mmmmmm yeah but fighters that aren't assholes are usually too humble to say "yeah I'd beat his ass." Ali said that Tyson would knock him out, and Tyson to this day maintains that Ali would knock him out, so... I dunno. I think booce would beat ali.
He did give himself a chance in a street fight where he could kick but yeah Lee said it wasn't much of a chance and compared their hand size to illustrate that point.
It's not verified that Bruce Lee actually said this. It's just hearsay of hearsay. This was what Robert Clouse (Enter the Dragon director) said in a book written many years after Lee's death that Bruce Lee said to Bolo Yeung (Bad muscled guy in Enter the Dragon) when he visited Bruce at Golden Harvest Studios. As Robert Clouse was a noted bs artist, the same guy who spread around a false rumor that Bruce Lee wanted to kill Bob Wall after an accident on set involving a glass bottle that cut Bruce's hand, and the fact that he just didn't like Bruce Lee very much, I take this particular claim with a pinch of salt.
At the time, journalists mentioned a famous moment when they first saw Ali stand next to Sonny Liston... The idea was that Liston was the bigger stronger guy, and Ali was the skinny, pretty boxer... But then they met at the center of the ring to touch gloves, and everyone saw that the "skinny" Ali was not only taller but had comparably wide shoulders.
Right. On film you perceive him to be a lanky, fast guy but he was way bigger than the average person. 6'3, 225-230 lbs. He had pretty wide shoulders and thick muscular legs.
Some people don't want to admit that Ali would win purely due to the fact that he out weighs Bruce lee by a bunch. We have weight classes for a reason folks.
also the fact that Ali is FAST AS HELL compared to a small man, his punches+his feet are fast his jab would reach Bruce Lee first before Lee can kick him
@@user-ok7kz8ru2q Ali's footwork and side way stance could work in a kickboxing fight plus Ali knows how to clinch and hold that's a MASSIVE advantage in a fight, especially against someone smaller Ali himself said that he had a school bully that he beat in a boxing match but said he'd probably get beaten by him in a real fight because his bully is bigger, stronger and can just wrestle him If you want evidence that Ali's stance and footwork can work in a kickboxing fight, look up "Samart Payakaroon" highlights
The funny thing about ali is that his career was spurred by Theft of his bike and ended by a burglary into his home, got him beat up and destroyed his self confidence, with this ended his career.
@MOMOHAJI585 if you watch him rope a dope Foreman you'll see him use double knife hands. He would frame with the lead arm and trap one of Foreman's arms with his rear. Ramsey has made an excellent argument that double knife hands are a collar tie. The way Ali uses the double knife hand isn't far off from a collar tie.
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Couple of notes: 1) Antonio Inoki was a pro wrestler 2) you mentioned Ali fought 12 rounds. Back in his day, they actually fought 15. Other than that, love this video.
@@cloudmaster182 Kind of. Yes, it was WWE style professional wrestling but in Japan in those days the style was more oriented to being an actual combat sport. They were pro wrestlers but they could actually fight and were trained by catch wrestlers like Karl Gotch and Lou Thesz.
Antonio Inoki is a pro wrestling legend, and the Ali vs. Inoki fight is an absolutely fascinating story, even though the match itself ended up being a farce. Definitely worth looking into and maybe even making a video out of it (?) if you can figure out a good way to do that.
Bruce studies how to combine hitting the groin, kicking the knees, combination punches to chin & gouges to the eyes if bruce use jujitsu on ali he would bite his ears off & crush alis balls whenever it is open
Bruce studies how to combine hitting the groin, kicking the knees, combination punches to chin & gouges to the eyes if bruce use jujitsu on ali he would bite his ears off & crush alis balls whenever it is open
This. Ali didn't know how to take leg kicks, and probably wouldn't have known how to defend a takedown. If Li could kick him enough and then take him down, he could win. That assumes that Li could avoid Ali's far superior striking power.
"Tao is a random collection of some of Bruce's notes. No one can learn JKD from there. Even some of movie fight choreography made it into that book." - Thomas Marx [Original JKD Instructor]
To anyone who questions this, you've gotta see Ali vs Liston and Ali vs Frazier and Ali vs Foreman. Ali is a picture perfect athlete who's missing nearly no important attribute. He's not the strongest but he was knocking everyone out in his prime. He has sufficient power, and more than enough to beat Bruce Lee. He's a heavyweight, the most heavy weightclass there is. And also Ali has reflexes, footwork, defensive speed, offensive speed, stamina, chin, and heart. Even in an unfavorable stylistic matchup, you cannot understate how much damage Ali is able to absorb. The only standout characteristic from Bruce Lee is that he can kick. If Ali fought someone who excelled in grappling, that'd be a different story. But someone who is very light and we just add kicking? That doesn't add much. Above all else, Ali can be called a real fighter. He's been in the ring with people who had violent intentions and the actions that went with that.
Ali vs prime Tyson. That's would be a great fight! Also for the fact that Ali was an out boxer and Tyson an in-fighter, i don't really could guess who will win
@@christophernewton8474 Ali faught wrestlers and kickboxers leading up to his match with Antonio Inoki, he wasn't clueless about mixed martial arts - the match itself was a s#itshow but Ali's leadup work was no joke.
Bruce was a light weight that never fought a professional bout, or hardly competed in general. I love Bruce, but I'm not even sure if he could have beaten Inoki..
I’m a 5’7 150lb Asian guy who’s been training martial arts ever since I was a kid. As much as it sucks to say unless you have a MASSIVE skill gap, size is usually enough to get the job done. 100lb and one foot of height is a huge advantage. That’s like a college athlete fighting a middle school student.
Wait. Size isn't enough tho. A small trained fighter can absolutely beat a big untrained guy, no doubt. But here we are talking about one of the greatest boxe champion of all times!
“Leg kick” lol. Bruce Lee didn’t attack “sport” targets. You aren’t stopping anyone that size with a leg kick. Waste of time. Primary targets are eyes, groin, kneecaps. A hit to any of these places, no matter how big someone is, will stop them. And if the leg is snapped. They will definitely be unable to fight.
Forget the weight class difference. Just the fact that Bruce Lee had virtually no professional fighting record, while Ali fought and beat all the heaviest hitters of his day should be enough for me to know where I put my money, even if they were the same weight.
@@wambokodavid7109 you mma cultists and sport fanboys should start a “I hate Bruce Lee” fan club. You should start a Bruce Lee hater club and invitee all the haters on here so you can all congregate and talk bullshit together about how much you hate a guy who did more and accomplished more than you ever will.
To me it comes down to this, Bruce Lee was an actor who was skilled in Martial Arts,while Ali was not only alot bigger than Lee,but was also a Professional and conditioned combat athlete. So if I was going to bet (and I never do) I would put mine on the Professional.
Bruce Lee was a martial artist who later became a martial arts action star when he went back to Hong Kong in 1971 and made movies for a year and a half* There. I fixed it for you.
Also check out the sparring that Bruce Lee and Joey Orbillo had, who is a professional heavyweight boxer who dropped Ken Norton. Orbillo will tell you differently.
Someone as big as Ali wouldn’t be able to move in the same way or have the same sort of speed that Bruce Lee had. What Bruce could do, due to his weight and size, is far more impressive than anything Ali could do. We are talking about a guy who was 5 ft 7 1/2 that could hit as hard as a heavyweight, move like an Olympic fencer and kicked like a horse. There is less than 1% of guys his size and weight that has these sort of attributes. It’s incredibly rare. This is why there are so many naysayers about Bruce Lee. You just don’t see guys this size with these sort or attributes, you might see someone who is fast, or maybe hits hard, but not someone who has all of these qualities combined. And he didn’t compete in sport, so you have to understand this is someone who training was geared completely for survival and not scoring points. It’s a combination of things. Genetics and training like a fanatic 25/30 hours a week for years on end, training in such a way as to train the muscles used to execute the movement/technique more efficiently and explosively. How Bruce Lee trained and what he did was very unorthodox, even by today’s standards.
I agree with Seth's assessment, but Lee does have a chance if it's kickboxing in a pretty large ring. I'm still giving it to Ali 4 out of 5 times, though. He's not just a big boxer, he's one of the greats.
A fight like this already happened in the 70's. A catch wrestler fought Ali in shooto. He spent most of the time on his back, kicking Ali's legs and it ended in a draw. Grappling would be Bruce's best chance, and a well-rounded grappler couldn't get it done. A speed advantage is also a physical advantage though. Lawrence Kenshin has a vid about a Thai boxer who destroyed giants. One of the fights, both guys were doing the right thing. Thai fighter was throwing roundhouse to head, bigger guy anticipated it, started throwing an overhand right, before the thai guy started kicking, but he still didn't make it fast enough. He took the kick to the dome, with all the added momentum of his own punch, got KO'd. Bruce's chances would be higher than 0%, but to say higher than 50% is straight dellusion.
@@senseisethreacts I watched about 10 seconds. You didn't put Subway Surfers in the background. I was a couple seconds away from the Inoki part when I commented. Came back and watched it all.
Ali was not only larger, but he wasn't just some big *"Gym bro."* He was a world class heavyweight boxer during a time where the fights would go on for 15 rounds; against other world class heavy weights. He was big, indeed, but Ali was very fast with them hammers.
Hey @senseisethreacts ! I think this was a really good dive into this classic matchup, I think it would be super cool if you reacted to this guy called Togo Ishii; he's like the only legit legit JKD guy i've seen on the internet, and his teacher was supposedly a disciple of bruce lee. He actually does real sparring in his videos as well as demos, dude is crazy fast and really shows the potential of JKD!
I was a freshman in high school for UFC 1, and also a new wrestler. My dad got the PPV and we watched the beginning. It was nuts to watch the sport evolve at the same time I did.
Purely speculating here, but in a straight boxing match I 100% agree Ali takes it. And even in kickboxing/Muay Thai- style match 100lbs and 7 inches is a hell of a hurdle to overcome. MMA I think the gap closes a little further. I could see Bruce Lee deciding to focus entirely on leg kicks, throws, and submissions in his training camp and catching Ali with something he's never seen before, BUT, I could also see Bruce declaring beforehand that he's going to knock Ali out with a kick or something equally wild, and then getting locked into a sub-optimal strategy. Street fight I think might actually be Lee's best bet. As you pointed out, Lee would absolutely embrace the Dale Gribble mentality. He'd be biting, throwing things, picking up improvised weapons, using gymnastics and parkour BS to maneuver to high ground. And I think with his life at stake Lee would be less likely to showboat but Ali would be less likely to view a guy Lee's size as a serious threat. If I had to go gambler's odds I'd give 30/1 in Ali's favor in a boxing match, 10/1 or 7/1 in a kickboxing match (depending on specific ruleset), somewhere between 5/1 and 2/1 for an MMA fight (depending on what kind of strategy the two of them implemented for their pre-fight training); and 1/1 in the street fight. Mostly because I see Bruce Lee as being more likely to shank somebody with a broken bottle than Muhammad Ali.
That makes sense. Bruce Lee grew up in a gang, street fighting. I doubt they were doing weigh-ins or anything before they squared up, so I doubt a size difference would be anything new to him. The main thing would be Ali's skill-set in that situation. Bruce may have faced skilled fighters, and he may have faced bigger guys. But how many times did he face someone that big AND that skilled?
It's difficult to say, purely because we've never seen Bruce fight outside of that sparring clip where it was clearly very light and prior to Bruce's main development as a Martial Artist. We've all heard of the sparring rumours and legends he was involved in too. Logically, I'd think the one with the greater skillset and options available to him (Lee) would win, but we can only guess. Ali was a hell of a fighter and mover, and the weight advantage would be a challenge that while less relevant in a street fight, still poses a problem.
As a welterweight, I boxed against a cruiserweight once. We were both 6' tall and I had a reach advantage. For the majority of the first round, I was able to stay out of range and tag him repeatedly. Near the end of the round, he realized that there was literally no way for me to knock him out and just walked me down, and I saw a right hand that was coming over the top of my guard, and the next instant I experienced was standing back up. I don't remember him ever landing a single hit on me, but I had to stand back up multiple more times. That size difference is even bigger. Any time Cassius landed a punch, Bruce's soul would leave his body.
I had the same experience, only I was featherweight and the guy I sparred with was middleweight. He was only a few inches taller than me. Tagged him a few times in the first round because since I was lighter, I was faster. And then he finally decided to power through (I mean he was holding back), I only saw an over hand right at the last second and I was down. It only took one punch. I got hit by guys around my weight before, I can pretty much hold up. And I was knocked down by a guy my weight before as well, but being punched by someone way heavier was different. The world was literally spinning when I got hit.
Although I do agree in your scenario, as you are both boxers, the only thing I will say is that as Bruce Lee did train mma, IF he did kick Ali in the legs it would be a long day for Ali. So it would be about who hits who first because realistically if Ali punched Bruce it would be a long day for him
(Talkin about boxing) Well... depends. Generally speaking you're right. But if the shorter guy is pretty strong, if he's fast in fighter with heavy punches things are way different. Don't forget Tyson (and many others) has beat much taller and heavier boxer.
Bruce Lee, when asked if he could beat Muhammad Ali in a fight, supposedly had this to say: "Look at my hand... that's a little Chinese hand. He'd kill me."
I think without gloves, no holds barred is Bruce Lee's best scenario and it's probably 40/60 for Bruce. The sheer size difference combined with the fact that Ali is WAY faster than a heavyweight has any right to be is a tough combination to overcome. Still knockout power is a real thing and Bruce Lee is extremely fast. He can deliver a knuckle or a heel where it needs to be with incredible speed and timing. There's always a chance and that environment is as far from what Ali has been training for as possible (terrain, equipment, rules etc). I think if pride had been around in the 70s Bruce Lee would have become famous for cleaning up the 145 division and revolutionized sports nutrition a decade or two earlier.
Just wanted to add that boxing gloves are a huge part of boxing; you have to change your guard, the fist you make and your distance/timing and all of that would shave away at alis advantage. Small things but depending on the scenario it all adds up.
I'm a self professed Bruce Lee fanboy, I'm 90/10 in favor of Ali. Bruce was fast, but so was Ali. Bruce was strong for his size, but Ali was bigger. Both had incredible endurance. Change their size to equal, odds go to 60/40 Ali. At the end of the day, Bruce Lee was a pioneer, but Ali was a professional fighter.
Have to give it to Bruce for being able to convince generations that he was somehow the best fighter on the planet despite having never actually fought once. Thinking Lee could beat any professional fighter at any level is ridiculous. He was an actor and the only people to have ever vouched for his fighting prowess were other actors and or celebrities. People idolize and picture Bruce as this mythical being because that's what Hollywood does best. Bruce could probably beat up a regular Joe easy enough just through pure athleticism but I mean so could Seth. But anyone who thinks a 5"8 148 lbs man is giving a heavyweight champion boxer any kind of trouble is delusional beyond measure.
HELL NO Bruce Lee wouldn’t beat Muhammad Ali. Bruce Lee HIMSElF said that Ali would kill him. He’s been quoted on it. Bruce Lee was no fool. He was highly intelligent and a realist. The non martial artists that never fought combat sports and go on Movies NEVER ask how Bruce Lee would do against Duran , Sugar Ray Leonard, MannyPacquiao, …while we’re at it, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler-or even At Heavy weight George Foreman, Holyfield,Frazier??? Those fans keep watching Dragon Ball Z, StreetFighter , whatever. Bruce himself said the size difference alone would be enough to beat him-against a HEAVYWEIGHT that could move as fast as him. These same fans still think the ‘Bruce Lee playing ping pong with nunchucks is real. That’s all u need to know how educated they are on real fighting. And on top of that the greatest punchers in history couldn’t knock out Ali. Bruce wouldn’t do it either. This isn’t even a debate. This is coming from someone that idolizes Bruce Lee. Pound for pound, total athlete, strategist, martial artist, movie star, philosopher, icon.
Ali disse em seu depoimento no livro O Kung Fu de Bruce Lee: "Morreu o único ser humano capaz de me vencer", então Bruce dizer q Ali o Mataria, nada quer dizer, apenas expressa admiração mútua. Ali era mto mais pesado, Bruce, mto mais completo e essa seria a primeira vez na vida q Ali se confrontaria com um oponente mais rápido, enquanto Bruce fazia Sparring com Bob Wall e Joe Lewis, mto mais pesados q ele. Aposto em Bruce.
The story is when he fought Wong Jack Man for the ability to teach Chinese martial arts to Westerners, he submitted him with grappling. No idea if this story is true, but I wouldn't be surprised. Either way, it is plausible that Bruce Lee could grapple with Ali. However, Ali did fight a Japanese wrestler much larger than Bruce and I'm not even sure Bruce could take Ali down to use the grappling because of his size and how evasive Ali has been known to be. Bruce Lee is excellent at covering distance though. The bottom line; I have no clue the fight never happened. My gut says Ali because he just needs to land one shot and Bruce has so much more that he has to do to win than Ali does.
I personally do not believe Bruce beat WJM. The whole story of how Bruce took too long to defeat Wong so he went out and learned boxing, ultimately to create JKD, is farcical to me. More likely is that WJM kicked Bruce's ass, after which, disillusioned, he went on to learn boxing and blended it with Wing Chun. This makes sense because as great as Wing Chun is, and it is great, it lacks mobility and its strikes are not as powerful as other fighting systems.
total bullshit and misinformation. Fight was over in less than 2 minutes and wasn’t much of a fight at all. Bruce spent most of that time chasing him around rooms. There were multiple people there to witness it also. Bruce lee didn’t need to grapple because of how good his mobility and footwork was. A years prior Bruce had a fight known as the YMCA fight which is very telling of his capabilities against a Japanese black belt in judo and karate called Yoichi Nagachi. You should read up about what Bruce did to that guy. Then make your own mind about what happened.
The answer to Bruce Lee vs any professional boxer, mixed martial artist, or kickboxer over 125 pounds is the professional fighter. Life is not a movie. Bruce didn't start practical martial arts training until just a few years before he died, after the Wong Jack Man incident. And during that time he was acting, writing, traveling, teaching, and being a husband and father. This myth that he had time to become some world class fighter is just pure fan indulgence. He hung out and trained with the likes of Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, and Judo Gene so I'm sure the guy could fight some but there's a difference between a celebrity training with fighters and being a fighter. Chuck Norris was closest to his size and even he would easily handle Bruce. Chuck was already a Judo black belt, Karate black belt, and Korean War veteran by the time he met Bruce.
Let’s do this, Muhammed Ali advantages: Heavier Taller More powerful Had a speed of a middleweight Great range control Was a outside fighter Longer reach Bruce Lee advantages: Better weapon arsenal Super fast Was lightweight Seeing these stats, I would say Bruce Lee probably has the same speed level as Muhammed Ali maybe even significantly higher than Muhammed Ali, now if Bruce got close enough to Ali he can chop up those legs with leg kicks which would make Ali unable to fight properly, however Ali was great with his range control and was a outside fighter which meant he would not let his opponents get close to him. Ali has a longer reach making him able to hit Bruce Lee more and Bruce would have to be strategic to get close to him. In my opinion Muhammed Ali wins, he was more powerful and is heavier and taller than Lee. He has great range control making it impossible for Lee to attack his legs as he would keep getting hit with those punches.
Ali wins like... 90% of the time (the 10% of the time being a pendulum hook kick to the beanbag). But people forget, Bruce also knew how to box (and ultimately studied Ali's footwork to incorporate into his own stuff), and trained grappling with Gene LeBell.
@@jagger_claw🤣 these guys are clowns. You can’t educate them. “Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” -Mark Twain
Another factor, not mentioned,in Ali’s favour is full contact combat experience. He is used to getting hit and has a very good chin. Bruce Lee was not. Maybe he had some experience taking shots during training, but traditional martial arts had a tendency to not have full contact sparring. That is one of the reasons traditional martial arts masters lose to mediocre mma fighters. They had no experience sparring, especially hard sparring. Mohamed was hit by some of the hardest punchers in the history of planet earth. He did not go down. He is not just some regular big guy. Bruce was a martial artist. Ali was a fighter. One can take an much harder headshot than the other, guaranteed.
As a BJJ guy who use to rely on my cardio and athleticism… one thing I learned after joining a couple LEGIT competitive gyms is that relying on the other dude “getting tired” isn’t always a thing. Like, Jeff Chan kinda dudes don’t really “get tired”. They DO, but yeah. Some dudes got a LOT of gas in the tank and know how to pace themselves etc.
I think it’s a far more interesting discussion than most people would give it credit for being, but at the end of the day I just think that Ali could take more punishment and last longer than Bruce in most scenarios.
Just a heads up Seth, Bruce didn’t do legs kicks. Primary targets are eyes, groin, kneecaps. JKD isn’t really about accumulative damage. No sport specific targets.
When you are smaller, the long range strikes like kicks become quicker. The nearest target for kicking is closer: opponent's knee instead of abdomen and thigh, and the liver and solar plexus are closer to shoulder height for punching reach. You're also moving less mass: change direction quicker, and spend less energy during the distance game, which can drag on as long as you want with no rounds or judge's scorecard. Ali would still easily win unless he goofed. Size is a big advantage, but not so huge as some people think. Especially in wide open spaces. I say this as someone who has learned the frustrations of sparring with highly skilled and athletic smaller guys.
The fact that Lee knows Judo and Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Ali knows how to punch and how to punch and how to punch and basically just how to punch means Lee might have a better chance than even he though. It was just last Sunday I watched a guy who is 5' 8'' leg sweep a guy who is 6' 4'' and completely change the dynamics of a sparring match. Stories of Jigaro Kano fighting sumo wrestlers also come to mind. Size does indeed matter, as everyone over six feet tall who likes to eat potato chips and post on the internet will remind you, but variety is also incredibly important. 60/40 Bruce.
Antonio Inoki was one of the greatest pro-wrestlers ever and a huge influence on martial arts in Japan. Read up on him and be ashamed you thought he was a kick boxer.
@@svensvensson2724 Just that it's no surprise he could be mistaken for a kickboxer by someone who just watched him throwing kicks. Seth should have done more research, of course, but it's not like Inoki was just some shmuck when it comes to throwing good kicks.
@@svensvensson2724 No but nonstop kicking Ali's legs throughout the whole fight makes a argument for him to be one. Also keep in mind, Inoki wasn't allowed to kick anywhere up the legs. Anyway this is just food for thought tbh.
I’m a huge Bruce Lee fan but he was still human and he was only 125 pounds when filming ETD. He was about 140 during the filming of Way of the Dragon. Ali would have smoked him 99 times out of a hundred. Ali was just as fast, fought the best fighters in the world, and had a massive height, reach and weight advantage. Bruce might gave gotten a finger jab once in a while but I don’t think he could’ve hurt Ali. If Joe Frazier needed 15 rounds to hurt Ali, realistically what chance would Bruce have?!
Most of the people commenting either don't actually watching boxing/MMA/kickboxing or are simply Lee cultists. Bruce himself literally said Ali would kill him in a real fight and they won't take his word for it. Embarrassing.
@@jw-nz2vx "To tell the truth I could beat anybody in the world, ofcourse if I sat still & your father hit me forget it. The question is could he ever get close to me" - Bruce Lee to John Tunney the son of Gene Tunney the undefeated heavyweight Boxing champion of the world [the source for the quote is the book 'Wrath of the Dragon' written by John Little]
13:10 oh damn, that 1st MMA fight Savate vs Sumo Is a shame that the sumo guy Lost that fast only After some Palm strike, i really Wish he could have done at least some headbutt or takedown Is even worst when you realize that people that don't know sumo , use that clip to show that "Sumo doesn't work" while in reality Sumo have a lot to offer as you have shown to us several time Seth. Justice for Sumo! (Why the hell, there Is no Sumo emoji???)
I’m a heavyweight, if I didn’t know how to defend leg attacks, a guy who weighs 140 could beat me. Knees are very vulnerable. Ali wouldn’t know the first thing about defending that.
I’m a big fan of both Bruce Lee and Muhammad Ali. Both were phenomenal athletes who revolutionized martial arts in their own ways which is why I have to be realistic and do them both justice. The “strikers chance” would give Bruce Lee a chance… but Ali would win 9 times out of 10 due to physical size, strength, experience fighting many 15 round boxing matches against a variety of opponents AND the fact that people forget that Ali himself was a highly skilled expert martial artist in his own right. All this is aside from one of Bruce Lee’s coworkers quoting Bruce outright stating that Ali would beat him.
Most likely, there is a strong possibility that Muhammad Ali could beat Bruce Lee. He was a big dude, fast for his size and even though he has his own share of defeats, he actually also has more wins than Floyd Mayweather, Jr. But remember, Bruce Lee was very strong for his small frame and blindingly fast. Who would win? I personally would’ve loved 2c a fight like that just to witness 2 legendary gladiators test their skill in the cage.
The size difference is just so big dude. If it was DJ then I would give him an alright chance cos he can easily out grapple a dude as big as Ali without any experience. He would just need to cover the distance and he's a smart guy. Bruce would probably be striking with Ali and the reach is so different. IMO it comes down to Ali arm Vs Lee leg reach. If Bruce can land kicks while being out punching range I think he has a chance. If the reach goes to Ali or is close Ali cleans his clock. This is all for if they were fighting in a big Baki/ kengan ashira style arena. In a boxing ring Lee wouldn't have the space he needs to not just get cornered and chinned
Also, you think Muhammad Ali Never saw a Bruce Lee movie? you think Ali dont know "Bruce be kicking folks"? He would know, and he would prepare for it. same as with his grappling. he would see the enter the dragon armbar, or grappling in bruce's other films, and he would hire a wrestling coach for the bruce lee fight. he probably did that when he went on WWE. Or after fighting Antonio Inoki under those ridiculous rules.
14:11 What's even crazier is that Ali fought in a time were the best boxers went 15 rounds, not the current 12. Either way, nobody would have gotten Ali tired with striking alone, especially prime Ali
1 well timed and well placed leg kick ,(without pads) can end a boxers career. bruce had exceptional speed power and accuracy. Weight dose def matter but not as much as some ppl think. Both of these fighters are great but I have to give it to Bruce. Yes Yanoki kicked him in the legs b4 but let's face it. Yanoki was a fake wrestler, not the world's father of mixed martial arts. Also that man was only allowed to kick Ali while he was on the ground?! Give me a break. Those kicks that Ali endured injured Ali's legs badly Ali even says so after the fight with Yanoki. So really think about what a master of kicks could of done to him while standing up and throwing that perfect sweet chin music directly to the knee cap or throat. the fight is over as fast as it begins.
In a boxing ring Ali turns Lee into a pink paste dripping into the first row of seats. In a MMA fight, Lee has some sort of a shot if he keeps his distance and snipes at Ali's legs and the occasional head/body kick to keep him honest. The problem is he'd have to avoid Ali's fists for at least 2 rounds and I just don't see that happening. If it did, though, a takedown is possible, but at a 90 lbs. disadvantage? Ground game is an equalizer... but it doesn't make fighters equal exactly. Wouldn't want to take that risk if I were Bruce, because closing with Ali's jab and uppercut would be like walking into a woodchipper, and I wouldn't be all that confident that Ali wouldn't react to a "clinch" with boxing "dirty tricks" that are perfectly fine in MMA. On the ground, though, Ali would be way out of his element, so might be a high risk/high reward option in later rounds once Ali's legs are banged up. I think he'd be better off keeping his distance the whole time. In a dojo/martial arts tournament, Lee wins on points. Ali still goes home with the girl, though, because he barely breaks a sweat watching Lee jump around. In a streetfight? Well, there's some unknowns. Ali didn't really do that. Lee thought about it a lot. I think that still looks more like an MMA fight, but if Lee has a whole street to move around in he could gain a lot of advantages. If they're in a telephone booth then Lee better call 911....
@@jagger_claw if by sport fighting you mean two people actually trying to hit and damage each other in real life rather than choreographed movie fighting then yes.
@@dorkangel1076No by "sport fighting" I mean two "players" trying to beat each other in a game with rules & regulations. "If you put on a glove you are dealing in rules, you must know the rules to survive but in the street you have more tools in your favor the kick, the throw, the punch." - Bruce Lee [To Ryan O'neel]
@@jagger_claw Still closer to “real” fighting than movie choreographed moves or light practise sparring. “Do not fear the man who has practiced 1000 different kicks. Fear the man who practiced one kick 1000 times” also Bruce Lee (and that one technique doesn’t have to be a kick).
@@dorkangel1076So you agree it's not real fighting.🤣 "I compiled recently going through all the interviews that I have done & the research I've done of his [Bruce] street record & he was 36-0..." - John Little "& when you are talking about combat well if it is a sport now you talking about something else; you have regulations & you have rules but when you are talking about fighting as it is, with no rules...well then baby you better train every part of your body" - Bruce Lee "The best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt on any style. He kicks too good for a Boxer, throws too good for a Karate man, and punches too good for a Judo man." - Bruce Lee You should have few techniques, as it is unrealistic to master 10000 of techniques but not so few that you are limited by it. Get it, a Boxer would try to punch in a situation where a kick would've been more appropriate. "One of the most important concepts that Bruce shared with me was that you could become a master of a few techniques, but never a lot. He felt that if you could define the elements of a fight and design techniques to directly overwhelm them, then you were developing the ultimate system." - James Demile "A few techniques well presented, an aim clearly seen, are better than a tangled maze of data whirling in disorganized educational chaos." - Bruce Lee
It’s like people don’t know Bruce sparred anyone of any size from any background, heavier, taller karate, judo, boxing, wrestling, hapkido, tae kwon do etc. It didn’t matter to him. Everything he did was geared towards survival. JKD was developed to circumvent style. To go beyond style. “We have the skeleton key to open other systems and styles, but they have no key to open ours." -James Yimm Lee (Oakland Jeet Kune Do Instructor)
@@MeatisfoodLook at you asking as if you care, at least 36. "I compiled recently going through all the interviews that I have done & the research I've done of his [Bruce] street record & he was 36-0...." - John Little
It was clear from the get go that the guy repin bruce saying hed dodge a bullet, these guys are mostly shooting the shit. Now if you wanted to look at how it might go, id say bruce gets a couple good kicks in. Keeps ali back a bit, because getting leg kicked is never fun no matter how big you are. Gets in a side kick or two maybe. That being said thats all that would probably happen before ali takes the advantage and decks bruce, stunning him, pushing him on the back foot, bruce shells up and getting walloped by ali's punches. Also another note, bruce has said ali would win (wish tarentino took that into account). Thats all the confirmation we need. Now whether he was being respectful for respectfulness sake, id say he didnt think he could win. We know how insightful bruce could be, and he probably knew he wouldnt be able to win in a fight
With Inoki vs Ali, yeah the whole rule change thing sucked for Inoki. I feel Iike if you had them fight 10 times in a row, heal up immediately between rounds, in an open space, no rules, Bruce Lee maybe takes one or two out of 10? Either via leg kicks or maybe a submission/ground and pound? Ali had no idea how to deal with kicks in that fight with Inoki and he was handicapped by not being able to kick normal.
Antonio Inoki is a pro wrestler who was trained in the shoot style. Well known wrestler in Japan and influenced pro wrestling quite a bit. It's a shame he was so scared to grapple due to fear of getting punched. Because he probably could have wrecked Ali.
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Lee himself said that Ali would have kill him in a fight
I respect Bruce, but Ali was truly a Beast!
mmmmmm yeah but fighters that aren't assholes are usually too humble to say "yeah I'd beat his ass."
Ali said that Tyson would knock him out, and Tyson to this day maintains that Ali would knock him out, so...
I dunno.
I think booce would beat ali.
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bruce also weighed 140 pounds to ali’s 236
Per usual, the first comment that comes up on my feed is the correct one. Lee went on record that Ali would win - that it would not even be a contest.
He did give himself a chance in a street fight where he could kick but yeah Lee said it wasn't much of a chance and compared their hand size to illustrate that point.
It's not verified that Bruce Lee actually said this. It's just hearsay of hearsay. This was what Robert Clouse (Enter the Dragon director) said in a book written many years after Lee's death that Bruce Lee said to Bolo Yeung (Bad muscled guy in Enter the Dragon) when he visited Bruce at Golden Harvest Studios. As Robert Clouse was a noted bs artist, the same guy who spread around a false rumor that Bruce Lee wanted to kill Bob Wall after an accident on set involving a glass bottle that cut Bruce's hand, and the fact that he just didn't like Bruce Lee very much, I take this particular claim with a pinch of salt.
Because he moved so fast, a lot of people forget how damn big Ali was.
Yeah. Imagine moving that fast at 160cm and 100kg. Getting hit by that is like getting hit by a goddamn train.
At the time, journalists mentioned a famous moment when they first saw Ali stand next to Sonny Liston... The idea was that Liston was the bigger stronger guy, and Ali was the skinny, pretty boxer... But then they met at the center of the ring to touch gloves, and everyone saw that the "skinny" Ali was not only taller but had comparably wide shoulders.
@@me0101001000who are you even talking about here😭
Right. On film you perceive him to be a lanky, fast guy but he was way bigger than the average person. 6'3, 225-230 lbs. He had pretty wide shoulders and thick muscular legs.
Some people don't want to admit that Ali would win purely due to the fact that he out weighs Bruce lee by a bunch. We have weight classes for a reason folks.
That's why i am bulking up (Just Need to eat at my grandma's house for a week 😅)
@@Baroxshitposter665 to the buffet XD
also the fact that Ali is FAST AS HELL compared to a small man, his punches+his feet are fast
his jab would reach Bruce Lee first before Lee can kick him
@@OliverOilsside kick actually beats jab in speed also Ali was only a boxer and thus doesn’t know how to handle a leg kick
@@user-ok7kz8ru2q Ali's footwork and side way stance could work in a kickboxing fight
plus Ali knows how to clinch and hold
that's a MASSIVE advantage in a fight, especially against someone smaller
Ali himself said that he had a school bully that he beat in a boxing match but said he'd probably get beaten by him in a real fight because his bully is bigger, stronger and can just wrestle him
If you want evidence that Ali's stance and footwork can work in a kickboxing fight, look up "Samart Payakaroon" highlights
Seth is about to be excommunicated from the church of Jeet Kune Do here!
Muhammad Ali was a black belt in taekwando
Hahaha you are right!
The funny thing about ali is that his career was spurred by Theft of his bike and ended by a burglary into his home, got him beat up and destroyed his self confidence, with this ended his career.
Seth has been excommunicated for years already 😂
@MOMOHAJI585 if you watch him rope a dope Foreman you'll see him use double knife hands. He would frame with the lead arm and trap one of Foreman's arms with his rear. Ramsey has made an excellent argument that double knife hands are a collar tie. The way Ali uses the double knife hand isn't far off from a collar tie.
The fact that the phrase "Taylor Swift's boyfriend" does not appear anywhere in the title or description of this video is perhaps the greatest demonstration of clickbait integrity I've ever seen
I didn't know Lee ever dated Taylor Swift.
I don't even understand your comment xD
@@Shrapnel82 Travis Kelce(one of the brothers in the video) is currently dating Taylor Swift
Small correction, Ali fought 15 rounds bouts.
Great catch! That was definitely a brutal time to have those 15 round bouts.
And he fought in a harsh environment, such as extreme heat in Rumble In The Jungle and warm & humid climate in "Thrills in Manila"
Eddie Hall vs Neffati Brothers is how I picture Bruce vs Ali
Man! So many people believed that Bruce Lee played ping-pong with nunchucks video. IT'S A NOKIA AD, you guys!
There is a glaring difference that a lot of people overlook, Ali was an elite championship level professional fighter. Bruce Lee was not.
Couple of notes:
1) Antonio Inoki was a pro wrestler
2) you mentioned Ali fought 12 rounds. Back in his day, they actually fought 15.
Other than that, love this video.
Pro wrestler as in WWE style?
@@cloudmaster182 yeah but the japanese were heavy into shoot style so a lot of jap. pro wrestlers were real catch wrestlers
@@cloudmaster182 Kind of. Yes, it was WWE style professional wrestling but in Japan in those days the style was more oriented to being an actual combat sport. They were pro wrestlers but they could actually fight and were trained by catch wrestlers like Karl Gotch and Lou Thesz.
I think 5'8 and 141lbs is pretty generous to Bruce.
Antonio Inoki is a pro wrestling legend, and the Ali vs. Inoki fight is an absolutely fascinating story, even though the match itself ended up being a farce. Definitely worth looking into and maybe even making a video out of it (?) if you can figure out a good way to do that.
Thank you. Didn’t want to have to type all that
Bruce studies how to combine hitting the groin, kicking the knees, combination punches to chin & gouges to the eyes if bruce use jujitsu on ali he would bite his ears off & crush alis balls whenever it is open
Bruce studies how to combine hitting the groin, kicking the knees, combination punches to chin & gouges to the eyes if bruce use jujitsu on ali he would bite his ears off & crush alis balls whenever it is open
@@Solomon-gc1hn Ernie Terrell threw LOTS of low blows towards Ali (the ref didn’t do his job) yet Ali wasn’t phased and proceeded to batter him
This. Ali didn't know how to take leg kicks, and probably wouldn't have known how to defend a takedown. If Li could kick him enough and then take him down, he could win. That assumes that Li could avoid Ali's far superior striking power.
"Tao is a random collection of some of Bruce's notes. No one can learn JKD from there. Even some of movie fight choreography made it into that book." - Thomas Marx [Original JKD Instructor]
Ali was just as fast as Bruce, trumps him with experience & power
French press is a pretty great way to make coffee quickly and easily. It's also an exercise, apparently.
😂 underrated comment
To anyone who questions this, you've gotta see Ali vs Liston and Ali vs Frazier and Ali vs Foreman.
Ali is a picture perfect athlete who's missing nearly no important attribute. He's not the strongest but he was knocking everyone out in his prime. He has sufficient power, and more than enough to beat Bruce Lee. He's a heavyweight, the most heavy weightclass there is. And also Ali has reflexes, footwork, defensive speed, offensive speed, stamina, chin, and heart.
Even in an unfavorable stylistic matchup, you cannot understate how much damage Ali is able to absorb. The only standout characteristic from Bruce Lee is that he can kick. If Ali fought someone who excelled in grappling, that'd be a different story. But someone who is very light and we just add kicking? That doesn't add much.
Above all else, Ali can be called a real fighter. He's been in the ring with people who had violent intentions and the actions that went with that.
Ali vs prime Tyson. That's would be a great fight!
Also for the fact that Ali was an out boxer and Tyson an in-fighter, i don't really could guess who will win
Seth just pointed out Lee was trained in Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Judo, and it doesn't matter how strong your chin is if you're getting choked.
@@christophernewton8474 Ali faught wrestlers and kickboxers leading up to his match with Antonio Inoki, he wasn't clueless about mixed martial arts - the match itself was a s#itshow but Ali's leadup work was no joke.
Bruce was a light weight that never fought a professional bout, or hardly competed in general. I love Bruce, but I'm not even sure if he could have beaten Inoki..
Sport is sport 🤷♂️ he wasn’t interested in it.
I’m a 5’7 150lb Asian guy who’s been training martial arts ever since I was a kid. As much as it sucks to say unless you have a MASSIVE skill gap, size is usually enough to get the job done.
100lb and one foot of height is a huge advantage. That’s like a college athlete fighting a middle school student.
Wait. Size isn't enough tho. A small trained fighter can absolutely beat a big untrained guy, no doubt.
But here we are talking about one of the greatest boxe champion of all times!
What martial arts have you been training in?
What matters more is weight, height will only give you range and it can be dealt easier than someone heavier.
Bruce himself said Ali would beat him. His best bet would be a kick to the you know what, a leg kick or a rear naked choke.
“Leg kick” lol. Bruce Lee didn’t attack “sport” targets. You aren’t stopping anyone that size with a leg kick. Waste of time.
Primary targets are eyes, groin, kneecaps. A hit to any of these places, no matter how big someone is, will stop them.
And if the leg is snapped. They will definitely be unable to fight.
Forget the weight class difference. Just the fact that Bruce Lee had virtually no professional fighting record, while Ali fought and beat all the heaviest hitters of his day should be enough for me to know where I put my money, even if they were the same weight.
Ali, because Ali was a world champ. Lee doesn't really have a record of fighting world class fighters.
“Fight record” lol. Because sport is somehow more legitimate than the guy coming out you with a weapon or 2 other friends. Right..
@@axelstone3131Ali would remove 3 average joes from earth
@@TheReal_GigaChad Ali never has a real fight. Calm down “gigachad”
@@axelstone3131you Bruce cultists need to sit down.
@@wambokodavid7109 you mma cultists and sport fanboys should start a “I hate Bruce Lee” fan club.
You should start a Bruce Lee hater club and invitee all the haters on here so you can all congregate and talk bullshit together about how much you hate a guy who did more and accomplished more than you ever will.
Ali was more skilled, battle tested and bigger. Bruce had zero chance.
Short answer: No.
Chinese: 不能
😂
To me it comes down to this, Bruce Lee was an actor who was skilled in Martial Arts,while Ali was not only alot bigger than Lee,but was also a Professional and conditioned combat athlete. So if I was going to bet (and I never do) I would put mine on the Professional.
& Musashi was a painter who was skilled in martial arts.🤭😆😂🤣
Bruce Lee was a martial artist who later became a martial arts action star when he went back to Hong Kong in 1971 and made movies for a year and a half*
There. I fixed it for you.
Also check out the sparring that Bruce Lee and Joey Orbillo had, who is a professional heavyweight boxer who dropped Ken Norton. Orbillo will tell you differently.
I think a more interesting debate would be: Muhammad Ali's body with Bruce Lee's skillset vs Bruce Lee's Body with Muhammad Ali's skillset?
Ali's body with Bruce's skillet 100% of the time. Bruce was way more skilled (or skilled in more things) but a lot smaller
@@cloudmaster182 yea there's no debate here
Definitely Ali with Lee's skillset. Imagine Ali landing a jumping head kick on Lee with the size difference.
Someone as big as Ali wouldn’t be able to move in the same way or have the same sort of speed that Bruce Lee had.
What Bruce could do, due to his weight and size, is far more impressive than anything Ali could do.
We are talking about a guy who was 5 ft 7 1/2 that could hit as hard as a heavyweight, move like an Olympic fencer and kicked like a horse.
There is less than 1% of guys his size and weight that has these sort of attributes. It’s incredibly rare. This is why there are so many naysayers about Bruce Lee. You just don’t see guys this size with these sort or attributes, you might see someone who is fast, or maybe hits hard, but not someone who has all of these qualities combined.
And he didn’t compete in sport, so you have to understand this is someone who training was geared completely for survival and not scoring points.
It’s a combination of things. Genetics and training like a fanatic 25/30 hours a week for years on end, training in such a way as to train the muscles used to execute the movement/technique more efficiently and explosively.
How Bruce Lee trained and what he did was very unorthodox, even by today’s standards.
@@axelstone3131 Muhammad Ali's movement was crazy. It's not "someone ali's size" it's ali. Idk if you've seen him box
Muhammad Ali was a professional fighter..nuff said.
As a Jeet Kune Do instructor and martial arts practitioner for over 30 years I can say that Muhammad Ali wins.
You don’t sound like a very good JKD instructor.
I agree with Seth's assessment, but Lee does have a chance if it's kickboxing in a pretty large ring. I'm still giving it to Ali 4 out of 5 times, though. He's not just a big boxer, he's one of the greats.
A fight like this already happened in the 70's. A catch wrestler fought Ali in shooto. He spent most of the time on his back, kicking Ali's legs and it ended in a draw. Grappling would be Bruce's best chance, and a well-rounded grappler couldn't get it done. A speed advantage is also a physical advantage though. Lawrence Kenshin has a vid about a Thai boxer who destroyed giants. One of the fights, both guys were doing the right thing. Thai fighter was throwing roundhouse to head, bigger guy anticipated it, started throwing an overhand right, before the thai guy started kicking, but he still didn't make it fast enough. He took the kick to the dome, with all the added momentum of his own punch, got KO'd. Bruce's chances would be higher than 0%, but to say higher than 50% is straight dellusion.
You by chance watch my video? Lol
What speed advantage? Go watch a Muhammad Ali fight. Nobody has a speed advantage on him.
@@senseisethreacts I watched about 10 seconds. You didn't put Subway Surfers in the background. I was a couple seconds away from the Inoki part when I commented. Came back and watched it all.
@@willwailes9298realest comment😭
Ali was not only larger, but he wasn't just some big *"Gym bro."*
He was a world class heavyweight boxer during a time where the fights would go on for 15 rounds; against other world class heavy weights.
He was big, indeed, but Ali was very fast with them hammers.
Weight classes exist for a reason
So do sentences. You are illiterate.
Because it’s sport and the goal of sport is to make the fight fair. Referee, rules, soft floors.
Fun fact: the twist in his weight exercise is doing those exercises fast as possible that's why most of the weight there seems "light"
And yes, he did those to make his movements faster
One was heavyweight champion of boxing, other was a movie star that's half his weight. So who do you figure would win?
How is this even a question, Bruce was a performer, Ali was an elite fighter, end of the story
& Musashi was a painter.🤣
@@jagger_claw and freaking samurai master?
@@Draconianoverlord55🤭😆😂🤣
Hey @senseisethreacts ! I think this was a really good dive into this classic matchup, I think it would be super cool if you reacted to this guy called Togo Ishii; he's like the only legit legit JKD guy i've seen on the internet, and his teacher was supposedly a disciple of bruce lee. He actually does real sparring in his videos as well as demos, dude is crazy fast and really shows the potential of JKD!
I was a freshman in high school for UFC 1, and also a new wrestler. My dad got the PPV and we watched the beginning. It was nuts to watch the sport evolve at the same time I did.
The BEST professional fighter at his peak vs an actor who is very good at martial arts.
It’s not close
Come on, Inoki, a kickboxer? Inoki was a Pro Wrestler and catch wrestler.
I mean against Ali?
Inoki turned into a masterclass low kicker 😂
@@wendigobanshe8904and that is because of the stupid rules against inoki, that event was heavily biased towards Ali.
Purely speculating here, but in a straight boxing match I 100% agree Ali takes it. And even in kickboxing/Muay Thai- style match 100lbs and 7 inches is a hell of a hurdle to overcome.
MMA I think the gap closes a little further. I could see Bruce Lee deciding to focus entirely on leg kicks, throws, and submissions in his training camp and catching Ali with something he's never seen before, BUT, I could also see Bruce declaring beforehand that he's going to knock Ali out with a kick or something equally wild, and then getting locked into a sub-optimal strategy.
Street fight I think might actually be Lee's best bet. As you pointed out, Lee would absolutely embrace the Dale Gribble mentality. He'd be biting, throwing things, picking up improvised weapons, using gymnastics and parkour BS to maneuver to high ground. And I think with his life at stake Lee would be less likely to showboat but Ali would be less likely to view a guy Lee's size as a serious threat.
If I had to go gambler's odds I'd give 30/1 in Ali's favor in a boxing match, 10/1 or 7/1 in a kickboxing match (depending on specific ruleset), somewhere between 5/1 and 2/1 for an MMA fight (depending on what kind of strategy the two of them implemented for their pre-fight training); and 1/1 in the street fight. Mostly because I see Bruce Lee as being more likely to shank somebody with a broken bottle than Muhammad Ali.
That makes sense. Bruce Lee grew up in a gang, street fighting. I doubt they were doing weigh-ins or anything before they squared up, so I doubt a size difference would be anything new to him. The main thing would be Ali's skill-set in that situation. Bruce may have faced skilled fighters, and he may have faced bigger guys. But how many times did he face someone that big AND that skilled?
Bruce wasn't a gymnast. He used doubles to perform such tricks in his movies. He couldn't even do a backflip.
@uldisparstrauts really, I know he did some of his stunts, but im aware he didn't do them all, he had doubles, some people don't seem to know that
Ali would take it with his combination of reach, power and agility.
The leg kicks are what make this interesting, but the weight difference is way too big.
It's difficult to say, purely because we've never seen Bruce fight outside of that sparring clip where it was clearly very light and prior to Bruce's main development as a Martial Artist. We've all heard of the sparring rumours and legends he was involved in too. Logically, I'd think the one with the greater skillset and options available to him (Lee) would win, but we can only guess. Ali was a hell of a fighter and mover, and the weight advantage would be a challenge that while less relevant in a street fight, still poses a problem.
If you wannna know how Lee actually trained & fought, checkout my playlist titled "JKD Dummies."
RIP Teila Tuli! I think the world would have preferred to say goodbye to Gerard Gordeau, but that’s life.
amen to that. FUCK Gerard Gordeau. Rest in Heaven Teila Tuli.
As a welterweight, I boxed against a cruiserweight once. We were both 6' tall and I had a reach advantage. For the majority of the first round, I was able to stay out of range and tag him repeatedly. Near the end of the round, he realized that there was literally no way for me to knock him out and just walked me down, and I saw a right hand that was coming over the top of my guard, and the next instant I experienced was standing back up. I don't remember him ever landing a single hit on me, but I had to stand back up multiple more times. That size difference is even bigger. Any time Cassius landed a punch, Bruce's soul would leave his body.
I had the same experience, only I was featherweight and the guy I sparred with was middleweight. He was only a few inches taller than me. Tagged him a few times in the first round because since I was lighter, I was faster. And then he finally decided to power through (I mean he was holding back), I only saw an over hand right at the last second and I was down. It only took one punch. I got hit by guys around my weight before, I can pretty much hold up. And I was knocked down by a guy my weight before as well, but being punched by someone way heavier was different. The world was literally spinning when I got hit.
In a ring but let’s make it ufc you would be fucked ground game your done
Although I do agree in your scenario, as you are both boxers, the only thing I will say is that as Bruce Lee did train mma, IF he did kick Ali in the legs it would be a long day for Ali. So it would be about who hits who first because realistically if Ali punched Bruce it would be a long day for him
(Talkin about boxing)
Well... depends. Generally speaking you're right.
But if the shorter guy is pretty strong, if he's fast in fighter with heavy punches things are way different.
Don't forget Tyson (and many others) has beat much taller and heavier boxer.
Bruce Lee, when asked if he could beat Muhammad Ali in a fight, supposedly had this to say: "Look at my hand... that's a little Chinese hand. He'd kill me."
Ali Vs Inoki is the 70's equivalent of BJJ memes today.
I think without gloves, no holds barred is Bruce Lee's best scenario and it's probably 40/60 for Bruce. The sheer size difference combined with the fact that Ali is WAY faster than a heavyweight has any right to be is a tough combination to overcome.
Still knockout power is a real thing and Bruce Lee is extremely fast. He can deliver a knuckle or a heel where it needs to be with incredible speed and timing. There's always a chance and that environment is as far from what Ali has been training for as possible (terrain, equipment, rules etc).
I think if pride had been around in the 70s Bruce Lee would have become famous for cleaning up the 145 division and revolutionized sports nutrition a decade or two earlier.
Just wanted to add that boxing gloves are a huge part of boxing; you have to change your guard, the fist you make and your distance/timing and all of that would shave away at alis advantage. Small things but depending on the scenario it all adds up.
Maybe some other big guy , but not Ali . No way Bruce Lee beat the heavyweight legend.
Mythical Lee can beat even a Elephant, but real Lee? nah
I could beat both of them using my secret ninja keyboard techniques
The most forbidden of all of the forbidden jutsu.
Haha I’ll bet your one of the x men..
I'm a self professed Bruce Lee fanboy, I'm 90/10 in favor of Ali. Bruce was fast, but so was Ali. Bruce was strong for his size, but Ali was bigger. Both had incredible endurance. Change their size to equal, odds go to 60/40 Ali. At the end of the day, Bruce Lee was a pioneer, but Ali was a professional fighter.
Have to give it to Bruce for being able to convince generations that he was somehow the best fighter on the planet despite having never actually fought once.
Thinking Lee could beat any professional fighter at any level is ridiculous. He was an actor and the only people to have ever vouched for his fighting prowess were other actors and or celebrities. People idolize and picture Bruce as this mythical being because that's what Hollywood does best. Bruce could probably beat up a regular Joe easy enough just through pure athleticism but I mean so could Seth. But anyone who thinks a 5"8 148 lbs man is giving a heavyweight champion boxer any kind of trouble is delusional beyond measure.
agreed
I think it could be a close fight...... if Ali had 10km run befor the fight and Lee brought two average Joe to tag team againt Ali
HELL NO Bruce Lee wouldn’t beat Muhammad Ali. Bruce Lee HIMSElF said that Ali would kill him. He’s been quoted on it. Bruce Lee was no fool. He was highly intelligent and a realist. The non martial artists that never fought combat sports and go on Movies NEVER ask how Bruce Lee would do against Duran , Sugar Ray Leonard, MannyPacquiao, …while we’re at it, Tommy Hearns, Marvin Hagler-or even At Heavy weight George Foreman, Holyfield,Frazier??? Those fans keep watching Dragon Ball Z, StreetFighter , whatever. Bruce himself said the size difference alone would be enough to beat him-against a HEAVYWEIGHT that could move as fast as him. These same fans still think the ‘Bruce Lee playing ping pong with nunchucks is real. That’s all u need to know how educated they are on real fighting. And on top of that the greatest punchers in history couldn’t knock out Ali. Bruce wouldn’t do it either. This isn’t even a debate. This is coming from someone that idolizes Bruce Lee. Pound for pound, total athlete, strategist, martial artist, movie star, philosopher, icon.
Ali disse em seu depoimento no livro O Kung Fu de Bruce Lee: "Morreu o único ser humano capaz de me vencer", então Bruce dizer q Ali o Mataria, nada quer dizer, apenas expressa admiração mútua. Ali era mto mais pesado, Bruce, mto mais completo e essa seria a primeira vez na vida q Ali se confrontaria com um oponente mais rápido, enquanto Bruce fazia Sparring com Bob Wall e Joe Lewis, mto mais pesados q ele. Aposto em Bruce.
The question is, are you talking about Bruce Lee or a Bruce Lee movie character vs Ali?
The story is when he fought Wong Jack Man for the ability to teach Chinese martial arts to Westerners, he submitted him with grappling. No idea if this story is true, but I wouldn't be surprised. Either way, it is plausible that Bruce Lee could grapple with Ali. However, Ali did fight a Japanese wrestler much larger than Bruce and I'm not even sure Bruce could take Ali down to use the grappling because of his size and how evasive Ali has been known to be. Bruce Lee is excellent at covering distance though. The bottom line; I have no clue the fight never happened. My gut says Ali because he just needs to land one shot and Bruce has so much more that he has to do to win than Ali does.
I personally do not believe Bruce beat WJM. The whole story of how Bruce took too long to defeat Wong so he went out and learned boxing, ultimately to create JKD, is farcical to me. More likely is that WJM kicked Bruce's ass, after which, disillusioned, he went on to learn boxing and blended it with Wing Chun. This makes sense because as great as Wing Chun is, and it is great, it lacks mobility and its strikes are not as powerful as other fighting systems.
total bullshit and misinformation. Fight was over in less than 2 minutes and wasn’t much of a fight at all. Bruce spent most of that time chasing him around rooms. There were multiple people there to witness it also.
Bruce lee didn’t need to grapple because of how good his mobility and footwork was.
A years prior Bruce had a fight known as the YMCA fight which is very telling of his capabilities against a Japanese black belt in judo and karate called Yoichi Nagachi.
You should read up about what Bruce did to that guy. Then make your own mind about what happened.
The answer to Bruce Lee vs any professional boxer, mixed martial artist, or kickboxer over 125 pounds is the professional fighter. Life is not a movie. Bruce didn't start practical martial arts training until just a few years before he died, after the Wong Jack Man incident. And during that time he was acting, writing, traveling, teaching, and being a husband and father. This myth that he had time to become some world class fighter is just pure fan indulgence. He hung out and trained with the likes of Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, and Judo Gene so I'm sure the guy could fight some but there's a difference between a celebrity training with fighters and being a fighter. Chuck Norris was closest to his size and even he would easily handle Bruce. Chuck was already a Judo black belt, Karate black belt, and Korean War veteran by the time he met Bruce.
Let’s do this,
Muhammed Ali advantages:
Heavier
Taller
More powerful
Had a speed of a middleweight
Great range control
Was a outside fighter
Longer reach
Bruce Lee advantages:
Better weapon arsenal
Super fast
Was lightweight
Seeing these stats, I would say Bruce Lee probably has the same speed level as Muhammed Ali maybe even significantly higher than Muhammed Ali, now if Bruce got close enough to Ali he can chop up those legs with leg kicks which would make Ali unable to fight properly, however Ali was great with his range control and was a outside fighter which meant he would not let his opponents get close to him. Ali has a longer reach making him able to hit Bruce Lee more and Bruce would have to be strategic to get close to him.
In my opinion Muhammed Ali wins, he was more powerful and is heavier and taller than Lee. He has great range control making it impossible for Lee to attack his legs as he would keep getting hit with those punches.
FYI, Kareem studied with Lee and knew Ali. Ask him.
Lew Alcindor told Ali how nasty bruce was. That's why Ali knows bruce would win
Ali wins like... 90% of the time (the 10% of the time being a pendulum hook kick to the beanbag). But people forget, Bruce also knew how to box (and ultimately studied Ali's footwork to incorporate into his own stuff), and trained grappling with Gene LeBell.
One was a movie star and the other a professional fighter… how is this still a debate 😂
One was an "efficient street fighter" & the other a "professional sport fighter..." there I fixed it for you.
@@jagger_claw🤣 these guys are clowns. You can’t educate them.
“Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience”
-Mark Twain
Another factor, not mentioned,in Ali’s favour is full contact combat experience. He is used to getting hit and has a very good chin. Bruce Lee was not. Maybe he had some experience taking shots during training, but traditional martial arts had a tendency to not have full contact sparring. That is one of the reasons traditional martial arts masters lose to mediocre mma fighters. They had no experience sparring, especially hard sparring. Mohamed was hit by some of the hardest punchers in the history of planet earth. He did not go down. He is not just some regular big guy. Bruce was a martial artist. Ali was a fighter. One can take an much harder headshot than the other, guaranteed.
This is why I love Muay Thai,a traditional martial yet has full contact sparring and matches
Again how many hits would Ali be able to take to his eyes,groin & kneecaps?
As a BJJ guy who use to rely on my cardio and athleticism… one thing I learned after joining a couple LEGIT competitive gyms is that relying on the other dude “getting tired” isn’t always a thing. Like, Jeff Chan kinda dudes don’t really “get tired”. They DO, but yeah. Some dudes got a LOT of gas in the tank and know how to pace themselves etc.
I think it’s a far more interesting discussion than most people would give it credit for being, but at the end of the day I just think that Ali could take more punishment and last longer than Bruce in most scenarios.
How much punishment would Ali be able to take to his eyes,groin & kneecaps?
@@jagger_claw likely more than Bruce…
@@BennyBigIronAgainst Bruce most likely no more than one strike.
"One motion & he's gone" - Bruce Lee
@@jagger_claw ur a special little guy aren’t ya😂
@@BennyBigIronMe special? Nah... Lee was special, very special in fact but most people have no clue.
Just a heads up Seth, Bruce didn’t do legs kicks. Primary targets are eyes, groin, kneecaps.
JKD isn’t really about accumulative damage. No sport specific targets.
In boxing, no. In a street fight, also no
When you are smaller, the long range strikes like kicks become quicker. The nearest target for kicking is closer: opponent's knee instead of abdomen and thigh, and the liver and solar plexus are closer to shoulder height for punching reach.
You're also moving less mass: change direction quicker, and spend less energy during the distance game, which can drag on as long as you want with no rounds or judge's scorecard.
Ali would still easily win unless he goofed. Size is a big advantage, but not so huge as some people think. Especially in wide open spaces. I say this as someone who has learned the frustrations of sparring with highly skilled and athletic smaller guys.
No disrespect intended to Mr. Lee but Ali boma ye.
I think if Bruce Lee got to the ground he could choke him, but I don’t think Bruce Lee could get it to the ground
When you take out a boxer's knee(s) - their mobility, It's not that difficult to get them to the ground.
@echelon2k8 can you show Bruce taking out a knee though 🤔
The fact that Lee knows Judo and Japanese Jiu Jitsu and Ali knows how to punch and how to punch and how to punch and basically just how to punch means Lee might have a better chance than even he though.
It was just last Sunday I watched a guy who is 5' 8'' leg sweep a guy who is 6' 4'' and completely change the dynamics of a sparring match.
Stories of Jigaro Kano fighting sumo wrestlers also come to mind. Size does indeed matter, as everyone over six feet tall who likes to eat potato chips and post on the internet will remind you, but variety is also incredibly important.
60/40 Bruce.
Antonio Inoki was one of the greatest pro-wrestlers ever and a huge influence on martial arts in Japan.
Read up on him and be ashamed you thought he was a kick boxer.
He wasn't a kickboxer, but he was a longtime karateka in addition to his more famous pursuits in amateur and pro wrestling as well as Judo.
@@jw-nz2vx And he was a politician. What's your point?
@@svensvensson2724 Just that it's no surprise he could be mistaken for a kickboxer by someone who just watched him throwing kicks. Seth should have done more research, of course, but it's not like Inoki was just some shmuck when it comes to throwing good kicks.
@@jw-nz2vx Throwing yourself on the ground is a kickboxer move now?
@@svensvensson2724 No but nonstop kicking Ali's legs throughout the whole fight makes a argument for him to be one.
Also keep in mind, Inoki wasn't allowed to kick anywhere up the legs.
Anyway this is just food for thought tbh.
I’m a huge Bruce Lee fan but he was still human and he was only 125 pounds when filming ETD. He was about 140 during the filming of Way of the Dragon. Ali would have smoked him 99 times out of a hundred. Ali was just as fast, fought the best fighters in the world, and had a massive height, reach and weight advantage. Bruce might gave gotten a finger jab once in a while but I don’t think he could’ve hurt Ali. If Joe Frazier needed 15 rounds to hurt Ali, realistically what chance would Bruce have?!
Most of the people commenting either don't actually watching boxing/MMA/kickboxing or are simply Lee cultists. Bruce himself literally said Ali would kill him in a real fight and they won't take his word for it. Embarrassing.
@@jw-nz2vx
"To tell the truth I could beat anybody in the world, ofcourse if I sat still & your father hit me forget it. The question is could he ever get close to me" - Bruce Lee to John Tunney the son of Gene Tunney the undefeated heavyweight Boxing champion of the world [the source for the quote is the book 'Wrath of the Dragon' written by John Little]
13:10 oh damn, that 1st MMA fight Savate vs Sumo
Is a shame that the sumo guy Lost that fast only After some Palm strike, i really Wish he could have done at least some headbutt or takedown
Is even worst when you realize that people that don't know sumo , use that clip to show that "Sumo doesn't work" while in reality Sumo have a lot to offer as you have shown to us several time Seth.
Justice for Sumo! (Why the hell, there Is no Sumo emoji???)
I’m a heavyweight, if I didn’t know how to defend leg attacks, a guy who weighs 140 could beat me. Knees are very vulnerable. Ali wouldn’t know the first thing about defending that.
I’m a big fan of both Bruce Lee and Muhammad Ali. Both were phenomenal athletes who revolutionized martial arts in their own ways which is why I have to be realistic and do them both justice.
The “strikers chance” would give Bruce Lee a chance… but Ali would win 9 times out of 10 due to physical size, strength, experience fighting many 15 round boxing matches against a variety of opponents AND the fact that people forget that Ali himself was a highly skilled expert martial artist in his own right.
All this is aside from one of Bruce Lee’s coworkers quoting Bruce outright stating that Ali would beat him.
This video should have been 30 seconds long
Most likely, there is a strong possibility that Muhammad Ali could beat Bruce Lee. He was a big dude, fast for his size and even though he has his own share of defeats, he actually also has more wins than Floyd Mayweather, Jr. But remember, Bruce Lee was very strong for his small frame and blindingly fast. Who would win? I personally would’ve loved 2c a fight like that just to witness 2 legendary gladiators test their skill in the cage.
Antonio Inoki was a Japanese Pro Wrestler. He did catch and shoot wrestling, and probably did Judo or real wrestling in highschool.
If we're talking all in .. kicking is a game-changer plus 1 punch can take anyone out.
It would be interesting.
We don’t know how well Lee could use a kick in a fight!
The size difference is just so big dude. If it was DJ then I would give him an alright chance cos he can easily out grapple a dude as big as Ali without any experience. He would just need to cover the distance and he's a smart guy.
Bruce would probably be striking with Ali and the reach is so different. IMO it comes down to Ali arm Vs Lee leg reach. If Bruce can land kicks while being out punching range I think he has a chance. If the reach goes to Ali or is close Ali cleans his clock.
This is all for if they were fighting in a big Baki/ kengan ashira style arena. In a boxing ring Lee wouldn't have the space he needs to not just get cornered and chinned
I imagine if both fights had time to practice beforehand. Both would try to learn to deal with each other's strengths.
Its very weird to think that i watch almost all of your videos to where i feel like i know you, but you dont know that i exist, very odd
Parasocial relationship
That's a parasocial relationship and can become very dangerous. I'd recommend introspecting on it some.
Also, you think Muhammad Ali Never saw a Bruce Lee movie?
you think Ali dont know "Bruce be kicking folks"?
He would know, and he would prepare for it. same as with his grappling. he would see the enter the dragon armbar, or grappling in bruce's other films, and he would hire a wrestling coach for the bruce lee fight. he probably did that when he went on WWE. Or after fighting Antonio Inoki under those ridiculous rules.
14:11 What's even crazier is that Ali fought in a time were the best boxers went 15 rounds, not the current 12.
Either way, nobody would have gotten Ali tired with striking alone, especially prime Ali
1 well timed and well placed leg kick ,(without pads) can end a boxers career. bruce had exceptional speed power and accuracy. Weight dose def matter but not as much as some ppl think. Both of these fighters are great but I have to give it to Bruce. Yes Yanoki kicked him in the legs b4 but let's face it. Yanoki was a fake wrestler, not the world's father of mixed martial arts. Also that man was only allowed to kick Ali while he was on the ground?! Give me a break. Those kicks that Ali endured injured Ali's legs badly Ali even says so after the fight with Yanoki. So really think about what a master of kicks could of done to him while standing up and throwing that perfect sweet chin music directly to the knee cap or throat. the fight is over as fast as it begins.
ali took multiple leg kicks from a far larger man and still stood, then you have bruce who weighs significantly less and is far shorter
How do u give it to Bruce? Just because Bruce could kick doesn’t mean he could beat Ali. This is a silly discussion!
Ali would smash Bruce up!
Bro Bruce Lee def got the skills but doesn’t have the training. Cmon guys!
In a boxing ring Ali turns Lee into a pink paste dripping into the first row of seats. In a MMA fight, Lee has some sort of a shot if he keeps his distance and snipes at Ali's legs and the occasional head/body kick to keep him honest. The problem is he'd have to avoid Ali's fists for at least 2 rounds and I just don't see that happening. If it did, though, a takedown is possible, but at a 90 lbs. disadvantage? Ground game is an equalizer... but it doesn't make fighters equal exactly. Wouldn't want to take that risk if I were Bruce, because closing with Ali's jab and uppercut would be like walking into a woodchipper, and I wouldn't be all that confident that Ali wouldn't react to a "clinch" with boxing "dirty tricks" that are perfectly fine in MMA. On the ground, though, Ali would be way out of his element, so might be a high risk/high reward option in later rounds once Ali's legs are banged up. I think he'd be better off keeping his distance the whole time. In a dojo/martial arts tournament, Lee wins on points. Ali still goes home with the girl, though, because he barely breaks a sweat watching Lee jump around. In a streetfight? Well, there's some unknowns. Ali didn't really do that. Lee thought about it a lot. I think that still looks more like an MMA fight, but if Lee has a whole street to move around in he could gain a lot of advantages. If they're in a telephone booth then Lee better call 911....
Who would win if Seth fought the Kelce brothers - tag team style.
One guy seemed to be arguing based on actual fighting while the other seemed to base his argument on what he saw in movies or on TH-cam.
By actual fighting you mean sport fighting right?
@@jagger_claw if by sport fighting you mean two people actually trying to hit and damage each other in real life rather than choreographed movie fighting then yes.
@@dorkangel1076No by "sport fighting" I mean two "players" trying to beat each other in a game with rules & regulations.
"If you put on a glove you are dealing in rules, you must know the rules to survive but in the street you have more tools in your favor the kick, the throw, the punch." - Bruce Lee [To Ryan O'neel]
@@jagger_claw Still closer to “real” fighting than movie choreographed moves or light practise sparring. “Do not fear the man who has practiced 1000 different kicks. Fear the man who practiced one kick 1000 times” also Bruce Lee (and that one technique doesn’t have to be a kick).
@@dorkangel1076So you agree it's not real fighting.🤣
"I compiled recently going through all the interviews that I have done & the research I've done of his [Bruce] street record & he was 36-0..." - John Little
"& when you are talking about combat well if it is a sport now you talking about something else; you have regulations & you have rules but when you are talking about fighting as it is, with no rules...well then baby you better train every part of your body" - Bruce Lee
"The best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt on any style. He kicks too good for a Boxer, throws too good for a Karate man, and punches too good for a Judo man." - Bruce Lee
You should have few techniques, as it is unrealistic to master 10000 of techniques but not so few that you are limited by it. Get it, a Boxer would try to punch in a situation where a kick would've been more appropriate.
"One of the most important concepts that Bruce shared with me was that you could become a master of a few techniques, but never a lot. He felt that if you could define the elements of a fight and design techniques to directly overwhelm them, then you were developing the ultimate system." - James Demile
"A few techniques well presented, an aim clearly seen, are better than a tangled maze of data whirling in disorganized educational chaos." - Bruce Lee
Where can I get that bruce lee book
It’s like people don’t know Bruce sparred anyone of any size from any background, heavier, taller karate, judo, boxing, wrestling, hapkido, tae kwon do etc. It didn’t matter to him.
Everything he did was geared towards survival.
JKD was developed to circumvent style. To go beyond style.
“We have the skeleton key to open other systems and styles, but they have no key to open ours."
-James Yimm Lee (Oakland Jeet Kune Do Instructor)
True Lee didn't train to beat styles, he trained to beat human beings. Human beings with two arms,two legs,eyes,groin & kneecaps etc....
@@jagger_claw 👍🏻
@@jagger_claw Could you remind me, how many human beings did he beat?
@@MeatisfoodLook at you asking as if you care, at least 36.
"I compiled recently going through all the interviews that I have done & the research I've done of his [Bruce] street record & he was 36-0...." - John Little
@@jagger_claw Did any of those 72 eyes or kneecaps survive?
It was clear from the get go that the guy repin bruce saying hed dodge a bullet, these guys are mostly shooting the shit.
Now if you wanted to look at how it might go, id say bruce gets a couple good kicks in. Keeps ali back a bit, because getting leg kicked is never fun no matter how big you are. Gets in a side kick or two maybe. That being said thats all that would probably happen before ali takes the advantage and decks bruce, stunning him, pushing him on the back foot, bruce shells up and getting walloped by ali's punches.
Also another note, bruce has said ali would win (wish tarentino took that into account). Thats all the confirmation we need. Now whether he was being respectful for respectfulness sake, id say he didnt think he could win. We know how insightful bruce could be, and he probably knew he wouldnt be able to win in a fight
Ali would smoke him.
Highly unlikely.
Inoki was able to keep Ali away with kicks, although he mostly stayed on the ground the whole time. He was also a similar size to Ali.
Ali was a trained heavyweight shoot fighter.
Bruce Lee was none of those things.
With Inoki vs Ali, yeah the whole rule change thing sucked for Inoki.
I feel Iike if you had them fight 10 times in a row, heal up immediately between rounds, in an open space, no rules, Bruce Lee maybe takes one or two out of 10? Either via leg kicks or maybe a submission/ground and pound? Ali had no idea how to deal with kicks in that fight with Inoki and he was handicapped by not being able to kick normal.
Would depend on rules... In a taekwondo fight i would bet on lee, in a boxing one i qould bet on ali
As someone who does bjj i think if bruce somehow took it to the ground it could be a game changer
Antonio Inoki is a pro wrestler who was trained in the shoot style. Well known wrestler in Japan and influenced pro wrestling quite a bit.
It's a shame he was so scared to grapple due to fear of getting punched. Because he probably could have wrecked Ali.