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TortoiseCity
New Zealand
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Hi, I'm Tortoise! I make videos about all things Pokémon, including long-term trends, game balance, speedrunning, history and lots more.
I also speedrun Pokémon over on twitch @TortoiseCity.
I also speedrun Pokémon over on twitch @TortoiseCity.
What is a Normal type Pokémon, anyway?
Thanks for watching! I've always kind of wondered what sets normal apart from other types, and what about normal makes normal, normal. Let me know below if I missed anything!
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Do Pokémon Types match their Stereotypes?
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Thanks for watching! I wanted to take a look at whether some commonly held beliefs in the Pokémon community were supported by the actual numbers in the games. I was pleasantly surprised by what I found! Follow me on Twitch here: www.twitch.tv/tortoisecity You can find all of my music here: soafnb40.bandcamp.com/ And here: open.spotify.com/artist/44J25KlrSfFtMjLetnTmIc?si=W-lQI6WzSVmIkYTqK0TPCg ...
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Thanks for watching! Old PB by now that I only just got to uploading. Still trying for sub 1:50. Follow me on Twitch here: www.twitch.tv/tortoisecity You can find all of my music here: soafnb40.bandcamp.com/ And here: open.spotify.com/artist/44J25KlrSfFtMjLetnTmIc?si=W-lQI6WzSVmIkYTqK0TPCg All my links are here: linktr.ee/soafnb40 Buy me a coffee here: ko-fi.com/tortoisecity
The Pokémon Types Gamefreak loves to hate
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Thanks for watching! I am still mildly upset with Gamefreak for condemning so many great pokémon to non-viability in all playthroughs in the early generations. Follow me on Twitch here: www.twitch.tv/tortoisecity You can find all of my music here: soafnb40.bandcamp.com/ And here: open.spotify.com/artist/44J25KlrSfFtMjLetnTmIc?si=W-lQI6WzSVmIkYTqK0TPCg All my links are here: linktr.ee/soafnb40 B...
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Thanks for watching! Did you ever find any of these rarest of Magikarps? Follow me on Twitch here: www.twitch.tv/tortoisecity You can find all of my music here: soafnb40.bandcamp.com/ And here: open.spotify.com/artist/44J25KlrSfFtMjLetnTmIc?si=W-lQI6WzSVmIkYTqK0TPCg All my links are here: linktr.ee/soafnb40 Buy me a coffee here: ko-fi.com/tortoisecity
Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire's Greatest Failure
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Thanks for watching! I love ORAS, but gosh I really wish it had a Battle Frontier. Follow me on Twitch here: www.twitch.tv/tortoisecity You can find all of my music here: soafnb40.bandcamp.com/ And here: open.spotify.com/artist/44J25KlrSfFtMjLetnTmIc?si=W-lQI6WzSVmIkYTqK0TPCg All my links are here: linktr.ee/soafnb40 Buy me a coffee here: ko-fi.com/tortoisecity
What's the Deal with Seinfeld End Screens?
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Thanks for watching! Seinfeld has many fantastic qualities, but few exceed its superb end screens. Which is your favorite? Follow me on Twitch here: www.twitch.tv/tortoisecity You can find all of my music here: soafnb40.bandcamp.com/ And here: open.spotify.com/artist/44J25KlrSfFtMjLetnTmIc?si=W-lQI6WzSVmIkYTqK0TPCg All my links are here: linktr.ee/soafnb40 Buy me a coffee here: ko-fi.com/tortoi...
The Joy and Wonder of the Game Boy Color Palettes
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Thanks for watching! Do you have a favourite palette for a specific game, or overall? Let me know in the comments below! Follow me on Twitch here: www.twitch.tv/tortoisecity You can find all of my music here: soafnb40.bandcamp.com/ And here: open.spotify.com/artist/44J25KlrSfFtMjLetnTmIc?si=W-lQI6WzSVmIkYTqK0TPCg All my links are here: linktr.ee/soafnb40 Buy me a coffee here: ko-fi.com/tortoise...
How long can you continuously stack wood in Stardew Valley?
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This took way, way too long. Follow me on Twitch here: www.twitch.tv/tortoisecity You can find all of my music here: soafnb40.bandcamp.com/ And here: open.spotify.com/artist/44J25KlrSfFtMjLetnTmIc?si=W-lQI6WzSVmIkYTqK0TPCg All my links are here: linktr.ee/soafnb40 Buy me a coffee here: ko-fi.com/tortoisecity
Ranking Every Cycling Road in Pokémon
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Thanks for watching! These are the cycling roads, the Pokémon cycling enthusiasts favorite area! Which one is your favorite? (don't say GSC) Follow me on Twitch here: www.twitch.tv/tortoisecity You can find all of my music here: soafnb40.bandcamp.com/ And here: open.spotify.com/artist/44J25KlrSfFtMjLetnTmIc?si=W-lQI6WzSVmIkYTqK0TPCg All my links are here: linktr.ee/soafnb40 Buy me a coffee here...
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The First Generations of Pokémon Games Failed CATASTROPHICALLY In This Aspect
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Porygon2 and PorygonZ are my fav pokemon, but I like psychic, fairy, ghost, steel, electric, and flying more than normal type. That's how cool the line is, it's a little like all those types too ig.
I'm currently doing a normal monotype run of Pokémon White and have come to the same conclusion as their statistics show: they're okay.
Piss Poor Shit Take on a great part of this game. Not worth trying to catch a venonat in safari zone compared to just getting it here. Early ditto was exciting. And this is always where I go to catch weepinbell. You also completely missed the hidden items. Missing context of the original release, this is obviously from the perspective of someone who played these games long after they released.
I think my favorite is Whismur, a sound based pokemon is neat and it's a very cute sad little man.
it is a cute sad little man, I agree
I conclude that normal is non elemental. Also to determine when normal was most dominant you should look to competitive play, which in that case it's gen 1 as the top 3 pokemon are normal
I'm sorry but I don't think you looked into competitive pokemon at all. Not a peep about mega kangaskhan being one of the most dominant pokemon in a particular generation of competition. Kinda makes this video seem like a Brady strategy guide.
you're right that I did not look into competitive pokemon - that's not at all the focus of the video!
I always thought 'weird,' should have been a type in gen I. I mean you have normal like; rats, bulls, birds, etc. But what is normal about a blob of jelly that can transform into anything, or a living amalgamation of code, so why not have weird as a type. In gen I it would have included; Ditto, Porygon, Likitung and acted as a second type for; Mr Mime and Jynx. And it could have included moves like; Tri-attack, Conversion, Disable, Lovely Kiss, Metronome and Mimic. It could have been super effective against; Psychic and ghost. While also being weak to; Psychic and Ghost. Just my own thoughts on it.
agree lickitung is not normal, and personally I think it should be the curse pokemon, because it's cursed
Mew should have been normal type, change my mind
I can see the case for this, but in generation one it would hardly make sense to be like "hey guys, super rare and exciting pokemon here, can learn any move, can only get one of it, also it's normal type"
Normal types are easily my favorite type. I love the stratigy that comes with a team of all normal types some of my favorite pokemon are normal (including my favorite, lickitung) I like how they can’t hit any type super effectively, but I think it’d be better if steel and rock didn’t resist and they weren’t weak to fighting. But overall it’s always a blast to do normal type nuzlocke. Love the deep dive! Excited to see what comes next
thanks! I think lickitung is kind of cursed, but normal types are good and fun to use
You should do a video next of whether or not pokemon match their learnset stereotypes. I can think of quite a lot of pokemon that can learn Quick Attack, who have less than 90 speed, yet some fast pokemon don't. I can also think of a few pokemon who can learn Dragon Pulse, yet do not have the stereotypical personality of dragon pokemon i.e. violent and powerful
not a bad idea, though I have lists and lists of ideas at this point so can't say I'll get to it anytime soon!
0:30 ah yes, zubat the normal type
I am genuinely surprised this is the first comment I've seen on this lmao
@tortoisecity I was surprised, too. Even had to double check zubats type because nobody mentioned it and I thought my memory was playing tricks on me
that's precious that you had to check lol
gen 1 is also the peak of normal types competitively, Chansey Tauros Snorlax is the big 3 of smogon OU, all Normal types.
can't argue with that, though arguably snorlax is the king always since it dominates in gen two so much
This was an interesting discussion. Part Normal typed Pokémon are so funny. "Oh that lion looking thing is a Normal/Fire type" "Why the Normal?" "It's just a regular animal. It breathes fire sometimes. Other times it's just being an animal. That's pretty normal."
yeah it's a regular lion, just also has a mane made of fire, it's fine
I never liked when people think the normal type is like the "sound type" or things like that. I think that's kinda silly. The way I define the normal type is as any pokemon that fall into these categories that I noticed: "Pokemon that are normal type because they're extremely common in many parts of the world" (like rats, birds, horses, bears, cows, rabbits, cats and dogs). "Pokemon that are normal type because of the things they do are extremely common" . Like eating and sleeping (Snorlax and Komala for example), dancing and singing (meloetta and jigglypuff), being unable to swim (azurril), cleaning (cinccino), being a mother (kanghaskan), being a grandfather (drampa), taking care of people (chansey's line), etc. "Pokemon that are normal type because they're based on things very commonly used by humans". Like toys, costumes, things to sleep well, solar panels (stufful, bewear, skitty, delcatty, helioptile, minccino, etc). "Pokemon that are normal type because they represent something commonly accepted by humans as a truth or things that are related to the world itself". Like weather (castform), metamorphosis (ditto), evolution (eevee), gods/religion (arceus), terraformation/movement of the continents (regigigas), year seasons (deerling line), aging (slakoth line,), technological advancements (porygon line), etc. If you look well, basically all normal type pokemon fit in at least one or more of these categories.
I like this line of thinking; it may be a bit broad for a definition of a single type, but I can't really argue against any of your categories
I would gladly remove Normal-type from the Pokémon themselves and let it exist only for moves, like an official "Typeless" move (no STAB and no effectiveness). All Normal-type Pokémon could be classified into other types, I feel like... Many could be Fighting because they're bulky/aggressive/strong (Snorlax, Tauros, Kangaskhan, Miltank...), birds could be Flying only, some could be Poison or Dark (Rattata, Lickitung, Meowth...), the pink cute ones are of course Fairies etc...
fair enough! I kind of like the ghost immunity, think it's kinda funny, but not a bad idea
Not a normal trainer but I had such a crush on Whitney.
last I checked whitney was a normal type trainer?
I will never understand how the Porygons, artificially-created Pokemon made from computer code and adjacent tech, is pure normal. it should at *least* be Normal/Electric!
arguably psychic too (comes from man's thought) etc, but tbh I kind of like them being normal, mostly because they're so good
My favort Powkmob is Normal typed. The original and still king of the normal typs Snorlax.
I love snorlax so much, so much fun to use, also just a great design
Normal is for when a pokémon isn't any other type. It's not elemental, like for fire, electric, grass, etc. It's not heroic enough for fighting type, nor is it evil enough for dark type. It's not magical enough for fairy, psychic, or dragon. It isn't dead, so it can't be ghost.
yeah I'd agree with this
Normal is my favourite. It has identity in using the other Types because its colorless. Somehow,Normal tend to be always harder than expected,because they rely on inherent bulkiness or special moves,rather than type advantage. Like how in RPGs you would find the token non magic character with higher stats or skills to compensate. I like to call it "The Giant"
Normal type to me is just Pokémon. Just anything that does not fit into the other types
sort of the default type, almost
Types are kinda weird. -What even is fairy for instance? The Kalos games claim it to have been "discovered recently", but how in the world do you not notice earlier than the "pure normal type" called Jigglypuff is somehow immune to Dragon type attacks and resistant to fire attacks when it shouldn't be?(Not to mention that later games kinda retconned the whole chronology by saying there is a seperate Mega universe and Fairies were known much earlier than X and Y. Oops) -Normal was originally supposed to be having no elemental power, the true "all rounder" basically, but that has been retconned into being its own elemental power as-of LA.(Notice how the normal plate never existed until that game, because it wasn't considered an element until then). -There was once a ??? type, which...well, it was only ever a visual thing on a single move and on Egg-displays and briefly considered for an Arceus form before being forever kicked out of the series in Gen 5. Unfortunate, really. -There is technically a typeless state now, sorta replacing the concepts of what Normal and ??? originally stood for. But it only finds actual use in Struggle and a handful of mons who are able to lose all their types in some way. All of this is so vague and undefined that the question is less "what is X type actually", it is more "what in the world even are types to begin with?"
totally fair points, and what are types may be something to dig into further in future. thanks for the comment!
Small corrections: Fairy type doesnt resist fire, fire resists fairy The reason there was no normal plate originally was because the purpose of plates was to change the type of Arceus which was normal by default
I know it wasn't the main point of the video, but i gotta heavily disagree with the starter pokemon part. Normal pokemon would make for absolutely horrible starters. Grass, fire, and water are the PERFECT starter trio types because they are extremely simple, easy to understand, and clear self explanatory introductions to the type advantage and disadvantage system. Also due to the design of normal type pokemon typically being. . . Well. . . Normal lol, there is less room for individuality which is also supposed to be a main selling point of each starter. Each starter has their own personality and flare for trainers to start with and choose something they feel they match or bond with best. Normal types just aren't able to accomplish the same tasks a starter pokemon needs to accomplish as well as fire, water, and grass does.
you make some fair points, and I don't disagree with what you say about the function of the typing, but it is logically inconsistent that Oak has these pokemon to hand that A) can't be found in the wild, anywhere, in the given region, and B) are somehow also exclusive to that region. makes way more sense to me that he'd just wander outside, catch something running around in the grass like a rat or a bird, and hand it over.
@tortoisecity story wise i definitely agree with that. The rarity of starter pokemon have always felt odd and inconsistent. My best guess is just for the sake of gameplay they sacrificed a bit of logic story wise lol
I mean the second you start looking into the logical consistency of pokemon games you run into brick walls, it dissolves almost immediately
What a special game ❤
it sure is
The thing of course is ice types arent known for being WEAK, theyre known for being BAD
they are definitely widely criticised for being bad
It's really not that bizarre of a concept. In a lot of other RPGs, there's different elemental types that are effective against each other, and then some form of "typeless" attack that is neutral against everything.
There are also some "physical" attacks that can be resisted by metallic enemies
all true, though once you start comparing pokemon to other RPGs (particularly those not made for children) you get into trouble fast
I like normal types for using in pokemon Walktrough, because they have versatile moves for beating every gym, e4 and champion.
LOVE the concept from the title alone!
thanks!
I think just like fairy and dragon, normal type is more like a "beast" type, in that it is a vague classification of what the species of pokemon are. A lot of normal types have a "wild animal" feel to them, and that also seems to be a big consideration on which pokemon gets a secondary normal type
There's very clearly two separate normal types. The pidgey/rattata/snorlax/tauros "normal animal" type and then the ditto/smeargle/porygon "I have no idea what this is so I guess it's nornal" type.
It's more obvious in normal moves, where like slash and tackle and growl are obviously normal things that normal animal would do if it got into a fight, but there are also moves like Encore or Follow Me or Disable or Substitute that are normal type because it doesn't really matter what type they are.
I would argue normal is there to be in tandem with fighting.
You also mentioned another stereotype in this video: Ground and rock being a common combination. Surprisingly there aren't many of them, specially after gen 2.
I may look into this kind of thing in a later video, because I've thought about it a lot before. thanks for the comment!
My favorite Normal type is Herdier because D O G
I do like herdier: simply dog
Only my favorite type
normal types are great
Gen 7 actually has the most amount of legendary Normal mons, Type: Null and Silvally for 2 compared to Regigigas being the only one in gen 4 (Arceus is a mythical, and as per the game freak leaks, we officially know that mythical and legendary are entirely separate, no "Mythical is a subset of legendary" or whatever)
this is technically true, and it might sound weird to say, but I don't super care about the distinction between mythical and legendary personally
A Pokemon being both Mythical and Legendary (because one is a subset of the other) makes a lot more sense to me than something somehow being both leaked and official.
I never really understood the exact way it is destinguished. What makes a mon "Illusory"(original japanese name) rather than legendary in-universe? It is for certain known that Mew exists because you cannot clone what does not exist(Ignoring all the random people who have seen or owned one, from the MC of Snap to the one guy in BDSP), yet it is an Illusory mon and the Sinnoh trio is NOT known to exist the way they do until the events of DPP, yet they are legendary. The way Gen 4 is set up, it also just makes a lot of thematic sense for Arceus to count as both, yet no can do I guess.
@lpfan4491 keep in mind that Mythical pokemon wasn't really an official term until gen 5 (as Cyrus referring to Dialga and Palkia as Mythical pokemon in gen 4 was just a localization thing afaik) so the term was kinda brute forced into meaning pokemon species that are prettymuch exclusive to events (except for Walking Wake and Iron Leaves for some reason but I think they just didn't think those 2 pokemon through)
afaik it has always been distinguished in Japan, but not in the english language games, so there is a resistance to correct after changing it in gen 5/6 since people (incl me to some degree) are too set in their ways at this point
I tend to avoid having normal types in my team, honestly to a point where I have to look up normal type match ups
I mean Normal probably has the simplest type match ups At least defensively
fair enough, they're easy enough to cast aside as default HM users (I still really like them)
I feel like the TCG's take on Normal, the "Colorless" type, is a better way of looking at Normal type Pokémon. It's not that "Normal" is an element, it's more like the lack of an element. They can pick up and learn a lot of different elemental abilities, but as they are, they have no element assigned to themselves. Half-Normal types have always seemed like "watered down" types. Girafarig is Normal/Psychic, because maybe only one half of it is psychic. Most bird Pokémon are Normal/Flying because their ability to fly gives them some air based elemental powers, but they're still overall not elemental. There's going to be exceptions to this, but this has been pretty consistent for my way of categorizing things.
I would generally agree with this assessment - thanks for the comment!
It is functionally an "element" just like any other type, though, in the main games. It is not truly neutral since it does have a weakness and some types are resistant to it and then ghost and normal are immune to each other. Using normal type moves with a normal type mon gets you the STAB bonus just like any other type. It seems thematically appropriate to view it as like a neutral type or non-type but it is in practice a type or "element" just like the other types.
This logic tracks. Pyroar, despite having fire powers, is confined into the body of a completely normal lion. Heliolisk has to generate its electricity from the sun, unable to create it by itself. Drampa is an old dragon, not as strong as some of the other ones. Swasbuck is just a deer with some vegetation on it. Most of them aren’t fantastical animals creatures, just regular animals.
I liked how Colorless was also for Flying and Dragon. Flying/Normal covers the Typeless/Animal aspect. Dragon covers the "secretly OP" aspect of non elemental. Dragons feel like natural evolution of animals,on top of the food chain. They can use elements without being one, so often associated with using Fire,Thunder and Ice. Making Dragon by itself gave this away.
I just came down to type basically this exact comment bur you got here first. Normal type is equivalent to Colorless in MTG (and is even called as such in the tcg)
normal types are the best pets
Yeah, Ursaring, Arceus and Bouffalant are great pets.
I would absolutely keep a large bear as a pet if I knew it wouldn't maul me, no doubt about it
9:29 it's nuts that horn attack didn't get retconed into a bug move by gen 2, specially considering that Heracross gets both it and mega horn since its debut.
that is super bizarre, it would have helped bug A LOT at that point in time (especially because bite got made into dark)
@@tortoisecity Well, Yes and no, Heracross and the Karrablast line are the only Bugs that get Horn Attack in all generations. So that would only help those two bugs.
correct, though ideally they'd both change it to bug and also give it to more bugs
Normal types are anything but normal
We love your videos ❤
bless you furball
I quite like the normal type because it funnily enough is probably the strangest type out of all of them. While yes, in terms of competitive, Normal is considered one of the worst. For playthroughs, I feel Normal types are quite helpful as they can usually deal good damage while having a good variety of coverage. I also just generally like the designs of Normal types too. They’re not the most flashy but that’s what I like about them. They’re usually just animals and I like that.
I did say in the video that many of them are plain, but many of them are really clever too - I super like the way that zangoose's lore builds into the scarring on its body in its design, I like that furret looks like a scarf
In japanese, normal type is calledノーマルタイプ (noumaru taipu), which gives us deep etymological insight as to the actual nature of normal type, as the japanese word ノーマル (noumaru) actually means and is mostly pronounced as "normal", which clears up much of the confusion as to what normal type could be
brilliant
looking into the etymology is actually super useful for understanding many pokemon, for example, I didn't really understand moltres until I learned its Japanese name
@@tortoisecitymolsan?
I like how it explained nothing
Provided zero insight lol.. and still confused about what normal type means after reading this😂😂
Normal has a lot of great Pokémon. They don’t always get my playthrough priority, but there is nothing inherently wrong with a lot of them. I’ve used Castform in my original Gen 3 playthroughs, Starraptor is a common Gen 4 pick, I intend on grabbing Cyclizar and Farigiraf the next time I go through SV. Normal’s just got a lot of nest Pokémon. Though looking at those last few type combos it’s definitely easy to see why they haven’t come up with one yet. I’m sure there are some very easy ideas, but their disadvantages are so precarious. Like, Ice/Normal instantly reminds me of Auraurus’s fragility as an Ice/Rock type. Ice tends to just make any Pokémon defensively worse and Normal doesn’t need that. In all other circumstances, the great thing about adding Normal is that you don’t lose anything because of its balance of 1 weakness and 1 immunity. But in the case of Ice, Rock, and Steel, you lose. You just lose.
I am just imagining the uproar and general negative reaction should they choose to introduce those last few normal type combinations
I remember as a kid teaching my older sister how to play Pokemon. I told her about “normal types” and she laughed because she didn’t get what that means lol
that's really funny lmao
Personlly I like when leaders do use repeat pokemon that shows them as being different, it shows you that individual pokemon can be raised in very different ways. It's something these games miss.
repeat pokemon could be very cool, especially for mons that can be built out as walls or attackers, or physical or special attackers, or similar, but scarcely do they actually give gym leaders/E4 these opportunities (this was one thing that BDSP did very well!)
Ah yes, the starter types. Easy mode, Medium mode, and Hard mode. Grass isn't as bad as the rest but, it's an starter type, you'd think it'd be a bit less, bad. Resisted by 5 types and weak to 7. Most grass pokemon tend to have very narrow movepools with little variance. And the strongest ones have to rely in some gimmick to match everyone else. They need, just a little bit more balancing. Make them strong to Fairy or something. I see a lot of people claim that Ice is totally fixed but, they went from the unquestionably absolute worst to... something that still feels so little.
I'm not super convinced that ice is balanced yet, but it's definitely improved - grass is still bad, given it's prominence in the starter trio
i once did an Earth Nation Avatar challenge (i.e. I can only use Pokemon which have ground, fighting, steel and rock as primary typing): I felt the "type stereotypes" so hard. almost every pokemon I had access to was either "slow physical wall" or "Physical attacker" (most of them were slow too). this run was quite painful for so long because you stack up so many weaknesses (ground, grass, water), almost all pokemon are slow and low special defense and you have literally 1 good special attacking option (Lucario). Guess what the first 2 gyms in that fangame were .... grass and water LOL
that's brutal, getting past grass or water in the early game with rock or ground type is really hard, no matter the game. sounds like a super cool challenge though! (with emphasis on the challenge)
Let it sink in that Blue is faster than every speedrunner in history.
Any% runners would like a word
One thing I can think of is Poison being a passive type where the Pokemon basically sit around and do nothing while inflicting status or doing team support, probably because before fairy was added Poison only hit one type super effectively and it was the least important one to do so, plus Poison moves were pretty bad until gen 4.
I can see the poison being a passive type for sure, but needed more resistances to successfully pull that off
@@tortoisecity With 5 resistances now (2 being really good in Fighting and Fairy) it's doing a lot better as a type that sits around and clicks Toxic
for sure - really helps that not as many things get toxic any more as well, means they have much more of a niche to fill
back in the day poison was seen as like the defensive counterpart of ice, but it got much better at like gen 5 and especially 6
9:21 Volcarona using Quiver Dance to sweep your booty:
volcarona was top of my mind when i was thinking about this, that and mons like yanmega, heracross, and others which are pretty good, but well above bug type average
I would love to see your data made public via Google sheets. I would also love to see the data tables sorted in such a way that we could quickly view the data including or excluding mega evolutions, legendaries, or pre-evolutions. I say this because I would personally believe a type’s merit should be reflected by the stats of the final stage evolution of all non-legendary, non-mega Pokémon. Maybe I’ll go on a spreadsheet spree myself if you choose not to make the table public…
fair enough! my data is not particularly sophisticated (blind to what the pokes are, for example, and only sorted into types) so sorting through manually for legends, megas, and pre evos would be an entirely new task, but is now linked in description :)
there's a distinction to be made too with like, how a type functions mechanically, and how the pokemon handle that mechanic. giving weighted rankings to each type and then analyzing those interactions tells you some about how they function rock has the defense stereotype but in reality is a weak type defensively and strong offensively. but a lot of rock type pokemon do have bulky stats... that play against them anyways that said one has to take some of the dialogue in context, like it may be really just telling you types before the category split, or its interactions with certain dominant types (normal, water) anyways fairy is overpowered better version of the glass-cannon type, no-sells the formerly overpowered type, better version of psychic in every way for some reason, weak to mainly defensive types, resists bug out of spite fairy is basically Better psychic
fairy definitely op, could be nerfed quite easily, and yeah all exists in context, including stereotypes
@@tortoisecity the worst is with ice, because it's supposed to be the almighty offensive type... with 4 very common resistances, and even its big hit is worthless because the strongest type does its job a million times better and its literal strongest moves are given to everything else the type itself is bad as a stereotype, and then the pokemon run all against it Fairy is basically Better Ice and Better Psychic
agreed, I remember when fairy came out and I thought it was really OP, despite there being several unbalanced types that either didn't function or could use nerfing, it was very bizarre to just add another OP type
@@tortoisecity when Fairy came out I just thought they were fixing the "stop making Dragon pseudos" problem by removing the Ice type from the game. _Then_ I saw the actual type chart and flinched (Honestly even the Dragon immunity seems too much, a resistance would be enough if they just, made less 1200BST Dragon types instead)