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I know exactly what Ouspensky means when he tells of that man that was walking towards him asleep deeply immersed in his own dreams he was watching in front of his face. i have had this experience once.
I have as well many times. LIke waiting in line at the post office and hearing the thoughts and worries of the person next to me and wondering if they will be okay with what they were being sent. The keys to reading thoughts are very subtle. You must know that you can and then allow yourself to be receptive. Don't expect words though you may perceive them instead receive "Knowing" that you then can translate to words yourself.
It's interesting that he qualified the part about hypnosis, saying 'by no known methods'. I'm not implying that GG used tricks - only that he was supposedly learned from old masters in his youth. Fascinating to hear. Great video. Thank you.
'Madness is next to genius!' Whilst Gurdjieff was capable at times of putting together some very beautiful and entrancing dance movements, at others he seems to have demonstrated signs of insanity.
The value of relics as a transmitter of one individual’s essence to another is well known across Central Asia as well as the Himalayan plateau. Tibetan Buddhist and Bon traditions include esoteric understandings about the value of a kudung (corpse). There are accounts of Jamyang Khyentse Chokyi Lodro taking bits of a corpse and distributing it among a few Practioners for consumption. Hair, fingernails, bone fragments, especially skulls, were viewed as conveyors of enlightened essence if consumed orally or burned and inhaled as smoke, or wearing the relic on one’s person in a reliquary- all these are common expressions in Tibet, Sikkim, Bhutan, Nepal, Mustang and adjacent lands among the devotees. Gurdjieff here is again bringing eastern traditional views into concordance with mystic Christian understanding. And doing so with success, by this evidence.
These video reminds me of similar accounts of early British explorers traveling through india and being treated to the "Climbing a rope" trick. On a slow boat journey through India a skinny man in a loin cloth with a rope swims to the boat and gathers people in a tight close circle around him. He then tosses they rope in the air where it magically stays and then climbs up the rope out of sight. He then climbs back down to everyone's amazement and he passes a cup around for generous tips from delighted travelers, jumps in the water and swims to shore. A passenger not participating in the amazing event was asked what he thought of what had happened. He said "What happened? You all just sat there looking up at nothing". Nothing had happened. The Indian showman used his consciousness to create a thought field around him and implanted in their minds that he climbed a rope up into the sky. It was all mental. The core ability to do things like this involve collecting and storing energy. Many people today think Yoga is trendy and is much like going to the gym. It is healthy but its primary purpose is collecting and storing chi/life energy like a battery so you can then use the energy for an intended purpose. We all know we need to breath to live and we breath in oxygen but in addition we breath in life energy which not just equally important but more important. Oxygen keeps your physical cells and body alive while chi energy keeps your spiritual/soul body alive. This one energy manipulates and manifests everything. What you use your energy for, if you have any extra, is up to you. Most people don't even know about the energy and when they do manage to gather it they use it for sex. There is nothing wrong with sex, in fact if you are trying to manifest human life spending your Chi on sex is exactly what you should be doing. For many people the hardest thing in the world for them to do is even believe there is such an energy and that it is real. But this very same energy is what allows Karate experts to chop through a stack of bricks/blocks. Their hand may break through the first brick but it is the directed chi energy that cuts through all of the others with laser focused intent. Other Chi masters can light wood shaving on fire with their focused energy. Others can heal tumors or manifest events. The key to gathering Chi energy for reading minds, implanting thoughts like in this video is proper breathing. People instinctually know that mouth breathers are typically the dumbest people around. Cartoon characters, actors, or criminals with that open mouth "DUH" look. They really are dumber. To collect the maximum amount of chi energy you need to have proper posture, breath through your nose and breath deep into the bottom of your lungs. Imagine your spine as being like a polar magnet with a positive and negative end and imagine a magnetic field around your body like that of the earth because that field "IS" your life force field. When it is gone is when you are truly dead. Proper posture allows the field to flow freely without interruption and adding to the energy of your field through proper breathing makes it stronger and extend further from your body. This is very wordy I know and a lot to take in but don't try to think about it too much. Just allow it to settle into your mind so you can build on it and learn to use your energy for useful purposes from this day forward.
Rope story from "Mental Fascination" book? One of my favorite books, had a very crazy experience with that. You know qigong, about Jing, Qi, and Shen, each one being refined to the next... From my experience, this kind of "hypnotic" and "telepathic" phenomena are not just simply qi, but a further "refinement" of the same energy, where it becomes a sort of "psychic" force... it's also the same energy exerted in charisma, sexual attraction, etc
I have had very similar experiences with another person. It even involved G. I was working with a girl on these things and one evening, while being particularly "occupied" with self remembering a very strong thought entered my mind, that is, I have experienced it just the way Ouspensky explained it here. I had a very strong desire to meet G. even though he was "dead" by that time and it was as if G. in spirit told me that he is here. I looked up to the girl and she looked at me in a way nobody ever looked at me before. She nodded and I felt something that I could not and would not want to start to explain.
Could you please tell me more about "working on these things" , does it require meditation as an relaxation , word repetition as an mantra chanting ? i would like to get a better understanding of these practices/ exercises . I know very little by listening to the narrator in this clip about been together in a group facing each other and that's where the story begins. I could share my email if needed. Thanks!
Problem is, people add too much. Constantly add and by adding, take something away at the same time. No amount of relaxation practices or word repetition can bring this form of relaxation G. talks about. Maybe you would repeat a word a thousand times and become tired of it, then maybe you are closer to it. As long as there is identification, what Ouspensky saw cannot be seen. Ouspensky had this glimpse, Gurdjieff told him that now he is awake, shortly after went back to sleep due to identification.
several people have claimed to have seen Gurdjieff after his death like John Wilkinson here www.gurdjieff-internet.com/article_details.php?ID=321&W=52 Dushka Howarth wrote about it in her book on Gurdjieff too
It seems that PDO received Shaktipat from Gurdjieff; I'd only associated such things with Hindu masters prior to these accounts, but now am opening to the possibility of it occurring in different dimensions. By that, I mean healing occuring from proximity of thought to powerful spirit in life and/or the afterlife.. This probably sounds sacrilegious - just thinking aloud, as it were. Peace, all.
Yes he transferred higher energy to Ouspensky, so he stayed for hours in a higher state. Many other pupils reported similar things. Fritz Peters described how Gurdjieff transferred blue healing energy on him and healed him during WW2. But Gurdjieff did such things only to pupils who made efforts, to others he just played a stupid man to get rid of them.
@@MastersofWisdom I get the impression G purposefully offended Ouspensky prior to the telepathic events in order to generate an energy within him that was later used in a constructive way with the telepathy. Something like: step 1, generate negative internal energy in the person by offending them. Step 2, cleanse the negativity but leave the energy there with specific stretching movements. Step 3, now use that energy in a positive way.
being much more alive than the normal state of man - do a Movements seminar and you will get the taste of it - its like seeing something for the first time like a child does
Hi Jim just remember say a birthday party when you were a child hold that memory and now what was the weather doing outside? it gets confusing to read all these descriptions but it becomes clearer when you remember times when you did it. I guess in a sense thats the only times we remember the events at all but there is remembering and self-remembering The latter will have everything in there that's why I asked about the weather!
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I know exactly what Ouspensky means when he tells of that man that was walking towards him asleep deeply immersed in his own dreams he was watching in front of his face. i have had this experience once.
I have as well many times. LIke waiting in line at the post office and hearing the thoughts and worries of the person next to me and wondering if they will be okay with what they were being sent. The keys to reading thoughts are very subtle. You must know that you can and then allow yourself to be receptive. Don't expect words though you may perceive them instead receive "Knowing" that you then can translate to words yourself.
Thanks for the video/report on Gurdjieff
Thank you Debbie / yes, it all happens in Finland. Although, I would have liked to be here when this meeting took place / now about 100 years ago!
Delighted to find your channel. Paz y luz.
It's interesting that he qualified the part about hypnosis, saying 'by no known methods'. I'm not implying that GG used tricks - only that he was supposedly learned from old masters in his youth. Fascinating to hear.
Great video. Thank you.
'Madness is next to genius!'
Whilst Gurdjieff was capable at times of putting together some very beautiful and entrancing dance movements, at others he seems to have demonstrated signs of insanity.
Sounds like he had a trip to me
Check out the book ‘Superhuman Training’ by Chris Zanetti (training for REAL supernatural powers).
The value of relics as a transmitter of one individual’s essence to another is well known across Central Asia as well as the Himalayan plateau.
Tibetan Buddhist and Bon traditions include esoteric understandings about the value of a kudung (corpse). There are accounts of Jamyang Khyentse Chokyi Lodro taking bits of a corpse and distributing it among a few Practioners for consumption.
Hair, fingernails, bone fragments, especially skulls, were viewed as conveyors of enlightened essence if consumed orally or burned and inhaled as smoke, or wearing the relic on one’s person in a reliquary- all these are common expressions in Tibet, Sikkim, Bhutan, Nepal, Mustang and adjacent lands among the devotees.
Gurdjieff here is again bringing eastern traditional views into concordance with mystic Christian understanding.
And doing so with success, by this evidence.
Never ending secret talk with no content.
What could be the "other thing"Ouspensky discovered in himself?
Russ Sizer higher self
oh man i have so many questions...
These video reminds me of similar accounts of early British explorers traveling through india and being treated to the "Climbing a rope" trick. On a slow boat journey through India a skinny man in a loin cloth with a rope swims to the boat and gathers people in a tight close circle around him.
He then tosses they rope in the air where it magically stays and then climbs up the rope out of sight. He then climbs back down to everyone's amazement and he passes a cup around for generous tips from delighted travelers, jumps in the water and swims to shore. A passenger not participating in the amazing event was asked what he thought of what had happened. He said "What happened? You all just sat there looking up at nothing". Nothing had happened.
The Indian showman used his consciousness to create a thought field around him and implanted in their minds that he climbed a rope up into the sky. It was all mental.
The core ability to do things like this involve collecting and storing energy. Many people today think Yoga is trendy and is much like going to the gym. It is healthy but its primary purpose is collecting and storing chi/life energy like a battery so you can then use the energy for an intended purpose.
We all know we need to breath to live and we breath in oxygen but in addition we breath in life energy which not just equally important but more important. Oxygen keeps your physical cells and body alive while chi energy keeps your spiritual/soul body alive.
This one energy manipulates and manifests everything. What you use your energy for, if you have any extra, is up to you. Most people don't even know about the energy and when they do manage to gather it they use it for sex. There is nothing wrong with sex, in fact if you are trying to manifest human life spending your Chi on sex is exactly what you should be doing.
For many people the hardest thing in the world for them to do is even believe there is such an energy and that it is real. But this very same energy is what allows Karate experts to chop through a stack of bricks/blocks. Their hand may break through the first brick but it is the directed chi energy that cuts through all of the others with laser focused intent. Other Chi masters can light wood shaving on fire with their focused energy. Others can heal tumors or manifest events.
The key to gathering Chi energy for reading minds, implanting thoughts like in this video is proper breathing. People instinctually know that mouth breathers are typically the dumbest people around. Cartoon characters, actors, or criminals with that open mouth "DUH" look. They really are dumber. To collect the maximum amount of chi energy you need to have proper posture, breath through your nose and breath deep into the bottom of your lungs. Imagine your spine as being like a polar magnet with a positive and negative end and imagine a magnetic field around your body like that of the earth because that field "IS" your life force field. When it is gone is when you are truly dead. Proper posture allows the field to flow freely without interruption and adding to the energy of your field through proper breathing makes it stronger and extend further from your body.
This is very wordy I know and a lot to take in but don't try to think about it too much. Just allow it to settle into your mind so you can build on it and learn to use your energy for useful purposes from this day forward.
Rope story from "Mental Fascination" book? One of my favorite books, had a very crazy experience with that.
You know qigong, about Jing, Qi, and Shen, each one being refined to the next... From my experience, this kind of "hypnotic" and "telepathic" phenomena are not just simply qi, but a further "refinement" of the same energy, where it becomes a sort of "psychic" force... it's also the same energy exerted in charisma, sexual attraction, etc
@@guidedmeditation2396 🙋useful
I have had very similar experiences with another person.
It even involved G.
I was working with a girl on these things and one evening, while being particularly "occupied" with self remembering a very strong thought entered my mind, that is, I have experienced it just the way Ouspensky explained it here.
I had a very strong desire to meet G. even though he was "dead" by that time and it was as if G. in spirit told me that he is here.
I looked up to the girl and she looked at me in a way nobody ever looked at me before.
She nodded and I felt something that I could not and would not want to start to explain.
Could you please tell me more about "working on these things" , does it require meditation as an relaxation , word repetition as an mantra chanting ? i would like to get a better understanding of these practices/ exercises . I know very little by listening to the narrator in this clip about been together in a group facing each other and that's where the story begins.
I could share my email if needed. Thanks!
Problem is, people add too much. Constantly add and by adding, take something away at the same time.
No amount of relaxation practices or word repetition can bring this form of relaxation G. talks about.
Maybe you would repeat a word a thousand times and become tired of it, then maybe you are closer to it.
As long as there is identification, what Ouspensky saw cannot be seen.
Ouspensky had this glimpse, Gurdjieff told him that now he is awake, shortly after went back to sleep due to identification.
@@Journalistification Read "The Fourth Way" by P. D. Ouspensky, if you want to learn about the work of Gurdjieff.
several people have claimed to have seen Gurdjieff after his death like John Wilkinson here www.gurdjieff-internet.com/article_details.php?ID=321&W=52
Dushka Howarth wrote about it in her book on Gurdjieff too
that sounds like a crock of shit to me~
I've given up on trying to listen to this series, Unfortunately for me it's spoken a bit too fast and the recording of the voice
sounds muffled.
In this episode the lady came through quite ok, for me.
It seems that PDO received Shaktipat from Gurdjieff; I'd only associated such things with Hindu masters prior to these accounts, but now am opening to the possibility of it occurring in different dimensions. By that, I mean healing occuring from proximity of thought to powerful spirit in life and/or the afterlife.. This probably sounds sacrilegious - just thinking aloud, as it were. Peace, all.
Yes he transferred higher energy to Ouspensky, so he stayed for hours in a higher state. Many other pupils reported similar things. Fritz Peters described how Gurdjieff transferred blue healing energy on him and healed him during WW2. But Gurdjieff did such things only to pupils who made efforts, to others he just played a stupid man to get rid of them.
@@MastersofWisdom I get the impression G purposefully offended Ouspensky prior to the telepathic events in order to generate an energy within him that was later used in a constructive way with the telepathy. Something like: step 1, generate negative internal energy in the person by offending them. Step 2, cleanse the negativity but leave the energy there with specific stretching movements. Step 3, now use that energy in a positive way.
From which writings are you reading?
Ouspensky - In Search of the Miraculous. Chapter 13
Drop everything and go to Holly Mount Athos ! Said Ouspensky , before he died ..
What do they mean by self remembering?, I've never understood that, its so vague.
being much more alive than the normal state of man - do a Movements seminar and you will get the taste of it - its like seeing something for the first time like a child does
@@MastersofWisdom I have since read up on it, www.satrakshita.com/self-remembering.htm
@@MastersofWisdom What's a Movements seminar?
@@perplexedmoth a seminar where you can partake in Gurdjieff´s dances
Hi Jim just remember say a birthday party when you were a child hold that memory and now what was the weather doing outside? it gets confusing to read all these descriptions but it becomes clearer when you remember times when you did it. I guess in a sense thats the only times we remember the events at all but there is remembering and self-remembering The latter will have everything in there that's why I asked about the weather!
The Unity of Spirit
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面白そう。
A total G 😅