A 40k Weeb Ironic that Ryan himself was every bit the slave to his own ego and need to stay in control. To the very last, he could never admit that a lot of what wrong was because he did this to himself.
Rose BPOS Small problem...it's also the bottom of the ocean, which means they also need to withstand overwhelming ocean pressures and not freeze to death from the subzero temperatures. Do you REALLY think Ryan would genetically alter people enough to make that much happen, especially when deep-sea brass suits do the same trick?
Rose BPOS A free market that Ryan tried to muscle whenever he saw a threat (see Frankie Fontaine). For commercial purposes, sure, he'd have no objections. But why bother with all that when you've got the more pliable Big Daddies and before them vulnerable humans in the brass suits I mentioned? Do not forget how deeply paranoid he was over internal and external threats.
Back then taxes on the wealthy were much higher so to someone like Ryan it would seem like his money is being taken to fund the newly created social programs for the poor.
So Adam caused the fall from paradise? Sounds about right. For all their talk of no gods, the denizens of Rapture sure did love their biblical allusions.
Dragonfist12185 Being on the ocean floor, there's mercifully not a lot of that. As it was a product of the native sea slugs, I'd want to think it had some natural resistance to it that humans didn't.
one of the reasons i love fallout 4 is that the commonwealth is the midpoint between fallout 1+3, and 2+New Vegas, where *you* get to build a new society
@@XzaroX its not better so much as, there doesn't seem to be a way back for Rapture, (or Columbia) whereas the Fallout world is unequivocally rebuilding from the ruins of its' leaders' hubris. Bioshock's story is about charting the downward spiral of the cities at the core of the story, Fallout's is about both charting that downward spiral AND building back up
@@XzaroX I.....can't really remember, I'm sure there was a reason I thought that, however, this was like.....3 years ago, since then I've had multiple hospital visits, worried if I was going to be employed or not after the lockdowns, multiple car breakdowns, covid, more car breakdowns, so I've been more concerned over real world factors then fictional ones. Update; Okay, so I'm not getting notifications on some reply's, for some reason, but what Edge2125 said was probably the reason for my comment.
I mean if we pick between a Nuclear hellscape that enravaged the entire planet with Nuclear radiation, mutants & all sorts of depravity due to Governments fighting over a dwindling amount of burnable resources... OR a single city filled with enhanced human beings that had their DNA reconstructed granting them supernatural abilities but also causing mass addiction that could potentially lead to those said human beings killing each other over their drug. I would obviously pick the latter... Humanity can still fight back and have a decent chance against splicers and even big daddiers / sisters. Fallout wise, nothing would probably ever recover if we look at how everything turned out... Billions dead, Mutants roam every bit of land, Humans being born during this time either turn out to be fanatics, ghoulified freaks or lunatic raiders. Factions attempting to rebuild some type of civilization turn out to be corrupt or inept at their jobs leading to more people dying or being forced into labour. Last remnants of humanity elites are attempting to wipe the slate completely clean by purging all humans on earth. Last remnants of the military, either became to obsessed with hording technology that they started to fight with themselves in the process. There is no hope of salvation for Fallout, it will never be the world it once was.
Peizxcv I bought Xbox One last year and Bioshock Collection. So my experience is still quite fresh Bioshock is a great game. Amazing art, graphics , storytelling. Not as much gameplay. But that game is a piece of genuine art. But art is not for everybody and I wont force it to you.
I've played a lot of games and I have to say that Rapture has got to be the best video game setting ever. There are so many levels of depth in the societies and history of the city, and the aesthetic beauty of it is stunning. I can't be the only who got shivers when the powerpoint in the bathysphere gave way to the first sight we get of Rapture.
Andrew Ryan's ideas could have worked without his fanaticism. Science could have progressed more, but without regulations the scientific results are only known to the companies and there can be false publicity (Elizabeth states that many of the bathyspheres had issues because of cheap designs); art could have progressed more if Andrew wasn't always being the judge of it (he was against surreal and experimental art and was willing to destroy an art collection); and people could have risen from being poor to be rich if his ideals said so, but he made sure rich people stayed rich and poor stayed poor just because he and his rich friends didn't like competition (he even nationalized Fontaine's company).
Arturo Reyes Cortez And that's not getting into his underacknowledged racism as seen in his treatment of Charles Milton Porter. But you're missing another element. In addition to subtracting Ryan's flaws from the equation, those ideals would needed compromises that made it all work. Ryan's single greatest mistake was telling himself he'd never have to do that and never had, even when the opposite of the latter had happened with destructive results.
Johnathon Haney And let's not forget he let the slavery of the little sisters happen. He favors freedom, but only if it's the freedom of the strong, and in his eyes slavery and almost supernatural objects are part of free market.
Arturo Reyes Cortez Yeah, that part of things is THE most disgusting facet of the Ryan regime. That Lamb created new Little Sisters in the name of "the people" told me I needed to know about her.
I know I’m a little late to the party, but even with a pure incarnation of his ideals, corruption is inevitable. Without a higher power protecting the rights of the individual, mobs, cliques, cabals, and institutions, will erase freedoms both within and without their ranks. Self-interest is all well and good, but markets only work with perfect information and perfect reasoning on the part of the consumer, the former of which only a government can force powerful groups of people to provide, and the latter of which required an education system to even approach.
As much as I hate to enact be no true Scotsman fallacy, this was most definitely a failure of objectivist ideas. Andrew Ryan didn't create a society where anyone was free to do what they pleased, he just said that's what he was doing and then made a pyramid put himself on his buddies on top.and while Fontaine did turn out to be the major antagonist of the entire game, Andrew Ryan's forced shutdown of fontaine's companies only exemplifies this point. He didn't let the free-market sort it out, he leveraged his own power as the maker of the city just shut down the competition.
The phrase nay the speech that Andrew Ryan performs to Atlas that one sentence "you can kill me, but you'll never have my city!" is one of the most powerfully performed phrases I have ever heard and it will stick with me for the rest of my life.
This game will always have a special place in my heart. I Got my ps3 in 2007 and 1 game with it. Bioshock. I played it over and over for Months, I loved it. Now I Often go back to it just to get that feeling I got back in 2007. Beautiful.
Very nice. Love the choice of background music. Someone still had to clean the toilets. Not only that but many wanted to feel daylight on their face. And with Ryan having to bring in Lamb, someone who is in direct opposite of his philosophy, plus Fontain/Atlas, the fall would’ve happened even if Adam was taken out as a factor.
That was also a factor. Yes. Fontaine was doing illegal practices what with contraband from the surface and the Little Sister program. But at that point, Ryan thought it was safer in his hands. And may Zeon never recover.
The fall occurred when Ryan clung to his own philosophy in the first place. Fontaine's use of the Little Sisters and Big Daddies (i.e. child slaves) was accepted by Ryan specifically because it was in keeping with Objectivist principles (he only complained that they weren't more pleasant to witness wandering the city, wishing they could look a little more "tidy"). Fontaine showed up, learned the rules of Objectivism, and said "it's everything I do on the surface, except down here they pretend it's noble and so it's legal. This place was MADE for chumps like me!"
But the START of the fall occurred because of his philosophy. He openly encouraged a shared philosophy where the most ruthless bastard was not only allowed to do as he pleased, but felt justified in demanding praise and adulation for being a ruthless bastard... then he found out he wasn't the most ruthless bastard. Then he tried to use military might to stop Fontaine... which is also in keeping with Objectivist principles. According to Ayn Rand, it was 100% justified to take the land away from Native Americans because they were "savages with no concept of property rights." In other words, because they weren't strong enough to stop it, that made it justified (much like how Ryan was completely okay with turning orphan children into Little Sisters and Big Daddies against their will. Because orphan children have no rights and enslaving them is better than letting them die of starvation and stink up the place). Or to quote Adam Smith, "All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind." Simply put, he based his entire city and life around a philosophy that said "I get to be a sociopathic bastard who takes what I want," and discovered to his shock that selfish pricks aren't very good at cooperating for mutual survival.
Yes, technically, but Rapture was thriving up until that point. While what Fontaine did was sadistic and cruel, it created a boost to the economy and Rapture was doing fine. When Ryan attempted to seize and destroy Fontaine, is when the downfall really began to start.
Truly, a monument to the sins of the inhabitants of Rapture. A testament to the folly of frenzied self-indulgence, and amorality that lead to madness and mayhem. Utopia is ALWAYS a MYTH.
**entire city gets consumed in a drug addicted nightmare where crimelords begin civil wars** Andrew Ryan: "It's ok guys! The Free Market will sort things out!"
Resdyne Pretty much...he never understood the human race and was too arrogant to think he could ever be wrong. Building Rapture solved neither of those problems and in fact, led him to his doom.
First of all, brilliant video. I love this Atlas series. And, as a suggestion (probably a bad suggestion) the Sierra Madre casino, from Fallout New Vegas, is one of the saddest, creepiest and most gutwrenchingly desolate locations I've ever seen in a videogame. It could make for a fun video.
"He began making plans of *a true utopia* " **where everyone devotes to the leader and the city is an isolationist** I feel like its more like a fascist martial law.
After reviewing a lot of the economics in this game, if you want to make a closed-off society, the average pay of the workers would need an increase. They didn't adjust the wage-population balance. The Rich can't operate the day-to-day operations of maintaining their estate, they dont know how to fix pipes or shovel coal. A one day worker strike would be enough to put Rapture at the mercy of death. The fall of Rapture all depend on a slight increase in pay. A low supply of workers demands higher pay. The limited workers makes them valuable, just like doctors in the United States. Limited to 110,000 doctors trained per year while every (a little less) 4 Million babies born. This makes the doctors super valuable.
I'm very much of the opinion that even without Adam, Rapture would have fallen eventually anyway, it would have just taken longer. The massive divide between the haves and have-nots in Rapture, combined with the cultural disdain for any kind of state or private welfare is going to create a lot of desperate people and with savvy and ruthless individuals like Fontain in the city, more than willing to stir up the populace and use them as his means towards power and wealth, a revolution is frankly inevitable. Ryan's big mistake, was forgetting that society is far more complex than he realised and that for every one of 'his' people (IE self made millionairs, scientists and artists) that he wanted in Rapture, there will be thousands of regular folks, looking for something better and only finding a city where they can be utterly exploited and have no protections or fallbacks. The irony being that Fontain, is pretty much the ultimate example of Ryan's own philosophy of self-intrest and self-reliance.
I too do think without Adam, any closed off society is going to have its downfall or froze in time, like Japan/China. I understand he doesn't want his city to be found by the CIA or KGB but restricting free trade is against his very own philosophy and will have dire consequences. Restricting free trade creates Fontaine's black market where people flock into their hands to get goods unable to be provided by the Ryan where it's only fish. Fish only diet is boring. Or scientist could've start a factory to perfect the taste of an artificial chicken/pork/beef. I agree that Ryan should've studied more on a sustainable working society rather than having a society of a gifted few. They need people to do the work, to create or maintain the facility. For these gifted few to actually have new great ideas, they need to be free to go outside and have inspirations. Yet Ryan restricted travel, going against individual freedom philosophy. It gets boring, nothing new is created. I also wonder why in 1960s, Rapture's culture is still in the 40s and 50s. In Ryan the Lion Preparatory Academy's cafeteria, nothing is free. So a hotdog and hamburger cost $0.25 (i'm assuming it's by 1947 after having new residents reside there until a year before the revolt 1957) which should be at $0.32. A decade slower yet prices are the same but newer technology. The massive divide could've just been resolved if their pay were increased but Fontaine used his soup kitchens to stir up a revolt as the people had more of a personal connection of him. Conversing with the poor man's savior, giving speeches, creating a cult, helping out the poor. From my perspective, the rich is very isolationist or non-progressives, progressors, progressionalistic? What I mean is they just want to stay the same, which is just not what Ryan envision, he wants progress not held back by petty morality. (From my own entrepreneurial perspective) I could've used my money to create an Entrepreneurial centre where the gifted/creative lower class would come introduce their idea, if I like it they'll get my funding and have a large percentage of equity of the company they'll be starting up. I make money, they make money, more jobs are created and a cycle continues. Could've open a trademark/legal property protection agency to protect my interest. Create a law firm. Other rich fellas gotta have to buy my rights for a contract, negotiating royalty rate, payment term, signing of contract, expiry date. All those could've make me more money but the rich rather stay cozy and not actively pursuing for a better opportunity.
Japan has a lot of an objectivist society. Their kids are taught for years "reason" and shield them against double-thinks, or in other words, contradictory beliefs, which is something that characterizes communism. No wonder it's the 3rd richest country in the world. The US as the richest, also has a lot of objectivism and libertarianism, core ideas that led to its creation.
@@Yourebeautyfull submarine cities do face hazards nothing else, not even O'neil cylinders would have to, but we've settled in the arctic and antarctic, so communities under the ocean are, I believe, inevitable, presuming there's anything down there we can use to justify the otherwise ruinous expense of the maintenance required. it wont be art-deco, sadly, but that'll just help make cleaning the barnacles off easier.
To me, the great irony of Bioshock is that in the end, it wasn’t Adam or Fontaine that destroyed Rapture. Rather, it was both the man and the ideology that originally created Rapture that was ultimately responsible for the city’s downfall. Andrew’s free market policies, combined with his negligence and inability to properly respond to crisis created an environment that allowed for rampant corruption and exploitation of the poor. Adam was merely the spark that set the tinderbox aflame, so to speak.
Ahhh memoirs. Not one bad moment in these games or a bad game really. YES I SAID IT FIGHT ME YOU SCRUB!!! I'm referring to Bioshock 2, in case you weren't following. And I stand by what I said.
Mr. Smile Bioshock 2 and its DLC Minerva's Den are my faves of the series, hands down. The former is a dissection of parenthood and the subtle, destructive ways we hurt or help our children (the good ending always makes cry). The latter is an unacknowledged love story, a love triangle consisting of two men and a thinking machine. It has a "happy" ending that only comes from finally accepting a loss many years before.
I find that last statement (there is always a man, there is always a city) somewhat out of place given that theme was used in Bioshock Infinite and pretty much means there are parallel world that the Lutece twins can get a new Booker DeWitt if the last one failed.
You do business as long as I have, and you learn to pick a brand name from the writin on the wall. -Augustus Sinclair. By far one of my favorite games, a shooter with a philosophical dilemma in every game. Much love for y’all. Would love to see more on these games, Columbia maybe?
I learned about the horror aspect from a TH-camr called “History Behind The Horror” But this was still informative keep up with the videos I enjoys them
God what I wouldn't give to be immersed in the setting of Rapture again. One can only hope Bioshock 4 takes us back there. Maybe this time as a citizen, and we get to experience some of what the city was like before its fall.
This is why someone should make a super ambitious new Bioshock made for the new consoles. Where the whole city is accessible. With photorealistic graphics. This is why someone should make an awesome Bioshock movie. Done right both, game and movie, would be blockbusters.
I've recently discovered your videos and they are amazing, they're so detailed! Would you be open to doing a video from Altered Carbon? On the Protectorate or something?
We can debate this subject to no end. And while I enjoy a good debate, as well agreeing to disagree, I still have no complaints against this article and your comments. One thing is clear:rapture was a WORST case scenario of what NOT TO DO.
"Thinker, bring up the history of Rapture." It is important to bring up the novel Rapture, where Fontaine took advantage of the economic inequality, preying on those who were the most vulnerable. With no oversight nor regulations employers could abuse their workers and ignore the idea of morality and basic human rights. Business owners could seize monopolies and push others out of their businesses, as those like Fontaine did. As more and more took advantage of one another and abandoned their morality for the sake of survival, a true sink or swim ideology, worshipping the survival of the fittest. Men like Bill McDonagh were a truly rare thing, the worst of the worst thrived while those who held onto senses of decency suffered. It asks a profound question: when we are under no obligation to, do we still hold true to our altruism?
Itd be neat if like sometime in the future an actual Bioshock game comes out were we return to rapture or at least its remains. To see what happened to the eutopia that destroyed itself from within. And find what horrors remain of those who tried to become gods.
I read the novel. Other than deciding to sell products that turn people into mutant monsters... the main issue was they kept letting more people in without letting anyone leave which led to a pressure cooker of discontent.
It was more than just the strike instigated by Fontaine. That sociopathic mobster had also created the very conditions that lead to his 'Atlas' alter ego gaining control of a starved and juiced up (thanks to Fontaine Industries's Adam production) mob. One asshole doing what ever the fuck he wanted without caring about what happened to every one else as long as they did what he wanted before they kicked out. Ryan and most of his group got complacent, Fontaine ( a Judas Iscariot, he was one of the founding members) took advantage. The result is a story that is hailed as showing the failings of libertarianism, when in actuality it shows the flaw with any society. A few well connected charismatic sociopaths gain all the power and fuck every thing up.........
Libertarianism has the most vulnerability to it, as unlike other systems which do have at least some level of security. Security violates their ideology which makes things highly unstable.
Corwin Hyatt Also, it’s quite ironic that in the end, Fontaine was the only true objectivists in Rapture: he didn’t care about anyone other than himself.
Great episode :3 I've never actually played the game before, so this was super interesting to me. :D Another place that could be interesting for this series is Pelican Town/Stardew Valley :) Keep up the amazing work! :D #proudpatron
Libertarianism only seems to work if everyone is perfect. Which would indeed be true of all political affiliations. But it just seems like something that just wouldn't work. Even if you believe in perfect selfishness, and refuse to aid the less advantaged or disabled and insist it's moral to leave them to die, do you want a whole bunch of unemployed, unemployable people walking around, just waiting to cause trouble?
Excellent presentation, would you please do the Martian Congressional Republic from The Expanse at some point in the future (the books would have more information than the TV series I'm currently reading Leviathan wakes).
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Would you kindly talk about monarch from the King Kong movie
Can you do the Detroit: Become Human on how it started?
Would you kindly go to ryans office and kill the son of a b!tch
I don’t understand why Atlas is put in title, the video is more about the creation of Rapture...
“A man chooses, a slave obeys.” ~ Andrew Ryan
A 40k Weeb Ironic that Ryan himself was every bit the slave to his own ego and need to stay in control. To the very last, he could never admit that a lot of what wrong was because he did this to himself.
or that Adam made willing slaves on its users
Sir Aroun It just hit me...Ryan was every bit the addict that the Splicers were. The only difference? His drug of choice, which was his ego.
Rose BPOS Small problem...it's also the bottom of the ocean, which means they also need to withstand overwhelming ocean pressures and not freeze to death from the subzero temperatures. Do you REALLY think Ryan would genetically alter people enough to make that much happen, especially when deep-sea brass suits do the same trick?
Rose BPOS A free market that Ryan tried to muscle whenever he saw a threat (see Frankie Fontaine). For commercial purposes, sure, he'd have no objections. But why bother with all that when you've got the more pliable Big Daddies and before them vulnerable humans in the brass suits I mentioned? Do not forget how deeply paranoid he was over internal and external threats.
Who would win?
Stefan Molyneux's perfect Anarcho-Capitalist Society...
OR?
One sea slug...
*sea slug grabs kelp snacks and watches rapture destroy itself unaided*
Not an argument
I mean as long as you don't violate the NAP then I wouldn't have to launch cluster bombs on your side of the city.
Most unbelievable part of this story is that a man from Washington answered "It belongs to the poor"
Back then taxes on the wealthy were much higher so to someone like Ryan it would seem like his money is being taken to fund the newly created social programs for the poor.
In 40s, US expands or created many social programs under FDR administration so, in Ryan's eye and time period, it makes sense.
@@TheSpartan3669 lets go back to that time
@@RetroRadianceLight Amen
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So Adam caused the fall from paradise?
Sounds about right. For all their talk of no gods, the denizens of Rapture sure did love their biblical allusions.
Justafan IV And Greek myth allusions. You see them sprinkled throughout Rapture in the form of place names.
I would like to know, what Adam does to wildlife around Rapture?
Dragonfist12185 Being on the ocean floor, there's mercifully not a lot of that. As it was a product of the native sea slugs, I'd want to think it had some natural resistance to it that humans didn't.
Johnathon Haney I'm just wondering what affect Adam would have on a Goblin 🦈..
Justafan IV there was never a paradise. Man born to the wild is wild at heart.
For me Bioshock actual made the world of Fallout look like a better outcome for humanity.
one of the reasons i love fallout 4 is that the commonwealth is the midpoint between fallout 1+3, and 2+New Vegas, where *you* get to build a new society
Why would a nuking of an entire world be better than a failure of a largely-unknown isolated city?
@@XzaroX its not better so much as, there doesn't seem to be a way back for Rapture, (or Columbia) whereas the Fallout world is unequivocally rebuilding from the ruins of its' leaders' hubris. Bioshock's story is about charting the downward spiral of the cities at the core of the story, Fallout's is about both charting that downward spiral AND building back up
@@XzaroX I.....can't really remember, I'm sure there was a reason I thought that, however, this was like.....3 years ago, since then I've had multiple hospital visits, worried if I was going to be employed or not after the lockdowns, multiple car breakdowns, covid, more car breakdowns, so I've been more concerned over real world factors then fictional ones.
Update; Okay, so I'm not getting notifications on some reply's, for some reason, but what Edge2125 said was probably the reason for my comment.
I mean if we pick between a Nuclear hellscape that enravaged the entire planet with Nuclear radiation, mutants & all sorts of depravity due to Governments fighting over a dwindling amount of burnable resources... OR a single city filled with enhanced human beings that had their DNA reconstructed granting them supernatural abilities but also causing mass addiction that could potentially lead to those said human beings killing each other over their drug. I would obviously pick the latter... Humanity can still fight back and have a decent chance against splicers and even big daddiers / sisters.
Fallout wise, nothing would probably ever recover if we look at how everything turned out... Billions dead, Mutants roam every bit of land, Humans being born during this time either turn out to be fanatics, ghoulified freaks or lunatic raiders. Factions attempting to rebuild some type of civilization turn out to be corrupt or inept at their jobs leading to more people dying or being forced into labour. Last remnants of humanity elites are attempting to wipe the slate completely clean by purging all humans on earth. Last remnants of the military, either became to obsessed with hording technology that they started to fight with themselves in the process. There is no hope of salvation for Fallout, it will never be the world it once was.
BioShock: making golf an interesting game since 2007.
Alex P Why golf?
Play Bioshock and you will know.
LocalHeretic 1127 I avoided that game for 10 years because it is scary and not gonna start now.
Peizxcv I bought Xbox One last year and Bioshock Collection. So my experience is still quite fresh
Bioshock is a great game. Amazing art, graphics , storytelling.
Not as much gameplay. But that game is a piece of genuine art.
But art is not for everybody and I wont force it to you.
Peizxcv you're missing out. It's not called one of the greatest games of all time for nothing.
I've played a lot of games and I have to say that Rapture has got to be the best video game setting ever.
There are so many levels of depth in the societies and history of the city, and the aesthetic beauty of it is stunning. I can't be the only who got shivers when the powerpoint in the bathysphere gave way to the first sight we get of Rapture.
We all make choices. But in the end, our choices make us. - Andrew Ryan
Andrew Ryan*
DavidKC Too bad he could never face up to the consequences of his own choices. Rapture's fall was always someone else's fault.
DavidKC according to Schopenhauer, we don't make choices as we always pick the choice that we hope will end on the best outcomes for us.
@@karolean8342 that's....what making a choice is
Not entirely a true statement, but ok
Andrew Ryan's ideas could have worked without his fanaticism. Science could have progressed more, but without regulations the scientific results are only known to the companies and there can be false publicity (Elizabeth states that many of the bathyspheres had issues because of cheap designs); art could have progressed more if Andrew wasn't always being the judge of it (he was against surreal and experimental art and was willing to destroy an art collection); and people could have risen from being poor to be rich if his ideals said so, but he made sure rich people stayed rich and poor stayed poor just because he and his rich friends didn't like competition (he even nationalized Fontaine's company).
Arturo Reyes Cortez And that's not getting into his underacknowledged racism as seen in his treatment of Charles Milton Porter. But you're missing another element. In addition to subtracting Ryan's flaws from the equation, those ideals would needed compromises that made it all work. Ryan's single greatest mistake was telling himself he'd never have to do that and never had, even when the opposite of the latter had happened with destructive results.
Johnathon Haney And let's not forget he let the slavery of the little sisters happen. He favors freedom, but only if it's the freedom of the strong, and in his eyes slavery and almost supernatural objects are part of free market.
Arturo Reyes Cortez Yeah, that part of things is THE most disgusting facet of the Ryan regime. That Lamb created new Little Sisters in the name of "the people" told me I needed to know about her.
I know I’m a little late to the party, but even with a pure incarnation of his ideals, corruption is inevitable. Without a higher power protecting the rights of the individual, mobs, cliques, cabals, and institutions, will erase freedoms both within and without their ranks. Self-interest is all well and good, but markets only work with perfect information and perfect reasoning on the part of the consumer, the former of which only a government can force powerful groups of people to provide, and the latter of which required an education system to even approach.
As much as I hate to enact be no true Scotsman fallacy, this was most definitely a failure of objectivist ideas. Andrew Ryan didn't create a society where anyone was free to do what they pleased, he just said that's what he was doing and then made a pyramid put himself on his buddies on top.and while Fontaine did turn out to be the major antagonist of the entire game, Andrew Ryan's forced shutdown of fontaine's companies only exemplifies this point. He didn't let the free-market sort it out, he leveraged his own power as the maker of the city just shut down the competition.
i think bioshock defines humanity in alot of aspects, how we rise and crumble to the same vices that push us further
Eh, not really
A game released 11 years ago and we are still talking about it, shows you how much of a masterpeice it is.
The phrase nay the speech that Andrew Ryan performs to Atlas that one sentence "you can kill me, but you'll never have my city!" is one of the most powerfully performed phrases I have ever heard and it will stick with me for the rest of my life.
This game will always have a special place in my heart. I Got my ps3 in 2007 and 1 game with it. Bioshock. I played it over and over for Months, I loved it. Now I Often go back to it just to get that feeling I got back in 2007. Beautiful.
Very nice. Love the choice of background music.
Someone still had to clean the toilets. Not only that but many wanted to feel daylight on their face. And with Ryan having to bring in Lamb, someone who is in direct opposite of his philosophy, plus Fontain/Atlas, the fall would’ve happened even if Adam was taken out as a factor.
That was also a factor. Yes. Fontaine was doing illegal practices what with contraband from the surface and the Little Sister program. But at that point, Ryan thought it was safer in his hands.
And may Zeon never recover.
The fall occurred when Ryan clung to his own philosophy in the first place. Fontaine's use of the Little Sisters and Big Daddies (i.e. child slaves) was accepted by Ryan specifically because it was in keeping with Objectivist principles (he only complained that they weren't more pleasant to witness wandering the city, wishing they could look a little more "tidy"). Fontaine showed up, learned the rules of Objectivism, and said "it's everything I do on the surface, except down here they pretend it's noble and so it's legal. This place was MADE for chumps like me!"
Yes... and then Ryan went against this and took him out, thus going against his own philosophy.
But the START of the fall occurred because of his philosophy. He openly encouraged a shared philosophy where the most ruthless bastard was not only allowed to do as he pleased, but felt justified in demanding praise and adulation for being a ruthless bastard... then he found out he wasn't the most ruthless bastard.
Then he tried to use military might to stop Fontaine... which is also in keeping with Objectivist principles. According to Ayn Rand, it was 100% justified to take the land away from Native Americans because they were "savages with no concept of property rights." In other words, because they weren't strong enough to stop it, that made it justified (much like how Ryan was completely okay with turning orphan children into Little Sisters and Big Daddies against their will. Because orphan children have no rights and enslaving them is better than letting them die of starvation and stink up the place).
Or to quote Adam Smith, "All for ourselves, and nothing for other people, seems, in every age of the world, to have been the vile maxim of the masters of mankind."
Simply put, he based his entire city and life around a philosophy that said "I get to be a sociopathic bastard who takes what I want," and discovered to his shock that selfish pricks aren't very good at cooperating for mutual survival.
Yes, technically, but Rapture was thriving up until that point. While what Fontaine did was sadistic and cruel, it created a boost to the economy and Rapture was doing fine. When Ryan attempted to seize and destroy Fontaine, is when the downfall really began to start.
Truly, a monument to the sins of the inhabitants of Rapture. A testament to the folly of frenzied self-indulgence, and amorality that lead to madness and mayhem. Utopia is ALWAYS a MYTH.
**entire city gets consumed in a drug addicted nightmare where crimelords begin civil wars**
Andrew Ryan: "It's ok guys! The Free Market will sort things out!"
That opening ambiance made it sound like the Institute sprung a leak.
Sounds like he didnt understand the world, so he tried to make his own
I'd say he took a good long look at the world, and was discussed by everything he saw in it. So then he set out to created his ideal vision of it.
Mr. Smile disgusted by even the noblest goals, what andrew said about the man in the different nations, seemed very self revisionist.
Resdyne Pretty much...he never understood the human race and was too arrogant to think he could ever be wrong. Building Rapture solved neither of those problems and in fact, led him to his doom.
First of all, brilliant video. I love this Atlas series.
And, as a suggestion (probably a bad suggestion) the Sierra Madre casino, from Fallout New Vegas, is one of the saddest, creepiest and most gutwrenchingly desolate locations I've ever seen in a videogame. It could make for a fun video.
"He began making plans of *a true utopia* "
**where everyone devotes to the leader and the city is an isolationist**
I feel like its more like a fascist martial law.
Do Colombia next from bioshock infinite.
After reviewing a lot of the economics in this game, if you want to make a closed-off society, the average pay of the workers would need an increase. They didn't adjust the wage-population balance. The Rich can't operate the day-to-day operations of maintaining their estate, they dont know how to fix pipes or shovel coal. A one day worker strike would be enough to put Rapture at the mercy of death. The fall of Rapture all depend on a slight increase in pay. A low supply of workers demands higher pay.
The limited workers makes them valuable, just like doctors in the United States. Limited to 110,000 doctors trained per year while every (a little less) 4 Million babies born. This makes the doctors super valuable.
I'm very much of the opinion that even without Adam, Rapture would have fallen eventually anyway, it would have just taken longer. The massive divide between the haves and have-nots in Rapture, combined with the cultural disdain for any kind of state or private welfare is going to create a lot of desperate people and with savvy and ruthless individuals like Fontain in the city, more than willing to stir up the populace and use them as his means towards power and wealth, a revolution is frankly inevitable.
Ryan's big mistake, was forgetting that society is far more complex than he realised and that for every one of 'his' people (IE self made millionairs, scientists and artists) that he wanted in Rapture, there will be thousands of regular folks, looking for something better and only finding a city where they can be utterly exploited and have no protections or fallbacks.
The irony being that Fontain, is pretty much the ultimate example of Ryan's own philosophy of self-intrest and self-reliance.
I too do think without Adam, any closed off society is going to have its downfall or froze in time, like Japan/China. I understand he doesn't want his city to be found by the CIA or KGB but restricting free trade is against his very own philosophy and will have dire consequences. Restricting free trade creates Fontaine's black market where people flock into their hands to get goods unable to be provided by the Ryan where it's only fish. Fish only diet is boring. Or scientist could've start a factory to perfect the taste of an artificial chicken/pork/beef.
I agree that Ryan should've studied more on a sustainable working society rather than having a society of a gifted few. They need people to do the work, to create or maintain the facility. For these gifted few to actually have new great ideas, they need to be free to go outside and have inspirations. Yet Ryan restricted travel, going against individual freedom philosophy. It gets boring, nothing new is created. I also wonder why in 1960s, Rapture's culture is still in the 40s and 50s. In Ryan the Lion Preparatory Academy's cafeteria, nothing is free. So a hotdog and hamburger cost $0.25 (i'm assuming it's by 1947 after having new residents reside there until a year before the revolt 1957) which should be at $0.32. A decade slower yet prices are the same but newer technology.
The massive divide could've just been resolved if their pay were increased but Fontaine used his soup kitchens to stir up a revolt as the people had more of a personal connection of him. Conversing with the poor man's savior, giving speeches, creating a cult, helping out the poor. From my perspective, the rich is very isolationist or non-progressives, progressors, progressionalistic? What I mean is they just want to stay the same, which is just not what Ryan envision, he wants progress not held back by petty morality.
(From my own entrepreneurial perspective) I could've used my money to create an Entrepreneurial centre where the gifted/creative lower class would come introduce their idea, if I like it they'll get my funding and have a large percentage of equity of the company they'll be starting up. I make money, they make money, more jobs are created and a cycle continues. Could've open a trademark/legal property protection agency to protect my interest. Create a law firm. Other rich fellas gotta have to buy my rights for a contract, negotiating royalty rate, payment term, signing of contract, expiry date. All those could've make me more money but the rich rather stay cozy and not actively pursuing for a better opportunity.
The production value on these videos is amazing, every one looks like it could be a DVD bonus feature, keep up the astounding work!
Rapture was a great concept.. Loved these games.
ADAM was discovered on the Eve of Destruction :)
I'm not an objectivist but I can't help but love Rapture. :)
Eric Southard There is much to admire about that Art Deco Atlantis. Its people in charge was never one of them, Ryan included.
I think it sounds wonderful as a concept if you ignore a large part of reality... But then again, in reality it would probably suck :P
Japan has a lot of an objectivist society. Their kids are taught for years "reason" and shield them against double-thinks, or in other words, contradictory beliefs, which is something that characterizes communism. No wonder it's the 3rd richest country in the world.
The US as the richest, also has a lot of objectivism and libertarianism, core ideas that led to its creation.
@@nixtoshi you clearly don't know what communism means
@@Yourebeautyfull submarine cities do face hazards nothing else, not even O'neil cylinders would have to, but we've settled in the arctic and antarctic, so communities under the ocean are, I believe, inevitable, presuming there's anything down there we can use to justify the otherwise ruinous expense of the maintenance required. it wont be art-deco, sadly, but that'll just help make cleaning the barnacles off easier.
One word. One french word.
*Impressionnant.*
To me, the great irony of Bioshock is that in the end, it wasn’t Adam or Fontaine that destroyed Rapture. Rather, it was both the man and the ideology that originally created Rapture that was ultimately responsible for the city’s downfall. Andrew’s free market policies, combined with his negligence and inability to properly respond to crisis created an environment that allowed for rampant corruption and exploitation of the poor. Adam was merely the spark that set the tinderbox aflame, so to speak.
Ahhh memoirs. Not one bad moment in these games or a bad game really.
YES I SAID IT FIGHT ME YOU SCRUB!!!
I'm referring to Bioshock 2, in case you weren't following. And I stand by what I said.
Mr. Smile Bioshock 2 and its DLC Minerva's Den are my faves of the series, hands down. The former is a dissection of parenthood and the subtle, destructive ways we hurt or help our children (the good ending always makes cry). The latter is an unacknowledged love story, a love triangle consisting of two men and a thinking machine. It has a "happy" ending that only comes from finally accepting a loss many years before.
Always a world. Always a faction. Always a Templin Institute video.
Okay ... crossing Rapture off my list of vacation spots ... :P
I always thought "Rupture" was a more fitting name for the city. Although that name is associated with a more agricultural persuasion.
Pudlord Tynan No, sounds legit. From the structural integrity of the city to the ideals of its founder, rupture is exactly what it did.
The idea is that, in rapture, the good and the worthy will be taken to heaven, just as artists and intellectuals flocked to Rapture.
Sad thing is we didn't get to see it at it's pinnacle just the wreck afterwards. Would have been an interesting game is they had followed up
Tlasan Dukats Actually, we kind of did. Part I of Burial At Sea showed off the positives and day to day life of Rapture.
@@johnathonhaney8291 for the rich mostly
This is exactly what i wanted but didnt know i wanted i love the templin institute i wish this was somehow longer...
Love this game. Templin Institute, keep it up.
Atlas is my favorite sub series.I feel like Dossier and Bestiary topics are already covered by too many channels.
Kaer Morhen or something else from Witcher Universe. I loved your Empire of Nilfgaard episode :D
I find that last statement (there is always a man, there is always a city) somewhat out of place given that theme was used in Bioshock Infinite and pretty much means there are parallel world that the Lutece twins can get a new Booker DeWitt if the last one failed.
I really love the era that BioShock is set in and Rapture is actually a good idea, does anyone else think that? Seriously I love it.
You guys should do Columbia from BioShock Infinite next
Im in middle of playthrough of BioShock right now :)
Suggestion: Maybe the Combine? It'd be bloody awesome.
“No gods or kings. Only man.”
You do business as long as I have, and you learn to pick a brand name from the writin on the wall. -Augustus Sinclair.
By far one of my favorite games, a shooter with a philosophical dilemma in every game. Much love for y’all.
Would love to see more on these games, Columbia maybe?
I learned about the horror aspect from a TH-camr called “History Behind The Horror”
But this was still informative keep up with the videos I enjoys them
Will you do Colombia next?
Now do Columbia from Bioshock Infinite
That was either the best done scary thing I've ever seen on " the tube" or the scariest well done thing.
Loved the video, I’ve always been curious about the basic lore behind bioshock. Keep them coming!
I actually love this channel and these types of videos SO much
God what I wouldn't give to be immersed in the setting of Rapture again. One can only hope Bioshock 4 takes us back there. Maybe this time as a citizen, and we get to experience some of what the city was like before its fall.
well edited, well written and well narrated. thank you!
This is why someone should make a super ambitious new Bioshock made for the new consoles. Where the whole city is accessible. With photorealistic graphics.
This is why someone should make an awesome Bioshock movie. Done right both, game and movie, would be blockbusters.
-Sits in the corner, waiting for another Warhammer video-
Love the vid and your twitch streams!
I've recently discovered your videos and they are amazing, they're so detailed! Would you be open to doing a video from Altered Carbon? On the Protectorate or something?
Amazing video!!! Now if we see an Atlas about Columbia then I will truly be happy
Amazing! I'd like to propose a video on why world conquest is impractical next
The choice of background music for this video is just perfect.
Why haven't they made a movie, tv, or even a Netflix series of Bioshock yet??
It was proposed at Universal Studios, but they cancelled the project since the budget cost was way too high. :(
When you hit rock bottom. The only way to go is up. Rapture is dead.
This was wonderful. I hope you'll make a video about Columbia as well!
The pan pacific defense force (Pacific Rim movies)
"Would You Kindly like this comment?"
A man chooses....a slave OBEYS!
NEVER! (Likes the comment) DAMMIT!
@@michaelbarney4060 Very Good.
How about No, my dear. *Smile kindly and keep his arms crossed.*
Sorry ur not the only person I’ve said this too but shut the fuck up this is the most overused comment!!!!
“Would you like to know more?”-Star Ship Troopers
What a masterpiece!
Great episode, loved it. Everything about it. How do i bribe the institute into doing the camarilla or the scp foundation?
*"A Man Chooses, A Slave Obeys"*
Awesome stuff, as always. Maybe Camarilla (VtM) next? ;)
The Templin Institute covering the Templars from Assassins Creed would be quite interesting. 😂
Another beautiful video with a great ending. *applauds*
We can debate this subject to no end. And while I enjoy a good debate, as well agreeing to disagree, I still have no complaints against this article and your comments. One thing is clear:rapture was a WORST case scenario of what NOT TO DO.
"Thinker, bring up the history of Rapture." It is important to bring up the novel Rapture, where Fontaine took advantage of the economic inequality, preying on those who were the most vulnerable. With no oversight nor regulations employers could abuse their workers and ignore the idea of morality and basic human rights. Business owners could seize monopolies and push others out of their businesses, as those like Fontaine did. As more and more took advantage of one another and abandoned their morality for the sake of survival, a true sink or swim ideology, worshipping the survival of the fittest. Men like Bill McDonagh were a truly rare thing, the worst of the worst thrived while those who held onto senses of decency suffered. It asks a profound question: when we are under no obligation to, do we still hold true to our altruism?
Great choice in music!
does this mean that Columbia from BioShock III is going to be featured next?
Benjamin Zbogar Technically, Bioshock Infinite is Bioshock III. There was a II and contrary to what you might have been told, it was excellent.
Itd be neat if like sometime in the future an actual Bioshock game comes out were we return to rapture or at least its remains. To see what happened to the eutopia that destroyed itself from within. And find what horrors remain of those who tried to become gods.
First off, great episode! Second, can we do the Sierra Madre from Fallout: New Vegas next?
You should totally do a video on the Galactic Federation from Metroid!
space pirates>federation
Brilliant work on this.
Good timing with the musical outro.
I read the novel. Other than deciding to sell products that turn people into mutant monsters... the main issue was they kept letting more people in without letting anyone leave which led to a pressure cooker of discontent.
Beautiful video! Please do Columbia as well!
creates a paradise for some and one strike collapses entire society *libertarians cry*
It was more than just the strike instigated by Fontaine. That sociopathic mobster had also created the very conditions that lead to his 'Atlas' alter ego gaining control of a starved and juiced up (thanks to Fontaine Industries's Adam production) mob. One asshole doing what ever the fuck he wanted without caring about what happened to every one else as long as they did what he wanted before they kicked out. Ryan and most of his group got complacent, Fontaine ( a Judas Iscariot, he was one of the founding members) took advantage. The result is a story that is hailed as showing the failings of libertarianism, when in actuality it shows the flaw with any society. A few well connected charismatic sociopaths gain all the power and fuck every thing up.........
Libertarianism has the most vulnerability to it, as unlike other systems which do have at least some level of security. Security violates their ideology which makes things highly unstable.
it's a utopian pipe dream just as communism is, and the byproducts of its use and misuse are just as harmful.
Corwin Hyatt Also, it’s quite ironic that in the end, Fontaine was the only true objectivists in Rapture: he didn’t care about anyone other than himself.
Gosh do I enjoy your archives. Now, I know this might be hard to do but... The SCP Foundation? Maybe?
bioshock 2 being a big daddy is the most fun and care that love
that was fantastic! also would u kindly do columbia as well?
Rhis makes me want to watch all the videos about the lore
amazing choice of music, We Ayn Rand would be proud...
Wow....the music is so soothing that I forgot that the narrator is describing the apocalypse of man’s made underwater world.
Great episode :3 I've never actually played the game before, so this was super interesting to me. :D
Another place that could be interesting for this series is Pelican Town/Stardew Valley :)
Keep up the amazing work! :D #proudpatron
Libertarianism only seems to work if everyone is perfect. Which would indeed be true of all political affiliations. But it just seems like something that just wouldn't work. Even if you believe in perfect selfishness, and refuse to aid the less advantaged or disabled and insist it's moral to leave them to die, do you want a whole bunch of unemployed, unemployable people walking around, just waiting to cause trouble?
An idea for your next episode the coalition of ordered governments from gears of war
Please do the Universal Union from the half-life universe.
All good things on this earth flow into the city
The Cybran, UEF and EON plus the alliens of "Supreme Commander". I think that is a nice Vid.
This was a great video!
Great choice in background music. Sander Cohen would be proud.
Excellent presentation,
would you please do the Martian Congressional Republic from The Expanse at some point in the future (the books would have more information than the TV series I'm currently reading Leviathan wakes).
Rapture is one of my favorite video game cities.
Really well done guys!
I love Bioshock!
Great video about great game.