It was cool to see you walk about how badly pokemon color system is And… now I realize that ice types are really lacking in the warm colors. Not a single yellow or orange ice type But… it kinda makes sense What I didn’t expect is zero pink dragon types, poison types and fire types We sure need some fairies or psychic types paired with those types to get some pink in those groups
I would argue that Pecharunt is pink (with its shell closed), but it is more purple with its shell open, so the purple categorisation still makes sense. Purple is also its official colour.
this wouldn't surprise me and honestly I'm totally fine with that as a reason, but to my eye many pokemon are in fact orange, enough to justify a separate category
I’ve done this before and it’s a fun challenge, but some of the multicoloured ones are very tricky and a lot of the ones on the edge of being two different colours are almost worse. I kind of wish there were just better colour choices for some, maybe even an unhelpful “multicoloured” category. Or maybe you’d get to pick two colours. One issue I had with a select few was do I chose a characterising colour or the colour the Pokémon is primarily? I chose the latter in cases like Plusle and Minun being red and blue. Another issue I ran into was how the Pokedex likes to keep the same colour across multiple stages of the same family. This was especially an issue when 2/3 of the line was one colour and one of them could also be that colour, but looked more like another. Finally, a lot of colour gradients just suck. A lot of black Pokemon are blueish or grayish. A lot of white Pokemon also can have different tinges of colour. Blue greens were also difficult.
honestly part of the reason gray grew so much in this case was because of bad gradients between blue black and gray, very few pokemon are a solid black, most are shades of gray
Great follow-up video; it was cool to see how being a bit more discerning with the categorization ultimately strengthens the idea of color having a correlation to a Pokemon's type. I wasn't surprised to see that the red and brown categories ended up with fewer Pokemon after creating the orange category, though I'm glad to have it confirmed. ^_^ Thanks for sharing the spreadsheet, too! I can only imagine how tedious and time-consuming that was for over 1,000 Pokemon. o-o
thanks! red and brown made sense to me too, so was nice to have it validated. and truth be told, it didn't take that long to recategorize them, especially while watching yt in the background and the like
I didn't like what the pokedex did by making it white, so flipped a coin (consistent with the idea that they're a 50/50 gender ratio and thus it was kind of arbitrary)
I definitely could have done that, but made a deliberate choice to exclude forms from this dataset because it makes it very hard to keep a track of duplicates and other categorizations like type (this is more a case of me knowing my skill limit working with data)
I don’t agree, alot of pokedex entires have their basis on how the creatures were insipired and some has hints of japanese folklore in origin. To dismiss it all together is pretty disingenuous.
my comments on the pokedex are less to do with the lore descriptions and world-building and more to do with how it functions as an encyclopedia, which is to say, really badly
Brown is such an arbitrary color category. It's mainly made up of dark or desaturated forms of orange, but because it's an artibrary color classification, not bound by mathematical/scientific standards of color classification, it also finds itself with shades of red and yellow as well. Same with pink; It's mainly made up of light or desaturated forms of magenta and red. If I were to recontexualize the color classification of pokemon, I would just have 7 categories, which consist of the primary colors: Red, Yellow, Green, Cyan, Blue, Magenta, and Grey.
My problem with the color choice is that they flip flop between the overall color of the pokemon or their skin. The best example is leavanny line, they have all yellow skin covered in green leaves which categorizes them in yellow but swadloon who is still yellow is categorized as green because?????
Man, color is such a subjective and arbitrary phenomenon that I don't understand why they feel a compulsion to categorize Pokémon by that metric in the first place. So many Pokémon are also split between two or more colors. How do you even make a fair call on something like Voltorb?
I wonder if you've considered doing this for gender and color, and gender and type. Although youd have to take into account gender ratio which would make it more difficult.
I had thought about this, but possibly more interested in looking at gender ratios generally - I think it's a super underexplored area and might be quite interesting
I agree that many of the Pokédex colours are wrong/off, but Masquerain is blue? I think you brought it up in an example in the previous video and it confused me then too, it has orange as an accent but it’s body is fully blue
TortoiseCity to Dialga: _"YOU'RE BLUE NOW! THAT'S MY ATTACK."_
It's more a declaration of relief, that Dialga can finally be blue without Gamefreak telling it that it's white
It was cool to see you walk about how badly pokemon color system is
And… now I realize that ice types are really lacking in the warm colors. Not a single yellow or orange ice type
But… it kinda makes sense
What I didn’t expect is zero pink dragon types, poison types and fire types
We sure need some fairies or psychic types paired with those types to get some pink in those groups
I would argue that Pecharunt is pink (with its shell closed), but it is more purple with its shell open, so the purple categorisation still makes sense. Purple is also its official colour.
I guess Smoochum and Jynx at least have yellow hair
Galarian Slowbro is pink tho, and Galarian Slowking to an lesser extent
Both Poison/Psychic
I was also surprised at how many categories did not have a single type in them, especially with 1025 pokemon - hardly a small sample
Orange isn't a color because Brown is just dark orange, and there's more brown pokemon than orange.
maybe so, but I could easily find 50 pokemon that I thought were orange and that seemed enough to justify its own category
1:46 Latias is BLUE and Latios is RED?
an error! fixed now, ty for heads up!
I remember hearing that orange isn't a color used much in Japan, as they end up classifying orange as red-yellow instead
this wouldn't surprise me and honestly I'm totally fine with that as a reason, but to my eye many pokemon are in fact orange, enough to justify a separate category
Orange is a loanword from English in Japanese and thus spelt in katakana, while othee colors (at least in Pokemon) are written in kanji.
I’ve done this before and it’s a fun challenge, but some of the multicoloured ones are very tricky and a lot of the ones on the edge of being two different colours are almost worse.
I kind of wish there were just better colour choices for some, maybe even an unhelpful “multicoloured” category. Or maybe you’d get to pick two colours.
One issue I had with a select few was do I chose a characterising colour or the colour the Pokémon is primarily? I chose the latter in cases like Plusle and Minun being red and blue.
Another issue I ran into was how the Pokedex likes to keep the same colour across multiple stages of the same family. This was especially an issue when 2/3 of the line was one colour and one of them could also be that colour, but looked more like another.
Finally, a lot of colour gradients just suck. A lot of black Pokemon are blueish or grayish. A lot of white Pokemon also can have different tinges of colour. Blue greens were also difficult.
honestly part of the reason gray grew so much in this case was because of bad gradients between blue black and gray, very few pokemon are a solid black, most are shades of gray
Great follow-up video; it was cool to see how being a bit more discerning with the categorization ultimately strengthens the idea of color having a correlation to a Pokemon's type. I wasn't surprised to see that the red and brown categories ended up with fewer Pokemon after creating the orange category, though I'm glad to have it confirmed. ^_^ Thanks for sharing the spreadsheet, too! I can only imagine how tedious and time-consuming that was for over 1,000 Pokemon. o-o
thanks! red and brown made sense to me too, so was nice to have it validated. and truth be told, it didn't take that long to recategorize them, especially while watching yt in the background and the like
It's like I'm back in my Information Organization class, loved that class 💕 great vid
list of colour/type combinations that do not exist (according to this)
Blue - Fire
Orange - Ice
Pink - Dragon, poison, fire
Yellow - Ice
What did you do about Pokemon like Frillish for example (whose gender changes its colour to either blue or pink)?
I didn't like what the pokedex did by making it white, so flipped a coin (consistent with the idea that they're a 50/50 gender ratio and thus it was kind of arbitrary)
I think newer games give forms their own color categories if the difference is distinct enough. So male can be blue while female is pink without issue
@@tortoisecityCould you not treat them as different forms and therefore 2 different entries?
I definitely could have done that, but made a deliberate choice to exclude forms from this dataset because it makes it very hard to keep a track of duplicates and other categorizations like type (this is more a case of me knowing my skill limit working with data)
The Pokedex is a load of bullshit and it always has been. Often it seems as though it was written by someone who doesn’t know what Pokemon is.
I do in fact have a video on this very topic, so I would be inclined to agree
I don’t agree, alot of pokedex entires have their basis on how the creatures were insipired and some has hints of japanese folklore in origin. To dismiss it all together is pretty disingenuous.
my comments on the pokedex are less to do with the lore descriptions and world-building and more to do with how it functions as an encyclopedia, which is to say, really badly
I'm glad I found this channel, it looks like good content!
thanks! glad you like the videos :)
glad to see this follow up video!
glad to see you!
Brown is darker orange, so brown being orange makes sense. What would be better is that we had a color between orange and brown we could relate to
wouldn't that be nice - for now I will take orange though
Great video mate, well done
thanks!
Brown is such an arbitrary color category. It's mainly made up of dark or desaturated forms of orange, but because it's an artibrary color classification, not bound by mathematical/scientific standards of color classification, it also finds itself with shades of red and yellow as well.
Same with pink; It's mainly made up of light or desaturated forms of magenta and red.
If I were to recontexualize the color classification of pokemon, I would just have 7 categories, which consist of the primary colors: Red, Yellow, Green, Cyan, Blue, Magenta, and Grey.
I think that'd be fine, you'd have a lot less trouble trying to categorize marginal cases
Why do you have Articuno as brown
that is _an error_ and has been fixed now. ty for heads up!
You have such great videos!!!
thanks!
My problem with the color choice is that they flip flop between the overall color of the pokemon or their skin.
The best example is leavanny line, they have all yellow skin covered in green leaves which categorizes them in yellow but swadloon who is still yellow is categorized as green because?????
They also choose the most random parts of the pokemon like the face or wings put them in that color bracket despite it being like 10% of the body.
yeah in recategorizing these I could exactly how they picked them and sometimes they chose very minor features for the color choice
Man, color is such a subjective and arbitrary phenomenon that I don't understand why they feel a compulsion to categorize Pokémon by that metric in the first place. So many Pokémon are also split between two or more colors. How do you even make a fair call on something like Voltorb?
genuinely no good way to do so, the one I struggled with and eventually just arbitrarily decided was porygon
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I wonder if you've considered doing this for gender and color, and gender and type. Although youd have to take into account gender ratio which would make it more difficult.
I had thought about this, but possibly more interested in looking at gender ratios generally - I think it's a super underexplored area and might be quite interesting
I agree that many of the Pokédex colours are wrong/off, but Masquerain is blue? I think you brought it up in an example in the previous video and it confused me then too, it has orange as an accent but it’s body is fully blue
it's blue in the same way that a russian blue cat is blue, in that it is gray