Mark Driscoll Apologizes to John Lindell for Public Criticism at Conference (Lessons for Pastors)
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- What happened after Mark Driscoll was kicked off the stage by John Lindell at the 2024 Stronger Men's Conference?
In what seems to have become the weirdest Christian men's conference we've heard of, things just get weirder.
In this video, we'll find out what happened and I'll offer some lessons we can take from this ordeal as we seek to lead faithfully and intentionally in our own contexts.
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Here's the first video about the conference, in case you missed it: th-cam.com/video/_4W_qOLb7xE/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for speaking wisdom! To God be the glory!!
May the LORD continue to bless the work of your hands!
Driscoll used it as a marketing ploy for his new book 'Jezebel Spirit.' It was a gimmick.
Mark is just trying to get PAID, y'all (James 1:21)..it's all about the "Benjamins"....💰💸🤑
That's sick. He shouldn't have backed down. He gave in, and then that Spirit took a foothold.
@@adognamedbird *Driscoll knew what he was doing. He got what he wanted-attention. Most people will forget he apologozed. Driscoll was always a manipulater.*
Never apologize for standing in the truth of the Bible
Amen
Where is Driscoll's Jezebel spirit in the Bible?
He's not known for using Scripture in the proper context, and being vulgar and rude, therefore, could someone clear this up for me by giving me the chapter and verse that Driscoll used for his Jezebel spirit?
I'd appreciate it.
@@kathyd456 Driscoll is mentally very low budget.
@@kathyd456Luke 1:17 talks about John the baptist walking in the "spirit of Elijah". There are two people who are called "the son of perdition" - they are Judas Iscariot and who will one day be the Antichrist mentioned in Revelation, so it then means that the Antichrist will be possessed by the same spirit as Judas. There is no "spirit of Jezebel" mentioned in the bible per se but one of the letters to the churches calls out the acceptance of that Jezebel in the church who has led them into sexual sin. So it is possible and was already happening back then that someone could walk in the spirit of Jezebel and lead people down the same path of deception.
for the spirit does not flip flops, the truth is only one
No apology was needed sooooo tired of Christians giving up the fight. It was his place to correct the people in the audience who were subjected to a falsehood.
Exactly.
Mark bowed out! Shameful
It is shameful to see,yes and amen..
I wouldn't have apologized.
I'm saddened that Mark apologized.
There is no need to apologize for standing up for God..
In fact, fear of man will keep you from standing up for the Christian faith.
I felt he was giving up the fight by just getting off the stage so easily! Nah he could have said his final remarks and left. Smh.
I wonder if the disagreement came from a difference in understanding about what that man’s performance was. Yes, he was holding onto a pole. But I’ve watched videos of people doing feats of strength on pull up bars, doing very similar moves. One of the things that guy did is a crazy feat of strength called a “flag”. Nothing inappropriate or “sensual” or “sexual” about it. But if you start drawing parallels to strippers, it takes a totally different meaning. And perhaps Lindell told Driscoll he was out of line because Mark was interpreting it in a way that was inaccurate and unintended. Granted, the guy ripping his shirt off was odd. My charitable interpretation of that would simply be to say it was aligned with a feat of strength (not meant to be sensual). Do you think the performer honestly thought he was “ascending a pole” in conflict to God who has descended / come down to us? Do you think he believed his role was to be performing a sensual performance to a group of Christian men at a conference? Probably not.
Still an odd choice though - I wonder what their intention of having that performer was. But I’m not ready to jump on the ”Mark should never apologize” bandwagon. After all. There are misunderstandings in this world!
Mark you should NOT APPOLOGIZE!!! You were not in the wrong! One who sins in public should be rebuked in public!
Yes… that’s Scriptural!
It’s discouraging that the men at this conference didn’t get up and leave. Especially after this disingenuous “make up” session. Oh Lord give us conviction.
Jezebel thrives thru Ahab. #passivity
Over a thousand people left, but it was all off camera. Praise God for strong Godly men!
Thats what I was thinking
Wake up to what Jesus said- what John the Baptist said?!?! Mark had the potwntial to do something great for the kingdom and HE CAVED!!! Absolutely sickeneing!
Driscoll ALMOST had it right. Too bad he apologized
Agreed. It’s like bending the knee to some trans activists or something.
Its a modern Elijah when he confronted Jezabel and killed the false prophets time. The Lord led him to do it. Pray for Mark 🙏🏻
SkyCloud99-lj7jw I bet you if he never apologized he would get so much more respect so many more viewers and that would mean more money. Because people were really talking about this and reporting on it. It seems like it was a pretty big deal in the Christian community and important.a darn shame
Hmmm...who else apologized? Remember? Mark was right in what he said and how and when he said it! He had to have wrestled within himself and God before taking the stage.
”But Peter and John replied, “Which is right in God’s eyes: to listen to you, or to him? You be the judges! As for us, we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.”“
Acts 4:19-20 NIV
Mark should have not apologized
The way Mark is acting after they "talked" is weird. It feels like a financial driven response.. I am sure Mark makes a lot of money to speak at this event and others with John. Doesn't want to lose out on the opportunity in the future.
SkyCloud99-lj7jw peer pressure got to him. He has no backbone sadly
@@drakekerr6494 Most likely threats of lawsuit.
Something about this is fishy. 🤔 Seems like a set up.
@PutGodFirst77
Let them sue..
That John lindell guy has shown to be a person who winks at sin..
Mark and avoid John lindell..
That whole stripper pole act was so bizarre. It looked satanic.
It WAS Satanic
That’s because it was
These are the ones that will hear… “I never knew you”
That's why he stood up for truth
Thus enture stiry seems to be and all invoved. Soul Trap
John lindell needs to be kicked from the church! Anyone responsible for that beginning ceremony should not be in leadership at all!!!!
I did not hear John APOLOGIZE for bringing in and subjected all those men to DARK BIZARRO LAND. Guard you hearts, eyes, and ears🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
He won’t! Pride!
I'll do whatever I can with the small platform I have to let everyone know that John lindell is to be marked and avoided as a false teacher and a person who endorses son.
Dude. My point exactly! I hear a lot of justification, and no repentance…
He won't ever apologize.
We definitely are in the last days this blows my mind!!
There should be no apologies for the falling away we are witnessing in the "church." It's shameful the level of depravity on display.
Forget about John Lindell........Mark Driscoll has been homies with John for decades....hmmmm, and he never noticed John was a con man money changer with no anointing.......they are all unqualified!
Amen!
Absolutely correct 👍 @tammywisdom3701.
The only depravity I see, is a bunch of rich American christians spending billions of dollars on buildings and events, ignoring the plight of foreigners and refugees, and then getting hysterical about petty shit like an acrobat on a pole.
As a Pastor, I kept asking myself, where is the authority of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Point blank, the pole dancer shouldn't have been in the church. Men lives are at stake. Matthew 18 was out of place...
I agree but even more so it was used as spiritual abuse. So cringe.
The same way an abusive husband would demand his wife to submit to his evil desires or un christ like behavior.
Buddy Brown said it yesterday. May no one be in a single chair in John Lindell's church this Sunday!
Amen, they all should have walked out.
If I go to church tomorrow, and they have the things of the world running around I would never go back.
I can go to strip clubs,yet I know it's sin. God forbid we put them in churches.
I do not go to strip clubs because I know God's will I have no desire for the carnalty of this world.
So Satan has brought the club to the church!
I was completely neutral, didn't follow either man or ministry prior to this, but John Lindell has single handedly convinced me that at least most of if not all of what Mark said is true. Lol. And his Wednesday night service, that they are now promoting with ads, was absolutely insane. At least 5 blatant lies & where is the other half of the supposed conversation his kid had with Mark. I have no dog in this fight, but John looks like a snake to me, & he himself has convinced me of that.
@@T3mikelee I see alot of people saying that Mark said he would do whatever John says, but i didn't see anything like that in any of the videos. Did Mark really say that he would do whatever John says? Otherwise i agree that Mark was in the right to nay-say the performance of the pole dancer.
Let the church say AMEN! If not he will never learn from this mistake
Pastor Mark was correct to call out such an outrage. John Lindell presented an OUTRAGE in that conference. Shame on such sinful display.
If you wasn't there you shouldn't say anything because this is TH-cam. You can manipulate anything in these. Not one person thought anything about that act at all. And that man on the pole is an attendee a marks Church!
Over 500 men was saved that night after all that happened 💗🙏🙌🙌
@@sondrastockton1511you’re apparently lost
At the temple before Jesus started flipping over tables did he stop and ok it through the manager first ?
@@sondrastockton1511sadly the question might be …. Saved unto what spirit?! 20:27
Too bad he caved and apologized, apologized for what, for speaking out against filth? Lindell needs to step aside or be thrown out! What a shame, no backbone!
Apparently he apologized for not bringing it to pastor John privately before sharing it publicly. He had a right to preach against it publicly. It was done publicly, should be called out publicly. It’s hard when you love someone though and want to keep friendships.
I agree. I'm also praying that God confronts Lindoll for his choice of ungodly entertainment at the Church. Can u imagine Jesus swinging around ona pole and swallowing a sword to help save souls? Yep, a pole and a sword, that's just perfect for edifying the church and pleasing God. Forget the countless men living here in the USA that have suffered at the hands of communists for the name of Jesus. Forget all the men from the middle east that live here after their persecution for the name of Jesus. They are clearly horrible choices to edify and build men into warriors for the Lord.
*Bring out the pole and let's have some entertainment!!!"
(Insert Satan and his demons laughing in the background).
If you can't see the problem with Lindell, then you are incapable of spiritual discernment. Pick up the Bible and start with Proverbs and learn about the ways and the heart of God
It's grown into a family business, so we likely won't see his departure.
I agree. But why thrown out? Why you bring cancel culture into the church..
Apparently Driscoll has no backbone either.
“….we’re so worried about creating division that we withhold speaking the truth.” Thank you.
Paul said in Scripture...if I am still pleasing men...I cannot be a Servant of God
Anytime you feel like you need to “walk-back” the truth, there’s a problem.
Definitely
YES!
I fell like I’ve see this before; the Spirit moves on you in the movement to do the Will of God in correction or rebuke… later you 2nd guess yourself self and did I really hear that correctly? Was I out of line? He just needs to stand on what God showed him in this jezebel entertainment industry!!
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We might never know why Mark Driscoll backed out but one thing we know is that Mark knows deep in his heart that what he exposed was from the Holy Spirit. Having a stripper in a church is so evil and disgusting that I am chocked why people did not react and left the church at that moment.
Fear…, weakness, will I be invited back again…?
I live near the city where this took place. I know people who were there and they told me that they, and a lot of the people did leave.
I believe this was all staged
@@mamabear1260 no I don’t think so because this has opened a whole new direction for James river church. More people are very dissatisfied concerning the leadership of the church after this event and it might be possible that John Lindell will resign since a lot of people has demanded it but this is just speculations. It might continue as business as usual.
@@mamabear1260i also suspect that
We should be aware of what pastor we sit under. Don't apologize for what is wrong.
Sorry this is Not a church and these are not Pastors or Leaders. These are Wolves. WAKE UP!
Yes!! These are hirelings, who apostle Peter warned about saying: "teaching what they ought not for filthy lucre" $$$ " "Whose God is their belly, and whose glory is their shame". "Deceitful workers of iniquity". Wolves in sheep's clothing"
Exactly!
Wolves in sheep clothings..
Amen.
Why isn’t John Lindell not called to repent for his approval of such a carnal display?
He HAS BEEN. REPEATEDLY. FOR YEARS…
This man knows no shame… he is a narcissistic liar.
My husband and in used to attend his church -many years ago. 28 years to be exact. We ran afoul of him about a year after we started attending … And he made our last year there absolutely hell on earth.
I actually miscarried our third child because of the severe stress of what we were being subjected to.
He has incident blood on his hands.
"A time will come when instead of shepherds feeding the sheep,
The church will have clowns entertaining the goats".
-------Charles H Spurgeon
Spurgeon certainly was right. The clowns have arrived.
So true. The line was breached. Someone has to take
Someone has to take a stand... Mark could of appealed to the leader respectfully after he was stopped or before too.
@@georgepapadopoulos4027 Yes, he could have, but Driscoll didn't offend, he told the truth. If that pastor was offended by the truth, the truth is not in him and he doesn't really know Jesus.
3We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands. 4Whoever says, “I know him,” but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in that person. 5But if anyone obeys his word, love for God a is truly made complete in them. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must live as Jesus did. (1 John 2:3-6)
I believe that time is now and in the near future 🙏💪🏼🙏💪🏼🙏💪🏼
When we went to Promise Keepers in the early 90's, we spoke about being men of God. We didn't have any distractions with boxing matches, rodeos or other silly side shows. We got down to worshiping God, Praying over our families and coming together as men and the spiritual leaders of our houses.
So agree! The conference should of been ALL about God and his word!
I really understand what you're saying and I appreciate your comment. However the leader of Promise Keepers fell into sin and when he came back he said Jesus is the promise keeper. That's a very good point.
Again I appreciate your comment. And if I had to add one thing to it it would be that if this happened with Promise Keepers has strictly spiritual as they were trying to keep it how much worse was this pole dancing incident?
@@1plus1b2 I completely understand you brother. I am just old school. We break down into small groups of men for retreats as Jesus modeled for us with the apostles.
I am very wary of the big show conferences. I am not looking down on them, I just pray they keep their focus true.
"A time will come when instead of shepherds
feeding the sheep,
The church will have clowns entertaining the goats".
--Charles H. Spurgeon
Mark was right to begin with. He shouldn't have took it back!
In my humble opinion, we need to extend grace to Mark for his unnecessary apology. Mark was publicly admonished, and he would have understandably felt flustered afterwards. Wanting to reconcile with John is understandable. Personally, I wish that Mark had stuck to his original convictions, yet we need to extend grace to him.
His future explanations of his conduct will decide how much grace I extend toward him.
Mark should have never darkened their door again. They've sweet talked him in to losing his spine and his credibility of telling other men how to act as Godly men, which he claims is his ministry.
The whole thing he is in bed with is rotten.
...and I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Revelation 18:4
Great word !
I agree 👍🏼👌🏼
He has been going to that conference and every year it is wild and worldly. He is showing his lack of discernment he needs prayer!
My husband pointed out if Martin Luther never questioned the authority of his time, the church today would look very different.
Mark showed lack of conviction and weakness in his apology. He did the right thing by calling out the opening act.
I cannot speak the truth and then apologize! Never! I would rather lose friendship with man than with God!
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Amen
Agreed…… the relationship with God is more important than that with man!!!!!
Amen! we have to stand up for JESUS
Trust me. God already thinks Mark Driscoll is a total douchebag.
#prayforpastors 🙏🙏🙏 if anyone is bothered by either side of this, pray! We all have an enemy, and it's not each other. Satan is trying so desperately to deceive the very elect! If we are not rooted in Christ, we will be rooted in deception. Pray for wisdom saints!
Beautifully put! Yes!!!
Preach!
Exactly!!
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The people of that church that didn't get up and leave after what Pastor Mark Driscoll rebuked in love need prayer. If Mark did not publicly rebuke darkness as Jesus/Yeshua did, it would only cost more souls that would never find the Truth and if Mark had told Pastor John Lindell what God/Yahweh put on his heart to share, he would have not permitted it to be said. The people are so blind to the Truth. They don't even realise what Truth is in the scriptures; the definition of Truth, according to the Bible, that is... If you have read this far, let me lift the veil from your eyes, to show you the Truth. You'll be surprised to find out what the Church has been missing for sooo many years.
Yeshua said, to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
Here, Yeshua is declaring that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life... Now, if you have done your Bible research, you will have found out that in these words that Yeshua said that He is, are based on words and scriptures from the Law/Torah. Basically, you can take these words, (Way, Truth, Life, Light, the Word), and summarize them all to one word: Torah. Yeshua is saying that He is the Word/Torah. So, all these words describe the goodness of Him, the Word. The Truth! :) The Torah/Word is Light, as found in this popular scripture we've all read:
"Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path." Psalm 119:105
The writer of this scripture verse isn't referring to any old word man has uttered or written, but the Word. Remember that. ;) Here in the Book of John, John is revealing to us who the Christ/Messiah is:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1:1-5
The Word/Torah shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot comprehend it! So, knowing this, Yeshua is the Light, shining the Light lifting the veil from your eyes. showing you that the Torah is good; that He is GOOOOD! :D Here's another scripture that goes TOTALLY along with the Jezebel topic:
"For the commandment is a lamp,
And the law a light;
Reproofs of instruction are the way of life,
To keep you from the evil woman,
From the flattering tongue of a seductress." Proverbs 6:23-24
As you can see, the Church has lied to us all our lives on what the Truth is. The Church needs to wake up and realize that the whole Bible is true and that we need to stop listening to preachers/pastors that have the "Jezebel spirit," that lead the flocks to the slaughter, that continue to preach that it's ok to accept alternative lifestyles (which are an abomination to God, according to His Word/Torah/Yeshua, the Messiah that we are in covenant with), and that we now know that Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc, are not part of the Bible, but are pagan holidays in honor to Baal and the "sun gods" that pastors with the Jezebel spirit taught our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents and passed them down to us. We must stop and think about who's doctrine is the pure doctrine from heaven, and who's isn't. Yeshua/the Word is the true doctrine/manna sent down from heaven. He is a jealous husband, if that makes sense, and won't share us with any other god/"mighty one." The Church needs to realize that what was lost for generations is now found. That is, the Holy Days/Feasts of the Lord our God, (notice that they are called Feasts of the Lord, and not of a people of a particular nationality, if you can guess which one). ;)
Let me introduce you to... The Holy Day's of our Creator!!! :D
Passover
Feast of Unleavened Bread
First Fruits
Feast of Weeks/Pentacost
Feast of Trumpets
Day of Atonement
Feast of Tabernacles or Booths
And of course, the 7th day creation sabbath, which the Lord hallowed and blessed, and said that it is a perpetual "sign" or "mark" on His people when they keep it, which occurs on 7th day of the week on Saturday, (the seventh day of the week, not Sunday, the 1st day of the week)! :D
If you have read this far, I'm thrilled that you are interested in knowing what God wants the Church to be doing in these last days!!! But you may have some doubts about if this were true, that we should be keeping the Feasts/Holy Days of the Lord and the 7th day sabbath and drop the teachings and "feasts"/holidays (Christmas, Easter, etc), of the Jezebel Spirit that goes contrary to the Truth/Word/Torah/Yeshua. If we know the Truth, we are in good hands in knowing which doctrines are of God and which are of the deceiver/evil one. Truly, this is the Truth. :)
Here is further proof that the Law/Torah/Commandments are not done away with in the end days:
"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went
to make war with the rest of her offspring,
who keep the commandments of God
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17
If the Law/Torah/Yeshua was "nailed to the cross" and we use that statement to say that people who accept Christ as Lord and Savior no longer should consider keeping the holy Law, then why does the end pages of the Bible say the contrary; that the dragon in Revelation will go after the last days "remnant" that are keeping the righteous Law/Commandments? Hmm... "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many." (Matt. 7:13) Something's not right Church! We need to have "ears to hear" as our Messiah Yeshua, the Word/Law/Torah said. The word "hear" in Hebrew is "shema" and describes hearing and also its effects - taking heed, being obedient, and doing what is asked. So, Yeshua was asking us to listen to what He had to say, to be obedient to Him. There is full joy in what He has called us to do. :)
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome." 1 John 5:3
Tip on identifying the Jezebel spirit in preachers/pastors sermons/teachings:
If they say that the Word/Torah is done away with and that you should not keep the Feasts/Holy Days of the Lord, you know that doctrine is not the True manna/doctrine from above.
Shalom! :)
Pastor Driscoll should have never apologized. Can you imagine the prophets in the old testament apologizing for the word God sent to those that are blind to the truth 😮
So they both get on stage before everyone to discuss the calling out but neither talk about the pole dancer
Like what's with the Vegas male striper on the pole?
Let's just AVOID THE ISSUE
I totally agree with you. Driscoll should NOT apologize for calling out a wrong decision. The devil is attacking men in every opportunity he can.
Yes and you are doing it right now😊
He is not attacking anyone, just stating facts
@lisabryant5728 it wasn't a strip pole. It wasn't a stripper performance. He was stating his opinion. Yes he was a former stripper in his past. Now he is a born again Christian.
@@wesmurphy9725what was the point of ripping his shirt off then in front a room full of men? I believe the man is saved now and I’m so glad, but that doesn’t mean he isn’t going to sin anymore. If you don’t think sin should be called out so others won’t sin, I suggest reading your Bible more. I know context is lost through text, so I will convey that I’m not trying to be antagonistic, but sin needs to be called out and rebuked. The man should not have ripped any clothing off and should not have danced on a pole.
@@laceywilcox612 why would a man being shirtless be a problem? Are you afraid that supposedly STRAIGHT men would suddenly turn gay?? 😂😂😂😂
I believe Mark was right in exposing the deception. John never truly humbled himself initially and in the end. He seemed to have succeeded in not humbling but humiliating Mark. That is what Jezebel did to Elijah after exposing the Priest's of ba'al. It is time for the church to rise up and push Jezebel out the window and let the dogs clean up the mess.
Sounds biblical to me.
Isn't this the same guy that called women "p*nis houses"? 😂
Agreed, did John ever apologize for his wrong?
@@gerrycox5841 John went on to tell the audience that questioning “God’s anointed,” meaning himself, was a bad idea. Then Mark just sat there and sheepishly took it. I’ve lost all respect for Driscoll.
Bunch of BS.
Everyone should have walked out
Why are we watering down every single sinful thing these days?
What is the purpose of having a pole and stripper for the opening at a Christian men’s conference! God does not need the things of the world to accomplish His plan and purpose! TRUTH!👊🏾
Really well said comment. Your point is really important. “God does not need the things of the world to accomplish His plan and purpose”
Amen!! People need to hear from God. It is God’s Word that people need to hear.
Mark had it right to call out what was wrong and then he backed down. Very disappointing
SMH... Driscoll, should NOT have apologized!!!
The True Men of God, should have Walked Out!!!
Where are the True and Real Men of GOD?
John saw the crowd wasn’t having it and this was a save my butt moment. He needed Mark to come back & fix it! Mark owed zero apology!
Could be.
That's a thought 🤔
There was no need for him to say sorry. He said I was praying last night late into the morning for the men. God gave him a word it was no need to share with the Pastor. He had a job to do no matter if he did not like it or not.
I'm so disappointed that Mark apologized for that.
Me too. ☹️
Lindell manipulates him by reminding Mark that when Mars Hill fell apart he Lindell had Marks back. And Mark like a wuss tuck his tail between his legs and coward to him saying yes I remember thank you for being a good pastor or something to that effect….😡🤮
Give me a break!!!
He allowed John to gaslight him. Gaslighting is what extreme narcicists do. John should have been shut down and kicked out.
He caved to the pressure
HE DIDN'T APOLOGIZE! He apologized for NOT talking to John 1st. However, it's good he didn't because the answer would have been no! Once again, I've seen numerous comments where people said a lot of men got up and left FRI NIGHT AND SATURDAY MORNING! I Would venture to say those were probably mostly people from outside the church who came in for the conference from other State's, Churches and countries! You can always adjust camera's to make it look full! I know one man said he came up from Mississippi Saturday morning with his son's and a friend who was an unbeliever but got there a little after conference had started but men were walking out so he asked what was going on and someone from the church told him what had happened! He just happened to be a TAX MAN, and that being the last weekend, he made quite a sacrifice to get here! He then called his wife to discuss what he should do because he was concerned about his friend, but his wife said, "Come on back." Remember one more thing, father's had brought their young son's to this conference from maybe as young as 5 years old and over! Sad for everyone!
I hate the fact that he apologized.
And all those men stayed 😢
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What did he apologize for?
Mark didn’t apologize for what he said. He apologized for not talking with John before hand.
Driscoll tells Lindell ILL DO WHATEVER YOU WANT 😳 What!!!! Isn’t that kind of allegiance be towards YAH?!?!
Man this thing sucks.
Mark had absolutely no reason to apologize..he did what Jesus did repeatedly..John was ticked because of his sins and lack of conviction and oversight..John is not God appointed...this is obvious! Let's not sugar coat!!!
Totally agree
Isn't this the same guy that called women "penis houses"? 😂😂
I believe this was staged.
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@@mamabear1260 .. interesting 🤔..but yet rather it was staged or not..the behavior of the stripper and the fact that it was allowed at a men's conference in a church of all places shows the level of depravity of John
I don't understand why everyone didn't up and leave. The sanctuary has been defiled.
Or, in layman's terms, God has left the building.
No one respects the sanctuary anymore, including the 2 pastors.
Shame on both of them.
some people are just not in the holy spirit enough because my spirit wouldve shook and i wouldve fled. just imagine the children that was exposed to this cuz the man of the house didn’t take lead and left. Maybe some say out their words they disagree and booed it but in their geart they are in agreement because they probably do things behind the scenes that love the jezebel spirit. Not assuming their hearts but you cant fool God. This shows that some men dont let God lead, just like the idea of God. God should’ve instantly spoke to them to leave. not boo and stay in that presence of darkness
@@Ayyshaddyyou can hear the Holy Spirit in the first video where they are all yelling at John when he comes on stage to protect his pride. I’m shocked they didn’t walk out though, it’s unfortunate.
@Ayyshaddy
I thought after I wrote this that it happened because Father was never there in the first place.
I left the charismatic movement long ago after I asked the pastor why he only spoke of the blessings of the OT and not the warnings.
I know that sounds strange, but I was a baby Christian at the time.
The pastor said that they didn't apply to us because of Christ's sacrifice. We were blessed beyond that.
I knew in my heart I was called to a quietness with Father, not yelling and running around the sanctuary like a crazed person.
Holiness, for me, is a quiet place of self-discipline and denial, where we lay on our bed at night and examine our hearts.
I'm still working on it, on me.
My husband and I strongly disagree on the sanctuary and what I consider as reverence to Father.
Do people really need the bottle of water or their expensive coffee so much? Can they not deny their flesh for 1 hour to enter into the Holy place of Father?
So many are happy with the milk and being fed by someone who never asks more of them.
I keep reminding myself that I better focus on me because I will also stand before Father one day, and I have so much that I need to do to prepare myself.
May Father's blessings and grace be with you wherever you go.
*ICHABOD* = the Glory of The Lord has departed
They did not leave because the church is full of dead Christians who are unwilling to be born again. It’s like repentance is a suggestion to these lukewarms. Woe unto false converts.
The rebuke was correct.
Sadly there are way too many conferences like this. Shallow! Empty! Vain!
Mark Driscoll, why are you apologizing? You were correct for calling this out. You are now crossing over and apologizing for bringing the true word to those witnessing such outrageous behavior. I was so proud and thought how we needed more true men of God. Now, my heart breaks. The enemy is blinding so many.
It was done in public, it needs to be rebuked in public. Well done Mark.
Agree, but should have never apologized. No backbone for Christ.
Wow. It's literally like a modern day example of Elijah confronting the prophets of Baal at Mt. Carmel, and the very next day, running in terror from Jezebel.
Good point
Yes
So true!!!!! EXACTLY what Elijah did…. He didn’t have a convo with Jezebel!!!!!
You are so right.I believe the Bible says do not call anybody father. Spiritual father ? ridiculous
The second conversation on stage was "damage control". It should have been humble repentance. I didn't have to be there to get that.
Ultimately Mark your authority comes from Christ. This statement that Lindell is the spiritual father of this house so you need his approval is not scriptural. You’re exalting a man!
Yes, i thought he knew God is the only spiritual father.
Amen
Amen. NOTHING BUT RELIGION. HOW ABOUT LOVE THE BRETHREN BUT SERVE AND HONOR CHRIST
100% the people are God's people and not that of the pastor
Driscoll should have dusted off his feet.
He was trying to be cival with the church leader.
Would I have done this No.
I would have said what God played on my heart to say.
The Bible teaches to reconcile with our enemies quickly,for all we know the Lord laid it on Driscoll to reconcile and leave them to their hedionism.
Remember David,no matter how rotten Saul was he would not harm him.
Apologize?.. Ridiculous. Spiritual father or not he is not the head of the church God is. Since when can you not call out corruption in the church?
Every man attending is completely lost. Shame on them ALL
I once heard a pastor say, "if I don't love God more than I love you, I can't be an effective Pastor". Jesus himself said that he came into the world to bring division. Of course we should love one another, but there are some things that need to be voiced to protect the presence of the Lord in the church. As we get closer to the return of Jesus, the tares need to be separated from the wheat.
You never apologize to the darkness!!!
Time to flip some tables!
Amen!
100% agree with this comment!
This generation of false prophets and wolf pastors is overwhelming. Mark calls out Jezebel and then bends a knee to Jezebel? Unbelievable! How far gone is the church?
Go woke go broke. No this is spiritual. If only we could see the spirits fighting over our head.
To 'backpedal' on your convictions and submit to an apostate leadership in the name of saving face...shameful !!!
To have a stripper in a church is shameful. Mike actually stood up. Take your rebuke to JOHN
Agreed
Mark didn't "backpeddle" though. He didn't apologize for WHAT he said. He pretty much apologized for HOW he went about it.
@@Ozlabingo!!
@@arreola891exactly
Never apologize for calling out evil. This wasn't a personal offense. This was blasphemy on a large scale when he's supposed to be setting an example.
I agree with you. Truth divides. We can never back down. We can apologize for our actions but never for speaking the TRUTH!!!
Mark was right the first time when he came out on stage and spoke against the gay male stripper!!!! I am appalled that a pole dancing "act" would even be permitted in a place of worship!!!!! What was that pastor thinking?!?!? Straight from the pit of hell was that act!!!!! Mark had the support of the entire group of men that were there and he should have stood his ground and stuck to his initial response!!!!! And never, never, never should he have apologized to John Lindell!!!!! You were on the right track Mark! The crowd was on your side when you spoke the truth!!! As far as I'm concerned, Mark Lindell should have apologized to the entire group of men that was there with their children and Mark!!!!! Mark never should have apologized for speaking truth!!!!!!!
Sadly, when they came back on stage, they did not even address the real issue. They just focused on declaring their love/appreciation for each other and mending the relationship - which is great - but not at the expense of brushing aside the matter that set this whole thing off. I am somewhat baffled by Mark's positioning and wish he had held firmer in asking that John address the opening act. I don't know anything else about John Lindell, but this incident certainly does not give me a good impression!
This seems strange that they are talking about their great ministries and their friendship, instead of repenting of how the conference has gone off track. I don’t think real men of God are there because they want to see a dog and pony show.
Excellent comment!
It’s because the spirit in John was trying to remind Mark why he should.. bow (first word that came to mind) to him. ‘Look where I got you to.. you wouldn’t be where you are today without me’ - is effectively what John is saying to Mark. And Mark is agreeing in his response 😞 But put us all in the same situation - & we probably would too. And we probably wouldn’t have had the guts to speak out in the first place!
- it’s easy for us all to be bold with our comments on TH-cam - but put us on a stage, in front of a congregation - & in front of influential ‘friends’.. I’m not sure we’d have the same boldness!!
@@lianacollier7064 I agree with the first part of your comment, but I sure hope and pray that I would not cave if in Mark's position.
The fat that you people are making such a big deal about nothing, tells me the WHOLE THING is a dog and pony show.
I will never apologize for the truth no matter where it is said or done
I stopped attending these conferences years ago. There's nothing better than waking up early and allowing the Holy Spirit to give you revelation as you delve in the word of God. 🙏
GOD HIMSELF IS BUSY CLEANING HOUSE. JESUS WOULD HAVE FLIPPED TABLES AND USED A WHIP. GOD HIMSELF EXPOSED THIS PRIDEFUL PASTOR JOHN. HIS MINISTRY IS TAINTED.
These charismatic churches with their behaviors are foretold in the Bible. It amazes me that these men claim to read and study the Bible to the point that they claim the Bible to be their compass but somehow miss the scriptures that describes these types of behaviors to come in the last days that they themselves are doing and practicing. Talk about scales on your eyes. If you are in a church that sings these so called praise and worship songs, have female 'pastors', speak in tongues, claiming miraculous healings as well as raising people from the dead, have 'prophets', support LGBTQ nonsense, and need church to be a show just so you feel good, etc, etc don't walk but run very fast away. These churches are not of God. Quit collecting men and pastors that say what you want to in hopes of soothing your itching ears. Quit buying books upon books, Bible study after Bible study from these counterfeit Christians and just immerse yourself in God's word; the only book you need. You don't need man's understanding of God's perfect word. Instead, read God's word and allow the "helper", (Holy Spirit) speak to you and guide you according to His word and understanding. Remember the path is narrow and FEW will find it.
The people of that church that didn't get up and leave after what Pastor Mark Driscoll rebuked in love need prayer. If Mark did not publicly rebuke darkness as Jesus/Yeshua did, it would only cost more souls that would never find the Truth and if Mark had told Pastor John Lindell what God/Yahweh put on his heart to share, he would have not permitted it to be said. The people are so blind to the Truth. They don't even realise what Truth is in the scriptures; the definition of Truth, according to the Bible, that is... If you have read this far, let me lift the veil from your eyes, to show you the Truth. You'll be surprised to find out what the Church has been missing for sooo many years.
Yeshua said, to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
Here, Yeshua is declaring that He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life... Now, if you have done your Bible research, you will have found out that in these words that Yeshua said that He is, are based on words and scriptures from the Law/Torah. Basically, you can take these words, (Way, Truth, Life, Light, the Word), and summarize them all to one word: Torah. Yeshua is saying that He is the Word/Torah. So, all these words describe the goodness of Him, the Word. The Truth! :) The Torah/Word is Light, as found in this popular scripture we've all read:
"Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path." Psalm 119:105
The writer of this scripture verse isn't referring to any old word man has uttered or written, but the Word. Remember that. ;) Here in the Book of John, John is revealing to us who the Christ/Messiah is:
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1:1-5
The Word/Torah shines in the darkness and the darkness cannot comprehend it! So, knowing this, Yeshua is the Light, shining the Light lifting the veil from your eyes. showing you that the Torah is good; that He is GOOOOD! :D Here's another scripture that goes TOTALLY along with the Jezebel topic:
"For the commandment is a lamp,
And the law a light;
Reproofs of instruction are the way of life,
To keep you from the evil woman,
From the flattering tongue of a seductress." Proverbs 6:23-24
As you can see, the Church has lied to us all our lives on what the Truth is. The Church needs to wake up and realize that the whole Bible is true and that we need to stop listening to preachers/pastors that have the "Jezebel spirit," that lead the flocks to the slaughter, that continue to preach that it's ok to accept alternative lifestyles (which are an abomination to God, according to His Word/Torah/Yeshua, the Messiah that we are in covenant with), and that we now know that Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc, are not part of the Bible, but are pagan holidays in honor to Baal and the "sun gods" that pastors with the Jezebel spirit taught our parents, grandparents, and great grandparents and passed them down to us. We must stop and think about who's doctrine is the pure doctrine from heaven, and who's isn't. Yeshua/the Word is the true doctrine/manna sent down from heaven. He is a jealous husband, if that makes sense, and won't share us with any other god/"mighty one." The Church needs to realize that what was lost for generations is now found. That is, the Holy Days/Feasts of the Lord our God, (notice that they are called Feasts of the Lord, and not of a people of a particular nationality, if you can guess which one). ;)
Let me introduce you to... The Holy Day's of our Creator!!! :D
Passover
Feast of Unleavened Bread
First Fruits
Feast of Weeks/Pentacost
Feast of Trumpets
Day of Atonement
Feast of Tabernacles or Booths
And of course, the 7th day creation sabbath, which the Lord hallowed and blessed, and said that it is a perpetual "sign" or "mark" on His people when they keep it, which occurs on 7th day of the week on Saturday, (the seventh day of the week, not Sunday, the 1st day of the week)! :D
If you have read this far, I'm thrilled that you are interested in knowing what God wants the Church to be doing in these last days!!! But you may have some doubts about if this were true, that we should be keeping the Feasts/Holy Days of the Lord and the 7th day sabbath and drop the teachings and "feasts"/holidays (Christmas, Easter, etc), of the Jezebel Spirit that goes contrary to the Truth/Word/Torah/Yeshua. If we know the Truth, we are in good hands in knowing which doctrines are of God and which are of the deceiver/evil one. Truly, this is the Truth. :)
Here is further proof that the Law/Torah/Commandments are not done away with in the end days:
"And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went
to make war with the rest of her offspring,
who keep the commandments of God
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." Revelation 12:17
If the Law/Torah/Yeshua was "nailed to the cross" and we use that statement to say that people who accept Christ as Lord and Savior no longer should consider keeping the holy Law, then why does the end pages of the Bible say the contrary; that the dragon in Revelation will go after the last days "remnant" that are keeping the righteous Law/Commandments? Hmm... "Enter by the narrow gate. For the gate is wide and the way is easy that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many." (Matt. 7:13) Something's not right Church! We need to have "ears to hear" as our Messiah Yeshua, the Word/Law/Torah said. The word "hear" in Hebrew is "shema" and describes hearing and also its effects - taking heed, being obedient, and doing what is asked. So, Yeshua was asking us to listen to what He had to say, to be obedient to Him. There is full joy in what He has called us to do. :)
"For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome." 1 John 5:3
Tip on identifying the Jezebel spirit in preachers/pastors sermons/teachings:
If they say that the Word/Torah is done away with and that you should not keep the Feasts/Holy Days of the Lord, you know that doctrine is not the True manna/doctrine from above.
Shalom! :)
Filthy lurker $
Amen!! I was 100% with Driscoll calling this out. However, a back peddling apology was disheartening. I believe you’re correct, regarding what Jesus would have done. It’s as if they expected an apology from God himself. I’m NOT saying Driscoll is God. I just believe he spoke directly from the heart of God then the prideful pastor wanted an apology for being called out.
John Lindell should have stepped up instead of Mark having to! He was Ahab and allowed the Jezebel spirit in and then got angry when Elijah spoke up!
I hope Lindell sees the comments putting him to shame.
MAN that guy has no business being a pastor, I know pastors aren't perfect but if someone calls you out when you are wrong and your response is "NO STOP IM NOT WRONG YOU ARE WRONG" then they have no wisdom.
"But those elders who are sinning you are to Rebuke in the
👉presence of All,👈 so that others also will fear."
- 1 Timothy 5:20
True brotherhood doesn’t always seem friendly. The whole conference of men needed to hear what Mark said.
A lot of lost souls
Mark was seduced by the spirit of Jezebel!! He bowed down!! He should have stood his ground on the truth!!!
bro what
I understand what you mean. I don't know if it was the spirit of Jezebel that made him apologize, but some unclean spirit certainly did.
Mark should never have apologized. He saw the spirit of Jezebel working within that conference and used the word of God to called it out with humility. That pastor has a spiritual problem and needs help. The reaction of most (?) men, booing revealed the worldly spirit present. A christian men's conference is about "Christ" and not appealing to the world. Praying for this Pastor, and for Mark to grow in confidence in the word and boldness. 🙏
To bad he apologized! Now I would not trust him to protect the truth!!! SAD😢
Mark took a stand, and then conceded to the pressure and awkwardness of the moment. Sadly, he had done the right thing, but then reneged on his stance.
there was no need to apologized when you have such a strong conviction that what was being showned would lead people to hell. We need to have some strong stand on truth and not back down.
I was so proud until I heard he apologized! It’s so frustrating how the church is become!😢
If he indeed apologized, then we have two pastors not doing the will of Jesus. Sad day for the church. I don't recall Paul ever apologizing for speaking truths in the places he was travelling. We are at the times of Laodicea, the lukewarm church.......
Can't believe he folded. Its the John dude who should be excommunicated.
I pray this wasn't about money and control of a mega church.
Looks like the jezebel spirit made him apologize ! By their fruits you shall know them !
Exactly .
My mail came late yesterday. I think it was that pesky jezebel spirit again!!
Bottom line, this situation isn’t the first for this congregation. We will see things from their history pop up over the next few weeks. As a Christian myself, I will ask for forgiveness for this judgement, but this congregation is extremely unhealthy, unrealistic, and a very dangerous place for the vulnerable seeking to further their spiritual growth.
Well said.
You are not wrong. I attended that church for 3 years and it is plagued with scandals and there is never any repentance. When the toes were questioned John told the church not to challenge Gods anointed one and if they do they risk God sending the she bears to devour them.
After this situation he gave a sermon to the church about how spiritually immature they are and then showed a baby bottle and said here you go. This is all you get
@@DaUnforgiven1 lol the fact that they say she bears with a straight face is an indication they can’t see the supernatural Bible changes too lol how ridiculous they checked the sex of the bear? Repent the church as a whole can’t see the obvious supernatural Bible changes
@@DaUnforgiven1wow! This is why I’m glad I go to a Bible church that routinely tells us to be directly in The Word daily and we have a board of elders to hold each other accountable and they do.
@@laceywilcox612 that’s good. As long as they stay true to the word you have a wonderful place to be a part of
You owe him NO APOLOGY..these sick things should never take place at a revival for the Lord..
If Driscoll was the real deal, then he would have left the premises. If he was the real deal, then he wouldn’t have been there to start with.
He should have stood especially in front of so many men struggling with sexual immorality. Sad end
As soon as i heard Mark say "You are the father of this house" and "I'll do whatever you want".... I recoiled with disgust but not surprise....
The wheat and the tarres will be separated.
1 Corinthians 10:31
Whether, then, you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God.
Matthew 13:28, 28-30
And he said to them, ‘An enemy has done this!’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?’
“ ‘An enemy did this,’ he replied. “The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ “ ‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’ ”
I agree with you totally! When I heard him say those words you quoted...my heart was grieved. It was like a little boy who was passively cowering to a dad's abuse and dysfunction just because of his role and position of authority. Mark should of stood his ground. He should of at least maybe said...I still believe what I said, but could of come to you privately first. Either way, Mark was correct for calling it out!
@@peopleofpurpose My thoughts are this, a Church is God's house, and is a place for us to WORSHIP Him and GLORIFY Him.
I don't think pole dancers do either of those acts.
@@peopleofpurpose I don't think Mark should have asked permission of John Lindell to say what he did. Afterall, John Lindell was the person responsible for that heathenish display. Lindell was the person who needed to be rebuked.
I’ve been watching almost everything on TH-cam about this situation and you’re the first person who has covered the entire thing and then questioned Driscoll’s decision to back down. Thank you for being consistent. I’ve been watching a lot of his sermons lately and I think God might be revealing the unbiblical nature of their “ministries” for all to see. I just can’t believe he backed down after clearly calling out sin for what it is. It’s frustrating!
Thanks for the kind words. I was very surprised to see it all play out like this.
You are spot on! Thank you for the video. I had not seen this interaction. I was so disappointed in seeing this! You did well in discerning this. Thank you!
It's a really sick spirit to attempt to draw out of a crowd of men. We stand behind Pastor Driscoll 100% 💪
He shouldn’t have apologized at all he was 100% right in what he did
Jesus didn’t apologize.
Mark your apologies were not meant. You boldly stood up yet respectfully stepped back but you were in the right with a right spirit
"Woe unto them that call good evil, and evil good." The essence of this scripture is the perversion of inversion: Instead of Lindel taking the rebuke and apologizing, he refused to apologize and so Driscoll did? God help us!
I think that John may have sensed that there was a very REAL possibility that he could experience a church split, (much less a conference split) over his horrible choice to know about, approve and then ignore a horrible 800 lb. gorilla in the room with the MALE STRIPPER. There was also a kind of "passive aggressive" aspect to this "makeup" talk that reminded me of how men will slap their wives around, and THEN, instead of simply OWNING it, deeply repenting for it and committing to STOP that abuse/offense, he will reiterate his "love" for his wife in front of the kids, etc. But the stripper wasn't even refenced in all this sugar talk. The fact of the matter, is that it would've been super effective and beneficial for John to be a man of humbleness, OWN UP to the episode, state that he has learned from it and won't make that mistake going forward, and THEN apologize to Driscoll for placing him in a position where he was left to state the obvious to a huge audience. If he would've done that, it would've been a victorious witness for the Lord and His Kingdom. But...as it was....😔
Nicely stated.
Yes, nicely stated as has already been said.
What if it were a FEMALE stripper?
Assembly of God need to be excommunicated from the other churches there is clearly something dark in that house
Brandon, you did an amazing job showing it all and presenting your views in a professional manner. I agree with what you said. I feel what they did up there was ingenious and forced.
Thank you, David!
Do not apologize for standing for the truth!
I usually see people who first stand for the truth and defends their beliefs, but afterwards they apologize for opening peoples eyes..