The thing I appreciate about Cornette is he gives credit where it’s due. As much as Shawn Michaels pissed him off with the back stage BS, he always gives him credit as a great performer.
@@ChaddeusPrime yeah michaels is so great because he oversold and screamed like a bitchy chippendale dancer in every match, still dont see why everyone pretends to like his c- bullshit especially when he was a fucking dickhead all the time
This is Booking 101. Shawn walks out with the win with Bret waiting on him for a feud. A new huge heel debuts with a lot of heat on him. Undertaker loses but doesn’t lose any credibility because of the way he lost & has a new huge feud to get into. This is a master class in how to book
@@dirkturrell6460 Then Vince didn't want to deal with the taxes, rules, and regulations of being a "sport". He decided to admit to the world it was 100% pretend, all made up. That was the death of professional wrestling.
@@zamiel3 lol I knew pro wrestling was fake when I first started watching as a six year old kid. That was thirty two years ago. Nobody with half a brain working believed it was real.
The early version of Kane was the perfect character -- it didn't rely on mic skills, just sheer brutality. The only difference in heel Kane and babyface Kane was who he was destroying. The long running Undertaker / Kane story was always one of, if not the best one in the WWF, IMO.
They did kind of because I remember JR saying something like "We found out they are not actual brothers, they just grew up together and see each other as brothers" when I was binge watching old raw on the network a few years back.
Random: I was working a bar (security) in Beverly Hills, the weekend before whatever Wrestlemania was in LA, circa '03...Christian is standing around the bar like a lost puppy. There wasn't a broad within 6 feet of him. The other wrestlers were grouped up away from him like he was Jimmy Carter.
@Euroheat0022 true but them being brothers suited that era well, you had the dudleys, brothers, the hardys, also brothers, and the brothers of destruction
The moment I saw Kane in 1997 I immediately became his biggest fan. At that point you didn't have someone that looked or acted like him and how he was conveyed as this unstoppable force of chaos being happily directed to lay waste to everything until Undertaker stopped ducking him, it was fresh. One of the more genius booking ideas though was how Kane obliterated the shit out of Mankind who at that point was Undertaker's greatest rival. It took Undertaker pay-per-view after pay-per-view to get his revenge finally, and here you have Kane coming in like a whirlwind of destruction that just dispatched of him in ten minutes easily.
It's incredible when you think back about how special WWF in 1997 was. The Austin-Bret Hart rivalry, two of the greatest matches in history, the WrestleMania double turn,, the Montreal situation, the debut of Kane, and the start of the Attitude Era, among many other things. It was such an awesome time.
Cornette's right. I loved Kane when he was introduced. Then after several modifications to the gimmick and the occasional drop to the midcard, I had a hard time buying it when they wanted to make him a badass again.
I like how it was okay for Shawn to threaten to no show and get away with anything he wanted, where when Warrior threatened to no show he got his ass fired Granted even though he was a prick and a crybaby back then at least Shawn was entertaining and could actually work and wrestle. Just funny to think
@@antonmasters8626 I think it is because Vince was so desperate at this time to make everyone happy. And so he let Shawn get away with a lot. So he wouldn't show up on WCW.
@@papachee323 That's why I half wish I lived near a big arena. So when I do my WalMart shopping at 2-3 in the morning (whenever they return to 24 hour) I might just run into a superstar. And you know Glenn went there at 2 in the morning in the hopes that of the few people in the store at that time of day, no one would recognize him XD
"He was doing jobs for us and happy to do it." If that's true, it was the only time Michaels would be happy to do jobs for at least the next twenty years.
I doubt you were alive then, but it was 1984. Michaels and Jannetty didn't even make it to Mid-South and World Class with a small push as the Rockers until 1985
@@michaelkaminski8339 It was a joke/jab at Michaels for refusing to put anyone over as much as he did. I was aware that Shawn spent time in the AWA, various NWA territories, and Mid-South before the WWF.
RVD had a great debut except for the piped in crowd noise. The whole crowd is doing the Van Dam taunt, yet all you heard on tv was a deafening Austin chant.
The Giant in WCW. They got him to a) Win the World Heavyweight Championship at his first match and b) against Hulk " the last time I lost clean was a decade ago, brother!" Hogan. Try to beat that.
The build up and the reveal of Kane was simply perfection. I liked how we didn’t know a lot about Kane before Bad Blood. We just knew that Undertaker thought he died in a fire. We didn’t know if he was evil or good. The actual reveal and debut couldn’t have been better. The way Glenn walked with the outfit and the mask reminded me of Jason Vorhees. It’s super hard to show emotion with a mask but Glenn did a great job. His eyes looked like he didn’t have a soul. His body language gave off that he was motivated by evil and rage to hurt people. His intense hatred for The Undertaker felt so real. Also Vince’s selling was just simply awesome. I was six years old watching the show live on PPV and I was so shocked and sad for what he did to Undertaker and I had trouble sleeping that night lol. I legitimately thought Kane was going to get me.
ladistar lol I was six years old so yes I thought it was real. They also did a great job at making it look super real. It took me until I was about 9 to realize wrestling is scripted.
They really started misusing Kane after his first feuds against the Undertaker came to an end. X-Pac beat him at a PPV by throwing the steps onto him and pinning him then running off, DX would constantly intervene in his matches and make him lose, get counted out or his opponent was DQ'd, so he stopped winning matches and beating people and it slowly made him look less strong. Still remained a beast though. His character really became pussified when he was feuding with Shane McMahon. Shane is great, but they had two PPV matches when Shane shouldn't have been able to even last 5 minutes with Kane before getting paralysed. Kane was also incredibly over when he returned in 2001, and he should have been world champion as a face and regularly in main event matches before being unmasked and becoming a psychotic heel. His rape feuds with Lita, Matt Hardy and Snitsky was the worst.
That Shane and Vince became involved in the wrestling at all made me lose interest and especially when they put themselves into main events and real programs with legit wrestlers. It discredited the whole thing. I don't care how big Vince's muscles were, he's just a scrawny old businessman that should be no less than squashed by any talent on the roster, especially by the champions!
Jim taking everyone to school with his Booking 101 class. People can criticize him all they want and call him out of touch, (Orange Cassidy and Buck fans) but the guy knows his shit. Far too often, people working in the industry get focused on the over the top aspects of wrestling. They forget the basics of how to present the product. Those issues and a lack of creating new stand out stars is why the business is struggling before the beer flu/Great Depression Part 2.
Agreed. Only people who want wrestling to be fun, goofy bullshit criticize Jim on his wrestling opinions. I have no problems with people disagreeing with the rest, as I also find myself disagreeing with him on some occasions, but using the same old "he's out of touch" bullshit is garbage
@@fabianmarshall4120 Exactly. And this is Corny's strength and weakness. Corny has so much right but he's not right on *everything*, and tastes change. He still sees wrestling as it's the 70's or 80's but the audience is totally culturally different. Not right or wrong, just different. But there are also fundamentals that Corny has - absolute fundamentals that are just *right*. Take for him here talking about unmasked Kane. He's right, unmasking Kane neutered him because it wasn't what we were sold. I would always listen to him but he's not going to 'get' Orange Cassidy because it's not something someone from the 80's would 'get'. And that's fine, Cassidy would have *sucked* in the 80's / 90's. Now humour is post-modern / self-referential and it just *works*. That Cassidy can wrestle makes it work. If Cassidy was an unathletic goofball who can't back up the gimmick with ring skills, it would fail. But he can. And Corny loyalists can harp on all day about why I'm wrong. That's cool, that's an opinion. But there's a reason why Smokey Mountain went out of business too, and why many of Corny's hand picked favourites like Well Dunn or the NWA invasion in 1997 didn't get over with the WWF fans. Corny IS a wrestling genius and a plethora of good ideas but he's not *perfect*, and that's where people get him wrong. Is he out of touch? No! His fundamentals are transcendent of time. But is he out of touch in that he won't accept things he personally doesn't get? Sure. I'll guarantee you though, that's an age thing. The older we get, the more easier it is to get that way. I mean, look at Vince McMahon!
Kane was my shit until they took his mask off. That killed everything about him. I even looked past the whole he can't talk then he all of a sudden speaks great English.
Once you humanize a monster, it's almost impossible to make them into a monster again. Yet, Vince does it constantly. Look at poor Big Show. Once they changed him from Vince's hired monster into a face, they could never get him back to that same level again.
Triple H buried him taking his mask off. I remember that gimmick and was pissed off about the lack of payback. People were afraid of Kane for years then Triple H just had to go over on him.
lol all this logic and planning back then. Now Hell in a cell is just a generic yearly PPV that's just done for no reason no matter what feuds are going on.
This first Hell in a Cell was a goddamn masterpiece by two of the best EVER. This match and the story told stood the test of time and will NEVER be topped no matter what kind of talent you put in it.
Yeah HBK/Taker was definitely the best Hell in the Cell ever. Those two were also my two favorite wrestlers ever. Mankind and Terry Funk watched it and said nobody could top that and they were right.
Mankind vs Taker literally defined the attitude era. The first one was only good cuz it was Kane’s debut. I completely disagree. Mick Foley himself literally singlehandedly topped the first one.
The beating Shaun Michaels took at the hands of the UNDERTAKER in the first HELL IN A CELL was brutal and bloody, he looked like he went through a meat grinder and cheese grater
I absolutely agree and I was lucky enough that this was the very first WWF show I ever attended. It was magical and easily the best birthday present I had (I had just turned 9 a couple days prior to the show)
@@iiGODLYWARRIOR imagine if Vince said "that's gotta be isaac yankem oops I mean Kane, Kane that's gotta be Kane not that other guy the dentist guy whatever his name is" lol
It's a crime that Cornette isn't working as a producer in a wrestling company to give us a real wrestling show. He knows so much about the business man. If I found a new wrestling company, I would hire him instantly.
20 years ago maybe. Not now. I'd trust Heyman Hhh Gedo Court Bauer Don Callis Jeremy borash Lagana And Tony Khan All Before id say cornette only because of Cornettes refusal to compromise and speak with tact He still has a great mind for the business but it's my way or the highway with him. You can tell he misses mlw somewhat.....I loved his Jacob Fatu idea. Hes the one that got me excited for joe vs Lesnar at mania....I still want that to happen But cornette is like Terrell Owens or Antonio Brown. No matter how great he is...his attitude isnt worth the effort to put up with it....hes a wrestling genius in a lot of ways. But id rather try to give a new guy a chance steal one of the names I listed or pump some money into a company like the nwa, roh, or mlw r ather than hire him because at least I know I wouldn't have to put out a pr statement or apologize for something he said at least once a week. Hed have to give up his podcast, I'd give him strict bullet points to abide by on commentary or if he cuts a promo and he is to work in conjunction with a team.....I'd never give him full creative control. But hed never agree to that so what would be the point
The whole booking of Hell In A Cell should be taught in class, if such classes existed. Actually Undertaker's whole booking from Summerslam 97 with the start of the Michaels angle all the way to Summerslam 98 where he faced Austin is pretty great stuff. Cornette talking about how it all has to fit just makes so much sense and he ties it in with movies and TV. This isn't wrestling advice, this is fictional storytelling advice. You don't just put random scenes together you build a storyline in any medium so why this be acceptable in wrestling? Russo's dumb idea of having Taker chokeslam Kane a week later is like having the conflict of your novel get solved in chapter 2. So how do you fill up the rest of the book, you moron? I guess wrestling suffers from not having a fixed length. A movie is about two hours, a novel is going to be a few hundred pages, a tv show episode is usually half-an-hour or an hour with a tv season lasting about 20 episodes. So with a clear format for length you know how much time you need to chew up before the climax. Wrestling is the TV show that never ends so without that clear established time frame you can see how a stupid person would blow through an angle too fast. So Vince saying that Taker and Kane will wrestle at Wrestlemania there is a clear timeframe.
The class would be called "How to get rid of the two most overrated losers who couldn't draw a dime so we can get SCSA on top, Mick right behind him with Rock and HHH right behind them." Step 1. Have Taker throw HBK onto a casket so he destroys his back 2. Have Hart sign to WCW like he was every going to move the needle there 3. Montreal Screwjob 4. Get Tyson because HBK sucks and is too sissy to be believable against Austin 5. Strip HBK and let him go home and keep him there until all the talent leaves. 6. Let Corny pretend like he did it, mention the Rock n Roll express for the one thousandth time, and then blame Russo for the bad parts like the Rock n Roll express coming into the WWF in the late 90s and going over like a wet fart. I watch that time frame and think now that if Owen didn't hurt Austin then he'd have been champ a lot sooner and those two would have been down the card or in WCW a lot sooner. it was obvious which way that was going and while they can trick younger millennials and zoomers with all this modern BS back then we were happy to be rid of those them. Hart wouldn't have made it another year in that company he didn't fit and HBK was so hated people cheered fucking Sid Vicious over him when HBK was the face.
Love hearing stories about the development of this story. It's my favorite story line, the anticipation still gives me the chills. I'm about to watch it all over again right now.
I always figured Kane did his signature head tilt because that’s what Michael Myers always did after murdering a victim, since the rest of his mystique was essentially based on him as Corny said. But Glenn said on Broken Skull that he got the head tilt from his dog. She just tilted her head and looked at him one day and he was like wow that would be a cool thing for me to do as Kane lol i thought that was hilarious.
easyrider rider i’m sure they took elements from both him and myers. mostly michael tho. they’re pretty similar tbh, both masked, both walk slowly, both head tilt.
Just picture him as jacked as he was back then looking like Leatherface or Hannibal Lecter. The only thing that would have made that idea even better if they had fake blood behind the mask looking like he skinned it fresh.
@@louis3141 It wouldnt make sense. The burnings were 20 Years ago and should be healed by that point in time. And imagine working a match with make-up, it would get sweaty and messy.
The biggest BS they pulled was when they started that Katie Vick storyline and rewrote Kane's story completely. Eveyrhting they told us about Kane in 97and 98 went out the window in 2003. Paul Bearer's hard work and FANTASTIC promos during that time went out the window as well.. Basically they said that while Kane was growing up he was dating chicks and being drunk at parties. WTH? What they told the audience there was that this guy was never burned and he was normal and did normal things like the rest of us.. What happened to him being locked up in the basement for 20 years? Or all the plastic surgeries he had that Paul Bearer was telling us about? If you were going to unmask Kane, and didn't have a way out of showing that he's not difigured, you could have had RVD and him in segments going to the doctor or surgeon to get more plastic surgery done, they only thing they can't fix is the eye.. That way when he finally did unmask, we would see that he wasn't disfigured and the story they told for years would be salvaged.
No. You’re wrong. Kane literally said in his interview w stone cold that it added to his character that he only thought he was disfigured but really wasn’t. Granted I agree about Katie Vick. Wrestling as a whole died in 2003.
I think that in every form that there is a bad guy in he\she is more creative and start things while the hero is more of a reactionary. Since in another video Cornette mentioned Bruce Willis i will go with him: until Simon was killed he made life a living hell for John McClane! Brian Pillman, as the loose Cannon, did life hell for Marlena and Goldust, and some may say that the loose cannon character was the only bad person ever who had the upper hand over the good guy. Furthermore, who would make you want to buy the comics: the hero because the bad guy makes you want to see how he will be caught\killed! So, why not loving the bad guys more than the wimpy good one?
The debut of Kane was awesome and it was perfect! It worked! I was glued to the screen every week watching Raw is War just to see him! Even better, they kept him high on the card for years even after the storyline was done with the Undertaker! One of the best decisions ever!
Listening to him tell the story of how cool Kane was in the beginning takes me back. Those days were awesome in wrestling! Such a great period in wrestling.
2:05 Thank you!!! I thought I had gone crazy. I have been trying to tell people for over 2 decades that the Undertaker's name used to be Kane. Like I would randomly tune into wrestling in the 00s and be like, "how the fuck is Kane and the Undertaker two different people?" And people would be like "Shut the fuck up." Finally, I have closure. I saw "Mean" Mark Callous and Danny Spivey at the UIC Pavilion back in like '87....who knew that an open miker like that would go on to be a legend. I guess I could say the same for "Stunning" Steve Austin and "Midnight Rocker" Sean Michaels.
still love the blue 'real steel' cage. in fact, I think and have always thought that after they retired it, that some guys, when calling out ppl for cage matches, should have suggested this one instead. "oh no, tonight.....there will be no traditional fence cage.....tonight we are going OLD SCHOOL. Saturday night's main event style.
When i was growing up watching this era (Kane's debut etc) i had no idea that Jim Cornette and Bruce Pritchard were behind the scenes putting these awesome story lines together. This was my childhood! I would rarely miss a Monday Night or a Sunday pay-per-view , only when i got in trouble and was punished by having to miss wrestling which was the worst possible punishment to me ! I would've rather took closed-fist beatings from my step dad or had took extension cord whippings !!!
kanes early character reminds me a lot of mankind. and that’s the part of wrestling i loved most as a kid. the weird and funny lore behind characters like kane, undertaker and mankind, one being an undead 6’10 wizard with a zombie pallbearer that holds an urn that gives him his power, with a 7 foot tall lost brother from hell that got burnt in a fire, to a disfigured crazy guy in a mask that lives in the boiler room… the characters are just entertaining.
Love Jim's podcast lol. Not only do I mostly agree with him. But when I think about what he spoke it gives me a different perspective. Which is what all companies need is someone who criticizes anything and everything created before it is put out for the public
They already used "Rage in the Cage". It was the second PPV in 1996, "In Your House: Rage in the Cage". That was the old blue cage match, between Bret Hart and Diesel for the WWF title.
Thanks for reading my question again. And I butchered buzz Sawyer name lol oops didn't realize that. I wish that more people were like jim cornette in wrestling at least his mindset.
looking back at it, thats pretty impressive how they stretched that feud to wrestlemania and still kept people interested. hard to believe its the same company that cant make a decent weekly raw now.
What's interesting at this time is you have two great workers Mark Calaway and Glenn Jacobs and a very good manager or writer Jim Cornette the three work together like making a cocktail enjoy 🤑🤑🤑🤑
“Oh this’d be cool! Let’s put the fuckin big hefty guy from the Banana Splits and a member of the The Beatles against so-and-so, cause it’d be funny!” 😂😂😂
If not read by now never will be. Say they get 100 emails, even 50. They pick 5-10 best questions that's relevant to show then done. On to the next batch.
That whole "minis freak out when Kane shows up" thing was hilarious. Just watched that on the Network. The most hilarious thing I've seen so far in my watching of the Attitude Era. Not to mention the interactions between the minis, Ross, and Jim. My favorite Kane entrance was his Slow Chemical one. The boom, the fire, the theme, and the way he walks out from Gorilla. Just so badass. Like, you know whoever is in the ring is gonna get their ass beat.
Unpopular opinion, but Kane's character is kinda more interesting than Undertaker His reason was he was on a vengeance for Taker burning him and his family, he was a monster unhinged, can't talk, then upon wrestling and destroying people, he started getting emotions and starts to like people and later starts having friends, now he is mayor with a freaking Devil Trigger that he summons his demon kane when he needs it
In William Castle's 'Mr. Sardonicus' the villain has a disfigured face and wears a humanlike mask to cover it up. It would've been interesting if Kane wore a similiar mask.
Actually uswa had a Kane character in 1989. Wore red outfit and mask. He had a closed cage match with ron fuller and was supposed to be a long lost brother
I always thought the blue cage looked more lethal than the chain link version personally, even if blue isn't the best colour (then again, it seems like it was more dangerous so switching to chain links was probably a wise decision).
@@ElliottMichaels56 You know how Michaels eventually beat "his demons" (aka drugs)? Yeah, well, it was a squash match for Marty and he wasn't the squasher. Last time I heard of Jennetty, he went viral because he was intimidating or shit talking or I don't even know what, he wasn't what you'd call coherent, to an ex-girlfriend publicly on social media... and it went viral because he admitted to a murder in the 80s nobody knew about. It was a lot of false hope for Benoit fans because Jennetty implied he'd killed more since and they thought "YES! Maybe Chris isn't WWE's worst mistake anymore!" I never heard anything more of it because I guess Jennetty is so boring people don't even give a shit enough to follow up when he's admitting to being a serial killer. But of course, the whole thing could've been a drug hallucination. Because drugs. Sorry, "personal demons".
Also true you never book a match to where you bury the star after the one match and then expect the STAR to continue on in the business on top for the rest for of the time of the run 🤔🤑
I think the Shawn thing may have come from his comments I watched in a shoot a few days ago. Not that he had come up with the idea for a roof on a cage altogether but maybe throw a roof on this one rather than have the old roofless blue monstrosity they used to have around that time. Now whether or not he said that or who came up with it is up for debate.
Jim Cornette if Kane was pitched today "Why would a crazy person just so happen to have a camera filming walls through his mask and it somehow made it's way to being shown on TV. THIS IS UNREALISTIC."
Well actually today everyone has a camera in their pocket or easy access to high definition cameras. So while I see what ya did there and agree to a point. Neither Jim's original argument about cameras nor your analogy make any sense in my opinion. Simply for the fact they know that their on TV whether it's supposed to be real or not so why wouldn't they have camera people.. abc followed Ali down a street in a foreign country.
What?!?! I thought his idea made tons of sense. Why does Kane wear a red super hero outfit? Did Paul Bearer get it for him? Why would he get him an outfit like that? To me the logical look would be the one Jim was describing. Someone who was severely burned and just wants to be normal would have been so much better.
Jim is more exciting to just LISTEN to, than it is to actually WATCH wrestling. He really is one of the GREATEST EVER in the business. When KANE first appeared in the WWE, you knew that things were going to go to a whole other level. When KANE showed up, it was one of the most INSANE things ever. Brilliant writing.UNDERTAKER and KANE storyline was as good as it gets. Great stuff.
HBK sounds like he was a prick of a person at his heights and clearly had his demons that contributed but as a wrestler, theres no doubt of his place at the top table.
@@raymondsolisjr.1262 Same mate, I went along to the hotel before a show to meet them, met Flair, Cena, Edge, Malenko and asked HBK to sign a copy of his book that I had with me and he just walked straight past me, douchebag.
Vince McMahon, at the birth of his son: THAT’S GOTTA BE SHANE, THAT’S GOTTA BE SHANE!!
And when the doctor asked who the father was, Vince said: IT WAS ME DOCTOR! IT WAS ME ALL ALOOONNGG!!
And then Austin walks in “I’ll take it from here nurse!”
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PotatoQuality Aw son of a bitch!
The thing I appreciate about Cornette is he gives credit where it’s due. As much as Shawn Michaels pissed him off with the back stage BS, he always gives him credit as a great performer.
which is bullshit anyway, little bitch is overrated
@@johnnytelemundo obvious bait is obvious
@@ChaddeusPrime yeah michaels is so great because he oversold and screamed like a bitchy chippendale dancer in every match, still dont see why everyone pretends to like his c- bullshit especially when he was a fucking dickhead all the time
I dont think very many people agree with you on that.
Michaels is for sure a legend.
@@ChaddeusPrime well im tired of being right all the time
This is Booking 101. Shawn walks out with the win with Bret waiting on him for a feud. A new huge heel debuts with a lot of heat on him. Undertaker loses but doesn’t lose any credibility because of the way he lost & has a new huge feud to get into. This is a master class in how to book
These were the golden days of wrestling!
@@dirkturrell6460 Then Vince didn't want to deal with the taxes, rules, and regulations of being a "sport". He decided to admit to the world it was 100% pretend, all made up. That was the death of professional wrestling.
@@zamiel3 that wasn't "then" people had known it was fake for years before.
@@heshamhany8470Not even what I am talking about.
@@zamiel3 lol I knew pro wrestling was fake when I first started watching as a six year old kid.
That was thirty two years ago. Nobody with half a brain working believed it was real.
Only Glen Jacobs could pull Kane off. The same way Mark Calloway pulled off The Undertaker.
Who are those guys? and why are they giving handjobs to my favorite wrestlers?
Genius
sammmm87 brilliant
@@sammmm87 a fuck I wanted to say that fuck ye lol
@@sammmm87 LMAO
The early version of Kane was the perfect character -- it didn't rely on mic skills, just sheer brutality. The only difference in heel Kane and babyface Kane was who he was destroying. The long running Undertaker / Kane story was always one of, if not the best one in the WWF, IMO.
Kinda like how Edge and Christian just stopped being brothers at some point, and no explanation was ever given lmao
They did kind of because I remember JR saying something like "We found out they are not actual brothers, they just grew up together and see each other as brothers" when I was binge watching old raw on the network a few years back.
Random: I was working a bar (security) in Beverly Hills, the weekend before whatever Wrestlemania was in LA, circa '03...Christian is standing around the bar like a lost puppy. There wasn't a broad within 6 feet of him. The other wrestlers were grouped up away from him like he was Jimmy Carter.
Tariq Busy lmfaooo💀💀💀💀💀
If anyone remembers Edge & Christian, Gangrel his Brood, were originally apart of Undertaker's Ministry of Darkness
@Euroheat0022 true but them being brothers suited that era well, you had the dudleys, brothers, the hardys, also brothers, and the brothers of destruction
The moment I saw Kane in 1997 I immediately became his biggest fan. At that point you didn't have someone that looked or acted like him and how he was conveyed as this unstoppable force of chaos being happily directed to lay waste to everything until Undertaker stopped ducking him, it was fresh. One of the more genius booking ideas though was how Kane obliterated the shit out of Mankind who at that point was Undertaker's greatest rival. It took Undertaker pay-per-view after pay-per-view to get his revenge finally, and here you have Kane coming in like a whirlwind of destruction that just dispatched of him in ten minutes easily.
Good comment mate
@@wezzab3899 Damn good.
@@spongebobsquarepants3990 xd so quirky xd
spongebob squarepants alright spongebob
Everything said here was spot on.,How easily Kane beat Mankind is often overlooked
It's incredible when you think back about how special WWF in 1997 was. The Austin-Bret Hart rivalry, two of the greatest matches in history, the WrestleMania double turn,, the Montreal situation, the debut of Kane, and the start of the Attitude Era, among many other things. It was such an awesome time.
I can listen to Jim's wrestling
Stories all day.
I can too, but not 5 seconds of his politics!
Real shit
@Chris Terry Ain't it Wonderful? Trump is our Most Greatest, Most Wonderful President we've EVER had. Learn it, Live it & always Love it You FuckTard!
Me too, Jim is awesome
Cornette's right. I loved Kane when he was introduced. Then after several modifications to the gimmick and the occasional drop to the midcard, I had a hard time buying it when they wanted to make him a badass again.
I think the Katie Vick thing was where it really jumped the shark
"Shawn Michaels wins. So we get out of that fn deal. Shawn Michaels always gotta win. Or else wise he wount show up" - Jim Cornette
One of my favorite Corny quotes. Up there with, “I wouldn’t wanna name any names like SHAWN MICHAELS for instance.”
@@alexdelarge703 fuckin classic
I like how it was okay for Shawn to threaten to no show and get away with anything he wanted, where when Warrior threatened to no show he got his ass fired
Granted even though he was a prick and a crybaby back then at least Shawn was entertaining and could actually work and wrestle.
Just funny to think
@@antonmasters8626 I think it is because Vince was so desperate at this time to make everyone happy. And so he let Shawn get away with a lot. So he wouldn't show up on WCW.
"Give him something he's not afraid to go out in public in." LMAO I ran into Glen Jacobs in Walmart once and this made me laugh.
Was he dressed like that? ^
@@GranthamStreet Looked just like Corporate Kane but he was smiling and really nice. 2 am and in a suit.
@@papachee323 That's why I half wish I lived near a big arena. So when I do my WalMart shopping at 2-3 in the morning (whenever they return to 24 hour) I might just run into a superstar. And you know Glenn went there at 2 in the morning in the hopes that of the few people in the store at that time of day, no one would recognize him XD
@@randomlyentertaining8287 It's worth the risk. Just for that chance to see Mankind in electronics.
"He was doing jobs for us and happy to do it."
If that's true, it was the only time Michaels would be happy to do jobs for at least the next twenty years.
Paid his dues
I doubt you were alive then, but it was 1984. Michaels and Jannetty didn't even make it to Mid-South and World Class with a small push as the Rockers until 1985
@@michaelkaminski8339 It was a joke/jab at Michaels for refusing to put anyone over as much as he did. I was aware that Shawn spent time in the AWA, various NWA territories, and Mid-South before the WWF.
@@michaelkaminski8339 x
Except for certain kinda jobs... Heyooo
Jim’s Kane promo idea... the breathing behind the mask.... genius.....
I loved everything about it besides the comical rotten meat stuff, but showing the room and all with the breathing would be peak
Kane had easily the best Debut in wrestling!
Lets not forget the huge pop that Chris Jericho got in August 1999
RVD had a great debut except for the piped in crowd noise. The whole crowd is doing the Van Dam taunt, yet all you heard on tv was a deafening Austin chant.
DDP had the best WWE debut, listen to the reveal pop!
The Giant in WCW. They got him to a) Win the World Heavyweight Championship at his first match and b) against Hulk " the last time I lost clean was a decade ago, brother!" Hogan. Try to beat that.
@@justinobuscape7031 Yeah, but that wrestling story sucks compared to Kane.
The build up and the reveal of Kane was simply perfection. I liked how we didn’t know a lot about Kane before Bad Blood. We just knew that Undertaker thought he died in a fire. We didn’t know if he was evil or good. The actual reveal and debut couldn’t have been better. The way Glenn walked with the outfit and the mask reminded me of Jason Vorhees. It’s super hard to show emotion with a mask but Glenn did a great job. His eyes looked like he didn’t have a soul. His body language gave off that he was motivated by evil and rage to hurt people. His intense hatred for The Undertaker felt so real. Also Vince’s selling was just simply awesome. I was six years old watching the show live on PPV and I was so shocked and sad for what he did to Undertaker and I had trouble sleeping that night lol. I legitimately thought Kane was going to get me.
Well we kinda knew he was bad simply by his association with Paul Bearer.
lol did you actually think it was real
ladistar lol I was six years old so yes I thought it was real. They also did a great job at making it look super real. It took me until I was about 9 to realize wrestling is scripted.
Paul Bearers promos during the beginning of this feud were awesome
It's a shame how Kane's character diminished throughout the years. I really don't know how a new Blue Kane is going to work
A blue Kane?
@@MCMcThriller Yes there's rumors of Big Cass returning as Blue Kane
Managed by Blue Meanie?
He never wanted to be champion shut up
I dont know if an blue Kane would work, with an new character, and they want big Cass
He would never do way better than the original Kane
They really started misusing Kane after his first feuds against the Undertaker came to an end. X-Pac beat him at a PPV by throwing the steps onto him and pinning him then running off, DX would constantly intervene in his matches and make him lose, get counted out or his opponent was DQ'd, so he stopped winning matches and beating people and it slowly made him look less strong. Still remained a beast though. His character really became pussified when he was feuding with Shane McMahon. Shane is great, but they had two PPV matches when Shane shouldn't have been able to even last 5 minutes with Kane before getting paralysed. Kane was also incredibly over when he returned in 2001, and he should have been world champion as a face and regularly in main event matches before being unmasked and becoming a psychotic heel. His rape feuds with Lita, Matt Hardy and Snitsky was the worst.
That Shane and Vince became involved in the wrestling at all made me lose interest and especially when they put themselves into main events and real programs with legit wrestlers. It discredited the whole thing. I don't care how big Vince's muscles were, he's just a scrawny old businessman that should be no less than squashed by any talent on the roster, especially by the champions!
He never should've been unmasked.
@@thescourge6989 I loved when he got unmasked to me he become more then a monster but as time went he became more human
"When I was seven years old and they changed fucking characters in Bewitched, I fucking got hot." LMFNAO!!!!!!!!
Jim taking everyone to school with his Booking 101 class. People can criticize him all they want and call him out of touch, (Orange Cassidy and Buck fans) but the guy knows his shit. Far too often, people working in the industry get focused on the over the top aspects of wrestling. They forget the basics of how to present the product. Those issues and a lack of creating new stand out stars is why the business is struggling before the beer flu/Great Depression Part 2.
Agreed. Only people who want wrestling to be fun, goofy bullshit criticize Jim on his wrestling opinions. I have no problems with people disagreeing with the rest, as I also find myself disagreeing with him on some occasions, but using the same old "he's out of touch" bullshit is garbage
He’s not out of touch he just won’t budge on his ideas. He knows what works but won’t give credit to things that work he doesn’t like
What is beer flu you mean bird flu! Lmao
@@fabianmarshall4120 Exactly. And this is Corny's strength and weakness.
Corny has so much right but he's not right on *everything*, and tastes change. He still sees wrestling as it's the 70's or 80's but the audience is totally culturally different. Not right or wrong, just different.
But there are also fundamentals that Corny has - absolute fundamentals that are just *right*. Take for him here talking about unmasked Kane. He's right, unmasking Kane neutered him because it wasn't what we were sold.
I would always listen to him but he's not going to 'get' Orange Cassidy because it's not something someone from the 80's would 'get'. And that's fine, Cassidy would have *sucked* in the 80's / 90's. Now humour is post-modern / self-referential and it just *works*. That Cassidy can wrestle makes it work. If Cassidy was an unathletic goofball who can't back up the gimmick with ring skills, it would fail. But he can.
And Corny loyalists can harp on all day about why I'm wrong. That's cool, that's an opinion. But there's a reason why Smokey Mountain went out of business too, and why many of Corny's hand picked favourites like Well Dunn or the NWA invasion in 1997 didn't get over with the WWF fans. Corny IS a wrestling genius and a plethora of good ideas but he's not *perfect*, and that's where people get him wrong.
Is he out of touch? No! His fundamentals are transcendent of time. But is he out of touch in that he won't accept things he personally doesn't get? Sure. I'll guarantee you though, that's an age thing. The older we get, the more easier it is to get that way.
I mean, look at Vince McMahon!
When he says he doesn’t like something he’ll tell you how he would do it. His idea is usually better.
Kane was my shit until they took his mask off. That killed everything about him. I even looked past the whole he can't talk then he all of a sudden speaks great English.
Once you humanize a monster, it's almost impossible to make them into a monster again. Yet, Vince does it constantly. Look at poor Big Show. Once they changed him from Vince's hired monster into a face, they could never get him back to that same level again.
He was your shit? Wtf
@@totallybored5526 lol he shat out kane
Triple H buried him taking his mask off. I remember that gimmick and was pissed off about the lack of payback. People were afraid of Kane for years then Triple H just had to go over on him.
@ Kane, Booker T, Goldberg, 10 others I could name were all victims of HHH's early to mid 2000s run
lol all this logic and planning back then. Now Hell in a cell is just a generic yearly PPV that's just done for no reason no matter what feuds are going on.
Trash
Just like TLC, Money In The Bank, Extreme Rules and similar shit.
So how about now
This first Hell in a Cell was a goddamn masterpiece by two of the best EVER. This match and the story told stood the test of time and will NEVER be topped no matter what kind of talent you put in it.
Ikr
Yeah HBK/Taker was definitely the best Hell in the Cell ever. Those two were also my two favorite wrestlers ever. Mankind and Terry Funk watched it and said nobody could top that and they were right.
Mankind vs Taker literally defined the attitude era. The first one was only good cuz it was Kane’s debut. I completely disagree. Mick Foley himself literally singlehandedly topped the first one.
The beating Shaun Michaels took at the hands of the UNDERTAKER in the first HELL IN A CELL was brutal and bloody, he looked like he went through a meat grinder and cheese grater
I absolutely agree and I was lucky enough that this was the very first WWF show I ever attended. It was magical and easily the best birthday present I had (I had just turned 9 a couple days prior to the show)
I was there in St. Louis when Kane made his debut. Such an awesome thing to witness live, though we had no idea what was going on haha
Yup. Y'all didn't hear Vince McMahon freaking out 😆 "That's gotta be Kane!!!"
@@iiGODLYWARRIORHaha exactly!
Fellow St. Louisan !! did Kane's pyro scare everyone?? like make every jump?
They really didn’t think ahead on that one
@@iiGODLYWARRIOR imagine if Vince said "that's gotta be isaac yankem oops I mean Kane, Kane that's gotta be Kane not that other guy the dentist guy whatever his name is" lol
Kane was a badass back in the day. And I loved the brothers of destruction angle
It's a crime that Cornette isn't working as a producer in a wrestling company to give us a real wrestling show. He knows so much about the business man. If I found a new wrestling company, I would hire him instantly.
20 years ago maybe. Not now.
I'd trust
Heyman
Hhh
Gedo
Court Bauer
Don Callis
Jeremy borash
Lagana
And Tony Khan
All Before id say cornette only because of Cornettes refusal to compromise and speak with tact
He still has a great mind for the business but it's my way or the highway with him.
You can tell he misses mlw somewhat.....I loved his Jacob Fatu idea.
Hes the one that got me excited for joe vs Lesnar at mania....I still want that to happen
But cornette is like Terrell Owens or Antonio Brown. No matter how great he is...his attitude isnt worth the effort to put up with it....hes a wrestling genius in a lot of ways.
But id rather try to give a new guy a chance steal one of the names I listed or pump some money into a company like the nwa, roh, or mlw r ather than hire him because at least I know I wouldn't have to put out a pr statement or apologize for something he said at least once a week.
Hed have to give up his podcast, I'd give him strict bullet points to abide by on commentary or if he cuts a promo and he is to work in conjunction with a team.....I'd never give him full creative control.
But hed never agree to that so what would be the point
Darnell Thames who exactly are you??? ....... a nobody
@@arsebiscuits3270 what's your point exactly???
Darnell Thames that nobody on the planet cares what you would make him do .... or who you would hire
Darnell Thames I personally thought your comment was poignant and had some extremely valid points, fuck this random dickhead
The whole booking of Hell In A Cell should be taught in class, if such classes existed. Actually Undertaker's whole booking from Summerslam 97 with the start of the Michaels angle all the way to Summerslam 98 where he faced Austin is pretty great stuff. Cornette talking about how it all has to fit just makes so much sense and he ties it in with movies and TV. This isn't wrestling advice, this is fictional storytelling advice. You don't just put random scenes together you build a storyline in any medium so why this be acceptable in wrestling?
Russo's dumb idea of having Taker chokeslam Kane a week later is like having the conflict of your novel get solved in chapter 2. So how do you fill up the rest of the book, you moron? I guess wrestling suffers from not having a fixed length. A movie is about two hours, a novel is going to be a few hundred pages, a tv show episode is usually half-an-hour or an hour with a tv season lasting about 20 episodes. So with a clear format for length you know how much time you need to chew up before the climax. Wrestling is the TV show that never ends so without that clear established time frame you can see how a stupid person would blow through an angle too fast. So Vince saying that Taker and Kane will wrestle at Wrestlemania there is a clear timeframe.
WWE has a season. Wrestlemania to Wrestlemania. There used to be four high points every year. Royal Rumble, Wrestlemania, Summerslam Survivor Series.
lmao vince russo strikes again hahaha
They used to book so well back then I don’t know wtf happened because it’s garbage now
The class would be called "How to get rid of the two most overrated losers who couldn't draw a dime so we can get SCSA on top, Mick right behind him with Rock and HHH right behind them."
Step 1. Have Taker throw HBK onto a casket so he destroys his back
2. Have Hart sign to WCW like he was every going to move the needle there
3. Montreal Screwjob
4. Get Tyson because HBK sucks and is too sissy to be believable against Austin
5. Strip HBK and let him go home and keep him there until all the talent leaves.
6. Let Corny pretend like he did it, mention the Rock n Roll express for the one thousandth time, and then blame Russo for the bad parts like the Rock n Roll express coming into the WWF in the late 90s and going over like a wet fart.
I watch that time frame and think now that if Owen didn't hurt Austin then he'd have been champ a lot sooner and those two would have been down the card or in WCW a lot sooner. it was obvious which way that was going and while they can trick younger millennials and zoomers with all this modern BS back then we were happy to be rid of those them. Hart wouldn't have made it another year in that company he didn't fit and HBK was so hated people cheered fucking Sid Vicious over him when HBK was the face.
Always thought The Undertaker's first name was "The"
It is “Mr” to you.
Wouldn't that be his middle name?
His original appearance was Kane the Undertaker
kooo
That's correct
It wasn’t? My childhood is a lie
Love hearing stories about the development of this story. It's my favorite story line, the anticipation still gives me the chills. I'm about to watch it all over again right now.
I always figured Kane did his signature head tilt because that’s what Michael Myers always did after murdering a victim, since the rest of his mystique was essentially based on him as Corny said. But Glenn said on Broken Skull that he got the head tilt from his dog. She just tilted her head and looked at him one day and he was like wow that would be a cool thing for me to do as Kane lol i thought that was hilarious.
I've always thought it was so cute when my dog puts his head on one side like he's trying to understand what i'm trying to say.
@@cishansen4162 Y'all are both right!
Yeah kane got it from his dog and the guy who played micheal got it from his dog too if I remember the old Halloween documentary correctly
Jason Voorhees is who I always thought Kane was based on, along with Undertaker to a large extent, also did a kind of head tilt with the mask on, too.
easyrider rider i’m sure they took elements from both him and myers. mostly michael tho. they’re pretty similar tbh, both masked, both walk slowly, both head tilt.
Still waiting on Corny Vs Russo Hell in the Cell.
I think an I Quit or Last Man Standing Match would be more fitting.
Nah cornette vs Russo on a ufc ppv
With no referee stoppage
Gotta be that on the pole gimmick also bro.. hell in the cell on a pole match bro. Or no deal bro. No deal
Nah triple threat hell in a cell cornette vs Russo vs dunn
Kane with a human-looking mask would be maybe too scary for even the Attitude-era at that time.
Cornette's character writing and thoughts going into designing a character is absolute genius
I would like to wrote a comic book series, but I don't have half the creative and complex mind for Character creation as Corny. It's fkn amazing
More proof that 1997 was the best year in wrestling history.
97 and 03 were my favorite years.
97 or 98. where were some very good years in the 80s too that could hold a candle up. 86-90.
2006.
No Trish, no Lita, no Too Cool, no hardcore championship, no corporate Rock, no Ministry of Darkness
@@sheepdavis lol really... too cool xD. Over like rover yeah but come on xD
The depths of Jim’s thoughtprocesses and knowledge of wrestling related topics is second to none
That notion of Kane putting on a human face as a mask would’ve been sick. I would’ve loved that.
Just picture him as jacked as he was back then looking like Leatherface or Hannibal Lecter. The only thing that would have made that idea even better if they had fake blood behind the mask looking like he skinned it fresh.
@@louis3141the fresh skinned blood gimmick sounds bad ass
@@louis3141 It wouldnt make sense. The burnings were 20 Years ago and should be healed by that point in time. And imagine working a match with make-up, it would get sweaty and messy.
@@Baastilein31 Have you not seen burned victims?? They still look like beef jerky even after numerous skin graft surgeries.
The biggest BS they pulled was when they started that Katie Vick storyline and rewrote Kane's story completely. Eveyrhting they told us about Kane in 97and 98 went out the window in 2003. Paul Bearer's hard work and FANTASTIC promos during that time went out the window as well.. Basically they said that while Kane was growing up he was dating chicks and being drunk at parties. WTH? What they told the audience there was that this guy was never burned and he was normal and did normal things like the rest of us.. What happened to him being locked up in the basement for 20 years? Or all the plastic surgeries he had that Paul Bearer was telling us about?
If you were going to unmask Kane, and didn't have a way out of showing that he's not difigured, you could have had RVD and him in segments going to the doctor or surgeon to get more plastic surgery done, they only thing they can't fix is the eye.. That way when he finally did unmask, we would see that he wasn't disfigured and the story they told for years would be salvaged.
No. You’re wrong. Kane literally said in his interview w stone cold that it added to his character that he only thought he was disfigured but really wasn’t. Granted I agree about Katie Vick. Wrestling as a whole died in 2003.
Who is Katie Vic?
@@eranben-shlomo9856 You're better off not knowing.
@@eranben-shlomo9856 a blow up doll triple h hump in the casket
It’s sad how Vinny Mac turned Hell in a cell into a complete joke.
No joke letting Alexa Bliss win it. That was bs
I know but they had to make it safer
@Cosmic Radio another non-wrestling fan who can't look past beauty. Just cause she's beautiful doesn't mean she has wrestling talent
I stand corrected she's never been in a Hell in a Cell. But still believe she doesn't have wrestling talent
how they change the elimation chamber
Am i the only person who wanted Kane to chokeslam Sunny to make him even more of a danger? I love the bad people, sorry.
Knowing Sunny she probably would've audibly queefed during the slam...
She would of Sid Vicious that & shit herself lol!
@@YouStink86 what?
@@YouStink86 sorry mate I got you now lol
I think that in every form that there is a bad guy in he\she is more creative and start things while the hero is more of a reactionary. Since in another video Cornette mentioned Bruce Willis i will go with him: until Simon was killed he made life a living hell for John McClane! Brian Pillman, as the loose Cannon, did life hell for Marlena and Goldust, and some may say that the loose cannon character was the only bad person ever who had the upper hand over the good guy. Furthermore, who would make you want to buy the comics: the hero because the bad guy makes you want to see how he will be caught\killed! So, why not loving the bad guys more than the wimpy good one?
1997. The year of change in WWF/E. Took me a while to get used to the new things happening and quick matches but wow 97-01 shit was on fire!!!
The debut of Kane was awesome and it was perfect! It worked! I was glued to the screen every week watching Raw is War just to see him! Even better, they kept him high on the card for years even after the storyline was done with the Undertaker! One of the best decisions ever!
I admire the attention to detail Jim went into - the psychology behind a match matters.
Listening to him tell the story of how cool Kane was in the beginning takes me back. Those days were awesome in wrestling! Such a great period in wrestling.
"Mexican Minis" sounds like something on the Del Taco drive-thru display
I absolutely loved hearing the psychology and reasoning behind the creation of the stipulation.
2:05 Thank you!!! I thought I had gone crazy. I have been trying to tell people for over 2 decades that the Undertaker's name used to be Kane. Like I would randomly tune into wrestling in the 00s and be like, "how the fuck is Kane and the Undertaker two different people?" And people would be like "Shut the fuck up." Finally, I have closure. I saw "Mean" Mark Callous and Danny Spivey at the UIC Pavilion back in like '87....who knew that an open miker like that would go on to be a legend. I guess I could say the same for "Stunning" Steve Austin and "Midnight Rocker" Sean Michaels.
Kane's back story is a mess. Let's not even get into Katie Vick.
Katie Vick was hilarious, when Triple H was wearing that Kane mask, and he was like “Hello” in the funeral home. A for comedy, F for wrestling.
YOU KILLED KATIE VICK!!!!!
still love the blue 'real steel' cage. in fact, I think and have always thought that after they retired it, that some guys, when calling out ppl for cage matches, should have suggested this one instead. "oh no, tonight.....there will be no traditional fence cage.....tonight we are going OLD SCHOOL. Saturday night's main event style.
That vince impression at 2:30 was mint lol
I'm very impressed with Jim Cornette's knowledge of horror classics. I want to know what Jim's favorite horror movie is?
I believe in one interview he said Halloween was his favorite horror movie of all time
When i was growing up watching this era (Kane's debut etc) i had no idea that Jim Cornette and Bruce Pritchard were behind the scenes putting these awesome story lines together. This was my childhood! I would rarely miss a Monday Night or a Sunday pay-per-view , only when i got in trouble and was punished by having to miss wrestling which was the worst possible punishment to me ! I would've rather took closed-fist beatings from my step dad or had took extension cord whippings !!!
When the “unstoppable evil” archetype is done well, it’s timeless storytelling
kanes early character reminds me a lot of mankind. and that’s the part of wrestling i loved most as a kid. the weird and funny lore behind characters like kane, undertaker and mankind, one being an undead 6’10 wizard with a zombie pallbearer that holds an urn that gives him his power, with a 7 foot tall lost brother from hell that got burnt in a fire, to a disfigured crazy guy in a mask that lives in the boiler room… the characters are just entertaining.
Love Jim's podcast lol. Not only do I mostly agree with him. But when I think about what he spoke it gives me a different perspective. Which is what all companies need is someone who criticizes anything and everything created before it is put out for the public
They already used "Rage in the Cage". It was the second PPV in 1996, "In Your House: Rage in the Cage". That was the old blue cage match, between Bret Hart and Diesel for the WWF title.
Kane's debut definitely was worth the hype when he first showed it was like holy crap that's gotta be KANE!
Plus the fact that no one even knew what he looked like.
Thanks for reading my question again. And I butchered buzz Sawyer name lol oops didn't realize that. I wish that more people were like jim cornette in wrestling at least his mindset.
looking back at it, thats pretty impressive how they stretched that feud to wrestlemania and still kept people interested. hard to believe its the same company that cant make a decent weekly raw now.
What's interesting at this time is you have two great workers Mark Calaway and Glenn Jacobs and a very good manager or writer Jim Cornette the three work together like making a cocktail enjoy 🤑🤑🤑🤑
kane was my favorite wrestler back in my childhood days, cool story how they came up with this character
Some of JC's best content right here, this was fascinating 👏
Kane has always been one of my favorites, he’ll always be overshadowed by Taker, but the guys a true talent
Austin’s name as chilli mcfreeze is wild 😂😂
Love these types of stories.
“Oh this’d be cool! Let’s put the fuckin big hefty guy from the Banana Splits and a member of the The Beatles against so-and-so, cause it’d be funny!” 😂😂😂
I wonder when they will read my email. I sent this in because I was very very VERY bored of quarantine.
probably many months by the time they get to it, if they're even going to read it on the show
If not read by now never will be. Say they get 100 emails, even 50. They pick 5-10 best questions that's relevant to show then done. On to the next batch.
Damn that’s tough
I'm proud that my question got read on the show thanks Jim
I clicked so fast when i saw kane on the thumbnail
Me too. Even that thumbnail is pretty interesting Kane standing behind Jim cornette and cornette face lol 😂😂😂😂😂
When I was a kid, I had my Kane action figure on the shelf with my X-Men action figures. Not going to lie, he fit right in with the mutants.
I agree with 99.99% of the words coming from corny’s mouth BUT that blue cage is iconic
That whole "minis freak out when Kane shows up" thing was hilarious. Just watched that on the Network. The most hilarious thing I've seen so far in my watching of the Attitude Era. Not to mention the interactions between the minis, Ross, and Jim.
My favorite Kane entrance was his Slow Chemical one. The boom, the fire, the theme, and the way he walks out from Gorilla. Just so badass. Like, you know whoever is in the ring is gonna get their ass beat.
I really want to see a cartoon with all the characters from the thumbnails
13:05 JERKS the door OFF the inescapable cage...classic 😂😂😂
Unpopular opinion, but Kane's character is kinda more interesting than Undertaker
His reason was he was on a vengeance for Taker burning him and his family, he was a monster unhinged, can't talk, then upon wrestling and destroying people, he started getting emotions and starts to like people and later starts having friends, now he is mayor with a freaking Devil Trigger that he summons his demon kane when he needs it
In William Castle's 'Mr. Sardonicus' the villain has a disfigured face and wears a humanlike mask to cover it up. It would've been interesting if Kane wore a similiar mask.
Actually uswa had a Kane character in 1989. Wore red outfit and mask. He had a closed cage match with ron fuller and was supposed to be a long lost brother
Any images or video ?
I always thought the blue cage looked more lethal than the chain link version personally, even if blue isn't the best colour (then again, it seems like it was more dangerous so switching to chain links was probably a wise decision).
The only person that lies more that Pritchard is HBK
Hulk Hogan?
Meltzer is up there too
HBK lies on his stomach, ass up...
Marcus Whitlow Funny you say that cause he has posed for Playgirl only to find, to his detriment, that gay guys mostly read it.
"I was young! And I needed the money."😂
If Cornett got his way Kane would of been even more EPIC imagine that for 1 second!!!
Corny is a genius
I absolutely love when Corny references classic horror films. What a treat it would be to sit back and watch some of the classics with him!
“back in the 90s were Michaels had no thought processes other than where can i get more somas” 🤣🤣
Speaking of Michaels, whatever happened to Michaels' old tag-team partner Marty Jannetty?
@@ElliottMichaels56
Marty was too busy taking all the other somas that the kliq didn't get
@@ElliottMichaels56 You know how Michaels eventually beat "his demons" (aka drugs)? Yeah, well, it was a squash match for Marty and he wasn't the squasher.
Last time I heard of Jennetty, he went viral because he was intimidating or shit talking or I don't even know what, he wasn't what you'd call coherent, to an ex-girlfriend publicly on social media... and it went viral because he admitted to a murder in the 80s nobody knew about. It was a lot of false hope for Benoit fans because Jennetty implied he'd killed more since and they thought "YES! Maybe Chris isn't WWE's worst mistake anymore!" I never heard anything more of it because I guess Jennetty is so boring people don't even give a shit enough to follow up when he's admitting to being a serial killer. But of course, the whole thing could've been a drug hallucination. Because drugs. Sorry, "personal demons".
Jennetty posted some more crazy shit today lol
I fucken loved the Kane character back in the day, and by all accounts, Glen Jacobs is one of the nicest dudes in the wrestling business.
Also true you never book a match to where you bury the star after the one match and then expect the STAR to continue on in the business on top for the rest for of the time of the run 🤔🤑
One of my favorite stories of all time.
I think the Shawn thing may have come from his comments I watched in a shoot a few days ago. Not that he had come up with the idea for a roof on a cage altogether but maybe throw a roof on this one rather than have the old roofless blue monstrosity they used to have around that time. Now whether or not he said that or who came up with it is up for debate.
I believe what Shawn said that he did recommend the roof and the mesh instead of those big blue bars.
12:00 LMAOOO! "Let's put the big hefty guy from the banana splits and a member if the Beatles against so and so..."
Cornette is right though, he forgets he got what he wanted, when Kane unmasked, he was a psychopath.
“Especially in the 90s, where Shawn had no thought process except for getting more Somas.”
Jeeeeeeesus.
Jim Cornette if Kane was pitched today
"Why would a crazy person just so happen to have a camera filming walls through his mask and it somehow made it's way to being shown on TV. THIS IS UNREALISTIC."
That would be Brian more than Jim lol
Well actually today everyone has a camera in their pocket or easy access to high definition cameras.
So while I see what ya did there and agree to a point. Neither Jim's original argument about cameras nor your analogy make any sense in my opinion.
Simply for the fact they know that their on TV whether it's supposed to be real or not so why wouldn't they have camera people.. abc followed Ali down a street in a foreign country.
Skullkid Sid, I immediately thought of that same thing lol
Exactly.
But AJ Styles being locked in an Undertaker themed room is stupid
ed ward Nice essay, and it’s “they’re” not their.
LOL!!! Corny dropping a Banana Splits reference!!! LOVE IT!
This is the first time I disagree with Cornette. I think Kane’s original attire was amazing.
Expect the Cape he wore at mania looked stupid
@@That_Guy- huh? he wore a cape? when?
@@MrMuaythai84 my bad he didn't wear a cape at mania but there is a picture from a house show of him wearing it
“you gotta go out there and get it pal!!!” lmao 😂😂😂
honestly though, thank goodness they didn't go with Jim's idea for Kane's look.
I kinda liked the idea of kane wearing a human face mask because of the uncanny valley
What?!?! I thought his idea made tons of sense. Why does Kane wear a red super hero outfit? Did Paul Bearer get it for him? Why would he get him an outfit like that? To me the logical look would be the one Jim was describing. Someone who was severely burned and just wants to be normal would have been so much better.
This story is fascinating. I’ve listening to this story 5 times.
Pete Rose gimmick was funny, and when he tombstone Pete Rose again a year later made me laugh again.
Well he was a rookie lol so I’m sure he was happy to get his foot in
Jim is more exciting to just LISTEN to, than it is to actually WATCH wrestling. He really is one of the GREATEST EVER in the business. When KANE first appeared in the WWE, you knew that things were going to go to a whole other level. When KANE showed up, it was one of the most INSANE things ever. Brilliant writing.UNDERTAKER and KANE storyline was as good as it gets. Great stuff.
Even more reason to hate Shawn Michaels
HBK sounds like he was a prick of a person at his heights and clearly had his demons that contributed but as a wrestler, theres no doubt of his place at the top table.
@@S1873 met him at an autograph signing and he didn't have enough respect to make eye contact with me. Regret ever liking the asshole
@Puppet master this must have been 4 or 5 years ago
@@raymondsolisjr.1262 Same mate, I went along to the hotel before a show to meet them, met Flair, Cena, Edge, Malenko and asked HBK to sign a copy of his book that I had with me and he just walked straight past me, douchebag.
The big banana split versus one of the Beatles in a cage is the match I never knew I needed.