Honestly, I got the box of catachans yesterday and I gotta say they're mich better than the painted examples make them out to be, to be fair, a few of their faces look weird (a bit like rocky after his boxing match) but the rest are superb Bitz
Yeah GW have a lot of questionable paintjobs on their website that really don't sell the models. I thought the Custodian Guards were terrible models for a really long time 'cause of their paintjob on the store.
That paintjob on the GW site is over 20 years old. It was ok in 2000, just look at early 3rd edition army books and a lot of paintjobs look that bad, but it's definitely not ok now. Especially the chestnut ink in the muscle recesses... yick!
imo the catachan look alright, the issue is that the GW paintjob on the website is one of the worst of any of their display pieces i am NOT a good painter and my catachan look better then theirs do
@@s.k4713 The defiler is an excellent model. I'm surprised I rarely see it around kicking some a**. Im a loyal and proud guardsmen and sister, but I love my elder's defiler so much. The one time I played with his death guard I didnt hesitated to field it despite being only 750 pts per player (2v2, so 1500 each side).
@@s.k4713 I dont think it looks old either. Some old models like the eldar vehicles, Land Raider or Defiler just need very small updates like the Leman Russ got back in the day. They are iconic vehicles. But could survive with none for 10 years still and look just great.
Out of every single TH-camr I've seen that does paint jobs you are the most thorough and the most detailed and you also talk about it step by step and show your work. Keep it up !
This hit me right in the "childhood" I used to play eldar and my friend played catachans, to see these upgraded almost 20 years on is fantastic. Great work!
I just bought a box of catachan fighters this week! I fell in love with their Derpy faces, so I knew I had to integrate them into my custom Warhammer setting. I wasn’t planning on including the Militarium, but the idea of these commandos trekking through the titanic forests of Sagittarius II was too cool to pass up. That’s why I’m here actually! I wanna get some ideas on how to go about customizing them for the setting! I’m gonna be retrofitting their jungle attire to be more like scrap/junked Guardsman armor. I’m gonna be splitting them into 4 unified micro-factions; though they’ll all be on the same side, their attire and personalities will be different. Some will get a blood red paint job, some will get a neon blue paint job, some will get a forest paint job, and some will get more serious military paint jobs. Idk why I’m really telling all this, I think I’m just excited! Anyways, I’ll be using this video as a guide! So thank you! :)
Nice Paintjob for the Catachan. The funny thing when comparing Space Marines and Astra Militarum is. While their is one modelrange for all Marines, each chapter is restricted to basicly 4 Battlecompanies in the lore (+Veterans, Reserve and Scout Companies) while with Astra Militarum we have (or had) so many Modelranges and each Range could have thousands of armies. Astra Militarum is way more lorefrendly when creating your own army.
3:55 Correction: _Casting_ has come a long way. The sculptors were kind of restricted by the limitations of spin-casting metal. If it won't cast cheap and easy, it's a non-starter even if it looks great.
The old IG metals are really cool. I almost bought a lot of Valhallan's a few years back, but they were expensive. They had everything though, all of the heavy weapons teams, etc. If you look out on eBay, you often find bundles of the metal stuff.
Me: *smiling, taking notes to use for use on my SPQR Gaul army. Jay: . . . not some dumb historical. Me: . . . . now how's that supposed to make me feel.
The old catachan parts are a great source of bits for mutants. Their oversized muscles, strange proportions and awkward poses suit some misshapen renegades better than they do humans.
I love the metals, they have proper deltoid and traps definition. They look proper muscular, where as the plastic guys just look a little inflated, no traps, odd proportions and a horrible arm/shoulder seam. They could have had the glue joint be where the arm meets the clothing of the tank top, but instead it's right on the flesh of the shoulder... I'd green stuff fix the issue if it was just one mini and not the entire horde.
Catachans we’re my first army when I was a kid. Still love them. I can’t believe the metal sniper sculpts are still in production. I still have a box of the last chancers. This inspires me to bust them out for sure.
Fun story: I started collecting miniatures when i was 12 or so. I never got to go in person to the gamestore, and a friend would get them for me. Looking back i think he stole them for me, and used my cash for whatever he wanted. I painted for a few years, but felt like it was "too nerdy", so i stopped. Anyways, I started up an imperial guard army sometime around 2003 (got back from fighting in Iraq and had some extra cash). Well needless to say, that didnt hold my attention long then either, and I gave up after getting some paint on a few models. I've carted them around since then, moving about 20 times. I just pulled them out to go through them last night, and look who had the same models. Thank you for doing this as i am going to be taking on them soon.
I really enjoyed watching this and seeing the potential. Been looking at my LOTR metal figs from 20 years ago and wondering how some of them will shake out when I apply my new paint skills to them.
Apart from the fact that they don't always fit together well, I like the way the Catachan kit uses weapons. It gives more freedom on how to build the model, means you can use the weapons as decoration, and makes it easier to kitbash alternative loadouts. The worst thing about the Jungle Fighters kit is that dome of the right arms are completely flat on the inside of the upper arm. (The other Catachan kits don't have this problem). My technique for painting them is: 1: optional Bugman's basecoat (depending on what colour I primed them). 2: basecoat in a flesh colour (Cadian or Kislev). 3: glaze with Reikland Flesh Shade. 4: repeat step 3 depending on how dark I want the skin colour. 5: layer or drybrush with flesh colour. Depending on how many coats of wash you use, and what combination of Cadian and Kislev you use, that gives a good range of white, tanned, or brown skin colours. For darker skin, I use the same basic method but using Agrax wash and varying combinations of Catachan Flesh, Mournfang, and Bugman's.
I'd have painted the gun handle and butt a dark brown to give it some contrast on the gun and make it more in line with the modern look from Rambo/Predator/etc. And at least gotta try the eyes.
I like that you show an interest in the original metal figures Jay. Each metal fig has is a joy for me to paint. Soon, they'll be unobtainum. Also, your paint jobs are terrific, I dig them (especially your Malifaux figs) but...few gun finishes are just a silver metalic with highlights. There are many awesome colors to paint a future gun, dark green composite stock for example, blued barrels, or gray barrel, etc....jmo. Great vid, can't wait to see your Catachan Kill Team complete. 👍
Personally I think the older sprues GW still sell are some of the better ones. Maybe nostalgia, maybe just not being interested in the busier designs of new models, but I think they're all great. They're charming.
Those GW-painted photos may look ridiculous now, but I remember when they first came out - and we were all "What the heck is this goofiness?" then too. I never got any of them - the one time I was in a Guard mood, I repainted my old Escher gang as the command team of a Xenonia regiment, but just for display, they never had an army to go with them - but those were the days of plastic minis suddenly being awesome poseable multi-part kits like the 3rd edition Marines, rather than boring low-detail junk compared to the metal minis as they'd been earlier, so it's nice to see even this lesser example get some love, and turn out looking pretty respectable after all.
Don't forget Wargames Atlantic, who are personally reviving multiple defunct Guard regiments in glorious, cheap plastic. For when you _actually_ want to field tons of troops, but don't have a 3d printer and don't want to bankrupt yourself on pre-made resin minis. Between their dedicated "Death Fields" kits, their various historical kits, and the "Death Fields weapon sprue", there are a wide range of armies you could field using _just_ WA's products. (Though you only sometimes get army-appropriate parts for commanders and the like, so you might still need to source these from Anvil or Victoria; unless it's the "Les Grognards", in which case the Heavy Weapons & Support kit has you covered).
I have loads of these. I painted them as a penal legion with orange pants and white T-shirts. Each squad as a old lead guardsman in a greatcoat painted as a Sergeant / Prison Guard
I admit, if I hadn't already had a number of Cadians.... my Guard army would have been Catachans, given their big influence was Vietnam-era US Marines... And being a Marine veteran myself, well.... not much of a stretch as to why. :P
Lovely paint job! I've always like the Catachan but agree the models do need an update. It would be great to get another video if you do get more or do that kill team.
the grenade launcher is a rare example of GW doing female sculpts for armies other than Eldar and SoB. In reality, they should have male and female options for all their guard kits.
Plenty of female minatures, if you want female options the cost of the minatures would double you'd need female torso and heads and legs and arms options basically double the amount. Also if they made the sets a 50/50 split some players might not want half their soldiers to be female as some people ground their forces in real world where the vast majority of soldier are men .
@@WarlanderTV stop being a pedantic drone. Obviously non-human alien races you can just say they're female or whatever the hell you want. Also I wasnt referring to AOS/WFB I was talking about 40k specifically.
@@Flamethrower1942 Not saying 50/50. The newest Blackstone Fortress kit has some female cultists in, 3 I think out of around 10 models. I think thats a fair representation. All I'm saying is they should include at least SOME options. Jeez.
@@Renegade666 Why though? Why do modern young people today obsessed with representation in fantasy settings? Yes real world representation fair enough, but why on earth do people want to be represented in a dark grim world nobody can identify with, it's a fantasy world that's has 30plus years of lore etc . Whom is playing a nightlords army and saying you know what I'd really be immersed into these nasty sadistic guys more if some of these miniatures were female, or I know I love of bit of fascism I'd be all up for the Imperium of man, if it became the Imperium of people ✊. Plenty of woman are happy with the hobby as it is that are already into the setting. There are female whole armies in the lore so dose that mean we can have male sisters of battle too for representation fairness.
The Catachans are a big part in the Indomitus Crusade story with Guilliman stopping at Catachan to grab Strakken and a bunch of Jungle Fighter Regiments after they had beaten back a chaos incursion. The Catachan command box and Heavy weapons teams aren't bad. The base infantry box definitely needs an update and a Catachan Devils Killteam box would be an awesome addition to the line. Until GW gives the Floristralians...Errr Catachans some love, I am going to stick with 3rd party like Reptilian Overlords Spacenam and Anvil Industries bits to field my jungle fighters...Until that is, I get this sculpting thing mastered and make my own stls lol Great work on the classic minis. very much an improvement
I know this is an old vid..but in case anyone needs to know the style the skin is painted in the gw pics is a specific style that has been used deliberately in historicals for years to emphasize physical proportions when grouped. The idea was it made for more visual interest on table rather than close up
They need to do with the Guard what they did with Space marines - Come up with a generic 'base form' (Cadians), and then make 'upgrade packs' like they do with the various unique chapter bits for Primaris. This way, they'll have a 'core range' that can cover everything, but they can do the add-on stuff much more cheaply, with upgrades rather than full kits (apart from the occasional special character or whatever).
They hold up much better when combined woth other kits. I'm kitbashing them with Cadian and Necromunda bits to make a Necromunda 8th army and I'm really happy with the results.
Cadians weren't always Starship Trooper ripoffs, the metal ones were Colonial Marine ripoffs. I do hope GW comes out with 2 or 3 modular kits that can build several regiments of the Guard.
Love them old sculpts. Wish I could buy one of those old 20 model boxes and have a relaxing evening of assembling but there is so much other stuff to buy and paint :P
They both do look pretty decent, I think the biggest problem with them on the webstore is the awful clogged up paint style that's been done to them. A bad paint job can make a miniature look really badly sculpted (see nearly every infantry units paint job on forgeworlds store). But yes a bad sculpt can absolutely be fixed with a paint job. That being said i'm not sure this is exactly what I would describe as fixing something with paint, using glazes and contrast paints kind of lets the mini paint itself (sort of) so its actually the sculpt doing a lot of the work, not the paint, but I do think a more minimal paint job works a lot better than what GW did, I can only assume they used a hose pipe to apply it. It would be really cool to see how far you could push yourself painting up a Catachan though adding details with paint to improve the miniature itself. Also yeah they don't have the prettiest faces but they do live on a death world so with all those poisonous man eating insects, plants, animals and probably swimming knives on Catachan you likely consider yourself lucky if you've still got a nose and ears.
Honestly I think it’s mostly the paint job on the box that makes them seem drpee but once you give them a good proper paint job like this they look really nice
I think they came out nice. Personally, I've never been that big of a fan for Catachan; Rambo and Vasquez don't do it for me, and the same anachronistic look of them, next to other factions of the 41st millennium, just aggravates me, much like the Atillan Rough Riders. I've always preferred Cadians, but I assume since Catachan are more popular, since their rules often seem better, they'll stick around. It's a shame GW doesn't really support kit bashes and custom minis, anymore, because they could really have some diversity. Oh well.
Good! I'd always tought that with a good paint job also a not exceptional mini can be saved, and this clip show it well. I never bought these minis, too cartoonish for me, as others from GW, but your painting was really astounding. Why don't try some conversion with newer models such as these from Stargrave or W. Atlantic?
Catachans are awesome -- look at thename generator in the 2019 kill team, it's stuff like "snake eyes" and sh*t, please do show us your kill team and let it have a missile launcher and melta-gun just like that hapless squad eaten by a lictor in the 2nd edition tyranids codex! Also great video and an interesting lesson in how more contrast is *not* necessarily a good thing after all, thanks a lot
Fantastic paint job. Rumours are out that GW is starting to refresh IG troop lines. First Krieg, now it sounds like they are going to put out new Kasrkin models.
1:10 - and yet they get 'upgrade sprues' of physical bits for each Loyalist Founding Legion, GW didn't even make it so that the Krieg kit could be easily used for Valhallan, Armageddon and Vostroyan regiments. And the "you can always use third party bits" is a cop-out as that forbids you from using them at most official events. Part of the high cost of the figures is the ability to use them at stores, tournaments, etc.
I recently started Catachan and after thinking about it, I suspect that GW only keeps them around because they're a predominantly plastic range while all the culled regiments were metal.
I like old minis there's a charm to them that sometimes is missing in modern ones. I think the main issues is GW kind of not letting you know these are old casts on the site.
Just a note on Cadian Shock Troopers, they have been around longer than the film Starship Troopers. I’m pretty sure the metal range came out in 1993/94! Who copied who eh?
A big issue with the Catachan models is most people don't understand how to pose modular minis. They make the absolute goofiest poses ever and for some reason aren't bothered by it.
They do look awesome! The sculpts are pleasing after all... next up: AoS Bullgors! Take the old 'kebab meat' PJ off the Bullgors... I've seen some PJs which make them look really nice too. But that female Catachan... she's really good!
Bought myself a box of 15 Space Wolves that came in this box. Models might have janky poses and their proportions are a little bit wack, but in terms of chapter identity and customizability they blow all modern kits out of the water.
The Catachans redesign is long overdue and I think GW needs to either end modularity for guard, or embrace it. And it's probably just easier for new Catachans to be closer in "modularity" to the new Kreig. Maybe a few optional torso-legs to allow for some female troopers but I think mostly one set of bodies is going to fix some of the Catachans issues because they simply won't need as much bulk to be easier to build that way. New Catachans need to be a bit less muscular overall I think since right now they still somehow look too big after years of scale creep, and it'd be fun if they had their lasguns redesigned to look a bit more like M16A1s. Just a pity GW hasn't given the guard a special weapon option for a heavy stubber to be an M60 :( I feel like a Guard redo should have at least the Veteran squads able to be 5-10, and have options to run it with 2 special weapons or 1 special and 1 heavy for the most part. And have a special weapon heavy stubber, and the heavy weapon one a twin mounted version, so you can have the Kriegers get their stubbers again as well as have options for interesting new looking versions of it. Like the Catachan M60!Stubber, a Mordian MG42!Stubber, a Praetorian Maxim!Stubber, etc. But yeah - Catachans need a full revamp. Cadians were fine with their upgrade sprue, but the Catachans are by now some of the oldest plastics in general sale. I think only a few Tyranids and the Khorne Berserkers are of older or similar vintage without even an upgrade sprue to their name now the Eldar Guardians got a glow-up. And then maybe GW can start making some kits for guard that can represent multiple non cadian regiments. Like Armageddon/Tallarn, Mordians/Praetorians, etc.
Wargames Atlantic does guard better then GW hands down. You get a lot more troops in a box that cost less, and they compressed the Command and Heavy Weapon Team boxes into one flexible kit. Their ranges are cost effective and ever expanding. (Their free shipping bar is competitively low at $50usd)
I own thousands of Games Workshop 40k Catachan Soldiers Metal and Plastic and some recast. To make up a Female Company I had to Buy from Victoria Miniatures and some APCs and lots of Scrappers bags. I have lots of Support Armour Different Variants Of Leman Russ MBTs, lots of flamer tanks, Devil Dogs, Artillery, lots of custom support vehicles with ammo carriers, a convoy of a Royal Imperial Army Ordnance Company, a section of rough riders, not horses but Cold ones from a Dark Elf set, a Dozen of Imperial Knights, a large air wing and other units I have converted from kits, etc. I don't play the game but I love painting and converting kits, be collecting Catachan since the early 90s, I got codexs, mags, lots of ForgeWorld books, and lots of rare and one-off books, and a few with the autograph of the author, I have a major problem, I'm a disabled Army veteran as I live out of a wheelchair as I got very stuffed up back in 2008-2009 in Afghanistan, but modeling helps, and lots of people have helped me over the year, my military family, a game shop here in Australia hall of heroes, and lots of others especially Victoria Lamb a great soul. Cheers all, Bob.
Everything looks great, especially the skin. I think once you get some eyes painted you can really call them done. I am not a fan of the all metal guns.
I had never heard of the Macabian Janissaries but man, if GW released a kit for that I would probably kiss my wallet goodbye, I love the way that art looks!
Honestly, I got the box of catachans yesterday and I gotta say they're mich better than the painted examples make them out to be, to be fair, a few of their faces look weird (a bit like rocky after his boxing match) but the rest are superb Bitz
Yeah GW have a lot of questionable paintjobs on their website that really don't sell the models. I thought the Custodian Guards were terrible models for a really long time 'cause of their paintjob on the store.
That paintjob on the GW site is over 20 years old. It was ok in 2000, just look at early 3rd edition army books and a lot of paintjobs look that bad, but it's definitely not ok now. Especially the chestnut ink in the muscle recesses... yick!
yeah totally i got a pack of tyrannic war vets a while ago and they look way better than the pics on the webstore
Questionable paint jobs in their site is especially true for the Lotr minis
I know someone who's painted all his Catachans as Apollo Creed for the same reason!
imo the catachan look alright, the issue is that the GW paintjob on the website is one of the worst of any of their display pieces
i am NOT a good painter and my catachan look better then theirs do
same here. Don't know why they haven't updated the photo at least
Seems to be the same case with the ol chaos crab defiler. Seems like a pretty good model with a really bad box paintjob.
@@s.k4713 The defiler is an excellent model. I'm surprised I rarely see it around kicking some a**. Im a loyal and proud guardsmen and sister, but I love my elder's defiler so much. The one time I played with his death guard I didnt hesitated to field it despite being only 750 pts per player (2v2, so 1500 each side).
@@guillercuastico i really like the defilers design and will probably be getting one for my death guard. Its old but gold.
@@s.k4713 I dont think it looks old either. Some old models like the eldar vehicles, Land Raider or Defiler just need very small updates like the Leman Russ got back in the day. They are iconic vehicles. But could survive with none for 10 years still and look just great.
I feel sometimes models just need a good painter for their display image since some of those models are actually pretty good
Out of every single TH-camr I've seen that does paint jobs you are the most thorough and the most detailed and you also talk about it step by step and show your work. Keep it up !
Amen! 👍
I love how he really dials into the minis, and gives new love to old models. ✨
I like the fact that each of the human factions all represent a different country in some way in terms of aesthetic
There are no differences between countries and/or cultures
The g.a.e will make sure of this
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@@BehappyBhairava …What?
@@gameworkshop2707 Bro, some people just are broken…
@gameworkshop2707 he's trying to be like "oh I'm just joking" but also "wake up sheeple" cuz he has no conviction
I'm surprised gw didn't keep praetorians tbh cos they're british
I always get a real Small Soldiers vibe from these old Catachans
Classic movie, loved it as a kid
This hit me right in the "childhood" I used to play eldar and my friend played catachans, to see these upgraded almost 20 years on is fantastic. Great work!
That skin technique is incredible. Ive lost all my catachans somehow :(
Then their camo is working.
I just bought a box of catachan fighters this week! I fell in love with their Derpy faces, so I knew I had to integrate them into my custom Warhammer setting. I wasn’t planning on including the Militarium, but the idea of these commandos trekking through the titanic forests of Sagittarius II was too cool to pass up.
That’s why I’m here actually! I wanna get some ideas on how to go about customizing them for the setting! I’m gonna be retrofitting their jungle attire to be more like scrap/junked Guardsman armor.
I’m gonna be splitting them into 4 unified micro-factions; though they’ll all be on the same side, their attire and personalities will be different. Some will get a blood red paint job, some will get a neon blue paint job, some will get a forest paint job, and some will get more serious military paint jobs.
Idk why I’m really telling all this, I think I’m just excited! Anyways, I’ll be using this video as a guide! So thank you! :)
Nice Paintjob for the Catachan.
The funny thing when comparing Space Marines and Astra Militarum is. While their is one modelrange for all Marines, each chapter is restricted to basicly 4 Battlecompanies in the lore (+Veterans, Reserve and Scout Companies) while with Astra Militarum we have (or had) so many Modelranges and each Range could have thousands of armies.
Astra Militarum is way more lorefrendly when creating your own army.
3:55 Correction: _Casting_ has come a long way. The sculptors were kind of restricted by the limitations of spin-casting metal. If it won't cast cheap and easy, it's a non-starter even if it looks great.
The old IG metals are really cool. I almost bought a lot of Valhallan's a few years back, but they were expensive. They had everything though, all of the heavy weapons teams, etc. If you look out on eBay, you often find bundles of the metal stuff.
Im trying to do the same but with the Armaggedon Steel Legion. lovely models for a perfect Veteran guardsmen Kill team.
Hey I was gonna do something similar
Me: *smiling, taking notes to use for use on my SPQR Gaul army.
Jay: . . . not some dumb historical.
Me: . . . . now how's that supposed to make me feel.
Ah thus is jays bias against historicals. Have fun recreating the ancient battles of our very own world.
As a player who does both historical and Warhammer, I now hate Jay.
JK, I just like him a bit less
The old catachan parts are a great source of bits for mutants. Their oversized muscles, strange proportions and awkward poses suit some misshapen renegades better than they do humans.
I love the metals, they have proper deltoid and traps definition. They look proper muscular, where as the plastic guys just look a little inflated, no traps, odd proportions and a horrible arm/shoulder seam. They could have had the glue joint be where the arm meets the clothing of the tank top, but instead it's right on the flesh of the shoulder... I'd green stuff fix the issue if it was just one mini and not the entire horde.
The metal Catachan snipers were the first models I painted and when I started. Ah memories
the jungle fighters i got from hardcore miniatures are a great substitute catachan. and you get terry crews as a radioman
I LOVE the old metal model, and I would love to see a video where you tackle on a squad of this specific metal range ! great video as always !
A good paint job like this can make old models look great!
... or maybe I am just biased because I love 80's action films!
These came out great!
I see Rambo Plissken of The Bug Stompers, ready to endanger some species 👍😁
Catachans we’re my first army when I was a kid. Still love them. I can’t believe the metal sniper sculpts are still in production. I still have a box of the last chancers. This inspires me to bust them out for sure.
Turd well polished. Good job, Jay!
Fun story:
I started collecting miniatures when i was 12 or so. I never got to go in person to the gamestore, and a friend would get them for me. Looking back i think he stole them for me, and used my cash for whatever he wanted. I painted for a few years, but felt like it was "too nerdy", so i stopped.
Anyways, I started up an imperial guard army sometime around 2003 (got back from fighting in Iraq and had some extra cash). Well needless to say, that didnt hold my attention long then either, and I gave up after getting some paint on a few models. I've carted them around since then, moving about 20 times.
I just pulled them out to go through them last night, and look who had the same models. Thank you for doing this as i am going to be taking on them soon.
Maybe it's time to do a full from-scratch repaint - and a before and after photo?
I can’t say I’m a fan of Warhammer, but there’s some serious talent and hard work on display here!
I really enjoyed watching this and seeing the potential. Been looking at my LOTR metal figs from 20 years ago and wondering how some of them will shake out when I apply my new paint skills to them.
I now have a template to go off of. First time in 40K, chose Catachan well because they look cool and I like the lore a lot. Thanks for the video!
Apart from the fact that they don't always fit together well, I like the way the Catachan kit uses weapons. It gives more freedom on how to build the model, means you can use the weapons as decoration, and makes it easier to kitbash alternative loadouts.
The worst thing about the Jungle Fighters kit is that dome of the right arms are completely flat on the inside of the upper arm. (The other Catachan kits don't have this problem).
My technique for painting them is:
1: optional Bugman's basecoat (depending on what colour I primed them).
2: basecoat in a flesh colour (Cadian or Kislev).
3: glaze with Reikland Flesh Shade.
4: repeat step 3 depending on how dark I want the skin colour.
5: layer or drybrush with flesh colour.
Depending on how many coats of wash you use, and what combination of Cadian and Kislev you use, that gives a good range of white, tanned, or brown skin colours. For darker skin, I use the same basic method but using Agrax wash and varying combinations of Catachan Flesh, Mournfang, and Bugman's.
I'd have painted the gun handle and butt a dark brown to give it some contrast on the gun and make it more in line with the modern look from Rambo/Predator/etc. And at least gotta try the eyes.
Sweet vid. I was thinking of getting some jungle fighters.
I like that you show an interest in the original metal figures Jay. Each metal fig has is a joy for me to paint. Soon, they'll be unobtainum.
Also, your paint jobs are terrific, I dig them (especially your Malifaux figs) but...few gun finishes are just a silver metalic with highlights. There are many awesome colors to paint a future gun, dark green composite stock for example, blued barrels, or gray barrel, etc....jmo. Great vid, can't wait to see your Catachan Kill Team complete. 👍
Personally I think the older sprues GW still sell are some of the better ones. Maybe nostalgia, maybe just not being interested in the busier designs of new models, but I think they're all great. They're charming.
Those GW-painted photos may look ridiculous now, but I remember when they first came out - and we were all "What the heck is this goofiness?" then too. I never got any of them - the one time I was in a Guard mood, I repainted my old Escher gang as the command team of a Xenonia regiment, but just for display, they never had an army to go with them - but those were the days of plastic minis suddenly being awesome poseable multi-part kits like the 3rd edition Marines, rather than boring low-detail junk compared to the metal minis as they'd been earlier, so it's nice to see even this lesser example get some love, and turn out looking pretty respectable after all.
Don't forget Wargames Atlantic, who are personally reviving multiple defunct Guard regiments in glorious, cheap plastic. For when you _actually_ want to field tons of troops, but don't have a 3d printer and don't want to bankrupt yourself on pre-made resin minis. Between their dedicated "Death Fields" kits, their various historical kits, and the "Death Fields weapon sprue", there are a wide range of armies you could field using _just_ WA's products. (Though you only sometimes get army-appropriate parts for commanders and the like, so you might still need to source these from Anvil or Victoria; unless it's the "Les Grognards", in which case the Heavy Weapons & Support kit has you covered).
You did awesome they look so much better than the official website paint job.
Damn dude. Tryin real hard not to fall in love with basic guardsmen at this point. So many badass options.
I like your paint work on these models. I prefer the plastics over the metals. I have a single box from 2001.
I have loads of these. I painted them as a penal legion with orange pants and white T-shirts. Each squad as a old lead guardsman in a greatcoat painted as a Sergeant / Prison Guard
Zenethal and contrast paints are for real the most satisfying way to paint
I admit, if I hadn't already had a number of Cadians.... my Guard army would have been Catachans, given their big influence was Vietnam-era US Marines... And being a Marine veteran myself, well.... not much of a stretch as to why. :P
Semper Fi! Rah!
This is soo good almost mesmerized
Lovely paint job! I've always like the Catachan but agree the models do need an update. It would be great to get another video if you do get more or do that kill team.
Catachans, my First Army
the grenade launcher is a rare example of GW doing female sculpts for armies other than Eldar and SoB.
In reality, they should have male and female options for all their guard kits.
You forgot Tyranids, Tau, Necrons, and a ton of WHFB. Your assumptions lack history.
Plenty of female minatures, if you want female options the cost of the minatures would double you'd need female torso and heads and legs and arms options basically double the amount.
Also if they made the sets a 50/50 split some players might not want half their soldiers to be female as some people ground their forces in real world where the vast majority of soldier are men .
@@WarlanderTV stop being a pedantic drone. Obviously non-human alien races you can just say they're female or whatever the hell you want. Also I wasnt referring to AOS/WFB I was talking about 40k specifically.
@@Flamethrower1942 Not saying 50/50.
The newest Blackstone Fortress kit has some female cultists in, 3 I think out of around 10 models. I think thats a fair representation.
All I'm saying is they should include at least SOME options. Jeez.
@@Renegade666 Why though? Why do modern young people today obsessed with representation in fantasy settings?
Yes real world representation fair enough, but why on earth do people want to be represented in a dark grim world nobody can identify with, it's a fantasy world that's has 30plus years of lore etc .
Whom is playing a nightlords army and saying you know what I'd really be immersed into these nasty sadistic guys more if some of these miniatures were female, or I know I love of bit of fascism I'd be all up for the Imperium of man, if it became the Imperium of people ✊.
Plenty of woman are happy with the hobby as it is that are already into the setting.
There are female whole armies in the lore so dose that mean we can have male sisters of battle too for representation fairness.
The Catachans are a big part in the Indomitus Crusade story with Guilliman stopping at Catachan to grab Strakken and a bunch of Jungle Fighter Regiments after they had beaten back a chaos incursion. The Catachan command box and Heavy weapons teams aren't bad. The base infantry box definitely needs an update and a Catachan Devils Killteam box would be an awesome addition to the line. Until GW gives the Floristralians...Errr Catachans some love, I am going to stick with 3rd party like Reptilian Overlords Spacenam and Anvil Industries bits to field my jungle fighters...Until that is, I get this sculpting thing mastered and make my own stls lol
Great work on the classic minis. very much an improvement
I will always love those chunky catachan sculpts
Nice work! I feel this way about the Bullgors, the paint job really doesn't help the sculpts...
as an Australian i can confirm that this is what it is like in Australia
I know this is an old vid..but in case anyone needs to know the style the skin is painted in the gw pics is a specific style that has been used deliberately in historicals for years to emphasize physical proportions when grouped. The idea was it made for more visual interest on table rather than close up
this kit is brilliant
They need to do with the Guard what they did with Space marines - Come up with a generic 'base form' (Cadians), and then make 'upgrade packs' like they do with the various unique chapter bits for Primaris.
This way, they'll have a 'core range' that can cover everything, but they can do the add-on stuff much more cheaply, with upgrades rather than full kits (apart from the occasional special character or whatever).
How man times do I have to teach you this lesson old man!!! Paint some commissars!
I don’t know, but I love these guys!!!!
I still miss all the other regiments, but thankfully you are right, the 3rd party manufacturers took out up our banner.
Horrors long forgotten = obsolete plastic toys. I love the hyperbole!
These look amazing!
when he zooms in into the first catachan in the image and puts a screaming sound makes me laugh
They hold up much better when combined woth other kits. I'm kitbashing them with Cadian and Necromunda bits to make a Necromunda 8th army and I'm really happy with the results.
Cadians weren't always Starship Trooper ripoffs, the metal ones were Colonial Marine ripoffs.
I do hope GW comes out with 2 or 3 modular kits that can build several regiments of the Guard.
You can actually do quite a lot with nothing more than a different head & colour scheme.
I'm a simple guy, every time that face and stock scream appeared, I laughed. Also that was a great paint job!
They look awesome!! I love Catachans!!
this is gonna be an all-timer warhammer vid
DUDE your painting is always so inspiring!!!
Love them old sculpts. Wish I could buy one of those old 20 model boxes and have a relaxing evening of assembling but there is so much other stuff to buy and paint :P
They both do look pretty decent, I think the biggest problem with them on the webstore is the awful clogged up paint style that's been done to them. A bad paint job can make a miniature look really badly sculpted (see nearly every infantry units paint job on forgeworlds store). But yes a bad sculpt can absolutely be fixed with a paint job. That being said i'm not sure this is exactly what I would describe as fixing something with paint, using glazes and contrast paints kind of lets the mini paint itself (sort of) so its actually the sculpt doing a lot of the work, not the paint, but I do think a more minimal paint job works a lot better than what GW did, I can only assume they used a hose pipe to apply it. It would be really cool to see how far you could push yourself painting up a Catachan though adding details with paint to improve the miniature itself. Also yeah they don't have the prettiest faces but they do live on a death world so with all those poisonous man eating insects, plants, animals and probably swimming knives on Catachan you likely consider yourself lucky if you've still got a nose and ears.
I love episodes of “Jay paints a thing”!
Looking amazing buddy
Honestly I think it’s mostly the paint job on the box that makes them seem drpee but once you give them a good proper paint job like this they look really nice
Man those sudden endings still give me whiplash lol
Now I agree with some of your points I gotta ask how hard is it to remove the handle of a language it's on cut that's reaching a bit
Lol I love how the white box is old mobiles when 1/2 of a night haunt armies come in 3 labels boxes.
I think they came out nice. Personally, I've never been that big of a fan for Catachan; Rambo and Vasquez don't do it for me, and the same anachronistic look of them, next to other factions of the 41st millennium, just aggravates me, much like the Atillan Rough Riders. I've always preferred Cadians, but I assume since Catachan are more popular, since their rules often seem better, they'll stick around. It's a shame GW doesn't really support kit bashes and custom minis, anymore, because they could really have some diversity. Oh well.
Good! I'd always tought that with a good paint job also a not exceptional mini can be saved, and this clip show it well. I never bought these minis, too cartoonish for me, as others from GW, but your painting was really astounding. Why don't try some conversion with newer models such as these from Stargrave or W. Atlantic?
This video, more than any other, made me realise I should just suck it up and buy the damn air brush. V. enjoyable watch!
Start with a rechargeable portable airbrush! That's what I'm learning on and it makes jumping in a little more palatable.
Catachans are awesome -- look at thename generator in the 2019 kill team, it's stuff like "snake eyes" and sh*t, please do show us your kill team and let it have a missile launcher and melta-gun just like that hapless squad eaten by a lictor in the 2nd edition tyranids codex!
Also great video and an interesting lesson in how more contrast is *not* necessarily a good thing after all, thanks a lot
Truly a challenge...they were cool when they came out....just the concept rocked.... think Platoon... 👍 Well, a good job!
Fantastic paint job. Rumours are out that GW is starting to refresh IG troop lines. First Krieg, now it sounds like they are going to put out new Kasrkin models.
1:10 - and yet they get 'upgrade sprues' of physical bits for each Loyalist Founding Legion, GW didn't even make it so that the Krieg kit could be easily used for Valhallan, Armageddon and Vostroyan regiments.
And the "you can always use third party bits" is a cop-out as that forbids you from using them at most official events. Part of the high cost of the figures is the ability to use them at stores, tournaments, etc.
I recently started Catachan and after thinking about it, I suspect that GW only keeps them around because they're a predominantly plastic range while all the culled regiments were metal.
you forgot that Sly Marbo is standing above audrey 2 from little shop of horrors
The Catachan paint job by GW is so unbelievably funny.
Im still happy that I have my old original Pretorian Models
I like old minis there's a charm to them that sometimes is missing in modern ones. I think the main issues is GW kind of not letting you know these are old casts on the site.
Just a note on Cadian Shock Troopers, they have been around longer than the film Starship Troopers. I’m pretty sure the metal range came out in 1993/94! Who copied who eh?
The book came out in '59
@@jasonmolenaar119 hence I said the film!
A big issue with the Catachan models is most people don't understand how to pose modular minis. They make the absolute goofiest poses ever and for some reason aren't bothered by it.
I'm really annoyed that those characters were both limited edition and came out during the pandemic to make them doubly hard to get
Those screams cracked me up every time xD
Nice job mate - definitely an improvement on the GW originals 😂
I love how they came out!
They do look awesome! The sculpts are pleasing after all... next up: AoS Bullgors!
Take the old 'kebab meat' PJ off the Bullgors... I've seen some PJs which make them look really nice too.
But that female Catachan... she's really good!
Bought myself a box of 15 Space Wolves that came in this box. Models might have janky poses and their proportions are a little bit wack, but in terms of chapter identity and customizability they blow all modern kits out of the water.
Definitely not enough views for this man. Such a great video format with really good pacing.
The Catachans redesign is long overdue and I think GW needs to either end modularity for guard, or embrace it. And it's probably just easier for new Catachans to be closer in "modularity" to the new Kreig. Maybe a few optional torso-legs to allow for some female troopers but I think mostly one set of bodies is going to fix some of the Catachans issues because they simply won't need as much bulk to be easier to build that way.
New Catachans need to be a bit less muscular overall I think since right now they still somehow look too big after years of scale creep, and it'd be fun if they had their lasguns redesigned to look a bit more like M16A1s. Just a pity GW hasn't given the guard a special weapon option for a heavy stubber to be an M60 :(
I feel like a Guard redo should have at least the Veteran squads able to be 5-10, and have options to run it with 2 special weapons or 1 special and 1 heavy for the most part. And have a special weapon heavy stubber, and the heavy weapon one a twin mounted version, so you can have the Kriegers get their stubbers again as well as have options for interesting new looking versions of it. Like the Catachan M60!Stubber, a Mordian MG42!Stubber, a Praetorian Maxim!Stubber, etc.
But yeah - Catachans need a full revamp. Cadians were fine with their upgrade sprue, but the Catachans are by now some of the oldest plastics in general sale. I think only a few Tyranids and the Khorne Berserkers are of older or similar vintage without even an upgrade sprue to their name now the Eldar Guardians got a glow-up.
And then maybe GW can start making some kits for guard that can represent multiple non cadian regiments. Like Armageddon/Tallarn, Mordians/Praetorians, etc.
they came out ok i think, certainly better than the studio army.
Wargames Atlantic does guard better then GW hands down. You get a lot more troops in a box that cost less, and they compressed the Command and Heavy Weapon Team boxes into one flexible kit.
Their ranges are cost effective and ever expanding. (Their free shipping bar is competitively low at $50usd)
I own thousands of Games Workshop 40k Catachan Soldiers Metal and Plastic and some recast. To make up a Female Company I had to Buy from Victoria Miniatures and some APCs and lots of Scrappers bags. I have lots of Support Armour Different Variants Of Leman Russ MBTs, lots of flamer tanks, Devil Dogs, Artillery, lots of custom support vehicles with ammo carriers, a convoy of a Royal Imperial Army Ordnance Company, a section of rough riders, not horses but Cold ones from a Dark Elf set, a Dozen of Imperial Knights, a large air wing and other units I have converted from kits, etc. I don't play the game but I love painting and converting kits, be collecting Catachan since the early 90s, I got codexs, mags, lots of ForgeWorld books, and lots of rare and one-off books, and a few with the autograph of the author, I have a major problem, I'm a disabled Army veteran as I live out of a wheelchair as I got very stuffed up back in 2008-2009 in Afghanistan, but modeling helps, and lots of people have helped me over the year, my military family, a game shop here in Australia hall of heroes, and lots of others especially Victoria Lamb a great soul. Cheers all, Bob.
I run an OOP catachan army. The model range I’ve used orlocks as mix in
Everything looks great, especially the skin. I think once you get some eyes painted you can really call them done. I am not a fan of the all metal guns.
Sly Maebo is also flanked by AudreyII, the man eating plant from Little Shop of Horrors 🥰
I had never heard of the Macabian Janissaries but man, if GW released a kit for that I would probably kiss my wallet goodbye, I love the way that art looks!