Why am I Struggling to Embrace Emulation?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 เม.ย. 2024
- With the "classic" Pokémon games so easily accessible, why can't I bring myself to take the plunge?
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man, i did not think for a second this vid would take off the way it did - i just wanted to thank everyone who engaged with this one, whether it be watched, commented, liked, or subscribed. it’s really been a blast engaging with folks on this topic!
i get a new computer next week, so i’ll be able to continue posting one off videos like this in the future. thank you all again for making it so fulfilling and fun!
We all want it on switch, but the problem is that pokemon as a company have been so anti consumer on this, That emulation is the only thing driving the community forward. We can beg nintendo all we want but they have proven they arent bothered.
yeah, i find myself trying to rationalize why The Pokemon Company/Nintendo haven’t ported the classic games from 3DS to the Switch, and i really struggle to imagine a solid reason.
at this point, emulation is def keeping the engagement in the older titles alive and i’m grateful for the folks who preserve them!
@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk the reason is probably so the Later Gen Z and Gen Alpha don’t know that Pokémon can be good and not glitchy and generally mid to bad at storytelling
One of the blockers is probably that they want the emulators adjusted to not give you savestates and frame rewind for those games specifically, just like how they also had some features blocked on the 3DS. "They could clone Pokemon otherwise!"
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@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalkI still have faith that theyll
come out on 2025 with the Switch 2
the majority of these games run on a modded 3ds, which is kinda the best way to play them, with the eshop being dead, there is a moral obligation to mod your system and play them that way.
is it still surprisingly easy to mod your 3DS? i’ve seen some on sale online (unmodded) but never mustered the will to buy one.
As far as i'm aware it's gotten even easier with time. Even just looking into the 3DS guide (hint hint) it says every single model of the 3DS is compatible. I also wouldn'tve expected you not actually having one, as a Pokemon fan, a 3DS is kind of a must have. @@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk
@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk it's very easy, I play my rom hacks on my 3ds now renegade platinum atm 👌
@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalkit’s very easy and definitely worth it. The homebrew community is insane and now you can even go online even though the services are down with Pretendo.
@@CatBack94Rom hacks are super fun on modded 3DS, I’m currently playing through radical red and am 10 hours in!
I am in the same boat as you my friend. One of the best features for myself is transferring Pokémon you’ve been training between games, via home.
very glad i am not the only one in this boat. it felt very hypocritical (or maybe ungrateful?) to not want to play them now that they are readily available and having wished to be able to access them for so long, but it felt like i was having to force myself to really commit to the experience.
this is very embarrassing, i’ve had a home account for years, but i only recently took the time to truly figure out how to transfer from a game to Home and then from Home to another game. i have a shiny Zygarde i got in Sw/Sh and i’m really hoping i can move that cutie into ZA.
u can do that with emulation saves. i brought my soulsilver delta mon to X n Y and then into bank, then to Home. It took a TH-cam tutorial or two but it was doable and pretty easy
I've been playing on emulators since the original Red and Blue were launched, mostly due to the expensive prices here in Brazil. Been doing that since then, and even bought a few OG games like Crystal, Leaf Green and HG on their respective hardware.
I for one feel like emulation is a blessing, not only for preservation, but for allowing mods and other things which expand this universe.
All that said, I really missed out on the crucial aspect of multiplayer, be that trading or battling. I believe I only had one official battle on the DS lite with a friend of mine and that was it.
this was really interesting insight! it’s a bummer your experience lacked the multiplayer experience, but i’m happy that emulation allowed you to experience these titles! i wish i had been as resourceful!
Putting everything on the 3DS is the go to for you it sounds like
you’re right, it does - just gotta bite the bullet and get one for myself.
What a great take on this. For me, I have no other way to play these games that filled my childhood with so much joy outside of emulation. But I agree with you that I wish we could play them on official hardware. The convenience is nice, but there is just something so satisfying about playing them in an official capacity. I hope that one day I will get to experience Gens 4 and 5 again through a Nintendo approved device. (I don't count BDSP I want a Platinum remake). Also, this video was recommended to me, and I have to say, I am subscribing for more! Well done!
man, thank you so much for the feedback! i’m getting a replacement pc (my current one kicked it) on saturday, so i would like to continue releasing these on a semi-weekly basis if possible.
also, top tier take on not counting BDSP. they were my first experience with the generation, so no regrets, but they lacked real soul.
The problem that I feel is that playing pkmn anywhere else thats not on original hardware just feels plain wrong
it’s rough - because objectively it is the same experience, but in practice it feels unnatural.
The biggest benefit of emulating Pokémon is that you get access to modded versions of the games, making them much more optimized for emulation, as you can get all Pokémon in a single game (without trading, transferring or events). For some examples:
Red++
Shin Red and Blue
Crystal Legacy
Refined Gold
Refined Platinum
Hundreds of Gen 3 enhancement mods (I don't even know where to begin).
If you decide to emulate, go for the mods, they will make the originals obsolete.
man, maybe that is the way to go - i’d like to play them in their original state first, but i for sure would also like to see what the modding community has done.
@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk Pokemon in a way was one of the first live service games; half the game was the community and the communities of the OG games have moved on. The vanilla games aren't the same without other people since so many things are locked behind other people like trade evolutions and events. Also the games were designed for kids with a lot of free time that didn't mind sitting through repetitive animations mashing a.
Turning a mini pc into an emulation console with controllers and on tv is the winner.
yeah, my brother has one set up and swears by it, just need to do the work.
@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk I just discovered it myself. I’ll be selling my Series S for it, most likely.
I'm one of the lucky ones and have access to all 9 generations of Pokemon through legitimate means, whether I have an OG title or a remake. Luckily, I bought Blue and Silver before the 3DS Eshop was destroyed. I can play gen 3 thanks to the used copy of Omega Ruby I found a few years ago and got for $20. As for gen 4 and upward, I have the original cartridges in working condition.
For those who don't have access to one or more of the older gens, I'd recommend emulating them if you're a huge fan of the franchise or haven't played one yet. I, too, am hoping that Nintendo puts the older gens on Switch's Eshop. There is a clear demand for it, so it baffles me why Nintendo just won't pull the trigger; they are actively choosing to ignore the gold mine they are sitting on!
there has to be some nerd at the corporate office crunching the numbers and determining that having classic games on Switch would be detrimental. it makes me mad lol.
It's a psychological thing mostly. Having access too all the games at once through illegal means(assuming one did not dump them oneself for the roms) gives you choice paralysis. Meanwhile you are going to subcontiously consider the things you officially have as more valuable because they either cost you actual cash, or you luckly got them for free, which cannot happen over and over.
The gap generally closes considerably when one slows down and concentrates on one game at a time, getting rid of the instant burnout from seeing the entire pile of games at once. Source: myself. I often feel like that.
Also yeah, phone emulators kinda suck? I guess they can be more immersive than a mouse if you are playing a purely touchscreen DS game like Zelda PH, but that is so niche. May as well just go to a PC instead, that way you can at least use a controller and some emulators even have features to attempt replicating how the games looked on their original displays, which I don't think is available on phone because several emus are still struggling to even run on these things.
i think the psychology of it you pointed out plays a lot into it - having 17 titles to try and play through can be overwhelming and the fact they can just be loaded up can devalue the “relationship” with the game.
When I was little all I had was a game boy color (in the 20teens) and I used to emulate these newer games on my phone. When I got old enough to a get a job it was so satisfying getting a 3ds and being able to play every pokemon up to usum with physical controls is so nice, and it only takes less than half an hour to mod. Super easy stuff!
yeah, i think getting a dedicated device will probably be the way to go - tho with the Switch 2 news, my copium has increased that they will come to that system lol.
I got myself a backbone controller for Christmas, and it works perfectly on Delta
yeah, maybe not for pokemon, but i can see myself getting on in the future for other titles. it seems like a good pairing with the app.
I agree, i dont want to have to emulate or use cheats somehow to evolve pokemon that require trades. Gamefreak and Nintendo need to somehow put all the old pokemon games on the switch. Ive tried to find some of the them for my 3ds but they are hard to find and incredibly expensive for some of them.
even if they put them on NSO without home connect-ability and allowed you to trade between systems, that would be acceptable to me. and then you could also move your team into the Pokemon Colosseum games.
You don't need to use cheats to evolve trade pokemon because multiple emulators support multiplayer.
Even if it didn't support multiplayer, you can transfer the save file effortlessly and then just transfer it back.
@@nickk6645 i had no idea!
Highly agree!! I’ve started buying gameboys and authentic games to really get that nostalgic feeling
i probably need to start - where are you buying the hardware (if you don’t mind me asking)?
@Upstairs Downstairs Game Talk: Emulation is legal however downloading Rom is illegal from a public website except if the company that does game belong to allows it. So if you Download an emulator that have all does Rom pre-build and it is a public website and the game devloper for does game never green lite does then that type of emulation is illegal since something illegal is involve within it. Download the game from non-public source but you must also have the original copy or play it legit some other way, or else that is kept illegal, the do it yourself metho is legal but not in Japan starting Janurary 2019 (in Japan anything you buy you don't own even a physical object, even food this is why a lot of people are starving in Japan) and not in Europe maybe just England because I heard that in the UK they pay for the Nintendo online services but their cloud data save is disable for every game since it is illegal to back-up save file in their region or country, and Nintendo does not make the payed online services cheaper for them because they don't have access to the back up save.
man, there are some points to that that are new to me! i think emulating and distributing currently accessible software is questionable since in theory you would be able to purchase the games, but if a game is simply no longer being sold by the developer/publisher, it would be wild if they took legal action against the individual. i totally understand what you are saying tho.
Do you have any sources about Japanese people not owning the things they buy, and that the UK supposedly doesn't have cloud backups for NSO? Because I can't find any evidence that those outrageous claims are true in any form.
However you are right that distribution and unlawful acquiring of copyrighted materials are illegal in most nations, and that is even true when those products are no longer being sold by the original creator. In most western countries all created works that have been "created" are copyrighted for 75 years from the date of creation, or 75 years starting from the death of the creator (details vary slightly).
Beyond that usually it's still illegal to download a copy even if you own a license/ physical copy for the game, as the law doesn't care. Dumping your own roms are also often illegal as circumventing copyright protections might be illegal as well.
Last but not least abandon ware is not a legally recognized category of any kind, software that's either abandoned because the creators no longer exist or hasn't been updated / sold / offered in ages, is still covered fully by all laws. However if no entity exists that is legally allowed to file the copyright right suit then technically the law can't be enforced, making it still technically illegal but consequence free.
To be clear emulation isn't really legal, we have no law that applies to emulation specifically, it just exists in a legal grey area created by precedent from 2 major lawsuits where no video game company really wants to rock the boat with since it could go either way in or against their favor. That's why they mostly just ceast and desist and threaten lawsuits but don't actually pursue them and allow the emulator devs to settle like yuzu's devs did. You can watch the moon channel's videos on the dolphin and yuzu emulators for more detail abt emulation's legality, he's a lawyer.
I have downloaded not just roms, but entire anime, movies and manga over the course of my life and have never been arrested for it. From what I understand, it's only illegal if you profit from it (hence why stores that sell bootleg DVDs in Brazil get taken down, but they people who bought these DVDs suffer no punishment).
@RAHelllord: The one in Japan was a news artical that was translated from Japanese to English, and the law of what you buy you don't own was only affective in Janurary 2019 and it specified game console, cell phone, TV. It will be to difficult for me to find that artical again since it was release in 2018, so even if I remember the web site that I did found it. I would have to scroll down 6 years worth of artical before I can find it. And a bloger that used to live in Japan at does time did say they have a higher situation where people are starving, and that could be prove that it extend to food as well. On The Europe it was just a commenter that says in his country it is illegal to back-up your game and he did say U.K. he did not specified if it was the cloud save or the other way, so maybe in the U.K. it is only illegal to back-up the game if it is done outside the game console, since another video of someone from U.K. did have cloud save, unless he was not using a Europe account for the cloud save.
The best thing about emulation is that it doesn't need to exist in a closed ecosystem. You can play these games on your switch via emulation (you would need to buy a modded switch, and learn how to use the software but its possible).
You could also emulate these games on a modded 3DS, or an original Gameboy with a flashcart. Or you can just get a controller for your iPhone... There are so many options available today to play these games.
You can always wait for Nintendo to re-release these games, but it may never happen. Or, you might be suck with some NSO or digital copy that would be the same (or worse) as emulating it yourself anyways.
i think what i’m learning is that ultimately there is a lot more to emulation than i realized. it’s def worth investing in.
Well it's an interesting view point to be sure. There is a "middle" ground where you invest in a nice dedicated emulation handheld with some nice physical controls and have a more enjoyable experience. A nice device that can easily run GB, GBC, and GBA can be had under $100 and in some cases even right around $50 and give a VERY playable experience. Miyoo mini, RG35xx or RG28xx are fairly solid entry level consoles that will give an enjoyable experience for fairly cheap price.
i’m really considering investing in one of these and doing a follow-up video down the road, to see if the medium through which i play these games really impacts the experience.
I think part of it is that Pokemon is largely a community-based experience-the games have always been concerned with connectivity. So not having them launch together on a platform at the same time for everyone hurts the experience. You're on an island!
The other thing is that playing a game on a phone is a very specific kind of experience and it's hard to get attached/feel like you have a personal relationship with this thing you already use for a million other reasons. There's no ritual to turning on your phone and starting up a game. Nintendo consoles are literally made to fit into your life in this exact way.
So yeah i get it! I like emulation a lot more when it's on actual hardware-a soft-modded DSi or 3DS is a GODSEND. And then you can make the experience more enjoyable by playing a game at the same time as a friend or doing a specific kind of challenge that you can share with others!
absolutely - i’m one of the weirdos who still participates in the 7 Star Tera Raid events in S/V and, even if i’m planning a solo strategy, im communicating with other players on what mons to use, what moves to prioritize, etc. so even if i’m engaging the game in a single player experience, im still “feeling” like i’m very much a part of a collective experience. the most connectivity i experienced with the phone roms was jus talking about how Nintendo must be seething lol.
I would love to be able to start from scratch, building the pokedex, trading between versions, and transferring pokemon through generations. Its just not possible without shelling out $1,000 plus for old hardware and cartridges. Its a shame because we have the technology with the switch. I thought the switch was going to be a godsend to play old games like this on the go. I was sorely mistaken.
it’s a real bummer - i feel like (generally speaking) Nintendo itself does a great job porting/remastering it’s older games to the console. they need to have a heart to heart with Pokemon on how to get it done.
Devices like the Miyoo Mini or something from Anbernic solve some of this, and at a fairly low price point. For under $100 you can have a great handheld device that plays these ROMs. That being said, I still bounce off playing the games quickly.
i just searched it, it looks so good. i think i would have better retention with a console of some sort, but i can also see moving onto something else pretty quick like you said.
I already have all these games legitimately so I don't need to emulate them, but I would absolutely just emulate them if I didn't.
i think if i had played them before, i’d be more inclined to emulate them (maybe not on my phone still) - i still wrestling with the idea of trying again on different hardware.
Choose to play them or not. I'm just happy we all have the option to choose now.
absolutely! more options and choices is only a good thing!
So, the problem with emulation is not being able to use the hardware to access certain parts of the game. If you emulate HGSS, you can't use the Pokéwalker. If you emulate Skylanders, you can't play it because you need the hardware to play the game at all.
right - i guess it might be picky on my part, but i just don’t want to compromise unless i have to.
I think is more of a hands on/feeling type of gaming. Like just having the feeling of a GBA on your hand where you're only limited to just playing the game but on the phone you can do whatever you want. Or just not having that nostalgic literal feeling of it. That's just kinda how i see it but hey, at least it's free.
i absolutely think buttons and controller feel are more important than we give them credit for. and yeah, i think a big part of the problem is i would go from scrolling TikTok (for real, RIP) or doing my online banking or whatever to trying to play Pokemon Emerald and it’s just not a very immersive way to play them since i literally CAN do anything else on my phone. these games sing on dedicated hardware.
The best controller for it, in my opinion is the Super Nintendo controller. I ordered the NSO controller and it's been phenomenal on Switch and on fan-made emulators.
My fav emulation device is still the PsVita. Its small and has plenty of power to emulate everything up to GBA well.
And its got nice and clicky buttons and an OLED screen.
But I guess a controller case for smartphones can deliver a similar experience.
Blue, Crystal and Sapphire were the first video games i properly finished as a kid, so the Gameboy generations have that nostalgia bonus for me as well.
i completely missed out on the PS handheld scene, i did a quick google search and it does seem like an emulation powerhouse.
emerald was my first game, fell off for a long time, and picked back up with Sw/Sh. really bummed i stepped away from the series!
I don't mind these Pokémon games coming to the switch. But what I REALLY do mind is them coming to the online Gameboy service. I absolutely despise how Nintendo handled this, and I genuinely believe this has to be one of the worse decisions they've made.
I should be able to buy these ported games and keep it for myself. I shouldn't have to pay a yearly service for it. I'm someone who highly values preservation of games. So whenever I see a company handle it in a way that feels anti-preservation, I get very irritated.
It's Nintendo once again trying to forcefully control the way players play their games.
i think i agree with the overall premise - in the same way that nintendo shut down the 3DS eShop, but at least then folks had a chance to purchase the games to keep. i think ultimately i’d want to be able to purchase a physical collection, and maybe that’s the way they’ll go one day.
I'd see emerald being the most realistic option. For the Wii U ages that is.
i. would. die.
i don’t like touch screen buttons, so i can’t play them on my phone. they make these emulation devices with buttons (anbernic, miyoo, etc.) that make playing these games feel so much nicer
Kinda wish i could say the same but i jus put 40 hours into Soulsilver over the past month and now im onto Emerald lmao
JEALOUS. that's the life i want to want to live lol.
We should've had OG pokemon games on switch a long time ago. Idk why it hasnt happened yet and as an iOS user myself I agree completely with you. I cant bring myself to play them on my phone. I cant really explain why but it just doesnt give me the feeling I am looking for and tbh lol I dont even know what that feeling is. All I know is that I have an overwhelming desire to avoid pokemon emulation on my phone.
glad i’m not alone on this - it was such a bummer to come to the realization i didn’t have the drive to play through them now that i can access them so easily. maybe one day, if Mr. Pokemon and Mr. Nintendo ordain it, we’ll be able to play this on dedicated hardware!
Pokemon is a special case where I agree playing them on an emulator is far less satisfying, but it may not be for too much longer. Gamefreak is just tapping their foot and waiting to end service on Pokemon Bank and when they do they will sever most of the Pokemon games from trading, their primary special feature they have. As someone who owns all the physical games up to gen 7 and all the hardware to transfer I hate this since they could have made a physical solution that would have worked forever, but instead chose a crappy software service model the won't support forever.
However, the unfortunate truth is transferring pokemon up through all the games is an extremely niche part of the fanbase. Most people will be fine playing them on the emulator because they just wanna relive playing them and when they finish the game they'll be done and just abandon the file not caring about transferring and if they play a new Pokemon game they'll do the same thing as a one-and-done just seeing it as stand alone gaming experience.
yeah, that’s a fair point - i admit that part of my requirement to enjoy a pokemon game is being able to complete a pokedex (gotta catch ‘em all really did a number on me), so the issue of finding them unsatisfactory is 100% a me problem.
@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk I agree with you 100%, we just happen to be in the minority on that one.
There's so many advantages to emulating pokemon, mods, fan games, save states, quality of life improvements, honest I used to want the old pokemon games on NSO, now, I don't because they'll always be inferior on NSO, just like every other title on NSO. NSO will never be better than the emulation route.
man, that is a spicy take but i respect it - i think emulation gives the user freedom to enhance and craft the game in so many ways (graphically, gameplay, narrative, etc). i think i get overwhelmed by it.
Personally I prefer playing rom hacks because I've already played a lot of the mainline pokemon games. I had someone really push to use controllers with the emulator, but personally that defeats the purpose of it being on my phone. If I'm going to emulate these games, I might as well just hack my switch and play them on that. The reason I don't want to use a switch is specifically because it's less convenient than using my phone. Personally though I never related to the community aspect of connecting to others to play pokemon. I always was either never able to get someone else to play with me as a kid, or felt that the online interactions in pokemon games was just superficial.
i can see that - i think if i had a history with these games, it would be cool to see what rom hacks are out there and what changes/enhancements they made.
and i can 100% relate about not finding others to play/trade with as a kid, was near impossible in my school.
the largest reasons for the want of the gba games is because they are so gosh darn expensive
and that there are a lot of pokemon you just cant get on the switch. since the wifi shutdown on the 3ds
exactly - outside of emulation or waiting for Nintendo to drop GBA games on NSO, financially there is a real barrier to entry for the titles on this platform.
@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk as well as not being able to transport the pokemon past 3ds
and in the case of gba. having to replace the batteries
Personally I see replaying older Pokemon games as worthless unless they have Home support, which is why I don't emulate the old games. Just give me the new ones with Home support and I'll easily pay.
man, i can’t really relate since i rarely utilize the home function, but i can see why that would be a deal breaker.
Everyone know it’s a compromise if you like it play it if not don’t, no one cares. If anything it introduced emulation to a lot of casual players which they can hopefully emulate on PC or home brew their consoles or use flash carts. This way they will ascend to the greatest plane of existence and play on original hardware with no compromise.
oh i agree, like i said, i think emulation is a good thing. i just wish i could enjoy it more in this format.
People all want something different from emulation, it is always a sacrifice. I much prefer real buttons, but some games are unplayable without speed up. I emulate on multiple devices but the only games i enjoy on mobile is pokemon.
And yes, it doesnt have the factor of "look at this save file, its all legit" because you can cheat on it. But some people want to experience the game, not the community. Idgaf if anyone believes i have 2k+ hours in dark souls, i feel accomplished from the things i did in that time. Its on old gen console, i have no way to prove it, but i did it is enough for me
i think how we define our personal accomplishment/satisfaction with a game experience should be the drive behind what we play and how we play it - just bummed my preferences didn’t really leave space for emulating the pokemon games in this way!
Idk if I'd ever play an older pokemon game on my phone. My computer however...
hahahaha, after trying it on my phone i considered just moving to a different machine to see if that made a difference. my pc just died tho, so the results are tbd!
Nintendo have the best library of games imaginable from Zelda, to Pokemon to Mario and yet they don't use it. They bring RBY or GSC and make they compatible with Pokemon Stadium they would end up selling like hot cakes. I swear some companies just don't like money.
there has to be a reason, right? like some analyst bros ran the numbers and determined it wasn’t “aligned” with the company vision? it bums me out lol.
I've been using pokemon emulators on my phone for years. It's because I lost my Game Boy and I gotten to play the DS games as well
yeah, if your able to get these titles and enjoy them as is, i 100% understand if and wish i could feel the same. that’s so sad about losing your Game Boy!
@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk I really do miss the fiscal buttons but now knowing how expensive old pokemon games are so emulation helps keep those games in my mind and then there's the fan games that are enjoyable
I prefer playing Gameboy Color games on the 3DS since the cartridges have artwork that I don't want to get scratched. As for the Gameboy Advance/DS/3DS games I still play them on their native handhelds
you are 100% living my dream.
I started playing on emulator at least 8 years ago. It's too easy and most importantly free.
both are very valid points!
Buy a retro handheld, like something from Anbernic. I keep mine in the same pocket I keep my phone in.
i’ve seen so many of those on my TikTok FYP (RIP) - very tempted!
A bit of info to consider, The Pokemon Company and Nintendo are not one and the same. Nintendo clearly cares about innovation and creating new and interesting experiences, as well as giving decent emulation to older games, Ocarina of Time for example had some issues that were mostly fixed and right now the Switch online version is really good.
But the Pokémon Company suck at putting any effort, they essentially see Pokémon games as a form to get more merchandise opportunities and don't really care too much about their quality. Hence why all the good pokemon games are the ones not made by the Pokémon Company.
for sure, being separate entities likely complicates things - but they work so closely together and we have a few spin-off pokemon titles already on NSO, you would think they could make it work. but your right, i’m sure there is a monetary factor for not doing this.
@@UpstairsDownstairsGameTalk That is the point, spin offs are not 100% under the control of TPC, hence Nintendo has some leeway to influence things, but they don't have nearly as much leeway with mainline titles.
TPC just doesn't want to put any effort in their games, hence why recent games are so bad performance wise.
They want people to obtain Pokemon in the new games, so you buy those. Not supporting transferring from older games is intentional, even though it’s really cool.
You are still emulating the games on any digital platform even if it’s on a Nintendo platform. I own an analogue pocket and play games in many different ways on that and it’s great. There are also cheaper alternatives, play on those !
you’re probably right on the first point - i bet some study group determined that bringing classic titles to Switch devalued the newer games to some capacity.
i’ve been seeing more and more pocket emulators in my feed lately (big brother must have watched my vid) and they look very good!
It's cynical but I kinda do feel like pokemon's game plan is just continuously remaking older games on the newest system. With the 3ds online service gone and pokemon bank with it, maybe the next remake/legends title will be another ds/3ds game or that lets go johto that a lot of people thought we might get instead of legends za. I want the older games on the 3ds or switch too since I also don't really feel like emulating is the same experience, and I'm too young to have grown up with the gameboy or gba to play them originally either.
i think that is a valid expectation - we get a reimagining of gen 1, remakes of gen 4 and the start of the legends series. i’m honestly surprised we didn’t see remakes of Black and White this year. but yes, i just want older titles since i missed out as well.
I would pay full price for so many class games to get them on switch. I just don't want them only playable online through a subscription. Nintendo online is fine to pay for online play but tying emulted titles to it is a horrible choice. I want to own my games and play as much ad I wish where I wish. I'm gonna lose my virtual console games when I lose internet nect month.
i would much prefer to pay for them too (the dream is a single cart with all the classics up through gen 3), but i’ll take what i can get at this point on my Switch.
the thing is nintendo emulating there game as well the only different they got server to play and it on switch that it. The switch online the game you dont even own only rent that my problem whit it. That the difference between this and retro handheld i prefer emulating my self cuz it more faster you can acess to cheat and you can mod it (like having random encounter)
all fair points, i can totally see where you are coming from!
I vvish they put them on mobile like how square enix is selling dragon quest series on there.
this is the first time i’ve heard this take, but i think if they fully supported the releases i would be okay with it (not my preferred outcome tho) - would need to get a dedicated controller adapter tho.
Hack a 3ds or dsi you can then play roms on actual hardware no over paying.
yeah, just need to get one for myself - really kicking myself that i didn't pick up a 2DS towards the end of the lifecycle, they were going for crazy cheap.
Not one single person is asking for the OG pokemon games, with over 2 hours long introductions without Fast Forward and Save State. when I say no one, this does not include "streamers". Normal people arent asking for this.
The last three Pokemon games didnt even include a form of fucking BATTLE SUBWAY. for fucks sake.
idk what that is, but i wish i did. if we got the old pokémon games on Switch tho….
more importanly... why do we care... it's all old stuff we shouldn't want to play old stuff... but we do... because... the new sutff sucks ass... scarlet and violet is the biggest fuck you to to 20 plus year pokemon fans... if they just made new games that were actully good... none of this would matter
Scarlet and Violet are a perfect case study for what can go wrong in a Pokemon game. but that still doesn’t stop me from participating the 7 Star Tera raids when they roll out lol.
i would really love to see Pokemon take a Mario or Zelda approach, have more ambitious 3D titles while still occasionally releasing more constrained, tightly designed “classic” games.
Yeah you are a sicko tbh, if you really want to play them on hardware you can either use a 3ds with a flash cart or switch with cfw
just gotta pull the trigger on buying one - hard to justify the purchase, should have picked one up when they were readily available!
all i hear is crying that daddy nintendo doesnt care about you. get over it
i feel seen.