I doubt they will, but they have some potential. However, I’m pretty worried about Doomsday and Secret Wars, considering they had little to no proper buildup so far, given how aimless phases 4-5 feel. And Doom, I’m willing to give Downey’s performance a chance, but the decision to cast him as Doom feels problematic on paper. It’s definitely guaranteed to get butts on seats, even if the movies don’t turn out that great. It’s like Marvel knew they were in trouble, they knew they have no time to build up Doom or develop his character, so they used a stunt casting choice. And another worry I have is Spider-Man being abruptly being thrusted to multiverse shenanigans after his street level story arc by the end of NWH; having him show up for multiverse shenanigans after NWH wouldn’t make sense. But hey, it is what it is, so all we can do is hope for the best ig.
@@noobmaster69426 agreed, think there’s not enough time to do proper buildup for doomsday and secret wars. RDJ will get butts in seats for hardcore fans and I’m sure it will do fine, but I can’t see general audiences being as interested compared to Infinity War and Endgame. Will be interesting to see what happens, though!
I don't know, seeing RDJ coming back as Doom made me want to watch the newer stuff LESS. Something about him being such a cool character as Doom, but with the face of Iron Man just sits wrong to me. If they brought him back I'd rather him have just been an 'alternate Tony' instead of Doom.
Good point, I didn’t consider this would actually turn off some fans. Will feel kinda weird having him be Doom after seeing him as Iron Man for so long
It's not too hard of a question to answer. Disney got greedy. Instead of developing stories, they treated the movies and shows like products to roll off an assembly line to meet their quarterly goals. They kept pumping out so much and distributing stories across different media that the public inevitably started to lose interest. If you have to watch a sub-par TV show and three movies this year to understand why everything is different in the next Avengers, sooner or later you'll stop considering it worth the effort. It didn't help that they let so many different creatives helm various projects that the quality varied wildly. Something that compounded until the movies as a whole started falling apart. The whole project got too big and was managed too poorly because Disney thought they had an infinite money generator. Same as they did with Star Wars, though it was at least managed better than the train wreck that is Disney Lucasfilm.
I personally feel like in terms of overall quality and entertainment, the MCU scratched the surface and peaked with Avengers: Endgame, considering it was the perfect culmination and payoff of 11 years and 22 movies of interconnected storytelling, buildup, and world building. This is what happens when you have a clear focus and a clear story. It pays off perfectly in the finale. Marvel nowadays, just lacks it now, considering that most of phases 4-5 feel so aimless and poorly planned, given the terrible decisions made with Disney+. The saga started off pretty decent, but fell off hard as it is progressing, and over half of the future projects, I’m pretty worried and skeptical about. Brave new world for example, I’m hearing nothing but bad news about it, given the reshoot situation. The trailers look well-edited, but according to test screening results and reports, it’s failing even after reshoots, which feels like a major red flag. Aside from all that, great analysis!
Marvel didn't die. People just cant get over the fact that the old characters are gone. It was supposed to change. Robert was Iron man for over a decade.
I was never a fan of the Avengers but, parking the Phoenix saga, the X-Men alone could easily carry it forward. They could have a main X-Men movie and then a 'solo' movie focusing on one X-Man but featuring others in support, like Captain America: Winter Soldier. Just taking the Fall of the Mutants alone, you have one movie to re-establish the X-Men and Morlocks, a Gambit intro movie, then the Marauders Massacre, then a side movie on Muir Island dealing with the injuries (in the comics this was Angel, Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, and Colossus), maybe introduce Betsy and Banshee here, possibly throwing in Doom, the FF, and/or Proteus. Then a side movie as the remaing X-Men replace injured team members. Then Angel dies and we move onto the Four Horsemen story, including Cable, and then as a finale do the Age of Apocalypse as a 2 movie capstone.
Sounds promising. That’s a lot of source material for Marvel to work with (and they already had a ton to begin with), so they definitely won’t run out of ideas for content, that’s for sure
It still has its magic. They just didn't use it right. BUT.... They are now using the right magic for fantastic four, avengers doomsday, spiderman 4, avengers secret wars.
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were brilliant and as soon as they (Disney) decided to depart from the storyline having no anchor like Stan they started to crater. As to the whole Infinity Gauntlet saga it started departing from the storyline. The was no Adam Worlock, Silver Surfer, Mephisto, Death and Deadpool. DP, Death and Thanos love triangle was pivotal in the foundation for the reason why Thanos wanted the Gauntlet. Much like the latest "Snow White" when you try rewriting the story, even calling it by the same name is going to raise some eyebrows if not get you tared & feathered and run out on a rail. Try that with Shakespeare; unless you follow the plot line and modernize it, expect the same result. Epic failure and/or steady decline into obscurity.
Shouldn't take your opinions of others decide whether or not a movie is good!! Dark Phoenix supposed to be bad However, it's 1 of the best X-men Flicks considering the limited time Fox head making film. The Phoenix Saga is 3 📽 story in itself. NOT EVEN THE GREAT MCU can make a 📽 with a 1 film.picture deal
The Batman and The Penguin made me realize that the MCU has always been stale and generic. Even the animated shows are better than the MCU. How the MCU was the biggest franchise in Hollywood is beyond me.
I tend to like the (good) DC content more, like The Penguin and all the Batman movies. But in the beginning, I think Marvel did better because the movies are funnier, less serious, and family friendly. Plus, them building upon each other was cool and paid off in Endgame. Will be interesting to see how Superman does in 2025.
Will Marvel ever reach the highs of Endgame again?
Yeeeeees, doomsday and secret wars have really high chance
I doubt they will, but they have some potential. However, I’m pretty worried about Doomsday and Secret Wars, considering they had little to no proper buildup so far, given how aimless phases 4-5 feel. And Doom, I’m willing to give Downey’s performance a chance, but the decision to cast him as Doom feels problematic on paper. It’s definitely guaranteed to get butts on seats, even if the movies don’t turn out that great. It’s like Marvel knew they were in trouble, they knew they have no time to build up Doom or develop his character, so they used a stunt casting choice. And another worry I have is Spider-Man being abruptly being thrusted to multiverse shenanigans after his street level story arc by the end of NWH; having him show up for multiverse shenanigans after NWH wouldn’t make sense. But hey, it is what it is, so all we can do is hope for the best ig.
@@noobmaster69426 fommsday will be set up the most in 2025....
And you can have past projects and cliff hangers to build it up
But we'll see. Either way doomsday is a money maker and i belive thaz the russos can pull this off
@@noobmaster69426 agreed, think there’s not enough time to do proper buildup for doomsday and secret wars. RDJ will get butts in seats for hardcore fans and I’m sure it will do fine, but I can’t see general audiences being as interested compared to Infinity War and Endgame. Will be interesting to see what happens, though!
Endgame really was one of the best movie theater experiences!
I don't know, seeing RDJ coming back as Doom made me want to watch the newer stuff LESS. Something about him being such a cool character as Doom, but with the face of Iron Man just sits wrong to me. If they brought him back I'd rather him have just been an 'alternate Tony' instead of Doom.
Good point, I didn’t consider this would actually turn off some fans. Will feel kinda weird having him be Doom after seeing him as Iron Man for so long
@@TV_Guyd It is two-sided, some people will obviously LOVE the idea of him playing Doom. Just one of those, 'You can't please everyone' things.
Bad writing = bad results! They need to work hard to earn that TV Guyd approved rating
lol, yes! It’s a high bar
Marvel is also fixing their problems now... so i think they are going to be great again
Agreed + I hope so!
Very informative! Good job, TV Guyd!
Thanks!
It's not too hard of a question to answer. Disney got greedy.
Instead of developing stories, they treated the movies and shows like products to roll off an assembly line to meet their quarterly goals. They kept pumping out so much and distributing stories across different media that the public inevitably started to lose interest. If you have to watch a sub-par TV show and three movies this year to understand why everything is different in the next Avengers, sooner or later you'll stop considering it worth the effort.
It didn't help that they let so many different creatives helm various projects that the quality varied wildly. Something that compounded until the movies as a whole started falling apart.
The whole project got too big and was managed too poorly because Disney thought they had an infinite money generator. Same as they did with Star Wars, though it was at least managed better than the train wreck that is Disney Lucasfilm.
Agreed, well said!
I personally feel like in terms of overall quality and entertainment, the MCU scratched the surface and peaked with Avengers: Endgame, considering it was the perfect culmination and payoff of 11 years and 22 movies of interconnected storytelling, buildup, and world building. This is what happens when you have a clear focus and a clear story. It pays off perfectly in the finale. Marvel nowadays, just lacks it now, considering that most of phases 4-5 feel so aimless and poorly planned, given the terrible decisions made with Disney+. The saga started off pretty decent, but fell off hard as it is progressing, and over half of the future projects, I’m pretty worried and skeptical about. Brave new world for example, I’m hearing nothing but bad news about it, given the reshoot situation. The trailers look well-edited, but according to test screening results and reports, it’s failing even after reshoots, which feels like a major red flag.
Aside from all that, great analysis!
Thanks for watching! Well said. Aimless and poorly planned is a good way to describe things I think. I’m skeptical as well, but we shall see!
Marvel didn't die. People just cant get over the fact that the old characters are gone. It was supposed to change. Robert was Iron man for over a decade.
Exactly
Very cool to see the data behind it. Thanks @TV_Guyd!
a lot of BAD decisions!!!!
Always interesting TV Guyd
Thanks for watching!
I would say they did not have any magic at all they are just generic movies that have the same plot.
Awesome breakdown! I loved the first 4 phases! Watching those movies in theaters was such an awesome experience. I’m ready for the comeback!!!
P.S. I appreciated the small Shawshank redemption clip 👏👏
lol, thanks! Same here
Well explained tnx🤌🏻
Thanks for watching!
I was never a fan of the Avengers but, parking the Phoenix saga, the X-Men alone could easily carry it forward. They could have a main X-Men movie and then a 'solo' movie focusing on one X-Man but featuring others in support, like Captain America: Winter Soldier. Just taking the Fall of the Mutants alone, you have one movie to re-establish the X-Men and Morlocks, a Gambit intro movie, then the Marauders Massacre, then a side movie on Muir Island dealing with the injuries (in the comics this was Angel, Shadowcat, Nightcrawler, and Colossus), maybe introduce Betsy and Banshee here, possibly throwing in Doom, the FF, and/or Proteus. Then a side movie as the remaing X-Men replace injured team members. Then Angel dies and we move onto the Four Horsemen story, including Cable, and then as a finale do the Age of Apocalypse as a 2 movie capstone.
Sounds promising. That’s a lot of source material for Marvel to work with (and they already had a ton to begin with), so they definitely won’t run out of ideas for content, that’s for sure
If you are gonna make a video saying how marvel lost its magic
Please do not use AI for the thumbnail
It still has its magic. They just didn't use it right.
BUT....
They are now using the right magic for fantastic four, avengers doomsday, spiderman 4, avengers secret wars.
Looking forward to those movies - I think they will be good
Stan Lee and Jack Kirby were brilliant and as soon as they (Disney) decided to depart from the storyline having no anchor like Stan they started to crater.
As to the whole Infinity Gauntlet saga it started departing from the storyline. The was no Adam Worlock, Silver Surfer, Mephisto, Death and Deadpool. DP, Death and Thanos love triangle was pivotal in the foundation for the reason why Thanos wanted the Gauntlet.
Much like the latest "Snow White" when you try rewriting the story, even calling it by the same name is going to raise some eyebrows if not get you tared & feathered and run out on a rail. Try that with Shakespeare; unless you follow the plot line and modernize it, expect the same result. Epic failure and/or steady decline into obscurity.
Imo Thanos was better as someone who wanted to save the universe from overpopulation rather than some simp.
Very interesting !!
interesting analys
Thanks!!
Even the ultimate Spiderman show is better than the modern MCU
Im just gonna watch the movies and the animated tv shows not watching 70 episodes of 6 differnet shows a year ill stick with youtube recaps.
Good plan!
Shouldn't take your opinions of others decide whether or not a movie is good!! Dark Phoenix supposed to be bad However, it's 1 of the best X-men Flicks considering the limited time Fox head making film. The Phoenix Saga is 3 📽 story in itself. NOT EVEN THE GREAT MCU can make a 📽 with a 1 film.picture deal
Really doomsday and secret wars have high chance to owerthrow ebdgame and infinity war.
Who's watching!!!!????🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
It will be interesting to see!
Excited for the new captain america, just saw the trailer and it looks fun
Agreed, looks good!
The Batman and The Penguin made me realize that the MCU has always been stale and generic. Even the animated shows are better than the MCU. How the MCU was the biggest franchise in Hollywood is beyond me.
I tend to like the (good) DC content more, like The Penguin and all the Batman movies. But in the beginning, I think Marvel did better because the movies are funnier, less serious, and family friendly. Plus, them building upon each other was cool and paid off in Endgame. Will be interesting to see how Superman does in 2025.
@@TV_Guyd The problem with the MCU is that it overstayed its welcome after Endgame.