Watched a guy putting together, I think it was a Toyota diff, first time I had seen this, and wondered why all the manufacturers don't do it, It has a collar on each side that is threaded, so to move the ring gear closer to or a way from the pinion gear, all he had to do was adjust the threaded collars, seems like that would save a lot of time and frustration. Just thought I'd throw that out there, enjoyed the video, first time I ran across your channel.
Andy, I am about to put my pinion & bearings back in, and after watching other videos on YT, your video is best at explaining the how & the why. Thanks for the video, new sub.
Using a pull gauge is generally done with bolt on pulley [specified by maker for diameter ] a rope is wound around 2x then u use a spring weight pull gauge . Or u could use a dial type tension wrench showing in/lbs or .1Nm/1Nm
Awesome video. Im about to start fitting diff lockers at work, which I'm fine with, but its been about a million years since I had to strip and rebuild a diff. Great memory refresher and I learnt a couple of new things - would never have occurred to me to lap the collar...(we don't have a lathe in the workshop...yet!!
Nice choice of gloves Andy! Thanks for using TGC Nitrile gloves, would love to send you some freebies for your support this video was helpful as I'm rebuilding my first diff.
Hey, no problem, they are really good & last ages. Sure thing, that would be much appreciated :-) The address would be Andy Mechanic, Po Box 6265, Wellesley Street, Auckland. Post Code 1141 New Zealand
Okay fellas, lady, mechanics, how much Pinion gear ⚙️ wear is allowable before it needs replacing?? The only reason why I pulled my 2001 dodge 2500 4x4 rear diff apart was it was giving me bump nudge in reverse, it ran forward seemed okay, till I was in neutral and rear gear wiggled A bit , So it out pre-load Badley.
I couldn't agree with you more! There is nothing more thrilling than watching trains! How dare he!? I almost quit right then and there when he said that!!! LOL!
Andy, Why not turn and bore a piece of shafting, or other scrap, to the same dimensions as the shim? Next, part off several shims of varying thickness. You would have the shims you need without having to purchase them. Chevy uses a crush tube that reduces the overall length as the nut is torqued. Cheers from the States. Sincerely, Brían S. Du Bois
Can someone explain what he meant when he said that tightening the nut on the yoke would not affect the preload because the pinion has a fixed collar? Wouldn't tightening the nut bring the bearings closer regardless of whether or not there are shims?
Put the shin or shims between the head of the pinion gear and the bearing,( I get what he is doing, but I would think you would have to be really experienced to do it that way) Just about all the videos I've seen use a crush sleeve that comes with the set, so instead of having to take it all apart, to get preload, you just keep torquing the nut until you get the correct number, it can take up to 300 or even more pounds of torque to get it there, so if you're on your driveway on jack stands be very careful.
Correct. Each manufacturer has their own specs & that's the position Suzuki use for their 'SJ'. Diffs but you need to reference the service manual for the correct procedure otherwise the spec (load) applied is not correct. Cheers Andy
Andy, thank you for that guide for pre-load. I have always wondered what and how it was done. I have also heard the term backlash, is that the same or something else? Sam is getting more comfortable with tools too.
+Peter Andrews Morning Peter, yes backlash is an important setting between the crown Wheel and pinion and it's covered in the 3rd video due to be released in a couple of days :-)
Hi Andy! Thanks for the awesome video. I have a question about how do you transfer the units when you are using fish scale to measure pre load. They are weight units, but pre load is force units like inch lb or foot lb.
Ah, the method of measuring pre-load depends on the info provided by the Manufacturer in the service manual. Sometimes they give you load readings & provide info on where to connect the fish scale on the pinion flange (distance from centre - usually a bolt hole). Or they will give you a torque value in which case it relates to the amount of torque needed to rotate the pinion shaft using a socket on the pinion center nut. There will be a formula to convert one to another provided you know some measurements of the flange However, I don't have that formula but I'm sure a good maths degree student could advise Hope this is of some help Andy
When using the proper tool, that is an inch pound torque wrench, a steady turn is needed rather than the reading from the initial movement. I wouldn't trust this scale technique too much.
Thanks, however, the tool used to measure preload adjustment & the method employed does vary between manufacturers. It's not always a torque wrench that is used, nor a measurement taken from the pinion nut position. It's important to follow the manufacturers method of measurement otherwise the specs they provide will not be relevant. Cheers Andy
I removed only the nut and flange in order to replace the oil seal. Do I have to disassemble the entire differential now in order to set preload on the pinion gear? Can I set preload with everything still in?
it all depends if it has a crushable collar or fixed sleeve with shims between the two taper roller bearings on the pinion. if the latter you will be fine to just re-torque the nut otherwise a full strip. hope this helps Andy
@@AndyMechanic , well it is a 1960 MGA that has fixed shims, not crush. It has the spacer between the bearings, with the shims on the flange side between the spacer and bearing.
Tightening the pinion nut will not affect the preload on the bearings - it's the shims that do that. if once pinion nut is torqued up the preload is insufficient you need to remove a shim & reassemble & re-measure preload. However, depending on how the specs are calculated by the manufacturer (it varies between brands) preload on the pinion is often measured with the crown wheel removed otherwise your reading will include the preload set on the crown wheel bearings also.
Great stuff, thanks very much. Quick question about measuring the preload with electronic scales. My pinion preload should be 1.9Nm. Does that equate to 1.9 Kgs with one of these scales?
No. To measure yours it'll be a torque wrench connected to the pinion shaft nut. In the service manual is should explain the method used to measure as well as the spec. Hope this helps Cheers Andy
+Nathan Clevenger Hi Nathan, I think so, we have the Haynes Manuals in the UK and they have the diff specs usually so it's likely the Chilton ones do too. Cheers Andy
Hi Andy Great fun watching and great way of presentation that is in keeping with the DIYer approach and problems. Now the downer. Understand the attraction for interest retention with Sam and her Colleges helping but please please as this is instructional put her hair in a net or tied away so that it cannot fall forward when using power tools such as the Lathe etc. It's a horrible accident waiting to happen and it can so easily.
Haha! Well there are a few Tool Girls on the channel & this is Tool Girl Sam. From memory Tool Girl Jade featured in the previous videos published and TG Jade is scheduled to film again in a few weeks. Hope this helps. Cheers Andy
Hi Andy Are the pinion taper bearings usually "sloppy" before fitting or should the race be quite tight like a normal bearing? These are old taper bearings on an MGA diff and the play disappears when preload is app!ied.. New bearings needed? Visually they are fine..
Hi Ian, thanks for the feedback. The cage does have some movement even on brand new taper Roller bearings - very different to a ball bearing race where the cage is pretty much fixed. However, the more movement on the taper Roller bearing has its an indication as to wear of the taper rollers & the cage itself. If it's very sloppy then I'd replace. Hope this helps. Cheers Andy
I’m workin on my diff from my Ford ranger I had no idea about the preloads this video helped me a lot you the man Andy plus I had to watch a few times cause kept getting distracted by Sam damn she is hot I want a British girl I love the accent 👍
Because by tightening the nut you'd just be trying to crush the steel tube & shims - this is not the answer - the tube & shims are designed to keep a set distance between the two inner bearing races. The diff is designed such that you adjust this distance by adding or removing shims. Attempting to crush the tube would only cause damage - with this design. Other manufacturers like Suzuki use a stepped tube designed to be crushed to set preload however, this tube must be replaced each time the preload is set. Hope this helps Andy
Great video,will make my life so much easier to know how to do this. Not quite sure how Sam manages to keep her skirt so clean though. I mean there are no hand prints on her bum lol
Pinion depth is a different adjustment to preload. So yes, you still need to shim between pinion gear & inner bearing inner race to adjust pinion to crown Wheel tooth contact. Cheers Andy
+Andrew Thompson That's a good point Andrew & in my experience, there are less every year. I suppose it's just easier to get another diff than rebuild one
I just did one on an '05 Toyota Tacoma at the shop where I work. Just had chipped pinion bearings. Toyota dealer wanted $3000 to replace the entire differential. We bought the bearings and associated parts from the dealer for $260. Not tooting my horn here however. The point being is that the reality of why techs don't like to set up differentials is because the book flat-rate times are a joke - a sick joke at that. Honest times will induce honest interest on the part of techs to do more differential work. Get rid of the idiot number-crunchers in the auto business and professionalism will easily return. Greetings from the US.
+calbrit54 Great job & I agree with all you say. I had a Nissan D22 pickup and the limited slip diff turned into an open diff....clutch plates wore out. Nissan wouldn't fix it, just replaced the whole different under warranty....
calbrit54 I agree that book flat rates are a joke. I’m a diesel mechanic and some of the flat rates are ridiculously low. For example, to replace a wheel seal on a big rig the flat rate is a half hour. Now I could do it in that time but always take at least an hour because I like to inspect everything I pull out from the brake shoes/drums to the bearings to the torque nut and cone washers etc. Dealerships/chain shops just want the customers to get in and get out.
Setting up a diff, to watch as entertainment is going to be incredibly boring. On the other hand, if you need to know how to set up a diff correctly then I'm guessing this video will be rather helpful.... Thanks for your comment. Cheers Andy
Nop. It's the brake away torque on that diff. It does vary from each manufacturer - their specs in this case were very clear to measure it this way...same on the Suzuki 'SJ' series too. Cheers Andy
All good Mike. But you are right and it's important that people know that there are a range of methods - each manufacturer presents their specifications in their own way. That's why you need to have the service manual to ensure you are doing it correctly. Have a great day. Cheers Andy
thanks for that Video. but is it neccessary to have beautiful barely legal girls in those videos? half the time i cant help myself and my thoughts run off thinking why they would do that, what they get for that and in what relation they stand to you. this makes you look weird....
Thanks for the feedback. The assistants only feature in around 100 of the 600 or so videos. I feel it's a fair balance, some videos more technical than others. The Tool Girls have a sizable following on the channel so I feel it's only fair to continue their exposure, some have moved on with careers in modeling & TV adverts etc. Anyway, hope they didn't put you off too much. All the best Andy
She looks thrilled to be there
Outstanding Video Series for those who are looking to do this themselves. Nice Job Andy...you've made everything very clear.
It's always a pleasure to indulge in new knowledge, and understanding on a diff cperation...... Great Video.....
Watched a guy putting together, I think it was a Toyota diff, first time I had seen this, and wondered why all the manufacturers don't do it,
It has a collar on each side that is threaded, so to move the ring gear closer to or a way from the pinion gear, all he had to do was adjust the threaded collars, seems like that would save a lot of time and frustration. Just thought I'd throw that out there, enjoyed the video, first time I ran across your channel.
Yes you showed me how to set the pinon preload. Thank you!
not boring at all Andy , very interesting and Sam's a sweetheart cheers both of you .
Andy, I am about to put my pinion & bearings back in, and after watching other videos on YT, your video is best at explaining the how & the why. Thanks for the video, new sub.
Cheers JDPower, appreciate your feedback. Pleased you found the video helpful.
Welcome aboard! Andy
thank you for the thorough explanation on the subject... also thank
Sam for her technical help...Aloha Andy
Using a pull gauge is generally done with bolt on pulley [specified by maker for diameter ] a rope is wound around 2x then u use a spring weight pull gauge . Or u could use a dial type tension wrench showing in/lbs or .1Nm/1Nm
Awesome video. Im about to start fitting diff lockers at work, which I'm fine with, but its been about a million years since I had to strip and rebuild a diff. Great memory refresher and I learnt a couple of new things - would never have occurred to me to lap the collar...(we don't have a lathe in the workshop...yet!!
Nice choice of gloves Andy! Thanks for using TGC Nitrile gloves, would love to send you some freebies for your support this video was helpful as I'm rebuilding my first diff.
Hey, no problem, they are really good & last ages. Sure thing, that would be much appreciated :-)
The address would be Andy Mechanic, Po Box 6265, Wellesley Street, Auckland. Post Code 1141 New Zealand
Sam is so cute that i find it hard to pay attention to what you're rambling about.
Hahah
Okay fellas, lady, mechanics, how much Pinion gear ⚙️ wear is allowable before it needs replacing?? The only reason why I pulled my 2001 dodge 2500 4x4 rear diff apart was it was giving me bump nudge in reverse, it ran forward seemed okay, till I was in neutral and rear gear wiggled A bit , So it out pre-load Badley.
they should build the adjustment into the housing to avoid all the extra crap, nice job!
Sam's lovely enjoy watching her great video once again cheers Ross from Christchurch
Covers everything in detail...thanks
Wait a minute? Watching trains is boring??? Them fighting words friend!
👊🏽👊🏽👊🏽🥊🥊🥊
I couldn't agree with you more! There is nothing more thrilling than watching trains! How dare he!? I almost quit right then and there when he said that!!! LOL!
Great video as always a brilliant teacher....thankyou
Andy,
Why not turn and bore a piece of shafting, or other scrap, to the same dimensions as the shim? Next, part off several shims of varying thickness. You would have the shims you need without having to purchase them. Chevy uses a crush tube that reduces the overall length as the nut is torqued. Cheers from the States.
Sincerely,
Brían S. Du Bois
Can someone explain what he meant when he said that tightening the nut on the yoke would not affect the preload because the pinion has a fixed collar? Wouldn't tightening the nut bring the bearings closer regardless of whether or not there are shims?
Put the shin or shims between the head of the pinion gear and the bearing,( I get what he is doing, but I would think you would have to be really experienced to do it that way)
Just about all the videos I've seen use a crush sleeve that comes with the set, so instead of having to take it all apart, to get preload, you just keep torquing the nut until you get the correct number, it can take up to 300 or even more pounds of torque to get it there, so if you're on your driveway on jack stands be very careful.
It's clear Sam's the expert. You Andy, need to step it up a bit. :-)
Why didnt I see you add the 2nd outer bearing after 32mins Andy? Otherwise a superb learning experience! You are a fantastic teacher!
Brilliant, not bored at all.
Good idea using a fish scale. Attached 1 inch from the center
Correct. Each manufacturer has their own specs & that's the position Suzuki use for their 'SJ'. Diffs but you need to reference the service manual for the correct procedure otherwise the spec (load) applied is not correct.
Cheers Andy
Andy, thank you for that guide for pre-load. I have always wondered what and how it was done. I have also heard the term backlash, is that the same or something else? Sam is getting more comfortable with tools too.
+Peter Andrews Morning Peter, yes backlash is an important setting between the crown Wheel and pinion and it's covered in the 3rd video due to be released in a couple of days :-)
Thanks for your great video! Just wondering what that differential was out of?
Oh, it was a light truck from memory. Came from Unitec so I don't know the actual vehicle unfortunately
Thanks!
Were do I get a Sam
How much to get Sam to set my preload?
1.9 what Unit is it in Kg/cm or what? Please
Hi Andy! Thanks for the awesome video. I have a question about how do you transfer the units when you are using fish scale to measure pre load. They are weight units, but pre load is force units like inch lb or foot lb.
Ah, the method of measuring pre-load depends on the info provided by the Manufacturer in the service manual. Sometimes they give you load readings & provide info on where to connect the fish scale on the pinion flange (distance from centre - usually a bolt hole). Or they will give you a torque value in which case it relates to the amount of torque needed to rotate the pinion shaft using a socket on the pinion center nut.
There will be a formula to convert one to another provided you know some measurements of the flange
However, I don't have that formula but I'm sure a good maths degree student could advise
Hope this is of some help
Andy
When using the proper tool, that is an inch pound torque wrench, a steady turn is needed rather than the reading from the initial movement. I wouldn't trust this scale technique too much.
Thanks, however, the tool used to measure preload adjustment & the method employed does vary between manufacturers. It's not always a torque wrench that is used, nor a measurement taken from the pinion nut position. It's important to follow the manufacturers method of measurement otherwise the specs they provide will not be relevant.
Cheers
Andy
Thanks. Respect, sir.
Are you from Hull? and why do you keep mentioning Flange while you missus is standing next to you
thank you sir for this amazing video this is really helpful
Great video! Thanks Andy!!
Can you tell us what pre load tool you are using there please?
Oh it's just a digital scale I'll post a picture on my instagram for you...
Thats great....Whats an instagram??
Ah....Okay. The pic is on my Facebook too..... Andy Mechanic - link in the banner on TH-cam channel. If that will work?
I removed only the nut and flange in order to replace the oil seal. Do I have to disassemble the entire differential now in order to set preload on the pinion gear? Can I set preload with everything still in?
it all depends if it has a crushable collar or fixed sleeve with shims between the two taper roller bearings on the pinion. if the latter you will be fine to just re-torque the nut otherwise a full strip.
hope this helps
Andy
@@AndyMechanic , well it is a 1960 MGA that has fixed shims, not crush. It has the spacer between the bearings, with the shims on the flange side between the spacer and bearing.
Perfect. Easy job then, you can just re-torque the pinion nut :-)
@@AndyMechanic , it still calls for a preload though of about 9in lbs. The torque is like 140 ft.lbs. does that sound right?
Tightening the pinion nut will not affect the preload on the bearings - it's the shims that do that. if once pinion nut is torqued up the preload is insufficient you need to remove a shim & reassemble & re-measure preload. However, depending on how the specs are calculated by the manufacturer (it varies between brands) preload on the pinion is often measured with the crown wheel removed otherwise your reading will include the preload set on the crown wheel bearings also.
Great stuff, thanks very much. Quick question about measuring the preload with electronic scales. My pinion preload should be 1.9Nm. Does that equate to 1.9 Kgs with one of these scales?
No. To measure yours it'll be a torque wrench connected to the pinion shaft nut. In the service manual is should explain the method used to measure as well as the spec.
Hope this helps
Cheers Andy
I love my Miller252 lockers :-)
Will the Chilton repair manuals have the specs in them? If not where do I find them? So far searching online has been fruitless.
+Nathan Clevenger Hi Nathan, I think so, we have the Haynes Manuals in the UK and they have the diff specs usually so it's likely the Chilton ones do too.
Cheers Andy
Hi Andy Great fun watching and great way of presentation that is in keeping with the DIYer approach and problems. Now the downer. Understand the attraction for interest retention with Sam and her Colleges helping but please please as this is instructional put her hair in a net or tied away so that it cannot fall forward when using power tools such as the Lathe etc. It's a horrible accident waiting to happen and it can so easily.
Who is the bird and what happened to the last one??
Haha! Well there are a few Tool Girls on the channel & this is Tool Girl Sam. From memory Tool Girl Jade featured in the previous videos published and TG Jade is scheduled to film again in a few weeks.
Hope this helps.
Cheers Andy
Hi Andy
Are the pinion taper bearings usually "sloppy" before fitting or should the race be quite tight like a normal bearing? These are old taper bearings on an MGA diff and the play disappears when preload is app!ied.. New bearings needed? Visually they are fine..
Hi Ian, thanks for the feedback. The cage does have some movement even on brand new taper Roller bearings - very different to a ball bearing race where the cage is pretty much fixed. However, the more movement on the taper Roller bearing has its an indication as to wear of the taper rollers & the cage itself. If it's very sloppy then I'd replace.
Hope this helps. Cheers Andy
Someone buy this girl a Milwaukee impact
I’m workin on my diff from my Ford ranger I had no idea about the preloads this video helped me a lot you the man Andy plus I had to watch a few times cause kept getting distracted by Sam damn she is hot I want a British girl I love the accent 👍
@19:31 you say we don't have a torque wrench ???
Very good job
Cheers Andy, Ive set up my diff brilliantly :p Where do I find specs for Bmw diffs? Cheers.
JESUS!! ITS YOU..
I did not know snap-on made a fish scale...?
How much do you pay "The Models" to be in the videos??
Oh that's secret ;-)
@@AndyMechanic They are worth it.. LOL..
I have a question for you: why not tighten more the nut instead of putting a thinner shim when you saw that the preload was too low?
Because the sleeve is solid, you'd only be trying to crush steel. That's why you must change the shim thickness
How do you know when you've tightened pinion nit fully before reading preset when using solid spacers and shims
Because by tightening the nut you'd just be trying to crush the steel tube & shims - this is not the answer - the tube & shims are designed to keep a set distance between the two inner bearing races. The diff is designed such that you adjust this distance by adding or removing shims. Attempting to crush the tube would only cause damage - with this design.
Other manufacturers like Suzuki use a stepped tube designed to be crushed to set preload however, this tube must be replaced each time the preload is set.
Hope this helps
Andy
Ah, because the torque on the pinion nut massively increases once the gaps between the tube & shims has been taken up
@@AndyMechanic no I still don't understand how to tell how many shims to add or take away to achieve proper pre set
Great video,will make my life so much easier to know how to do this. Not quite sure how Sam manages to keep her skirt so clean though. I mean there are no hand prints on her bum lol
thanks Andy I subbed. Good stuff!
Cheers & pleased you found the video helpful :-)
boring, but you manage to make it interesting
So if you have a crush sleeve u don't need pinion shims
Correct but remember you need to use a new crush sleeve if you fit new bearings. Cheers Andy
Andy Mechanic thanks
Andy Mechanic so all I need to do is check the preload with a torque wrench I don't need to check the pinion depth
Pinion depth is a different adjustment to preload. So yes, you still need to shim between pinion gear & inner bearing inner race to adjust pinion to crown Wheel tooth contact. Cheers Andy
Andy Mechanic thank you I understand now
thank you...
I am trying to focus and listening what your saying but i keep looking that cute face.
I concur good Sir....
This is not boring for sure but I can’t focus 🧐
Subbed for knowledge and for sharing it, and at least get that poor girl into some coveralls lol
Loose clothes and hair near a lathe, that's OSHA approved as long as it's loose morals involved.
Umm nooo, get her outta all clothes!
Hard to pay attention with that gorgeous girl lubing everything up, I'll have to watch this 10 times and maybe I'll get it.
I like trains!
The girl doesn’t look too excited about doing this
So scared! But Sam did a great job that day...very trusting :-)
I wonder how many technicians can do this job these days.
+Andrew Thompson That's a good point Andrew & in my experience, there are less every year. I suppose it's just easier to get another diff than rebuild one
I just did one on an '05 Toyota Tacoma at the shop where I work. Just had chipped pinion bearings. Toyota dealer wanted $3000 to replace the entire differential. We bought the bearings and associated parts from the dealer for $260. Not tooting my horn here however. The point being is that the reality of why techs don't like to set up differentials is because the book flat-rate times are a joke - a sick joke at that. Honest times will induce honest interest on the part of techs to do more differential work. Get rid of the idiot number-crunchers in the auto business and professionalism will easily return. Greetings from the US.
+calbrit54 Great job & I agree with all you say. I had a Nissan D22 pickup and the limited slip diff turned into an open diff....clutch plates wore out. Nissan wouldn't fix it, just replaced the whole different under warranty....
calbrit54 I agree that book flat rates are a joke. I’m a diesel mechanic and some of the flat rates are ridiculously low. For example, to replace a wheel seal on a big rig the flat rate is a half hour. Now I could do it in that time but always take at least an hour because I like to inspect everything I pull out from the brake shoes/drums to the bearings to the torque nut and cone washers etc. Dealerships/chain shops just want the customers to get in and get out.
Is Sam still in high school?
Nop
Tell blondie to wipe that bugger off her lip.
Why don’t you spend 12.00 and get a shim kit
I'd definitely do that if I were rebuilding diffs on a regular basis :-)
Andy Mechanic I do it for all of the the 53 Willy’s I’m working on takes three sets
Boring as watching cars rust as we use to say. He said watching trains some of the good art isn't bad. Lol
Setting up a diff, to watch as entertainment is going to be incredibly boring. On the other hand, if you need to know how to set up a diff correctly then I'm guessing this video will be rather helpful....
Thanks for your comment.
Cheers Andy
and measuring breakaway torque on the pinion preload is incorrect.
You must measure the rotating torque!!!
Nop. It's the brake away torque on that diff. It does vary from each manufacturer - their specs in this case were very clear to measure it this way...same on the Suzuki 'SJ' series too. Cheers Andy
my appologies sometimes im a stupid yank...
All good Mike. But you are right and it's important that people know that there are a range of methods - each manufacturer presents their specifications in their own way. That's why you need to have the service manual to ensure you are doing it correctly.
Have a great day. Cheers Andy
u need to step it up a bit
thanks for that Video. but is it neccessary to have beautiful barely legal girls in those videos?
half the time i cant help myself and my thoughts run off thinking why they would do that, what they get for that and in what relation they stand to you.
this makes you look weird....
Thanks for the feedback. The assistants only feature in around 100 of the 600 or so videos. I feel it's a fair balance, some videos more technical than others. The Tool Girls have a sizable following on the channel so I feel it's only fair to continue their exposure, some have moved on with careers in modeling & TV adverts etc.
Anyway, hope they didn't put you off too much.
All the best
Andy
THAT HAT IS TOO SMALL
I wish I had a hot chick in my she'd. Damn
Not to impressed.