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Houston Jones with his wrestling combined with his pain tolerance could definitely be a gatekeeper in the UFC. I'd love to see Sensei Seth do a collab with Houston.
All people "almost always can't fight". Most people aren't martial artist, so if most can't fight, at least be stronger and bigger than your opponent. This has worked for a great deal of humanity
I find that body builders who have trained to fight can actually fight. But body builders that haven't trained to fight , can't seem to fight. I also noticed that truck drivers that learnt to fight can actually fight. And truck drivers that haven't learnt to fight can't seem to fight.
Lifters started it. The victim weight trend lifters have been saying, shows how lifters think they can take anyone smaller then him. Or the “I’m 260 bro” so stop being hypocritical and playing victim when hella lifters act like there strength and size makes them the baddest man on the planet
And the lungs, too, which I guess is just saying the same thing twice. Square cube law is just a bitch, you're always gonna see the more efficient, stronger pound for pound fighters at the lighter weights.
I'm a small guy at 5'7" 135 lbs with a huge back and serratus for my size like Bruce Lee and I literally do not get tired. At my boxing gym, after a full conditioning workout with most students collapsed on the floor halfway in, I'm one of only 3 or 4 still at 100% So after all that my coach puts Menon the treadmill with the young guys (I'm 43) and told you can't stop until the slowest person gets a certain NJ number of miles Without a lot of mass my heart can go for hours but my personal trainer can exhaust me in ten minutes 😂
Strength yes... power no. Bodybuilders don't have the snap in their shots. When they hit you it's more of a push with a fist... but ya you're right, they get gassed Fast!
@@TheMatrixofMeaningwell in a fight it’s not always about endurance. A 270 pound guy wouldn’t need much of endurance bc he wouldn’t need to work as hard as you and he probably could finish you in a relatively short power exertion. So both is true at the same time, you have to compare weights and fighters
Nobody can really fight unless they train to fight. If a body builder trains to fight, he will be able to fight. Being a bodybuilder does not disqualify you from ever being able to fight.
Nobody said they can’t learn to fight. We are highlighting the myth “big volume muscle punch hard”. - It is a hip and leg movement, not triceps or biceps. When you snap back the punch it is similar to jump rope movement. I generally do around 6 min jump rope for warmup, I am about to start advanced mma in spring.
There are some mechanical issues with bodybuilders because of the way they train. They have extremely high muscle mass, which means their engine is inefficient and will run out of gas faster even if they have a big gas tank (which is not guaranteed at all). They also lack range of movement, flexibility, and speed. There are some fighters who juice and look similar to bodybuilders but most are much leaner and more flexible. Fighters optimize for efficiency, bodybuilders optimize for appearance.
@@IordanIovkov Wrong. Yes, some body builders, just like some non-body builders, have low endurance and lack range of motion. But there are also plenty of body builders who can also run marathons and are extremely flexible and fast. Just look at guys like Jujimufu and Bradley Martin. You want to sit there and tell me those guys aren't explosive and powerful? You are going by old stereotypes that were never really true to begin with. And there is no evidence at all the big muscles equates to an "inefficient engine". That's just nonsense. You ever done a set of 15 weighted squats? That is aerobic as fuck.
@@KurNorock You've clearly never done any martial arts before. Big overdeveloped muscles are a hindrance in your cardio and your ability to strike technically and efficiently. Even the jacked wrestlers in the UFC aren't built like a bodybuilder for a reason. The bodybuilders you talk about are the exception not the rule.
I've been weightlifting for about 4 years, went from 140 to 230, focusing on barbell movements over aesthetics, so relatively experienced. I've been training Muay Thai for about 3 months, so absolute beginner. I have a few takeaways: 1 - Smaller people are faster, I always knew this from watching but now I know from sparring. I get lit up. Cardio especially, I'm gassed in the warm-up while these dudes are running circles around me for fun. 2 - I'm stronger than most people in my gym, fighters talk like this is a weakness, but it's just not. If I have to defend myself against a random person, and I have 50 lbs on them, this is an advantage. If cardio and skill levels are similar, A fight comes down to strength. Fighters cope so hard with this. 3 - Fighters are obsessed with the fact that they are better at fighting than people who don't fight. It's mind-blowing how many people have told me I'm strong but can't fight in my first few lessons, even trainers. I've never come across a subculture that compares themselves to beginners so much. It's cringe. Imagine a rock climber telling all beginners how he's better all the time. It is insane. You have been practicing a skill for years, and comparing yourself to newbies, that says a lot about you. My social media algorithms all have this narrative. Guys at my gym say I'm generalizing if I bring this up. I'm going for a 405lb squat soon, I compare myself to people who can squat 405, not 45. I want to improve, not tell others I have improved.
I love this comment. I had this not too pleasant experience at the gym a few weeks ago with this older dude. The guy is incredibly insecure, especially being around me, who clearly lifts. I started going to a new gym about 2 months ago. This dude has made conversation with me a couple times and I realised he was an asshole then. He bragged about how big and strong he "used" to be, but he only lifts for endurance because heavy lifting gave him injuries. He bragged about having a young hot girlfriend at his age. He then tried to lecture me on how I spend far too long at the gym, that he has had to do chest day on a different day because I take too long on equipment (I am always fine with working in with strangers lol). That I am not building strength at all (you don't even know me). My size will gas me out in a fight, and I need to do more cardio. He also said that running is shit cardio - skipping is the best. But yeah, there are a lot of insecure fighters that will see a big muscular guy and mock him because he most likely can't fight, but he doesn't train to fight, he trains with weights - apples and oranges.
I agree on all counts lol. I can deadlift 580lbs, squat 515lbs, and bench 365 (going for 405 next year), but I also did amateur mma for 4 years (3 fights) in my late teens. When I train recreationally now I get so, so many people telling me “don’t rely on your strength” or “those muscles just slow you down” or giving me other bits of AdViCe that absolutely don’t apply lol. I’m not even a beginner! I love martial arts, but the toxic community is a big part of the reason I switched back to powerlifting (along with concussions lol). In lifting, while there are certainly problems with the community, there isn’t the same sort of constant dick measuring and posturing. People are (generally) a lot more chill
I love this assumption. A natural bb like Jesse has the upper hand as a newbie. Once he has some time under his belt, all the strength he accumulated beforehand has the potential to transfer over to something far more dangerous than a random guy starting at the same time. Once he learns how to utilize his power within his strikes and builds his cardio by practicing martial arts on a regular basis, he'll surpass the others who only practice martial arts. People like to talk down on bbs because they dont look like that. It comes from a place of envy so it is exciting when you watch someone who looks like that fail at something you take pride in.
I do totally definitely agree that the strength helps, but with a fair amount of bodybuilders who ONLY lift for aesthetics (I don’t really think of Jesse in that light) their athleticism is sometimes impeded by the type of lifts they do
@@senseisethreacts I see what you're saying, and for some that is true. I suppose having a background in sports as a bodybuilder is more what I was referring to. Also, not a lot of bodybuilders who lift strictly for asthetics are going to put in the time and effort towards martial arts to become incredibly effective. But theoretically, there is potential there.
@@senseisethreacts I think the amount of "pure" bodybuilders you are referring to are very much the outlier and not the rule. The real problem is that people are hopelessly uneducated about lifting and strength sports in general because they're either too niche or people dont care about them and generalize them to "bodybuilders". Its the same as calling everyone who wears a gi a "karate guy", well when the "karate guy" turns out to be a jiujitsu practitioner, you end up expecting punches and kicks while the guy brings you to the floor and strangles you like a python. Same goes for the difference between a Strongman, Powerlifter, Olympic Lifter or an ACTUAL Bodybuilder, their skillsets are different and some are MUCH more translatable to martial arts, lifting HEAVY atlas stones and doing HEAVY farmer carries (600-800lbs) is going to feel so much different in sparring than some guy who puts a lot of emphasis on the aesthetic of his physique.
I disagree. Most big bodybuilders that have come into the Muay thai or mma Gyms I’ve trained at. I know are gonna have to lose quite a bit of weight to get atleast a decent amount of cardio and the flexibility to throw any kick above waist height. And the guys who come in with a semi athletic build from playing sports just catch on SO MUCH QUICKER then the guys who come in from a strict weight lifting bb background. There hand eye from there sports background is better there foot work is league’s better because body builders lift weights from a single spot to isolate certain muscle groups. (Almost no body builder I’ve met has consistently done Olympic lifts like hang cleans that could atleast help with balance) due to being so big and muscular and working there body parts in a very isolated fashion there mobility is almost always God awful and almost most importantly due to size and weight it takes a lot more energy to move there body around which means there cardio’s bad, which I saw so many times meant they had to take alot of breaks during the classes which means they get less reps out during the class, and everyone knows practice makes perfect and due to the bad cardio they get it less reps then the rest. So no if I had to pick a student to start martial arts and see who would be the best by the end of there first year of training, I’m picking the guy who plays sports 3 times a week way before the strict bb who does that 6 times a week.
Anybody with months and years of training can fight no matter the size, people without training no matter the size cannot fight simple as that argument over.
I had a bodybuilder as a student and had a very unique thing happen I can't explain. I was teaching him leg kicks and gave him a pretty mild shot to the classic spot on the thigh . He was in instant severe pain( thought he was joking at first ) and when he pulled up his huge 90's parachute pants the muscle was fully knotted up like a baseball and 3 days later it was totally black and blue like he'd been hit with a 2 x 4 . He did admit to being mid cycle so I don't know maybe that had something to do with it? I know I have heard of BB's getting serious injuries doing seemingly low-key things so who knows.
If you dont lower your training volume you would be much proner to injury for that reason alone, say a guy has already "torn up his legs" in a workout, then getting hit on them also - recipe for disaster
I heard somewhere that really lean guys get hurt easier. Like even tattoos for them is super painful. It always made me wonder how weight dropping impacting injuries. Like I wonder if it would be safer if fighters could keep more weight on their body.
bigger muscles often means more bloodflow, and possibly more nerve exposure/sensitivity as well people often think that big legs are armour but it's really the opposite a lot of Thais you see take leg kicks are super slim (yes they are good at checking, but they can take a lot of solid kicks too)
You really have no idea how unequipped you are to fight until you start sparring. As JJW said in the video you're mind goes blank as soon as you have another person throwing something back at you.
@slayemin You can have muscle memory and still suck after being off for some time. I can't move like I used to. So of I get back in I have to train completely different
@@StandWatie1862 Partially true. It's probably like riding a bike, you don't forget 100% of everything and you'll pick it up again really fast. Old age may change your limitations and techniques, but that just means you need to retrain your muscle memory a bit to compensate for your new limitations.
When I used to box they used to make us train for every situation. One time fighting on the inside I wanted to step to my right and move out of the way to set up my punch, I got yelled at by my trainer who told me "NO! Do not dance out of the way, stay in there and fight your way out!" It caught me off guard so I stopped and got hit a few more times because I hesitated. I got a standing 8 count, not because I was hurt, but after taking a few good punches they would call a standing 8 count on us. I was annoyed but I realized how it helped me learn because you're not always going to be able to dance out of the way, you sometimes have to sit on the inside and trade shots to get yourself out. To your point about being unequipped, even those of us who were doing it for a time, even we can have moments that cause us to freeze briefly, especially when you're beginning and have never truly been hit before.
i never understand this question. No strength athlete ever said that he is a fighter. Everyone is triggered when he sees a strong guy. No one would say "a sprinter can't really fight". It is a different sport.
@@shriharihudli And if you're decent at sprinting, decent at distance running, and decent at parkour you can outrun basically anyone who is elite in just one of those things if you're in an urban environment.
@@ThePoorBoynot back in the John "bones" days. But was still the best. You really don't know what a guy can do(scrawny or fat) until they start doing it.
Wrong I know bodybuilders who do some kind of martial arts Hell Bruce Lee was a bodybuilder To generalise for her I people are not on the internet doesn't mean they're not doing something you're not where of
Lifters started it. The victim weight trend lifters have been saying, shows how lifters think they can take anyone smaller then him. Or the “I’m 260 bro” so stop being hypocritical and playing victim when hella lifters act like there strength and size makes them the baddest man on the planet
@@richfoster4369 I've personally never met a lifter who thought like this. Lifters are usually pretty humble because they learn their limits real quick in the gym.
The muscles you make are what you train for. Body builders don't train to fight, so their muscle memory and some of the smaller muscles aren't developed. Not that they can't; just look at Hafthor. When he started training for boxing it looked AWFUL, but after a couple years he was fairly competent, and he could still lift heavy. So yeah, in general body builders can't fight because they don't train for it.
I think there’s just a difference in the type of person who trains to fight and bodybuilding. Fighting takes athleticism and bodybuilding does not. Only reason I’m saying this is because boxing is one of the only martial arts where you don’t have to train for years to be competent(your example)
I wouldn’t even say that is bodybuilders can’t fight at all. I think they would do well against the average Joe that doesn’t in most cases…. Many bodybuilders believe that they don’t need to train because of their size and strength. Ask your them; they’ll they you... That’s why they’re the ones(not all) that go into MMA gyms and BJJ gyms challenge fighters. It’s not the other way around.
Body builder also make terrible hunter gatherers. If you look hunter gatherer tribe their build is simular to a long distance runner. Built for endurance strong but primarily lean with good stamina. yet there are many "cave man" posers promoting what they think is the hunter gather lifestyle.
They don’t know how to fight, because that is not what they train for.. but just give one a few months of training and you’ll see all of those who said he or she couldn’t fight avoiding him or her at sparring.. physical conditioning is an essential element in fighting and they have plenty of that, they just need to adjust it to fighting.. just body weight is a factor in fighting..
Bodybuilding and martial arts are two separate skill sets. Just cuz you’re good at one doesn’t automatically mean you’re good at both. One can help with the other but just because you’re athletic or strong.
Bodybuilders aren't athletic. When someone says athletic I expect them to have the cardio of an athlete (since we're talking about martial arts, in other sports cardio obv doesnt matter). Bodybuilders never focus on cardio and I've listened to many bodybuilders even having a laugh with cardio and some even saying "it destroys your gains" anecdotally (without them throwing evidence about it). Martial Artists can do circles around you till you get tired and make explosive punches or kicks wherever they want if you've got no cardio. Bodybuilders can't even do heavy lifting, because they dont focus on "making the heaviest lift and going to olympiad" or something. Like if we talked about "heavy lifting sport" or something. Puretly because they focus purely on aesthetics. They're not "the best" at anything other than looking nice. They aren't athletes. See people who lift the heaviest weights, see their bodies, do they look like body builders or more like bears? Point being athletes dont focus on aesthetics, they focus on their sport. Bodybuilders focus on them looking nice, which isn't a sport, it's only about looking "nice", which also depends on what is the definition of nice for each person here. Last point being, that doesn't mean body builders can't heavy lift, but they're not the world's heaviest lifters, they're not martial artists, they're not anything. They're what the word itself says .... Body ... Builders. They won't focus on anything else than your body .... being built nice. Not being built for another specific reason (other than looking good) or sport. Which ... makes body building not a sport. Sport != Your body looking nice. it can be a competition, but so is "Columbia's prettiest woman". It doesn't make it a sport. edit: Like when I was doing calisthenics, I never called calisthenics a sport. But it's a way to build your body and muscles. Certainly. But it's not a sport. And neither is bodybuilding. It's something, but not a sport.
@@exapsy True body builders do power lifting routines, all the older bodybuilders like Arnold, Columbo and so on all started as power lifters originally that's why they had that hard look, when I lifted I did both body building routines and power lifting, had physique of Steve Reeves but could bench 550 and squat 650, don't ever think body builders can't lift the heavy weights.
@@exapsy a well rounded body builder actually is an athlete. To say body building isn’t a sport or body builders only focus on looking nice or can’t lift heavy is a stereotype and they are far more nuanced than you’re giving them credit for.
Bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman and Olympic lifting are all different sports. If the way to be a great football player was just to be strong coaches would have their athletes just powerlift and don't bother with practicing actual football. If it was all about explosive power they would just have their athletes perform Oly lifts and nothing else. If it was just speed then they would just train them like sprinters. Wait....if that was the case we wouldn't need to even play football. We could just settle it with a meet for one of these.
@@exapsyyup, bodybuilding is literally just a competition for narcissists. It's not a sport & it serves no actual practical function for day to day life other than cosmetic appearance. Add in the use of roids that so many of these guys use & abuse makes it also extremely unhealthy for both the body & mind. People that use roids have a cheaters mindset. Jokes on them though as they end up looking ridiculous & cheating their health & life span to feed their narcissism.
I was actually talking about this the other day in regard to women's self defense. I feel safer at any of my gyms than most other places, because at the BJJ and Boxing gyms I'm surrounded by guys that can fight better than I can and at my weight lifting gym I'm surrounded by guys that might not know how to fight but nobody is looking to find out if they can when their delts are the size of my head.
That is funny. I feel safer in fighting gyms than anywhere else. Because they are probably the last place someone would want to start a fight. And everyone else would pull them off if they did. People go there to train safely, anyone with a bad attitude would get kicked out. Well unless you go to some weird underground boxing gym run by a gang or something. But in all the places I have been to there is a sense of everyone wanting to help each other and a brotherly attitude. There is no ego there. Where as in a body building gym you get all types of people, some with big egos and maybe you could fight one bigger guy, but not a group of them.
Bruh.. I feel safe in every friendly environment, like the gym, boxing gyms too (safer here tho because fighters wouldn’t attack you for no reason, and they are in more self control)
@@lilmanq7746 I have only had a dozen or so MMA classes, mostly grappling sparring. But I already feel much safer everywhere. And more aware, calm and confident. Training seems to have gotten rid of a lot of anxiety for me.
Powerlifting is my main sport (1450lb total at 200lbs) and the translation to martial arts are pretty marginal beyond a certain point. The strength is handy, but you only need so much. Deadlifting 600lbs isn’t really that useful, especially in striking haha
As a powerlifter who's interested in martial arts and has rolled a bit with some BJJ guys, I find that my squat and deadlift's main translation is how explosively I can bridge to get guys off of me and escape mount.
@@MrRunescapenator you have not rolled with people who are good in mount then it doesnt matter if you deadlift 500 or 5000 pounds it doesnt make a difference in escaping mount the people who mounted you either didnt try hard to stay on mount and was nice with you ( as training mostly is) or theyr mentality was broken
@@MrRunescapenator see it like this, bullriding, or riding a horse, no matter how much you deadlift you wont be stronger than a bull or a horse its all technique i know you wouldnt get out of my mount if i dont want you too
@@backbone93 this -- this is why we can't have nice things... stronger is better than weaker... and in fighting heavier is better than lighter... it does make a difference in escaping mount and more importantly in preventing getting mounted... ask the BJJ guys to start from standing instead of from the ground to start to highlight the differences.
@@Pawn007can you are the reason why we cant have nice things cuz you cant differenciate between opinion and reality anymore Reality hurts your feelings cuz you live in opinion wonderland
I've been training kickboxing and muay thai semi-professionally for over 10 years and after I retired I started lifting weights for the hell of it and beefed up quite a bit. Not gonna lie, it's true that most bodybuilders can't fight and there were some instances where some "tough guys" assumed I can't too, the confusion in their eyes when the first strike in a fight I throw is a hard low kick and they instantly can barely walk is priceless 😂😂
The replies have never been kicked in the leg by anyone of skill and it shows lmao. You guys watch too many movies if you genuinely think you’re walking off a roundhouse to the leg without any conditioning.
I dunno... I think a bodybuilder can still outfight the average man (because the average man doesnt even practice fighting) But if someone has enough speed and technique they can effectively shut the body builder down. But even a good fighter would have trouble fighting a moving barrel of water if it weighed 300 lbs and had arms and legs.
@@eladrio2311yeah, but they're bothnon the same skill level as fighters, so it's an apt comparison. What doesn't makes sense is taking an athlete from a particular field and then mocking him because you can outperform him in your field, which he has no experience in.
@@leonardomarquesbellini It's like mocking a fighter because he would do absolutely horrible in a strong man competition. And at the end of the day no matter how good a fighter you are, is the man with the gun who wins
Some guys just don't go down. They're meatheads. You break their jaws, break their nose, kick them in the ribs...and they keep coming. Ali fought Norton for several rounds with a broken jaw. Best not to fight at all...even if you know how.
Ice baths reduce inflammation which is good for fighters who have to train daily but for bodybuilding it’s bad as inflammation is needed for muscle growth.
They also increase your base dopamine level, improve your body's ability to regulate its own temp, help with metabolism, and if I'm not mistaken heart rate variability might also improve with them. Huberman has done HOURS on the benefits of ice baths, enough so that I can't remember them all.
@@ReDuVernay True, lots of people would benefit and you didn’t even mention the mental issue people have with volunteering for suffering, ice baths are horrible until you get used to it, chandler said he was scared of it and now he does it everyday, he’s already a tough human but that’s gotta have some kind of impact.
That is totally innacurate! Where did you get that from? Inflammation due to exercise occurs primarily in joints, not in muscles. Cold baths can benefit any athtlete.
Bodybuilders can fight a lot better than the average person. Being bigger and stronger and heavier is enough to win vs most people. Obviously they can't fight a professional because they don't train for that sport.
jus becuase you’re bigger and stronger does not mean you can fight slightly better than your average person so the fact you say a lot better is complete bs as your average person can throw a random haymaker and knock out the body builder who’s never been hit ever his whole life
I have lifted for about 12 years and train martial arts for fun too. If you don't train to fight you won't know how to fight. But having strength is such an advantage especially for grappling. I was stiff arming, taking down and throwing my 250+lb training partner the first few months I started grappling. People kept asking me if I had ever wrestled before. Nope.
I had a similar experience in BJJ lol. I played football in highschool, which is mostly weightlifting and a few years out of highschool I tried BJJ and my trainer was like "you football guys always just muscle out of everything."
@senseisethreacts Umm...you're telling your viewers to NOT be afraid of fighting a bodybuilder...forgetting that a POWERFUL arm does NOT have to twist, or have the elbow raised, or even put some hip into it to do damage. A POWERFUL arm can knock you out EVEN if the form is inefficient. And when you WAKE UP, you can tell everybody he did it wrong.
The bodybuilder guy is actually pretty athletic! I was expecting one of those super bulky guys that looks like he's walking through quicksand! Plus he didn't try the old...'hit him as hard as you can' when they sparred... good to watch !
@@danieljackson1468idk i think theres a much higher percentage of people who train fighting now, especially jiu jitsu and stuff due to ufc. bodybuilders are just too slow , have no balance or fight iq
a big guy vs a small guy, both untrained in martial arts i bet on the big guy, but usually if one has a good amount of martial arts conditioning and skill, not pro, i bet on that guy
It's an ugly eye sore, not complimentary as it's not like the entire room is Japanese themed. He doesn't have good taste in art, it's just a background for his videos.
Yes, bodybuilders can't fight just because they're buff. This may give some advantages if the fighters are on the ground, but if a bodybuilder misses even one blow from a professional fighter (who will hit the target easily enough), then this is immediately a knockout. Another thing, I notice a strange trend in this matter. And what makes you think that most gym bros go to the gym to learn how to fight? Or that they even need it? I'm an amateur bodybuilder and I work hard not to be able to fight. Moreover, I despise physical violence and I do not care what professional fighters think of me in this regard. If I wanted to be able to fight, I would go to some section of jiu-jitsu or kick boxing. It feels like fighters for some reason think that their sport is the only true sport. That a man must be able to fight, otherwise he is not a man. And they believe that for some reason they really need to prove to everyone that they are better than those who simply work for the sake of health, strength and aesthetics. In general, all this is a stupid discourse, as for me.
Yeah, I think this is just toxic masculinity. It stems from a core belief of "I define my masculinity by shutting down weaker men", which is really just a bully mindset and a mindset of someone who needs the approval of others to feel validated about themselves. Your sense of self security should come from within.
@@slayemin Nah, your sense of security should be based in reality, not delusion. Just tricking yourself into feeling secure is nonsensical. Actually understand why the other outcome makes people secure, it's because as a man, if crap goes down, you are expected to handle it. The better you are at handling it, the more secure not just you are, but the people around you are in reality are. No such thing as toxic masculinity, just toxic people and misandrists who think it's based in masculinity. So you better know how to fight or at least own a firearm to make up for the fact you can't. Better yet do both. Men should be at least capable of defending themselves because there are times where it will likely be necessary. That's just life. Don't need a sport for that but preparation is key.
@@theworstcatholic7247 I agree with what you say, but I think you may be misunderstanding what I was trying to get at. I'm condemning the people who go get guns or train to fight so that they can pick fights with other people because it makes them feel more manly or macho. You see that more often with younger adult men who haven't matured enough. On my end, I spent six years in the marines, have an AR-15 and know how to use it very proficiently, and I do kickboxing three times a week. I can handle myself well enough, but I just hope I don't ever need to. I think that differs from the toxic mentality of "I'm going to learn how to fight so I can go pick fights with other guys and kick their asses." I've seen this in the marines, where some new guy fresh out of boot camp thinks he's billy badass now because he went through basic training, goes and picks a fight with a bigger marine, and gets his teeth punched in (it was kinda funny because he learned a very valuable lesson really quickly as he got put in his place and corrected by physics).
True, but the real reason bodybuilders can't fight is simply because they're not trained in that way. A bodybuilder that has trained fundamentals in striking and grappling may still not have the gas tank as pro fighters, but now has the power that comes with their muscle size. There's enough examples of heavy hitters in combat sports that don't have the stamina to go at a high pace every round.
My experience is that training to fight makes people more peaceful. You simply know that you can (and will lose) fights, so me personally, I avoid physical confrontations in real life even more than before training martial arts. Even without guns and knifes thrown into the mix. If you want to fight me, come to my gym. :)
If somebody starts talking about how you cannot fight because of your great physique, it means you already got under their skin simply by existing and that may not make you a winner but it makes the other person a loser. Also if I see a black guy who looks exactly like Tyson Bolt from the neck down I'm not going to guess that he cannot run at all just because he does not work on his running technique at all.
I never met or heard a bodybuilder ever claim they can fight, even if they did I'm sure they are not referring to trained martial artists. A lot of insecure dudes are coming out and riding the wave Andrew Tate started. There are plenty of videos on TH-cam of trained amateur, and pro fighters getting KO in a street fight by average Joes, it really depends on the individual and what they are capable of.
For me whenever I see videos like this, it’s the same as saying “guitar players can’t play piano”, like yes it’s true, but that’s because they really haven’t learned or been taught that skill, and sure being bulky as hell isn’t gonna help you with striking speed, I don’t think a little muscle is gonna hinder performance if you’re smart with it. I also think it would help prevent a ton of injuries if martial artists did a little strength training
Martial artists already do strength training… it’s just strength and conditioning focused on the aspects of explosive power and athleticism. While bodybuilding is focused mainly on aesthetics, no different from the strength training a football player would have vs bodybuilding. Athletes don’t train for aesthetics
Body building and martial art go hand in hand. Its a myth that bodybuilding makes you stiff and limits mobility. Look at Jai white or even Van Dam. All top level MMA fighters train body building also. Some body builder routines are so fluid you would think they were full water.
@senseisethreacts they're only different in the sense of their ultimate goals, but they're essentially the same thing -- resistance training, which ends up building muscle. I've been doing some form of strength training since I was a teen, and my goals (looks or strength) have fluctuated a lot, and so have my training modalities, but the result is the same: I'm stronger than average, and more muscular than average. Tomato, tomato. And the two examples cited - Van Damme and Jai White are definitely bodybuilders rather than weightlifters -- their focus was on building an impressive physique that looks good on camera. Yet, do you think they are weak?
@@senseisethreacts i am not mistaking anything. my training consists of bodybuilding routines, even posing. It compliments my wrestling. It is the most effective art form to control bodymass/density. Also posing techniques are (in my opinion) fundamental in learning how to master defensive muscle contractions. Some poses like the abdominal vacuum (nali krya yoga) help breathing in between rounds, but also add last minute stability to body throws or suplex. In fact i think you could create a lot of new content; if you were to explore the cross roads of the two physical arts.
@@lebatcritique yes, well said. I did not even mention that half of the Tao of Jeet Kun Do, by By Bruce Lee are all body building tutorials. There is even another book by Bruce dedicated to body building specifically. "Bruce Lee The Art of Expressing the Human Body"
Of course, bodybuilders can't fight. They're bodybuilders. Unless they're bodybuilders that also train in martial arts. A lot of bodybuilders have low stamina anyway.
I am an ex amateur boxing regional champion and I am now doing natural bodybuilding, pretty sure I can fight lol. Also look up Franco Columbu boxing he was an ex golden gloves champion and then won mr olympia, there is an old video of him skipping and hitting the bag and even though no old sparring footage that I know of, he looked good.
@@haydenmammen6079 you showed everyone how insecure you are and gave us all a clue that you probably cant deadlift your own bodyweight. he wasn't even showing off just stating his opinion through his life experience.
Saying bodybuilders can’t fight and then comparing them to fighters (especially professionals) is silly … if they are untrained in fighting you should be comparing them to untrained people in fighting.
@@SenseiSethin my opinion this framing perpetuates that rather toxic myth in martial arts / fighting communities that Strength is a detriment in fighting. That strength and conditioning is really just cardio and strength training is a negative for fighting performance. This is obviously untrue… but it’s a pervasive myth. A bodybuilder or anyone who trains pretty much anything will have an advantage in fighting over people who don’t train. Additionally, a bodybuilder will likely be better prepared than someone fresh out of the mcdojo.
@@SenseiSeth First of all, i have never heard a bodybuilder say this. And even if some do, it is reffering to normal people who don't train, which a bodybuilder would beat in a fight. No one is saying a bodybuilder would beat a fighter, because if that was the case, every top fighter would just train in bodybuilding, and would barely even know how to punch. Of course someone who dedicates their entire life to a sport, will be better than one who doesn't. Everyone, including bodybuilders, knows this. This entire "Bodybuilders can't fight" thing is just something insecure men tell them selves so they can feel better. They look at bodybuilders and think " Man, this guy looks so much better than me and is so much stronger than me, i have to say something so i fell better about myself". and so the stupid "All that muscle doesn't mean you can fight", or my favourite "That muscle doesn't mean you are bulletproof" get started. Literally no bodybuilders think, or say they can fight. That is just something weak people say to make them feel bad. My favourite thing is that people who say this can't even fight themselves. They are the "street fighter guys" who haven't trained a day in their lives, and have no clue how to fight.
There's a bodybuilder named Roelly Winklaar. He KO'd 2 dudes beating up his brother, but a 3rd guy stabbed him (it only cut the skin). He was probably lighter back then, compared to today.
Just because you look the part doesn't mean you are fit to fight. The quality of muscles and overall strength you get from just body building vs Boxing/MMA are insanely different.
Being strong will help for sure. I did a pro mma match against a less skilled former professional body builder. I won but it wasn’t easy. He made me work for the takedowns. He new mma stuff but it was very much wrestling vs steroids and it wasn’t an easy win. He didn’t hit as hard as it looked like he would, wasn’t as explosive as he looked, and he did get real tired
Fighting requires skill and technique, not muscles, it’s obviously that simple, working out in itself will not get you a skill set, most muscular people are very uncoordinated
Finally someone speaking the truth. Yes there's steroids on the mix martial art but as a kid there was a BIG difference between early 00's MMA fighters and early 00's WWE wrestlers. U had guys like Batista,Chris Masters,Chris Benoit. JUICED to the gills boderline bodybuilders. But u looked at mma and the biggest u would see is Victor Belfort which is big but compared with WWE isn't Big BIG. Hell even WWE guys weren't FULL bodybuilders because they need cardio for the job they do and when u are super HUUUGE you're cardio isn't all that. I just look at most body builders talking and they need to heavy breathe just to talk for very long.
Here is a list of fighters that are jack as body builders, some did bodybuilding. Some don't, but had good muscle mass,low fat ratio. Alain Ngalani Yoshihiro "Sexyama" Akiyama Ken Shamrock Paulo Costa (former power lifter) Keven Randleman Sage Northcutt Alistair Overeem (2011) If there is one thing i learn watching MMA over the years, is that body types don't matter, fat, skinny, medium, muscle,tall or short. As long as you know how to use that difference as a advantage.
I 100% agree about the light sparring, better for longevity and also gets you think things through while "fighting" instead of reverting to habits or no thought from intensity. Also, what do you have that makes so much noise with the fans?
There's different levels to fighting. Against a champion of fighting it would be no contest, against 95% of humanity which just live their lives it's a completely different story. Brute strength can get you through the most ridiculous of situations, and not just with fighting!
You say bodybuilders cant fight and you might be right but can you do what they can? Lets go Seth i wanna see you go for the bodybuilding challenge and turn from the chubby surprise into Hercules himself.
@@SenseiSeth Im just kidding. Thought if i say you cant do it you might actually shape your giant body into perfection just to proof a point which i think would be hilarious and i mean bodybuilding is still missing on your list of random things to try.
I think it's a big mistake to tell people that consider themselves 'trained fighters' to just not be afraid of bodybuilders. If you're a smaller guy, under no circumstance should you fuck with a 200+lb guy that lifts weights and is generally fit. The strength and weight advantage is worth a LOT. Brock Lesnar, for example, despite knowing how to fight at a high level, wouldn't dream of fucking with a Gorilla. Don't let your ego go crazy and assume your training will make up for a size mismatch!
Icebath: I definitely feel an amp up in my nervous system (I can even clench my muscles harder) and also my skin feels super healthy after icebath. Whereas after a hot bath i can feel the oil leached out of my skin and feels a bit unhealthy, but the sweating is good for you.
Bodybuilders also can't usually work jobs where you do physical work. My 6 foot but only 160 lbs, wiry ass, can typically out work 250+ lbs bodybuilders. Sure they can lift 300 lbs easier than i can, but they blow out in 20 minutes when we still have 11.5 hours more of hard labour. Cardio is blasphemous to them or something
@@wisewigga7129 i wouldn't be so sure. they're usually pretty well conditioned given the medley events they have to do and the high rep events they have to do, and having to carry things, do farmers walks, etc. they especially tend to be much better conditioned than bodybuilders
To be perfectly honest, you probably KNEW you were ringing the dinner bell for practically anyone who works out hard in the gym when you posted this, so, not gonna feel regret saying what needs to be said. First off, so what? No one is BORN with fighting skills hardwired in their heads, bodybuilder OR couch potato. So at first glance, it's difficult to argue with the title as such. But... Secondly, you need to define your terms. Fighting is a social function where one side works to overcome not only the opposition's physical state but also their will, all too often entailing intentional pain and injury inflicted. Now UNLESS someone is a police officer, bouncer, sports competitor, bodyguard, bounty hunter, etc, if you engage in what's properly termed fighting, in every jurisdiction in the civilized world you're engaging in what amounts to CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. Prepare to "defend your honor" in prison, slapnuts. Truth hurts. Self-defense is something entirely different, namely evading or otherwise mitigating the initial onslaught of aggression and safely escaping at the first opportunity; the second you COULD gave escaped and choose for whatever reason NOT to, you're no longer defending yourself in the eyes of the law but rather fighting. Re-read this paragraph. Third, though you seemed to briefly tough on how your friend in the right could talk his way out of things, etc, it seems you glossed over & minimized that point. If your buttons are so easily pushed as to allow someone to draw you AWAY from a position of peace and INTO one of conflict, I would see you as too immature to be taught such dangerous skills in the first place. After years of training in the more widely known & respected systems and military combatives (retired after 22 years as a Navy Master at Arms), what I've gotten from years of aikido now is the ability to let goading and provocations run off my back. Fourth and most pertinent, is that while bodybuilding doesn't teach or reinforce fighting-specific skills, it DOES impart several benefits which NO degree of martial arts training will give you (and I'll preface the following by specifying I mean NATURAL bodybuilding consistent with the icons of pre-steroid/PED days like Steeve Reeves, John Grimek and George Eifferman). There's the fact that right or wrong, the same people who'll start something physical with you out in the streets are going to be given pause by someone who "looks dangerous", and look for a "safe" target. As I see it, you (whoever the aggressor is) MISS 100% of the attacks I'm not there to receive. Also progressive resistance training over time not only strengthens the muscles but also thickens and toughens connective tissue, making someone more resistant to injury from violence or any sort of mishap. And as a result of getting stronger, any degree or training or experience is enhanced because fine motor skills fall off precipitously when it's "game on" and the adrenaline dump hits where your strength, as an attribute rather than a skill, stays and is still usable. In the end, no real reason to give up bodybuilding at the expense of one's martial arts training. I still do & love them both, and always will.
Can a bodybuilder fight? It depends on a ton of shit. What do we mean by bodybuilder? Are we talking about a guy who is clearly muscular, but not to the degree it restricts movement? Are we talking about a super-heavyweight who can barely wipe his own ass and is on so many drugs he's barely clinging to life? What sort of fight context? Against an experienced fighter? Or against a random untrained person with hardly any size or strength? How tall is he? Is he a 200 pound 5'5" muscle-dwarf or a 350 pound 6'4" beef-golem? - also, doe the guy have the natural aggression factor? That intangible hard factor between the ears. You know the guy. The guy who hasn't ever done any competitive fighting, but his first time training he demonstrates that scary natural toughness and violence. If it's that guy, but now he's bigger and stronger, he's dangerous. He might have no endurance, but if there's a big enough size difference and the guy has explosive strength then he might not need more than 30 seconds. Obviously he's not going to beat up a real competitive fighter, but against the average drunk dumbass he might as well be a kaiju. That's why these guys get hired as bouncers.
as a strongman i have actually had fighting succes, its about getting that arm moving and letting the momentum and an open palm do the rest. Trying to muscle a strike just doesnt work well, us hulks are stiff and slow so timing and weight must be our weapons. Not that it would work on a UFC fighter tho, speed is probably coming out on top in any fight.
Bodybuilders who JUST bodybuild......probably arent great fighters! ...(however they can throttle the life out of most untrained people with their bare hands pretty good!.....fighting isnt always squaring off in boxers stances trading jabs, crosses and doing footwork)....... But people who have bodybuilder physiques and know how to fight such as a pro-wrestler.....ask anybody whose been in a street fight with a pro wrestler! .....I know someone who can tell you about the horrors of that experience!......ask anyone whose seen a wrestler clean house in a bar and leave a trail of carnage and unconscious bodies, tell them that those guys can't fight!.....now granted i'm sure most of the people in these stories were untrained oafs and how these wrestlers would fair in a street fight against a trained mma person I cant say!.......all I'm saying is there are men who lift who CAN fight!
I watch JJ dubs all the time...and you all the time...would love to see a colab...especially coming off of his wins in bodybuilding...both of you guys have a niceness...that would work together. Much love...keep it going..
I’m 2 minutes in and really enjoy the non seriousness of Michael chandler. The we ain’t pretending nothing made me like him…. Then the blue chip stuff was a bonus. Even tho idk what that means and didn’t think it was particularly funny it was nice to see a goofy side of him. (I might have a crush on a boy) [what the frick is wrong with me] {look at his muscles oh my} STOP IT!
@@bleeem Bodybuilding training doesn't complement fighting as much as you would think, unless you are bulking because a bit of weight is always useful but if you were to do both you would be overtrained and not very flexible or mobile
I've seen many street fights, with guys who were juiced to the gills and guys way smaller than them would end up knocking them out. The problem is a lot of these big guys think because they have muscles that they can fight, and that is definitely not true. Just take a look at that Bradley Martin guy, who always says I'm 260 lb I could beat you when a street fight, and this is to professional fighters. But then you watch video of him sparring with this little skinny guy, and he has no idea how to throw a punch and he's trying to knock this kid out, and his technique is a joke. And then there's a video of him grappling with a guy his size, and he gets tossed around like a little girl. That's what these big guys don't realize there's a lot of skinny guys out there who can fight and know how to fight. And if you are big and muscular and you train and you can fight, if the fight doesn't end real quick all that muscle is going to make you gas out. When I was growing up we always called those guys with muscles all show and no go. Bodybuilding is really like a beauty contest, those guys get on stage and judges pick who they think looks the best. There's nothing wrong with keeping yourself in shape and if you want to be a bodybuilder you have that right to do whatever you want in life. I'm not putting bodybuilders down, I'm just saying that it's not good for fighting.
As a person who never missed a day in the gym before doing Jiu Jitsu and Wrestling, yes. Budybuilders cannot fight. But once you learn how to fight, you outpace everyone around you.
People say that but it doesn't really mean much. People who never trained any fighting usually can't fight. That's most bodybuilders. Heck if we are going with "fight" then a lot of people who have or are training something don't know how to fight but that's another story 😅
I feel like the only bodybuilders that ever think they can fight are the ones that can actually fight or the ones suffering from side effects of their choice lifestyle lol. Like most of the time the only people I see talking about how muscles don’t matter in a fight are fighters. They aren’t wrong but also it always seems so off the cuff. This isn’t a dig at this channel just what I tend to notice with some fighters
I have a very bad cold right now so naturally I can't go train and I'm really bummed, but this is making me feel a bit better. I'm still a newbie (been training for 2 months now) so I could relate so much to JJW. Of course I'm not even remotely as athletic as he is (I'm a skinny woman), but I laughed so hard at the "spinning back fist" because I definitely did that in my first sparring session lol.
Bodybuilders rarely need to fight. Their size normally cows people. I think triathletes vs mma fighters is a better measure of effectiveness of a martial art.
I train MMA (Karate, Judo, Boxing) and wanted to get into body building but as I got bigger I noticed i got slower so I was still the same power but not as fast and not as mobile so I toned back a little
dude, you should get one of those drawing things so you can mark up fight footage with arrows and stuff like they do on ESPN. also, those dudes should totally do a video with you!
I blame 80s movies for a lot of this; they cast bodybuilders as special operations soldiers and athletes and the general public doesn't know enough* to see how unrealistic that is
Seth please dont sell yourself short you are an absolute beast!!! Also I've sparred with a few martial artists in my time and even a massive chunk of them can't really fight.
There os a big dofferenxe between doing Something and knowing something. Especially with martial arts likr kickboxing and MMA, technique needs to be tight because all you are doing is throwing hands and feet, so if you are not better than everyone in doing that you wont fair much better, at least with some grappling techniques you can end the fight in seconds.
You haven't fought a black belt in any martial art, so don't brag that you've fought martial artists. Anyone can beat a white belt beginner, it doesn't mean you beat a martial artist. Big difference. Especially if it's a street fight & not in the ring. Put on gloves with a decent boxer in the ring & be humbled quickly.
@@CarnageJesterX A LOT of martial arts schools do not stress test their students even the higher ranks. Even a sleight strength difference and closing of distance I made a few embarrassed.
@@CarnageJesterX why are you making up arguments in your head so you can win when did he say he fought white belts then you said put on gloves with a decent boxer and get humbled of course if your not training for boxing you would lose. Yall really are stupid lmao
@@CarnageJesterX Put a decent boxer in an MMA competition and they're likely to get humbled right quick, if they don't have any other training. Boxing has some excellent benefits, but it has some huge lacks too. Any person can usually be quickly humbled by a gun or a mob though.
There have been new studies on ice baths, stating that immediately doing one after a work out can halt initial recovery and blood flow although doing so after a bit of a cool off is fine say towards about an hour if I recall, could be wrong
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A lot of y’all are clearly commenting before watching the video lol
What do you expect with a clickbaity title? It’s supposed to create a reaction- and it makes a blanket statement. It’s very open to immediate opposing views
Comments drive engagement, good for vid. If you would prefer more thoughtful discussion in the comments, consider changing the title to something more informative/slightly less clickbaity.
What about a video with Ranton? I don't think I've seen you do one with him yet. I know he's in Germany that makes it tough I guess.
His background is lacrosse
Exactly. And I'll continue to do so.
There is only one bodybuilder that can truly fight and that man is the invincible Houston Jones
Houston Jones with his wrestling combined with his pain tolerance could definitely be a gatekeeper in the UFC. I'd love to see Sensei Seth do a collab with Houston.
@@MrRunescapenator th-cam.com/video/G2Qkt5UP7wI/w-d-xo.html
I was actually surprised at how well he did with wonderboy.
I have!
@@senseisethreacts I've seen it. I want more. Thanks for the reply sensei seth
All people "almost always can't fight". Most people aren't martial artist, so if most can't fight, at least be stronger and bigger than your opponent. This has worked for a great deal of humanity
Also, there's this technology that makes it so no matter how many leg kicks you've thrown, you still lose if you start more than 10ft away.
@@Methbillywho are you? Donatello from teenage mutant ninja turtles or what😂
@@Methbillywhat if someone with 10 years of mma experience also uses that wooden spear.. now your in a bigger disadvantage
@@cortezzzz5383That mma dude probably doesn't know how to use a spear though? So it's probably 60-40 in favor of the mma dude
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I find that body builders who have trained to fight can actually fight. But body builders that haven't trained to fight , can't seem to fight.
I also noticed that truck drivers that learnt to fight can actually fight. And truck drivers that haven't learnt to fight can't seem to fight.
Cringe
@@bigbywolf5197kick rocks kid
Lifters started it. The victim weight trend lifters have been saying, shows how lifters think they can take anyone smaller then him. Or the “I’m 260 bro” so stop being hypocritical and playing victim when hella lifters act like there strength and size makes them the baddest man on the planet
@@richfoster4369 lmao keep coping manlet
@@idiramara1 6,3 makes you a Manlet? Swing and a miss kid 😂
Heavy muscle definitely has a power edge, but the heart has to work double hard to keep all of it oxygenated during extensive physical stress.
And the lungs, too, which I guess is just saying the same thing twice. Square cube law is just a bitch, you're always gonna see the more efficient, stronger pound for pound fighters at the lighter weights.
I'm a small guy at 5'7" 135 lbs with a huge back and serratus for my size like Bruce Lee and I literally do not get tired. At my boxing gym, after a full conditioning workout with most students collapsed on the floor halfway in, I'm one of only 3 or 4 still at 100%
So after all that my coach puts Menon the treadmill with the young guys (I'm 43) and told you can't stop until the slowest person gets a certain NJ number of miles
Without a lot of mass my heart can go for hours but my personal trainer can exhaust me in ten minutes 😂
Strength yes... power no. Bodybuilders don't have the snap in their shots. When they hit you it's more of a push with a fist... but ya you're right, they get gassed Fast!
@@TheMatrixofMeaningsmall at 5’7”? You’re funny from up there.
@@TheMatrixofMeaningwell in a fight it’s not always about endurance. A 270 pound guy wouldn’t need much of endurance bc he wouldn’t need to work as hard as you and he probably could finish you in a relatively short power exertion. So both is true at the same time, you have to compare weights and fighters
Nobody can really fight unless they train to fight. If a body builder trains to fight, he will be able to fight.
Being a bodybuilder does not disqualify you from ever being able to fight.
Nobody said they can’t learn to fight.
We are highlighting the myth “big volume muscle punch hard”.
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It is a hip and leg movement, not triceps or biceps.
When you snap back the punch it is similar to jump rope movement.
I generally do around 6 min jump rope for warmup, I am about to start advanced mma in spring.
thats why he said "do bodybuilding and only bodybuilding" u meat head
There are some mechanical issues with bodybuilders because of the way they train. They have extremely high muscle mass, which means their engine is inefficient and will run out of gas faster even if they have a big gas tank (which is not guaranteed at all). They also lack range of movement, flexibility, and speed. There are some fighters who juice and look similar to bodybuilders but most are much leaner and more flexible.
Fighters optimize for efficiency, bodybuilders optimize for appearance.
@@IordanIovkov Wrong. Yes, some body builders, just like some non-body builders, have low endurance and lack range of motion. But there are also plenty of body builders who can also run marathons and are extremely flexible and fast.
Just look at guys like Jujimufu and Bradley Martin. You want to sit there and tell me those guys aren't explosive and powerful?
You are going by old stereotypes that were never really true to begin with.
And there is no evidence at all the big muscles equates to an "inefficient engine". That's just nonsense. You ever done a set of 15 weighted squats? That is aerobic as fuck.
@@KurNorock You've clearly never done any martial arts before. Big overdeveloped muscles are a hindrance in your cardio and your ability to strike technically and efficiently. Even the jacked wrestlers in the UFC aren't built like a bodybuilder for a reason. The bodybuilders you talk about are the exception not the rule.
I've been weightlifting for about 4 years, went from 140 to 230, focusing on barbell movements over aesthetics, so relatively experienced. I've been training Muay Thai for about 3 months, so absolute beginner. I have a few takeaways:
1 - Smaller people are faster, I always knew this from watching but now I know from sparring. I get lit up. Cardio especially, I'm gassed in the warm-up while these dudes are running circles around me for fun.
2 - I'm stronger than most people in my gym, fighters talk like this is a weakness, but it's just not. If I have to defend myself against a random person, and I have 50 lbs on them, this is an advantage. If cardio and skill levels are similar, A fight comes down to strength. Fighters cope so hard with this.
3 - Fighters are obsessed with the fact that they are better at fighting than people who don't fight. It's mind-blowing how many people have told me I'm strong but can't fight in my first few lessons, even trainers. I've never come across a subculture that compares themselves to beginners so much. It's cringe. Imagine a rock climber telling all beginners how he's better all the time. It is insane. You have been practicing a skill for years, and comparing yourself to newbies, that says a lot about you. My social media algorithms all have this narrative. Guys at my gym say I'm generalizing if I bring this up.
I'm going for a 405lb squat soon, I compare myself to people who can squat 405, not 45. I want to improve, not tell others I have improved.
I love this comment. I had this not too pleasant experience at the gym a few weeks ago with this older dude. The guy is incredibly insecure, especially being around me, who clearly lifts. I started going to a new gym about 2 months ago. This dude has made conversation with me a couple times and I realised he was an asshole then. He bragged about how big and strong he "used" to be, but he only lifts for endurance because heavy lifting gave him injuries. He bragged about having a young hot girlfriend at his age. He then tried to lecture me on how I spend far too long at the gym, that he has had to do chest day on a different day because I take too long on equipment (I am always fine with working in with strangers lol). That I am not building strength at all (you don't even know me). My size will gas me out in a fight, and I need to do more cardio. He also said that running is shit cardio - skipping is the best.
But yeah, there are a lot of insecure fighters that will see a big muscular guy and mock him because he most likely can't fight, but he doesn't train to fight, he trains with weights - apples and oranges.
Blud if ur not benching at least 350lbs plus ur not a very strong dude. Also it’s about lean body mass. Lean 220 is very different to fat 220
@@Ronaldiddy12 what nonsense is this
I agree on all counts lol. I can deadlift 580lbs, squat 515lbs, and bench 365 (going for 405 next year), but I also did amateur mma for 4 years (3 fights) in my late teens.
When I train recreationally now I get so, so many people telling me “don’t rely on your strength” or “those muscles just slow you down” or giving me other bits of AdViCe that absolutely don’t apply lol. I’m not even a beginner!
I love martial arts, but the toxic community is a big part of the reason I switched back to powerlifting (along with concussions lol). In lifting, while there are certainly problems with the community, there isn’t the same sort of constant dick measuring and posturing. People are (generally) a lot more chill
Bud just wait until you get skilled at clinching and then all the sudden it’s “you’re too strong and you’re in a higher weight class”
I am incredibly drunk right now. It is actually unreal. I hope I wake up tomorrow
how r u doing
@@mikebiff u think he dead?
@@eladrio2311 damn near
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Are you still drunk?
I love this assumption. A natural bb like Jesse has the upper hand as a newbie. Once he has some time under his belt, all the strength he accumulated beforehand has the potential to transfer over to something far more dangerous than a random guy starting at the same time. Once he learns how to utilize his power within his strikes and builds his cardio by practicing martial arts on a regular basis, he'll surpass the others who only practice martial arts. People like to talk down on bbs because they dont look like that. It comes from a place of envy so it is exciting when you watch someone who looks like that fail at something you take pride in.
I do totally definitely agree that the strength helps, but with a fair amount of bodybuilders who ONLY lift for aesthetics (I don’t really think of Jesse in that light) their athleticism is sometimes impeded by the type of lifts they do
@@senseisethreacts I see what you're saying, and for some that is true. I suppose having a background in sports as a bodybuilder is more what I was referring to. Also, not a lot of bodybuilders who lift strictly for asthetics are going to put in the time and effort towards martial arts to become incredibly effective. But theoretically, there is potential there.
@@senseisethreacts I think the amount of "pure" bodybuilders you are referring to are very much the outlier and not the rule. The real problem is that people are hopelessly uneducated about lifting and strength sports in general because they're either too niche or people dont care about them and generalize them to "bodybuilders". Its the same as calling everyone who wears a gi a "karate guy", well when the "karate guy" turns out to be a jiujitsu practitioner, you end up expecting punches and kicks while the guy brings you to the floor and strangles you like a python. Same goes for the difference between a Strongman, Powerlifter, Olympic Lifter or an ACTUAL Bodybuilder, their skillsets are different and some are MUCH more translatable to martial arts, lifting HEAVY atlas stones and doing HEAVY farmer carries (600-800lbs) is going to feel so much different in sparring than some guy who puts a lot of emphasis on the aesthetic of his physique.
I disagree. Most big bodybuilders that have come into the Muay thai or mma Gyms I’ve trained at. I know are gonna have to lose quite a bit of weight to get atleast a decent amount of cardio and the flexibility to throw any kick above waist height. And the guys who come in with a semi athletic build from playing sports just catch on SO MUCH QUICKER then the guys who come in from a strict weight lifting bb background. There hand eye from there sports background is better there foot work is league’s better because body builders lift weights from a single spot to isolate certain muscle groups. (Almost no body builder I’ve met has consistently done Olympic lifts like hang cleans that could atleast help with balance) due to being so big and muscular and working there body parts in a very isolated fashion there mobility is almost always God awful and almost most importantly due to size and weight it takes a lot more energy to move there body around which means there cardio’s bad, which I saw so many times meant they had to take alot of breaks during the classes which means they get less reps out during the class, and everyone knows practice makes perfect and due to the bad cardio they get it less reps then the rest. So no if I had to pick a student to start martial arts and see who would be the best by the end of there first year of training, I’m picking the guy who plays sports 3 times a week way before the strict bb who does that 6 times a week.
Anybody with months and years of training can fight no matter the size, people without training no matter the size cannot fight simple as that argument over.
I had a bodybuilder as a student and had a very unique thing happen I can't explain. I was teaching him leg kicks and gave him a pretty mild shot to the classic spot on the thigh . He was in instant severe pain( thought he was joking at first ) and when he pulled up his huge 90's parachute pants the muscle was fully knotted up like a baseball and 3 days later it was totally black and blue like he'd been hit with a 2 x 4 . He did admit to being mid cycle so I don't know maybe that had something to do with it? I know I have heard of BB's getting serious injuries doing seemingly low-key things so who knows.
If you dont lower your training volume you would be much proner to injury for that reason alone, say a guy has already "torn up his legs" in a workout, then getting hit on them also - recipe for disaster
Like the first person said, also depends on bf levels and where he’s pinning.
I heard somewhere that really lean guys get hurt easier. Like even tattoos for them is super painful. It always made me wonder how weight dropping impacting injuries. Like I wonder if it would be safer if fighters could keep more weight on their body.
most bodybuilders don't do cardio and endurance training.
bigger muscles often means more bloodflow, and possibly more nerve exposure/sensitivity as well
people often think that big legs are armour but it's really the opposite
a lot of Thais you see take leg kicks are super slim (yes they are good at checking, but they can take a lot of solid kicks too)
You really have no idea how unequipped you are to fight until you start sparring. As JJW said in the video you're mind goes blank as soon as you have another person throwing something back at you.
Yeah, that's why muscle memory is super important to train. Your mind can go blank, but you are pretty much in autopilot mode.
@@slayemintrue💯💯
@slayemin You can have muscle memory and still suck after being off for some time. I can't move like I used to. So of I get back in I have to train completely different
@@StandWatie1862 Partially true. It's probably like riding a bike, you don't forget 100% of everything and you'll pick it up again really fast. Old age may change your limitations and techniques, but that just means you need to retrain your muscle memory a bit to compensate for your new limitations.
When I used to box they used to make us train for every situation. One time fighting on the inside I wanted to step to my right and move out of the way to set up my punch, I got yelled at by my trainer who told me "NO! Do not dance out of the way, stay in there and fight your way out!" It caught me off guard so I stopped and got hit a few more times because I hesitated. I got a standing 8 count, not because I was hurt, but after taking a few good punches they would call a standing 8 count on us. I was annoyed but I realized how it helped me learn because you're not always going to be able to dance out of the way, you sometimes have to sit on the inside and trade shots to get yourself out. To your point about being unequipped, even those of us who were doing it for a time, even we can have moments that cause us to freeze briefly, especially when you're beginning and have never truly been hit before.
i never understand this question. No strength athlete ever said that he is a fighter. Everyone is triggered when he sees a strong guy. No one would say "a sprinter can't really fight". It is a different sport.
Fighters seem to be really insecure
Not like sprinters need to fight, they just run away lmao good luck catching one
bradley martin thinks he can fuck up nate diaz
@@NainoLoL If you're a marathon runner you'll catch them eventually lol.
@@shriharihudli And if you're decent at sprinting, decent at distance running, and decent at parkour you can outrun basically anyone who is elite in just one of those things if you're in an urban environment.
Houston Jones begs to differ. He does have wrestling, TKD, and BJJ training, so he's kinda the exception, not the rule.
1000% lol he’s what we should all strive to be 😂
Jon Jones begs to differ.
@@ThePoorBoynot back in the John "bones" days. But was still the best.
You really don't know what a guy can do(scrawny or fat) until they start doing it.
Wrong I know bodybuilders who do some kind of martial arts
Hell Bruce Lee was a bodybuilder
To generalise for her I people are not on the internet doesn't mean they're not doing something you're not where of
Hes a martial artist and a bodybuilder. So that explains
It's almost like people aren't good at what they don't train. Who would have thought?
Yep should be obvious logically at least
Lifters started it. The victim weight trend lifters have been saying, shows how lifters think they can take anyone smaller then him. Or the “I’m 260 bro” so stop being hypocritical and playing victim when hella lifters act like there strength and size makes them the baddest man on the planet
@@richfoster4369 calm down dude. nobody is acting in any way here
@@DaanSnqn yet most lifter do so your the Exception .
@@richfoster4369 I've personally never met a lifter who thought like this. Lifters are usually pretty humble because they learn their limits real quick in the gym.
The muscles you make are what you train for. Body builders don't train to fight, so their muscle memory and some of the smaller muscles aren't developed. Not that they can't; just look at Hafthor. When he started training for boxing it looked AWFUL, but after a couple years he was fairly competent, and he could still lift heavy.
So yeah, in general body builders can't fight because they don't train for it.
Logic thinking, i love it!
I think there’s just a difference in the type of person who trains to fight and bodybuilding. Fighting takes athleticism and bodybuilding does not. Only reason I’m saying this is because boxing is one of the only martial arts where you don’t have to train for years to be competent(your example)
I wouldn’t even say that is bodybuilders can’t fight at all. I think they would do well against the average Joe that doesn’t in most cases…. Many bodybuilders believe that they don’t need to train because of their size and strength. Ask your them; they’ll they you... That’s why they’re the ones(not all) that go into MMA gyms and BJJ gyms challenge fighters. It’s not the other way around.
Body builder also make terrible hunter gatherers. If you look hunter gatherer tribe their build is simular to a long distance runner. Built for endurance strong but primarily lean with good stamina. yet there are many "cave man" posers promoting what they think is the hunter gather lifestyle.
They don’t know how to fight, because that is not what they train for.. but just give one a few months of training and you’ll see all of those who said he or she couldn’t fight avoiding him or her at sparring.. physical conditioning is an essential element in fighting and they have plenty of that, they just need to adjust it to fighting.. just body weight is a factor in fighting..
Well said. Totally agree. Weight lifting is a serious part of my mma training. I just have to wisely split the time between the two.
I know what you mean I first started Muay Thai I had already been lifting for 2years struggled to schedule them properly for a while
Exactly 💯💯 guarantee they will shut up then
@@chrismayclin6397I know you know there is difference between weightlifting for athleticism and weightlifting for aesthetics.
@@chrismayclin6397whats the point of weight lifting when a non weight-lifting boxing will snipe you before you can get close enough to grab them?
i love how genuinely invested seth got in sumo he btings it up like every other video he's a karate AND sumo guy now we love to see it
He's a moron you shouldn't take advice from... I'm a black belt, this guy knows nothing about fighting other than the basics.
I mean sumo is cool as shit, can't blame him
"Bodybuilders almost always can't fight"...really, no kidding. They're profession is Bodybuilding not Fighting. Ffs.
😂💯
Their profession is male beauty contest, but some weird dudes will still argue on how this buf dude can beat up a professional fighter.
@@bleeemIt's truly bizarre.
@bleeem because they can't accept the fact that they are weak.
Bodybuilding and martial arts are two separate skill sets. Just cuz you’re good at one doesn’t automatically mean you’re good at both. One can help with the other but just because you’re athletic or strong.
Bodybuilders aren't athletic. When someone says athletic I expect them to have the cardio of an athlete (since we're talking about martial arts, in other sports cardio obv doesnt matter). Bodybuilders never focus on cardio and I've listened to many bodybuilders even having a laugh with cardio and some even saying "it destroys your gains" anecdotally (without them throwing evidence about it).
Martial Artists can do circles around you till you get tired and make explosive punches or kicks wherever they want if you've got no cardio.
Bodybuilders can't even do heavy lifting, because they dont focus on "making the heaviest lift and going to olympiad" or something. Like if we talked about "heavy lifting sport" or something. Puretly because they focus purely on aesthetics. They're not "the best" at anything other than looking nice. They aren't athletes. See people who lift the heaviest weights, see their bodies, do they look like body builders or more like bears? Point being athletes dont focus on aesthetics, they focus on their sport. Bodybuilders focus on them looking nice, which isn't a sport, it's only about looking "nice", which also depends on what is the definition of nice for each person here.
Last point being, that doesn't mean body builders can't heavy lift, but they're not the world's heaviest lifters, they're not martial artists, they're not anything. They're what the word itself says .... Body ... Builders. They won't focus on anything else than your body .... being built nice. Not being built for another specific reason (other than looking good) or sport.
Which ... makes body building not a sport. Sport != Your body looking nice. it can be a competition, but so is "Columbia's prettiest woman". It doesn't make it a sport.
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Like when I was doing calisthenics, I never called calisthenics a sport. But it's a way to build your body and muscles. Certainly. But it's not a sport.
And neither is bodybuilding. It's something, but not a sport.
@@exapsy True body builders do power lifting routines, all the older bodybuilders like Arnold, Columbo and so on all started as power lifters originally that's why they had that hard look, when I lifted I did both body building routines and power lifting, had physique of Steve Reeves but could bench 550 and squat 650, don't ever think body builders can't lift the heavy weights.
@@exapsy a well rounded body builder actually is an athlete. To say body building isn’t a sport or body builders only focus on looking nice or can’t lift heavy is a stereotype and they are far more nuanced than you’re giving them credit for.
Bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman and Olympic lifting are all different sports. If the way to be a great football player was just to be strong coaches would have their athletes just powerlift and don't bother with practicing actual football. If it was all about explosive power they would just have their athletes perform Oly lifts and nothing else. If it was just speed then they would just train them like sprinters. Wait....if that was the case we wouldn't need to even play football. We could just settle it with a meet for one of these.
@@exapsyyup, bodybuilding is literally just a competition for narcissists. It's not a sport & it serves no actual practical function for day to day life other than cosmetic appearance. Add in the use of roids that so many of these guys use & abuse makes it also extremely unhealthy for both the body & mind.
People that use roids have a cheaters mindset. Jokes on them though as they end up looking ridiculous & cheating their health & life span to feed their narcissism.
I was actually talking about this the other day in regard to women's self defense. I feel safer at any of my gyms than most other places, because at the BJJ and Boxing gyms I'm surrounded by guys that can fight better than I can and at my weight lifting gym I'm surrounded by guys that might not know how to fight but nobody is looking to find out if they can when their delts are the size of my head.
That is funny. I feel safer in fighting gyms than anywhere else. Because they are probably the last place someone would want to start a fight. And everyone else would pull them off if they did. People go there to train safely, anyone with a bad attitude would get kicked out. Well unless you go to some weird underground boxing gym run by a gang or something. But in all the places I have been to there is a sense of everyone wanting to help each other and a brotherly attitude. There is no ego there. Where as in a body building gym you get all types of people, some with big egos and maybe you could fight one bigger guy, but not a group of them.
@cgsec2275 EXACTLY!!! Thus far the guys at ALL my gyms have always been kind and respectful and I feel 100% safe around them!
Bruh.. I feel safe in every friendly environment, like the gym, boxing gyms too (safer here tho because fighters wouldn’t attack you for no reason, and they are in more self control)
This is quite funny
@@lilmanq7746 I have only had a dozen or so MMA classes, mostly grappling sparring. But I already feel much safer everywhere. And more aware, calm and confident. Training seems to have gotten rid of a lot of anxiety for me.
Powerlifting is my main sport (1450lb total at 200lbs) and the translation to martial arts are pretty marginal beyond a certain point. The strength is handy, but you only need so much. Deadlifting 600lbs isn’t really that useful, especially in striking haha
As a powerlifter who's interested in martial arts and has rolled a bit with some BJJ guys, I find that my squat and deadlift's main translation is how explosively I can bridge to get guys off of me and escape mount.
@@MrRunescapenator you have not rolled with people who are good in mount then it doesnt matter if you deadlift 500 or 5000 pounds it doesnt make a difference in escaping mount
the people who mounted you either didnt try hard to stay on mount and was nice with you ( as training mostly is) or theyr mentality was broken
@@MrRunescapenator see it like this, bullriding, or riding a horse,
no matter how much you deadlift you wont be stronger than a bull or a horse
its all technique
i know you wouldnt get out of my mount if i dont want you too
@@backbone93 this -- this is why we can't have nice things... stronger is better than weaker... and in fighting heavier is better than lighter... it does make a difference in escaping mount and more importantly in preventing getting mounted... ask the BJJ guys to start from standing instead of from the ground to start to highlight the differences.
@@Pawn007can you are the reason why we cant have nice things cuz you cant differenciate between opinion and reality anymore
Reality hurts your feelings cuz you live in opinion wonderland
I've been training kickboxing and muay thai semi-professionally for over 10 years and after I retired I started lifting weights for the hell of it and beefed up quite a bit. Not gonna lie, it's true that most bodybuilders can't fight and there were some instances where some "tough guys" assumed I can't too, the confusion in their eyes when the first strike in a fight I throw is a hard low kick and they instantly can barely walk is priceless 😂😂
And then everyone clapped
Ok tough guy 😅
And then you woke up
The replies have never been kicked in the leg by anyone of skill and it shows lmao. You guys watch too many movies if you genuinely think you’re walking off a roundhouse to the leg without any conditioning.
@@watersnortmoment3734 we are not doubting the power of a leg kick buddy, we're making fun of this Goofy mf
I dunno... I think a bodybuilder can still outfight the average man (because the average man doesnt even practice fighting) But if someone has enough speed and technique they can effectively shut the body builder down. But even a good fighter would have trouble fighting a moving barrel of water if it weighed 300 lbs and had arms and legs.
Of course a bodybuilder can outfight a regular untrained dude, one has no fighting skills but a lot of strength and the other has neither
@@eladrio2311yeah, but they're bothnon the same skill level as fighters, so it's an apt comparison. What doesn't makes sense is taking an athlete from a particular field and then mocking him because you can outperform him in your field, which he has no experience in.
@@leonardomarquesbellini It's like mocking a fighter because he would do absolutely horrible in a strong man competition. And at the end of the day no matter how good a fighter you are, is the man with the gun who wins
Some guys just don't go down. They're meatheads. You break their jaws, break their nose, kick them in the ribs...and they keep coming.
Ali fought Norton for several rounds with a broken jaw.
Best not to fight at all...even if you know how.
@@Bloozguylivershot says otherwise xD
The cauliflower ear is definitely something to be afraid of!
Ice baths reduce inflammation which is good for fighters who have to train daily but for bodybuilding it’s bad as inflammation is needed for muscle growth.
They also increase your base dopamine level, improve your body's ability to regulate its own temp, help with metabolism, and if I'm not mistaken heart rate variability might also improve with them. Huberman has done HOURS on the benefits of ice baths, enough so that I can't remember them all.
“Uugghh he spit on the turf” 😂
@@ReDuVernay True, lots of people would benefit and you didn’t even mention the mental issue people have with volunteering for suffering, ice baths are horrible until you get used to it, chandler said he was scared of it and now he does it everyday, he’s already a tough human but that’s gotta have some kind of impact.
Ice baths are literally just astrology for bros, it does absolutely nothing, there is no scientific evidence of an advantage in recovery.
That is totally innacurate! Where did you get that from? Inflammation due to exercise occurs primarily in joints, not in muscles. Cold baths can benefit any athtlete.
Bodybuilders can fight a lot better than the average person. Being bigger and stronger and heavier is enough to win vs most people. Obviously they can't fight a professional because they don't train for that sport.
That's because the average person can't fight lmao
@@UnusuallyLargeCrab Yeah and bodybuilders can fight slightly better.
@@UnusuallyLargeCrab No shit sherlock.
jus becuase you’re bigger and stronger does not mean you can fight slightly better than your average person so the fact you say a lot better is complete bs as your average person can throw a random haymaker and knock out the body builder who’s never been hit ever his whole life
@@gaberesendez6492 that was one of the dumbest comments i've read yet tbh
I have lifted for about 12 years and train martial arts for fun too. If you don't train to fight you won't know how to fight. But having strength is such an advantage especially for grappling. I was stiff arming, taking down and throwing my 250+lb training partner the first few months I started grappling. People kept asking me if I had ever wrestled before. Nope.
Gotta train your lifting people muscles 💪
I had a similar experience in BJJ lol. I played football in highschool, which is mostly weightlifting and a few years out of highschool I tried BJJ and my trainer was like "you football guys always just muscle out of everything."
Fighters be like "Those muscles aren't gonna be so useful when we fight", bro I'm calling the police, I'm not fighting you. MF I'm a CIVILIAN.
I just imagine the most jacked guy saying this lmao.
Good move but in some situations you gotta move some hands. Better to avoid tbh
@senseisethreacts Umm...you're telling your viewers to NOT be afraid of fighting a bodybuilder...forgetting that a POWERFUL arm does NOT have to twist, or have the elbow raised, or even put some hip into it to do damage. A POWERFUL arm can knock you out EVEN if the form is inefficient. And when you WAKE UP, you can tell everybody he did it wrong.
😭😂💯💯dude!!
@@esthetics4512 Internet High Five!
The bodybuilder guy is actually pretty athletic! I was expecting one of those super bulky guys that looks like he's walking through quicksand! Plus he didn't try the old...'hit him as hard as you can' when they sparred... good to watch !
Yeah, I remember one of his older videos he did the nfl combine and he is decently athletic
He was a college athlete that got into body building. How you train makes a difference as well.
No way? Guys who dont train to fight... cant fight? That's crazy man.
The average person sees a guy who's jacked and does think they would do well in a fight.
@@KeyserSoze23 a guy who's jacked would do well against the average untrained guy (95% of the general population)
@@danieljackson1468💯💯exactly
@@danieljackson1468idk i think theres a much higher percentage of people who train fighting now, especially jiu jitsu and stuff due to ufc. bodybuilders are just too slow , have no balance or fight iq
@@terrycruise-zd5twIn most countries the amount of people who do martial arts of any kind is between 1% and 2%
a big guy vs a small guy, both untrained in martial arts i bet on the big guy, but usually if one has a good amount of martial arts conditioning and skill, not pro, i bet on that guy
“Isn’t that the coolest thing you’ve ever seen? C’mon, it’s pretty cool. My wife hates it”
I love you Seth😭😂
It's an ugly eye sore, not complimentary as it's not like the entire room is Japanese themed. He doesn't have good taste in art, it's just a background for his videos.
@@CarnageJesterXyeah but he’s epic so it’s okay
Bodybuilders can't fight cos they're not fighters. Amazing.
Ig they're different sports or smth
But id bet on someone who bodybuilds against someone that do zero training. (Ik that obvious)
They have weight classes for a reason. I am reminded of Mariusz Pudzianowski, not a bodybuilder but a scary dude.
Mariusz is a boom and im from Poland he was ragdolled by ex middle weight champion of ksw mamed khalidov
the weight class if for expert fighter vs expert fighter, not heavy weight scrub vs light expert
Yes, bodybuilders can't fight just because they're buff. This may give some advantages if the fighters are on the ground, but if a bodybuilder misses even one blow from a professional fighter (who will hit the target easily enough), then this is immediately a knockout.
Another thing, I notice a strange trend in this matter. And what makes you think that most gym bros go to the gym to learn how to fight? Or that they even need it? I'm an amateur bodybuilder and I work hard not to be able to fight. Moreover, I despise physical violence and I do not care what professional fighters think of me in this regard. If I wanted to be able to fight, I would go to some section of jiu-jitsu or kick boxing. It feels like fighters for some reason think that their sport is the only true sport. That a man must be able to fight, otherwise he is not a man. And they believe that for some reason they really need to prove to everyone that they are better than those who simply work for the sake of health, strength and aesthetics. In general, all this is a stupid discourse, as for me.
Yeah, I think this is just toxic masculinity. It stems from a core belief of "I define my masculinity by shutting down weaker men", which is really just a bully mindset and a mindset of someone who needs the approval of others to feel validated about themselves. Your sense of self security should come from within.
@@slayemin Nah, your sense of security should be based in reality, not delusion. Just tricking yourself into feeling secure is nonsensical. Actually understand why the other outcome makes people secure, it's because as a man, if crap goes down, you are expected to handle it. The better you are at handling it, the more secure not just you are, but the people around you are in reality are.
No such thing as toxic masculinity, just toxic people and misandrists who think it's based in masculinity.
So you better know how to fight or at least own a firearm to make up for the fact you can't. Better yet do both. Men should be at least capable of defending themselves because there are times where it will likely be necessary. That's just life. Don't need a sport for that but preparation is key.
@@theworstcatholic7247 I agree with what you say, but I think you may be misunderstanding what I was trying to get at. I'm condemning the people who go get guns or train to fight so that they can pick fights with other people because it makes them feel more manly or macho. You see that more often with younger adult men who haven't matured enough.
On my end, I spent six years in the marines, have an AR-15 and know how to use it very proficiently, and I do kickboxing three times a week. I can handle myself well enough, but I just hope I don't ever need to. I think that differs from the toxic mentality of "I'm going to learn how to fight so I can go pick fights with other guys and kick their asses." I've seen this in the marines, where some new guy fresh out of boot camp thinks he's billy badass now because he went through basic training, goes and picks a fight with a bigger marine, and gets his teeth punched in (it was kinda funny because he learned a very valuable lesson really quickly as he got put in his place and corrected by physics).
True, but the real reason bodybuilders can't fight is simply because they're not trained in that way. A bodybuilder that has trained fundamentals in striking and grappling may still not have the gas tank as pro fighters, but now has the power that comes with their muscle size. There's enough examples of heavy hitters in combat sports that don't have the stamina to go at a high pace every round.
My experience is that training to fight makes people more peaceful. You simply know that you can (and will lose) fights, so me personally, I avoid physical confrontations in real life even more than before training martial arts. Even without guns and knifes thrown into the mix. If you want to fight me, come to my gym. :)
In other news there are hardly any pro rock climbers playing in the NHL
That's right ghey boi stay in your own lane
If somebody starts talking about how you cannot fight because of your great physique, it means you already got under their skin simply by existing and that may not make you a winner but it makes the other person a loser. Also if I see a black guy who looks exactly like Tyson Bolt from the neck down I'm not going to guess that he cannot run at all just because he does not work on his running technique at all.
The average person is going to see that great physique WAY more often than we see the Ninjas fighting skills
Gayest shit I ever heard 😂😂😂
I never met or heard a bodybuilder ever claim they can fight, even if they did I'm sure they are not referring to trained martial artists. A lot of insecure dudes are coming out and riding the wave Andrew Tate started. There are plenty of videos on TH-cam of trained amateur, and pro fighters getting KO in a street fight by average Joes, it really depends on the individual and what they are capable of.
For me whenever I see videos like this, it’s the same as saying “guitar players can’t play piano”, like yes it’s true, but that’s because they really haven’t learned or been taught that skill, and sure being bulky as hell isn’t gonna help you with striking speed, I don’t think a little muscle is gonna hinder performance if you’re smart with it. I also think it would help prevent a ton of injuries if martial artists did a little strength training
Martial artists already do strength training… it’s just strength and conditioning focused on the aspects of explosive power and athleticism. While bodybuilding is focused mainly on aesthetics, no different from the strength training a football player would have vs bodybuilding. Athletes don’t train for aesthetics
Body building and martial art go hand in hand. Its a myth that bodybuilding makes you stiff and limits mobility. Look at Jai white or even Van Dam.
All top level MMA fighters train body building also. Some body builder routines are so fluid you would think they were full water.
I think you’re mistaking bodybuilding for lifting weights in general, they’re two different things
@senseisethreacts they're only different in the sense of their ultimate goals, but they're essentially the same thing -- resistance training, which ends up building muscle. I've been doing some form of strength training since I was a teen, and my goals (looks or strength) have fluctuated a lot, and so have my training modalities, but the result is the same: I'm stronger than average, and more muscular than average. Tomato, tomato.
And the two examples cited - Van Damme and Jai White are definitely bodybuilders rather than weightlifters -- their focus was on building an impressive physique that looks good on camera. Yet, do you think they are weak?
@@senseisethreacts i am not mistaking anything.
my training consists of bodybuilding routines, even posing.
It compliments my wrestling. It is the most effective art form to control bodymass/density.
Also posing techniques are (in my opinion) fundamental in learning how to master defensive muscle contractions.
Some poses like the abdominal vacuum (nali krya yoga) help breathing in between rounds, but also add last minute stability to body throws or suplex.
In fact i think you could create a lot of new content; if you were to explore the cross roads of the two physical arts.
@@lebatcritique yes, well said. I did not even mention that half of the Tao of Jeet Kun Do, by By Bruce Lee are all body building tutorials. There is even another book by Bruce dedicated to body building specifically. "Bruce Lee The Art of Expressing the Human Body"
@@lebatcritique💯💯
Of course, bodybuilders can't fight. They're bodybuilders. Unless they're bodybuilders that also train in martial arts. A lot of bodybuilders have low stamina anyway.
I am an ex amateur boxing regional champion and I am now doing natural bodybuilding, pretty sure I can fight lol. Also look up Franco Columbu boxing he was an ex golden gloves champion and then won mr olympia, there is an old video of him skipping and hitting the bag and even though no old sparring footage that I know of, he looked good.
You sure showed everyone on TH-cam how big of a man you are with this comment.
@@haydenmammen6079 And you did the same by replying to me mate
@@haydenmammen6079 you showed everyone how insecure you are and gave us all a clue that you probably cant deadlift your own bodyweight. he wasn't even showing off just stating his opinion through his life experience.
All yall sit at home and eat Doritos just stop
Saying bodybuilders can’t fight and then comparing them to fighters (especially professionals) is silly … if they are untrained in fighting you should be comparing them to untrained people in fighting.
hes not wrong though
its just a secondary channel to goof around on
But bodybuilders have a habit of saying “dude I could beat most people in a fight” (not Jesse but plenty of them)
@@SenseiSethin my opinion this framing perpetuates that rather toxic myth in martial arts / fighting communities that Strength is a detriment in fighting. That strength and conditioning is really just cardio and strength training is a negative for fighting performance.
This is obviously untrue… but it’s a pervasive myth.
A bodybuilder or anyone who trains pretty much anything will have an advantage in fighting over people who don’t train. Additionally, a bodybuilder will likely be better prepared than someone fresh out of the mcdojo.
@@SenseiSeth First of all, i have never heard a bodybuilder say this. And even if some do, it is reffering to normal people who don't train, which a bodybuilder would beat in a fight. No one is saying a bodybuilder would beat a fighter, because if that was the case, every top fighter would just train in bodybuilding, and would barely even know how to punch. Of course someone who dedicates their entire life to a sport, will be better than one who doesn't. Everyone, including bodybuilders, knows this. This entire "Bodybuilders can't fight" thing is just something insecure men tell them selves so they can feel better. They look at bodybuilders and think " Man, this guy looks so much better than me and is so much stronger than me, i have to say something so i fell better about myself". and so the stupid "All that muscle doesn't mean you can fight", or my favourite "That muscle doesn't mean you are bulletproof" get started. Literally no bodybuilders think, or say they can fight. That is just something weak people say to make them feel bad. My favourite thing is that people who say this can't even fight themselves. They are the "street fighter guys" who haven't trained a day in their lives, and have no clue how to fight.
There's a bodybuilder named Roelly Winklaar. He KO'd 2 dudes beating up his brother, but a 3rd guy stabbed him (it only cut the skin). He was probably lighter back then, compared to today.
Is there any video discussing this? I'm really interested lol
@@moreassmoregas I read about it in a magazine.
How can it be a stab if it only cuts skin?
@@vbby That guy was probably using something with a short blade, not a regular knife.
@@moreassmoregas Search "Roelly Winklaar Trains Back and Sibil Tells Story of the Scar "
4:41 Lacrosse he was a very good midfielder.
Paulo Costa is arguably more bodybuilder than fighter, considering he’s only signed to an organization but never fights.
how's the saying go ? "i'm 250 bro"
A bodybuilder can only beat an untrained skinny/fat guy. But a real skilled fighter with not as much muscle or size can beat the bodybuilder.
Just because you look the part doesn't mean you are fit to fight.
The quality of muscles and overall strength you get from just body building vs Boxing/MMA are insanely different.
Being strong will help for sure. I did a pro mma match against a less skilled former professional body builder. I won but it wasn’t easy. He made me work for the takedowns. He new mma stuff but it was very much wrestling vs steroids and it wasn’t an easy win. He didn’t hit as hard as it looked like he would, wasn’t as explosive as he looked, and he did get real tired
You’re telling me untrained athletes are bad at sports? 🤔
"Why is this so good immediately?" My exact thoughts at the start of every Sensei Seth video, ever.
Fighting requires skill and technique, not muscles, it’s obviously that simple, working out in itself will not get you a skill set, most muscular people are very uncoordinated
Anybody who's not trained in any form of fighting cannot fight properly. Bodybuilder or not
Finally someone speaking the truth. Yes there's steroids on the mix martial art but as a kid there was a BIG difference between early 00's MMA fighters and early 00's WWE wrestlers. U had guys like Batista,Chris Masters,Chris Benoit. JUICED to the gills boderline bodybuilders. But u looked at mma and the biggest u would see is Victor Belfort which is big but compared with WWE isn't Big BIG. Hell even WWE guys weren't FULL bodybuilders because they need cardio for the job they do and when u are super HUUUGE you're cardio isn't all that. I just look at most body builders talking and they need to heavy breathe just to talk for very long.
especially if they're preparing for a show - no chance they'll have the energy to fight
most bodybuilders don’t claim to be fighters. statements like these just come off as insecure.
That's right go back to your Crunch fitness and stop pretending like you really about this shit
Looking good doesn't mean you can fight. But looking shit doesn't mean you can fight either.
I’ve tapped out and tagged many bodyBuilders. They are strong but very uncoordinated
Yeah, and I've drippled so many fighters in Football.
Pretty sure Jesse has a Lacrosse background and played collegiate before doing TH-cam full time
I’d believe that!!
Here is a list of fighters that are jack as body builders, some did bodybuilding. Some don't, but had good muscle mass,low fat ratio.
Alain Ngalani
Yoshihiro "Sexyama" Akiyama
Ken Shamrock
Paulo Costa (former power lifter)
Keven Randleman
Sage Northcutt
Alistair Overeem (2011)
If there is one thing i learn watching MMA over the years, is that body types don't matter, fat, skinny, medium, muscle,tall or short. As long as you know how to use that difference as a advantage.
those are all juice heads lol
Roasting chandlers outfit was the highlight for me. I haven't laughed that hard at a roast in years.
Wouldn't you know it,people that train to be muscular are muscular and people that train to be able to fight are able to fight
I 100% agree about the light sparring, better for longevity and also gets you think things through while "fighting" instead of reverting to habits or no thought from intensity. Also, what do you have that makes so much noise with the fans?
There's different levels to fighting. Against a champion of fighting it would be no contest, against 95% of humanity which just live their lives it's a completely different story.
Brute strength can get you through the most ridiculous of situations, and not just with fighting!
Makes sense. They're not training to fight.
Yeah it's worse. They train to look like they can fight.
You say bodybuilders cant fight and you might be right but can you do what they can? Lets go Seth i wanna see you go for the bodybuilding challenge and turn from the chubby surprise into Hercules himself.
100% I don’t, but you won’t hear me saying “I could beat ____ in a lifting competition”
@@SenseiSeth Im just kidding. Thought if i say you cant do it you might actually shape your giant body into perfection just to proof a point which i think would be hilarious and i mean bodybuilding is still missing on your list of random things to try.
I think it's a big mistake to tell people that consider themselves 'trained fighters' to just not be afraid of bodybuilders. If you're a smaller guy, under no circumstance should you fuck with a 200+lb guy that lifts weights and is generally fit. The strength and weight advantage is worth a LOT. Brock Lesnar, for example, despite knowing how to fight at a high level, wouldn't dream of fucking with a Gorilla. Don't let your ego go crazy and assume your training will make up for a size mismatch!
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alot of times feather weights have trouble knocking eachother out so this is life saving advice
Icebath: I definitely feel an amp up in my nervous system (I can even clench my muscles harder) and also my skin feels super healthy after icebath. Whereas after a hot bath i can feel the oil leached out of my skin and feels a bit unhealthy, but the sweating is good for you.
Bodybuilders can be extremely flexible . . . If . . . They stretch, just like anyone else.
That Sumo... thing is the coolest thing I've ever seen.
Bodybuilders also can't usually work jobs where you do physical work. My 6 foot but only 160 lbs, wiry ass, can typically out work 250+ lbs bodybuilders. Sure they can lift 300 lbs easier than i can, but they blow out in 20 minutes when we still have 11.5 hours more of hard labour. Cardio is blasphemous to them or something
I bet strongmen could though, imagine those guys learning even basic wrestling skills
Too big theyd gass out insanely quick in wrestling unless they were born wrestling. Usada would pop them anyways
@@wisewigga7129 i wouldn't be so sure. they're usually pretty well conditioned given the medley events they have to do and the high rep events they have to do, and having to carry things, do farmers walks, etc. they especially tend to be much better conditioned than bodybuilders
To be perfectly honest, you probably KNEW you were ringing the dinner bell for practically anyone who works out hard in the gym when you posted this, so, not gonna feel regret saying what needs to be said.
First off, so what? No one is BORN with fighting skills hardwired in their heads, bodybuilder OR couch potato. So at first glance, it's difficult to argue with the title as such. But...
Secondly, you need to define your terms. Fighting is a social function where one side works to overcome not only the opposition's physical state but also their will, all too often entailing intentional pain and injury inflicted. Now UNLESS someone is a police officer, bouncer, sports competitor, bodyguard, bounty hunter, etc, if you engage in what's properly termed fighting, in every jurisdiction in the civilized world you're engaging in what amounts to CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR. Prepare to "defend your honor" in prison, slapnuts. Truth hurts. Self-defense is something entirely different, namely evading or otherwise mitigating the initial onslaught of aggression and safely escaping at the first opportunity; the second you COULD gave escaped and choose for whatever reason NOT to, you're no longer defending yourself in the eyes of the law but rather fighting. Re-read this paragraph.
Third, though you seemed to briefly tough on how your friend in the right could talk his way out of things, etc, it seems you glossed over & minimized that point. If your buttons are so easily pushed as to allow someone to draw you AWAY from a position of peace and INTO one of conflict, I would see you as too immature to be taught such dangerous skills in the first place. After years of training in the more widely known & respected systems and military combatives (retired after 22 years as a Navy Master at Arms), what I've gotten from years of aikido now is the ability to let goading and provocations run off my back.
Fourth and most pertinent, is that while bodybuilding doesn't teach or reinforce fighting-specific skills, it DOES impart several benefits which NO degree of martial arts training will give you (and I'll preface the following by specifying I mean NATURAL bodybuilding consistent with the icons of pre-steroid/PED days like Steeve Reeves, John Grimek and George Eifferman). There's the fact that right or wrong, the same people who'll start something physical with you out in the streets are going to be given pause by someone who "looks dangerous", and look for a "safe" target. As I see it, you (whoever the aggressor is) MISS 100% of the attacks I'm not there to receive. Also progressive resistance training over time not only strengthens the muscles but also thickens and toughens connective tissue, making someone more resistant to injury from violence or any sort of mishap. And as a result of getting stronger, any degree or training or experience is enhanced because fine motor skills fall off precipitously when it's "game on" and the adrenaline dump hits where your strength, as an attribute rather than a skill, stays and is still usable.
In the end, no real reason to give up bodybuilding at the expense of one's martial arts training. I still do & love them both, and always will.
Jesse James West's athletic background was in lacrosse. I love his channel too, he has such a positive personality
Can a bodybuilder fight? It depends on a ton of shit. What do we mean by bodybuilder? Are we talking about a guy who is clearly muscular, but not to the degree it restricts movement? Are we talking about a super-heavyweight who can barely wipe his own ass and is on so many drugs he's barely clinging to life? What sort of fight context? Against an experienced fighter? Or against a random untrained person with hardly any size or strength? How tall is he? Is he a 200 pound 5'5" muscle-dwarf or a 350 pound 6'4" beef-golem? - also, doe the guy have the natural aggression factor? That intangible hard factor between the ears. You know the guy. The guy who hasn't ever done any competitive fighting, but his first time training he demonstrates that scary natural toughness and violence. If it's that guy, but now he's bigger and stronger, he's dangerous. He might have no endurance, but if there's a big enough size difference and the guy has explosive strength then he might not need more than 30 seconds. Obviously he's not going to beat up a real competitive fighter, but against the average drunk dumbass he might as well be a kaiju. That's why these guys get hired as bouncers.
as a strongman i have actually had fighting succes, its about getting that arm moving and letting the momentum and an open palm do the rest. Trying to muscle a strike just doesnt work well, us hulks are stiff and slow so timing and weight must be our weapons. Not that it would work on a UFC fighter tho, speed is probably coming out on top in any fight.
Powerlift deez nuts
Bodybuilders who JUST bodybuild......probably arent great fighters! ...(however they can throttle the life out of most untrained people with their bare hands pretty good!.....fighting isnt always squaring off in boxers stances trading jabs, crosses and doing footwork).......
But people who have bodybuilder physiques and know how to fight such as a pro-wrestler.....ask anybody whose been in a street fight with a pro wrestler! .....I know someone who can tell you about the horrors of that experience!......ask anyone whose seen a wrestler clean house in a bar and leave a trail of carnage and unconscious bodies, tell them that those guys can't fight!.....now granted i'm sure most of the people in these stories were untrained oafs and how these wrestlers would fair in a street fight against a trained mma person I cant say!.......all I'm saying is there are men who lift who CAN fight!
I watch JJ dubs all the time...and you all the time...would love to see a colab...especially coming off of his wins in bodybuilding...both of you guys have a niceness...that would work together. Much love...keep it going..
I’m 2 minutes in and really enjoy the non seriousness of Michael chandler. The we ain’t pretending nothing made me like him…. Then the blue chip stuff was a bonus. Even tho idk what that means and didn’t think it was particularly funny it was nice to see a goofy side of him. (I might have a crush on a boy) [what the frick is wrong with me] {look at his muscles oh my} STOP IT!
Bodybuilding and fighting are very different skills…. You can do both, but you gotta put the time and effort into both
Its probably better to do both
@@bleeem Bodybuilding training doesn't complement fighting as much as you would think, unless you are bulking because a bit of weight is always useful but if you were to do both you would be overtrained and not very flexible or mobile
I've seen many street fights, with guys who were juiced to the gills and guys way smaller than them would end up knocking them out. The problem is a lot of these big guys think because they have muscles that they can fight, and that is definitely not true. Just take a look at that Bradley Martin guy, who always says I'm 260 lb I could beat you when a street fight, and this is to professional fighters. But then you watch video of him sparring with this little skinny guy, and he has no idea how to throw a punch and he's trying to knock this kid out, and his technique is a joke. And then there's a video of him grappling with a guy his size, and he gets tossed around like a little girl. That's what these big guys don't realize there's a lot of skinny guys out there who can fight and know how to fight. And if you are big and muscular and you train and you can fight, if the fight doesn't end real quick all that muscle is going to make you gas out. When I was growing up we always called those guys with muscles all show and no go. Bodybuilding is really like a beauty contest, those guys get on stage and judges pick who they think looks the best. There's nothing wrong with keeping yourself in shape and if you want to be a bodybuilder you have that right to do whatever you want in life. I'm not putting bodybuilders down, I'm just saying that it's not good for fighting.
As a person who never missed a day in the gym before doing Jiu Jitsu and Wrestling, yes. Budybuilders cannot fight.
But once you learn how to fight, you outpace everyone around you.
Wersling is better than juju
How long does its take to learn
@@salimattal2864 ask Halfthor.
People say that but it doesn't really mean much. People who never trained any fighting usually can't fight. That's most bodybuilders. Heck if we are going with "fight" then a lot of people who have or are training something don't know how to fight but that's another story 😅
"Bodybuilders can't fight" *Houston Jones enters the chat*
Houston is different lol
Bruh Bradley Martyn
He can wrestle. He cant fight. Huge difference.
@mikei759 he's a Taekwando black belt, he can fight and he can fight good.
@@mikei759 Looks like you've only watched the wrestling short. You know nothing, lmao
I feel like the only bodybuilders that ever think they can fight are the ones that can actually fight or the ones suffering from side effects of their choice lifestyle lol. Like most of the time the only people I see talking about how muscles don’t matter in a fight are fighters. They aren’t wrong but also it always seems so off the cuff. This isn’t a dig at this channel just what I tend to notice with some fighters
I have a very bad cold right now so naturally I can't go train and I'm really bummed, but this is making me feel a bit better. I'm still a newbie (been training for 2 months now) so I could relate so much to JJW. Of course I'm not even remotely as athletic as he is (I'm a skinny woman), but I laughed so hard at the "spinning back fist" because I definitely did that in my first sparring session lol.
Bodybuilders rarely need to fight. Their size normally cows people. I think triathletes vs mma fighters is a better measure of effectiveness of a martial art.
im not one to believe body builders cant fight, but i do believe fighting is not a body builders profession.
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Bodybuilders are pretty athletically useless. Powerlifters and weightlifters are a very different story.
I train MMA (Karate, Judo, Boxing) and wanted to get into body building but as I got bigger I noticed i got slower so I was still the same power but not as fast and not as mobile so I toned back a little
Yep. When I focus on heavy lifting for a while and come back to training I feel sluggish and slower. The lactic acid buildup is insane too.
Rick Steiner destroy a lot of men backstage, some men where bigger than him. And he is not even a fighter. lol 😂
dude, you should get one of those drawing things so you can mark up fight footage with arrows and stuff like they do on ESPN.
also, those dudes should totally do a video with you!
I blame 80s movies for a lot of this; they cast bodybuilders as special operations soldiers and athletes and the general public doesn't know enough* to see how unrealistic that is
I mean you can’t deny that muscles look cool
@@ivog2256 it's true, but if you ever meet and hang out with Top tier military dudes you'd be surprised at how normal they look, especially in clothes
Seth please dont sell yourself short you are an absolute beast!!! Also I've sparred with a few martial artists in my time and even a massive chunk of them can't really fight.
There os a big dofferenxe between doing
Something and knowing something. Especially with martial arts likr kickboxing and MMA, technique needs to be tight because all you are doing is throwing hands and feet, so if you are not better than everyone in doing that you wont fair much better, at least with some grappling techniques you can end the fight in seconds.
You haven't fought a black belt in any martial art, so don't brag that you've fought martial artists.
Anyone can beat a white belt beginner, it doesn't mean you beat a martial artist. Big difference.
Especially if it's a street fight & not in the ring. Put on gloves with a decent boxer in the ring & be humbled quickly.
@@CarnageJesterX A LOT of martial arts schools do not stress test their students even the higher ranks. Even a sleight strength difference and closing of distance I made a few embarrassed.
@@CarnageJesterX why are you making up arguments in your head so you can win when did he say he fought white belts then you said put on gloves with a decent boxer and get humbled of course if your not training for boxing you would lose. Yall really are stupid lmao
@@CarnageJesterX Put a decent boxer in an MMA competition and they're likely to get humbled right quick, if they don't have any other training.
Boxing has some excellent benefits, but it has some huge lacks too.
Any person can usually be quickly humbled by a gun or a mob though.
There have been new studies on ice baths, stating that immediately doing one after a work out can halt initial recovery and blood flow although doing so after a bit of a cool off is fine say towards about an hour if I recall, could be wrong
Pudzianowski (from the Strongman competitions) had 2/3 wins in MMA matches. He mostly fought other Polish dudes, though.