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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 พ.ค. 2024
- I made this video to draw up comparisons with other 3rd party lens guard choices that I went through due to my first sticky lens guards constantly fogging up and ruining my footage. I also tried finding a way to install the lens guards without fogging and tried to compare it with the 3rd party lens guards/protectors. This video will run you though my experiences with all of the products I bought.
Lens Protectors used in this video
- $6 lens Protector : shopee.sg/Transparent-Lens-Co...
- $20 lens Protector : www.lazada.sg/products/i27637...
- Sticky Lens Guard : store.insta360.com/product/x3...
Contents of Video:
00:00 Insta 360 Fogging Problems
00:30 Two main Questions
00:46 Sticky Lens Guard Alternatives
01:33 Day Comparison - No Lens Guards - Front
01:51 Day Comparison - No Lens Guards - Side
02:01 Day Comparison - $6 Lens Protector - Front
02:16 Day Comparison - $6 Lens Protector - Side
02:32 Day Comparison - $20 Lens Protector - Front
02:52 Day Comparison - $20 Lens Protector - Side
03:01 Day Comparison - Sticky Lens Guards - Front
03:17 Day Comparison - Sticky Lens Guards - Side
03:31 Day Comparison Side By Side - Conclusions
04:08 Night Comparison - No Lens Guards - Front
04:21 Night Comparison - No Lens Guards - Side
04:36 Night Comparison - $6 Lens Protector - Front
04:53 Night Comparison - $6 Lens Protector - Side
05:05 Night Comparison - $20 Lens Protector - Front
05:17 Night Comparison - $20 Lens Protector - Side
05:28 Night Comparison - Sticky Lens Guards - Front
05:47 Night Comparison - Sticky Lens Guards - Side
05:55 Night Comparison Side By Side - Conclusions
06:51 How to install Sticky Lens Guard Without Fogging
07:56 Post Installation footage - Bright Weather
08:45 Post Installation footage - Rainy and Cold Weather
10:14 Conclusions and Final thoughts
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Thanks for all the effort in doing this. I am also a SG rider who uses the X3 and went through your frustrations. I noticed that the fogging occurs usually after the X3 records for some time and heats up, causing condensation on the lens guard which is at a much lower temperature comparitively. So in addition to applying the sticky lens guard in a dehumidified room (with dehumidifier running for a few hours), I also turned on the X3 in recording mode for about 30 minutes to get the X3 as hot as possible during application. Hopefully this somehow vents out the moist air near the X3 lens during application and this also may have something to do with the dew point of the air trapped in between the lens and lens guard but I'm not an expert in the physics of it.
Hey no problem, glad you enjoyed the video.
I'm guessing that because of how humid our weather is we can't really get the humidity to a low enough level that the temperature required to cause condensation due to pressure is high.
I'm a little rusty in my physics but in theory PV=nRT , Volume of water in the air itself is constant, n and R are also "constant" so as temperature increases , P (pressure) increases as well. And with greater pressure means that the water molecules inside the confined space are more likely to collide with one another so they will eventually condense somewhere. At least thats why I think when the weather is hot enough, it will fog. But so far I haven't had that issue (or its been really rare)
Take my science with a huge pinch of salt, I wasn't very good at thermodynamics XD
@@EigenMoto any difference if we fit the lens on first. then turn on the camera + recording for 30 mins in the sealed container with the desiccant beads?
Thanks for all the effort you put into this comparison.
Thanks! I like to ensure that my own experiments confirm my own hypotheses, this is a merely a result of that haha!
kudos to the hardwork and effort for the detailed comparison. Appreciate it, thank you
No problem! Thanks for your kind words :)
Thanks for the effort and for making it so interesting content. Totally worth it!!! Gives me the confidence to use a lens protector for my X3👍
No problamo!
Thanks for efforts now I understand why it was fogging . Will try to reinstall using silica gel if it appears again .
Excellent video, well researched, short and to the point. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks :) Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks for all the effort you put into this video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Finally .. local video content.. thanks is helps a lot
No problem! Glad you enjoyed it :)
thanks man for the hard work. this happen to DJI action 4 too. in humid condition it will make foggy footage.
Haha actually I use the Action 4 a lot and have yet to have fogging issues. when does it fog up for you?
thanks so much for your video! i was contemplating between removing the lens guard vs making do with foggy footages until i came across your video and decided to give your method of installing a try. i copied your steps completely - placed X3 and protectors (i peeled back the blue sticker backing a little just to ensure that there's no moisture trapped inside) in a container with desiccant (i left them in for 1 whole day) and improvised a little by doing the installation in my room which I have a dehumidifier switched on and the humidity in the room was at 47% when i did the installation (also w face mask on so that no risk of blowing moist air in).
long story short, my 1hour+ of recording today and totally no fogging. (previously fogging starts barely 10mins in).
your video should be used as Insta360's official installation guide for its X3 lens guards 😂
Haha, yeah. You can take it another level up by spraying anti fog into the lens guard before applying, but at the moment, the method in my video has worked for me in 95% of my recordings so far. (there are still some moments where it might fog, but its so little and the situations where it does are very extreme, ie very very hot afternoons)
thanks for this valuable guide video :) Awesome!!
No problem, glad that it helped!
Thanks much. Very helpful video
No problem! I put this out there because I was struggling with this issue as well and can't really find any good resources on this issue!
Good video. The only other thing I would've recommended was to wipe down the lens guard and the lens of the insta360 with anti-fogging spray used for glasses before installing them in a humid condition. But as you said "it's a pain in the a..."
This was actually my next level of action I would take if it still fogged, but so far I think it hasnt severely affected any of my clips so I'll leave it on till next time. I do have the anti fogging spray ready at my side haha!
I went with the lens protector from Insta360 since the neoprene guard fits over it. Some fogging issues when snowboarding, when the camera goes from my warm pocket into the cold air. After a while the fog goes away as the camera temperature starts to match the air temperature. Would still prefer lens protection, even with slight fogging, as opposed to junking the lenses on the expensive Insta360. Nice video btw. 🤘😎
Yeah thats my thought too. So far fogging has occurred rarely for me so this is a reasonable tradeoff for me as well. I'll remember to get the extended warranty on the next 360 cam I buy haha
Wow, nice work.
Thank you! Cheers!
Great video - thanks!
Glad you liked it!
thank you for doing the lens comparison. i got the cheapo 3rd party lens guard free from the bundle I bought from a shop. the stitching line was obvious like your cheap SDG6 lens protector. i thought the official insta360 lens guard would behave the same since it looks pretty much the same to me. but you have proven my assumption wrong. thank you.
oh...btw, i assume you enabled the lens guard option in the setting for this testing.
but the process of de-humidifying the lens and room before applying looks kinda too troublesome for me....
Yes. Tbh the $20 one is fine in the day, but the night footage gets muddled up pretty bad. I've ran the tests with the seam correction enabled on all 3 as well and the 2 cheaper options still have seams in the footage.
I think the best is still if insta360 comes up with a new changeable lens like the Osmo Action 4 (you can swap out the lens easily if it breaks)
nice, now i know which lens guard i want to get. and what to do to install the sticky lens.
btw ever tried combining the Sticky and the 20 dollar lens guard.
like just in case of a drop to the floor.
its not for motoring, im buying one for a hiking trip in near future.
It wont fit. The sticky lens guards are actually bigger than the $20 lens guards. Also the $20 lens guards are quite a tight fit already so there's no way you can put something else in between.
@@EigenMoto that's nice to know.
but at least those opaque silicone caps would fit over them, right?
@@eisenklad You're talking about the silicone cover that comes with the adventure kit right? Yeah that still goes over the camera, The neoprene cover also fits with the sticky lens protector.
Thank you for taking the time and effort to make the video. However, what was the humidity rating on the day that the X3 fogged up and also the humidity rating on the day that you tested the X3 with the Insta360 lens guards? This would be very important really see the results of the comparison.
Hmm, in Singapore, humidity does not fluctuate that much. We sit around 70-80 on normal days, maybe going up to 90+ on rainy days generally, so its just super humid all the time!
@eigenmoto this is so good i was looking for the same , let me tell you my experience with 6 dollars lens guard i had the same issue with sticting lens and foggy videos but i reached out to insta 360 customer care they told to turn on lens guard option but still i am unable to resolve this issue do you have any suggestions please
I think I can only suggest going for a third party sticky lens guard (and risk the fogging) or just forgo the lens guards altogether. The 6 dollar lens guard is really horrible unfortunately and I've tried all sorts of configurations to get rid of the seams.
Nice video although we don't have much problems with humidity in the UK
Yeah I’m so envious of that… the trade off we get is that we don’t have a winter season so we can ride anytime… but it’s always so stupidly hot here haha!
HaHa stupidly hot would be welcome here at the moment. I have the Insta360 Premium Lens Guards on my X2 but they don't fit the X3 and I don't think Insta360 released a X3 version. Thanks for the video I will continue using the stick on guards on my X3 as the resulting difference to no guard is barely perceivable as demonstrated in your video. @@EigenMoto
Hi Eigen, Nice video bro! How's the sticky lens guard now? It is still holding up to fogging?
Actually so far no fogging. I have a motovlog coming out later today that has some clips and my tricity review has a lot of clips using the 360.
Ive recently done a re-installation to clean out the lenses (I had 1 piece of dirt inside) and theres still no fogging
Hi, thanks for your great video of different lens comparison. I'm from Malaysia using Insta360 original lens guards, so far so good no fogging issue.
Thanks for the video! I’ve been following the lens guard discussion for a while now and tested the insta360 ones, and I’ve come to the conclusion that lens guards aren’t worth it. I’ve seen so many people complain about it and getting unusable footage on facebook groups. So I decided to not use lens guards anymore as they affect the video quality in certain situations. I know it’s not a common decision and I got a lot of criticism for it, but if you want the best quality video, lens guards are no option. I’ve also read the comments here and it seems like your problem still occurs randomly? I would like to see more of your experience. Thanks!
Hey man! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! No I don’t think its a controversial opinion to not get the lens protector. In fact I did try to get a refund for the first set I got because of how ineffective it was. I muddled up on signing up for the warranty so I can’t rely on support for replacements so I have to go with the protector on my end.
Yes there is some fogging but so far, It has not ruined any of my footages so far for my motovlogs (ep 3 & 4 were taken after the re-installation) So Ive decided to keep it on. So far I think it only happens after using it in the rain which could mean that water is getting in through the porous sticky material. I placed it in the dry box after use every time now and it’s been good so far.
EigenMoto how has it been since last you posted the video? Any fogging occurred on the sticky lens guard? Been on the fence to either buy them or not....
So far it has occurred one time albeit not as severe as the one in the video. I havent been recording much this week but Im putting out a new vid soon that I reviewed. has been ok so far.
Honestly I think the best is to go for the warranty and forgo the lens guard.
You are the best
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Great video! Have you experienced any fogging till now?
Yes so far under one extreme scenario, It was raining and suddenly it got very hot (sun shining, super humid). The fogging was intermittent though. Ie I had to check the footage and I saw a bit of blurriness.
I see, thanks a lot for the reply!@@EigenMoto
nice!
Mine got fogged up after my last beach dip. Replaced it a night before the event and all was good. On the day of the event, fogged up. Took it out during the event to film.
You can purchase a Hygrometer fairly cheap. Many smart thermostats have these built in. You can monitor humidity prior to installation of your sticky lens. Ideally you want a humidity under 20% up around 30% and above you’re going to have a great deal of humidity trapped.
Ah, let me go check that out. might be a better solution to dessicants I guess!
I just bought insta360 x3 a day ago and noticed that its heat a alot. my room temp is around 30C. Sd card i am using is sandisk extreme V30 A2 128. Any suggestions...?
I think the camera usually runs pretty hot. If you're concerned about it you can lower the framerate/resolution...
Can you make a video for insta 360X3 settings. I am not using my insta 360X3 due to low quality.
Low quality in what sense? Hmm I didnt really tweak much for my insta360. I just run it at 4K resolution at 60fps. With the lens guards I switch on the guard stitching mode in the options
@@EigenMoto in low light. 4K resolution at 60 fps? In mobile app or desktop app studio? 🤔
on the camera
Great info. IMHO I don't like 90% of MY insta360_X3 footage (no lens cover) compared to action cams like the DJI Osmo Action 4. (delete most X3 stuff due to low quality blur) I see you have a forward facing Action 4 on helmet, maybe install the X3 on back of helmet or rear of bike so your body protects the camera from flying debris. Would like to sell my X3 but keep hoping to find a use for it after spending 2X the cost vs DJI Action 4. X3 disappointment is the reason I didn't buy the insta360 Ace Pro. Not sure I will buy another insta360 product due to the X3 disappointment. PS: You can hyper lapse the Action 4 clips and that is generally the only time you see insta360 footage being used because it's such low quality. Thank you
Yeah, I know what you mean. I've been on the fence a little on the Insta360 Go 3 as I really love the form factor but the ability to protect the cameras are a little lacking and that's kinda holding me back from buying more Insta360 stuff. I think if they do improve, I might definitely reconsider though.
I have a brand new sealed camera. Do I have to put the camera in dry container before installation too?
I think if you live in a humid environment then yes. the moisture will be everywhere regardless
@@EigenMoto singaporean as well. Okay I followed your advice and installed successfully. Tried blowing hot air with my mouth onto the lens guard and seems like the mist is gone. Thanks
If it sealed than it should be fine,maybe heat it up with a hairdryer to evaporate moisture. Don’t burn it though
I think the adhesive fixing is too porous & can let moisture in, if those lens guards were sealed with say silicone caulking it would be air-tight. When you install double glazed windows, you don’t see those misting up in between the glass.
My mini 3 pro fogs up if I fly after it has rained, I keep it in humidity cabinet until I want to fly then wait until it’s climatized itself.
I live in Thailand and maybe worse humidity than Singapore
Hmm I actually suspected that as well. I will need to really test it out. So far I've only gotten fogging once since my re-installation and wasnt as common as the last time I tried. It happened after it rained and the sun was blazingly hot afterwards. Now I keep the camera in a dry box when I'm not using it.
My question is , do you really need any guard ? I have sticky lens and used them for around 1M , but actually they never saved my camera from anything as am im trying to just be careful and they just make the footage quality worse. In what conditions are they recommended , for example in water or sandy enviroment or snow mountains or any rocky terrain ?
You have an extremely high risk scratching the lens itself on road, by sand, dust or other particles smashing through with speed and wind
I would say in my experience so far. Most sports that may have you falling off is good reason to have a lens guard.
Take my use case of motorcycling. I have rocks and pebbles hitting my vehicle all the time. I already have scratches on my helmets and bike (surface level stuff ) but these rocks couldve easily hit the 360 cam as well.
For my Osmo Action 4 its not a huge issue as I have spare lenses to change out with but for the insta 360 I can't change them out without getting a whole new device.
never used a protective lens...I prefer to risk ruining them but always have the highest quality
yeah, I might opt to do that eventually. and just hope the x4 has changeable lenses
I’ve never had fogging problems. Maybe there is a leak. Can try with the spare adhesive given. But FYI best view is without lens guard. So either sacrifice video stitching or lens safety imho
Wah, then you damn lucky. U use the sticky lens guard too? Tbh the sticky lens guard the quality still not too bad so I just keep it on for peace of mind. My friend alr broke his while skating haha.
It’s scratched so I removed. I have another set ready of sticky lens and lens guard but my stitching line is rather obvious. Yours is really seamless 👍👍 maybe I’ll try again.
@@rridersgarage Yeah not sure if its cuss I buy direct from Insta360 or its some new design. I never tried the 3rd party ones on lazada before. But if I do scratch these ones I will give it a shot
Be aware, the two lens guards are different for front and back. They are glued on the housing of the camera and the curvature of the housing is slightly different for the front and the back. Can be, the stich line is more visible when you mount the front lens guard on the back side (and the back on the front). I have fogging problems when the camera becomes warmer than the outside air. Doesnˋt matter if itˋs raining or not. There must be already moisture in the camera! So drying the camera in a container with silica gel is very good idea!
Even before I got to deal with any fogging issues, I noticed they messed with the stitching horribly. They came off as soon as they went on.
Yeah, I read in places that some people have this issue. did you remember to switch on the lens stitching mode?
@@EigenMoto Yes. Didn’t help much.
My problem is that My insta 360x3 doesnt turn on. The battery works but it doesnt turn on. I tried everything but it is not enough.
Unfortunately I can't help you here. You might want to contact the insta360 support for this!
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I hope theycmake lens gaurd cheaper not overpriced for not having a removable glass
Yeah thats what I hope so too, I think an alternative is to get third party lens guard but they affect the visual quality even more
I'm still trying to get mine to work. It's been 6-months.
The lens guard still don't work for ya?
Well that's a lot more efficient and less expensive than flying to Western Australia to install the sticky lenses.
Hahaha, I really wished Singapore was less humid... the weather here is killer when the sun is out beating down on you :(
Mine was crappy too I ended up returning it and getting a GoPro max
How has the Gopro max performed so far for you?
I watch Your videos Pak but I'm afraid here in Indonesia fog issue so bad since here are tropical islands with heavy bad weather, heat so hot, when it rains become flood 😅 and it can change in a minutes
Recently Insta360 released a detachable lens guard that is similar to the x4 but for the x3 maybe you should check that out!
Does fogg come after use of few days?
So from my previous application, the fog is immediate when under certain weather conditions. Ie outside is hot but the wind is blowing on the lens guard so the guard is cold so the misting happens on the lens guard.
The only way to really test this out is to bring the insta360 out under different conditions to test.
So far my new application has not fogged under
- Sunny Mornings and Evenings
- Rain
- Night
I've yet to test under the hot afternoon sun because it's been raining a lot of SG these past few weeks but I will be able to get a chance soon once the weather changes.
Thanks for the experiments done to find out a solution for the foggy lens guard. I have done the same installation in a dehumided environment. I installed it in a rice box. The result is apparently good under normal use in a humid Hong Kong. I have tried to put it inside the fridge in different temperatures ranging from 2 to 10 degree Celsius for 15 to 20 mims. The result is all foggy up. When in -20 in the freezer for 2 minutes, it immediately fogged up. So you can test it in the fridge to further validate your findings. Perhaps my installation in the rice box is not the appropriate method.
@@kslam5733 Ah good point, Let me run these tests next weekend to see if it happens. I think no matter how hard we try it can't be 100% dry. but the best results is that it stops fogging in maybe 85% of scenarios we put it through.
This is probably something Insta360 has to fix in the X4. If they address it I will defo buy the next camera.
@@EigenMoto If no fogging happens anymore in this frige test, your installation in silicon box could be established. In my test trials of the camera done over the past 4 months with the lens guard installed in normal room temperature and humidity, I only met 2 occasions of fogging. One happened when temperature was around 0 degree Celsius with sunshine on a snow mountain in Japan. Fogging happened immediately in the first minute of filming. The next fogging happened in Hong Kong when filming on a mountain top with cold wind blowing around, but temperature was around 15 degree Celsius. Since then it is very difficult to meet fogging again even with the normal installation (no dehumid process). The reason is that even there is 6 degree Celsius outdoor temperature in Hong Kong, it was strange that no fogging effect found. If put it inside the fridge in the same temperature, fogging must happen. The reason for that is the air circulation around the camera body speeds up the cooling of the temperature inside the lens guard. Therefore it is quite difficult to find fogging. More tests needed even after the fridge tests.
You know, I kinda suspect that the seals of the lens guard or the camera itself may not be 100% air tight either. Which could be why there's such a variance in the results you're getting. Maybe putting the camera in a dry box might reduce the chances of fogging in general. We'll see!
Mine simply don't work good. Stitch line too noticeable
Did you turn on the lens guard mode on the 360? its under the base options!
@@EigenMoto of course. Still the stitch line is present making the guards useless
@RyanGuerra the only other two reasons I can think of are that the lens guards might be placed on the wrong/opposite ends or you got a dud from insta360. unfortunately I dont have severe stitching issues as evident by my videos
use a detachable lens guard if possible
Which one did you use? the 2 in my video are detachable but they have seams and lower video quality by a lot
there's only one guy on reddit claiming he's scratched one of the lenses of his insta360 x3, the scratch seems to be intentionally made, most likely he's a Chinese seller of some sort of lens cover.
So far I haven't seen a credible source showing a scratch on the lenses of this camera.
My buddies brought their 360s to snowboard in Hokkaido earlier this year and had their lenses scratched during a fall which is unfortunate... I think the likelihood of scratching depends on the sport you are doing?
@@EigenMoto I didn't say the lenses won't get scratched, I said I haven't seen a proof of a real scratch yet. They show you how to fix unscratched or intentionally scratched using violent methods. The camera seems to be very strong and well built.
Ah apologies for the misunderstanding. Yeah the camera certainly is really strong and well built, I think this is also one of those cases like the iPhone where having some peace of mind outweighs the usefulness of the actual lens protector Hahaha!
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yes bro sticky lens protector not good for quality.
I think its the best so far compared with a lot of other third party ones. Its hard if you dont want to have to replace lenses on damage :(
plastic or glass? you can tell by tapping/ touching it with your upper front teeth.
I'm quite sure its plastic from the way it scratches. It scratches very easily.
Wash the lens with methanol and cool it before installing.
Hmm I actually bought de-misting spray. I don't know if methanol wont fog eventually as well. How has your experience been with this solution?
Im glad i got the go 2 instead of this x3
I never liked these kind of shots
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@@EigenMoto Hello, is the lens guard only used once? or can be used again if it has been removed?
@@fabiowye sort of. It comes with extra sticky tape. so if you peel it off. You remove the old sticky tape and put the new sticky tape on it and reapply
@@EigenMoto oh thank u for answering👍🏻