Here after namjoon acknowledged his past mistakes in an interview in front of the president. To admit that he was problematic at the UN and to look more into why you were called problematic in the first place is brave and commendable. I personally think he is very reflective and an open minded person and is willing to learn and am glad he is like that.
Yes as long as he never did it again and actually educated himself then I have no issues with him at all at least he learned never to do it again then other idols who kept doing the same problematic stuff 💀
I was rlly proud of him for doing that! But I do think he needs to reflect on his racist past openly as well. Like in a similar manner he did in the UN
well everyone have diffrent morals views (don't attack me, idk anything about nct. or what they did. i'm just saying that morals or view are really subjective)
Also, am I the only one who noticed that when San E was in Sixteen, he made Sana very uncomfy by saying that she was trying to "flirt" with him like MAN AINT NOBODY WANTING YOU
Fun fact: You can stan a group and still hold them accountable. NCT are one of my ults yet every time they have an incident such as cultural appropriation, racial issues, or colorism, I hold them accountable if I morally believe it’s their fault. However, it’s okay to unstan if you’re uncomfortable.
literally...with the Lucas mess I was willing to believe it was lies with how much credible evidence there was to discount the claims, until EVERYONE came out of the woodwork with claims and allegations that Did hold up. especially after the s/a allegation came out, I wasn't gonna stand by being a fan of a man that a) doesn't know me personally and b) doesn't need me, a random person on the internet, to defend him when he can hire lawyers to do that. people forget that idols are not only human, but that we /dont/ know them personally and therefore we owe them Nothing, especially when it comes to such serious allegations. we didnt sign a contract to passionately defend them at any cost, so why do people carry on like they did?
I want to ask something bcz i really don't know anything about this.. pls don't misunderstand.. What is colorism? I mean if someone use black color or something then does it mean racist/racism? Actually i couldn't understand the nct thing..can you pls explain if you don't mind?
@@Manic-Pixie-Dream-Ghoul how are they problematic like srsly what I am Indian and none of it was offending they did not once make fun of anything like come in yall
@@ninimonae7929 theyve mocked desi/indian people countless times, jisoo and rose both mocked an indian dance on a radio show, jennies D4 pic wearing indian jewelry and the hylt set having inappropriate statues. educate urself before u try to defend ur faves 🌚
I will say this about namjoon, I think it's more noble and admirable to admit to ones faults and see that your behavior and actions can affect others, I found his "apology" to be apt on the grounds that he simply didn't apologize, which anyone can do in sincerity or abstaince of sincerity, but rather took responsibility for his actions and words, which most people don't do
Agreed. He didn't apologize properly. But he didn't repeat his mistakes again. Hoping he would apologize in the future. Many people want him to apologize properly.
@@user-fc5jb8gz6y yes, but he acknowledged that he could do better and never did the same mistake again. humans learn as they grow, I understand that rm must've had enough common sense and yet he still made a mistake but he may have overlooked the mistake accidentally cuz no leader would want their group to go thru tough times. And ironically, now I'm a person that was inspired by his forever rain song.
realizing what you did wrong and admitting it and growing and never making the same mistake again is so much more important than "im sorry" seriously like namjoon even talked about it at the UN. this is more than what any other idol has done, but y'all are just not ready to accept that
yeah seriously! We ALL make mistakes!! Everyone does!! except for idols it's caught on camera and people are way harder on them. Just because you say something offensive without knowing it is, doesn't mean you mean it. For the others idk because idk enough about them. But Namjoon acknowledged everything and evolved, which is the best thing anyone could do. It's good that this video is making people aware about what idols have done wrong in the past, but this cancel culture is killing me. Like, I've heard many people around me saying some things that could be a bit problematic but it's because they don't know. Honestly, if we had to cancel everyone who says one bad little thing, we would all be cancelled. Your reaction after it is what matters! Being educated and acknowledging your mistakes and wanting to do better is what matters to me. not for everything tho like if you kill someone or something 😂But for Namjoon's case, I know he's evolved, learned and that's what matters. We should seriously stop cancelling people for one little thing. I'm not even saying that bc I love BTS, it's just...If you cancelled every person around you who has done or said one little thing like that, you would be all alone. And also, by saying all that, I'm not saying I don't blame them for what they said or did. Not at all, it's just that I don't think they all deserve so much punishment. And as for the Jessi thing, what is wrong with her darkening her skin? Literally so many people do that, even Ariana Grande! >I don't think it's a probem, like, let the people do what they want? 😓Sorry for that long reply 😦
Y’all need to stop tryna tell black people how to feel for once. If she doesn’t think it’s a good apology about him appropriating HER CULTURE, then she doesn’t have to accept the ‘apology’
@@seulgisknife8155 I am not telling them or forcing them to accept his apology, but as a black person I have seen how much he has changed and learned from his mistakes and how many times he's said that he regrets and hates his past self all of that and accepted it. don't wanna accept his apology? fine. but there's no need to keep bringing it up when it was like 6 years ago and he hasn't done anything since then like that which shows that he meant what he said it's ridiculous at this point
@@dearartms i wouldnt say their evil but the amount of times theyve done blackface, cultural appropriation, saying the n-word is really problematic. im aware that people can learn from their mistakes and become a better person, (even mamamoo) but they had many opportunities to listen to the backlash they were getting from black people and stop doing ignorant stuff, but yet they keep making the same mistakes over and over again. which tells me that they dont care to look up the history of the n word and why its so offensive, or blackface, durags, etc. Im mainly talking about Hwasa because shes the main one that does this stuff consistently.
@@jadabrown1455 i really respect your opinion i really do and i definitely see how it looks for someone when u write down the "crimes" but again the lack of context is making them look like villains. yes they did blackface, it was ignorant and they apologised 5 times. cultural appropriation i don't really remember if they ever done that? and n word, that was with one member - she was at radio station and they gave her explicit version of Beyonce song. she didn't know english so she was just reading off the paper what they gave her. so i don't think she was intentionally trying to say racial slurs. about durag, she saw it in rihanna fenty collection and even non black people wore it on advertising so she probably assumed she can wear it too. again u can read about it on mamamoo_debunked twt. and they never did their same mistakes twice? from where did you get that?
@@dearartms I appreciate the outside sources and I'm glad I'm having this conversation with someone. I will say it was completely unnecessary to add "crimes" to you're response. I never said they were but I did say that they were offensive and problematic. As a black women its hard trying to stan groups and invest so much time and money to later find out that they do these hurtful things. I also don't think you have the right to forgive kpop artists when it comes to racism and cultural Appropriate against black people. You aren't affected by these issues. I'm not trying to change you're mind obviously, but I want you to see a different point of view.
@@jadabrown1455 sorry for late reply! the crimes was indeed unnecessary i unfortunately had this word first in my mind and since english isn't my first language, i failed to find better fitting word. but also the way people talk about mmm and what they did, they act like they r coldblooded murd3r3rs or something... obviously what they did was problematic and offensive and that cannot be brushed off. but it's also important to note that what they did was really just ignorance and not trying to be actually racist? like you know the people who see someone and just start being nasty, saying awful stuff etc? i don't think mmm would ever do that like they are pretty open about their love for black and brown artists, for example Bruno Mars beyonce rihanna weekend etc. like do you think racist awful person would be fangirling over Beyonce? hard to believe. i don't know what groups you stan but unless they are like super nugu, there is likelihood that they probably did something offensive and same for western artists. you obviously don't have to stan anyone problematic and i can imagine how hard is it after they do something problematic. i never said i forgave mmm, it's not my place to do that. i just did research, looked at context and assumed that they really weren't trying to mock and hurt anyone. i totally see, respect your opinion and agree with it. i am not affected by what they did but that doesn't have to stop me from discussion? like yeah big floods and tornado in [insert country] is not personally affecting me but that doesn't mean i can't feel sad about it or try to somehow help them, yknow? thanks for the discussion tho, it's nice to see someone who is willing to do that
Also sorry for write this after 3 moths that discussion ended, but I really want to share this video bc I'm tired of people calling them problematic when they actually trying to educate themselves, as they don't do this type of actions since they've did it (thanks for be open to discussing civil about this topic)
People need to realise that not everything is about the US. The words like 'cultural appropriation' or 'blackfishing' and their meanings literally don't exist in most countries outside america. They are not in the vocabularies, they just don't exist and nobody sees it as something out of ordinary. Especially in asian closed off countries such as korea, of course it happens. What matters is that idols stop doing it after being called out. They don't know until somebody tells them. However, times are changing and people are learning about the words trough social media, so fans have the right to keep the new gen of kpop idols up to a higher standard
True, as long as they don't do it again then it's good. Many situations are just them being ignorant and not racist, which means that they're not entirely bad people, and just need to learn more.
Thank you! Finally someone said it. Like the world doesn’t revolve around the western countries. I literally had an argument with someone online that not everyone knows what the n word means because they don’t speak English. I agree we should educate idols about this but sometimes they literally just don’t know
Yes, this ! I'm north african, and the cultural appropriation stuff is still very confusing to me, what's wrong with wearing other cultures's items ? Isn't that a good thing ? And for blackfishing, not everyone knows the history of the US, as you said, the world doesn't revolve aourd the US. It's mostly ignorance and lack of education than racism.
I feel like y’all are very blind to the fact that korea itself is very colorist .. you see it from interviewers and random people all the time . Regarding Asian beauty standards your skin must be white , so white that you look like a dead person . That is the main beauty standard in Asian culture and it has been for centuries. Although these colorist “jokes” are very much normalized in Korea which isn’t okay at all and Korea is just now learning about other races and what is and isn’t offensive . I feel like we can hold our favorite idols accountable for the things they do but also to keep in mind why they think the way they do and the surroundings the grew up in . But in terms of black stereotypes that’s something we need to stop people from giving in to , not just to these idols but we need to stop them bye reaching beyond idols
I think people who are Kpop fans can’t escape the fact that Korea is colorist Doesn’t make it okay Again, just because everyone is doing it, doesn’t make it right It’s a shitty ideology on its own, regardless of racism If Korea could prove how it’s useful to their society…, but they can’t because it’s not They can get rid of it, just like the anti gay sentiments And I’d rather fans condemn the practices than give them a pass Hopefully that will lead the artist to change and hopefully enough of them have enough influence over the rest of society People in the states are bigots, for various reasons And I’d expect any fans, even foreigners, of US artists to call them out on it
@@p0rnany0ne whose giving them a pass ? I said it wasn’t right, but be mindful of the way that korea has impacted there way of thinking . And that’s no excuse but I’d like people to keep in mind because when it comes to this topic people want to act shocked to all of this
I'm so glad you included the fact that he disrespected Islam in the Jay Park section, people usually ignore the disrespect idols do to Islam. Even when they're talking about an idol who did a lot of stuff including Islam but don't mention it. It's like it doesn't matter. Thank you! Literally made me hit a like 💖
@Mee_ki ok and? People should still be educated enough to know that disrespecting religions isint good. Especially when someone from that religion hasn’t done anything to you.
@@idk_23-t3d There's nothing wrong with criticizing organized a religion or idea. Whereas, being bigoted against its followers is. Don't expect everyone to agree with your religious views/ideas, because the world doesn't revolve around you. Where it does cross the border, is when you're actively prejudiced against its people.
@@luisannydelanuez334 Lol there's a fine line between critizing a religion vs it's people. You don't need anyone from a specific religion doing something wrong to criticize it. Like you are criticizing an ideology, not the people. It's the same as disliking a book you read. Does that mean you hate the readers of that book? No. And if you're a reader of a book and are offended by it's criticism, then you need to grow up and realize everyone has different opinions. Freedom of speech, you guys. And not saying that hating the followers of said religion, or being racist, sexist, etc. is included as freedom of speech, just hate speech at that point... For example I am an atheist and I dislike the religion I was brought up in, but I see followers of that religion all around me, every single day. I don't hate them. Just not a fan of their ideology.
@@runpheonix9926 i see, but that’s not what I was saying. If you hate religion, try not to bring down those who like it or who follow it. The Jay Park thing is a good example, God is very much real to us, and him asking people to worship him like we worship God is just offensive, doesn’t matter if he respects the people or not. And like you said, you can respect the believers, but just because you don’t like religion it’s self doesn’t mean that your should disrespect it because it offends the followers, whether you intended to or not. But I do think some aspects of religion should change, we need more freedom, and we need to stop sending people to hell, cause only God can do that. I’m very sorry about your experience with religion, I truly am 💜
you know what's funny? the person who edited this video gave reasons to why can't they stand those idols, and most of them are understandable reasons, BUT how can someone have issues with idols being racist and doing cultural appropriation but, when their favorites are doing both of these things like the girl in their profile picture, they completely ignore it? 🤔 where is this energy when blackpink are constantly being cultural insensitive? what about lisa overusing aave in her verses? these 4 girls being appropriating different cultures as much as nct and yet I don't see them in this video..make some sense PLEASE
@@triplej8666 they never said he did, but that he has taken responsibility for his mistakes and hasn’t done anything problematic in years unlike bp every cb
I think it's an issue of their mono-cultural values clashing against our multi-cultural ones. These idols grew up with everyone around them saying that those thoughts are normal. That's why they say things without shame. Nobody has to challenge ignorant thoughts if everyone is saying it's okay, which is different from our culture where we have diverse schools of thought in constant war against each other. When k-idols go on a show and say something ignorant and then the grown-ass adult hosts echo the same sentiment it makes my blood boil, but as a life-long anime fan (in the 2000s the anime scene was like the wild wild west of political correctness), I learned how to find a balance between having my own thoughts on things, understanding my place as a guest in someone else's culture, and sticking up for things that really matter. International fans are viewing media from another culture that is not catered to us. In the west, we're used to debating stuff out and tbh we're likely to have subconscious colonialist attitudes, where if we don't like things about another culture we'll muscle in and tell them how to run things. I don't think it's our place to do that with Korean culture. However, that doesn't mean we have to lap up the blatant ignorance either. We have to do what we think is right while understanding that we're just a viewer of someone else's culture.
I think this topic is too mature for kpop stans lmaoo like they cant think this deep. But if kpop wants to appease the international fans theyll have to learn🤷♀️
ic ur point i truly do BUT if it's inherently offensive, we still gotta call them out. Like for example, colorism. As a south asian, colorism is problematic but it's also super ingrained and normalized to the point a lot of south asians grow up not realizing how messed up the mindset is. Ofc when a kpop idol does something colorist it BOILS my blood but i also tell myself they don't know how offensive it is so we can't blame them. But we still gotta call them out bc a) colorism is wrong b) thats how they'll learn. Even if colorism is normal in korean culture it's inherently wrong so we gotta call these idols out. Also if an idol is mocking someone's race well we gotta call them out to bc if theyre speaking on that person's culture we have to do it as well. and it isn't fair for thme to mock certain races specifically black ppl, when kpop is built of black culture (this is a long ramble oops)
@@meemaw2200 it is but in some places (ex. east and south asia) its extremely normalized. like in the west ppl acknowledge its an issue but it isn't so in asia
nah cuz as an nctzen, it pisses me off that haechan is always the target of the colourist ass remarks, like i get its normalized where they’re from, but it doesn’t make it okay
Yes it doesn't make it okay but yall it's not right to hate on them for that being white or pale skinned is considered superior and this has been deeply engraved in every Asian person head. It takes time to get out and break these norms and it takes courage to stand against everyone. I don't think yall realise how deeply this issue is rooted in Asian culture. Ofcourse we should hold them accountable and tell them when its wrong but hating in them is so not the solution
When you think rap is all about "fitting in your slays", this comes out. Throughout these years Moonbyul has given one of the most empowering lyrics, lyrics supporting lgbt+ love, the most witty, the most soft. But people who worships commercial shit.. just won't understand...
@@unique-q9o There's a difference b/w dislike & hate. The point is not about preferences, the point is them insulting & discrediting somebody just because they don't fit in their 'set standards'. Ik their style for kpop rappers is afro Braids, African American vernacular English, and Black Accent, that moonbyul doesn't fit in. I didn't said anything wrong.
@@unique-q9o don't try to defend an obvious hate with 'choices & prefrences'. Pls you'll get so many chances to spread your wisdom but this is neither the place nor the occasion. If you can't see what's wrong.. just leave.
@@uzeev i’m not defending anyone .. i don’t even like some of the things they’ve said about a group i stan or whatever.. i’m just simply saying they don’t have to like it if they don’t want to .. don’t get all in your feelings .
At this point, Blackpink is problematic too. Idk why you didnt add them here, cause youre a blink? They did CA not once but many times and never apologised. Lisa once did but still doesn't mean that the whole group apologized.
The title of this video isn’t “problematic kpop idols”, the title is “kpop idols I literally can’t stand”. BP are her ults so obviously they’re not gonna be in a video about kpop idols she can’t stand?? Y’all need to learn how to read
Oh my girl too. Man nonstop slaps I just wish that they weren't so racist towards my race (I'm indian). The curry song was beyond offensive and mocking my religion was the last straw. Fucking shame that they're so talented, it would be easier to hate them if they were bad artists.
About mamamoo, i know they did black face but you mentioned the ad at solar that ad wasn't a whitening ad it was about a skin care product that has like the same effect or feel like bathing in milk(that's why they brought up Cleopatra, because she bathed in milk a lot for skincare) and at hwasa that outfit you show was a korean sauna outfit(not a regular one but i think a more luxury one but not sure about the type) and i think we shouldn't hate an idol because her rap/sing style changed or she doesn't rap/sing like in the past. It's okay to change in rap/music style throughout the years
@@Szaknj BP aren’t saints. But most of the idols in this video are openly anti-black and racist. BP may be ignorant and in need of some educating, but from my eyes, they aren’t blatantly racist. And before y’all ask, yes I’m black
ok i just want to talk about the part where u said moonbyuls rapping has gotten worse. rapping isnt about how fast you rap or how many words per seconds or something like that, so i dont think moonbyuls rapping is that bad rn because ngl i used to like that rap. as for the rest i totally agree
hey just so you know, there is on twitter thread by acc mamamoo_debunked and it explains everything, they r not as problematic as u think they are plus majority of the problems come from being ignorant, not intentionally being evil. and i see u stan Dahyun, i guess she is from twice right? twice is pretty problematic as well
@@dearartms girl it's not a competition?? why are you bringing other groups into this when they're literally just talking about moonbyul's rapping?? (didn't even say too much abt mamamoo being problematic 😭)
For real Moonbyul is innocent in all this. As innocent as wheein the only reason the creator mentioned her is because moonbyul’s style of rapping has changed- newsflash ppl change
@@dearartms They were literally talking about rapping. What was the point of bringing in another subject and other people that aren’t even Associated with that group? Don’t try shifting the blame.
@@Julie-xe2px yeah. Moons old rap style was my favorite but the new one is also amazing. Their music style also changed so that can be another reason her rap style changed.
I love how she put all the idols but forget to put black pink they also did cultural appropriation .it shows how their faves are not included in the list
Well if they're her faves then obviously it wouldn't make sense to put them in a video based of idols she can't stand. And you can like a group while holding them accountable. We shouldn't assume she doesn't hold blackpink accountable for what they've done
@@star-yx9yo It just my assumption that she can't stand those idols because they did CA but she can stand her faves. That's what I am trying to say. If she can't stand other idols then she shouldn't stand her faves. She is double faced people if it their faves then okay but others no.
@@lilacbwii7_ im pretty sure she holds her favs accountable like we all do(??) plus this is honestly her opinion. yeah all idols are problematic n have done insensitive shit however half of these idols she noted never get penalized for their actions n when they are they get a slap on the wrist
@@khocaine6479 I think everyone do mistakes. Idols are humans too but people think that celebrities are some kinds of God's who should never do mistakes. People do mistakes and learn from them. And most of people don't know about others people culture until and unless we are not taught. I just called out her because she didn't include her faves and how unfairly she treated between her faves and other idols. That's just my opinion too.
i was expecting to see suju on here cuz of the amount of sexist and homophobic bs they’ve done and the fact that they all just straight up rude to their juniors. they don’t even make good music 😭😭
it’s so annoying that these idols can do literally anything under the excuse that “they don’t know any better” but when the racism and discrimination is against them both the fans and themselves learn everything about it pretty quick 🤩 plus not knowing something isn’t a excuse to not apologize and recognizing what you did and why is hurtful these idols have MONEY and INTERNET!!!!
Yeah that's true too but a lot of people don't realize I also feel like a lot of Western influence plays into this type of stuff and Korea it's just a horrible mix because they see ppl in West do it so they think it's okay to mimic which it's not and then when they get called out they deflect because they feel like they never did nothing wrong which is how you know this is to normalize and it's sad
i agree. idk why stans have difficulty to hold their idols accountable? like they bring the excuse " they were small nd babies" even jisung of skz apologized when hewas called out this yr for saying n word at 13 so age doesnt simplify it
Moonbuyl rapping??? Girl she is legit one of the best rappers out there in kpop and the only female rapper who owns 95% of writing credits for her raps. She alone can beat all top 3 ggs rapline. I really dont understand ur hate towards Mamamoo???? And talking about CA arent Blackpink queens in doing CA
i know right. you can clearly see from her name that she is a blink and she just ignored all the problematic things that bp have done (no hate to bp tho, i love them) but she is so quick to hate on moonbyul when she is literally rapping so well
maybe people have different taste. I enjoy most of mamamoo’s song but i almost always have to skip through moonbyul rap. I don’t hate the girl, i just can’t listen to them…they are not good imo
@@thaotrangvu984 moobyul has not raps that outshine, but she doesnt have a bad verse which is pretty rare for rappers, especially when we know she came as a singer. Her rapstyle might sound strange for some casual listeners, yet she raps well with various flow, voice inflexion, intonation etc. She's top tier gg rapper for sure, or u dont like listening to rap. I wil ltake the example of lisa, (I love her verses) but she's abusing triplets and simple flows usually, that sound gound but arent impressive compared to what moonbyul can do.
EXACTLY OMG, bp did racist stuff too, and apparently they arent included in this video but groups like mamamoo are. cmon, if youre black and are gonna hate on groups for being racist, hate ALL of the groups that did racist things, not pick certain groups youre gonna hate on and certain ones youre gonna love. sigh, kpop stans are so hypocritical.
i love how you’re a genuine mature person and you’re talking about serious things instead of just hating on people for existing. and on a side note, NOT saying racist things is the bare minimum. and those idols can’t even do that. JAIL YALL JAIL.
you’re saying they’re being mature when honestly they’re being childish. i agree that the idols did shit and that’s cool they’re bringing awareness yet they could’ve been more mature about it.
This is a genuine question, but why are people always complaining about "idol apologies" not being good enough? Like what kind of apology would be good enough for you? What else can you do besides apologizing and explaining it in a situation where you've hurt people's feelings? You can't undo things you've done so the only thing is to say sorry. It's a whole another story if they still continue doing harmful things but not everyone is like that and still people complain about the "apology videos not being good enough".
I agree but that exactly where the problem is because most idols don't actually talk specifically about the problematic stuff, the just walk around it and get out the "I made horrible things in the past and I want to apologize" card, like they're not even mentioning the things they got called off because it would be admitting they were racist, homophobic, misogynist, etc. I do believe that an apology video is a good idea, but if you are just going to be vague, if somebody else is telling you what to do and you're only doing it to save your career (and not because you actually hurt people) and keep doing it again and again cause you didn't Lear anything then I am sorry but that "apology" is useless and pointless
People STILL come for Mamamoo when the only thing they've done was blackface, and when informed by fans that it was wrong, they apologized twice (once through a statement and second in front of fans), and RBW also apologized. We say idols should apologize, but when they do you still drag them for their actions years later? That makes zero sense. Hwasa sang the n word because it was given in the lyrics by the staff. She doesn't speak English to know. And she wore a durag because it was in Rihanna's Fenty line (with even non black models wearing it), and she's a huge fan of Rihanna. I wish kpop fans would actively try to find the correct information and context before making videos like this but no one cares because they're not affecting their faves
I'm not aware of other groups, but as someone who has recently been into kpop I was first against mmm due to their "problematic" behavior. But when someone on Twitter called out and discussed the Hwasa hate paradigm, I changed. The fact that many people are unaware of culture appropriation, including myself was revealed. Many countries still believe being dark skinned is ugly and right now that connotation is beginning to change. If you would've asked me a year ago, I would've not been able to answer anything related to such issues. MMM has changed a lot, they're human and they're learning. They've incorporated so much into their music, and that's what changed my mind about them. So before you hold them back because of their mistakes, I'd like to ask you to see how far they've come. There's holding accountable and blatantly hating for someone's mistakes.
the only reason these stans like jessi is because she acts like the stereotypical black girl. Yk, being loud and “ratchet”. It’s the fact that someone told She isn’t blackfishing and it’s just a tan, when girlie is blacker than me on rainy days
I don't think that's the only reason people like her tho. I'm Black and I'm a huge Jessi fan just cause her personality is contagious and she makes dope music
Yes. Like maybe instead of stanning a blackfisher who uses and steals black people's culture for money you could actually stan REAL black women who make actual good music.
@@liliaochoasalazar9253 WELL SAID‼️ like at least black women some credit?? There are so many amazing black women out who go under the rug but y’all wanna stan someone who isn’t even black but tries to be?
They see these comments but will never take accountability for it even though most K-pop idols in the video did take accountability…. hypocrite if you ask me
Fr 💀 like some idols actually did take accountability while bp never did I remember the hate they got for putting an Indian god statue in their mv and still said nth abt it 💀
at least mamamoo and namjoon apologized (apparently) but what have we gotten from bp? lisa fake crying and apologizing on a fancall to keep the heat off her? yeah okay 🙄
no that's not true. this video debunks ur claim th-cam.com/video/POZNfzI0b4g/w-d-xo.html she did say the story was for something else and not the situation but i dont buy it
The only thing I'll critique on is that Amber did actually apologise (written statement) and she said she would educate herself. She is absolutely still accountable, but apologising for what she said does change the story you're trying to tell. Whether you knew that and decided not to include it to make a point, or you didn't, just thought it was an important fact to say.
Also another thing to add was the t-shirt she mentioned was already debunked by an actual Chinese speaker. I get calling her out, but this person should seriously do more research
tbh idk why people are mad at her still, the jk news video was taken out of context. after apologizing she went and educated herself, donated to BLM, and went to BLM protests in LA. edit: feels like she held herself accountable at least
The video was also out of context. Her and the other people on the video said they didn't even know the man was black. If you watch the full video one of the girls even said she didn't know he was black literally seconds after Amber's comments and afterwards the same girl came out and reiterated that they had not seen the video and didn't know race was a part of the issue. This isnt obvious from the clips because they play the video for the viewers but the JK News crew and amber actually didn't see see video during their discussion. Only one of the guys saw it before. Also, Amber not only apologized after the controversy but after another member of the crew (the one who had already seen the video and knew the issue beforehand) pointed it out to her within that same video which the clip is taken from. And as another person said, Amber went to BLM protests and donated to BLM. She also called for prosecution of George Floyd's murderers. I don't see how people hate her so much and cancel her but bend over backwards for others who not only were racist but have never apologized or done meaningful action for the betterment of the lives of black people.
@@itspowers9107 all 👏of 👏 this! It's very obvious thr hate Amber gets is not charged by her comments but charged on just hating her as a person for who she is. Amber is actually one of the _least_ problematic idols and I'd argue popular idols nowadays like NCT and BTS has literally done so much worse than she has, but she gets way worse treatment Some very obvious double standards are happening here
Korean media has always made fun of her skin tone, surgeries, how bad her Korean was, and how she acted too American all throughout her career. She didn't have mainstream popularity in Korea until she blew up internationally. No one really took her seriously until she got signed under PNation.
Yeah, this blink channel is very toxic. Very harshly criticizing other idol groups but blind to blackpink's own many faults. Blink are like trash, like their Idols.
I really don’t understand why this TH-camr says she doesn’t like CA yet she completely ignores the fact that her favs should also be held accountable for what they have done.
im kinda done with the hypocritical behaviour, kpop stans and armys still keep dragging namjoon for the mistakes he made (which he's accepted and actively worked on, AND hes one of the few idols who's actually shown development and educated himself) but stay silent abt the others bts members who've done similar stuff but have never addressed any of it (I know they're all educated now) and this isnt me shifting blame bc i love the boys equally, but like keep the same energy for all of them if you're going to talk abt problematic pasts
@@thefirstlovestorythatyoong1893 Lisa apologized for doing cultural appropriation in a fansign event bruh and in my opinion I don't think they do cultural appropriation except for Lisa (becuz she has chose the hairstyle herself in the money dance video) I mean who knows sometimes their stylist can also give them the style but I'm not sure tho (don't attack me idk about the namjoon case, sorry for my bad English tho)
I really do think namjoon is a talented rapper but I also look at him now and his past as changing and growing and what not to do you definitely have a right not to like him because he didn't apologize he only addressed the situation. I also feel like going in debt of why so many of these K-pop idols do these type of things definitely has to do with Korea's colorist ideologies they push on them young and how they get influenced by Western media plus cuz look at namjoon he definitely be dark too like bruh.
My exact thoughts, people grow up, and they still can make mistakes. I find it so annoying when people get mad for stuff that is normal for Koreans and use old clips as proof when the person never did it again and clearly understood it was wrong and changed. Also I can’t see my life without mono, so I am def streaming it because it helps with my anxiety
Non of that is really excuse I do agree that from what we get to see that he’s grown but again non of that excuses racism towards black people though😕.
Ok with the first instance I had to do a lot of research before I could fully understand it. Blackface- they wanted to pay their respects to the Bruno Mars video and yes I acknowledge that they did Blackface it was really wrong I understand that growing up in the country they did they wouldn’t know the deep rooted harm that causes to Black people. “They still should have known.” I hear this a lot, but when you grow up in a mostly homogeneous country that speak a different language, has a different education system and doesn’t have the history we have you can’t expect them to know what they did was wrong, especially with Black face sadly being normalized in South Korea. The compare if there was something offensive to them that is taught in their history and known by them and not us how are we to know it is offensive? Hwasa saying the n-word- she didn’t know the meaning of the word and the company themselves placed the word in there for her to sing. For that one I blame the company. “She should know by now.” That was not only a long time ago when Mamamoo wasn’t really popular so they didn’t have much international fame as they do now so they were still limited to the ignorance of their society. Solar skin ad- It was a face cream not a skin lightening cream. Here’s a thread that explains it better than me twitter.com/mamamoodebunked/status/1289636497818177543?s=21 People judge Mamamoo before knowing the truth and doing research.
Don't even bother. Most people who judge them don't even care about racial problematic things they did. They don't like them and these things are an excuse to to drag them to the mud. They apologized, you either forgive or do not forgive. But bringing these up every fucking time it's just not it. What's even the point here? You want idols to take accountability but when they do you still continue spreading hate and misinformations. These people don't want an apology, they want chaos.
@Elana N yeah they do lol. they've mocked desi culture when wearing desi jewelry especially after literally saying how cultural appropriation is bad. the only female artist to respect culture and appreciate, not appropriate is Alexa. i love bp, but don't act like they're innocent.
@@ria8362 Alexa is so nice, she also respects lgbtqia community! And yet this year while not being held accountable , jisoo offended desi community yet again
I love your video. I am Black and even though a lot of the things you say are true. I still like some of their music. It feels like everyone is problematic these days. Everyone has a shady past not just kpop but western artists too. I low key gave up caring not because it isn't important to hold them accountable we should but it is tiring. Kpop is a form of entertainment for me and is like a stress relief from like school, but having to keep up with even idols problematic behavior is getting annoying. I still support some of these idols, but won't invalidate anyone who feels offended by what they did. I am not the fans to defend idols bad behavior unless it is untrue / fake. They all need to have a looonnngggg apology to fans and people they have offended. (P.S. when I say everyone I know not every single one but a vast majority have done something and these are only cases we she on camera, there can be a lot more we don't know). Just my personal take on this issue.
I agree. I still listen to some artists like Neyo, I heard he was colorist but I love their songs but, I won’t support them as a person. I just like their songs.
@@amanidavis3506 Yeah. A lot of black artists themselves are problematic 😐. I can't really complain about kpop artist being colorist, racist etc when my own entertainment industry (America) is just as bad.
At Jessi thing, fans praise her by calling her "confidence queen" "she's so straightforward" independent and strong. I mean, a girl can be confident and strong without cursing or making a show. And what's the being confident thing about it? If someone is not comfortable with it , (the boobs thing) it's not okay to continue doing it. Most of the time she makes me cringe
Yess, she seems like really a wannabe, she tries too hard to be something she's not, on the other hand Hwasa is the true confident queen who stands up for herself and goes against the very things that tries to restrict her and also makes quality music and is hella talented.
If you don't know in Asia, the beauty standards are ridiculous Jessi is shown to be confident because she's strong even though people in Asia rag on her for not being the ideal beautiful Asian woman(quiet, peaceful. slim figured, and light-skinned). So before you say she's "cringe" you gotta see where she's coming from
@@cheyennehatterene303 fyi I'm an asian myself and other asians countries don't have strict beauty standards except korea Japan and China. And what's with the ideal type? Most of the south asians don't have light skins. And stop bringing the "Asia" thing here. Stop spreading your false opinions here. Asia has many diffrent countries and not every asian women is weak or unconfident. Learn before you speak nonsense
@@cheyennehatterene303 and being "confident" isn't good when others are uncomfortable with it. And if you think every women need to behave like Jessi if they want to be confident, then you must be a 13 year old. No need to see where she's coming from , You can still be a confident person without putting on a show.
Cause they are her/his faves even if they'll continue to do it make fun of someone's culture they'll praise them forever they did so many things but never apologized and here she/he is saying I can't stand "these idols" but can stand her own faves who never used THE "A" OF APOLOGY Dude UK this is mAtUrIty according to kpop stans 👏
It's totally fine if you decide not to forgive mamamoo or if you don't want stan Hwasa for the ca. I have nothing to do with that matter. But Solar did absolutely nothing. She was dressed like a korean character in a movie. And regarding the ad, let's face it, many Asians do not want to tan. That's part of their culture. All the idols used that kind of product and they probably still use it. If you don't believe me look at their predebut photos. It is hypocritical to get upset with an idol for being part of an ad promoting a product that your idols probably use. And moonbyul?? You can't stand her because you don't like her rap? Sometimes it worries me how you forget that you are talking about real people, with real feelings. It's sad.
@@malainabeen4503 And the sad thing is that this person is achieving it. The comment section is full of hate and a bunch of uninformed people ready to cancel them.
Yes, i used to really like jessi, but she's a shell of who we thought she was. I used to think she was a -baddie- like you said, like going against kpop standards like pale skin and lying about plastic surgery. But now (also i didnt know she said the nword, gross), I see that she doesn't accept her natural skin tone like she wants us to think, she tans into oblivion, she abuses lip filler, she got a bbl and continues to deny it as if it wasn't obvious, yet she's praised for being an icon for telling ppl she had a boob job. Like yes, that was cool, but now she lies about other procedures, so she's like other idols anyways.
And if she doesn't want to talk about her procedures than that's her! As she said, it's her buisness so why are people so curious about what she does when it doesn't harm others??
I'm not gonna speak about my opinion on the idols because I'm not black or POC, but I WILL talk about how kpop fans will never find apologies to be "good enough". Like, they want idols to apologize, but then they do and it's "so fake" and it "didn't come from the heart". Like what do you want them to do? I understand that they should have not done anything cancellable in the first place, but come on, they're still people, even if they made a mistake. I've done things that I really regret but I can't go back in time. Instead, I can apologize and learn to not do that again. Of course, not all idols should be forgiven.
I respect RM. Though in his apology, he didn't say sorry, he still admitted what he did wrong. He didn't exactly apologize but he took responsibility for his mistakes. So I hope you'll reconsider about not supporting his solo music because he worked hard to get where he is now. He's matured a lot now, and he's trying not to repeat the same mistakes anymore :)
Acknowledge Vs Apology "Admitting something is wrong" and "actually apologizing" is two different things and not even close. Apologizing is taking responsibility of your actions and show remorse, Armies are excusing him from taking responsibility of his past actions by praising him for stating the obvious which "Racism is wrong". Okay you KNOW your actions are wrong but are you for sorry for doing something wrong? Since he didn't saying he is "sorry" "apologize" "regret" for his deeds then he is NOT sorry. That is reality.
My ult group Ateez got into some hot water a while ago during their Thanxx era because Hongjoong wore a hairstyle that had dreads and braids in it. Fans called them out and immediately not only Hongjoong apologized but so did the company, KQ entertainment, and they immediately changed his hairstyle for the rest of the live stages they did. And he or any of the other members have not worn similar hairstyles since. I am really not asking for Kpop idols to be perfect all the time and make no mistakes because we’re all human, but take accountability for your actions, apologize, and don’t make the same mistake again. What really gets me about some of these idols is that they apologize for their actions then turn around and do the same shit again. It’s why although I love a lot of the NCT members I have a real hard time Stanning them because they keep doing CA shit with their performances, music, and styling.
Don't get me wrong, this is a genuine question! What is wrong with wearing dreads? So many people all over the world do it every day, why is it that kpop idols can't do it?
@@panicatthemuser705 I personally am not black so I feel like I can’t really speak on how the community feels about it, but googling the history of dreads and cultural appropriation is a good way to start I know there are quite a few videos on cultural appropriation on TH-cam! There is an issue with people wearing dreads besides idols as well. It’s just Kpop idols get a lot of heat because they do take influences from other cultures on their music/stylings and some feel that it is cultural appropriation. Again I’m not black, so I fell like I can’t really speak on this, I just love it when my idols are respectful of all cultures! 🤗
@@Manic-Pixie-Dream-Ghoul oh okay thank you!! I understand but at the same time...everyone in the world is using things from every culture right?🤔 like, if it’s to mock the culture or make it look bad, of course people have the right to be mad!! And I’m not a black person so I can’t fully put myself in people’s shoes! But for instance, if european or american people eat with chopsticks, is it cultural appropriation?🤔 Because so many people do that! And so many people have dreads also! Anyway, I’m not trying to discredit anyone’s feelings, just isn’t it a bit too much of a reaction sometimes?😅
@@panicatthemuser705 hi i know this isn't my comment, but i'm black and i thought i should answer your comment. anyways because this is a VERY hurtful view to have and i hope you don't say it again after this... (i understand that you might not know the reason so it's okay) but it's not too much of a reaction for people to be mad because black hairstyles like dreads aren't 'just hair' like many people say. back in slavery times black people were taken forcefully from their countries and abused/tortured very badly and had their culture erased from them, one of the only things they had left was their hair which they used in many ways such as keeping and hiding food inside their braids and also to style creatively which in a way was a symbol of power to them because black hair is very different from others and these styles were used to protect their hair (which is why non-black people shouldn't attempt to do their hair like that, their hair isn't made for those styles and it'll damage it) there's more to the story because black history is a LOT but i hope you understand that it's hurtful for non-black people to style their hair in black hairstyles and ignore the dark history of what black people went through and still go through. you're right that every culture has things that are taken by others but this one is different. it's a symbol of power and strength against the racism that black people went through and STILL go through (i also hope you know that it's not just a problem for k-pop idols to have dreads but non-black people in general, it's just that you have only seen it in k-pop) i hope this makes sense and i encourage you to research on black history by yourself because it's very burdensome for black people to have to explain their trauma to non-black people. let me know if there's anything else you wanna know and sorry if this is long but it's important to say lol
Lmao I agree Kpopies are hypocritics so no one can ever take em seriously 💀nd the fact that instead of ppl they literally disrespected Hindu god like -
Ok but Namjoon was literally addressing the stuff he did that could've hurt others which he didn't intend to do so and you're ignoring it like? What does 'holding accountability' mean in your dictionary? The words "I'm sorry" aren't necessary in an apology. Believe it or not, BTS has apologized for the mistakes they did in the past and they have been very considerate about everything after then. Change is what matters. They did change, they did realise what was wrong and they have genuine hearts. They are not bad people. And here's Namjoon's entire words that he spoke during that vlive that you chose to ignore: "RM's hello 2017" Namjoon addressed how his mindset in the past has been problematic: "I had a lot of thoughts. I did, in the beginning. When others talked about me in a criticizing way, rather, when others gave unforgivable feedback, it could be advices. Or criticism. It could be condemnation. When I heard so, I felt like this in the beginning... 'Why? Why?'. Because I thought, I have been like this. I thought I've never caused any trouble or inconvenience to others. I've never thought that way. Because I studied hard when I was young, I worked hard on music, I performed hard. I liked playing games. That's what consisted of my life. At school I was an obedient student. I did well at school so teachers liked me. I never fought with classmates and I was around with friends. I've never thought that my behaviors or music or words could hurt others, or cause inconvenience to others. I've never thought that way. As I went through the year 2016 I came to think about that. My words or behaviors, regardless of my intentions, could cause troubles or hurt others feelings. In the process, I thought I need to hold responsibility for that and I need to think about such things. What I said or did would not be undone. I thought so. Then I learned how to admit myself. It was hard to admit that I could hurt others' feelings. It took a long time. I didn't like to admit that I was wrong. Rather than I was wrong, it was hard to admit that I could hurt others' feelings. It was hard to admit because I've never felt that way. In the beginning, when I was faced with such criticism, I thought like, 'Why? I did it for a reason'. Now, as I said, I feel much better about my feelings and emotions. Now, when I hear something about me, even if its a criticism or condemnation, I am able to think about what made them say so. 'What did I do wrong? What I did caused others to feel uncomfortable? What made them criticize me?' I am now able to think like that. For now, I can't talk about what was changed in detail. Still, I may have another chance to talk about later. Anyways, to become a better person, I need to hold responsibility for what I do. I need to change my mindset. I need to change my way of thinking if its wrong. I learned I need to hear from many people. I mean, I came to think like that. Now when I do something, I think, 'how would people feel about my act?' and then I take action. That's why I was able to release 'Always'. The lyrics are very defensive. I wrote that a year ago when I felt stressed. A year ago, or so. I wrote the lyrics back then. I am now able to release it because I no longer feel that way. Now I feel relaxed. Anyways, now or in the future, I want to be an artist that has good influence. I hope my music would help others. So, I decided to go in a better way. My goal for 2017 is to be mature in many ways, including my way of thinking. I want to become a person who thinks more righteously, and make greater music. Those are my goals." Please view this link too if you have any more problems with BTS' past mistakes: twtext.com/article/1162465183253585920
@@nanciee2844 Yeah, at first I decided to ignore it and just click off this video but I left this comment because I thought if any new ARMYs or kpop stans who don't know much about BTS happened to read my comment, hopefully they would not adopt any misunderstandings against Namjoon and start disliking him without doing much research and just take in what the op said. That's why I pasted all of his words here. As a true ARMY, of course I had to defend him, he's such a precious human. I swear he wouldn't hurt anyone intentionally :( He doesn't deserve any more hate for the things that he did in the past. He was a young boy. Just like I wasn't much educated on this stuff before I became an ARMY, he wasn't, too, because he didn't had that much experience in the music world. He did take a lot of inspiration from black artists music-wise but he didn't have the knowledge on their culture and history and so did their company. He educated himself and learned about what was wrong, he talked about it and he tried to become a better person. If you're close to him and know about him, you would know that he's a genuine and a kind person. He loves art, nature, plants and animals, loves to read books, going to museums, riding bicycles, he gets so excited for little crabs. How could he cause anyone any harm and have evil intentions of hurting others? He's a beautiful person with a beautiful heart. I hope people start seeing the true side of him.🥺💜
I've been giving Jessi the stink eye too, and I feel like not enough people talk about why she's sus. So glad to see a video addressing that! Finally a place where I can rant: The first time I saw her in Dawn's Dawndididawn mv, I felt like, in a sense and without the intention of sounding dramatic, that she was mocking. She takes what is black, dramatizes it and doesn't even use it correctly, she tries and fails to appropriate AAVE, using severe grammatical error. She makes me feel like she sees us as hypersexual, nasty and rough people, who use nonsense language like AAVE isn't a grammatical dialect, AND she capitalizes on that image. She hasn't even been in Korea for the entirety of her life! She went to Korea from US when she was 15, so I would've hoped that she'd be at least a bit aware of what it means to appropriate the culture of the people who lived in the same country as her for the first 15 years of her life. It's willful and seeing her appear as a featured artist is always a turn-off.
most ppl are saying shes doing blackface by tanning, but like, have yall seen american white girls? they come out of tanning shops looking dark af for a white person
@@오수빈-c3n True! Honestly, for me, I don't see heavier tanning as blackface, unless they do it with the intention of being 'hip', or change their facial features to be more racially ambiguous.. And if it gets so dark that you can't imagine them being the skin tone they naturally are at all. (Although it's not my job to police how people tan. It does raise my eyebrow after a point.) Jessi is someone who does extreme tanning + cultural appropriation, which is what solidifies my opinion of her. 🤔
11:38 it would be more accurate to say that "Non Koreans" rather than "Non Asians". Korean culture is very different from other Asian cultures - as said by every single foreign idol. Indians can be Koreaboos, Japanese people can be Koreaboos, Chinese people can be Koreaboos, etc. I find it so laughable how people only think non-Asians can be Koreaboos which is so false. If I went to claim Nigerian culture as my own without properly assimilating, that'd be cultural appropriation. It doesn't matter than I'm black or even that my parents were born in Cameroon
I disagree with this video. I’m holding ALL the Kpop industry accountable because there isn’t a fucking group that hasn’t done something wrong. The only thing I’ll say is, as a black person, I found Namjoon’s apology different than other apologies because he took responsibility for the things he’s done. I also thank him for not repeating his actions. All the BTS members haven’t done something problematic or racist in a while and I think that’s great.
Ummm, this video was not on bad things idols have done, it was on idols she can't stand and why. She doesn't dislike blackpink and that's why they're not on this list. That's not to say that she believes them to be blameless.
The fact that cultural appropriation isn't only all about black people, braids, the n word, and stuffs. It also included other culture and religion too. Example how in blackpinks HYLT they used the indian ornaments as aesthetics. But that's fine until u see the Lord ganesha literally ON THE FLOOR where Lisa was rapping. It's so disrespectful to use an god as an aesthetic, that also on the fucking floor, it's super disrespectful towards the hindu indians. It's not the first time anyways. But people only call out for cultural appropriation when it comes to black things. It's also about other culture too, and how they disrespect this. We usually skip that Indian, Egyptian appropriations. Which is very sad, and if we ignore it, it would happen even more.
And yet you stan Blackpink who have done sooo many problematic things in their life and even mocked the Indian culture (as an indian I was ashamed), and never apologized. Before coming at everyone else, hold your favs accountable as well.
@@imgonnaputsomedirtinyoureye Same here this is why I believe that no fandom should bash other groups for being problematic when it's 95% sure their fav have also done something problematic.
@@captainlevi7188 yup but ig lisa didn't apologise right?And in this video she cancelled many of the idols for the same reason ig all the kpop stans are biased at some point and along with lisa some of the bp members also cultural appropriated indian culture
I think our biggest problem with the n-word is that a LOT of these rappers say it because they hear their favorite artists from the west say it. They aren’t going to go and look up the meaning, they will think it’s just a word that’s commonly used. I believe that If it’s a bad word to say for one group of people, it should be bad for everyone to say it. I had to think about this too: all these black rappers that use the n-word in their songs do not care who say it because those people are putting money in their pockets. They’re streaming their music, buying concert tickets, voting in shows, they don’t care as long as they’re making money🤷🏾♀️
THIS!! you can't expect people to know, we sympathise with the racism you face but please understand that other asian countries do not learn about it because the focus of our education is our own culture and history that dates centuries back. Reverse the roles. If you were singing in another language, you're gonna look at the meaning maybe, but how will you know what is a slur and what's not? However it is extremely important to call out the idol, definitely but don't go around calling them a racist, or hate on them, you should be compassionate enough to understand both sides of the story
Wow such a wise way of thinking girl ! I wish everyone would think so cuz not all world understand what that mean and not everyone will care to learn since they hear it on western music from black artists every single time . I mean it's common for them but racist from others only cuz of skin color . I think its should be problem to use that word from everyone since it is offensive word .
@@brittany7298 totally agreed with u ! U know sometimes when ppl bringing old mistakes everytime its not like we should remember them but it's like we can't let them in past . For example if I will do something not in purpose embarrassing and will improve myself year by year but ppl will bring it back everytime when similar situations happens but not from me I will feel sux and maybe will think that all my hard work doesn't count . Who know maybe RM will find such topic videos and he might feel same bad , nobody know if they actually see such things but we don't know neither the opposite. I am agreed if artists repeat same mistakes and give 0 shit about backlash but especially Rm improve himself and so far being realy great person. I've seen that old clip when Rm were rapping and mentioned N word it was 2014 they were young and didn't knew much things . We all have done mistakes there is nobody perfect then why should we bring back and trash about artists old mistakes when they haven't made since then . Sorry for long comment !
the fact that the creator dragged other idols for their racist and problematic past but didn’t say shit about blackpink when they’re the queens of cultural appropriation and not apologizing for offensive things they do. namjoon reflected on himself and even spoke on his past at the UN and apologize, that’s more than yalls favs can say for themselves. but blinks brush off every terrible thing blackpink has done and it’s weird.
i mean i'm not surprised, the editor's a blink, and these people love to be "anti-racism" and "anti-problematic behavior" until it's about their faves. "Well bLaCkPiNk diDn'T kNoW, iT's yG's fAuLt", but for every other idol it's their fault and it's valid to hate on them like? They're just big hypocrites lmao
9:06 also the way armys just treat his blank ass motivational quotes like they can save the world? like girl i can't go into any comment section that talks about bullying without someone quoting some empty statement of him plEAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
and everyone commenting "i hold my favs accountable" what have you actually done to hold them accountable? stopped streaming their music? boycotting albums? called them out during fansigns? there's no accountability involved anywhere everyone is all talk.
Honestly, like she wanna come for Namjoon and Mamamoo even tho they literally apologized and changed their ways like Blackpink hasnt offended black and Indian ppl without apology. The hypocrisy. How u gon hate someone for one thing yet still stan someone else who keeps doing the exact same thing. Make it make sense bruh
As a minority, grew up going to all white schools and being subject to some pretty bad racism here in Australia, I gotta say I'm sick and tired of people crying about "appropriating" culture. As long as they haven't blatantly disrespected the culture i don't see anything wrong with it. A kpop group did a haka, a Maori war dance and when my white friend showed me it they expected me to be offended. They didn't once disrespect the culture, they even put effort into doing the haka. Culture should shared so much more but because of all this cancelling and what not people are scared to jump into a different one. People being hurt by stereotypes is a joke to me.
THIS! I dont see why trying out something from another culture is disrespectful if im not disrespecting it. Sometimes i want to try out different cultural dresses because i find them beautiful. Now if i take a photo of me wearing a dress from another culture, will that mean im appropriating? I see no logic there.
I became a bts fan around late 2018 and I used to defend Namjoon saying "at least he apologized" bc armies kept on showing the clip and I was thinking to myself if a lot of ppl said he apologized, then he did right? I didnt realize how manipulative kpop fans were at the time (I was a baby kpop fan). So in late 2020, I rewatched the clip and I noticed the man never said he was sorry. *it's literally a new years eve resolution* as well he said "my actions" hurted ppl but what r those actions namjoon? It could be about anything. I still love bts but man armies need to stop saying they apologized when they didn't. we need to do better as a fandom.as for namjoon, he needs to apologize. IDC if its been years ago or he donated to BLM, if u went around doing extremely problematic stuff like saying the n-word and saying your 'talent is speaking like african american brothers' u have to denounce it. Ik armies love saying that bts is unproblematic bc they donated for blm but I find their donation rlly fishy: th-cam.com/video/dhgVHiuYMpg/w-d-xo.html
@@brendacristinamartinezhual2012 in that thread namjoon just said he was wrong for saying he was from the west side and that he was ignorant regarding sexism. In those apologies u showed he never address him saying the n word or that his talent is talking like an African American. That thread literally repeats his 2017 vlive and state “hey this is namjoon apologizing so many times” when it’s one occurrence. Here’s a much better video that’s unbiased and includes all of bts growth & apologies. All apologies r in the pinned comment m.th-cam.com/video/L9Z1y1z4FYE/w-d-xo.html
@@Taylorc0de SHE RESPONDED TO MY OTHER COMMENT. What’s so funny to me is that herioneblink addressed how vague namjoon 2017 vlive thing is yet she’s using a thread that has that vlive 😭 like armies need to realize they won’t loose sleep at night for admitting that bts barely apologized 😭
@@seokiology I will never understand how these stan loose their sleep and Argue and get into fights with people, sending death threats, faking rumours, stalking etc. Doing these shitty things for the people who don't even know you and probably doesn't even gave a damn about you. Kpop idol worship has become so toxic and bizarre. That's why locals always think we all are weirdos and jobless people.
@@Taylorc0de esp the making up lies part. I remember when the Jim jones scandal happened. Personally I just sat back and watched the event unfold but there were armies that were doxxing and reporting accounts and even made up lies he was anti Korean (which my friends and I bought which shows how bad gaslighting is in kpop). Honestly I was so shocked that ppl took time of their day to defend yoongi like that when he doesn’t even know u? There’s a possibility he may not even like u so why r u defending him? The way ppl view kpop idols is so unhealthy-this parasocial relationship needs to stop 🛑ure right no wonder locals think kpop fans r weird!
I never really looked into Jessi's problematic stuff she’s done. But looking at it, I want to unstan. It’s just hard to because I kinda like her. I kinda think it’s better to separate her BS from her music. I don’t support her as a person but her music is not that bad to me
Yeah.. I support her music and the nice parts of her personality but will not hesitate to drag her down. I stanned her before finding out everything she did and honestly it hurt but oh well :/
how are u not gonna put blackpink up here ?? biggest girl group atm, can’t miss them. srsly if u wanna hold people accountable, do the same for urs favs😐
Ikr? It clearly says a lot about her own personality and intentions. Especially when a lot of people have already asked the same question but she never responds them. Instead she's liking the comments that are shading on other big and successful groups like NCT and BTS. Says a lot about this creator. She's completely okay with black pink's multiple CA incidents but she finds others problematic. 🙄
I was suffering from career anxiety and depression for months now. i have improved recently with a fairly good idea of what i want to do. and just in time to look at this video from a youtuber who never fails to mame me laugh. life is good.
Maybe it is just an unpopular opinion. I get that everyone has their own opinions so any fans of any groups in the video shouldn’t be offended. (I myself am a fan of Mamamoo) However isn’t it going too far to request for disbandment etc or even getting sued? As much as it is definitely problematic in regards to racism (As someone who lives in an Asian multi racial country I seen this on a regular basis), I don’t think it is fair to wish harm on anyone.
I already mention this in my other comment. And it seems like no one notice the toxicity this channel have. like saying someone's jobless, disband etc. I feel like that crossed the line.
@@eh146 Yeah i completely agree the fact these idols have done stuffs in past, but that doens't give any right to them to bash and diss these idols so badly... Like why tf are they hating on them? They're humans too 😀
@@k-popbutterfly9417 True, I honestly feel so bad, especially when people dig someone's past from like 10 years ago to use it against celebrities. Like it's the past dude, why u so obsessed with other's life. If they did wrong 10 years ago then, it's not your place to dig it up again, people could change. Also, it's so over the line, if you don't like an idol then fine, but they literally find anything to hate on. Making TikTok? cringe, mistakes from 10 years ago? cancel. This channel owner is so hateful, it disgusts me. I would definitely dig up this channel owner past, if they ever get famous, so people could bash them and make "idols I couldn't stand" and say some stupid shit. The channel owner is literally so obsessed with these idols, probably jealous that those idols have a better life than her. They are jealous, bc some idols make TikTok.
for misinformed people: 1. Solar did a cf about milk-based moisturizing face cream nit skin lightening cream and the person she was imitating was Cleopatra *A WHITE GREEK WOMAN* 2. Hwasa was given the song with the explicit version to sing and those lyrics are still up on melon and my girl doesn't even know how to spell her name in English. Also when she sang it again since she educated herself she didn't say the n-word. 3. Her stage manager plus backup dancer group Bessie does and pushes CA on the girls too despite fans messaging them to not do it. They admitted to it that they designed the costumes and sets for that stage where hwasa was wearing a durag. 4. The so-called "Nigerian outfit to scare ppl" was debunked by both Nigerians on all socmed platforms and by mbc. The offensive translations were provided by an anti and yall dumbasses believed them. The real translation showed it was a flashy version of the sauna look she has when coming to broadcasting stations. The video with exact translations is available with a click of your fingers. Oh and I'm sorry you all only like misogynistic rap lyrics that were written by men and sung by your female faves in the name of "girl power and feminism" while putting down other women. You do you I guess -_-
And she clearly didnt listen to mamamoo's songs at all,, or she has a music taste i would never imagine to call their songs trash.. like srsly? And why would u wish disbandment on such a group.
@@Warriormoomoo yeah like I understand if someone doesn't like their music but saying they put out bad music like bruh out of the 100 groups i know mamamoo has one of the best discography , they make music of every genre
tbh,, armys got the namjoon apologising part wrong. he’s actually owning up to his mistakes,, and he explains it,, knowing that he’s wrong. he might not have apologised,, but at least he knows he’s in the wrong,, and that’s alrdy quite alright imo
You can make a point without dragging someone's skills, we all know that no matter racist or homophobic kpop artist have some skills. Idc block me or whatever is you want to do.
This was a personal opinion babes... the idols in the video definitely did some scandals and they need to be held accountable for them. You’re being as bad as them rn bcs ur defending them
Just noticed how almost all of these were solo artists kpop stans like to call: original, theyre just themselves, they dont act or have a role like other idols
Here after namjoon acknowledged his past mistakes in an interview in front of the president. To admit that he was problematic at the UN and to look more into why you were called problematic in the first place is brave and commendable. I personally think he is very reflective and an open minded person and is willing to learn and am glad he is like that.
Yes as long as he never did it again and actually educated himself then I have no issues with him at all at least he learned never to do it again then other idols who kept doing the same problematic stuff 💀
I was rlly proud of him for doing that! But I do think he needs to reflect on his racist past openly as well. Like in a similar manner he did in the UN
@Samruddhi Londhe th-cam.com/video/wAXcMD5dOBA/w-d-xo.html here,he talks about it in this interview :)
@@thefirstlovestorythatyoong1893 true
@@dream.5708 What? when did he talk about him saying racist things in that interview.
i’m an nctzen who is not afraid to hold their faves accountable 😩 but i swear people really put kpop over morals like-
i hate stans who act like that
thank you and I agree
Same girl (tho Im not an Nctzen but you get the point)
same!!! i get so mad seeing czens denying that they did as people many things wrong, and not sm
well everyone have diffrent morals views (don't attack me, idk anything about nct. or what they did. i'm just saying that morals or view are really subjective)
Also, am I the only one who noticed that when San E was in Sixteen, he made Sana very uncomfy by saying that she was trying to "flirt" with him like MAN AINT NOBODY WANTING YOU
WHAT DID HE SAY TO SANA-?!
HE'S GETTING ON MY NERVES 🔪
WT- LITERALLY!! 🔪😐
I don’t stan twice but my ult group is besties with twice so san e is getting on my nerves 🙂🔪
he really thinks no one notices his behavior
i don't see blackpink here...they haven't stopped mocking my culture ever since they have debuted, they haven't apologized of any of those as well
Of course she won't
As you see her profile name, she stans them to the core
yeah op will criticize and hate everyone besides her own faves lol classic blink
mocking?? wearing a bindi means nothing move on
Fun fact: You can stan a group and still hold them accountable. NCT are one of my ults yet every time they have an incident such as cultural appropriation, racial issues, or colorism, I hold them accountable if I morally believe it’s their fault. However, it’s okay to unstan if you’re uncomfortable.
literally...with the Lucas mess I was willing to believe it was lies with how much credible evidence there was to discount the claims, until EVERYONE came out of the woodwork with claims and allegations that Did hold up. especially after the s/a allegation came out, I wasn't gonna stand by being a fan of a man that a) doesn't know me personally and b) doesn't need me, a random person on the internet, to defend him when he can hire lawyers to do that. people forget that idols are not only human, but that we /dont/ know them personally and therefore we owe them Nothing, especially when it comes to such serious allegations. we didnt sign a contract to passionately defend them at any cost, so why do people carry on like they did?
like literally. I ult loona but do you see me blaming bbc for their mocking of mudras? no, I hold them accountable.
Literally every group I stan are problematic cause there's no groups that aren't problematic except some of the rookies ofc
I want to ask something bcz i really don't know anything about this.. pls don't misunderstand.. What is colorism? I mean if someone use black color or something then does it mean racist/racism? Actually i couldn't understand the nct thing..can you pls explain if you don't mind?
@@THEBOOKOFUS sorry for asking but are you an Indian?
it just sucks how SOME of these people make decent songs but their personalities suck
THIS
Ugh yes Make A Wish by NCT is a total bop but the music video and outfits are so fucking problematic
@@Manic-Pixie-Dream-Ghoul and I think the (I don't know what is it) Lucas didn't really stood out to me
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@@Manic-Pixie-Dream-Ghoul how are they problematic like srsly what I am Indian and none of it was offending they did not once make fun of anything like come in yall
Zico's "yellow skin, but I got a black soul" will forever be in the halls of haunting lyrics. Blurgh ruins that song for me, poor Dean.
YELLOW SKIN?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!😨
What's wrong with that XD?
Dean deserves better
what does dean have todo w/ that though
@sakunakomin that's zico's song 🤦
You cant talk about cultural appropriation with having blackpink in your stan list...💀💀
lol yeah shes racist just like her faves
@@re1ributionbp aren’t racist 🌚
@@ninimonae7929 theyve mocked desi/indian people countless times, jisoo and rose both mocked an indian dance on a radio show, jennies D4 pic wearing indian jewelry and the hylt set having inappropriate statues. educate urself before u try to defend ur faves 🌚
@@re1ributionand don’t even get me started on the cultural appropriation of black people…
@Malia-q1f5b and the fact the creator is a black girl too like....messy
i will never forgive tiktok for making me stream any song and almost getting me into zico before knowing what he did
THISSS all the idols were doing the challenge and stuff so i was bopping 🥲
what’d he do?
@@edify.9018 better u search because he is so problematic that i can't say all the tings he has done
@@edify.9018 but the most memorable was supporting na€is, not treating woman good, mooking lgtbiq+ community, thailand people and black people
@@ssnowycloud wait i don't like zico, I'm filipino but where did he mock Filipinos? idk plz send link
Yes I ult Nct, yes I actually hold them accountable and don’t always blame the stylists, yes we do exist 😔🙈🤩
Me too.
Yeah, me too :(
!!
yes !!
as you should !! i like some nct songs and like nctzens 😢
I will say this about namjoon, I think it's more noble and admirable to admit to ones faults and see that your behavior and actions can affect others, I found his "apology" to be apt on the grounds that he simply didn't apologize, which anyone can do in sincerity or abstaince of sincerity, but rather took responsibility for his actions and words, which most people don't do
In a very half-assed manner
Agreed. He didn't apologize properly. But he didn't repeat his mistakes again. Hoping he would apologize in the future. Many people want him to apologize properly.
@@euphoriya09 a black you couldve worded it differently some people might find your wording offensive just lyk
@@damauryaywright5796 Oh
Okay I am really sorry. I would change it. I hope I didn't offend anyone.
@@user-fc5jb8gz6y yes, but he acknowledged that he could do better and never did the same mistake again. humans learn as they grow, I understand that rm must've had enough common sense and yet he still made a mistake but he may have overlooked the mistake accidentally cuz no leader would want their group to go thru tough times. And ironically, now I'm a person that was inspired by his forever rain song.
realizing what you did wrong and admitting it and growing and never making the same mistake again is so much more important than "im sorry" seriously like namjoon even talked about it at the UN. this is more than what any other idol has done, but y'all are just not ready to accept that
yeah seriously! We ALL make mistakes!! Everyone does!! except for idols it's caught on camera and people are way harder on them. Just because you say something offensive without knowing it is, doesn't mean you mean it. For the others idk because idk enough about them. But Namjoon acknowledged everything and evolved, which is the best thing anyone could do. It's good that this video is making people aware about what idols have done wrong in the past, but this cancel culture is killing me. Like, I've heard many people around me saying some things that could be a bit problematic but it's because they don't know. Honestly, if we had to cancel everyone who says one bad little thing, we would all be cancelled. Your reaction after it is what matters! Being educated and acknowledging your mistakes and wanting to do better is what matters to me. not for everything tho like if you kill someone or something 😂But for Namjoon's case, I know he's evolved, learned and that's what matters. We should seriously stop cancelling people for one little thing. I'm not even saying that bc I love BTS, it's just...If you cancelled every person around you who has done or said one little thing like that, you would be all alone. And also, by saying all that, I'm not saying I don't blame them for what they said or did. Not at all, it's just that I don't think they all deserve so much punishment. And as for the Jessi thing, what is wrong with her darkening her skin? Literally so many people do that, even Ariana Grande! >I don't think it's a probem, like, let the people do what they want? 😓Sorry for that long reply 😦
Y’all need to stop tryna tell black people how to feel for once. If she doesn’t think it’s a good apology about him appropriating HER CULTURE, then she doesn’t have to accept the ‘apology’
@@seulgisknife8155 I am not telling them or forcing them to accept his apology, but as a black person I have seen how much he has changed and learned from his mistakes and how many times he's said that he regrets and hates his past self all of that and accepted it. don't wanna accept his apology? fine. but there's no need to keep bringing it up when it was like 6 years ago and he hasn't done anything since then like that which shows that he meant what he said it's ridiculous at this point
@@loveIy320 bts have had some recent ca but whatever
@@seulgisknife8155 lmao when
Jay park's whole existence is *problematic*
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I COULD HAVE WENT MY WHOLE LIFE WITHOUT SEEING AMBER KISSING THTAD DUDE
WHY ARE THERE 50 REPLIES ITS NOT THAT DEEP
Same I need bleach she was eating his face 😵💫
ikr its so heterosexual
Same same
@@kt-yj3bq what's wrong with being heterosexual?
@Mystic Shadows nothing people just wanna be edgy
Wheein best girl shes so amazing I love how she sings shes finally free
@@dearartms i wouldnt say their evil but the amount of times theyve done blackface, cultural appropriation, saying the n-word is really problematic. im aware that people can learn from their mistakes and become a better person, (even mamamoo) but they had many opportunities to listen to the backlash they were getting from black people and stop doing ignorant stuff, but yet they keep making the same mistakes over and over again. which tells me that they dont care to look up the history of the n word and why its so offensive, or blackface, durags, etc. Im mainly talking about Hwasa because shes the main one that does this stuff consistently.
@@jadabrown1455 i really respect your opinion i really do and i definitely see how it looks for someone when u write down the "crimes" but again the lack of context is making them look like villains. yes they did blackface, it was ignorant and they apologised 5 times. cultural appropriation i don't really remember if they ever done that? and n word, that was with one member - she was at radio station and they gave her explicit version of Beyonce song. she didn't know english so she was just reading off the paper what they gave her. so i don't think she was intentionally trying to say racial slurs. about durag, she saw it in rihanna fenty collection and even non black people wore it on advertising so she probably assumed she can wear it too. again u can read about it on mamamoo_debunked twt. and they never did their same mistakes twice? from where did you get that?
@@dearartms I appreciate the outside sources and I'm glad I'm having this conversation with someone. I will say it was completely unnecessary to add "crimes" to you're response. I never said they were but I did say that they were offensive and problematic. As a black women its hard trying to stan groups and invest so much time and money to later find out that they do these hurtful things. I also don't think you have the right to forgive kpop artists when it comes to racism and cultural Appropriate against black people. You aren't affected by these issues. I'm not trying to change you're mind obviously, but I want you to see a different point of view.
@@jadabrown1455 sorry for late reply! the crimes was indeed unnecessary i unfortunately had this word first in my mind and since english isn't my first language, i failed to find better fitting word. but also the way people talk about mmm and what they did, they act like they r coldblooded murd3r3rs or something... obviously what they did was problematic and offensive and that cannot be brushed off. but it's also important to note that what they did was really just ignorance and not trying to be actually racist? like you know the people who see someone and just start being nasty, saying awful stuff etc? i don't think mmm would ever do that like they are pretty open about their love for black and brown artists, for example Bruno Mars beyonce rihanna weekend etc. like do you think racist awful person would be fangirling over Beyonce? hard to believe. i don't know what groups you stan but unless they are like super nugu, there is likelihood that they probably did something offensive and same for western artists. you obviously don't have to stan anyone problematic and i can imagine how hard is it after they do something problematic. i never said i forgave mmm, it's not my place to do that. i just did research, looked at context and assumed that they really weren't trying to mock and hurt anyone. i totally see, respect your opinion and agree with it. i am not affected by what they did but that doesn't have to stop me from discussion? like yeah big floods and tornado in [insert country] is not personally affecting me but that doesn't mean i can't feel sad about it or try to somehow help them, yknow? thanks for the discussion tho, it's nice to see someone who is willing to do that
Also sorry for write this after 3 moths that discussion ended, but I really want to share this video bc I'm tired of people calling them problematic when they actually trying to educate themselves, as they don't do this type of actions since they've did it
(thanks for be open to discussing civil about this topic)
People need to realise that not everything is about the US. The words like 'cultural appropriation' or 'blackfishing' and their meanings literally don't exist in most countries outside america. They are not in the vocabularies, they just don't exist and nobody sees it as something out of ordinary. Especially in asian closed off countries such as korea, of course it happens. What matters is that idols stop doing it after being called out. They don't know until somebody tells them. However, times are changing and people are learning about the words trough social media, so fans have the right to keep the new gen of kpop idols up to a higher standard
True, as long as they don't do it again then it's good. Many situations are just them being ignorant and not racist, which means that they're not entirely bad people, and just need to learn more.
Thank you! Finally someone said it. Like the world doesn’t revolve around the western countries. I literally had an argument with someone online that not everyone knows what the n word means because they don’t speak English. I agree we should educate idols about this but sometimes they literally just don’t know
Yes, this ! I'm north african, and the cultural appropriation stuff is still very confusing to me, what's wrong with wearing other cultures's items ? Isn't that a good thing ? And for blackfishing, not everyone knows the history of the US, as you said, the world doesn't revolve aourd the US. It's mostly ignorance and lack of education than racism.
Preach absolute spot on 👏
y'all don't get it. if they're an idol that can't speak english, ofc they're ignorant but it's okay. jessi, jay park, they're both fluent
the fact that NCT as a whole is on the list💀😭
Yes, it's sad because I stan them...
@@juansuarez0126 i feel you
@@juansuarez0126 same
@@popseulgi like literally girl didn't even put a legit point like tf just cuz you can't keep up that doesn't mean others can't too.
@@Lanadelrey___7777 girl shut up, even if you stan nct it’s okay to call them out for the problematic things that they’ve done
I feel like y’all are very blind to the fact that korea itself is very colorist .. you see it from interviewers and random people all the time . Regarding Asian beauty standards your skin must be white , so white that you look like a dead person . That is the main beauty standard in Asian culture and it has been for centuries. Although these colorist “jokes” are very much normalized in Korea which isn’t okay at all and Korea is just now learning about other races and what is and isn’t offensive . I feel like we can hold our favorite idols accountable for the things they do but also to keep in mind why they think the way they do and the surroundings the grew up in . But in terms of black stereotypes that’s something we need to stop people from giving in to , not just to these idols but we need to stop them bye reaching beyond idols
this needs more likes
i agree .
I think people who are Kpop fans can’t escape the fact that Korea is colorist
Doesn’t make it okay
Again, just because everyone is doing it, doesn’t make it right
It’s a shitty ideology on its own, regardless of racism
If Korea could prove how it’s useful to their society…, but they can’t because it’s not
They can get rid of it, just like the anti gay sentiments
And I’d rather fans condemn the practices than give them a pass
Hopefully that will lead the artist to change and hopefully enough of them have enough influence over the rest of society
People in the states are bigots, for various reasons
And I’d expect any fans, even foreigners, of US artists to call them out on it
@@p0rnany0ne whose giving them a pass ? I said it wasn’t right, but be mindful of the way that korea has impacted there way of thinking . And that’s no excuse but I’d like people to keep in mind because when it comes to this topic people want to act shocked to all of this
@@jadajadapatton6374 plenty of fans ignore the behavior by saying that it’s just a part of their culture or that they don’t know any better
I'm so glad you included the fact that he disrespected Islam in the Jay Park section, people usually ignore the disrespect idols do to Islam. Even when they're talking about an idol who did a lot of stuff including Islam but don't mention it. It's like it doesn't matter. Thank you! Literally made me hit a like 💖
@Mee_ki ok and? People should still be educated enough to know that disrespecting religions isint good. Especially when someone from that religion hasn’t done anything to you.
I feel you, when Christians or Catholics get disrespected, no one cares and shuts down our opinion as “sensitive”
@@idk_23-t3d There's nothing wrong with criticizing organized a religion or idea. Whereas, being bigoted against its followers is. Don't expect everyone to agree with your religious views/ideas, because the world doesn't revolve around you. Where it does cross the border, is when you're actively prejudiced against its people.
@@luisannydelanuez334 Lol there's a fine line between critizing a religion vs it's people. You don't need anyone from a specific religion doing something wrong to criticize it. Like you are criticizing an ideology, not the people. It's the same as disliking a book you read. Does that mean you hate the readers of that book? No. And if you're a reader of a book and are offended by it's criticism, then you need to grow up and realize everyone has different opinions. Freedom of speech, you guys. And not saying that hating the followers of said religion, or being racist, sexist, etc. is included as freedom of speech, just hate speech at that point... For example I am an atheist and I dislike the religion I was brought up in, but I see followers of that religion all around me, every single day. I don't hate them. Just not a fan of their ideology.
@@runpheonix9926 i see, but that’s not what I was saying. If you hate religion, try not to bring down those who like it or who follow it. The Jay Park thing is a good example, God is very much real to us, and him asking people to worship him like we worship God is just offensive, doesn’t matter if he respects the people or not. And like you said, you can respect the believers, but just because you don’t like religion it’s self doesn’t mean that your should disrespect it because it offends the followers, whether you intended to or not. But I do think some aspects of religion should change, we need more freedom, and we need to stop sending people to hell, cause only God can do that. I’m very sorry about your experience with religion, I truly am 💜
you know what's funny? the person who edited this video gave reasons to why can't they stand those idols, and most of them are understandable reasons, BUT how can someone have issues with idols being racist and doing cultural appropriation but, when their favorites are doing both of these things like the girl in their profile picture, they completely ignore it? 🤔
where is this energy when blackpink are constantly being cultural insensitive? what about lisa overusing aave in her verses? these 4 girls being appropriating different cultures as much as nct and yet I don't see them in this video..make some sense PLEASE
Ikr
very true, Namjoon, who accepted his past mistakes on a platform like UN, is problematic but BP isn't. what's the logic
What have rose, jennie and jisoo done that was culturally insensitive?
@@vatsala1902 namjoon didnt apologise lol.
@@triplej8666 they never said he did, but that he has taken responsibility for his mistakes and hasn’t done anything problematic in years unlike bp every cb
I think it's an issue of their mono-cultural values clashing against our multi-cultural ones. These idols grew up with everyone around them saying that those thoughts are normal. That's why they say things without shame. Nobody has to challenge ignorant thoughts if everyone is saying it's okay, which is different from our culture where we have diverse schools of thought in constant war against each other.
When k-idols go on a show and say something ignorant and then the grown-ass adult hosts echo the same sentiment it makes my blood boil, but as a life-long anime fan (in the 2000s the anime scene was like the wild wild west of political correctness), I learned how to find a balance between having my own thoughts on things, understanding my place as a guest in someone else's culture, and sticking up for things that really matter.
International fans are viewing media from another culture that is not catered to us. In the west, we're used to debating stuff out and tbh we're likely to have subconscious colonialist attitudes, where if we don't like things about another culture we'll muscle in and tell them how to run things. I don't think it's our place to do that with Korean culture.
However, that doesn't mean we have to lap up the blatant ignorance either. We have to do what we think is right while understanding that we're just a viewer of someone else's culture.
I think this topic is too mature for kpop stans lmaoo like they cant think this deep. But if kpop wants to appease the international fans theyll have to learn🤷♀️
ic ur point i truly do BUT if it's inherently offensive, we still gotta call them out. Like for example, colorism. As a south asian, colorism is problematic but it's also super ingrained and normalized to the point a lot of south asians grow up not realizing how messed up the mindset is. Ofc when a kpop idol does something colorist it BOILS my blood but i also tell myself they don't know how offensive it is so we can't blame them. But we still gotta call them out bc a) colorism is wrong b) thats how they'll learn. Even if colorism is normal in korean culture it's inherently wrong so we gotta call these idols out. Also if an idol is mocking someone's race well we gotta call them out to bc if theyre speaking on that person's culture we have to do it as well. and it isn't fair for thme to mock certain races specifically black ppl, when kpop is built of black culture
(this is a long ramble oops)
@@seokiology colorism exists everywhere
@@meemaw2200 it is but in some places (ex. east and south asia) its extremely normalized. like in the west ppl acknowledge its an issue but it isn't so in asia
defo
nah cuz as an nctzen, it pisses me off that haechan is always the target of the colourist ass remarks, like i get its normalized where they’re from, but it doesn’t make it okay
Deadass 💀like……
Also I heard that lucas has been victim of remarks I am not sure tho
@@sunshinehope6381 this was on a variety show.
when yuta called haechan burnt i was about to throw hands 💀
Yes it doesn't make it okay but yall it's not right to hate on them for that being white or pale skinned is considered superior and this has been deeply engraved in every Asian person head. It takes time to get out and break these norms and it takes courage to stand against everyone. I don't think yall realise how deeply this issue is rooted in Asian culture. Ofcourse we should hold them accountable and tell them when its wrong but hating in them is so not the solution
I've never been annoyed with an idol like I am Jessi.... someone tell this girl she is NOT black.
Fr though I used to like her because "she wasn't afraid to show her skin color" but she is not naturaly like that
@@cheesecakebuns9383 she is trying to be black she just like to tan her skin and she likes that colour
@@minshe7456 wait can yo u say that again im confused at your comment
Umm- wait, I didn't get that... Can you explain?:)
WAIT SHE'S NOT BLACK?!? EVER SINCE 2019 IVE ALWAYS THOUGT SHE WAS BLACK LOL
When you think rap is all about "fitting in your slays", this comes out. Throughout these years Moonbyul has given one of the most empowering lyrics, lyrics supporting lgbt+ love, the most witty, the most soft.
But people who worships commercial shit.. just won't understand...
if they don’t like it .. they don’t like it simple.
@@unique-q9o There's a difference b/w dislike & hate. The point is not about preferences, the point is them insulting & discrediting somebody just because they don't fit in their 'set standards'.
Ik their style for kpop rappers is afro Braids, African American vernacular English, and Black Accent, that moonbyul doesn't fit in.
I didn't said anything wrong.
@@uzeev i’m confused on where that came from … all i said was if they didn’t like the rap that moonbyul has then they don’t have to .. simple .
@@unique-q9o don't try to defend an obvious hate with 'choices & prefrences'. Pls you'll get so many chances to spread your wisdom but this is neither the place nor the occasion.
If you can't see what's wrong.. just leave.
@@uzeev i’m not defending anyone .. i don’t even like some of the things they’ve said about a group i stan or whatever.. i’m just simply saying they don’t have to like it if they don’t want to .. don’t get all in your feelings .
At this point, Blackpink is problematic too. Idk why you didnt add them here, cause youre a blink? They did CA not once but many times and never apologised. Lisa once did but still doesn't mean that the whole group apologized.
Ik blackpink is problamatic and this youtuber didn't spoke about her because she is a blink
The title of this video isn’t “problematic kpop idols”, the title is “kpop idols I literally can’t stand”. BP are her ults so obviously they’re not gonna be in a video about kpop idols she can’t stand?? Y’all need to learn how to read
@@nsable2109 Just because BP aren’t in a video, doesn’t mean that OP doesn’t hold them accountable for their actions? Like y’all can’t be this slow
@@seulgisknife8155 i literally cant stand means they did something problematic that the fandom cant approve lmao
@@iyuiexo7409 Bro what
Oh my girl too. Man nonstop slaps I just wish that they weren't so racist towards my race (I'm indian). The curry song was beyond offensive and mocking my religion was the last straw. Fucking shame that they're so talented, it would be easier to hate them if they were bad artists.
Yeah so true
It upsets me so much as an Indian
@Nina Young It's an offensive song where the stereotype and insult Indian's.
@Nina Young what to do? People honestly don't give a fuck most of the time.
Wait- what?? I just got to know this
Yep and also how they also offended Mexicans, they should have been on this list lol
Well I actually like moonbyul's rap in aya... its my favorite.. but its okay because everyone has their own opinion ♡
Ya and she hasn't heard eclipse I think
Yasss aya was so good but dingga is just .-.
The only good thing about mamamoo is Solars hair flip in AYA. Fax. (In my opinion)
@@thatminari solars eyebrows in aya was *chefs kiss*
@@dino.nuggies2382 yeah!!!
About mamamoo, i know they did black face but you mentioned the ad at solar that ad wasn't a whitening ad it was about a skin care product that has like the same effect or feel like bathing in milk(that's why they brought up Cleopatra, because she bathed in milk a lot for skincare) and at hwasa that outfit you show was a korean sauna outfit(not a regular one but i think a more luxury one but not sure about the type) and i think we shouldn't hate an idol because her rap/sing style changed or she doesn't rap/sing like in the past. It's okay to change in rap/music style throughout the years
It's weird u can say all of this but not mention one damn thing about Lisa or even all of Blackpink, the queens of cultural appropriation
@ø lisa and her box braids aren't bps only problem
@ø some idols apologized too, yet they were dragged into this vid
BP are one of her ults. So tell me why BP would be in a video she makes called “kpop idols I literally can’t stand”? Like you can’t be this slow
@@seulgisknife8155 all the reasons she can't stand the other idols r things that bp also does so it don't make sense??
@@Szaknj BP aren’t saints. But most of the idols in this video are openly anti-black and racist. BP may be ignorant and in need of some educating, but from my eyes, they aren’t blatantly racist. And before y’all ask, yes I’m black
ok i just want to talk about the part where u said moonbyuls rapping has gotten worse. rapping isnt about how fast you rap or how many words per seconds or something like that, so i dont think moonbyuls rapping is that bad rn because ngl i used to like that rap. as for the rest i totally agree
hey just so you know, there is on twitter thread by acc mamamoo_debunked and it explains everything, they r not as problematic as u think they are plus majority of the problems come from being ignorant, not intentionally being evil. and i see u stan Dahyun, i guess she is from twice right? twice is pretty problematic as well
@@dearartms girl it's not a competition?? why are you bringing other groups into this when they're literally just talking about moonbyul's rapping?? (didn't even say too much abt mamamoo being problematic 😭)
For real Moonbyul is innocent in all this. As innocent as wheein the only reason the creator mentioned her is because moonbyul’s style of rapping has changed- newsflash ppl change
@@dearartms They were literally talking about rapping. What was the point of bringing in another subject and other people that aren’t even Associated with that group? Don’t try shifting the blame.
@@Julie-xe2px yeah. Moons old rap style was my favorite but the new one is also amazing. Their music style also changed so that can be another reason her rap style changed.
Imagine how us desi fans feel along with black fans 🥲
Ikrr
Not trying to be disrespectful I just don't know the meaning but what is Desi?
@@kingtaeminemsglasses desi is basically another way of saying South Asian, desi means "motherland" in most Indian languages
@@yunjeans oh ok thanks
@@kingtaeminemsglasses actually desi means ppl from Bangladesh, Pakistan and india in short the old india (since these three countries were together)
I love how she put all the idols but forget to put black pink they also did cultural appropriation .it shows how their faves are not included in the list
Well if they're her faves then obviously it wouldn't make sense to put them in a video based of idols she can't stand. And you can like a group while holding them accountable. We shouldn't assume she doesn't hold blackpink accountable for what they've done
@@star-yx9yo It just my assumption that she can't stand those idols because they did CA but she can stand her faves. That's what I am trying to say. If she can't stand other idols then she shouldn't stand her faves. She is double faced people if it their faves then okay but others no.
@@lilacbwii7_ im pretty sure she holds her favs accountable like we all do(??) plus this is honestly her opinion. yeah all idols are problematic n have done insensitive shit however half of these idols she noted never get penalized for their actions n when they are they get a slap on the wrist
@@khocaine6479 I think everyone do mistakes. Idols are humans too but people think that celebrities are some kinds of God's who should never do mistakes. People do mistakes and learn from them. And most of people don't know about others people culture until and unless we are not taught. I just called out her because she didn't include her faves and how unfairly she treated between her faves and other idols. That's just my opinion too.
@@lilacbwii7_ because they’re her favs for a reason hint the video “kpop idols I can’t stand” why would she put her ults in the video 💀
i was expecting to see suju on here cuz of the amount of sexist and homophobic bs they’ve done and the fact that they all just straight up rude to their juniors. they don’t even make good music 😭😭
OOP-
@@heroineblink part 2 please.
yeahhh me too
@@rhea1671 manifesting it 😌
Who is suju please tell me?
The editing is just gorgeous I can’t 😩😩😩
OMG I LOVE YOUR VIDEOS😍
I LOVE UR VIDSSS
You never notice me, but I still love you...You are 👀savage👀 and AMAjin.. Senpai, love me(am a fangirl)
He's terriboo your honor hes really terrible
@@heroineblink which app are u using for editing love ur edit.
it’s so annoying that these idols can do literally anything under the excuse that “they don’t know any better” but when the racism and discrimination is against them both the fans and themselves learn everything about it pretty quick 🤩 plus not knowing something isn’t a excuse to not apologize and recognizing what you did and why is hurtful these idols have MONEY and INTERNET!!!!
Yeah that's true too but a lot of people don't realize I also feel like a lot of Western influence plays into this type of stuff and Korea it's just a horrible mix because they see ppl in West do it so they think it's okay to mimic which it's not and then when they get called out they deflect because they feel like they never did nothing wrong which is how you know this is to normalize and it's sad
get a life
@@coryhawley738 shut up
i agree. idk why stans have difficulty to hold their idols accountable? like they bring the excuse " they were small nd babies" even jisung of skz apologized when hewas called out this yr for saying n word at 13 so age doesnt simplify it
@@kookiekiki no you
Moonbuyl rapping???
Girl she is legit one of the best rappers out there in kpop and the only female rapper who owns 95% of writing credits for her raps. She alone can beat all top 3 ggs rapline.
I really dont understand ur hate towards Mamamoo???? And talking about CA arent Blackpink queens in doing CA
atleast mamamoo apologised ab their ca (no hate to bp tho)
i know right. you can clearly see from her name that she is a blink and she just ignored all the problematic things that bp have done (no hate to bp tho, i love them) but she is so quick to hate on moonbyul when she is literally rapping so well
maybe people have different taste. I enjoy most of mamamoo’s song but i almost always have to skip through moonbyul rap. I don’t hate the girl, i just can’t listen to them…they are not good imo
@@thaotrangvu984 moobyul has not raps that outshine, but she doesnt have a bad verse which is pretty rare for rappers, especially when we know she came as a singer.
Her rapstyle might sound strange for some casual listeners, yet she raps well with various flow, voice inflexion, intonation etc. She's top tier gg rapper for sure, or u dont like listening to rap.
I wil ltake the example of lisa, (I love her verses) but she's abusing triplets and simple flows usually, that sound gound but arent impressive compared to what moonbyul can do.
EXACTLY OMG, bp did racist stuff too, and apparently they arent included in this video but groups like mamamoo are. cmon, if youre black and are gonna hate on groups for being racist, hate ALL of the groups that did racist things, not pick certain groups youre gonna hate on and certain ones youre gonna love. sigh, kpop stans are so hypocritical.
i love how you’re a genuine mature person and you’re talking about serious things instead of just hating on people for existing. and on a side note, NOT saying racist things is the bare minimum. and those idols can’t even do that. JAIL YALL JAIL.
ahh ty bb
@@heroineblink np!! ly
What? They are literally shitting on the idol's talent instead of their actions lmao
you’re saying they’re being mature when honestly they’re being childish. i agree that the idols did shit and that’s cool they’re bringing awareness yet they could’ve been more mature about it.
@@jiminjams52 huh?? it’s giving racism apologist...
J park slander adds 50 years to my life 🥰
This is a genuine question, but why are people always complaining about "idol apologies" not being good enough? Like what kind of apology would be good enough for you? What else can you do besides apologizing and explaining it in a situation where you've hurt people's feelings? You can't undo things you've done so the only thing is to say sorry. It's a whole another story if they still continue doing harmful things but not everyone is like that and still people complain about the "apology videos not being good enough".
Most idols only apologize when they get caught or called out while others will say in the apologies that the ppl offended are "haters "
i mean people have the right to accept it and not not everyone is gonna be satisfied everyone sees it different
@@jaegabyeonhae
Still get mad ?most ppl get angry cuz of the stans, they think everyone should accept the apologies
I agree but that exactly where the problem is because most idols don't actually talk specifically about the problematic stuff, the just walk around it and get out the "I made horrible things in the past and I want to apologize" card, like they're not even mentioning the things they got called off because it would be admitting they were racist, homophobic, misogynist, etc.
I do believe that an apology video is a good idea, but if you are just going to be vague, if somebody else is telling you what to do and you're only doing it to save your career (and not because you actually hurt people) and keep doing it again and again cause you didn't Lear anything then I am sorry but that "apology" is useless and pointless
THANK YOU 🙄
People STILL come for Mamamoo when the only thing they've done was blackface, and when informed by fans that it was wrong, they apologized twice (once through a statement and second in front of fans), and RBW also apologized. We say idols should apologize, but when they do you still drag them for their actions years later? That makes zero sense. Hwasa sang the n word because it was given in the lyrics by the staff. She doesn't speak English to know. And she wore a durag because it was in Rihanna's Fenty line (with even non black models wearing it), and she's a huge fan of Rihanna. I wish kpop fans would actively try to find the correct information and context before making videos like this but no one cares because they're not affecting their faves
THANK YOU!!
And even then what's wrong ab wearing a durag????
Reread that first line again. Tell me you think you sound rational.
@@madysyneaves if you read you see that they didnt know and apologized multiple times
@@shaunyjimenez9637 You can’t be serious
ambers kissing scene is very... INTERESTING
traumatizing.
@@heroineblink truly lmao
other people 😢
its mentally DISTURBING 😬
off topic but i’m loving yukika in the background, y’all should check our her songs!
YESS I LOVE HER SONGS
I'm not aware of other groups, but as someone who has recently been into kpop I was first against mmm due to their "problematic" behavior. But when someone on Twitter called out and discussed the Hwasa hate paradigm, I changed. The fact that many people are unaware of culture appropriation, including myself was revealed. Many countries still believe being dark skinned is ugly and right now that connotation is beginning to change.
If you would've asked me a year ago, I would've not been able to answer anything related to such issues. MMM has changed a lot, they're human and they're learning. They've incorporated so much into their music, and that's what changed my mind about them. So before you hold them back because of their mistakes, I'd like to ask you to see how far they've come. There's holding accountable and blatantly hating for someone's mistakes.
Thank you for taking time and learning more about them. I never thought of them as racists rather ignorant
@@dream.5708 i DONT REGRET IT IM A MOOMOO now-
mamamoo made me get through hard times im so sad because this person put them in the same video with a person like san e 😢
I didnt even know what cultural appropriation was or racism in general until I came to America
No one cares.
Of course the editor is a blink lol
girlie is mad bcs her fav group came💀
Jennie literally collabed with zico lol
the only reason these stans like jessi is because she acts like the stereotypical black girl. Yk, being loud and “ratchet”. It’s the fact that someone told She isn’t blackfishing and it’s just a tan, when girlie is blacker than me on rainy days
I don't think that's the only reason people like her tho. I'm Black and I'm a huge Jessi fan just cause her personality is contagious and she makes dope music
Yes. Like maybe instead of stanning a blackfisher who uses and steals black people's culture for money you could actually stan REAL black women who make actual good music.
@@liliaochoasalazar9253 WELL SAID‼️ like at least black women some credit?? There are so many amazing black women out who go under the rug but y’all wanna stan someone who isn’t even black but tries to be?
@@liliaochoasalazar9253 well said and agreed to a point but is she really Blackfishing? cause I would say no in my opinion
@@666HYUCK most of her fans dont deny she acts Black but we dont see it as a big issue me and my mom joke about it cause its not that serious lol
gdragon and friends was missing 😢
making a WHOLE video about them
@@heroineblink add jyp and super senior (maybe 2ne1 and gidle too? idk)
I will never forget gdragon doing blackface and saying the n-word. Its so hard to stan kpop as a black person 😭😭.
@@heroineblink Also wendy imitating black ppl on a show and exo racist, colorist comments
@@itsmethatqueen4188 didn't basically everyone else do it too
i was expecting suju like they are sexist,homophobic,racists and what not
IDK WHO THAT IS
@@heroineblink super junior
@@kijoring4560 you mean super senior lmao?
a blink talking abt cultural appropriation ☠😭☠😭☠😭😭
They see these comments but will never take accountability for it even though most K-pop idols in the video did take accountability…. hypocrite if you ask me
Fr 💀 like some idols actually did take accountability while bp never did I remember the hate they got for putting an Indian god statue in their mv and still said nth abt it 💀
at least mamamoo and namjoon apologized (apparently) but what have we gotten from bp? lisa fake crying and apologizing on a fancall to keep the heat off her? yeah okay 🙄
Actually sorn’s story saying ppl needed to chill was posted before she posted the picture with her friend
OP needs to see this
Omg I didnt know...
was it tho? I remember it being after because I immediately unfollowed lol
@@quackquack2436 nope it was before for sure, not long but still before
no that's not true. this video debunks ur claim th-cam.com/video/POZNfzI0b4g/w-d-xo.html
she did say the story was for something else and not the situation but i dont buy it
The only thing I'll critique on is that Amber did actually apologise (written statement) and she said she would educate herself. She is absolutely still accountable, but apologising for what she said does change the story you're trying to tell. Whether you knew that and decided not to include it to make a point, or you didn't, just thought it was an important fact to say.
Also another thing to add was the t-shirt she mentioned was already debunked by an actual Chinese speaker. I get calling her out, but this person should seriously do more research
tbh idk why people are mad at her still, the jk news video was taken out of context. after apologizing she went and educated herself, donated to BLM, and went to BLM protests in LA. edit: feels like she held herself accountable at least
The video was also out of context. Her and the other people on the video said they didn't even know the man was black. If you watch the full video one of the girls even said she didn't know he was black literally seconds after Amber's comments and afterwards the same girl came out and reiterated that they had not seen the video and didn't know race was a part of the issue. This isnt obvious from the clips because they play the video for the viewers but the JK News crew and amber actually didn't see see video during their discussion. Only one of the guys saw it before. Also, Amber not only apologized after the controversy but after another member of the crew (the one who had already seen the video and knew the issue beforehand) pointed it out to her within that same video which the clip is taken from. And as another person said, Amber went to BLM protests and donated to BLM. She also called for prosecution of George Floyd's murderers. I don't see how people hate her so much and cancel her but bend over backwards for others who not only were racist but have never apologized or done meaningful action for the betterment of the lives of black people.
@@itspowers9107 all 👏of 👏 this!
It's very obvious thr hate Amber gets is not charged by her comments but charged on just hating her as a person for who she is. Amber is actually one of the _least_ problematic idols and I'd argue popular idols nowadays like NCT and BTS has literally done so much worse than she has, but she gets way worse treatment
Some very obvious double standards are happening here
its funny how koreans will call a black people a ngga faster than lighting but will praise jessi... that's very weird to me.
Korean media has always made fun of her skin tone, surgeries, how bad her Korean was, and how she acted too American all throughout her career. She didn't have mainstream popularity in Korea until she blew up internationally. No one really took her seriously until she got signed under PNation.
Crazy how blackpink isnt here espsically jennie and lisa
Yeah, this blink channel is very toxic. Very harshly criticizing other idol groups but blind to blackpink's own many faults. Blink are like trash, like their Idols.
I really don’t understand why this TH-camr says she doesn’t like CA yet she completely ignores the fact that her favs should also be held accountable for what they have done.
she claims to hold ur faves accountable but yet bp isnt here💀
im kinda done with the hypocritical behaviour, kpop stans and armys still keep dragging namjoon for the mistakes he made (which he's accepted and actively worked on, AND hes one of the few idols who's actually shown development and educated himself) but stay silent abt the others bts members who've done similar stuff but have never addressed any of it (I know they're all educated now) and this isnt me shifting blame bc i love the boys equally, but like keep the same energy for all of them if you're going to talk abt problematic pasts
THIS
@@thefirstlovestorythatyoong1893 Lisa apologized for doing cultural appropriation in a fansign event bruh and in my opinion I don't think they do cultural appropriation except for Lisa (becuz she has chose the hairstyle herself in the money dance video) I mean who knows sometimes their stylist can also give them the style but I'm not sure tho (don't attack me idk about the namjoon case, sorry for my bad English tho)
cough cough *jimin,jk *
@@lilyoongi146 can you tell me what jk did tho?
@@syba08 yeah. Hope she educates other members too
I really do think namjoon is a talented rapper but I also look at him now and his past as changing and growing and what not to do you definitely have a right not to like him because he didn't apologize he only addressed the situation. I also feel like going in debt of why so many of these K-pop idols do these type of things definitely has to do with Korea's colorist ideologies they push on them young and how they get influenced by Western media plus cuz look at namjoon he definitely be dark too like bruh.
My exact thoughts, people grow up, and they still can make mistakes. I find it so annoying when people get mad for stuff that is normal for Koreans and use old clips as proof when the person never did it again and clearly understood it was wrong and changed. Also I can’t see my life without mono, so I am def streaming it because it helps with my anxiety
@@koya326 exactly
Non of that is really excuse I do agree that from what we get to see that he’s grown but again non of that excuses racism towards black people though😕.
@@bryeetsonny9458 when did I say it was 😐
@@bryeetsonny9458 yeah true, but at least he won’t do it again (hopefully)
Ok with the first instance I had to do a lot of research before I could fully understand it.
Blackface- they wanted to pay their respects to the Bruno Mars video and yes I acknowledge that they did Blackface it was really wrong I understand that growing up in the country they did they wouldn’t know the deep rooted harm that causes to Black people. “They still should have known.” I hear this a lot, but when you grow up in a mostly homogeneous country that speak a different language, has a different education system and doesn’t have the history we have you can’t expect them to know what they did was wrong, especially with Black face sadly being normalized in South Korea. The compare if there was something offensive to them that is taught in their history and known by them and not us how are we to know it is offensive?
Hwasa saying the n-word- she didn’t know the meaning of the word and the company themselves placed the word in there for her to sing. For that one I blame the company. “She should know by now.” That was not only a long time ago when Mamamoo wasn’t really popular so they didn’t have much international fame as they do now so they were still limited to the ignorance of their society.
Solar skin ad- It was a face cream not a skin lightening cream.
Here’s a thread that explains it better than me
twitter.com/mamamoodebunked/status/1289636497818177543?s=21
People judge Mamamoo before knowing the truth and doing research.
exactly
_Preach._
Period.
Fax
Don't even bother. Most people who judge them don't even care about racial problematic things they did. They don't like them and these things are an excuse to to drag them to the mud. They apologized, you either forgive or do not forgive. But bringing these up every fucking time it's just not it. What's even the point here? You want idols to take accountability but when they do you still continue spreading hate and misinformations. These people don't want an apology, they want chaos.
If people were to simply not support these artists it would be solve alot of problems but I already know y’all still have them on your playlists.
where is blackpink?? hold your faves accountable too lol
who said she didnt? its idols she cant stand. and she does hold them accountable.
@@yerination8531 she can’t stand them bc they did wrong things and i agree with her but why can she stand blackpink while they did the same shit?
@Elana N yeah they do lol. they've mocked desi culture when wearing desi jewelry especially after literally saying how cultural appropriation is bad. the only female artist to respect culture and appreciate, not appropriate is Alexa. i love bp, but don't act like they're innocent.
@@ria8362
Alexa is so nice, she also respects lgbtqia community! And yet this year while not being held accountable , jisoo offended desi community yet again
That is why i stan miss Kang Seulgi
Unproblematic queen
I love your video. I am Black and even though a lot of the things you say are true. I still like some of their music. It feels like everyone is problematic these days. Everyone has a shady past not just kpop but western artists too. I low key gave up caring not because it isn't important to hold them accountable we should but it is tiring. Kpop is a form of entertainment for me and is like a stress relief from like school, but having to keep up with even idols problematic behavior is getting annoying. I still support some of these idols, but won't invalidate anyone who feels offended by what they did. I am not the fans to defend idols bad behavior unless it is untrue / fake. They all need to have a looonnngggg apology to fans and people they have offended. (P.S. when I say everyone I know not every single one but a vast majority have done something and these are only cases we she on camera, there can be a lot more we don't know). Just my personal take on this issue.
I agree. I still listen to some artists like Neyo, I heard he was colorist but I love their songs but, I won’t support them as a person. I just like their songs.
@@amanidavis3506 Yeah. A lot of black artists themselves are problematic 😐. I can't really complain about kpop artist being colorist, racist etc when my own entertainment industry (America) is just as bad.
THAT PART!!!!
Finally a mature comment
At Jessi thing, fans praise her by calling her "confidence queen" "she's so straightforward" independent and strong. I mean, a girl can be confident and strong without cursing or making a show. And what's the being confident thing about it? If someone is not comfortable with it , (the boobs thing) it's not okay to continue doing it. Most of the time she makes me cringe
Yess, she seems like really a wannabe, she tries too hard to be something she's not, on the other hand Hwasa is the true confident queen who stands up for herself and goes against the very things that tries to restrict her and also makes quality music and is hella talented.
@@BELIEVER78989 lord..
If you don't know in Asia, the beauty standards are ridiculous Jessi is shown to be confident because she's strong even though people in Asia rag on her for not being the ideal beautiful Asian woman(quiet, peaceful. slim figured, and light-skinned). So before you say she's "cringe" you gotta see where she's coming from
@@cheyennehatterene303 fyi I'm an asian myself and other asians countries don't have strict beauty standards except korea Japan and China. And what's with the ideal type? Most of the south asians don't have light skins. And stop bringing the "Asia" thing here. Stop spreading your false opinions here. Asia has many diffrent countries and not every asian women is weak or unconfident. Learn before you speak nonsense
@@cheyennehatterene303 and being "confident" isn't good when others are uncomfortable with it. And if you think every women need to behave like Jessi if they want to be confident, then you must be a 13 year old. No need to see where she's coming from , You can still be a confident person without putting on a show.
And why isn’t blackpink appropriating Hindu culture included?
Y’all be having selective memory fr
Cause they are her/his faves even if they'll continue to do it make fun of someone's culture they'll praise them forever they did so many things but never apologized and here she/he is saying I can't stand "these idols" but can stand her own faves who never used THE "A" OF APOLOGY
Dude UK this is mAtUrIty according to kpop stans 👏
@@fluffyberrrys omfg its literaly ygs fault not lisas like SHE DID NOT FUCKING DESIGN THE SET, yall want reasons to hate her istfg
It's totally fine if you decide not to forgive mamamoo or if you don't want stan Hwasa for the ca. I have nothing to do with that matter. But Solar did absolutely nothing. She was dressed like a korean character in a movie. And regarding the ad, let's face it, many Asians do not want to tan. That's part of their culture. All the idols used that kind of product and they probably still use it. If you don't believe me look at their predebut photos. It is hypocritical to get upset with an idol for being part of an ad promoting a product that your idols probably use. And moonbyul?? You can't stand her because you don't like her rap? Sometimes it worries me how you forget that you are talking about real people, with real feelings. It's sad.
True tho 😐
who cares
Exactly like it almost sounds like she wants attention and wants to use every reason to hate
@@malainabeen4503 And the sad thing is that this person is achieving it. The comment section is full of hate and a bunch of uninformed people ready to cancel them.
I acc looked into into the ad and solar was promoting a milk based mostrizuer not a bleaching product
Yes, i used to really like jessi, but she's a shell of who we thought she was. I used to think she was a -baddie- like you said, like going against kpop standards like pale skin and lying about plastic surgery. But now (also i didnt know she said the nword, gross), I see that she doesn't accept her natural skin tone like she wants us to think, she tans into oblivion, she abuses lip filler, she got a bbl and continues to deny it as if it wasn't obvious, yet she's praised for being an icon for telling ppl she had a boob job. Like yes, that was cool, but now she lies about other procedures, so she's like other idols anyways.
But that’s Jessi, she goes against the standards which makes her stand out!
And if she doesn't want to talk about her procedures than that's her! As she said, it's her buisness so why are people so curious about what she does when it doesn't harm others??
@Mingan exactly!
YESS!!
@@mingan3781 I agree, she doesn’t have to tell people about her procedures to anyone. That’s her business.
I'm not gonna speak about my opinion on the idols because I'm not black or POC, but I WILL talk about how kpop fans will never find apologies to be "good enough". Like, they want idols to apologize, but then they do and it's "so fake" and it "didn't come from the heart". Like what do you want them to do? I understand that they should have not done anything cancellable in the first place, but come on, they're still people, even if they made a mistake. I've done things that I really regret but I can't go back in time. Instead, I can apologize and learn to not do that again. Of course, not all idols should be forgiven.
agreed.
I respect RM. Though in his apology, he didn't say sorry, he still admitted what he did wrong. He didn't exactly apologize but he took responsibility for his mistakes. So I hope you'll reconsider about not supporting his solo music because he worked hard to get where he is now. He's matured a lot now, and he's trying not to repeat the same mistakes anymore
:)
Acknowledge Vs Apology
"Admitting something is wrong" and "actually apologizing" is two different things and not even close. Apologizing is taking responsibility of your actions and show remorse, Armies are excusing him from taking responsibility of his past actions by praising him for stating the obvious which "Racism is wrong". Okay you KNOW your actions are wrong but are you for sorry for doing something wrong? Since he didn't saying he is "sorry" "apologize" "regret" for his deeds then he is NOT sorry. That is reality.
You don't need to say 'sorry' or whatever to make it an apology.
@@joeycraftworkz exactly
you guys have such low standards for apology.
@@ReiAnikaAyanami what kind of apology do u prefer then?
My ult group Ateez got into some hot water a while ago during their Thanxx era because Hongjoong wore a hairstyle that had dreads and braids in it. Fans called them out and immediately not only Hongjoong apologized but so did the company, KQ entertainment, and they immediately changed his hairstyle for the rest of the live stages they did. And he or any of the other members have not worn similar hairstyles since. I am really not asking for Kpop idols to be perfect all the time and make no mistakes because we’re all human, but take accountability for your actions, apologize, and don’t make the same mistake again. What really gets me about some of these idols is that they apologize for their actions then turn around and do the same shit again. It’s why although I love a lot of the NCT members I have a real hard time Stanning them because they keep doing CA shit with their performances, music, and styling.
Don't get me wrong, this is a genuine question! What is wrong with wearing dreads? So many people all over the world do it every day, why is it that kpop idols can't do it?
@@panicatthemuser705 I personally am not black so I feel like I can’t really speak on how the community feels about it, but googling the history of dreads and cultural appropriation is a good way to start I know there are quite a few videos on cultural appropriation on TH-cam! There is an issue with people wearing dreads besides idols as well. It’s just Kpop idols get a lot of heat because they do take influences from other cultures on their music/stylings and some feel that it is cultural appropriation. Again I’m not black, so I fell like I can’t really speak on this, I just love it when my idols are respectful of all cultures! 🤗
@@Manic-Pixie-Dream-Ghoul oh okay thank you!! I understand but at the same time...everyone in the world is using things from every culture right?🤔 like, if it’s to mock the culture or make it look bad, of course people have the right to be mad!! And I’m not a black person so I can’t fully put myself in people’s shoes! But for instance, if european or american people eat with chopsticks, is it cultural appropriation?🤔 Because so many people do that! And so many people have dreads also! Anyway, I’m not trying to discredit anyone’s feelings, just isn’t it a bit too much of a reaction sometimes?😅
@@panicatthemuser705 hi i know this isn't my comment, but i'm black and i thought i should answer your comment. anyways because this is a VERY hurtful view to have and i hope you don't say it again after this... (i understand that you might not know the reason so it's okay) but it's not too much of a reaction for people to be mad because black hairstyles like dreads aren't 'just hair' like many people say. back in slavery times black people were taken forcefully from their countries and abused/tortured very badly and had their culture erased from them, one of the only things they had left was their hair which they used in many ways such as keeping and hiding food inside their braids and also to style creatively which in a way was a symbol of power to them because black hair is very different from others and these styles were used to protect their hair (which is why non-black people shouldn't attempt to do their hair like that, their hair isn't made for those styles and it'll damage it) there's more to the story because black history is a LOT but i hope you understand that it's hurtful for non-black people to style their hair in black hairstyles and ignore the dark history of what black people went through and still go through. you're right that every culture has things that are taken by others but this one is different. it's a symbol of power and strength against the racism that black people went through and STILL go through (i also hope you know that it's not just a problem for k-pop idols to have dreads but non-black people in general, it's just that you have only seen it in k-pop) i hope this makes sense and i encourage you to research on black history by yourself because it's very burdensome for black people to have to explain their trauma to non-black people. let me know if there's anything else you wanna know and sorry if this is long but it's important to say lol
May I also add that Jessi and her friend tried to stuff her manager’s head inside a toilet. She survived but she had a lot of rashes on her face.
She also hates boa, and has mocked her friend "Stella" for liking Boa, and also was homophobic and assumed boas sexuality just bc of a song title
that was already proven to be not true?
arent your favs problematic...... blackpink has done cultural appropriation multiple times and jennie literally said the n word too
Lmao I agree Kpopies are hypocritics so no one can ever take em seriously 💀nd the fact that instead of ppl they literally disrespected Hindu god like -
right but she wont talk abt it lol
Ok but Namjoon was literally addressing the stuff he did that could've hurt others which he didn't intend to do so and you're ignoring it like? What does 'holding accountability' mean in your dictionary? The words "I'm sorry" aren't necessary in an apology. Believe it or not, BTS has apologized for the mistakes they did in the past and they have been very considerate about everything after then. Change is what matters. They did change, they did realise what was wrong and they have genuine hearts. They are not bad people. And here's Namjoon's entire words that he spoke during that vlive that you chose to ignore:
"RM's hello 2017" Namjoon addressed how his mindset in the past has been problematic:
"I had a lot of thoughts. I did, in the beginning. When others talked about me in a criticizing way, rather, when others gave unforgivable feedback, it could be advices. Or criticism. It could be condemnation. When I heard so, I felt like this in the beginning... 'Why? Why?'. Because I thought, I have been like this. I thought I've never caused any trouble or inconvenience to others. I've never thought that way. Because I studied hard when I was young, I worked hard on music, I performed hard. I liked playing games. That's what consisted of my life. At school I was an obedient student. I did well at school so teachers liked me. I never fought with classmates and I was around with friends.
I've never thought that my behaviors or music or words could hurt others, or cause inconvenience to others. I've never thought that way. As I went through the year 2016 I came to think about that. My words or behaviors, regardless of my intentions, could cause troubles or hurt others feelings. In the process, I thought I need to hold responsibility for that and I need to think about such things. What I said or did would not be undone. I thought so. Then I learned how to admit myself. It was hard to admit that I could hurt others' feelings. It took a long time. I didn't like to admit that I was wrong. Rather than I was wrong, it was hard to admit that I could hurt others' feelings. It was hard to admit because I've never felt that way.
In the beginning, when I was faced with such criticism, I thought like, 'Why? I did it for a reason'. Now, as I said, I feel much better about my feelings and emotions. Now, when I hear something about me, even if its a criticism or condemnation, I am able to think about what made them say so. 'What did I do wrong? What I did caused others to feel uncomfortable? What made them criticize me?' I am now able to think like that. For now, I can't talk about what was changed in detail. Still, I may have another chance to talk about later. Anyways, to become a better person, I need to hold responsibility for what I do. I need to change my mindset. I need to change my way of thinking if its wrong. I learned I need to hear from many people. I mean, I came to think like that. Now when I do something, I think, 'how would people feel about my act?' and then I take action.
That's why I was able to release 'Always'. The lyrics are very defensive. I wrote that a year ago when I felt stressed. A year ago, or so. I wrote the lyrics back then. I am now able to release it because I no longer feel that way. Now I feel relaxed.
Anyways, now or in the future, I want to be an artist that has good influence. I hope my music would help others. So, I decided to go in a better way. My goal for 2017 is to be mature in many ways, including my way of thinking. I want to become a person who thinks more righteously, and make greater music. Those are my goals."
Please view this link too if you have any more problems with BTS' past mistakes: twtext.com/article/1162465183253585920
Wow u rlly went off as u should sis 🙌🏾
@@nanciee2844 Yeah, at first I decided to ignore it and just click off this video but I left this comment because I thought if any new ARMYs or kpop stans who don't know much about BTS happened to read my comment, hopefully they would not adopt any misunderstandings against Namjoon and start disliking him without doing much research and just take in what the op said. That's why I pasted all of his words here. As a true ARMY, of course I had to defend him, he's such a precious human. I swear he wouldn't hurt anyone intentionally :( He doesn't deserve any more hate for the things that he did in the past. He was a young boy. Just like I wasn't much educated on this stuff before I became an ARMY, he wasn't, too, because he didn't had that much experience in the music world. He did take a lot of inspiration from black artists music-wise but he didn't have the knowledge on their culture and history and so did their company. He educated himself and learned about what was wrong, he talked about it and he tried to become a better person. If you're close to him and know about him, you would know that he's a genuine and a kind person. He loves art, nature, plants and animals, loves to read books, going to museums, riding bicycles, he gets so excited for little crabs. How could he cause anyone any harm and have evil intentions of hurting others? He's a beautiful person with a beautiful heart. I hope people start seeing the true side of him.🥺💜
hope she read this
@@lollipopjimin5066 yep I hope she sees this, ur a very mature army I praise u for that 💖💜
@@sofia-gg3ni even if she does she wouldn’t care
Hell nah, that clip of Jay Park was D-I-S-G-U-S-T-I-N-G!! Sexual assault is NOT a joke!
Jessi is out there making idols uncomfortable, but if someone else did it would be canceled. Like doni and coni did.
Right if a dude playfully touch his crouch he would be cancelled asap
OMG YESSS. Like people have such double standards. Its crazy how shes so sexual to others but let doni and connie doing and its crazy.
I've been giving Jessi the stink eye too, and I feel like not enough people talk about why she's sus. So glad to see a video addressing that!
Finally a place where I can rant: The first time I saw her in Dawn's Dawndididawn mv, I felt like, in a sense and without the intention of sounding dramatic, that she was mocking. She takes what is black, dramatizes it and doesn't even use it correctly, she tries and fails to appropriate AAVE, using severe grammatical error. She makes me feel like she sees us as hypersexual, nasty and rough people, who use nonsense language like AAVE isn't a grammatical dialect, AND she capitalizes on that image.
She hasn't even been in Korea for the entirety of her life! She went to Korea from US when she was 15, so I would've hoped that she'd be at least a bit aware of what it means to appropriate the culture of the people who lived in the same country as her for the first 15 years of her life.
It's willful and seeing her appear as a featured artist is always a turn-off.
do you even know what appropriation means?
@@axolah Yeah!
Out of curiosity and for the sake of discussing things with people who think differently than me, what does appropriation mean to you?
Sometimes I feel like she's just sexually harrassing people, on some reality shows.
most ppl are saying shes doing blackface by tanning, but like, have yall seen american white girls? they come out of tanning shops looking dark af for a white person
@@오수빈-c3n True! Honestly, for me, I don't see heavier tanning as blackface, unless they do it with the intention of being 'hip', or change their facial features to be more racially ambiguous..
And if it gets so dark that you can't imagine them being the skin tone they naturally are at all. (Although it's not my job to police how people tan. It does raise my eyebrow after a point.)
Jessi is someone who does extreme tanning + cultural appropriation, which is what solidifies my opinion of her. 🤔
11:38 it would be more accurate to say that "Non Koreans" rather than "Non Asians". Korean culture is very different from other Asian cultures - as said by every single foreign idol. Indians can be Koreaboos, Japanese people can be Koreaboos, Chinese people can be Koreaboos, etc. I find it so laughable how people only think non-Asians can be Koreaboos which is so false. If I went to claim Nigerian culture as my own without properly assimilating, that'd be cultural appropriation. It doesn't matter than I'm black or even that my parents were born in Cameroon
right
@@meemaw2200 the double standards are so weird
I disagree with this video. I’m holding ALL the Kpop industry accountable because there isn’t a fucking group that hasn’t done something wrong. The only thing I’ll say is, as a black person, I found Namjoon’s apology different than other apologies because he took responsibility for the things he’s done. I also thank him for not repeating his actions. All the BTS members haven’t done something problematic or racist in a while and I think that’s great.
You are an army.
Mamamoo also took responsibility for what they've done when they apologized for the blackface (which was their only problematic action as a group)
you're saying this just cuz you're an army lmfao there are like multiple idols who apologized and didnt do it again lmfaooo
Army alert
@@sidiquerodney4982 I personally don’t Stan mamamoo but I do think that’s pretty good!
I see you’re a blink and I hope you’re keeping them accountable
This is no hate
she is
YES GIRL LOUDER!!!
Just because she didn't include bp doesn't mean that she doesn't hold them accountable, just saying
this is more like a hate video
now let's hold your faves accountable for cultural appropriation
They do
Ummm, this video was not on bad things idols have done, it was on idols she can't stand and why. She doesn't dislike blackpink and that's why they're not on this list. That's not to say that she believes them to be blameless.
There's literally a bangtanbomb of the whole group saying the n word
@@triplej8666 link?
thank you. get these comments everyday 😭
The fact that cultural appropriation isn't only all about black people, braids, the n word, and stuffs. It also included other culture and religion too. Example how in blackpinks HYLT they used the indian ornaments as aesthetics. But that's fine until u see the Lord ganesha literally ON THE FLOOR where Lisa was rapping. It's so disrespectful to use an god as an aesthetic, that also on the fucking floor, it's super disrespectful towards the hindu indians. It's not the first time anyways. But people only call out for cultural appropriation when it comes to black things. It's also about other culture too, and how they disrespect this. We usually skip that Indian, Egyptian appropriations. Which is very sad, and if we ignore it, it would happen even more.
Egzactly , I don't see things wrong using Indian ornaments but the way they put lord's statue down the floor is not okay :(
"Black things"excuse me?
@@gowonthestallion851 yes? What?
And yet you stan Blackpink who have done sooo many problematic things in their life and even mocked the Indian culture (as an indian I was ashamed), and never apologized. Before coming at everyone else, hold your favs accountable as well.
Uk what At this point i believe that all kpop industry is problematic 👁👄👁
@@imgonnaputsomedirtinyoureye Same here this is why I believe that no fandom should bash other groups for being problematic when it's 95% sure their fav have also done something problematic.
she holds her faves accountable....in one of her previous videos she mentioned Lisa's CA
@@captainlevi7188 yup but ig lisa didn't apologise right?And in this video she cancelled many of the idols for the same reason ig all the kpop stans are biased at some point
and along with lisa some of the bp members also cultural appropriated indian culture
@@captainlevi7188 she can’t stand the idols in this video but she can stand blackpink after all they’ve done without apologizing? i smell hypocrisy
I think our biggest problem with the n-word is that a LOT of these rappers say it because they hear their favorite artists from the west say it. They aren’t going to go and look up the meaning, they will think it’s just a word that’s commonly used. I believe that If it’s a bad word to say for one group of people, it should be bad for everyone to say it.
I had to think about this too: all these black rappers that use the n-word in their songs do not care who say it because those people are putting money in their pockets. They’re streaming their music, buying concert tickets, voting in shows, they don’t care as long as they’re making money🤷🏾♀️
THIS!! you can't expect people to know, we sympathise with the racism you face but please understand that other asian countries do not learn about it because the focus of our education is our own culture and history that dates centuries back. Reverse the roles. If you were singing in another language, you're gonna look at the meaning maybe, but how will you know what is a slur and what's not?
However it is extremely important to call out the idol, definitely but don't go around calling them a racist, or hate on them, you should be compassionate enough to understand both sides of the story
Wow such a wise way of thinking girl ! I wish everyone would think so cuz not all world understand what that mean and not everyone will care to learn since they hear it on western music from black artists every single time . I mean it's common for them but racist from others only cuz of skin color . I think its should be problem to use that word from everyone since it is offensive word .
@chenle minaj then dont be . If u cant . Wth u tagged me ?? Be gone
@@brittany7298 totally agreed with u ! U know sometimes when ppl bringing old mistakes everytime its not like we should remember them but it's like we can't let them in past . For example if I will do something not in purpose embarrassing and will improve myself year by year but ppl will bring it back everytime when similar situations happens but not from me I will feel sux and maybe will think that all my hard work doesn't count . Who know maybe RM will find such topic videos and he might feel same bad , nobody know if they actually see such things but we don't know neither the opposite. I am agreed if artists repeat same mistakes and give 0 shit about backlash but especially Rm improve himself and so far being realy great person. I've seen that old clip when Rm were rapping and mentioned N word it was 2014 they were young and didn't knew much things . We all have done mistakes there is nobody perfect then why should we bring back and trash about artists old mistakes when they haven't made since then . Sorry for long comment !
Finally, say louder for the people in the back. 👏🗣
the fact that the creator dragged other idols for their racist and problematic past but didn’t say shit about blackpink when they’re the queens of cultural appropriation and not apologizing for offensive things they do.
namjoon reflected on himself and even spoke on his past at the UN and apologize, that’s more than yalls favs can say for themselves. but blinks brush off every terrible thing blackpink has done and it’s weird.
i mean i'm not surprised, the editor's a blink, and these people love to be "anti-racism" and "anti-problematic behavior" until it's about their faves. "Well bLaCkPiNk diDn'T kNoW, iT's yG's fAuLt", but for every other idol it's their fault and it's valid to hate on them like? They're just big hypocrites lmao
9:06 also the way armys just treat his blank ass motivational quotes like they can save the world? like girl i can't go into any comment section that talks about bullying without someone quoting some empty statement of him plEAAAASEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
A blink making this video... the call is coming from inside the house
and everyone commenting "i hold my favs accountable" what have you actually done to hold them accountable? stopped streaming their music? boycotting albums? called them out during fansigns? there's no accountability involved anywhere everyone is all talk.
She has called them out for it before. And why are you making assumptions? She was literally the one offended so what are you trying to imply?
So because she's a blink she can't say anything about anyone else. That's really biased of you
Honestly, like she wanna come for Namjoon and Mamamoo even tho they literally apologized and changed their ways like Blackpink hasnt offended black and Indian ppl without apology. The hypocrisy. How u gon hate someone for one thing yet still stan someone else who keeps doing the exact same thing. Make it make sense bruh
As a minority, grew up going to all white schools and being subject to some pretty bad racism here in Australia, I gotta say I'm sick and tired of people crying about "appropriating" culture. As long as they haven't blatantly disrespected the culture i don't see anything wrong with it.
A kpop group did a haka, a Maori war dance and when my white friend showed me it they expected me to be offended. They didn't once disrespect the culture, they even put effort into doing the haka.
Culture should shared so much more but because of all this cancelling and what not people are scared to jump into a different one. People being hurt by stereotypes is a joke to me.
THIS! I dont see why trying out something from another culture is disrespectful if im not disrespecting it. Sometimes i want to try out different cultural dresses because i find them beautiful. Now if i take a photo of me wearing a dress from another culture, will that mean im appropriating? I see no logic there.
That's exactly how I feel about the topic. I wasn't sure how to put it into words without being offensive. So thanks for that
soobin paying zico bills. BLOCK B IS VIRAL BCS OF SOOBIN.
My man soobin disappointed me😪but he is still such a king
I didn’t even know who that man was before soobin and I’m gonna keep it that way
SPILL
Actually in the past, Block B was considered one of the best second generation groups but okkk
@@user-bf6ke6zb2e no
u legit stan blackpink bruh
STOP USING BLACKPINK AS A WAY TO COVER FOR YOUR FAVE. WE HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE AS WELL BUT WE ARE CURRENTLY TALKING ABOUT YOUR FAVE.
@Cringe yeah it's true blinks do less than the bare minimum to hold blackpink accountable. But you can't just drag a person who does.
@@hrts4swannies954 but the problem here is she aint even include them in the vid
@@shuahri because it’s idols that she can’t stand. Why would she stan someone she can’t stand?
@@hrts4swannies954 saying that BP should be held accountable doesn’t take away from others… it’s common sense to say they should be included also …
I became a bts fan around late 2018 and I used to defend Namjoon saying "at least he apologized" bc armies kept on showing the clip and I was thinking to myself if a lot of ppl said he apologized, then he did right? I didnt realize how manipulative kpop fans were at the time (I was a baby kpop fan). So in late 2020, I rewatched the clip and I noticed the man never said he was sorry. *it's literally a new years eve resolution* as well he said "my actions" hurted ppl but what r those actions namjoon? It could be about anything.
I still love bts but man armies need to stop saying they apologized when they didn't. we need to do better as a fandom.as for namjoon, he needs to apologize. IDC if its been years ago or he donated to BLM, if u went around doing extremely problematic stuff like saying the n-word and saying your 'talent is speaking like african american brothers' u have to denounce it.
Ik armies love saying that bts is unproblematic bc they donated for blm but I find their donation rlly fishy: th-cam.com/video/dhgVHiuYMpg/w-d-xo.html
@@brendacristinamartinezhual2012 in that thread namjoon just said he was wrong for saying he was from the west side and that he was ignorant regarding sexism. In those apologies u showed he never address him saying the n word or that his talent is talking like an African American.
That thread literally repeats his 2017 vlive and state “hey this is namjoon apologizing so many times” when it’s one occurrence.
Here’s a much better video that’s unbiased and includes all of bts growth & apologies. All apologies r in the pinned comment m.th-cam.com/video/L9Z1y1z4FYE/w-d-xo.html
@@seokiology bruh- girl she trying so hard to make bts seem innocent in every comment section.😭
@@Taylorc0de SHE RESPONDED TO MY OTHER COMMENT. What’s so funny to me is that herioneblink addressed how vague namjoon 2017 vlive thing is yet she’s using a thread that has that vlive 😭 like armies need to realize they won’t loose sleep at night for admitting that bts barely apologized 😭
@@seokiology I will never understand how these stan loose their sleep and Argue and get into fights with people, sending death threats, faking rumours, stalking etc. Doing these shitty things for the people who don't even know you and probably doesn't even gave a damn about you. Kpop idol worship has become so toxic and bizarre. That's why locals always think we all are weirdos and jobless people.
@@Taylorc0de esp the making up lies part. I remember when the Jim jones scandal happened. Personally I just sat back and watched the event unfold but there were armies that were doxxing and reporting accounts and even made up lies he was anti Korean (which my friends and I bought which shows how bad gaslighting is in kpop). Honestly I was so shocked that ppl took time of their day to defend yoongi like that when he doesn’t even know u? There’s a possibility he may not even like u so why r u defending him?
The way ppl view kpop idols is so unhealthy-this parasocial relationship needs to stop 🛑ure right no wonder locals think kpop fans r weird!
sooo are we not including lisa?? her group has done some problematic sht every comeback too
johnny is from chicago thats a whole educator right there.
e: and ik it shouldnt matter, but coming from an ex johnny stan, im j being honest
White chicago…. That makes a world of difference even if you dont think it does
@@cremepuffle he's american. he knows. theres no excuse. "white chicago" is still chicago and theres no way you can grow up there and not know.
13:40 ???!$,%😭 ive never seen that jessi video im actually about to scream
SIS IS DARKER THAN ME AND IM BLACK 💀🤧
@@yerination8531 SWEAR!!😭😭😭
thats edited😭😭
I never really looked into Jessi's problematic stuff she’s done. But looking at it, I want to unstan. It’s just hard to because I kinda like her. I kinda think it’s better to separate her BS from her music. I don’t support her as a person but her music is not that bad to me
I agree. I know some of the stuff she did, it’s not right. I just like her personality😫
@@amanidavis3506 I know right. Her personality is just Soo- idk but I like it
Same girl
yeah i was stream nunu nana illegally
Yeah.. I support her music and the nice parts of her personality but will not hesitate to drag her down. I stanned her before finding out everything she did and honestly it hurt but oh well :/
Kinda hypocrite of how you didn't add your own faves to this video, when there's a list of shits they have did
blinks 🙃...
how are u not gonna put blackpink up here ?? biggest girl group atm, can’t miss them. srsly if u wanna hold people accountable, do the same for urs favs😐
Ikr? It clearly says a lot about her own personality and intentions. Especially when a lot of people have already asked the same question but she never responds them. Instead she's liking the comments that are shading on other big and successful groups like NCT and BTS. Says a lot about this creator. She's completely okay with black pink's multiple CA incidents but she finds others problematic. 🙄
Why not put the whole industry then? Lmao
The point is of the video is "idols SHE can't stand" not you💀
BP, her one of her ULTS are not gonna be in a video she makes called “kpop idols I literally can’t stand” like are y’all dumb?
its her fav group you cant expect her to call out her favorite group and plus its her opinion
I was suffering from career anxiety and depression for months now. i have improved recently with a fairly good idea of what i want to do. and just in time to look at this video from a youtuber who never fails to mame me laugh. life is good.
Maybe it is just an unpopular opinion.
I get that everyone has their own opinions so any fans of any groups in the video shouldn’t be offended. (I myself am a fan of Mamamoo)
However isn’t it going too far to request for disbandment etc or even getting sued? As much as it is definitely problematic in regards to racism (As someone who lives in an Asian multi racial country I seen this on a regular basis), I don’t think it is fair to wish harm on anyone.
I already mention this in my other comment. And it seems like no one notice the toxicity this channel have. like saying someone's jobless, disband etc. I feel like that crossed the line.
@@eh146 Yeah i completely agree the fact these idols have done stuffs in past, but that doens't give any right to them to bash and diss these idols so badly... Like why tf are they hating on them? They're humans too 😀
@@k-popbutterfly9417 True, I honestly feel so bad, especially when people dig someone's past from like 10 years ago to use it against celebrities. Like it's the past dude, why u so obsessed with other's life. If they did wrong 10 years ago then, it's not your place to dig it up again, people could change. Also, it's so over the line, if you don't like an idol then fine, but they literally find anything to hate on. Making TikTok? cringe, mistakes from 10 years ago? cancel. This channel owner is so hateful, it disgusts me. I would definitely dig up this channel owner past, if they ever get famous, so people could bash them and make "idols I couldn't stand" and say some stupid shit. The channel owner is literally so obsessed with these idols, probably jealous that those idols have a better life than her. They are jealous, bc some idols make TikTok.
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Those were jokes, she isn't literally going to sue them or disband them
Talking about rasicm while stanning a racist group is hypocrite in every single way
for misinformed people:
1. Solar did a cf about milk-based moisturizing face cream nit skin lightening cream and the person she was imitating was Cleopatra *A WHITE GREEK WOMAN*
2. Hwasa was given the song with the explicit version to sing and those lyrics are still up on melon and my girl doesn't even know how to spell her name in English. Also when she sang it again since she educated herself she didn't say the n-word.
3. Her stage manager plus backup dancer group Bessie does and pushes CA on the girls too despite fans messaging them to not do it. They admitted to it that they designed the costumes and sets for that stage where hwasa was wearing a durag.
4. The so-called "Nigerian outfit to scare ppl" was debunked by both Nigerians on all socmed platforms and by mbc. The offensive translations were provided by an anti and yall dumbasses believed them. The real translation showed it was a flashy version of the sauna look she has when coming to broadcasting stations. The video with exact translations is available with a click of your fingers.
Oh and I'm sorry you all only like misogynistic rap lyrics that were written by men and sung by your female faves in the name of "girl power and feminism" while putting down other women. You do you I guess -_-
Only ppl here with a brain is literally you my bruh
It's such a relief seeing people like you who has really done a good researching
And she clearly didnt listen to mamamoo's songs at all,, or she has a music taste i would never imagine to call their songs trash.. like srsly?
And why would u wish disbandment on such a group.
@@Warriormoomoo yeah like I understand if someone doesn't like their music but saying they put out bad music like bruh out of the 100 groups i know mamamoo has one of the best discography , they make music of every genre
@@watchtherandomzz bruh seriously, I have heart 200+ songs from them and all of them can be trending songs as quality.
tbh,, armys got the namjoon apologising part wrong. he’s actually owning up to his mistakes,, and he explains it,, knowing that he’s wrong. he might not have apologised,, but at least he knows he’s in the wrong,, and that’s alrdy quite alright imo
You can make a point without dragging someone's skills, we all know that no matter racist or homophobic kpop artist have some skills. Idc block me or whatever is you want to do.
Idc whether I drag the idol. They were racist and will face the consequences.
People should be able to talk about an artists skills. I mean, opinions are a thing. What's wrong with that?
honestly tho they dont care if you hate em
This was a personal opinion babes... the idols in the video definitely did some scandals and they need to be held accountable for them. You’re being as bad as them rn bcs ur defending them
@@seulgislove no but this girl is stupid wearing braids is racist????
Just noticed how almost all of these were solo artists kpop stans like to call: original, theyre just themselves, they dont act or have a role like other idols