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- From the Notre-Dame and Saint Marks Cathedrals to Big Ben and Westminster Abbey. They are all symbols of the western world. But according to a new book, Gothic architecture might not be as European as we think.
Diana Darke, Author of 'Stealing from the Saracens' 00:46
#Gothic #IslamicArchitecture#Architecture
When I studied architecture, I was never taught to see these beautifully proportioned buildings and the subtleness of the adornment in architecture. The more I see, the more I wish; if I could be lucky enough to design something even close in my life. Islamic architecture of the middle ages is an inspiration for all architects regardless of their identity and ethos.
Bro.. I'm trying to incorporate it into my thesis which is based on mappila community of Malabar.
But I am just not able to wrap my head around the depth of Islamic architecture.
I'm trying to blend it with vernacular architecture of Malabar.
Can I have your mail id ?
I too have studied architecture. Diana Darke is not very precise. Much of Christian architecture predates Islamic architecture. Europeans were explorers in Africa, Middle East, India, China, etc. Romans, Greeks, Vikings, Celts, Mongols, Chinese, Japanese, Hindus, etc were learning engineering and mathematics from each other. Muslim civilisations came many many centuries later.
@@pinklady7184 you are right & wrong.
Muslims were never ashamed to credit the previous civilizations for their contributions & always were honest in admitting that in their works.
Infact, Islam considers itself as the continuation & correction (as their scriptures have been corrupted) of previous sacred traditions revealed to mankind, from the same eternal source of truth.
Diana Darke is right regarding gothic architecture & she has also mentioned the earlier influences in Islamic architecture.
the engineering and most of that architechture is pre-islamic .. when the arabs and turks invaded the middle east they used what was Already There to build their empire .. remember that North Africa , anatolia and the Levant were originaly christian lands for 600 years with amazing cities ... islam only changed the artistic design , the reason why the muslim golden age collapsed is because this Knwoledge stolen by Conquest Expired because no significant inventions were being added .. Europe however was kept under siege by the muslims for 9 centuries and it still progressed and ended breaking free in the 16th century and began the colonial age .. that's the difference between a culture that built it's golden age with stolen knowlege Vs a culture that continiously progresses
All cultures were inspired in one way or another from another culture. So it's normal. What is wrong is, to not disclose this to public. Like if they were saying, they made this without any inspiration from the muslim world that they hate so much.
Most of the comments refer to religious buildings whether churches or mosques ,and which one influenced the other .The Sumarians in Ur, the old civilization of Mesopotamia known as Iraq now , long before the Romans used arches because they were building using dried mud bricks, and didn't use lintels as the Greeks used in their stone buildings.
Al Rawi is an Iraqi tribal designation, Anbari to be more specific.
That region also seemed to use geometric shapes to represent various Gods, an equilateral triangle for one, an isosceles triangle for another, a square , 5/6/7 pointed star etc, crescent (Moon God) , cross (Sun God)etc for others, are most people in the region familiar with this now?...I'm assuming you know more about this than I do. @@multanprarie2600
Nothing wrong, Japanese, Korea, Mongol take architecture influences from China, Thai and Laos take architecture from Khmer and Malay of North Peninsular[example in Nakhon si Thamarat City Pillar shrine and Surat Thani city pillar shrine, Srivijaya style], The Balinese and Lombok/Sasaknese take architecture [roof tiles, roof style, gate style, red brick way and gate/gapura or panduraksa from Javanese and southern Sumatra], the Central asian architecture take from Persia/Iran
What is wrong is, to not disclose this to public. Like if they are saying, I made this without any inspiration from the muslim world that they hate so much.
They saying it they invented this which is lying and stealing
@@alexferdinansyah757 has the muslim world been ALWAYS honest about their inventions and technologies? No. So don't start whining as a silly girl.
@@Dark-gd7ob they definitely invented it since they mixed knowledge and technologies to make something new. Mixing two products to create a new one. This has always happen in history. Also in the muslim world. So grow up and get over it.
@@jgappy5643 they didn't you stole it
Great point!!! Brave and fair analysis!
My thinking is this phenomenon happens in other parts of the world. Just to mention, I grew In Mexico thinking many forms of art originated in Mexico but later discovered these art traditions were expressions brought in by Spain but very interestingly, I found same art in Istanbul during a trip. I know we know nothing.
Something very important you have to know. When the Christians took back Andalusia from the Muslims, they kept with them many Muslims builders and « architects » and when they went to Central America, they took with them these Muslim architects, builders and massons (maçons). This is why many churches in Mexico have clearly Islamic style and decorations as base…
There are sooo many unknowns, that is the problem inevitably.
There is a great lecture on TH-cam
How Islam saved the western civilization by professor called Roy
He mentions that Tacos are Arabic Shawarma
Great and very entertaining lecture
Ridiculous. She gives an example of 5th century pre-Islamic CHURCH as the inspiration for Notre Dam and then says Islamic architecture inspired gothic architecture 🙄
What a great perspective of such a great woman hats off to you!!
The square, the cube, circle, lines etc were all invented in middle age Islamic culture. Before that, people couldn't draw straight lines.
Brits are good for this - blatantly reveal the truth no matter what. This character may have helped that country in producing so many giants in science and math not mentioning the industrial revolution. If the whole world behave this way we'd have been in a better place.
Yes basic straight line and complicated Algorithms all came from Muslim Golden age. Yes very few Brits are open and truthful the rest of masses are brainwashed to be Ignorant and Arrogant as Britts!!
Oh wow! Last night I found Diana Bark channel and her book discussion by chance. And this morning I got this short explanation that is thoughful and insightful.
Diana Darke is a self hating European trying to appease people like an SJW these days while denigrating her European ancestors as always. Nothing new to see her. Even the way she titles her book says everything you need to know about this women. Also the Gothic architecture if one studies closely isn’t the same at all compared to Arab or Islamic architecture.
@@charlesoflyon6578 are you human or robot?
@@yacubfahmilda3325 are you a troll by any chance?
@@charlesoflyon6578 regarding your answer, you are a human. I like your comment but gonna be useless for me.
@@yacubfahmilda3325 It’s useless because you are blinded by this sheer propaganda. She works for Emir stein, what does that say about the whole thing? Also, she was salty when the Notre Dame spire fell, and the Cathedral was mentioned as a symbolic French icon as people were mourning for it. How would you feel if any mosque was burnin to the ground and she says that the Mosques architecture was NOT Islamic/arab and stolen from the Orthodox Christians?
Not just designs were stolen,but most of modern science.
How do you steal science?
@@disneydisney1490 not acknowledging sources of knowledge and claiming it as ones own, which is exactly what happened in the 18th-19th century in Europe.
There are thousands of inventions and discoveries by Muslim scientists and inventors from the middle ages who are simply not acknowledged in both the influence and direct "stealing" done in Europe.
@@disneydisney1490 by claiming it your discovery or inventory
اي السرقه اغلب العلماء المسلمين ملحدين ماتوا بسبيب الرجال الدين العرب
Rightly said, all civilizations built up upon all previous civilizations knowledge. My best regards to you
Yeah, thats not true to a large degree. Learn some history.
Truth never stays hidden forever.
This thing is the same as what I had thought long ago and wondered about this before. Finally there are people who answer my questions all this time.
I think the word 'stealing' is such a strong word, "inspired" was more appropriate.. Of course if I visit a certain country, and I observe their culture, if there is one thing I would find beautiful or innovative I would bring it back to my nation. I think its the same thing, the high middle ages European architects saw Islamic Architecture beautiful and decided to emulate it.
True. Innovation is not stealing. Adaptation is not stealing.
Inspired is when u acknowledge where u got the idea from , stealing is when u present the idea as yours
Inspiration requires the admittance of the origin of insipiration.
And if this comment section tells us anything, it's that some Europeans don't want to admit a basic fact about cultural developments.
Because EU stole it literally and named it under their name as romanesque nothing mentioned about 1000 years of innovation by Muslim from 6th till 16th century. Renaissance happened in credit to the stealing from Andalucia legacy
Europe was in the dark and in forest when arabs were doing algebra
Other numeral systems predates algebra (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0), ancient Celts used Ogham, Vikings used runes, Romans used letters (I, II, III, IV, V, ...X...C...etc), etc. Celtic designs & Viking designs in jewellery, buildings, etc used lot of geometry and they predate Islamic designs.
Arab took Indian numbering, Europ just did the same but went far ahead, jealous ?
Algebra over camels back
Arabs are making ice cream while European eating meat raw
@Emilio Alvarez Lol don't take credit. America did not invent cars. It was the germans that invented cars. Arabs invented perfume and delicate soaps while America..well america did even exist yet lol. And Europeans back then was still not practicing good hygiene..
Thanks Dyana for innovative work
Good information
It is not surprising that the most enlightened centres of education were in the the Middle East, including the grand library of Alexandria and as most of the European wealthy landowner travelled east they realised what true grandeur really was. Despite the obvious conflicts caused by the many crusades, Islam, Judaism and Christianity were more closely aligned than they are today. Muslim, Christian and Jewish engineers across the Holy Roman Empire cooperated in all areas of science and technology and learnt from each other… many aspects of Islamic culture also has roots in Jewish and Christian traditions..😏
The Jews and Christians of the Middle East did not contribute to anything All he did was the betrayal that caused the downfall of the Middle East

But Jewish and Christian is middle eastern 😉😊
If gothic can be called Saracenic, the Umayyad architecture should also be called ‘Byzantine’ and Abbasid architecture should be called ‘Persian’.
😂And Byzantines too took from others same as persians . People developed from previous knowledge. And Ummayad and Abvasid didnt fall from Sky. Arabic Nabeteans' Petra found in Jordan and al.Ula in Northern Arabia . They too live in this world, even before Byzantine. The oldest desert Skycrapers found in Yemen which is 2000 + years old. So What is your point ? And Persians are now mainly Muslims . So it was normal they used it. Persian architecture too evolved as Islamic architecture when they forcussed more on flower designs , geomatrical , arcs designs and Caligraphy .
@@malar1455 Go and see Taq Kasra, does it have much in common with Byzantium? Look at the Damascus Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, how much they resemble Byzantine churches. In fact, the former was converted from a church, and the mosaic decoration came directly from Byzantine craftsmen.
The Nabataeans were deeply influenced by Greek culture. Byzantine culture was medieval Greek culture and did not come down from heaven.
One has to realize the obvious -it was the Saracens who based their architecture on Christian architecture in the first place -the first mosques were based on Christian basilicas like that in Damascus -the basic domed mosque design was adopted from Christian Byzantine architecture -the horseshoe arch as seen so prominently in Moorish architecture in Spain -especially in the Cordoba mosque -was taken from Christian Visigothic architecture -there are christian Visigothic churches with horse shoe arches that long predate the Moorish conquests and the most obvious of all was the Ottoman Turkish architecture which is almost totally derived from the vast 6th century Christian basilica called the Santa Sophia in Istanbul which has been copied over and over again in the Islamic world.Christian medieval architecture derives far more from ancient Roman(Romanesque) and Byzantine exemplars than from the Islamic world.The flying buttress principle which is the mainstay of Gothic architecture allowing for the building of vast floating Gothic vaults and of incredible stretches of stained glass is nowhere to be found in Islamic architecture -it's from Roman and Byzantine architypes or original to the great French medieval architects like the abbot Suger who designed the saint Denis basilica in paris -the first Gothic church.
Stained glass windows went invented by the Romans. Romans did lots of glasswares and made glass panes for windows.
True , but the bond between Brits and arab goes far back,even thought they hate each other ,but they have so much in common, so they tend to credit each other ,even if it's a lie
You are lying. Squares, cubes, arches, houses, toilets, pipes, triangles everything was invented in Arabia and later spread outwards. Before that people always saw this as random curves. Straight roads weren't possible before Arabs brought it to Europe and from there the first building of the world was made. Arabs also made the first humans and the first horses. Their ancestors built DNA of archaebacteria as well and created the primordial soup
@@AKumar528 Nonsense the Romans and later the Byzantine Christians had all these things long long before the Arabs -your're talking 100% nonsense and I can prove it.
You missed the whole point here. Diana's is saying the artechture originated Alepeo Syria which was Christian. However, the people living in Syria was not Europeans. They were Syrians. As soon as Muslims conquered Syria, they adapted this architecture and spread to North Africa and Iberian peninsula. from there, it spread to Europe.
Byzantine empire which was eastern Roman Empire once also ruled modern Syria.
Incredible and obviously true story, I can't wait to read her book. Very thankful for scholars that use sound reasoning rather then simply accept the institutionalized "knowledge" of history.
Even further back though pre Moorish/Visigoth wars there were already megalithic wonders throughout the Iberian peninsula and indeed much of the world. Who were the original, original builders?
Ridiculous. She gives an example of 5th century pre-Islamic CHURCH as the inspiration for Notre Dam and then says Islamic architecture inspired gothic architecture 🙄
Scrolling the commen here I wonder is it that difficult to accept culture influencing each other? And it's inevitable European culture to be influenced by middle eastern. Even the moderator seems difficult to accept the fact.
You do realise that cultural exchange was thing back then, Aegean , balkanic and Etruscan Civilization did influence ME as well "it's stupid to say Europe never had civilization"
@Nina Aden and don’t forget that European also influence Islamic architecture. The Byzantine domes etc 😌
We middle easterners never claimed that we invited these designs we know that it was influenced by other cultures too. Muslims took an existing ideas an improved it with their own inventions to create something new. Culture nd knowledge is accumulated through history which influences anything that has contact with it. Nothing wrong with using other cultures ideas as long as no plagiarism is in play.
@Nina Aden Balkans on all Europe plus if you Look at our buildings we copied it from ancient room and greece
@@therockstandard3068 the roman empire was introduced to domes by the Arabs, check out Apollodorus of Damascus
A must watch video for all of those who really have an 'open mind' to understand more about ur surroundings...
This video has some gems. I greatly appreciate and applaud it
All your mosques are copies and stolen greeks orthodox cathedrals like Hagia Sophia....you were influenced, not the other way around.
@@victorvega4686
Lmao. Keep crying
@@victorvega4686 Exactly! You’re right!
This woman is a joke.
She is just a salty cat lady.
Most of the things she mentioned are Roman and Greek.
@@victorvega4686 Just follow your dreams. Traveling will enlighten your dreams, never try to be a Victor or you may land up as Vega.
*_Islamic architecture is itself a copy of the Persian architecture_*
Persians are part of Islamic architecture development . Jealous is a disease 😂
Thanks for this wonderful video. What an incredible revelation.
I thank madam Diana for writing the book she is honest and truthful lady who got guts to reveal the truth.i completely agree with her and i like her views and thoughts.
A 5th century church isn’t islamic.
Middle eastern or Syrian doesn’t equal muslim.
Somalia is islamic, but this building isn’t their culture.
Agree. This is just to fuel the “islamophobia”. Ironically the mosques look so identical to Byzantine architecture or churches from the Byzantine empire. I wonder where did it come from. Ohhh just remembered Hagia Sophia in which it’s now a “mosque”.
Well, we call it Islamic because Islam managed to get back control over the Semitic heritage of Assyria and Canaan from the Persians and the Greeks. The actual resemitasation of what the Americans call "Middle east" is mainly the work of Islam after 1200 of Indo-european looting by the Persians and the Greeks(+the Romans).
you can’t even look at Arabs 30 years ago only they didn’t know what shoes or houses are, even your mosques are stolen from Byzantine empire You people claimed that you gave Spain a civilisation ( because Spain already has a civilisation) and you can’t claim that you gave your own land Arabia peninsula or even Afghanistan a civilisation because there’s nothing to steal and claim
@@therockstandard3068 That is what this woman said are we hearing different things?
She specifically said the Arabs were influenced by Byzantines and the Europeans were influenced by the Arabs.
If you dont like the broad generalizations then i recommend listening to her again she gave specific examples.
Wow amazing
We knew this many many years ago but it's great Diana Drake has put a spotlight on it!!!
Alright, just relax. No big issue or problem.
The true irony here is Europeans didn’t call the gothic architecture “Christian Architecture”. But you Muslims refer to your architectures as “Islamic” by that definition you negate the previous contributions of other civilisations that you took from. Diana darke is a self hating European anyway. She’s works for organisation called emir stein favouring Middle East and Arabs of course so there’s definitely bias there!
@@charlesoflyon6578 I don't believe she is a self hating anything she is a person of great courage & truth, you on the other hand hate her for saying it as it is the TRUTH!!! IF I CREATE SOMETHING THAT NO ONE HAS CREATED BEFORE OR THOUGHT OF BEFORE THEN ITS MINE, eg Chinese buildings have their own style, Japanese have theirs etc why is it so difficult for you to accept the truth!!!
The concept of University students which wear the attire at the end of the degree when they have passed wear the robe & that funny looking hat where does that come from you may ask???? that originates from the Muslims once a student would memorize the whole of the Qur'an the holy book the book from Allah swt (God) the students would put the Qur'an on their heads & walk through the town to share auspicious occasion. This was a adapted by England & of course the rest of the world, oh to add to that University's are also a Muslim invention!!!!
@@paulaabdul3698 What a load of horse rubbish. She’s nothing but a snake, she works for a un-factual organisation that promotes a certain propaganda. It isn’t the truth and clearly, biased.
I’m an architectural student, nothing that is written in her book especially the Gothic style which heavily drawn its inspiration from the Romanesque architecture from Islam. There are some small elements that that are eastern, this was because when the crusaders went to the holy land, that’s where Europeans took some of the Christian churches architecture like the pointed archway. Not Islam, nothing is similar, from Flying Buttress, the rib vaults, Rose-tainted Windows, and the dome (Which Islam copied from Hagia Sophia the Greek Orthodox Christians) and even the spire. The gothic Architecture was refined by European stone masons, and sculptures NOT Muslims or Islam. If we compare typical mosque/madrasah and the Saint Paul Cathedral or the Reims Cathedral, they’re both the same! Diana Darke never even mentioned that the ottomans took the Dome design from the Hagia Sophia in her book but she mention “supposedly” Europeans stole everything from Islam, this is where it biased and unreliable.
YOU are WRONG again. The Academic dress (règalia or Academicus robe) such as the robes, hoods or gowns that Europeans or many students around the world wear in Universities during graduation ceremonies were a tradition dating back 950 years ago in Christianity before Islam. This was worn traditionally during when the first Latin ponitifical Universities was founded in Europe by the Roman Catholic Church, where monks, clergyman and priests wear them.
Universities ARE NOT Muslim invention. 80% of the worlds Universities all came from Christianity. The first university were formed in 1088 in Italy. It is the church in Europe that ran educational institutions such as which gave rise to many people Universities, even the word university came from Latin “Universitas”. Stop trying to claim everything in Europe because you can’t match up to Christian history.
This is the attitude that can better the world.
Lets speak the truth,💯✌️✌️✌️,
Overly Sarcastic Productions has several videos absolutely gushing about this subject, well worth the watch
also give Al Muqaddimah(named after the famed historiographic work by Ibn Khaldun) covers a lot of the relevant history pretty well. 10/10 strongly recommend.
How is a church in syria islamic architecture
Its never impossible
There’s churches in Spain based on Islamic architecture never mind Syria ….
@@haideraliibnakhlaq8823 the church predates islam
@@oni8845 yeah, whcih are based on a totally different architecture e.g the church of damascus (which predates muslim rule) with its roman architecture , typical round arches and pointed roof. whereas churches later on starkly start to resemble Islamic architecture with the gothic styles and andalusian styles
@@haideraliibnakhlaq8823 what about the mosques that for some reason look like ancient orthodox churches.
Yeah accept Islamic art, science, philosophy etc... also was heavily influenced by Roman, Greek, Byzantine, Norman, Frankish and so many other cultures. Cultures tend to overlap and integrate ideas with eachother, I really dislike the "stealing" connotations because by the exact same standard the Islamic world has "stolen" from most of the Eurasian continent which I find equally incredulous.
None of it was Islamic. It is Persian.
Only persians and byzantines influenced islamic architecture and particularly ottoman islamic architecture and also greeks copied tones of thijhs from the middle east which was passed down to romans,byzantins and the rest
Umayyad architecture was heavily influenced by Byzantines
@@enrico7474 except that the greeks were the first do there style of classical orders and the philosophy behind it.
@@gardenguster5271 Greeks simply copied Egyptian architecture even culture
The pointed arch appeared for the first time in the Byzantine Christian churches ,Sant appolinare in Classe, Ravenne,Hagia Irène in Constantinople which was the main center of Christianity .The muslin world adopted this technique and it became à caracterisitc of the muslin style.
So sorry its the other way round.
Let me explain the origin of the "Sarrazin style". The gothic style was invented in France in XIi century following the roman style.
During the renaissance later the architects hated this style as too messy and called it the gothique style which was very péjorative ,as " refined as Goths houses"
In the 18 th and 19th century again the architectes of the time which again hated this style an d preferred the classical style called it the "sarrasin style " again to make fun of its over the top complicated architecture which reminded them of muslin buildings.
So again sorry the great cathedral of Sens,Chartres Notre Dame are 100% french .
I have picked up numerous more historical mistakes in this book for (ex the origin of the fleur de lys ) which would be too long to comment on here.
Dont know fho this kady us but certeinly not an historien and clearly has ve
In literature, when one does not reference the source one took the idea from, that person is referred to a plagiarist, in other terms, a thief.
Yeah! Besides robbing styles and techniques left and right, europeans have been actively demonizing these cultures for centuries now. To me the most laughable nationalists are and always will be europeans and north americans.
@@somethingunusual8456don’t blame others of what you do, you don’t recognize the ideas you took from other cultures and demonize everyone outside ur religion, xenophob.
Appreciate this woman
Byzantine or Islamic ? In the first place
The Moors have returned
What a wonderful lady, who is doing a sterling job educating the Europeans especially and the rest of us... I once stopped to have a good look at a pub named, The Saracens Head in Beaconsfield. I hope the high up in the power hierarchy read this book. It will most certainly change their views for the better.
You muslims got educated by christians on how to make a dome, your mosques are copies of orthodox churches. All replicas of Hagia Sophia.
@@victorvega4686 Educate yourself dear. I would suggest you start with reading: STEALING FROM THE SARACENS by DIANA DARKE.
@@MuhammadAli-hr1bj i recommend to read on how mongolian turks stole cathedrals.from greeks and armenians and rename them "mosques". You call your "architure"to steal from others hahaha so pathetic.
@@victorvega4686 You've missed the point. The Western world has systematically tried to cover up its cultural immigrations. That's certainly not the case with Islamic
world. In terms conversion of church to a Mosque at least it was done in an aesthetically pleasing way and with respect that a place of worship deserves. There are so many examples I can quote: horses kept at the Badshahi Mosque, Lahore by British army or the callous addition of an ugly structure built in Middle of the greatest piece of unique architecture in the world, The Mesquita, Cordova, Spain.
@@MuhammadAli-hr1bj the disgust of adding those for ugly sticks around cathedrals and covering the christian art to put ugly isis banners is an abomination, and the Cordoba cathedrals in only beautiful thanks to the roman columns and the christian part, the rest is just a box shaped building.
Don't forget the knowledge that stolen from the libraries of Muslim Spain and Iraq. The great awakening in Europe started after that.
Hahahahajajaha
We see it also in buildings in America
Turkish culture is mostly a Byzantine culture. Somebody should do a research about that and Turks would have been more than amsized.
Turkey always had its storng cultural influence before their peak of power. Look upon their foods and drinks and sweets...
you can’t even look at Arabs 30 years ago only they didn’t know what shoes or houses are, even your mosques are stolen from Byzantine empire You people claimed that you gave Spain a civilisation ( because Spain already has a civilisation) and you can’t claim that you gave your own land Arabia peninsula or even Afghanistan a civilisation because there’s nothing to steal and claim
That’s right and even Turkey belongs to Greek people and native Turkish are actually Bedouins and look more Asians
Yes you are saying everything is Islamic, even though they stole or copied it strange that
@ZN 🤣
@ZN 🤣
the the interviewer seems like about to cry lol.. she just like can't except the reality.. but respect that she can handle it, to go all out after the interview.. lol..
research tartaria and you'll realise the real history of how old these buildings are and who actually made them given that they have the exact same design style
Thank you for highlight that and big thanks for bravery Diana writing this kind of book it was such an honor.
I think the missing link here is Orthodoxy ❤
Read the book first than comment.
Stealing is wrong way to put it. Then the saracens stolen from the Persians and Roman and the Egyptisns and Indians. The Sarances did militsrqly occupy Egypt, Persos and The Roman Empire.
What about ibn sina discovering laws 6 Centuries before newton , ibn khaldoun father of sociology not that french philosopher from 18 century, cordoby who discovered America before Columbus...and more al kende , Al Razi, al tabari, ibn hayan, alkhwarezmi ......
I think the benefit of her take is that "islamic architecture" is not prominent in Architectural learning and it should be.
I'm art historian and I find this biased because Gothic Art may have adoptions and inspirations from Arab and Persian architecture but it's indigenous to the Celtic and Nordic people. Look the Cathredals of 6th and 7th centuries in British Isles and Ireland. Gothic architecture is amalgamation of Romansque and Nordic stone arts with a touch of Italian Renaissance. Romansque came from Romans especially the Byzantines. I would rather say Arabs took much from Byzantine architecture, making domes, setting long columns, making archs Arabs didn't knew these engineering. They learned it from Syrians and Persians, Arabs were masters in making rock architecture example Petra, Palmyra, Bostra in Yemen you will find highrises which is Marvellous in Medieval era.
Not to mention that Arab and Persians are pagans before Islam invaded them so the culture and art is already there.
It's Islam that ban picture and 🗿 and you can see arab and Iranian architecture before Islam
@@moonshadowsong maybe that’s their secret ingredient “ban images” so you can’t trace it no more lol 😂
@@therockstandard3068 if you want 🎨🖌️ and you can't make image of live been so you have to create something new
@@therockstandard3068 and every civilizations make something new like stats of animals in Egypt and Mesopotamia and and picture of 🦁 Iranian, greek and Raman 🏛️ to Byzantium Dom
Not surprising since the Saracens gave birth to Judaism, Christianity and Islam. The Saracens seem cool about it.
Looks like you guys didn't build it at all.
Neither did you build the domes in mosques. It came from the Byzantine world.
@@therockstandard3068 true
Since many years ago when I visit some European citeis and I look to the historical buildings from the rainassans or 11-13 th centureis or I informed that this is a Gothic architecture style , immediately think about the typical Islamic architecture and how it’s influenced on the Gothic style. Unfortunately the formal historical storeis of these countries are ignoring these facts and didn’t tell the people the true story , even that the europeans academic know well the true
im a little confused here, did she say the name Saracens comes from the word sadaqa? which means to steal? I think she has it mixed up. when I give someone sadeqa it is not something stolen but it is something given...If I receive sadeqa, Im recieving something given to me, not stolen. So in essence she is calling Saracens thieves.the Saracens gave a lot to the world they were very wise
Not sadaqa, but saraqa means steal.
She said saraqa u illiterate
Saraqa
I only know baraqah
@@enrico7474 shut up fool and tend to your weedbox godamn weed
Important truth here!
Next "they paraded the [Hagia Sophia's main] Crucifix in mocking procession through their camp, beating drums before it, crucifying the Christ again with spitting and blasphemies and curses. They placed a Turkish cap . . . upon His head, and jeeringly cried, 'Behold the god of the Christians!'
way to signify a victory
Are you kidding? Not sure what your babbling is supposed to be here but if you think this is explaining muslim hating Jesus or something, you should know a Muslim can't be a Muslim without belief in Jesus. And unlike your belief that enemies managed to crucify and hurt Jesus,muslim believe that Jesus was saved by God and his enemies could never hurt him snd instead ended up hurting one of their own, the traitor who betrayed Jesus. No muslim would ever insult Jesus or mock him or jeer at him. Stop regurgitating whatever bigotry you have heard that in reality lacks proof when you do research
@@royaneekhalil6488 Just by saying that Jesus was a Muslim, you are plainly mocking him. Jesus was a Jewish man that died as a Christian crucified by the Romans. There is NO way shape or form that Jesus was a Muslim. So you can stop right there!
@@charlesoflyon6578 we say hes Muslim since he was Prophet of God and his Messenger and he submitted his will to him..
U hv fundamental wrong idea of the word Muslim..
Even adam is Muslim
The organinal religion on earth was islam its just got corrupted later got called "Judaism" or "christianity"
Funny how u say we insult jesus..
While u blasphemous Christians talk so much b.s about god like hes killed, crossed, humiliated was a baby ear food, went to toilet..
This is supposedly ur god lol..
Yet we r insulting and mocking God.. ?
Ur own rubbish Christian theology is a mockery of god and human intellect..
No wonder Europe and other Christian world dont really believe in religion anymore
@@kingmosesix432 Mohammed and Islam didn't exist until centuries after Christianity and Judaism, not even two thousand years ago. The appropriation of Jesus, Adam, and anything else that exists/existed like accomplishments of the Persian civilisation as "muslim" is a mockery of reality, history, intellectualism and human diversity, even of time itself. And you laughably accuse others of blasphemy, corruption and a deficiency of human intellect.
Practically all other churches in the ancient city suffered the same fate. "The crosses which had been placed on the roofs or the walls of churches were torn down and trampled." The Eucharist was hurled to the ground; holy icons were stripped of gold, "thrown to the ground and kicked." Bibles were stripped of their gold or silver illuminations before being burned. "Icons were without exception given to the flames." Patriarchal vestments were placed on the haunches of dogs; priestly garments were placed on horses
Yes the Crusaders did every single thing what u mentioned here to the Christians.
@@Dr.X.3 Nonsense. Go back to school! The crusades wanted to help the Christians you Idiot.
@@alexandermarkus9587 Lol. That's not a nonsense. That's your called Cognitive Dissonance.
@@Dr.X.3 Yes, that's nonsense!
But muslim dome actually church architecture too originally
The interesting thing for me was the uproar surrounding her comment that Notre Dame was based on a 5th century Christian Church in Syria that predated the advent of Islam. How that morphed into a so-called Islamophobic response is a great reason to read her book.
Nothing is islamophobic. Diana Darke is a self hating European trying to appease people like an SJW these days while denigrating her European ancestors as always. Nothing new to see her. She only wrote the book when the Notre Dame was on fire and she was furious when people called the gothic Cathedral was a symbol of French identity. See how she hates her own people.
As an arab I don't think they it is fair to call it stealing from us, like wise my people did kinda the same but from all of the nations they counqered they brought thr best and conbined them, that does not mean they did not invent and add their touch on but, as all the cultures existed everyone had to take from another to make ir greater( like the romans and greece)
dude she clearly explained why she called it " steal " !
Yup nations birth nations. 🇲🇦🇺🇸☪️ Peace
She call 'steal'...because the European especially the French, they completely ignorant and think this is the only their own invention...promotes as their so called 'pure european culture's... after the burning of Notre Dame, the dust of the glass window turned out to be have ingredients that originated from Syria...
They called us saracen from the word سارقين didn't you notice that , they claim that we steal it from them from the first beginning
To be honest... most of these "Islamic" designs were "inspired" by Christian, Roman designs... from the early century churches and temples. So nothing really is being copied from your people.
yes she is 100% right about this ALL Gothic Arechture are Islamic in its Origin Also all Gothic Castles in Europe used wood in most parts of it While in Middle East Gothic Castles or Origin of Gothic Castles Buildings in Middle East is made of Entire Stone and More Bigger
She didnt say that. She said there are significant influences from the Arab world. This doesnt mean that everything that has to do with gothic architecture is Arab. She just explains that we have to point out that the gothic architecture has such influences. This doesnt imply that "Arabs started everything" or anything like that. The same way that there are many characteristics of gothic architecture which are Arabic, there are also many characteristics which were born in the West. She says that we should be more open minded in order to see that culture is fluent and every culture inspires one another. The same could be said about Arabs, who in turn were inspired in many ways from older civilizations like ancient Greece.
@@stelios5314 greece is Fake civilization taken From Phoenician and Petra
the Gothic Arctecture is Arabic in Origine @@adamnesico
@@gorsian1979
liar.
Construction techniques and architecture aren’t the same.
Go to the Cordoba mosque, who has a cathedral inside.
You will see how different both are.
@@adamnesico Im not sure about what do you mean. Do you disagree with what I wrote?
Muslims ruled Spain (Andalucia) from 711 CE to 1492 CE
you can’t even look at Arabs 30 years ago only they didn’t know what shoes or houses are, even your mosques are stolen from Byzantine empire You people claimed that you gave Spain a civilisation ( because Spain already has a civilisation) and you can’t claim that you gave your own land Arabia peninsula or even Afghanistan a civilisation because there’s nothing to steal and claim
@@morriganbermejo4042
Read, study and view videos on history...especially Spain and Portugal
Suggestion to TRT: Report about Ugur Sahin and BioNVac (sold by Pfizer) Covid-19 vaccine.
I think its middle eastern architecture. Not Islamic Architecture. They just happen to be Muslim, at that time. Seeing how close their geo locations are, I am not surprised that they would trade with each other. After all, before Islam, Europe, Middle east and north Africa were One Nation. It was Islam that made havoc and aeperated themselves.
I would buy an ice cream to this lady !
Renovation work on Durham Cathedral apparently showed that Arabic artisans were involved with its construction.
Source?
@@charlesoflyon6578 durhamworld heritagesite for one. The fact that arabic workers where on site was in a documentary related to refurbishment work where arabic text was found. I forget the source but you can if interested research it yourself, I assure you I did not dream it up.
@@charlesoflyon6578 The word please would be rather nice when you request information. Manners maketh man.
Umm....you do realise the prime example of Mohammadan saracen mosques is modelled around the Hagia Sophia which originally was an Eastern Catholic Cathedral long before that Mohammad bloke was even born, right?
First of all, not all mosques inspired by Hagia Sophia, there is Arabian, Persian and other styles that used centuries before they knew Hagia Sophia. Second, from the Muslim culture side you can't say they steal anything simply because the other cultures influence is admitted and credited. It is only the Europeans who are imprisoned in their superiority illusions. France that now tries to give Muslims lesson in civilization, its capital paris was literally stinking till the barbaric crusaders civilized in Levant and went back with idea of bathing and public baths.
@@farishope6540 bro. They stole Hagia Sophia and modelled their mosques based on that Christian Cathedrals architecture. Til this day the Cathedral of Hagia Sophia remains stolen in Mohammadan hands.
@@timothyfreeman97 the hagia sophia was actually bought by the same sulton who concurred Istanbul. Even after taking Istanbul it didn't automatically placed in Muslim hand but rather was purchased by the sultan himself.
Educate yourself first before you speak.
Plus arguing that people "steal" building styles is stupid since every previous civilizations inspired the one coming after it. Saying the Muslims "stole" the christian architecture, is just like saying the byzantines "stole" from the pagan hellenics. People learn from each other.
@Timothy Freeman, Your ignorance is showing in your question. Brother, I would suggest you keep mum rather than displaying your lack of knowledge.
@@NL-tq1yr Purchased from who? Christians never sold it.
Moorish American🇲🇦🇺🇸☪️👑💪🏾 I'm the descendant of Moroccans and born in America. Peace and Love. People comes from people and nations give birth to nations. We are more than just Middle East as well, but Asiatic/Afroasiatic culture. Al Andalusia 🇲🇦 is now Spain and Portugal after the crusades when we lost our stronghold Granada in 1492
The Byzantines/Romans influenced Islamic culture. That's why many Mosques have the same architecture of the Hagia Sophia in Istanbul, which was formerly Constantinople.
morich are not morrocain lol
Lol your ancestors were not Moors , Moors were North African Caucasian
you can’t even look at Arabs 30 years ago only they didn’t know what shoes or houses are, even your mosques are stolen from Byzantine empire You people claimed that you gave Spain a civilisation ( because Spain already has a civilisation) and you can’t claim that you gave your own land Arabia peninsula or even Afghanistan a civilisation because there’s nothing to steal and claim
Most of architecture in europe fundamentaly can be tracés back to thé fertile cresent Middle east Babylon assyria persia Egypt israel
greeks we're thé gateway to europe in fact most of the fallen ancient empires were mentioned in various religious books thora Biblé quran
It is Tartarian architecture not whatever other b.s they are saying...
Tartarian = Saracean = MOORis
But “Islamic architecture” the term itself is wrong ..
There are contributions from the different people and give and take off different styles..that still going on ..
And more over Islam is not just confined to 6 the centuries Arab culture as per the Quranic revelations ..
It's Islam architecture because they banned picture that why you can find on it
@@moonshadowsong Never heard of icomoclasm?
archetect taken from petra jordan
NO! They are from Byzantine architecture!! The Greeks were building thousands of years before the Arabs!!
Before Islam, Europeans looked to Romans as a kind of superior beings, the only ones who once could build something beautiful that could last. Their world was the ruins of Roman civilization (not unlike we see films and games portraying a post-apocalyptic society surviving by scavenging our ruins).
Then Arabs and Vikings taught Europeans everything they know today.
I agree that its terrible that the famous mosque in Cordoba has been turned into a Catholic Church- but we have to remember that the Muslims have done exactly the same thing. Hagia Sofia in Constantinople/Istanbul was turned into a mosque by the Ottomans and was only turned into a museum in the 20th century by the secularist Atatürk. More recently, Erdogan is turning it back into a mosque.
Many of the Mosques not only turned into churches/synagogues but also turned into night clubs & event halls.
@@teaisfantastic7136 Very true 😆.
Muslims acquire the churches by paying for it, ala Hagia Sophia, the muslims turks have been paying upkeep and keeping it well maintained. None of your churches want to pay for it's upkeep hence the conversion to mosque. At least its being useful now.
While Christians forced convert, turned other worshipping sites to churches forcefully. Muslims bought and payed for the land and the church fair and square.
@@Mercnix101 Lol NO. There were funds set a side by the Christian orthodox council and patriarch to repair Hagia Sophia before Mehmet II walked in and declared the Cathedral was his! Stop twisting history here.
The Persian culture is far more underrated but they had in fact a significant impact on Christian and Islamic architecture. It’s so sad that we never hear about that. The Hagia Sophia is also a very old Byzantine church. Christianity is much older than Islam. And Syrians aren’t really Arabs either. I am so done with all these Arabophiles. That woman is probably married to an Arab. 😂 We don’t need to acknowledge anything. She looks so frustrated. She should better move to Saudi Arabia for awhile...or better stay there. 😆
Actually it's you who is looking frustrated.Get lost from here you Islamophobe
Probably you need to educate yourself about the difference between the Saracens and the Ottomans. Ignorance cannot be an excuse for disdain and haughtiness.
@@leevex2993 That difference doesn't matter when it comes to Islam. It's a b*ckwards r*lig*on anyway. Wasn't mister MO a pedop*le? ;-) LOL
She is just a typical salty cat lady.
Who have daddy issues
@@danziger9996 Dumbs are pleased with Danzinger999. Bigotry @ 69.
Saracen architecture is Byzantine Greek architecture
Nope, Islamic architecture is completely unique though it has influences from previous civilisations ( like the Greeks were influenced heavily by Egyptian and Babylonian architecture and the Romans vice verse) the architecture that the west has copied of Muslims is completely Islamic I.e the the pointed arch ( which is common in gothic architecture) and the minaret which is completely islamic
Not quite, but different.
As a Norwegian I should agree with you but no I don’t because if you have really studied the ancient civilizations you’d know that what the Greeks call Greek is actually taken from the Phoenicians, the ancient Egyptians and the Mesopotamians. Ever he of the Minoans? I bet you thought they were pure Greeks! Do your research and find out how the Phoenicians settled in Crete and gave us the name of our continent Europe from the Phoenician princess Eurp( Europa).
@@fjordhellas4077 tell me then one philosopher or poet or mathematician or doctor from Phoenice ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia
No its not
Ridiculous. She gives an example of 5th century pre-Islamic CHURCH as the inspiration for Notre Dam and then says Islamic architecture inspired gothic architecture 🙄
Yes finally!! It always said medieval and Muslim shined 800-1000 of science and art architecture so its called golden Islamic and not gothic or romanesque. Where late inspired from the golden time by muslims.
I loved the double irony
You act like the Arab world didn’t have huge influences from Europe either...
@@-xnnybimb-9398 I just said I loved the double irony & I’m not Arab
@@OsamaMoloy ok
@@-xnnybimb-9398 naming me something before your dark age, you brought to Arabs or Muslims
@@Dark-gd7ob Dark age came with the arabs.... franks are arabs.
So, see, how dumbfuck you are ? 🤣😂🤭
It’s been Islamic culture , you can lie but the truth reveals from it self and it’s time 💪🏻
Franks are arabs. And islam is just pedo slavery overall, nothing to be proud of, bacha bazi.
Cathedrals aren’t islamic.
This nothing new how the western countries love laris the west learn everything from the middle East and the Islamic cultures like or not
Islamic Architecture wouldn't have existed without Persian Architecture
It is NOT islamic. It is Persian.
Lie to yourself
you are not you , you are me
It is Islamic Perian. not pre-Islamic Persian. check out the difference in Iran itself.
It's basically Arabs taking credit for what they themselves couldn't create by calling it "Islamic" and of course Islamic automatically is interpreted as Arabic!
U wish
How christian orthodox architecture shaped the muslim world.
If Europeans stole the Arab architecture then why there's no Paris, Venice in the Arab countries
Your question doesn't make sense. This is about influence. There are so many elements in Gothic architecture that originally came from Andalusi architecture and Middle-Eastern architecture. I'm talking about elements and designs that Muslims invented or that were a heritage of the cultural history of these Muslims.
@@sultanabdulhaqiii1633 Every architecture type has some resemblances to other architectures. We won't know the birth of an architecture type completely.
Lmao
@@tomorrowland2684 Maybe, but when they moan for the collapse of Notre Dame and consider it the representation of their civilization they denied the other cultures influence
@@sultanabdulhaqiii1633 your issue is conflating Arab with Muslim, and thus many of the contributions to “Islamic” architecture are co-opted and Arab-washed; Domes, archways, minarets, courtyards, gardens, all co-opted from the ancient Persians and Mesopotamians for example
And the most elaborate mosques and “Islamic” monuments were built either by Turks or Persians throughout the Islamic world. Art forms such as miniatures, calligraphy, and etc also co-opted, even from Chinese influences
The Greek said "Gothic" if they thought something whas ugly.
Gothic is not a building Style 😮
go petra in jordan see origin of archect went to europe
"Islamic architecture"
Theres no such thing. Everything "Islamic" is appropriated from Persian and related regional civilisations usurped by Muslim conquest.
Lol. Learn some philosophy and find out why muslims call it islamic architecture
ALLEPO WAS BUILD BY THE ROMANS!
every things in the world origin from middleeast
Propaganda rubbish. Think you'll find there was architecture in Europe long before Islam, and if any 'stealing' occurred then the Hagia Sophia would be the best example of it.. Why would the muslims have bothered to convert it from a church to a mosque if it had been inferior to their own stuff?
Persians, Indians, Greeks and Romans introduced Mohammed's Arabian tent-dwellers to architecture. Not the other way round.
Whatever.. Our Creator is absolutely great.
Yes, and muslims went to the moon three centuries before the Americans.
...and they copied from the so called,Barbarians..?
Who's the real Barbarians..?
you can’t even look at Arabs 30 years ago only they didn’t know what shoes or houses are, even your mosques are stolen from Byzantine empire You people claimed that you gave Spain a civilisation ( because Spain already has a civilisation) and you can’t claim that you gave your own land Arabia peninsula or even Afghanistan a civilisation because there’s nothing to steal and claim
Of course it all ok for the Arab interviewer to equate Islamic culture with Arab culture and basically erasing the influence of non-Arabs in the process, Persians and Turks. But if Europeans do the same they cry tears! Without Persians there would've been no Islamic Architecture, period!
I'm Arab I acknowledge the Persians and Turks and others contributions in Islamic civilizations
Wrong
without Islam and Arabs, there is no Persian language, Persian alphabet, Persian culture, Persian architecture ... Persian architecture without Arab influence You will find it in Shiraz in the tomb of Cyrus, and the Persian culture today is Arabic, and the Persian language is Arabic words and Arabic letters. There is nothing Persian.
I know it's hard, but you have to deal with it and accept the loss 1400 years ago
AHAHHAA CNN AND FOX NEWS WONT BE HAPPY TO SEE THIS
Neither would the Islamic like to know where did the architecture of mosque come from. Byzantine churches.,
you can’t even look at Arabs 30 years ago only they didn’t know what shoes or houses are, even your mosques are stolen from Byzantine empire You people claimed that you gave Spain a civilisation ( because Spain already has a civilisation) and you can’t claim that you gave your own land Arabia peninsula or even Afghanistan a civilisation because there’s nothing to steal and claim
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
It's not a phobia if it has a reason. It's caution.
There's nothing without a reason, but there is misinformation that causes phobia when in reality there's nothing to fear.
@@yus3158 yeah do not fear b0mbings and beheeeadings
all architecture in Islamic world are inspired by the the Roman architecture, so you Mongol Turks don't play on the Islam card while you have thousands of mosques and zero prayers you never been muslim nor practicing Islam
math and archetrct all over the world are arabic