Thrustmaster TMX Pro [REVIEW] Still good in 2022?
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My in-depth review of the Thrustmaster TMX Pro. I take a close look at the hardware (wheel and pedals) and tell you everything you need to know about the performance of this hardware.
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00:00 Intro / Wheelbase inspection
03:06 T3PA pedals
05:13 Power on calibration and software
06:49 Table clamp
07:26 PC game compatibility
08:05 Force feedback
10:35 Wheel friction and Sturdiness
11:57 T3PA pedal performance
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Which is better thrustmaster t128 or tmx
@@rockx6298 They're basically the same. The only noticeable difference is the wheel rim size is different, TMX has a larger wheel.
I've been playing racing games with my controller for a while, and I know what move to make now. Nice review and I love your cockpit view.
Bruh
Was it worth it?, I’m thinking of getting one for casual use
@@jaywantbhosale check his username, he meant what he said.
I need some help with the t128 thrustmaster to install on Xbox one series
Fantastic review! Love the comparing to the non Pro version of the TMX.
As someone who used the TMX pro for a few years as my entry wheel, I can definitly recommend buying it as a first wheel. You get a lot for the money. after a few years of regular use, you may find that the shifter pedals will start to break. The T3PA pedals are pretty decent but I'd always recommend upgrading to the new T-LCM pedal set instead because even with the brake mod, it's nothing compared to a proper loadcell brake.
I did use a G920 wheel by logitech for a short time before getting the TMX wheel and I'd say if you choose between the two, the TMX pro is the way to go.
a few months back I decided to upgrade to the fanatec ecosystem and I don't regret it but TMX pro is a great point to start at to get a feel for whether you want to invest more money in the future!
Nice feedback, thanks.
Thanks, this is so useful. I have been wanting to get into sim racing for a while now and you helped me make a choice on what to get. This is such useful feedback and I couldn’t thank you more.
Update: figured out I have to go with normal TMX because I can’t afford the pro because I’m a kid (don’t ask why I am into sim racing while being a kid). Luckily, I’m good at dealing with what I got and I’ll still have fun even without a clutch. I’ll figure out how to drift without it.
@@____football____
if you're going normal TMX I think that's fine if you can't afford the pro version but the plastic pedals are going to annoy the heck outta you. Maybe it's worth waiting and saving a little extra for the pro version to get the T3PA pedals? :)
otherwise you could do an upgrade path something like this:
Thrustmaster TMX ->
Save money to eventually get the T-LCM pedals ->
Upgrade to for example either a TS-PC Racer and a wheel addon of your choosing :)
For me I went a bit sideways at first.
I got the Logitech G920, it's a very good wheel but the pedal set is absolute garbage to be ruthlessly honest.
i got it used but i managed to resell it 2nd hand again so gained some money back and decided to get the Thrustmaster TMX Pro. Bought it from the store. I invested in the TH8A Shifter as well so i went all into Thrustmaster eco-system. Sad thing with TMX is that the wheel is not interchangable. Even Fanatec entry level you can interchange the wheel rim if you want to so that was a bummer. for the longest time i was using what i got so to speak cause upgrading from a $300 to a $1000+ setup is daunting.
My worst fear with upgrading to Fanatec was that it's soooo much money invested into something. Ultimately, I am happy that I invested in it because I really really enjoy it.
TL;DR You have to start somewhere :) and if your starting point is the regular TMX so be it! :) hope you will enjoy your purchase and welcome to the world of sim racing. It's a very expensive hobby but it's nothing compared to the costs of actual track time and the sims these days have become so realistic and it's improving every year.
@@marcusberggren9241 Yeah, I was planning to upgrade the pedals later. The fact that they’re plastic and cheap feeling won’t bother me very much but I do want some better quality ones that will last me a long time.
Thanks for the friendly welcoming and I’m super happy to be in the sim racing community.
I’m excited to learn to drive. lol
@@____football____ bruh I'm 28 I don't have a license nor a car, simply because I live in the central part of a large city. I get around by walking, bicycle or public transport (I live in Europe, I know public transport isn't available everywhere) and I'm content not having a car. I do all my driving virtually 😎
Really good and detailed review, answered all my questions and more. keep up the good work.
Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.👍
Thank you for all the insight on these sim racing peripherals, they've been really helpful!
I've never gotten into sim racing before and I just picked up one of these wheels with pedals and a cheap wheel stand for 64 bucks shipped. This will be my first time into driving wheels and didn't want to spend a ton, so found it secondhand. My other option was a DFGT for 40 bucks but I figured the belt/gear hybrid system would be better due to the lack of deadzone and slightly quieter. It only has the basic cheapo 2-pedal set but I'll probably try to do some sort of rubber pad/brake mod for the time being until I can find a cheap set of T3PA's used too. I've seen a number of arduino DIY USB conversions so I'll probably try to find a Logitech Driving Force shifter and convert it to USB since the TH8A is way out of my price range right now.
If It's your first time diving into sim racing, you're doing it the right way and finding bargains to keep it cheap. The weakest performance element of the setup is the 2 pedal, pedal set, so definitely you'll want to upgrade the pedals when you can.
I have one and use it mostly for F1 racing. It is a great wheel for a beginner. I know I will upgrade someday but it definitely works till then. Plus just being able to put it on your desk makes it much easier for me as I don’t have any room for an actual setup.
Same, I primarily use mine for F1 and DiRT. Works great especially since I don't have a dedicated set-up for it.
I'm getting one and am planning to upgrade within a year if I like it
i would just like to say ice ran my tmx pro at 100% ffb for over 120 in game hours and have had no problems, very pleased with it and i highly recommend
Great video mate. Just upgraded from the TMX to the TS PC racer and I’m so glad I did! It’s so much better and my times have improved as I’m getting so much more feedback (I can feel things i couldn’t with the TMX and I can now catch the car in skids which seemed impossible with the TMX). Also I could never get hang of the pedals so upgraded to some fanatic CSL ones and my times improve again along with my constantly.
Don’t think I could ever go back now but it was a good wheel for me and anyone staring out 👍🏻
Thanks man. Someone also mentioned they found it impossible catching slides with the TMX.
It’s absolute impossible! Great to see the ts pc is a great upgrade. I’ll get one soon🙂
@@Chris-rf6xj What's the full product name for TS PC? I am currently doing research. I found a Thrustnaster TMX Pro for $300.
@@PCProphecy Probably just Thrustmaster TS PC Racer.
300 is a lot of money for a TMX Pro! US prices i guess. I bought mine from Amazon Europe for €150 (used, very good condition). But the TMX Pro is definitely worth the money. Only with ACC does the FFB seems to give you too little information. It could also be my own skills are lacking.
Awesome review! I'm tossing up between this and the TX if I can justify the price. But this still sounds like a solid wheel to get back in to as I've been using a controller for the past 8 years.
information: amazing
execution: perfect
dialog: good to understand
10/10 would watch a recommendation/review from you again
Review a review
finaly a review that i am looking foor, i was sold my g27 cose that ffb dead zone, planing to buy a TX, BUT every video talk about smoothness(wich i have no doubt), but no1 speak about dead zone and precision, GG best review
my first steering wheel experience comically was in actual car (in driving school). and already then i was sick of loose wheel i.e. dead zones. when i decided to try sim racing, i was sure what i dont want to see in gaming wheel which led me to belt drive and finally TMX Pro.
I've racked up a total of around 840 hours on my TMX with the T3PA and I love it, for a budget wheel, they are incredible. The FFB still feels very good and hasn't worn out over the 5 years of use. The rubber around where the spokes is completely worn flat with the repeated use. I can't applaud it enough
Is it for pc top?
@@09Crookzz Yes the TMX wheel will work with PC.
@@09Crookzz I used my TMX on my Xbox one for 4 and a half years and for about 7 months on my PC, it connects to both easily
How did you count your hours
@@saud1670 I just checked all my driving game hours from steam and just an achievement checker for Xbox as I've only ever used my wheel for driving games. it's slightly higher now since I wrote that comment so it's most likely 1000/1200 hours
i have owned the TMX pro set for 3 years now . i play everything from assetto corsa forza F1 to snowrunner with it AND I LOVE IT !!! , some games do require playing with the settings
do you use it for xbox series x?
There are so many mods to improve this wheel into a proper wheel base. I modded the Logitech G27 to the extreme and it was like night and day the difference it made. Great entry level wheel but can be made better if you are interested in modding.
Your G27 was an impressive transformation.
I just bought at G920 as my first wheel. What kind of mods did you make & how?
@@briantwining86 I have the mods on my channel and on this forum www.isrtv.com/forums/topic/24577-evolution-sim-rig/
I have it and it is very good. No mods. The only minor cons would be the thickness and plastic feel of the rim. I think i should try fingerless cycling gloves. I used it only on Assetto Corsa, waiting for Ac2 in 2024. Overall very happy with the tmx pro. It feels solid. I bought it for the speed shifter metal and pedal and belt driving. Solid package for a good price.
I'm looking to buy my first steering wheel, but I would like an E-brake and stick shift rather than paddle shifters. Any advice on what to look at or should I just get a more mainstream entry wheel like the TMX pro here?
Thank you for the honest review. Very detailed, and helpful for a new Sim racer like my self who still is using a controller. One question, how does this wheel work in games like F1 2021 as I will be mostly playing that game my self.
It is compatible with the F1 2021 and everything else out there too.
Hey, I'm thinking about buying my first racing wheel and was wondering which one you would recommend between the g29/920 and the tmx/t150 pro? Or even another one if you think there is a better option :)
Great review by the way :D
The G29/920 force feedback can produce a rattle noise and there is a force feedback centre deadzone. So I do prefer the TMX Pro for this reason. However I would say the Logitech wheels have better build quality and is likely to last longer over the years.
I had a G920 last year, only kept it for a couple of months, couldn't get on with it. I think mainly due to the pedals, they were kinda either on or off with no real in between which made more delicate inputs like feathering the throttle impossible.
This sounds a lot better though!! And no dead zone in the steering is good! I hated that there was about 15 or degrees of nothing in the centre of the G920!
Might have to look into getting one of these for the BTCC game coming next year!
Are there any pedals that aren't on/off like you said? I have the G920 and have the same problem.
i wonder if you can mod 920 to belt drive. if the drive assembly is service-friendly, i guess you can with some machining and proper belt.
Very good review thanks for your time and effort.
excellent review-very imformational and well-informed
Thank you kindly!
What a legendary wheel for me the pedals unfortunatly just broke yesterday as of writing this i have used it since 2018 and it has gotten some real wear and tear.
The clamp is actually very sturdy and can be cranked down really hard.
thanks for the quality review, grabbing one next week
Hope you enjoy it!
for series x?
@@merijns7289 ended up with a t150, I'm on PC not sure
elite pedals for $120 with a stand ..and then thrustmaster tmx pro and includes seat and mounting rig for $300 ... I've heard just the csr elite pedals alone are worth it because they are load cell based and can be used with any setup
great rview, thanks
thank you for this very thoughtful review!
You are so welcome!
Hey im in 2024 im thinking about getting a tmx and i have a g920 juts tryna get some info so i watched this video so this really helped me! Thanks bro
g29/920: fancier, both hardware and software. tmx pro: no goddamn dead zones (the wheel doesnt have a play in small rotations and FFB is more accurate)
Great review! Thanks
Thanks for watching!
I have some old fingerless cycling gloves which work really well to avoid noticing the cheap feeling of the wheel.
Good idea, i will try. That’s my only cons of the tmx pro, the thickness and grip feeling could be improve. But overall it is a good wheel and pedal set (tmx pro)
One of the few purchases in my lifetime that has been worth every penny.
great Vid! In our household we play F1 2021 on our Xbox Series X. We nou have a Thrustmaster 458 Ferrari (non FB) and enjoy the hell out of this. I was wondering about a FB wheel and watched a lot of videos of the G920 and the Thrustmaster TMX. After seeing this video I just ordered a Thrustmaster TMX (FB). I think Max Verstappen and Hamilton should watch out for us now! 😅
Awesome, for your first force feedback wheel, I'm sure you're going to love it.
Hi. Do you face any issues with thrustmaster 458 in F1 as it only offers 270° rotation? Sadly G920 and TMX are not available in my country.
10:07 Wreckfest. Exactly the game i am getting a wheel for 😄
great in depth review!
Much appreciated!
for $240 with 900 degrees and force feedback, thats impressive
At 15:41 when he just casually dumps that McLaren and proceeds on like nothing happened had me rolling
Did you buy the Ricmotech hard mount this year? I haven't seen it pop up all year, and I have a price alert on it.
I'm sure I bought it last year. I've had it quite a while.
hi i have an important question... TMX PRO or G923? thank you
Thanks. I got some info out of this. But I play FH5 & Assetto Corsa
Great set up! I wanna make videos like this too but can't afford the equipment atm
Thanks Vincent. I started the channel with a webcam and cheap microphone, things have been upgraded over time since then, but we all have to start somewhere. Good luck with it!👍
Would you say this is better for f1 than my scuderia one ?
Great video sir!
Thank you kindly!
Can i use it on the xbox series s?
Bought one recently and love it
for series X?
Is there a button to change gears or something. Didn’t know this one had a clutch pedal.
Is there any way to change the steering angle if you don’t have a computer and only have the Xbox?
Nice review..I never did a review on my T150. It’s collecting dust back in the box.
Or u can give it to me if it’s just sitting in the box lol
@@sameedahmad I might do a giveaway on it when I make partner
What is that mod you did to the braking ?
I buy one, came early but im scare that the wheel have a delay??
Hi, i'm gonna buy my first weel with peddal and i don't know if buy TMX Pro or Thrustmaster TX Racing wheel edition. If u can help me pls. Sorry my english, i'm from Spain!
Good video
If you can stretch your budget go with the TX, the stronger force-feedback and lower friction of the TX is a good improvement over the TMX.
Cant get the wheel to stop spinning when hooked up to my laptop.
but works fine on my desktop.
Rage mode.
**** Update, now it stays calibrating when connected to my desktop as well.
i been using t150 which same base as TMX but 1080 deg ps4 ps3 wheel
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its great for someone just want play sim racing and think about going deeper
Both the g20 and the tmx (2 pedals not three) are the exact same price in my country, I plan to use it solely for f1 2021/2022. In that case, which would you prefer?
Okay, the 2 pedal set is horrible, really terrible. The Logitech pedals are much better. So G920 would be the better package for the money.
@@SimRacingCorner alright lad, thanks for the quick reply. I figured the tmx would be better since I hear the deadzone on the G20 is noticeable.
Yes, the dead zone is noticeable. It's a thing you get used to, but a negative element for sure.
Great video bro
Appreciate it
It's worth mentioning that there is a 3D printed hub adapter available for the TMX that will allow you to quick release any time your like, and you'll get the best experience with this wheel if you decrease all dampening affects and increase all detail effects to maximize the dynamic quality of the force feedback. Dual belt design is great for smoothness but not great for fine detailed FX.
Hey can you help me with this? very interested, I have a 3d printer.
how would you say this compares to the G923? I could get the TMX pro + th8a OR the g923+shift for the same price, which would be better for a more realistic sim setup? (Drifting included)
I would give the G923 the advantage, the wheel rotates smoothly with little friction than the TMX which you'll appreciate for drifting. This also improves the feel and delivery of the force feedback. Overall build quality is also better with the Logitech wheel.
@@SimRacingCorner is the logitech g29 better to do simracing than the tmx pro? Do they both have a deadzone or noy?
I am currently debating on which racing wheel to get the logitech g920, g923 or the tmx pro which would you recommend. One thing really want is strong force feedback. I am only 11 btw and would only really use them on f1 2021 and ac
If your budget stretches to the G923, then I would say spend a bit more and go with the Thrustmaster T300 or TX. Or look on eBay or other second hand classified ad to save some money.
@@SimRacingCorner thanks very much for your advice😁
The games i want to play most are f1 2021 and beamng drive, would this be a good wheel to use or should i get a higher end wheel for the better feel?
Moving up to a mid-range wheel such as the T300 does make a good difference to the force feedback. If you can afford a more expensive wheel and will be using it a lot then it's worth skipping entry-level wheels and getting something better.
I'm picking this up or a t150/g27/g25 plan is to use it as a base for a drift SIM rig for beamng
would you recommend it over the g923 if they were the same price?
No
Will it be stable if I mount it to a desk whose front edge isn't 100% parallel to the wall behind the desk (My goal is to mount the wheel so that it's perpendicular to the wall behind the desk.)? I would say it's roughly ten degrees off. It's hard to explain but if I mounted the wheel perpendicular to the table, then the pedals would be at an angle if I press them against the wall, which would be weird. I guess another way to ask this question, do the pedals stick to the ground or do they move? I hope you understand what I mean, lol.
Edit: I'm going to use it with VR anyway, so it doesn't matter whether it's right in front of the monitor. If the pedals stick to the ground, then it doesn't have to be set up perpendicular to the wall.
If you don't use the conical brake mod you'll be fine with the pedals on the floor.
Is this wheel better than the g29 for drifting and americsn truck simulator?
Great review! Deciding to get either this one of the logitech wheel.
I have a logitech g920 and it’s terrible, when drifting and using it vigourosly the wheel gets misaligned which is so bad
Don’t buy Logitech wheels they are overpriced and you’re better off with a TMX Pro.
@@maxollerenshaw6584 I feel you.
quite refreshing to see a review that points out the flaws as much as the pro's with these entry level wheels. ive been spoilt on sim racing hardware for a while, using direct drive motors for a few years now currently own a simucube 2 pro... i purchased a thrustmaster T150 for my 6 year old just to quite frankly keep him away from my gear which as we know isn't to be messed with by kids and you know... my first impression of the T150 was it is absolutely disgustingly horrible, from the point you take it out of the box it feels like you rescued it from a few years at the bottom of the sea, full of wet sand, i couldn't think of anything worse to play a game with but when i see my kid having fun and not even thinking twice about how it works im reminded what these products are for, they are a fun entry into simulating racing and most of us have to appreciate what these do for our community. We are surely now at a point however where higher end hardware needs to trickle its way down the stack, belts need to be standard entry level bringing with it increased smoothness and immersion and direct drives need to be made affordable, thankfully it is looking like those steps are slowly being made.
Thanks for the feedback. I've built up some useful experience reviewing other driving wheels and indeed I also have a DD setup so all this knowledge helps with detailed breakdowns like this.
4.39 add this in your title very info
Are there any add-on wheels for this set, like f1 steering wheels for instance?
This is answered in the review
Hi does this support xbox series s/x?
I wish gaming companies took into consideration, paraplegics love playing racing games too. Would love to buy a decent steering wheel that allows me to re-map the gas pedal and brake buttons. 😓😓 Car manufacturer's speaking to use well. 😂
you can with this one ,like A for gas and B for brake ... as long as game supports key mapping :)
Hi! I'm really late to your comment, but I'd take a look at the fanatec ecosystem, specifically the mclaren gt3 rim. It has paddle shifters, as well as two analog paddles that you could use for gas and brake.
Does this work for the Xbox 360 too?
I wish the shifters weren’t so expensive ether.
How much does the thx pro coast
Do the pedels go off how far they travel or the force applied?
Travel
i like this wheel better than the g920 because it is a perfect circle but it doesnt support a handbrake and i want it to drift and the tmx pro is sold out
Im using an old Logitech Momo at this moment, do you believe it's worth to upgrade to this wheel or upgrade to a T300? Im just casually playing sim racing games like assetto corsa. Im really limited to F1 mods at this moment due to the 270 degrees of the Momo.
The T300 is a nice bump up in strength and ffb detail over the TMX. Another one to consider is a second hand Logitech Driving Force GT. They are usually cheap on eBay and will give you 900 degrees of rotation, and also a decent upgrade over the MOMO. th-cam.com/video/eqRJ4aSxhx8/w-d-xo.html
@@SimRacingCorner Thanks for the tip, just snatched a T300 for 120 euros! That's just a steal. And holy shit what a difference!
@@Nickinatorz 👍
What's the degree?
Anybody having wheel alignment issues with Xbox and this wheel combo? Just curious. Fanatec seems to be having delivery issues at the moment what are some other options currently available?
How is that shifter called?
Wow this is very helpfull
I wanted to get the pro but I didn’t for whatever reason, now I live to regret that decision, cause the manual pedals are so expensive separate.
I’m having an issue with mine on Xbox one can someone help?
It works perfectly fine in F122 menu’s, I select the wheel on configuration but it detects nothing I press during races or time trials, i haven’t got a clue what to do
Personally the ffb is too slow for me and makes drifting quite a hassle. If drifting is your thing, might wanna go t300 for faster wheel spin
As the owner of one too, I can say that it might not be ideal, but it's definitely usable (hey, even manage to usually survive group dirt rally 2 so it can't be that bad)
Plastic wheel rim assembly and pedals compared to the G29 at the same price. Im going with the G29, the T300 looks awesome but cost too much with the H pattern shifter for me.
you'll love how noisy and terrible the ffb is on the g29 if you wanna do anything serious. It sucks for counter steering etc.
@@kangarookicker6995 I think i'll be plenty happy with a G29. I run in many top split races in Iracing with a BROKEN DFGT. I put my money towards IRL drifting, not a sim setup.
@@z33tanner is the g29 good ? I can't choose between the tmx pro and the G920, is the force feedback good enough for drifting ?
Hey, i dont know if you will see this but my g29 is probably gonna break soon and i dont know what wheel to buy, do you reccomend the tmx pro or is that a downgrade from the g29
Consider it a sidegrade. Similar FFB power, but no center dead zone and no rattle, plastic wheel isn't as nice as the G29, clamp isn't as secure. Basically pro's an cons for both.
@@SimRacingCorner thx
Does anyone know if the Brook converter will allow me to use my TMX Pro on a PS5?
Can i Use it for xbox series s
Are u able to get the f1 wheel rim instead or no?
No, the wheel is fixed
I run my t3pa inverted so I have to have the light set to green
Where should I buy it from, I bought it from Amazon and it didn't work I'm leery about buying it again.
Thrustmaster sell directly from their website. But if you have Amazon Prime, postage is free and they pay for the return postage for faulty items.
I saw this wheel in my local CEX for £180 and was looking for a wheel to play some racing games and Euro Truck Simulator, do you think that this wheel could be good to start with on that.
I would recommend a Logitech G29 or 920 instead. On CEX they're around £180 too, and Logitech wheels are built to a better standard.
@@SimRacingCorner thankyou, that will really help
@@SimRacingCorner what if I’m getting one for $200 AUD - apparently been in its box for 90% of its lifetime and near perfect condition? For windows 11
@@SimRacingCorneralthough it’s not the pro just normal
How thick does the desk have to be to be able to clamp? I’m worried it won’t fit on my current desk :/
How thick is your table top? I thought I mentioned measurements for the clamp in the review as a guide.
@@SimRacingCorner about 4.4 cm
You're good it will fit
Ive been using a g920 since 2018 and shee clapped out now. Changing to a tmx pro soon
go ahead and get it. I got my tmx in 2018 as well, its good. I didnt get the pro model, so i didnt get the 3 pad pedals, might get just those
Interesting that you had issues with feeling/catching spins in tight corners as no matter which custom FFB file i use for AMS2 i cannot get that feeling to work. Guess it is simply asking too much of wheel at this price point
I will say all the entry-level wheels I've reviewed are the same in this respect. The FFB is limited in conveying detail and range, which unfortunately is what's needed for catching slides. I have borrowed a TX wheelbase for review. I'm sure a TX or T300 would be sufficient in making a difference with this problem. This will be something I'll test for, and cover in the review
Mine loses force feedback without warning very often in game, while driving. I have to unplug unplug plug back in, while paused, and offline. Because this , I can't go online, it would ruin every race
What can I do?
My mode button is red, but I only have the 2 pedal set. And it won't allow me to change the color. I feel like this is part of the reason it's not communicating properly
Hey mate is this wheel for pc too?
Yes, just PC racing games were tested in the review.
Can you use logitech shifters with this?
No
Have a tmx pro. Pearls quit after six months. Don’t know if that common.
To compare with G923 on Xbox, which one should I get (regardless the price)? Cheers.
I would put the G923 ahead of the TMX Pro. The (G923) wheel rotates more smoothly (less friction) which improves the delivery of force feedback.
@@SimRacingCorner bought one. Thank you.
@@SimRacingCorner how about g29? Same price in Indonesia
@@arizalyoga TMX Pro is better than the G29.
@@SimRacingCorner thank you so much, good review. keep making videos!
I got that heel to and my wheel had 3 times died but I got it a year
Can u use a Logitech shifter on the tmx pro I just bought a tmx pro?????
No, the Logitech shifter will not plug into the TMX or any Thrustmaster wheelbase. But If you're on PC you could use a special USB adaptor on the Logitech shifter and make it a standalone shifter, then it will work with your TMX. th-cam.com/video/4N6wx_IH0vk/w-d-xo.html