Jim Ross sounded so…deflated speaking about it. I feel for him, he was put in a position no one should’ve been in and still took all the responsibility.
@@stanmarsh4566 First thing, Meltzer said it so it’s not coming from a phenomenal source. Also, just saying plenty more have said he was on the plane. Either way fucked situation.
@@toniog2626 funny thing is i can imagine Flair being friends with the kind of people youd see on the sopranos, and not mentioning why flair got away with things was within JR's best interests
Rick flair is that way cause….well, drugs. Plus he’s rich and famous so he’s used to getting everything he wants, including booty…..I just don’t get why try and force a woman. There’s millions who woulda gave that 🐱 up for free and millions more you could pay 😂
@@fwef7445 you conveniently ignored the fact that the wrestlers themselves said the flight attendants were powerless to stop them from drinking. They poured the alcohol themselves and were willing to do anything and pay anything to get what they wanted.
@@GotAnUmbrella I recall an interview from a decade ago where Justin Credible, who lived the experience, stated that it was the first and only time WWE ever chartered a private plane where they had it entirely to themselves. On a regular commercial flight most of them would have been kicked off before it left the ground.
It’s to be expected when you hire a bunch of kids with massive amounts of testosterone, fuel them up with as many drugs as you possibly can to keep them docile enough to pay them minimally, not mandate any company policy on behavior and then put them on a international flight with endless amount of alcohol. Not to mention the drugs they already had. I’m actually surprised the plane didn’t crash. If anybody should be held responsible, Vince should be priority number one. He was the one hiring these doctors that would feed the wrestlers any drugs they wanted in any amounts. Ruined a lot of their lives, then ditches them like they never existed. Vince is just very lucky that nobody died on his watch, because had they in an investigation had been launched especially if they found drugs in their system, it would’ve been game over for the WWF/WWE.
Once again Jim Cornette breaks things down in the wrestling world for casual listeners better than anybody else! Maybe Jim Crockett had the right idea about buying a private plane!
Yeah I agree, really surprised by most of the comments here. Feels like Twitter. People saying they lost respect for Cornette because they took the over dramatized words of a jewelry thief as gospel
@@sacredsteeler I don't know who the "jewelry thief" you are talking about is, but I lost respect for Cornette on my own solely because of his stubborn staunch defense of the world of kayfabe that, in my firm belief, is what led to incidents like this. Back in the 80s and before, people like Ric Flair were told they had be their wrestling persona 24/7, and this led to guys like Flair never being told that there has to be a time when you dial it back once the ring lights go off. Ric Flair acted like Ric Flair on that flight because by this point in his life he didn't know how to be anything else. And there is no doubt in my mind there were several incidents far worse than this back in the 80s NWA that we'll never know about, yet Cornette keeps defending the very culture that bred such disasters. This is WHY kayfabe need to die for good and all, this is why wrestlers need to be allowed to be their own selves away from the ring and wrestling fans need to accept it. And thankfully there are a growing number of wrestlers today who understand that, including Ric Flair's own daughter. I'd much rather know my favorite stars are spending their downtime playing video games than getting drunk and looking for cheap sex every night.
@@rowdycmoore do some research on that flight attendant. You're going to be surprised, trust. A pure con-man or con-woman if that's more appropriate these days
@@rowdycmoore The flight attendant Heidi Doyle was found out to have stolen around $80,000 in jewelry and had been arrested and is now a convicted felon so that's why when you see her, she has a shit eating grin.
The stupidest thing Dreamer said was comparing someone trying to force you to touch their no-no square to someone being offended by is double ponytail.. poor choice of comparison..
Absolutely atrocious... I just watched it. I was like, "Sir, are u fuckin serious?!?" 🤨🤨🤨 Ohhhh, that had me hot! That poor woman! U can tell even NOW that she's still conflicted about how everything went down... She's still questioning whether, in the aftermath, she made the right decision to hold those ppl involved accountable. Smh.
I definitely felt for JR in that episode poor guy being put in that position to babysit a bunch of drunk and out of control wrestlers on a plane you can tell that he was done having to relive and tell the story again and who could blame him.
I agree.. I felt for him when he said it shouldn't have been part of his responsibility to have to try and get them to act like fucking respectful adults... You could tell he has some guilt about the events that transpired and honestly it wasn't his fault.. he tried his best.
It really does suck for JR. Not much he can do to control that fiasco realistically. So having to answer for it and hold some accountability for it because of his job as the VP of Talent Relations sucks for him. This doesn’t fall on him because he realistically doesn’t have the control to do so but some of the glaring issue is just the clear double standard for punishment of the behavior on the flight. Obviously top tier names get away with more than others which is applicable to most anything honestly. But I think the punishments that were levied was a black eye coming out of the events. Hennig and Lesnar wrestle, albeit started by Hennig, which gets Hennig released and Lesnar faces no punishment. Scott got released which makes sense - his substance issues had him on a short leash the moment he came in so that one I get. Goldist was fined which I think was fair. But obviously the black eye is Ric who apparently faced no punishment at all. But the disparity of discipline is one of the tough things with this. Two of the older guys who were known to use substances before get let go but then two others who are big names or high up seemingly face no punishment at all. That’ll always be a poor look by implicitly saying that if you’re a big enough name you don’t face consequences. Sadly it hasn’t really changed. There are examples of where the leeway turned out good - like Randy Orton. But you’ll also see guys like Jeff Hardy or Jimmy Uso have major fuck ups and for the most part walk with a slap on the wrist. It’s always going to be an indictment that some guys can have a public intox, followed shortly by a DUI, and keep their job or have multiple DUI arrests within a couple years and keep their job while others just get cut without a second thought.
@@newking70 that's because multiple times in court, judges have ruled that trump lies so much you can say what ever you want about him. Same exact thing about Courtney love. It's why people can make documentary's about how she murdered Kurt Cobain and she can't do shit about it
This is a question that is being asked . She didn’t revel the amount . David Bixebspan posted the court document that shows the case was closed . Settlement . The lawsuit was for all the physical abuse and verbal abuse that they had to endure . In the Darkside of the ring episode, correct me if I’m wrong, The former flight attendant Heidi, when talking about suing WWE, she never stated exact terms of the lawsuit
"Don't sell it" was a lesson from my dad regarding bullies after I came home crying from school. Of course he didn't use that phrase, but it was the same idea: if you show them that it bothers you, they will keep doing it. When I started no-selling it, that shit stopped.
@@A-Man79 That only works in wrestling or with family. In the real world you'd lose everything punching a civilian "bully". Say your peace and keep it moving, maybe sleep with their wife or act like you did so they'll initiate the fight
I feel like if he did just lock himself in the bathroom and clambaked himself the whole time; that means he was still the most well behaved person on the flight not named Jim Ross.
This is why I love Jim. Whether you agree with his opinions or not, he can at least verbalize them with a lot of thought and context. He doesn't always see things objectively (that's an understatement) but when pressed to try to explain something, he'll do his best. He did a FAR better job than Tommy fucking Dreamer did.
Not too mention right after that a old Beefcake interview resurfaced with him saying the rockers were notorious for doing that to women and taking advantage of them. I’m hoping someone speaks up if Shawn and Marty were really doing things that sickening
I love Jim for the most part but this is very very true. Same goes for Russo, Meltzer, Hell Tony Khan and any new guys like the Bucks and Kenny, Pockets, Marko Stunt…he’d lose his shit if anything about any of those people came out and bury them even more.
@@brettgesell4646 I don't get the "never respected the business" accusation Jim keeps heeping on Warrior. Why? Because he didn't spend 40 years in the business/ He made his money and got out. He never broke kayfabe. Never shitted on the business. Never talked bad about anyone in the business. He was accused of being an asshole but so was Hogan and Flair. Flair has used the n word, skipped out on paying his bills and taxes, cheated on his wives, and now is being accused of sexual harassment but Warrior is the piece of the shit? I like Flair and know what he did is part of who he is but don't shit on someone else while sticking up for someone who has done way worse.
I don't know what was more disturbing. What the wrestlers did on the plane, or Tommy dreamer comparing a bad haircut to sexual harassment🤦♂️. Those chairshots in ECW have finally taken their toll.
I think Tommy Dreamer was kind of trying to say what Jim said here 1000 times better... that Ric Flair wasn't consciously trying to sexually harass anyone, that he was just living his gimmick and didn't realize the poor flight attendant wasn't in on the joke. But Jesus Christ, we're talking about a guy cornering an unwilling girl and forcing her to touch his penis. That's SO FAR beyond any "I didn't know she wasn't in on the joke" or "people get offended by anything" excuses it's unreal. Yeah, I guess it's better that Ric did it out of ignorance and not out of malice, but only so much better.
@@wloffblizz I think it shows his (Ric's) limited emotional/intellectual IQ if that's the case (and it may well be the case). I've never thought, drunk or sober, that forcing myself against a girl I didn't know & making her grab my cock was ever a "joke". Don't get me wrong, I've had female friends that used to grab me or I grab them as a joke, but that's the point, we were friends & knew each others level.
In my opinion, they need to make a dark side of the ring on Davey Boy Smith, his issues need to be heard. I don't think a lot of people understand what he went through. I think the perfect people to be in that documentary would be the Billington kids, and Harry, and Georgia, and Diana, and Bret.
@@TheBigChad Also Bill Cosby got canceled even though he settled out of court over a decade and a half ago and he still went to Jail years later.. and Guess who pushed that!!?? Conservatives! and yes some liberals too but it was a lot of Conservatives pushing for him to be Canceled and he got canceled in a Red State by a Conservative Judge by a Conservative DA.. You Guys kill me trying to blame Cancel Culture on liberals when you guys Cancel people all the time.. The Reason you guys are mad cause it's the people you like are getting Canceled..
If you watch the Darkside episode, you don't get the full story about why Michael Hayes got his ponytail cut. He had been burying Sean Waltman in booking meetings and volunteering younger talent to do dangerous stunts like the one that killed Owen Hart.
I was a little surprised to hear RVD kinda casually admit that the drugging and raping of unconscious women was, well, just part of the culture. Unfortunately , that sort of thing isn't unique to pro wrestlers.
Like how does that not warrant a game of “pick a hand”? At the very least how do you not alert the woman the guy was trying to rape her? RVD had stroke in ECW and, to a lesser extent, WWE. A lot of dudes would have stopped doing it just for fear of losing their jobs. He is also a legit kickboxer who is built like a fucking truck. Plenty of dudes would’ve knocked it off out of fear.
You mis-heard what RVD said. It's still weird as hell, but he said some women wanted to be drugged and let the guys "have their way with them". That's not rape. Both people in that situation have some serious issues either way.
Nobody ever said girls "wanted to be drugged" and assaulted. That's not a fantasy anyone would have in the first place. If a person's unconscious, they can't consent, and if you have sex with a person who hasn't consented, that's exactly what rape is. It's not a matter of opinion, that's literally how it works.
Shit, it’s a good point. When you look at all the negative events that happened in 5 years, you can see how he can sense the whole thing falling off a cliff sooner than later. From a business angle, better a slow death than having the whole operation collapse under its own weight.
@@Pahricida They found some needles on the plane, sheesh they really gotta have their roids. I also head that WWE had stopped regular drug testing by the early 2000's so drug abuse was even more rampant than normal (Benoit's death led to drug testing resuming).
I think JR ever since then has regretted the WWE giving the whole roster it's own private luxury flight for a transatlantic trip. As Cornette says, it made them feel like rock stars with no boundaries or rules to follow, and they were on that plane for a long time, long enough to get wasted, pass out, play elaborate jokes, harass the flight crew, allow tempers to flare and fists to fly.
Teri has said the best advice she got was from Paul Heyman "Kayfabe. Kay...Fabe". So yeah that's being taken way out of context. It's not just wrestling and it's not just a gender issue. Kids are constantly told to no sell bullies.
Yeah I agree, really surprised by most of the comments here. Feels like Twitter. People saying they lost respect for Cornette because they took the over dramatized words of a jewelry thief as gospel
Curious why the producers ignored that Dustin Runnels was accused of sexual assault during that flight. It’s in a lawsuit from another of the attendants,
More than likely because they couldn't find coroberating stories. If you notice everything they used here had a corroborating witness confirm it so people couldn't try to pull he said, she said shit.
So Flair didn't just make a fool out of himself, he forcibly put her hand on him. There's no "he didn't know he was offending her." That's pretty black and white and doesn't require context. If you're being forced to do something you don't want to do, there's no "well, let's try to understand the nuance of it."
This is an old story. It was in the local news when the settlement was reached. Flair on a regular bases would get drunk and naked after a match at the hotel.
Have to understand, he wasn’t born into the PC world that’s been created around him. I wouldn’t see him as being proud of it, more like not seeing what’s the big deal. As proud as people have become over this vanilla world thats been created, there are cultures that have existed around the world that would be plotting taking us over because we’re weak.
@UC6SNZmng-3ULlxptfisVNiA “You weirdos are the generation into all that shit” Apparently not if the generation who actively did stuff like that predates the one you’re speaking of
I appreciate Cornette stating his feelings and bias toward Flair. However, Ric Flair is an adult. If it is true Flair did not "mean to offend" the reality was obviously the opposite and monstrously bad judgment. Be it design or default.
The thing is that you don't act the same around everyone. And you don't assume that it's ok to do something around random strangers because your buddies or co-workers think it's funny.
Did you watch the episode my man J.R. is chillin in his ocean front castle....while I do agree the WWE shave years off his life lets not pretend as if the man is destitute. JR is a rich man and has been for years.
The funniest story was about Michael Hayes reopening JBL's cut by punching him whilst he was sleeping & JBL waking up & knocking Michael Hayes out by slapping or back handing him & X Pac cutting Michael Hayes pony tail off while he was asleep & him kicking up a fuss after what he done to JBL LOL.
@@joemama7163 I didn't realise the punctuation police was about (you) but your sister's got no problem with my punctuation if you get my drift 'cause that's the way aha aha she likes it aha aha LOL.
Welcome to the exciting world of sports charter flights. Where no matter what the sport, once the plane leaves the ground, and the seatbelt sign goes off, all hell breaks loose.
Interesting whenever there is a plane flight about inappropriate actions, its wrestlers But there are countless stories of Hollywood and Music Industry celebrities doing the same and in some cases worse than this
@@bojakai2102, Rome didn't fall in a day, also there are people trying to keep their gravy trains going, actively working against exposing these sick fucks all over.
My wife HATES this story but I was a transport (equipment) driver for Lehman racings IHRA Top Fuel dragster team when they won the Championship in 2001. We were in Charlotte NC for one of the finals and Ric Flair ended up in the pits area (where we prepped cars). It was nothing unusual (Bill Goldberg is a HUGE drag racing fan) but the day Flair showed up he was acting like a complete ASS towards everybody!! Clay MILLICAN was our driver and the racing fans that had pit passes were in their little area. Of course here comes Ric and he gets the usual "crowd goes wild" reception and he was supposed to sign autographs and do pics but he stayed just long enough to shake the teams hands and off he went!! The fans were PISSED!!
I think it’s mixing up two stories. If my memory is correct there was another flight from Germany back to USA where vince got hammered and wrestled angle. Taker woke up and thought it was legit and choked angle put. I was always led to believe vince wasn’t on that flight where it all kicked off
Not many people in the WWE have taken as much shit as JR has had to. The dude has Carte blanche in my eyes to completely take a dump on WWE and their practices, but he is a true professional! Always been positive!
Vince and Kurt wrestling on a plane was from the trip back to the US after Insurexxion 2001. It was the time Taker got his ear stitched up and he was the one who choked Kurt out.
@@marcespinoza6068 Yes Kurt would have tried him in knots but it's not like Undertaker snuck up behind him like some ninja 😂 Kurt was on top of McMahon and Taker grabbed him off him.
Answered so many questions for me about why certain things happened. Why some ppl disappeared from the company around that time... Pissed me off, too. Lol! What a great episode.
Dustin also made a pass at her too, that has also been confirmed by others in interviews too. Naturally they are not going dive into Dustin though when they have JR and Jericho on DSOTR
I remember my friend telling me about this ages ago. Haven't watched the episode yet, but I'm going to after this, lol. Also, I loved Jim's line about being acceptable in the 80's, made me think of OSW.
Jay: What Bar....... is a "stuck in a private jet, messy, busted-open" JBL? V1: Well Jay, he's got pale skin, black hair, crimson blood........ I say.. he's a VALRHONA, Noir Guanaja 70% Cacao Dark Chocolate Bar.
“They were out of the wrestling bubble and let loose in the real world, and nobody knew how to act.” I’m guessing this change (i.e. the mass acceptance of wrestling into common pop culture), corresponds to Shawn Michaels getting his ass handed to him by soldiers. “Who the fuck is you talking to my girl? I’m a REAL fighter. BAM!!!”
Well Shawn was never known for being an actual fighter or knowing how to fight Because there are wrestlers who’d take apart many men with ease back in the day and nowadays(with the exception of most of aews roster espailly that Phil guy who you should have used for your analogy rather than Shawn)
@@poopsyko rue that. Shawn wasn’t known for being a fighter, hence my use of him to illustrate Jim’s point that this was a turning point where these (older) guys realized they had been big fish in small ponds, but were now swimming in much bigger waters. As for the older wrestlers (back in the day), I figure if they’re fighters they’d know when they’re out of their league, which is why they’re remembered as winners. I think modern wrestlers have a better understanding of their place, given the popularity of MMA. This is the best approximation where those worlds all collided together.
The story truly is that coveted. When i saw the name of the episode i said "OHHHH SHIT" and thought about all the backlash garunteed to happen...and here we are.
They should do a Darkside of the Ring on Jim Cornette. His fights with fans ... him being attacked by fans, Jim having a police record etc. Didn't Jim absolutely smash a mentally challenged kid back in the eighties with his loaded racket? Made him bleed like a stuck pig. Would be a great episode.
Same, when Terri was telling her story, I couldn't stop thinking about the Piper interview, where he talks about how he thought Pat Patterson wasn't a fan of his. Really is a fucked up business.
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27:34 - Really just want to commend Jim for being open and honest about mistakes he's made, and being aware of changing times. He made be a fusty purist at times (or most of the time), but I can't help but respect a man who acknowledges his faults and owns them.
But that's what you're supposed to do so why is that commendable? Its expected. The bare minimum. Im supposed to stop at red lights and i do so do i get a prize?
@@owainmorgan3897 don't matter who does or how many do and don't. I see what you're saying but i don't understand the concept of commending someone for doing what they're supposed to do
The problem is people under 25 can sit there on their keyboards judging and condescending others that they don’t know and don’t acknowledge their own garbage
@@devonsosa8350 Is that what he is supposed to do? Why, because you say so? You stop at red lights, you do get a prize, you get to live and your car isn't destroyed.
@@john-tobeymaguirecena Dude she wouldn't have won that case unless there was clear video evidence. You got a stewardess, whose boss probably sided with the wealthy client, against a mega corporation with a fleet of lawyers and no wrestlers willing to side with her (if no one told Ric to stop while it happened, no one would put their job in jeopardy for the case). I'm not saying she should have taken the money, but I don't she had any other options other than lose money in a case she most likely would lose.
@@GeekExtremist she took the money cause that’s all it was about. They were drinking and partying the night before with the wrestlers. What do you think they were doing with a bunch of wrestlers late night with beer and drugs? Same thing happened to Kobe and Tyson. It’s a cash grab. If it wasn’t they would’ve pursued justice wether they thought they’d win or not
I think its safe to say that ric flair is an amazing talent in the ring but outside the ring he's an utterly garbage human being who has no self control. He should be retired living on easy street in the bahamas with millions in the bank but he blew every last dime he had on high living, divorce settlements, lawsuits from angry ex-business partners and hilariously bad investments that were for the most part hilariously obvious scams that a ten year old could've figured out.
@@jpowers55 It wouldn't surprise me if she has to financially support him like he is her underage child and he just guilt trip her into not paying her back.
Every story I’ve heard Freebird tries pissing on Linda. I doubt Linda would be there without Vince. The attendant also recalls Vince being on the flight.
it was great to see the ad for Dark Side of the Ring on TNT. I watched Big Daddy too afterwards on the channel. I used to watch that with my dad but yeah looking forward to the next Dark Side Of The Ring episode. 👍
You mean the job he was literally paying him a salary to do......Clearly you have no clue how businesses work, if the owner of the company hires someone to deal with talent, its literally that person's job to babysit them if need be.
Ric Flair used to frequent my friends bar in Charlotte. I've heard many a funny story about that poor bastard. My sister worked at the hotel his son died in. She was there that day. Later that day I had a verbal altercation with Ric's third wife at the bar I worked at.
There's an episode on Chris Kanyon this week. It will be interesting to see if the episode corroborates the rumours that he was subjected to a lot of backstage abuse while at WWE for being gay.
@@TakerKaneanite619 The rumour is that Undertaker was one of the main guys giving him a hard time, which would be out of line with how Undertaker is usually thought about as a backstage person, which is as a locker room leader who kept the talent in line, and is generally hugely respected throughout the industry. And as the season finale, we get the WWF steroid trial. Vince McMahon was acquitted in that trial, and it's all a matter of public record, but I would say it's still not the kind of the thing the WWE would want brought back into the public consciousness. Personally, the one I'm most looking forward to is the one about Luna. Such a brilliant talent and one who never really got her fair shake.
I just saw a meme of you drinkin a sprite under Ric’s MugShot titled “After new people find out about the plane ride , finally Cornette is no longer getting shitted on”. 😭💀
The "Boys will be boys" thing really goes out the window once it involves people outside that circle. I was military and we did mess with new guys (not to that extent) and did dumb shit all the time, but we can't act that way if someone's kid/wife/civilian was around at all since we'd look bad.
@@Helmer54 Stuff happens, nobody died or was maimed. The women and her husband was jewelry thieves... It's not that serious all things considered. I'm the minority though.
People ask "Why didn't Vince do anything", but if my memory's right and this was the same flight, Vince was kind of a part of all the chaos himself being all he was concerned about was pinning Kurt Angle
Because Terri said it as like a side comment. Unfortunately that's probably happened a lot to her and there was no way a guy like Lesnar was getting reprimanded for that. So Terri is probably compartmentalizing it in a way and it comes off as not important even though that said a lot.
I haven’t watched it yet but did Brock expose himself to her OR did he expose himself to others on the plane and she happened to witness it, you know what I mean? Was it targeted exclusively towards her?
@@Drummer8282 wasn't on the flight. Was in an arena at an event. Her name was called to come and she stepped i to the locker room where the voice came from and Lesnar was standing there facing her with just a towel and exposed himself directly at her. Dustin (ex-husband) was also there, saw it happen and pleaded with her to just "no sell" and ignore it and they both did just that.
I feel so bad for JR man. He shouldn’t have had to be the babysitter of them. And he still took responsibility. Hes a damn good human being and nobody has ever said anything bad about him
@@chrischar9428 You'd be surprised how many people in that job would try to weasel their way out of responsibility for stuff they're responsible for, let alone stuff that wasn't their fault.
Wasn’t it a month or so ago wrestling fans was having a good time with Ric on Twitter about the train pic & now they wanna cancel him. Was Ric wrong yes, let’s not act like this is the first time we’ve heard about Ric & his antics. Flair talked nightly about what he was going to with women after the matches & people cheered him for it.
@@michaelvincent7115 And there's always the idiot who randomly has to bring up trump when it has nothing to do with it. I'll take a guy who says mean things to women over a guy who leaves them behind to be killed and raped any day.
Flair and others only talked about women who wanted to be with him. Hearing him force himself without consent was not known. If it was your wife, gf, or daughter you'd want to kill him before the cops could arrest the guy.
Remember a week or two ago when Jim and Brian wondered why the WWE let go of Rick Flair? The office knew this episode would hurt Rick Flair's image (rightly so).
I'm with Cornette, I'm incredulous to believe that nobody in authority on the plane coulda easily put a stop to it. It was JR's job to handle the talent, but he was talking like his hands were tied. Like he was some low level jabronie.
Guys like JR, Pritchard, Brisco, etc. all have an extensive history in the business. There's still some level of "the boys" in them even if they're now management. So they're only going to go so far when disciplining the boys.
Same guy man! Now the boys that’s a different story but Jim was a business man all the way when I was around him! I’m in Ky to he even talks about being in my town!
Oh he has in various podcasts. Thing was, Jim was never much of a drinker and stayed away from drugs. Any stories involving “temporary companionship” were likely all done clean and sober.
Jim isn't a party guy, but Jim has anger problems and can explode. That guy who got every piece glass on his car broken by a bat and the outlaw mud show promoter who he tried to kill with his car can attest to that.
I hate to say this about Jim, but his implied views towards women don't lend itself to people having a high bar on his views on sexual assault by men he idolises.
Being fair to RVD, he was never top-billing. The business has always valued the high-profile guys, and quick to shove the lower-profile guys to the side. Fuck, look how many chances Jeff Hardy keeps getting. I don't blame the guy for keeping his head down to keep pulling a check.
Did Michael Hayes ever find out it was X-Pac that cut his pony tail off? Then pinned it to Hayes locker room door. That was hilarious. X-Pac holding it above his head like he just won the title. 🤣
The best part was after the plane landed Hayes was running around yelling and threatening everyone until Jerry Brisco got sick of it and threw his bags down and told Hayes even thought he didn't do it, he'd fight him just to make him stfu and Hayes backed off and shut up.
Yep. The poor lady that had to work the drive-thru that night. She needs justice now. How dare Jim talk to a woman like that, he needs to apologize immediately.
@@mauricioreal7384 He's the CEO of the company and activity that happens at company sanctioned events, including travel, is his responsibility. The company chartered this flight. Had this happened on a regular public flight that he wasn't a part of, then he wouldn't be the least bit culpable.
Guys over on Wrestlelamia were bragging about “being OGs” and hearing about it on Behind the Titan Tron. I first heard about it on the dirt sheets shortly after it happened 20 years ago.
Well thank god you heard it on the dirt sheets so you could one up someone on the internet. See, everything pays off in the end mister... that name can't be accurate.
Wrestlamia? No guys over there. Just ppl with really shitty voices. Sounds like they gargling marbles. I'd watch thier content if they could pronounce words. And the monotone makes it worse when they try to throw lil barbs at stuff they don't like holy shit. Whoever heard them talk and said "you should narrate videos" should apologize to all of us
I would like to see a dark side of the ring on Verne gagne especially later on in life but what he meant to the business and what he didn't mean to the business how Vince pillaged his company and became super successful
Jim Ross sounded so…deflated speaking about it. I feel for him, he was put in a position no one should’ve been in and still took all the responsibility.
Well he finally got canned from WWE for good because Flair drank too much at an interview showcase. He got screwed by a ton of people.
Anyone in his position was screwed. The only person that could have gotten all the wrestlers to sit the eff down would have been Vince.
You know Vince sent JR, instead of going himself; was due to legal reasons. “I can claim I didn’t know it happened, and I didn’t see anything”.
@@stanmarsh4566 First thing, Meltzer said it so it’s not coming from a phenomenal source. Also, just saying plenty more have said he was on the plane. Either way fucked situation.
@@stanmarsh4566 tbh Coachman seems more reliable saying Vince wasn’t, since ya know…he was on the plane.
Man, you can hear Jims heart breaking trying to explain why Ric Flair is/was the way he is within this context 😔
@@toniog2626 funny thing is i can imagine Flair being friends with the kind of people youd see on the sopranos, and not mentioning why flair got away with things was within JR's best interests
Rick flair is that way cause….well, drugs. Plus he’s rich and famous so he’s used to getting everything he wants, including booty…..I just don’t get why try and force a woman. There’s millions who woulda gave that 🐱 up for free and millions more you could pay 😂
Ric Flair became a mark for himself and believed the hype.
The TRUE reason is because the WWE higher ups let him get away with it and Jim could not do anything about it.
@@toniog2626 clearly you don't get what that means.
Jim did a great job pointing out how the wrestlers let the fame go to their heads an make complete fools of themselves.
they were drunk, the airline were more than happy to give them a free bar so they get what they deserve
@@fwef7445 you conveniently ignored the fact that the wrestlers themselves said the flight attendants were powerless to stop them from drinking. They poured the alcohol themselves and were willing to do anything and pay anything to get what they wanted.
@@GotAnUmbrella I recall an interview from a decade ago where Justin Credible, who lived the experience, stated that it was the first and only time WWE ever chartered a private plane where they had it entirely to themselves. On a regular commercial flight most of them would have been kicked off before it left the ground.
@Demonic Chorus Grow a pair.
Just like Jim did in a Dairy Queen drive-thru and everywhere else.
I feel bad for JR he’s constantly surrounded by man-children
He himself sexually harassed missy Hyatt back in wcw
It’s to be expected when you hire a bunch of kids with massive amounts of testosterone, fuel them up with as many drugs as you possibly can to keep them docile enough to pay them minimally, not mandate any company policy on behavior and then put them on a international flight with endless amount of alcohol. Not to mention the drugs they already had. I’m actually surprised the plane didn’t crash. If anybody should be held responsible, Vince should be priority number one. He was the one hiring these doctors that would feed the wrestlers any drugs they wanted in any amounts. Ruined a lot of their lives, then ditches them like they never existed. Vince is just very lucky that nobody died on his watch, because had they in an investigation had been launched especially if they found drugs in their system, it would’ve been game over for the WWF/WWE.
@@thejoker7239 doubt it
@@MeltWithU Exactly right.
@@nh7680 look it and I believe Conrad and bitch off ( 😂) talked about it on their podcast
They are gonna make a dark side of the ring about the fallout of this episode of dark side of the ring.
I hope the randy orton bagshitting episode comes out first
I doubt they’ll be making anymore darkside of the rings after this season. Who’s gonna want to talk to them accept the AEW guys
@@bodhi8297 well there is a grip of aew wrestlers who worked for the wwe...??lol
@@bodhi8297 exactly. They have the most heat ever!
Not if their ratings keep dropping. This show was rated the lowest. How ironic.
Once again Jim Cornette breaks things down in the wrestling world for casual listeners better than anybody else! Maybe Jim Crockett had the right idea about buying a private plane!
Yeah I agree, really surprised by most of the comments here. Feels like Twitter. People saying they lost respect for Cornette because they took the over dramatized words of a jewelry thief as gospel
@@sacredsteeler I don't know who the "jewelry thief" you are talking about is, but I lost respect for Cornette on my own solely because of his stubborn staunch defense of the world of kayfabe that, in my firm belief, is what led to incidents like this. Back in the 80s and before, people like Ric Flair were told they had be their wrestling persona 24/7, and this led to guys like Flair never being told that there has to be a time when you dial it back once the ring lights go off. Ric Flair acted like Ric Flair on that flight because by this point in his life he didn't know how to be anything else. And there is no doubt in my mind there were several incidents far worse than this back in the 80s NWA that we'll never know about, yet Cornette keeps defending the very culture that bred such disasters. This is WHY kayfabe need to die for good and all, this is why wrestlers need to be allowed to be their own selves away from the ring and wrestling fans need to accept it. And thankfully there are a growing number of wrestlers today who understand that, including Ric Flair's own daughter. I'd much rather know my favorite stars are spending their downtime playing video games than getting drunk and looking for cheap sex every night.
@@rowdycmoore do some research on that flight attendant. You're going to be surprised, trust. A pure con-man or con-woman if that's more appropriate these days
@@rowdycmoore "Heidi Doyle" shes a known criminal con
@@rowdycmoore The flight attendant Heidi Doyle was found out to have stolen around $80,000 in jewelry and had been arrested and is now a convicted felon so that's why when you see her, she has a shit eating grin.
The stupidest thing Dreamer said was comparing someone trying to force you to touch their no-no square to someone being offended by is double ponytail.. poor choice of comparison..
His comments as well as his ponytails offended me...
Absolutely atrocious... I just watched it. I was like, "Sir, are u fuckin serious?!?" 🤨🤨🤨 Ohhhh, that had me hot!
That poor woman! U can tell even NOW that she's still conflicted about how everything went down... She's still questioning whether, in the aftermath, she made the right decision to hold those ppl involved accountable. Smh.
I cringed
Extremely disappointing for me, man-child that's only been into wrestling for a few years and has watched SO MUCH Dreamer this year.
Just to be clear, even the get rich quick chick said that flair didn't force her to do anything, nor did she believe he would have.
I definitely felt for JR in that episode poor guy being put in that position to babysit a bunch of drunk and out of control wrestlers on a plane you can tell that he was done having to relive and tell the story again and who could blame him.
I agree.. I felt for him when he said it shouldn't have been part of his responsibility to have to try and get them to act like fucking respectful adults... You could tell he has some guilt about the events that transpired and honestly it wasn't his fault.. he tried his best.
@Ray Rictor
& a stun gun 4 the more hostile folks.
WHY would someone "have to" babysit drunks..?.. they are all adults - let the chips fall where they may.
It really does suck for JR. Not much he can do to control that fiasco realistically. So having to answer for it and hold some accountability for it because of his job as the VP of Talent Relations sucks for him. This doesn’t fall on him because he realistically doesn’t have the control to do so but some of the glaring issue is just the clear double standard for punishment of the behavior on the flight.
Obviously top tier names get away with more than others which is applicable to most anything honestly. But I think the punishments that were levied was a black eye coming out of the events. Hennig and Lesnar wrestle, albeit started by Hennig, which gets Hennig released and Lesnar faces no punishment. Scott got released which makes sense - his substance issues had him on a short leash the moment he came in so that one I get. Goldist was fined which I think was fair. But obviously the black eye is Ric who apparently faced no punishment at all. But the disparity of discipline is one of the tough things with this. Two of the older guys who were known to use substances before get let go but then two others who are big names or high up seemingly face no punishment at all.
That’ll always be a poor look by implicitly saying that if you’re a big enough name you don’t face consequences. Sadly it hasn’t really changed. There are examples of where the leeway turned out good - like Randy Orton. But you’ll also see guys like Jeff Hardy or Jimmy Uso have major fuck ups and for the most part walk with a slap on the wrist. It’s always going to be an indictment that some guys can have a public intox, followed shortly by a DUI, and keep their job or have multiple DUI arrests within a couple years and keep their job while others just get cut without a second thought.
Took place almost 20 years ago and it was settled out of court.
Shocked there was not a non disclosure agreement in the settlement.
Those agreements have expiration dates. They aren't permanent. Standard is 10-15 years.
Look at Stormy Daniel's NDA, it's not worth the paper it's printed on.
@@newking70 that's because multiple times in court, judges have ruled that trump lies so much you can say what ever you want about him. Same exact thing about Courtney love. It's why people can make documentary's about how she murdered Kurt Cobain and she can't do shit about it
This is a question that is being asked . She didn’t revel the amount . David Bixebspan posted the court document that shows the case was closed . Settlement .
The lawsuit was for all the physical abuse and verbal abuse that they had to endure . In the Darkside of the ring episode, correct me if I’m wrong, The former flight attendant Heidi, when talking about suing WWE, she never stated exact terms of the lawsuit
@@peterwelby you are correct. Being silenced by the courts only last so long.
"Don't sell it" was a lesson from my dad regarding bullies after I came home crying from school. Of course he didn't use that phrase, but it was the same idea: if you show them that it bothers you, they will keep doing it. When I started no-selling it, that shit stopped.
How do you shut a bully up? Punch him in the face. Jacques Rougeau proved that with the Dynamite Kid.
@@A-Man79 That only works in wrestling or with family. In the real world you'd lose everything punching a civilian "bully". Say your peace and keep it moving, maybe sleep with their wife or act like you did so they'll initiate the fight
@@A-Man79 Haha, exactly. Bonus points for a roll of quarters.
No-selling it never worked for me. They just escalated their bullying until I did.
@@televiper11 I feel you... Had to hurt one really badly to end their shit.
I was waiting to hear.... "We thought the plane was on fire from all the smoke, but nope... RVD just has the bathroom occupied"
I feel like if he did just lock himself in the bathroom and clambaked himself the whole time; that means he was still the most well behaved person on the flight not named Jim Ross.
That goes to show Marijuana does keep you out of trouble..
The mile high club for real
No one gets higher than Rob Van Dam.
I wonder if rvd ever gave someone a brownie with weed baked in it !
This is why I love Jim. Whether you agree with his opinions or not, he can at least verbalize them with a lot of thought and context. He doesn't always see things objectively (that's an understatement) but when pressed to try to explain something, he'll do his best. He did a FAR better job than Tommy fucking Dreamer did.
The darkest part was about the H-bombing, I know RVD didn't want to say names but he sure has seem some stuff.
that made me physically turn away from the screen in disgust to think that some of my favorite wrestlers might have done that
@@NoirTech83 It’s fine being a fan of wrestlers...but remember...we don’t actually KNOW these guys, or what they do on the road or with women
Dark side season 4 "RVD names names".
Not too mention right after that a old Beefcake interview resurfaced with him saying the rockers were notorious for doing that to women and taking advantage of them. I’m hoping someone speaks up if Shawn and Marty were really doing things that sickening
@@Junketsuadidas Completely got me looking at both Michaels & Janettey differently. Smh
If The Ultimate Warrior did what Ric Flair did on the flight, Corney would be ripping him apart like no tomorrow. Facts.
Exactly
FACTS!
I love Jim for the most part but this is very very true. Same goes for Russo, Meltzer, Hell Tony Khan and any new guys like the Bucks and Kenny, Pockets, Marko Stunt…he’d lose his shit if anything about any of those people came out and bury them even more.
Yes what Ric did was plain wrong but the Warrior had some history and he never respected the business and wasn't liked
@@brettgesell4646 I don't get the "never respected the business" accusation Jim keeps heeping on Warrior. Why? Because he didn't spend 40 years in the business/ He made his money and got out. He never broke kayfabe. Never shitted on the business. Never talked bad about anyone in the business. He was accused of being an asshole but so was Hogan and Flair. Flair has used the n word, skipped out on paying his bills and taxes, cheated on his wives, and now is being accused of sexual harassment but Warrior is the piece of the shit? I like Flair and know what he did is part of who he is but don't shit on someone else while sticking up for someone who has done way worse.
I don't know what was more disturbing. What the wrestlers did on the plane, or Tommy dreamer comparing a bad haircut to sexual harassment🤦♂️. Those chairshots in ECW have finally taken their toll.
People need to stop calling what happened to her "harassment", it was assault.
I think Tommy Dreamer was kind of trying to say what Jim said here 1000 times better... that Ric Flair wasn't consciously trying to sexually harass anyone, that he was just living his gimmick and didn't realize the poor flight attendant wasn't in on the joke.
But Jesus Christ, we're talking about a guy cornering an unwilling girl and forcing her to touch his penis. That's SO FAR beyond any "I didn't know she wasn't in on the joke" or "people get offended by anything" excuses it's unreal. Yeah, I guess it's better that Ric did it out of ignorance and not out of malice, but only so much better.
@@wloffblizz I think it shows his (Ric's) limited emotional/intellectual IQ if that's the case (and it may well be the case). I've never thought, drunk or sober, that forcing myself against a girl I didn't know & making her grab my cock was ever a "joke". Don't get me wrong, I've had female friends that used to grab me or I grab them as a joke, but that's the point, we were friends & knew each others level.
@@kevoconnor145 Assault hahaha cop on, she wanted the natch.
@@Sam1c9797 Neanderthal thinking like that is why so many women are assaulted & raped, because bellends like you think they want it.
Dreamer truly is a hardcore legend. Instead of shooting himself in the foot, he shot himself in the face with a cannon.
"I can take them both because I'm hardcore!"
agreed. he looked like such an ass in this episode.
This is the WWE's version of Motley Crue. This is WWE's Dirt, and personally I want to see it made into a movie.
Just imagine the movie Airplane, but with all 2002 WWF/WWE wrestlers. It'd be fucking hilarious.
🤣🤣
I bet this can be made into a porno, too.
Hopefully not as bad a show as Dirt.
@@bled83 sorry but Dirt was great. One opinion won't change my mind.
Jim Ross, Justin Credible, RVD came off the best out of this.
RVD opened a can of worms with the H-bomb comment.
@@gqn2 tremendously so.
@@Breakthemallsdown rob specifically said he didn't take part in that. Actually watch it before you comment.
@@Breakthemallsdown it obviously was not an endorsement
Agree
In my opinion, they need to make a dark side of the ring on Davey Boy Smith, his issues need to be heard. I don't think a lot of people understand what he went through. I think the perfect people to be in that documentary would be the Billington kids, and Harry, and Georgia, and Diana, and Bret.
There's so much nuance in the way Jim looks at wrestling. Embracing the grey. What a champ!
I am near the end of the show now and they showed that WWF transition to WWE bush cutting ad. I remember watching that live. Some nostalgia there.
I can see it in my head. Get the F out 😁gonna watch it now
@@samkruse7920 👏😅
th-cam.com/video/nO-tEeQLFRY/w-d-xo.html = First WWE Raw Intro after WWF (1 mins. 20 sec.) - by: Cristian Javier B' López on Jan 12, 2012
What we've all been waiting for
He already talked with him months ago
What are we waiting for!?!?
@@OmegaRedFan you aren't the sharpest tool in the shed are you lol 😂😂
@@OmegaRedFan love me like you do :(
The Flair court settlement was on the local news here in NC back then so it wasn't a secret
Which is why I don’t understand why he’s being cancelled! He literally settled in court, the shit is 20 years in the past. I can’t stand liberals
@@TheBigChad exactly, they want to cancel everyone for everything
@@selfishstockton6123 But Did Republicans Cancel Kaepernick because he kneel during the National Anthem? Funny...
@@TheBigChad Also Bill Cosby got canceled even though he settled out of court over a decade and a half ago and he still went to Jail years later.. and Guess who pushed that!!?? Conservatives! and yes some liberals too but it was a lot of Conservatives pushing for him to be Canceled and he got canceled in a Red State by a Conservative Judge by a Conservative DA.. You Guys kill me trying to blame Cancel Culture on liberals when you guys Cancel people all the time.. The Reason you guys are mad cause it's the people you like are getting Canceled..
@@TheBigChad It's got nothing to do with liberals, conservatives have a long history of cancel culture!
If you watch the Darkside episode, you don't get the full story about why Michael Hayes got his ponytail cut. He had been burying Sean Waltman in booking meetings and volunteering younger talent to do dangerous stunts like the one that killed Owen Hart.
I was a little surprised to hear RVD kinda casually admit that the drugging and raping of unconscious women was, well, just part of the culture. Unfortunately , that sort of thing isn't unique to pro wrestlers.
Agreed! I was beginning to wonder if I was the only one who heard him admit that! Yikes!😳
Like how does that not warrant a game of “pick a hand”? At the very least how do you not alert the woman the guy was trying to rape her? RVD had stroke in ECW and, to a lesser extent, WWE. A lot of dudes would have stopped doing it just for fear of losing their jobs. He is also a legit kickboxer who is built like a fucking truck. Plenty of dudes would’ve knocked it off out of fear.
You mis-heard what RVD said. It's still weird as hell, but he said some women wanted to be drugged and let the guys "have their way with them". That's not rape. Both people in that situation have some serious issues either way.
RVD Is refreshingly honest. Think he’s a good dude just telling what he saw.
Nobody ever said girls "wanted to be drugged" and assaulted. That's not a fantasy anyone would have in the first place. If a person's unconscious, they can't consent, and if you have sex with a person who hasn't consented, that's exactly what rape is. It's not a matter of opinion, that's literally how it works.
Now I'm starting to see why Vince wanted to go PG
Now that is the funniest thing I have heard since they aired this episode.
Shit, it’s a good point. When you look at all the negative events that happened in 5 years, you can see how he can sense the whole thing falling off a cliff sooner than later. From a business angle, better a slow death than having the whole operation collapse under its own weight.
PG is gay.
I Think This And The Benoit Incident,Was The Final Straw.
Clearly Vince got a few of his stooges to tell people he wasn’t on the plane to try to avoid this controversy
You do know most of these stories came from heavy drinkers, drug abusers and people who qualifies for AARP these days?
Tommy Dreamer used to take a cheese grater to the face. Nobody accused him of being bright.
He’s already been suspended for his comments made on this episode.
This really was good to hear. I needed someone to make this make sense to me.
If u did.... u need HELP
JR sounded dead inside recounting the events so it must've been completely wrong on that flight & traumatizing too
'traumatizing' lol so soft
@@HypervoxelRBX I know, he wasn’t traumatised, he was embarrassed.
@@HypervoxelRBX have you been around a junkie before? Now imagine a plane full of roided up toddler level junkies.
@@Pahricida They found some needles on the plane, sheesh they really gotta have their roids. I also head that WWE had stopped regular drug testing by the early 2000's so drug abuse was even more rampant than normal (Benoit's death led to drug testing resuming).
I think JR ever since then has regretted the WWE giving the whole roster it's own private luxury flight for a transatlantic trip. As Cornette says, it made them feel like rock stars with no boundaries or rules to follow, and they were on that plane for a long time, long enough to get wasted, pass out, play elaborate jokes, harass the flight crew, allow tempers to flare and fists to fly.
Teri has said the best advice she got was from Paul Heyman "Kayfabe. Kay...Fabe". So yeah that's being taken way out of context. It's not just wrestling and it's not just a gender issue. Kids are constantly told to no sell bullies.
Yeah I agree, really surprised by most of the comments here. Feels like Twitter. People saying they lost respect for Cornette because they took the over dramatized words of a jewelry thief as gospel
I appreciate Jim . He is dead on. This was 2002. Not the 80s . Ric flair has no excuse.
I would say even if it were the 80s there is still no excuse.
@@horusrage we'll said
@@horusrage In the 80s they'd have laughed him out of the business for having to do that shit.
@@horusrage JC would glorify those good old times though where the boys where boys
Curious why the producers ignored that Dustin Runnels was accused of sexual assault during that flight. It’s in a lawsuit from another of the attendants,
Because he works for AEW.
Maybe the other flight attendant didn't want it outed?
Because it was the other flight attendant and she may not have wanted to be dragged back into this after 20 years.
More than likely because they couldn't find coroberating stories. If you notice everything they used here had a corroborating witness confirm it so people couldn't try to pull he said, she said shit.
@Ugk Abn Nope I watch AEW.
You know somebody is really out of hand when Jim Cornette is a voice of reason.
Lol
Mr. Cornette is a Living Legend 💯
So Flair didn't just make a fool out of himself, he forcibly put her hand on him. There's no "he didn't know he was offending her." That's pretty black and white and doesn't require context. If you're being forced to do something you don't want to do, there's no "well, let's try to understand the nuance of it."
Yeah honestly Cornette comes off as having some pretty antiquated views here. Not nearly as much as Dreamer did but still, he’s not quite getting it.
Nah, she wanted it. It's Flair.
There is nothing wrong with coercion, you libertarian degenerate.
This is an old story. It was in the local news when the settlement was reached. Flair on a regular bases would get drunk and naked after a match at the hotel.
@@JustMe-yu6uu have you ever thought of acting like a grown man?
Shit's going down...and not in somebody's duffel bag!
That's Orton's dept
Tommy dreamer sounded as if he was proud about the plane ride from hell…..
Have to understand, he wasn’t born into the PC world that’s been created around him. I wouldn’t see him as being proud of it, more like not seeing what’s the big deal. As proud as people have become over this vanilla world thats been created, there are cultures that have existed around the world that would be plotting taking us over because we’re weak.
@@firemarshal2629 Ah, the PC world. Is that the one where you don't drug people with Halcion and force yourself on women?
@UC6SNZmng-3ULlxptfisVNiA “You weirdos are the generation into all that shit”
Apparently not if the generation who actively did stuff like that predates the one you’re speaking of
Lmao dude deleted his comment
And gushing over Flair's "hammer".
I would love to see a dark side Haku episode all the stories about him omg
Yes yes and yes!!!
Get Tama and Tanga on the episode too lmao
I appreciate Cornette stating his feelings and bias toward Flair. However, Ric Flair is an adult. If it is true Flair did not "mean to offend" the reality was obviously the opposite and monstrously bad judgment. Be it design or default.
impact>intent
The thing is that you don't act the same around everyone. And you don't assume that it's ok to do something around random strangers because your buddies or co-workers think it's funny.
@@ryanjacobson2508
If only half of the youtube 'influencers' would get that memo but alas...
I’m sure working at WWE shaved a lot of years off JR. All of the crap, deaths, and controversy… he deserves more than he’s given
I may not like AEW but I'll give them credit for not putting JR thorough hell.
@@38dragonblade Yet
@@redspiralray2880 true
Did you watch the episode my man J.R. is chillin in his ocean front castle....while I do agree the WWE shave years off his life lets not pretend as if the man is destitute. JR is a rich man and has been for years.
@@38dragonblade I got it! JR interviews Marko Stunt and the interview ends with Stunt putting him in the Mandible Claw AND setting him on fire.
The funniest story was about Michael Hayes reopening JBL's cut by punching him whilst he was sleeping & JBL waking up & knocking Michael Hayes out by slapping or back handing him & X Pac cutting Michael Hayes pony tail off while he was asleep & him kicking up a fuss after what he done to JBL LOL.
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@@jcc3333 I didn't ask for your opinion 🖕
Punctuation ffs, try it.
@@joemama7163 I didn't realise the punctuation police was about (you) but your sister's got no problem with my punctuation if you get my drift 'cause that's the way aha aha she likes it aha aha LOL.
@@joemama7163 Didn't yo mama teach you to mind your own business Joe ffs try it LOL.
"Some people calls it the plane ride from Hell. I calls it the plane ride from Hades, mmhmm."
-Karl Childers
Welcome to the exciting world of sports charter flights.
Where no matter what the sport, once the plane leaves the ground, and the seatbelt sign goes off, all hell breaks loose.
Interesting whenever there is a plane flight about inappropriate actions, its wrestlers
But there are countless stories of Hollywood and Music Industry celebrities doing the same and in some cases worse than this
@@bojakai2102, Rome didn't fall in a day, also there are people trying to keep their gravy trains going, actively working against exposing these sick fucks all over.
@@flavaj13 yeah these women will say anything for money despite how terrible it is to do to an innocent Man. Disgusting
My wife HATES this story but I was a transport (equipment) driver for Lehman racings IHRA Top Fuel dragster team when they won the Championship in 2001. We were in Charlotte NC for one of the finals and Ric Flair ended up in the pits area (where we prepped cars). It was nothing unusual (Bill Goldberg is a HUGE drag racing fan) but the day Flair showed up he was acting like a complete ASS towards everybody!! Clay MILLICAN was our driver and the racing fans that had pit passes were in their little area. Of course here comes Ric and he gets the usual "crowd goes wild" reception and he was supposed to sign autographs and do pics but he stayed just long enough to shake the teams hands and off he went!! The fans were PISSED!!
I think it’s mixing up two stories. If my memory is correct there was another flight from Germany back to USA where vince got hammered and wrestled angle. Taker woke up and thought it was legit and choked angle put. I was always led to believe vince wasn’t on that flight where it all kicked off
That plane ride back from Saudi Arabia could be considered the most recent plane ride from hell
Not many people in the WWE have taken as much shit as JR has had to.
The dude has Carte blanche in my eyes to completely take a dump on WWE and their practices, but he is a true professional! Always been positive!
How is it professional to take a job to mange people and then say managing people isn't your job?
@@bigk24 He's not supposed to be a chaperone.
Hopefully he's having a much better time with the AEW wrestlers. He deserves a break.
Vince and Kurt wrestling on a plane was from the trip back to the US after Insurexxion 2001. It was the time Taker got his ear stitched up and he was the one who choked Kurt out.
He snuck up on Kurt and got lucky, otherwise Kurt would have tied him in knots.
undertakes is a creep himself bullied people
@@marcespinoza6068 Yes Kurt would have tried him in knots but it's not like Undertaker snuck up behind him like some ninja 😂 Kurt was on top of McMahon and Taker grabbed him off him.
@@AJ-xv7oh Exactly, he got grabbed Kurt when Kurt had no clue he was there.
Answered so many questions for me about why certain things happened. Why some ppl disappeared from the company around that time... Pissed me off, too. Lol! What a great episode.
felt bad for the flight attendant with the whole Ric Flair and Scott Hall thing if true.
RVD confirmed it. So true for sure.
@P1 Styles He's eluded to it in MULTIPLE shoot interviews.
And I spoke with him twenty minutes ago, as well
Dustin also made a pass at her too, that has also been confirmed by others in interviews too. Naturally they are not going dive into Dustin though when they have JR and Jericho on DSOTR
@@SomePotato Damn. I hope its false though. Maybe RVD was high and he was hallucinating or something 😅
He told me he wasn't going to tell you about our conversation.
I remember my friend telling me about this ages ago. Haven't watched the episode yet, but I'm going to after this, lol. Also, I loved Jim's line about being acceptable in the 80's, made me think of OSW.
It was acceptable at the time. Hahaha
Can of coke to yah, mate.
They didn't tell us the colours of Flair's robe so we could play What Bar?
What BAR is this comment?
Jay: What Bar....... is a "stuck in a private jet, messy, busted-open" JBL?
V1: Well Jay, he's got pale skin, black hair, crimson blood........ I say.. he's a VALRHONA, Noir Guanaja 70% Cacao Dark Chocolate Bar.
“They were out of the wrestling bubble and let loose in the real world, and nobody knew how to act.”
I’m guessing this change (i.e. the mass acceptance of wrestling into common pop culture), corresponds to Shawn Michaels getting his ass handed to him by soldiers. “Who the fuck is you talking to my girl? I’m a REAL fighter. BAM!!!”
Well Shawn was never known for being an actual fighter or knowing how to fight
Because there are wrestlers who’d take apart many men with ease back in the day and nowadays(with the exception of most of aews roster espailly that Phil guy who you should have used for your analogy rather than Shawn)
@@poopsyko rue that. Shawn wasn’t known for being a fighter, hence my use of him to illustrate Jim’s point that this was a turning point where these (older) guys realized they had been big fish in small ponds, but were now swimming in much bigger waters.
As for the older wrestlers (back in the day), I figure if they’re fighters they’d know when they’re out of their league, which is why they’re remembered as winners. I think modern wrestlers have a better understanding of their place, given the popularity of MMA. This is the best approximation where those worlds all collided together.
@@poopsyko There's a bunch of stories about Shawn getting his ass kicked at bars by regular guys
The story truly is that coveted. When i saw the name of the episode i said "OHHHH SHIT" and thought about all the backlash garunteed to happen...and here we are.
Who honestly cares?
@@x2bannedyoutubeaccount408 Well you replied so there’s that….
I want the Dairy Queen Incident for the next season of Dark Side. I would love to know where the manager and the girl are now.
They should do a Darkside of the Ring on Jim Cornette. His fights with fans ... him being attacked by fans, Jim having a police record etc. Didn't Jim absolutely smash a mentally challenged kid back in the eighties with his loaded racket? Made him bleed like a stuck pig. Would be a great episode.
As long as they tell the Terry Landel incident!
Kayfabe.
"Don't Sell It"
should be a T-Shirt
I'm wondering when or if they'll cover the Pat Patterson ring boy scandal.
That's the topic I was thinking about recently.
There's no way they aren't prying into that behind the scenes.
That's one that's probably gonna take awhile to be able to properly put it together.
Pat's dead so why not.
If DSOTR cover Benoit, Snuka, Bravo, Dynamite Kid, Grizzly Smith, and several other heavy topics, they’ll probably cover the Ring Boy scandal.
Same, when Terri was telling her story, I couldn't stop thinking about the Piper interview, where he talks about how he thought Pat Patterson wasn't a fan of his. Really is a fucked up business.
When I heard Vince was on board I was stunned. Now the story is out and it doesn't surprise me that Vince's name is getting a back peddal.
I'm just waiting for the allegations from Vince's past to return because of all this.
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@@kshinokevin that was a separate plane ride
@@PhillyLeotardo25 Kurt himself said it was the same? Or at least that they wrestled for 5 hours, on & off, on the Plane Ride From Hell.
I agree. Why didn't Vince go back there and say something?
27:34 - Really just want to commend Jim for being open and honest about mistakes he's made, and being aware of changing times.
He made be a fusty purist at times (or most of the time), but I can't help but respect a man who acknowledges his faults and owns them.
But that's what you're supposed to do so why is that commendable? Its expected. The bare minimum. Im supposed to stop at red lights and i do so do i get a prize?
@@devonsosa8350 Unfortunately, most men don't, myself included 🙁
@@owainmorgan3897 don't matter who does or how many do and don't. I see what you're saying but i don't understand the concept of commending someone for doing what they're supposed to do
The problem is people under 25 can sit there on their keyboards judging and condescending others that they don’t know and don’t acknowledge their own garbage
@@devonsosa8350 Is that what he is supposed to do? Why, because you say so?
You stop at red lights, you do get a prize, you get to live and your car isn't destroyed.
Tommy Dreamer comes off selfish and inconsiderate. Imagine if his wife or daughter went through what Ric Flair put the young lady through.
Dreamers wife was in the wrestling business , she would know how to handle a situation like that with a knee to the groin !
If it were my wife or daughter, we wouldn’t have accepted the *Hush Money*
@@john-tobeymaguirecena Dude she wouldn't have won that case unless there was clear video evidence. You got a stewardess, whose boss probably sided with the wealthy client, against a mega corporation with a fleet of lawyers and no wrestlers willing to side with her (if no one told Ric to stop while it happened, no one would put their job in jeopardy for the case). I'm not saying she should have taken the money, but I don't she had any other options other than lose money in a case she most likely would lose.
@@GeekExtremist I understand you friend. I just think, win or loss, make the stand.
@@GeekExtremist she took the money cause that’s all it was about. They were drinking and partying the night before with the wrestlers. What do you think they were doing with a bunch of wrestlers late night with beer and drugs? Same thing happened to Kobe and Tyson. It’s a cash grab. If it wasn’t they would’ve pursued justice wether they thought they’d win or not
I see why WWE released Flair because they knew this episode was coming out soon
I think that was a coincidence, unless the stories are not true that Ric asked for his release.
@@brandonwhite4992 Flair confirmed he wanted his release
Just watched the episode last night , epic to see these videos uploaded today
I think its safe to say that ric flair is an amazing talent in the ring but outside the ring he's an utterly garbage human being who has no self control.
He should be retired living on easy street in the bahamas with millions in the bank but he blew every last dime he had on high living, divorce settlements, lawsuits from angry ex-business partners and hilariously bad investments that were for the most part hilariously obvious scams that a ten year old could've figured out.
wouldn't surprise me one bit if Charlotte has a higher net worth than her dad right now.
@@jpowers55 It wouldn't surprise me if she has to financially support him like he is her underage child and he just guilt trip her into not paying her back.
Every story I’ve heard Freebird tries pissing on Linda. I doubt Linda would be there without Vince. The attendant also recalls Vince being on the flight.
Not only did they hotshot the wrestling, they also hotshotted the ribs.
it was great to see the ad for Dark Side of the Ring on TNT. I watched Big Daddy too afterwards on the channel. I used to watch that with my dad but yeah looking forward to the next Dark Side Of The Ring episode. 👍
I watched Big Daddy on Wednesday too
Kangawoo song, kangawoo song KANGAWOO SONG
ALRIIIIIGHT.
@@bradcarver8127 Adam Sandler putting a sleeper hold on the delivery guy though 😅
@@kgstc21 Good on yeah Kenny 👊
@@kgstc21 Chief Jay Strongbow 😅
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Serves vince right, thinking Jr can hold these maniacs back like he’s Gandalf the grey.
Umm that kinda what his position at the time was responsible for……Sr VP of Talent Relations. He was in charge of the talent.
You mean the job he was literally paying him a salary to do......Clearly you have no clue how businesses work, if the owner of the company hires someone to deal with talent, its literally that person's job to babysit them if need be.
Agreed. There's an obvious limit to what someone can do with huge cokeheads.
The episode was an unintentional hit piece now Flair and Dreamer are blackballed
Not a hit piece at all
@@fayerson well they say the Kanyon episode won't cast Flair in a good light either
@@TheAJHernandez17 because of the Howard stern exchange ? Again that has been out there for years and it too was stupid and insensitive
Ric Flair used to frequent my friends bar in Charlotte. I've heard many a funny story about that poor bastard. My sister worked at the hotel his son died in. She was there that day. Later that day I had a verbal altercation with Ric's third wife at the bar I worked at.
Unintentional?
Damn, who the hell thought that the plane ride from hell episode was gonna be the episode that caused all this chaos…
There's an episode on Chris Kanyon this week. It will be interesting to see if the episode corroborates the rumours that he was subjected to a lot of backstage abuse while at WWE for being gay.
@@brianm2881 Honestly, after seeing this episode, I wouldn't be surprised. There might be a few more people getting a lot of Backlash.
@@TakerKaneanite619 The rumour is that Undertaker was one of the main guys giving him a hard time, which would be out of line with how Undertaker is usually thought about as a backstage person, which is as a locker room leader who kept the talent in line, and is generally hugely respected throughout the industry.
And as the season finale, we get the WWF steroid trial. Vince McMahon was acquitted in that trial, and it's all a matter of public record, but I would say it's still not the kind of the thing the WWE would want brought back into the public consciousness.
Personally, the one I'm most looking forward to is the one about Luna. Such a brilliant talent and one who never really got her fair shake.
@@brianm2881 I hope they do right by Kanyon. I really do.
@@brianm2881 yup i have a feeling the undertaker is going to end up apologizing to the LGBTQ community lol
I just saw a meme of you drinkin a sprite under Ric’s MugShot titled “After new people find out about the plane ride , finally Cornette is no longer getting shitted on”. 😭💀
Lmao the sprite part took me out
DSotR is awesome to watch I hope they make them forever
Time, context, or tides aren’t an excuse. Pretty disgusting when you look at it without the ‘good old boys lens’.
The "Boys will be boys" thing really goes out the window once it involves people outside that circle. I was military and we did mess with new guys (not to that extent) and did dumb shit all the time, but we can't act that way if someone's kid/wife/civilian was around at all since we'd look bad.
Boys will be boys extends to wacking each other in the nuts and going on about our day.
Rapist defense isnt "boys will be boys"
@@Helmer54 So touching a meat flab is rape now. I'll go back to the 70's now
@@sacredsteeler when she's clearly said no or made it known she's uncomfortable then yeah back up.
@@Helmer54 Stuff happens, nobody died or was maimed. The women and her husband was jewelry thieves... It's not that serious all things considered. I'm the minority though.
@@sacredsteeler you mean forcing
People ask "Why didn't Vince do anything", but if my memory's right and this was the same flight, Vince was kind of a part of all the chaos himself being all he was concerned about was pinning Kurt Angle
Apparently that was a different flight. Still happened but not on this particular one
Totally Different flight
yeah I was under the impression this was the same flight. I swear Taker said he did that on this flight on Last Ride
I feel like Brock exposing himself got ignored way too much
Because Terri said it as like a side comment. Unfortunately that's probably happened a lot to her and there was no way a guy like Lesnar was getting reprimanded for that.
So Terri is probably compartmentalizing it in a way and it comes off as not important even though that said a lot.
I haven’t watched it yet but did Brock expose himself to her OR did he expose himself to others on the plane and she happened to witness it, you know what I mean?
Was it targeted exclusively towards her?
@@Drummer8282 wasn't on the flight. Was in an arena at an event. Her name was called to come and she stepped i to the locker room where the voice came from and Lesnar was standing there facing her with just a towel and exposed himself directly at her. Dustin (ex-husband) was also there, saw it happen and pleaded with her to just "no sell" and ignore it and they both did just that.
The Lesnar thing came over like a normal day to day thing that just happened to women backstage back then. Fuuuuck.
I agree TOTALLY!
The producers were clearly told not to mention anything about Vince on the plane
I feel so bad for JR man. He shouldn’t have had to be the babysitter of them. And he still took responsibility. Hes a damn good human being and nobody has ever said anything bad about him
It's his job
@@chrischar9428 You'd be surprised how many people in that job would try to weasel their way out of responsibility for stuff they're responsible for, let alone stuff that wasn't their fault.
Wasn’t it a month or so ago wrestling fans was having a good time with Ric on Twitter about the train pic & now they wanna cancel him. Was Ric wrong yes, let’s not act like this is the first time we’ve heard about Ric & his antics. Flair talked nightly about what he was going to with women after the matches & people cheered him for it.
People vote for trump too...clearly there is a large part of our population that don't care about women
@@michaelvincent7115 And there's always the idiot who randomly has to bring up trump when it has nothing to do with it.
I'll take a guy who says mean things to women over a guy who leaves them behind to be killed and raped any day.
Flair and others only talked about women who wanted to be with him. Hearing him force himself without consent was not known. If it was your wife, gf, or daughter you'd want to kill him before the cops could arrest the guy.
@@michaelvincent7115 Hopefully Joe will stop droning women and kids.
@@johnjones8888 I wouldn’t even say Trump said mean things, more like they were crass. But yes, I agree with you!
Remember a week or two ago when Jim and Brian wondered why the WWE let go of Rick Flair? The office knew this episode would hurt Rick Flair's image (rightly so).
Huh, a company which makes deals with a murderous misogynistic regime cares about image is the biggest joke.
* Ric
I tend to not take seriously any analysis from someone who can’t manage to correctly spell the name of the main person involved.
WWE had (recently removed) a story time cartoon version of the plane ride with cartoon ric running around the plane flashing people
@@Dr_C_Smith Someone is a troll.
@@AbrahamMiha Don’t you mean ‘trol’?
I can't believe it was never mentioned that this took place months after 9/11.
X Pac is actually on video saying he was on worse flights pre 9/11 where peoples shoe laces got lit on fire
@@tw475 good point never thought of it.!
JR said it best that had the plane ride from hell happened on Delta or United Airlines, the FBI would’ve been waiting for them.
The entire plane flew in Space Mountain
Yes 9 months after 9/11 how in the hell is that relevant to this story?
"First of all. It didn't even have to been an over season flight" - Kevin Nash
Over seas flight, right?
@@heywood903 quad country trip
HERE COMES THE PLANE!
I'll see myself out now.
DA PLANE! DA PLANE!
👏👏
LOADED WITH THE ROCKET FUEL!
Come sit by me buddy 😂😂😂
I'm with Cornette, I'm incredulous to believe that nobody in authority on the plane coulda easily put a stop to it. It was JR's job to handle the talent, but he was talking like his hands were tied. Like he was some low level jabronie.
Exactly he was hired for a job he didn't want to do
Only Vince could’ve done that to the likes of Flair, Taker, etc.
@@G4MBIT JR openly says that Ric Flair was protected. Top level guys/celebrities often get away with crap other people can't.
@@ryanjacobson2508 hence my reasoning behind Vince being the only one who’s able to give them orders.
Guys like JR, Pritchard, Brisco, etc. all have an extensive history in the business. There's still some level of "the boys" in them even if they're now management. So they're only going to go so far when disciplining the boys.
This was 2002, I’m sure “The Louisville Slugger “ has some stories from the 80’s-90’s Midnight Express/Jim Crockett territory days…
Same guy man! Now the boys that’s a different story but Jim was a business man all the way when I was around him! I’m in Ky to he even talks about being in my town!
Soon people are going to be upset at the term "rats"
Oh he has in various podcasts. Thing was, Jim was never much of a drinker and stayed away from drugs. Any stories involving “temporary companionship” were likely all done clean and sober.
Jim isn't a party guy, but Jim has anger problems and can explode. That guy who got every piece glass on his car broken by a bat and the outlaw mud show promoter who he tried to kill with his car can attest to that.
I bet Tommy Dreamer wish he’d explained Flair’s actions half as eloquently as Cornett did!
All Jim did was mansplain away a ton of rape
I hate to say this about Jim, but his implied views towards women don't lend itself to people having a high bar on his views on sexual assault by men he idolises.
@@rumtuckskatter "rape" 😅. I'd hate to see what you call a "cat call"
#GetTheEIn #Cornette #Cornhole
@@sacredsteeler that would be verbal abuse, boomer
Guess Flair won’t be surpassing John Cenas world title record
they hold the same record.... this wont be taken away from him because of this IMO
They needed the enforcer Ming aka haku on board
Being my age & born & raised in NC I love listening to Jim. Never liked him on TV, but damn if I don’t really enjoy his career after wraaslin
Imagine Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels being on that flight
the sad part is they'd have been the sanest people on the plane.
This thumbnail is spot on as always...Travis Heckle you are the GOAT 😎🤘
If you're ever getting sexually assaulted and RVD is witnessing it. Don't expect him to help out.
RVD's comments are being glossed over. That's a huge issue IMO
Being fair to RVD, he was never top-billing. The business has always valued the high-profile guys, and quick to shove the lower-profile guys to the side. Fuck, look how many chances Jeff Hardy keeps getting. I don't blame the guy for keeping his head down to keep pulling a check.
Yup. We all go through a majority of our lives, in many areas of our lives, with the understanding that you Don't-Sell-It. It ain't worth it.
Did Michael Hayes ever find out it was X-Pac that cut his pony tail off? Then pinned it to Hayes locker room door. That was hilarious. X-Pac holding it above his head like he just won the title. 🤣
If not , I'm sure he knows now.
He had to by now considering that X-Pac told this story way before this episode had aired.
Guess who won the pony tail
The best part was after the plane landed Hayes was running around yelling and threatening everyone until Jerry Brisco got sick of it and threw his bags down and told Hayes even thought he didn't do it, he'd fight him just to make him stfu and Hayes backed off and shut up.
my favorite part was how he acted like he was pulling a foreign object out of his tights when he did it
Should do the Drive Thru of Hell at Dairy Queen
Yep. The poor lady that had to work the drive-thru that night. She needs justice now. How dare Jim talk to a woman like that, he needs to apologize immediately.
@@joeyhardwood4869 perhaps they should do a mockumentary on this in the style of puppets like team america world police
This guy was practicing his "Jim cough" lol. Listen for it.
Even the flight attendant said that Vince was on that flight
So what??? Is Vince a babysitter?
@@mauricioreal7384 No, but neither should JR be a dam babysitter on a plane full of adults for God's sake.
@@mauricioreal7384 He's the CEO of the company and activity that happens at company sanctioned events, including travel, is his responsibility. The company chartered this flight. Had this happened on a regular public flight that he wasn't a part of, then he wouldn't be the least bit culpable.
@@nikaltesla9400 Turns out he wasn’t even on the plane when this happened lol
She said he was on the flight over to the UK. Possible he took a different flight back?
Guys over on Wrestlelamia were bragging about “being OGs” and hearing about it on Behind the Titan Tron.
I first heard about it on the dirt sheets shortly after it happened 20 years ago.
Who's bragging now😂
Well thank god you heard it on the dirt sheets so you could one up someone on the internet. See, everything pays off in the end mister... that name can't be accurate.
@@TyRo87-W87, if you can’t one-up someone on the Internet then what are you doing online?
Wrestlamia? No guys over there. Just ppl with really shitty voices. Sounds like they gargling marbles. I'd watch thier content if they could pronounce words. And the monotone makes it worse when they try to throw lil barbs at stuff they don't like holy shit. Whoever heard them talk and said "you should narrate videos" should apologize to all of us
I would like to see a dark side of the ring on Verne gagne especially later on in life but what he meant to the business and what he didn't mean to the business how Vince pillaged his company and became super successful
It might’ve been a Rumor, but didn’t The Undertaker give Justin Credible Acid on The Flight?
Damn............
No that was another flight. I wanna say back in the mid 90s. But yes Taker was handing out acid.
Different flight, but that was also confirmed in an Xpac interview that Taker handed out acid to a couple of the guys without them realizing it
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