Loose Pinion Bearings? (Toyota Tacoma)

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  • This legendary Toyota Tacoma 4x4 has some rough driveline vibrations.
    The rear differential pinion bearings have quite a bit of play in them at 260k hard miles.
    What's the quick and dirty Russian Repair?
    PRACTICAL MECHANIC Diff Rebuild:
    • 2005 Toyota 4Runner Re...
    Enjoy!
    Ivan

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  • @boost351
    @boost351 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I've taken up the play like this with a rattle gun, on many landcruiser and hilux and never had any problems. Thanks for all your video 👍👍

  • @baxrok2.
    @baxrok2. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Very subtle adjustment, well done. I never would have shown that air filter to anyone! lol Thanks Ivan!

  • @fredshead3956
    @fredshead3956 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    When i was a kid about 50 years ago, fitted a new oil seal in diff pinion and didn't know anything about collapsible spacers and did the nut up with an air wrench, took the car up the road and it made heck of a noise, i overtightened it, car ended up with new differerencial...oh dear...Fred in England.

    • @BlindBatG34
      @BlindBatG34 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I did the EXACT same thing about 20 years ago. Learned a valuable (~$1000) lesson.

    • @fredshead3956
      @fredshead3956 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@BlindBatG34 Yes i never done it again lol

    • @gingin1050
      @gingin1050 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      If its over tightened will you hear hear a metal on metal chirping sound and random shuddering in the front end? 2008 jeep grand cherokee 166,000 miles

  • @TheThreeLeggedChair
    @TheThreeLeggedChair 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    when you post a car related video, i get all excited like a kid watching cartoons on saturday mornings back in the 90'S.

  • @pawemus3990
    @pawemus3990 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Keep going, keep going.... Ups snapped. Good job Ivan. Greetings from UK/PL

  • @ThePracticalMechanic
    @ThePracticalMechanic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I do the same thing when I come across a loose pinion. One of two results will happen: it will work great for years and years or it will loosen up again as the bearing wear out.

  • @DanWallis86
    @DanWallis86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Watching from Newman, Western Australia. 👍

    • @sandybarnes887
      @sandybarnes887 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      MALS!

    • @anuanuruddha631
      @anuanuruddha631 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Andrew (ASPW) recently went through your town to Point Samson. I get to see your area/town. I just looked more about your town (Armstrong way) and I see there is a good community living! Greetings from West Texas

  • @kc360awareness
    @kc360awareness 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice short video... right to the point.
    Plus I love hearing the Northern Flicker in the background.

  • @marty0715yt
    @marty0715yt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I'll bet his oil is a real Gem also. Probably have to chisel it out!!! Good customer!!

  • @dans_Learning_Curve
    @dans_Learning_Curve 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    1980 Dodge Colt front wheel drive. Lots of miles, front wheel bearings had slop. Put a dial indicator on it and measured the slop. Divided the amount by 2, used the surface grinder at college to reduce the thickness of the spacer. Drove it a couple more years until the body started falling apart.

  • @porky7753
    @porky7753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice little fix Ivan, every ounce of prevention = a pound of cure 👍

  • @ThePracticalMechanic
    @ThePracticalMechanic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thanks Ivan, the one I built was the none locker type but the process is almost identical other than the install and the removal of the locker actuator.

  • @ken85225
    @ken85225 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was researching pinion bearing forces (axial loads vs radial loads) and came across your video. Kudos to you for doing such a nice job of taking up the play and maybe getting many more miles out of it. 260k is already pretty good. ZUK the gear guy 😎

  • @SmittySmithsonite
    @SmittySmithsonite 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    He's got us beat by 1k miles over our '86 Grand Marquis! Nice!
    Amazing with all that slop, the thing STILL didn't leak a drop! If that was a Ford or Chevy, you'd be rebuilding the rear after it fried itself to a cinder due to lack of lubrication, lol!

  • @metoon3092
    @metoon3092 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great Video Ivan! I did chuckle when you used an old American slang term describing play at the pinion.
    Excessive play and " Slop ". Omg! Buddy that's old. Lol

  • @smokinjoe6924
    @smokinjoe6924 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    i have bean a mechanic 30 + years have done same adjustment 100's of times with no problems may not be the the proper way but seams to work with out having to spend a lot of money for nothing .keep up the good work

    • @cankiremit6600
      @cankiremit6600 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      hey guys is the ratoation clunch normal tho ? fill me in please

  • @likearockcm
    @likearockcm 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Well this video cements it👍. My '03 tacoma 4x4, 130k miles will live longer than me !!!!!!!!

  • @RussellBooth1977
    @RussellBooth1977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wouldn't count on the bearings not being worn out or even pitted.
    When the Dana M80 diff bearings started whirring & the gears started to get a tad noisy I replaced the bearings & reset the diff lash all by myself, the small pinion bearing had damage done to the inner race & ithe pinion bearings had lost all of their preload.
    As it goes with using unlapped & used gears you might get a bit of a whine like I did at 60 kilometres per hour (40 Miles per hour) but I don't worry about it.
    The solution is to replace the gears as they were a little bit noisy to begin with !

  • @ThePracticalMechanic
    @ThePracticalMechanic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That filter was rough, but I suppose it did the job. I've seen a few diesel trucks try to turn those filters inside out with less dirt than that. Thanks for the status update at the end.

  • @zx8401ztv
    @zx8401ztv 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Smashing :-D, way less slop and next to nothing in parts :-D
    How did the engine run at all with that filter blocked, the owner really needs to maintain it more often.

  • @charlesmiller5078
    @charlesmiller5078 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    Maybe Im wrong but aren't you suppose to wash your K&N and re-oil every you know 3 years or so, Im lost here. That looked like it was never washed, Thats kinda the selling point, wash and reuse.

    • @2nickles647
      @2nickles647 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yup..wash and wear

    • @n9wox
      @n9wox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Wash, oil, repeat.

    • @neilmurphy845
      @neilmurphy845 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes but most people don't I think it's pointless unless you actually tune the ECU there hot air intakes and only good if you want more induction noise

    • @ThePracticalMechanic
      @ThePracticalMechanic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yup. Wash, let dry and then apply the smallest amount of oil possible to give the filter a hint of red tint. The only problem is most over oil them and then the mass air flow sensor gets an oil bath in the first 100 miles as the filter sheds the extra oil. Lean running codes and low power as a result.

  • @themechanic6117
    @themechanic6117 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    10 years on any filter..... why ?

  • @darktoadone5068
    @darktoadone5068 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Sometimes you just have to peak and tweak until it looks and feels better.

  • @regularguy8592
    @regularguy8592 ปีที่แล้ว

    very helpful video ! I have exact same problem with 93 pickup going to try and tighten it tomorrow

  • @leedress2187
    @leedress2187 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Didn't the adjustment on the diff mess up the backlash? Sounded like there was a lot when you rolled it back and forth.

    • @ThePracticalMechanic
      @ThePracticalMechanic 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      It really depends on if the bearing are worn excessively. The back last adjustment on these is performed by turning the adjustors on the side bearings. That process is time consuming since the axles shafts and the differential pumpkin has to be removed from the axle housing. The back lash seemed like a bit much but cannot be measure by the pinion movement since when the pinion moves we have to take up all the slop in the rear end. Pinion to ring gear slop, spider gear slop and spider gear to axle shaft spline slop.

  • @robertb2468
    @robertb2468 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I use a 50/50 mix of USG dry wall compound mixed with 20/50 castrol synthetic for these old rigs.

    • @terryharvey4811
      @terryharvey4811 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      SAW DUST WORKS ALSO. FOR A WHILE. JUST ASK OLD CAR SALESMEN.

    • @smms5056
      @smms5056 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      👍👍

  • @kennethbode2017
    @kennethbode2017 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    keep on truckin

  • @Charles_Mulberry_7977
    @Charles_Mulberry_7977 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Nice hardworking Taco!

  • @marty0715yt
    @marty0715yt 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That original K and N never filtered better!!! It probably actually performed better clogged up, meaning it sucks when it's clean.

  • @AP9311
    @AP9311 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Very nice video. Great job taking up the slop! Be careful as the crush sleeve might be worse. Idk. At least it's maintained well. If you're happy, I'm happy! Hahaha! Great job!!

  • @simonrawle7885
    @simonrawle7885 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    did the same with a wheel bearing of the same design got 20.000 miles more out of it

  • @northernpatriot9078
    @northernpatriot9078 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    ivan im not sure its best to use an impact for this procedure what you think comrade ?

  • @arthurfricchione8119
    @arthurfricchione8119 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes Ivan the practical mechanic has an awesome channel. Another good one is the Hondamobilemechanic. Both excellent channels of course yours is included don’t know if I’ll ever work on a Genie Lol but they have the replace. Stay well Artie 😊 I wonder if thr ring and pinion gears are meshing correctly in the rear ended housing. I do know everything has to be shimmed correctly. Well I’m half way through the video so maybe there is bonus footage Lol

  • @bcad4066
    @bcad4066 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, they just send you a free filter if you never clean the old one? Sweet!

  • @HouseCallAutoRepair
    @HouseCallAutoRepair 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder how many of us Northerners are pulling up older footage? It's clearly not summer any more... lol

  • @bigdaddymak1439
    @bigdaddymak1439 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Karen and Nancy doesn't add HP but the sticker that adds at least 10 HP!!

  • @brandonlee3875
    @brandonlee3875 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think you did good that's how I did on my truck and probably put another hundred thousand miles on it since then and it's still doing good no noise oil looks good still, it was a loose like that not making noise or nothing not leaking I just took up the slack in it but mine did not have a crush sleeve in it it had the regular spacer I had to take it apart and I just ground a little bit off of it and tighten it back down and kept doing it till I got it right and reuse the same bearings and the reason I'm watching this right now is because on my BMW I was rebuilding the rear end and could not find one of those Crush sleeves anywhere so I tried to straighten out the old one a little bit and reuse it and I tightened it back down to where I thought was pretty close and I drove it and rechecked now I have metal in it well oil is dark color I don't know if it's just breaking in or what hopefully it's not too tight I do not want to chew the bearings up and I do not have one of those inch pound torque wrenches that they use to check them with so I just felt it by hand

  • @elevatingmindss
    @elevatingmindss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did that having slop in it cause the rear end to vibrate a bit? Or humm ? Good video

  • @mleindek
    @mleindek 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man a Tacoma with a frame that's not rotten is worth all the money, better repair that thing.

  • @honkie247
    @honkie247 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Actually, the inner races moved towards one another when tightening the nut. Not a fan of using an impact to tighten the pinion nut, it wrecks the roller bearings.

    • @jasperwafflewool1957
      @jasperwafflewool1957 ปีที่แล้ว

      Can you share some advice on a more precise option please?
      Bolts in the flange and a bar to stop it from moving and a ratchet?

    • @honkie247
      @honkie247 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jasperwafflewool1957 There are specially made tools to do just that. Yes, hold the flange from moving and use a ratchet with a long handle. Check clearances frequently to prevent over tightening.

  • @larryhurst8958
    @larryhurst8958 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I would like to see a factory video of how the differentials are set up at the manufacturer, it is a time-consuming project doing a GM rear, wonder how they solve the setup issue at Dana, etc

  • @watsok
    @watsok 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Using an impact wrench to tighten bearings is hammering them . Not good for long life...but at 200k miles...

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Almost 300k miles :) And the impact is only hammering the nut, not the bearings!

    • @ColtaineCrows
      @ColtaineCrows 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Meeeeehhh, it doesn't matter. If it breaks from an impact rattler it's gonna break from being used.

    • @watsok
      @watsok 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I believe the Pinion nut, crush washer, and pinion gear are all supported by bearings, and in service, rotate together. When the impact is hammering on the nut that energy is being transferred to the pinion, hammering it to the ring gear. The ring gear does not move but the high speed , point source impact at the one spot effects the ring and pinion introducing a wear spot. sorry for not being clear

    • @spelunkerd
      @spelunkerd 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Interesting to hear you say that, I've seen many professionals use an impact on the pinion. What I hear you saying is that an impact is OK with the ring gear out, when the tech holds the pinion stationary in his palm. I wonder how they do it in the factory. When the diff is already installed, there is no way to hold the pinion stationary with a hand. So there is extra stress on the ring gear/pinion interface. The pinion has some mass, and it doesn't seem to be so difficult to hold the pinion in a palm when taking up the slack with a short burp of the impact. Certainly it is easier than it would be to hold back a drive axle when a vehicle accelerates. Once the slack is taken up, energy goes into crushing the sleeve and resistance of the threads, and some of that resistance reduces the torque needed to hold the other end stationary. Like tightening a bolt, once it tightens down, the wrench at the other end often doesn't need to do a lot. So I would guess the strain on the ring gear teeth is small, but I don't know. The alternative is to use a long cheater bar, which would be really difficult without a lift....

  • @HR-wd6cw
    @HR-wd6cw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I would expect even a truck (Toyota for that matter) to need pinion bearings if it has 260k on it. Especially if it's been used for towing or hauling. This isn't entirely out of the ordinary. I've seen much worse on vehicles with fewer miles.

  • @danielostrander9431
    @danielostrander9431 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Will doing this change the position of the pinion to the ring gear in any way?

  • @ironman1518.
    @ironman1518. 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting that K&N sent a new filter. It looked like the owner NEVER washed and re-oiled it, which you Should do once a year or so. Just saying.

  • @Bunkysworkshop
    @Bunkysworkshop 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    So when are we getting together to work on my truck?

  • @jmcdrzero
    @jmcdrzero 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    what size nut of the pinion bearing? thanks!

  • @richardcranium5839
    @richardcranium5839 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    if the seal aint leaking leave it alone.

    • @Mad4Tracks
      @Mad4Tracks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It had vibrations remember

  • @edwardbella3871
    @edwardbella3871 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    that guy is like money in your bank account.

  • @seamusflan82
    @seamusflan82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    watching in Ireland

  • @kenyattapowell2212
    @kenyattapowell2212 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    My uncle 1996 mercury grand marquis gs is making a clunking sound when you put it in reverse and in drive. I thought it was the u joints but they're fine so the guy said it was the differential. The differential have play so can it be rebuild or he have to buy another differential?

  • @humbertovelarde7350
    @humbertovelarde7350 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have play on the front differential any ideas on that.

  • @stealthg35infiniti94
    @stealthg35infiniti94 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good Fix!....Was the differential fluid ever changed?

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I changed it a few months prior to this repair at 257k miles when the diff actually rusted through and began seeping oil haha. Drain, weld, and refill :)

    • @kc360awareness
      @kc360awareness 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics wow. I’m no Toyota fanboy, but that’s impressive. Great job in repairing these items using simple methods. In my world... we call that redemption.

  • @steveo6631
    @steveo6631 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    sweet fix Ivan... Eric O. has a good vid on a front diff rebuild also...

    • @HouseCallAutoRepair
      @HouseCallAutoRepair 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep. Check out his rear differential rebuild(s)
      1 on ETCG's Dad's truck, and the Chevy Nova.

    • @HouseCallAutoRepair
      @HouseCallAutoRepair 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The Nova 12"
      m.th-cam.com/video/5g7LD1VscuU/w-d-xo.html

  • @sagariaseiseb2820
    @sagariaseiseb2820 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What can I do if my pinion it's worn out

  • @mark98070
    @mark98070 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kendra & Natalie...Nice filter, although I'm not sure it's better than an OE filter

    • @n9wox
      @n9wox 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Worse filtration than paper filter. Watch Project Farm video.

  • @deborahchesser7375
    @deborahchesser7375 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are they bad about rear wheel bearings too ? Mine is making noise, damn the bad luck

  • @alihassoun1762
    @alihassoun1762 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have this problem in my front differential how I can fix this??

  • @rlowle1228
    @rlowle1228 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well that sucks. If it is my vehicle I'd have to replace everything from the diff to the front main seal.

  • @livewiregto
    @livewiregto 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Chris fix, is it you??

  • @kyle8380
    @kyle8380 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You should be measuring preload not "getting rid of slop"

  • @douglasjreynolds
    @douglasjreynolds 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would not tighten that nut and would not use an impact either. That diff needs rebuild.

  • @bobweiss8682
    @bobweiss8682 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you restake the pinion nut after tightening it?

  • @bucmowbamf7309
    @bucmowbamf7309 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Sounds like Chris fix..

  • @northernpatriot9078
    @northernpatriot9078 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    but ive only done one in my time a 96 suby legacy i had the dreaded 17 blinks

  • @IBenZik
    @IBenZik 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Filthy K&N filter. Poor maintenance. Clean it every 15,000 miles. It only takes 30-40 minutes if you dry the filter on a fan.

  • @dans_Learning_Curve
    @dans_Learning_Curve 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like #180
    Thanks for the video!

  • @utuber2940
    @utuber2940 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Loose pinion bearings on Toyota lift truck..yikes😵🤣🎄👍😀🤔

  • @throttlebottle5906
    @throttlebottle5906 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    front seal bad and front pinion bearing pitted and galled, maybe the rear also from water/salt ingress they'll often still feel pretty smooth and turn ok, but once taken apart, ugly ugly.

  • @ednorton47
    @ednorton47 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Doesn't that nut have a torque spec?

    • @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
      @PineHollowAutoDiagnostics  3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The bearing play is the important part :)

    • @Blazer02LS
      @Blazer02LS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      No, actually you use a torque gauge on the pinion flange to watch the torque it takes to move the bearing, once you get to that number you stake the nut in place. That sets the bearing preload, if you go too loose the bearings will make noise and start destroying themselves, go too tight and they will generate a lot of heat and burn themselves up.

    • @sumduma55
      @sumduma55 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Blazer02LS not only that, the more you tighten the nut, the more receccessed the pinion gear becomes. It throws the alignment of the ring gear off as it is set by the pinion position.
      I don't know if half a turn or more after this was set will make a big difference or not. But it will change how the gears contact each other and increase backslash.

    • @Blazer02LS
      @Blazer02LS 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sumduma55 It shouldn't do much in this case as it's been loose a while so the damage is done. As long as it stays quiet and doesn't get hot it should be OK.

    • @edwardspaccarelli5944
      @edwardspaccarelli5944 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Deez nuts? You tighten the pinion nut until you reach the proper rotational torque for the bearings. Since the bearings are worn, zero lash and zero rotational torque should be fine. Can’t be worse than all the slop ( lash ) that it had.

  • @VanekLarson
    @VanekLarson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Getting famous off comments day 191, so I can live the dream, live everyday like it’s your last day🚀🤙🚀

  • @michaelippolito6778
    @michaelippolito6778 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Guy dosnt know what he’s doing there’s a crush spacer if it’s sloppy it neeeds bearings yeahs going to far changing the backlash

  • @sierragormsen6834
    @sierragormsen6834 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to hear the problem sound, not your voice.

  • @wildman1137
    @wildman1137 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics
    If you have play in the pinion bearings, they are already shot. You don't just lose pinion preload unless the bearings are damaged. Even if the nut backed off, you need new bearings and a new collapsible spacer. Where is your beam torque wrench to measure pinion turning preload? This is a hack video, please show people how to do it the right way instead of damaging their vehicles further. Having a customer drive 15K miles on damaged pinion bearings is nothing to brag about.

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    @JacobLambeCarGuy 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

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