrMwmussel1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    When you’re infinitely strong you don’t need form.

    • @foggelman6830
      @foggelman6830 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Waht

    • @doesntmatter7560
      @doesntmatter7560 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢🧢

    • @user-vm3dd4yd2l
      @user-vm3dd4yd2l 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Head movement though
      💀💀💀

    • @guardian2-735
      @guardian2-735 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      Until you fight someone else who's infinitely strong

    • @user-vm3dd4yd2l
      @user-vm3dd4yd2l 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@guardian2-735 ur high😂😭

  • @Ithro-Ithrozovich
    @Ithro-Ithrozovich 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    7:20 It's Bullshido. Happy to help! 👍

  • @MakCurrel
    @MakCurrel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I kept thinking of the scene where Russell Crowe punches a wrapped up water tank in Soldier. I can't remember if the punching is good or bad. But I can remember the absurdity of him punching a metal tank to show his a human in peak form.

    • @darkchild130
      @darkchild130 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Kurt Russell.

  • @LeSteeler
    @LeSteeler 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    As a fighter, most Superheroes Throw Good Punches…like every Batman

    • @terrycruise-zd5tw
      @terrycruise-zd5tw หลายเดือนก่อน

      batman isnt a superhero, hes just a rich dude

  • @flashwgordon
    @flashwgordon หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    "Oh, oh Daredevil, oh no, no, no, no."
    I almost spat out my dinner 😂

  • @ClarenceDass
    @ClarenceDass 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a great video. My wife and I started doing Muay Thai about 3 weeks ago and so much of what you're pointing out as wrong is just great pointers for us to watch out for. And after actually learning the boxing side of Muay Thai, it is crazy how so much of boxing in movies and TV shows is just wrong. Especially the foot work and stances, aside from people dropping guards and not lining up elbows.
    Thank you for the video.

  • @jeremiahstanson8484
    @jeremiahstanson8484 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Divergent...you think her punching is bad, you should see the way she runs.

  • @kalebpratt5635
    @kalebpratt5635 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    If you're planning on doing a part 2, I think I remember the original Roadhouse movie having pretty questionable bag work.

  • @black.sasuke.uchiha
    @black.sasuke.uchiha หลายเดือนก่อน

    Didn’t even realize this was the second channel until Seth popped up from the corner. I subscribed!

  • @itpugil
    @itpugil 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I always thought the same thing! Every time I see actors do it on screen.

  • @broenslee1981
    @broenslee1981 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I would love to see you react to the trainings sequence from Bloodsport & Kickboxer & No retreat No surrender from JCVD.
    ❤your work

    • @RigobertoRoque-nb4nw
      @RigobertoRoque-nb4nw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      No!!! there is no right way to provide critique without damaging an entire era of great movies!... let the veterans live on... (catching falling coconuts directly to the abdomen...seems legit👍)

  • @gw1357
    @gw1357 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    The Captain America one from the first Avengers movie is not great, largely because the bag isn't actually there. The bag is CGI. They did it that way so they could make it jump more and make the chains louder and all that. I'm not sure why they didn't just make the bag lighter and add the "heavier" sound in post-production.

    • @senseisethreacts
      @senseisethreacts  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He’s 100% hitting a bag

    • @gw1357
      @gw1357 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@senseisethreacts As I recall, in the shots from behind with the short body hooks, the bag is added in. The one where he punches the bag across the room I think is a practical effect. Let me try and find the source.

    • @pullupenthusiast3800
      @pullupenthusiast3800 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Unless Chris evans can somehow break the laws of physics, there’s definitely a bag there

  • @dayeene6160
    @dayeene6160 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You had me at at the intro man hahaha. Heard about you from icu mike and Shane’s channel/comment section. Subscribed. Love the content

  • @caravaneerkhed
    @caravaneerkhed 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I actually didn’t know this was your second channel! That genuinely helped and I did indeed subscribe! Also, I have the title h2o wobble bag, put about 220lbs of a mix of sand and water, I do like it a lot but getting used to the bag swinging from top has caused me to injure my left wrist. Very sad about it, basically I learned that timing on this bag is very important but in a different way to hanging bags.

  • @Samuel.Strange.Supreme
    @Samuel.Strange.Supreme 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    All I got from this is that Sensei Seth would beat Daredevil in a fight 👊

  • @GreyfauxxGaming
    @GreyfauxxGaming 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    For the Daredevil show
    1: Daredevil can see through eco-location.
    2: I think they were trying to sell that he's irish, cuz big part movie is his guilt with being a Catholic.

  • @josh-kickk3539
    @josh-kickk3539 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Loved this video!

  • @BourneFighting
    @BourneFighting 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Daredevil is my favorite superhero show ever but that scene always killed me. He was raised by a boxer too!! Cmon Matt. How did the choreographers let that rock because otherwise all the fights are great in that show.

  • @Annokh
    @Annokh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    "I'm watching the guy in the back more than I watch her"
    Well, that's perfectly understandable that you don't want to hurt yourself, Seth!

  • @jckingsley
    @jckingsley 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You just gave a weak/no muscle person a 5 compared to Daredevil at 2.8. lol Daredevil was self taught until Stick came along to train him. After that he was trained by the Ninja known as The Hand via Elektra. After that he was just a student of martial arts in general, and he DEFINITELY would have taken a liking to Wing Chun / Tai Chi type stuff for all the sensitivity training. The stunt choreographers also designed the Daredevil bits while completely focused on the fact that he is blind and altered how he fought accordingly. There's actually a GREAT vid out there on it that you should review when ya get a chance.

  • @darkchild130
    @darkchild130 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Captain America was a fucking nerd, he uses his super physical abilities instinctively.
    He gets a pass.

  • @loreleimonn3220
    @loreleimonn3220 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    the divergent one makes me think of stances and moves you’d do with escrima sticks, except they aren’t holding the sticks. so the moves don’t make sense bc you don’t have the weapons maintaining the guard and distance or the reach on the strikes, so it becomes that weird hammerfist

  • @DeathxThexKid100
    @DeathxThexKid100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    At 5:40 , I think it looks like Keysi fighting system/defense lab.
    "The dark knight" features Keysi fighting system as batman's style of fighting.

    • @modernchow
      @modernchow 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      also kinda sorta looks like a bad impression of ryu's stance in street fighter 2, sorta haha

    • @IzzyTheKickassKid
      @IzzyTheKickassKid 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not Keysi, maybe someone saw one seminar and based the choreography off that

    • @gerekgerek9042
      @gerekgerek9042 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was thinking it might be a bad 52 Blocks skull and bones stance.

  • @Devilsblood
    @Devilsblood 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Nobody bad mouths Rocky!

  • @blacktoothlongwalker1037
    @blacktoothlongwalker1037 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Daredevil fights like he's only seen bag work as a kid. Which, to be fair, is true.

  • @MichaelPorcayo
    @MichaelPorcayo หลายเดือนก่อน

    The algorithm blessed me with this video 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽 liked and subbed

  • @darksaberclan6913
    @darksaberclan6913 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Deardevil does know a few martial arts in the comics however , In the show I believe it's boxing , judo , Bjj and karate , with some techniques from his sensei .

  • @j.p.iswoke3960
    @j.p.iswoke3960 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The honest reviews are the funniest ones 😂

  • @jahigains9201
    @jahigains9201 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Rocky just seems to be working power shots and we all know Rocky blocks with his face anyway 😂

  • @MysteicVoltronus
    @MysteicVoltronus 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I think the hooks to the body always look good because of where the hand has to drop to before the punch is thrown. Your elbow is naturally by your side and has no choice but to be directly behind the fist. It is also a punch that naturally pulls you into a motion that creates some body twist. I personal think you would have to work to throw a bad body hook.

  • @MrGriff305
    @MrGriff305 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Rocky is perfect. You can't insult Rocky

  • @graveyj2000
    @graveyj2000 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You wanted him to punch the meat in the back so he didn't get caught.

  • @BrandonCroy
    @BrandonCroy 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    As a long time fan, I cannot possibly recommend this enough, you need to check out the Killer Bean Jet Bean fight.

  • @gregory4154
    @gregory4154 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It's cause these are actors. Fighting is an alien concept to them, just like when a 9 mm knocks a guy back 20 feet. There never has been realism and never will be.

  • @jamesortega8681
    @jamesortega8681 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    its like criticizing a fish for swimming when he is walking. you are criticizing their boxing for their film making

    • @ivara1030
      @ivara1030 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think they are criticizing the boxing in films.

  • @jahigains9201
    @jahigains9201 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It drives me nuts too, but the hands are always low because they want you to be able to see the actor

  • @pedrinho12
    @pedrinho12 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    alex pereira puches exactly how seths was saying it is wrong

  • @Wiseblood2012
    @Wiseblood2012 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Anybody else watching this, so that when we get into the movies, we don't disappoint Sensei Seth.

  • @jackolman
    @jackolman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Stallone hurt his hands in that meat punching scene.

  • @wojciechsawicki4733
    @wojciechsawicki4733 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    worst part about daredevil is that the scene is so dark they could've gotten away with a body double who can actually fight

  • @jonyoon
    @jonyoon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I thought you were going to use the audio from the arcade game Punch Out! at the end. You know, "Left! Right! BodyBlow! BodyBlow!" 😂

  • @kyobear5453
    @kyobear5453 หลายเดือนก่อน

    “Hitting that thing” …. Kirby?! Out of context that’s such a wild thing to say 😂

  • @CRValtierra
    @CRValtierra 18 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My man was really fighting Kirby 🤣🤣🤣

  • @teketterer
    @teketterer 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    THANK YOU!

  • @damianleavitt4133
    @damianleavitt4133 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    In ten seconds you already related with me and got me hooked lol I too cannot stand movie punches 9/10 times

  • @RM_3D
    @RM_3D 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Dude is rinsing the blind guy hitting the heavy bags :p

  • @LAVATORR
    @LAVATORR 19 วันที่ผ่านมา

    One thing I loved about Infinity War was how Thanos manhandled the Hulk using extremely basic boxing instead of giant cartoon haymakers

  • @heronpereira5754
    @heronpereira5754 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Just remembering, in never back down scene for example. it makes sense the lack of skill in form and in throwing punches. The guy was just a street brawler with a couple of weeks/mounths training.

  • @mohammedmamedov3419
    @mohammedmamedov3419 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I recommend watching Rocky hit the bag in the sixth part. I personally really liked the way he worked in that film (training scene)

  • @opeboi1539
    @opeboi1539 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In defense of daredevil’s guard, he doesn’t really care much about self preservation

  • @Dan_Jado
    @Dan_Jado หลายเดือนก่อน

    Rocky being the GOAT, as always XD

  • @The.babyface.assassin
    @The.babyface.assassin 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I get these goosebumps everytime 😂

  • @Trashy8
    @Trashy8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I was thinking about that Cap boxing scene from avengers when I was also training and practicing my Muay Thai moves on the bag, and while i was thinking about it i also accidentally started to to throw the same close upper cuts, or whatever was he trying to do snd after that my couch came in and started lecture me about propre punches again lol.

  • @BossCrazyRoss
    @BossCrazyRoss 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    When people hit a heavy bag I feel like a lot of times their goal is simply to make it move as much as it can, rather than just using good technique.

  • @I_Never_Lie
    @I_Never_Lie หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Next: Pro actors react to fighter acting skills.

    • @espelhogamer
      @espelhogamer หลายเดือนก่อน

      That would actually be very good since so many fighters end up acting on movies

  • @Shadow_dN
    @Shadow_dN 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    would be cool to see you react to some fight scenes from banshee, underrated show more people need to watch