I think I remember seeing the way to get the extra Djura dialogue is to be in a co-op session with someone else, and then let the host die to him. If you do that then I think his dialogue plays over you getting kicked out of their game.
I don't think this is the reason, because I have had both dialogues on separate characters, and neither of them used co-op throughout that area. The difference between my 2 characters is that I defeated Amilia and befriended Djura on the one where I got that "think on its purpose" dialogue, so perhaps it has something to do with that.
You don't have to jump from that small beam as suggested in the video in order to get it... jumping from the platform below works just as fine and is really easy.
Guys, don't make that jump from the rafter for the bloody messenger head bandage. You can drop down on the platform to the left and then make the jump from there. It's a little bit more difficult, but WAY less risky.
The first lore video that I'd love to see is for Eileen The Crow. She's so mysterious and seems to know all about the hunter's dream. I died to her while trying to get her gear and weapon and her dialogue is interesting. She said "tell the doll that I said hello" she's very mysterious.
Maybe Djura knows something we don't? I mean him and Eileen once Dreamed as our character did/does and he's the only hunter we encounter that tells us their feelings of the Hunt and in his case he uses the word horrific. So instead of giving thought to just the Hunt and it's purpose, we're giving more thought to everything and not just the Hunt. This means we're now thinking more about the Healing Church and it's experiments, and the Great Ones along with their relationship as well as the Blood administration . So he could know something that our character doesn't know. I think it's worth noting that he is blind just like other npcs that seek more "eyes." Or the patch just done goofed the dialogue somehow.
He is only blind in one eye. and he is really just trying to protect the beasts in my opinion, it' s not the beasts fault to have become what they now are, it was the healing churche s fault, so I guess Djura simply felt an obbligation to protect them.
***** yyes! I didn' t remember about that description, but that' s what I thought. He kinda suggests that too when he says "those who you hunt, they aren' t beasts, they' re people".
aghostshell I don't think Djura knows a whole lot about the story. He's just got a soft heart and the hunt certainly doesn't appear at all humane, especially looking at what was done to the huge beast strung up inside the building just past him, and to BSB. Insanity is linked with knowledge (since higher Insight means lower Frenzy defense), and his armor has one of the highest frenzy resist stats in the game. I think he's the sanest guy in Yharnam, including the player character. But this also means he probably lacks Insight, and is the least aware of the cosmic shenanigans.
Zach Newcomb You could say that about every area in the game. I managed to miss that area on my first playthrough because I was more concerned about the guy trying to shoot me dead.
@@romeovereeken712 defeat the blood starved beast. after that snatchers will appear around yharnam. get killed by a snatcher. you'll awaken in the unseen village of yahar'gul. go downstairs and find the hole in the wall (where those two witches are). go through it and you'll find the darkbeast paarl.
@@Apocalyptic343 o ok I will try and then die cause it looks like a huge beast and then he probably have multiple attacks and fast one’s but il try thank you
I feel so dumb... I was watching the newer stuff on the Powder Keg hunters, and I thought he was saying Powder Cake. I chuckled every time... but now I'm disappointed. o-o
I think I found something out about the intro cinematic. You the player have a simple goal, find the a cure to your aliment and Yharnam. The only why though you see to seek about your aliment, is to go through a blood transfusion for the becoming a Beast. When the player goes to find someone to preform this transfusion, they find a man who says he can offer more than just a blood transfusion. A contract. He tells you you have an even greater chance of survival should you sign the contract. When the blood transfusion is complete, the player sees a peculiar and very distinct Beast. This beast spawns from a seemingly bottomless pool of blood, it reaches out to kill the player but immediately catches fire as Messengers begin to suffocate the player. This Beast was not just any Beast, it was the players Beast Form. It was a battle of dominance, for control over the players body, If the Beast had killed the player he/she would have become another mindless Beast of Yharnam. Because the player was suffocated by The Messengers he never lost control of his body, but was never given true free will to do as he/she pleased. Like a puppet on strings. The player was then trapped in The Hunter's Dream, granted most of the Beasts strengths. But the player is never given a true sense to of control, they are now completely under the will of both Gehrman and The Moon Presence. Though the player can defeat the Gehrman and The Moon Presence, in the end they are never truly free or in control of The Hunter's Dream.
Vaati you forgot to mention a thing : If you select the option to spare the beasts of old yharnam when talking to Djura, and then you go kill the beasts, he has new dialogues, and when you die he says something badass .
He says "You still dream I should think? Then come as often as you like, I'll show you another death." implying that all the deaths your character goes through are actually canon.
@@neshuneshuification2609 there are plenty of other videos and wikis on Bloodborne by now. I think it involved dropping down to a hidden room somewhere but my memory is foggy after not playing for half a year.
@@llOathkeeperll thanks for the reply Btw oathkeeper its a great username Idk if its from Kingdom hearts or game of thrones oathkeeper, but boths are good
Here's the weird thing about the spear hunter. Durring my current playthrough I just rushed passed him not wanting to kill any beasts there so I can get the emote later. I was climbing down the ladder to the Bloodstarved beast and he just fell down past me and died.
Tbh i'm playing Dark Souls 3 as my first game of the Fromsoft, idk why but it just sticks to me (have 20+ hours ingame and have only killed Abyss Watchers, beautiful fight, and cleared the Smoldering Lake... my greatest challenge was that Knight Slayer... his big ass sword made me weary of getting up-close and personal with him, therefore lost all fights till i noticed he takes hits like a b****) I've tried the other Souls games but i prefer the 3rd... That being said, i do NOT own a PS, therefore i cannot, and desperately want to play BloodBorne. I think it's rather harder than DS, but i love it's lore so much more, in great part thanks to VaatiVidya and EpicNameBro.
Considering that Miyazaki was against the idea of DS2, because he wanted to move on from Souls games, I think it comes as granted, that DS3 feels a little sloppy. Compared to Bloodborne anyways, which is the best work of Fromsoft so far IMO.
Hell no. Miyazaki was working on Bloodborne while DS2 was being made. They fucked it all up without him, so he wasn't about to let these nerds finish Dark Souls on a shitty note. I think DS3 is just about perfect.
BB was my first FromSoft game, followed quickly by DS3. Those two games, if you play them a certain way, feel almost identical. Stay away from shields in DS3 and the only real difference is the speed of the gameplay. Nothing will be as frantic or fast-paced as Bloodborne
I'm glad you have the ability to admit your mistakes. I would believe pretty much anything in your videos, so to see that you make sure to fact-check yourself makes me respect you quite a bit.
I had the line that Djura says in my first playthrough he didn't get a chance to complete it but the subtitle showed up and it was "For the hunt and it's purpose"
aresdotexe don't know about you but i got to Djura 4 hours after the game released maybe a patch made it like this but with the game unpatched you see the dialogue in subtitle but he doesn't have enough time to say it
Great work! I'm a huge fan of the souls series and of your channel in particular and just wanted to say how much your videos enhanced the Soul-Xperience for me and some of my friends! Have to commend you for the content you managed to produce from the not so great Dark Souls 2 :) Gave much more depth to the game. Wishing to see more lore-based videos for Bloodborne as I believe the lore is bloodborne's strongest aspect. Thanks for all your hard an dedicated work!
It is possible to reach the messenger head bandage from the platform below the rafters as well, the one with the item on it around 2:18. Just a simple sprint and jump to the side. I find this is actually easier, as there is much more room to run up to it and a safer overall path. Just throwing that up for people who want an alternate route or have trouble with the one already mentioned.
I love when you post new videos. Especially all these. Shows how expansive this world/game is and how deep it goes. Also you do an extremely well job at explaining what's going on while not sounding like an idiot and keeping it interesting. Great Job.
Near the saw spear hunter is a building you can enter to get the charred hunter set and a free saw spear yourself along with a VERY important lore note if you ask me. To get to it you need to go to right of the ladder after going to it and there is a little ledge, you just need to roll on to it and then roll again to get underneath it, inside is a few beasts that will try and swarm you after killing a couple on the ground. Then you can go up some stairs and find the spear after the first set, go up the second set and you will be able to find the note and the charred hunter set.
Oh my god!!!! Vaati!!! your voice is so soft and apptopriately chilling. it really just sucks me in to the subject of every video you make. May the good blood guide your way.
It's way easier and less risky to jump to the bloody messenger bandages from the neighboring platform with molotovs on the end. Just have to make a sharp turn and be quick on the 'O' press.
A note on Djura - you can mess it up after encountering Darkbeast Paarl - when I heard that Darkbeast was the trigger (and not reading beyond that) I warped to the top of Old Yharnam to see if he was still hostile (he was). When I learned that you had to approach from below I tried it however he was still hostile. I tried it the correct way on another character and it worked fine, so it seems as though if you encounter Paarl but then approach Djura from the front, he will be forever hostile for the remainder of that playthrough.
I just want to thank you for your excellent content, I have just started playing and loving Bloodborne and your content has only enriched my experience.
I simply love your videos. The Souls Series, is one of my favorite series in games these days, and you sir, make the best videos about the lore, things we missed and other things about the game, so.. congrats, man. Keep up the good job!
I'm new to the souls thing and my Lord have I been missing out! Your videos have made playing DS2 and Bloodborne so much more accessible and enjoyable. Thanks mate.
A lesser man would've left the incorrect video up to preserve the views and likes, but we all know that Vaati stands for quality content. But I am confused about 1 thing; how do we know that the Blood Starved Beast is female?
I think since it is so slender and has back skin that we subconciously categorize as long hair. It seems to look feminine to us and without really thinking we recognize it as a female. The truth is it is difficult to tell the gender of a beast and a correct question might be: does the gender matter?
EpicHysteria I suppose not, I'm just kind of curious as to who these boss beasts are. I mean the lesser beasts are worshiping (?) a strung up BSB. Members of the healing church have a tendency of being royally boned by the universe (likely because of their ease of access to Cthulhu blood), it makes me wonder who these people were. They're both in churches so they could be priests or priestesses. I think we need a chosen undead to harvest the souls of these monsters, souls might have that info.
When I encountered the saw spear Hunter, he looked so similar to me that I thought he was some sort of doppelganger mini boss. I did beat him first try without cheese, but I used many bullets and blood vials. I also beat the tower/Gatling Hunter, but it only took two shots from the blunderbuss. I have never played a Dark Souls game, and just started Bloodborne a few days ago. I am really enjoying it, even though I don't usually like very difficult games, especially difficult boss fights. But the game design is so good(aesthetically and gameplay-wise) that I want to keep playing. When I die it feels mostly fair, and the game gives you a lot of tools to succeed, if you use them. It also helps that I am streaming this game most nights, and another streamer stops in and gives me tips and encouragement. She has helped me immensely. Thanks for the great vids
You know after watching this, and trying (failing) to get the Head Bandage, I realized that lighting the room below on fire is actually somewhat merciful to the beasts. If they don't die, they'll be too scared to fight you, so you can let them live. :3
For your question the best answer I can give is: Its what happens when a game does patches, some things change, others stay the same and some things gets even more subtle. Yes they are making the game game more subtle. Gotta love that.
I don't know if it's been answered, but in the 1.0 patch--that is, launching the game offline and not patching whatsoever--allows you to hear that last snip of dialogue.
you did a good job helping us find these thing thanks for telling us how to find these I have watched your vids for a long time now and I like to see what I missed thank you for telling me the lore ^^
I'm playing Bloodborne, no patches (hehe) no updates. And yes, he does say, "give some thought to the hunt". Can't provide you with any footage because I'm long past Old Yharnam and don't have the time to start a second playthrough just yet.
On the original base game without the Day 1 Patch I remember Djura's Dialogue cutting off, but it cut off, but it did so mid-way through the last line of dialogue he has (supposedly) and that's the line from the wiki.
About djura and glitching around in old yarnham, a strange thing happened to me a week ago (prior to patch): when i managed to have him fall i followed him down like a dumbass. That way, when he died, he did say the last piece of dialogue (i honestly had never heard it but i don't think it is anything new: "don't you understand you are the true beast" or something) but BEFORE i could get the blood echoes i was already dead from the fall. So i did trigger his last piece of dialogue but died before i could score the kill entirely. When i got back there, as expected, i couldn't find his badge, but the strange thing was that he wasn't at the top of the tower either! Looking down from there i noticed that he was standing on the bridge below. I went to check if he was hostile, but he had vanished. So he is visible from the top of the tower as standing on the bridge, but if you go down he is nowhere to be seen. Could this be related to the glitch you talked about in the video?
For those watching in 2021, the Djura dialogue has been fixed and now fully plays on a vanilla copy of the game and one with DLC installed. Source: tested it myself lol
Btw you missed the hunters torch. Can be found by going straight forward after opening the door to Old Yharnam from the chapel. Follow the fleeing add down onto the roof, then walk off the front of the roof, carefully.
I heard Djura mention "For the hunt and its purpose" when I first played it on launch week. Haven't ventured back to him though since then, so can't confirmed if he still says his original quote.
I've never heard Djura say anything but "give some thought..." at the end, and I've definitely died to him with an unpatched version of the game. I wasn't aware there was anything more.
I know I’m like super super late but yes dhura used to say “next time you dream give some thought to the hunt and it’s purpose” he’s touching on the fact that the hunt only exist to 1) hide the church’s secret (that they caused the beast scourge) and 2) to keep them in power by way of the church hunters culling the herd leading hunts and killing those who begin to show signs of infection (ie they killed anyone they deemed a threat)
I think the easiest way to get the bloody messenger head bandage is to run against the fence, turning 180 degrees and jumping over the gap. (You can see an item next to the fence)
I have played Bloodborne with the italian dialogues, and he says, when you die, "You're telling me you still dream? Well, the next time, think about it..." ("Vuoi forse dirmi che ancora sogni? Beh, la prossima volta, rifletti bene..."), so I believe that the final line might have been cut with a patch, as in italian there's no trace of something about the hunt.
Recently, I fell at the ladder when trying to fight Djura, and his dialogue started up before I hit the ground. He got as far as saying "give some thought to the hunt", but not "and its purpose".
If you drop down on the same level as the first hunter there are a bunch of crows and if you look theres a gap in the railing behind them. A bunch of good items on the way up
I'm in my first playthru of bloodborne, somewhat late to the curve, died to the bloodstarved beast a tonne, with alfred there to help, decided to go exploring in Cathedral Ward some more instead, beat amelia after a few tries, then proceeded to have to beat the blood-starved beast without alfred, which cost me a lot of echoes in antidotes.
I love all your videos man I just got into Bloodborne and I love every second of it and your videos have been very entertaining and helpful thank you so much 🙏
in the first patch version of the game the djura dialogue was there but they just took it out entirely because when you died you died too fast and couldn't hear it but you could see the subtitles come up
I've heard Djuras dialogue to the point of "give some thought to the Hunt", but "and it's purpose" was always cut off (even though the subtitles did show what he was going to say). I suspect it's got to do with the patches speeding up load times. You might get more of his dialogue by playing the release version of Bloodborne.
I'm not sure if you missed this or didn't consider this hidden enough but there is a hidden path just past the saw spear hunter where you fall down and go through a building, you get a rifle spear and the charred hunter gear this way
Just some comments about this video. First, want to make clear that what makes Djura not-hostile is not really approaching him from behind, but rather a trigger that activates once you have entered Darkbeast Paarl's boss room (not necessarily defeating him, just entering). However, after this trigger activates, it is important to approach him from behind so that he doesn't turn hostile again (which happens if you approach him from the front). Just making that clear because people might think that the only thing needed to befriend him is approaching him from behind and that can actually be done before encountering Darkbeast Paarl. Secondly, I feel that the jump you made to get the Bloody Messenger Head Bandage was probably the hardest way to pull that off, because the rafter is so narrow. You can actually walk the rafter, drop to the left onto some boards, and then jump from there, where you have much more space to maneuver. Anyways, not my intention to bash or sound arrogant. Just wanting to contribute with my thoughts. Thanks for doing what you do, Vaati. Cheers!
Also don't forget that hittjng the oil urn and setting the bsb on fire that all the other beasts are worshipping will make djura perma hostile as those are some of his trigger beasts and even if you reload the world state the urn will drop again as you get close. So on your first pass through kill all the beats you want if you want to befriend djura it doesn't matter since the world state resets but don't knock down that oil urn or even if you approach from bsb lamp or graveyard of the darkbeast the urn will now always drop.and aggro him.
You can actually make the jump to the bloody messenger hat or whatever it was from the platform below the rafter you were on. No danger of dying if you miss.
Well obviously the reason why the dialogue is online could be 2 reasons, 1 someone read the game code and found the dialogues unfinished part, or 2 a developer may have mentioned it from either a question about djura or what he meant.
Hey Vaati! Absolute great videos you make! But do you know you left Bloodborne too early? There's missing a lot of locations in your "things you missed..." series! Could you please make them anytime? All the questlines and all caryll-runes would be interesting too! Thanks for your work!
VaatiVidya Until recently i didnt have internet and as such i was playing version 0 of the game. I can confirm that he indeed speaks the full dialogue that you mentioned in the video before the patch. However he doesn't say anything other than that
If I recall correctly, the "to the hunt and its purpose" line comes from the dialogue he say when you first enter Old Yharnam. The stuff that starts with something along the lines of "You there, Hunter, did you not see the sign?"
yeah, Djura does say "I assume you still have dreams. The next time you dream, give some thought, to the hunt and it's purpose." or something along those lines.
I've gotten the same dialogue you did upon dying to djura since day one, didn't even know he could say more. Now I don't know if it's related or not, but on a curiously similar note, there seem to be two different names for the "one third of umbilical cord" item, with the same description, but a slightly different name.
I was just replaying the game and found a huge winged beast tied up in old yarnam within the building with the ritual blood, I’ve never seen it before nor heard about it in the lore. Thought it was pretty interesting though.
I have seen the dialog from Jurah myself, I don't think there's a trogger of any sort, you just have to be lucky enough and die just a quarter of a second slower. You can't really ear it, but you can read the subtitles that pop up when the line begins.
I heard the dialog when I was planning the game when I didn't have Internet and the game wasn't patched yet, but it always was barley making it before the loading screen.
I believe that the reason you can no longer hear Djura's full monologue is because of the decrease in loading times which you did mention. I seems that the You Died message got shortened / the loading screen got a implemented quicker resulting in it being cut short. It also seems that your character is capable of taking damage prior to the loading screen fully ending and your PC spawning. If you have the chickage / health depleating gems you will have lost health before the loading screen ends. Just my thoughts though...
Hey Vaati, I don’t know if you have mentioned it before but if you get the Knight armor in Cainhurst Castle, as a male character then it will be black, but if you get it as a female character, then it will be red. I don’t know if that has anything to do with anything, I just find it kind of interesting.
I could be wrong, but i think you don't need actually encountered or slain darkbeast paarl in order to talk with Djura. If i remember correctly, the first time I managed to obtain the dialog with him was after I defeated blood starving beast. After that I just re-enter the area from good chalice lamp and that's it. Again, that could be just my lack of memory, so maybe someone could check this out? :)
I think I remember seeing the way to get the extra Djura dialogue is to be in a co-op session with someone else, and then let the host die to him. If you do that then I think his dialogue plays over you getting kicked out of their game.
VaatiVidya here seems reliable on Djura dialogue
I don't think this is the reason, because I have had both dialogues on separate characters, and neither of them used co-op throughout that area.
The difference between my 2 characters is that I defeated Amilia and befriended Djura on the one where I got that "think on its purpose" dialogue, so perhaps it has something to do with that.
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This jump for the bloody messenger headband is harder than any boss I have encountered so far
Its so hard
You don't have to jump from that small beam as suggested in the video in order to get it... jumping from the platform below works just as fine and is really easy.
@@brent8407 thank you, i would have quit trying to get it if not for your comment
I just need my tiny top hats and im gud
How do u jump lmao
Guys, don't make that jump from the rafter for the bloody messenger head bandage. You can drop down on the platform to the left and then make the jump from there. It's a little bit more difficult, but WAY less risky.
The first lore video that I'd love to see is for Eileen The Crow. She's so mysterious and seems to know all about the hunter's dream. I died to her while trying to get her gear and weapon and her dialogue is interesting. She said "tell the doll that I said hello" she's very mysterious.
Maybe Djura knows something we don't? I mean him and Eileen once Dreamed as our character did/does and he's the only hunter we encounter that tells us their feelings of the Hunt and in his case he uses the word horrific. So instead of giving thought to just the Hunt and it's purpose, we're giving more thought to everything and not just the Hunt. This means we're now thinking more about the Healing Church and it's experiments, and the Great Ones along with their relationship as well as the Blood administration . So he could know something that our character doesn't know. I think it's worth noting that he is blind just like other npcs that seek more "eyes."
Or the patch just done goofed the dialogue somehow.
He is only blind in one eye. and he is really just trying to protect the beasts in my opinion, it' s not the beasts fault to have become what they now are, it was the healing churche s fault, so I guess Djura simply felt an obbligation to protect them.
***** yyes! I didn' t remember about that description, but that' s what I thought. He kinda suggests that too when he says "those who you hunt, they aren' t beasts, they' re people".
***** Maybe it's related to what the strange beggar says when he's transformed?
Andres Gaggero That line reminded me of the line from Night of the Living Dead, "We're them and they're us."
aghostshell I don't think Djura knows a whole lot about the story. He's just got a soft heart and the hunt certainly doesn't appear at all humane, especially looking at what was done to the huge beast strung up inside the building just past him, and to BSB.
Insanity is linked with knowledge (since higher Insight means lower Frenzy defense), and his armor has one of the highest frenzy resist stats in the game. I think he's the sanest guy in Yharnam, including the player character. But this also means he probably lacks Insight, and is the least aware of the cosmic shenanigans.
PUT THAT TABLE BACK RIGHT UP RIGHT NOW
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Albino Spaz Beat me to the punch
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FUCK YOUR TABLE AND DJURA'S DIALOGUE
Why didnt you mention the secret building with the rifle spear and armor set? was pretty tough to find in my playthru.
leonxdz Vaati
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Those are the things you missed in old Yharnam
Its not secret, it takes a little exploration, but its obvious if you explore the area.
Zach Newcomb Most stuff aren't secrets and need just a bit of exploration, like the other drop that leads to the platforms in the big room.
Zach Newcomb You could say that about every area in the game. I managed to miss that area on my first playthrough because I was more concerned about the guy trying to shoot me dead.
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Vaati re-uploads videos because he's good to his audience and cares about the quality of his videos.
Confirm/Deny, Vaati?
Redstone Fanatic can confirm, source: me
You're such a flatterer btw
VaatiVidya "source: me"... wow not even the decency to use Wikipedia!
VaatiVidya Hahaha, is that a SNAFU reference?
Snow Li the fucks a SNAFU?
+VaatiVidya what weapon were u using in this video
“After you encountered darkbeast-“. Me - “Wait, who?”
lol yea optional boss
@@sabalghoo how do you get to him
@@romeovereeken712 defeat the blood starved beast. after that snatchers will appear around yharnam. get killed by a snatcher. you'll awaken in the unseen village of yahar'gul. go downstairs and find the hole in the wall (where those two witches are). go through it and you'll find the darkbeast paarl.
@@Apocalyptic343 o ok I will try and then die cause it looks like a huge beast and then he probably have multiple attacks and fast one’s but il try thank you
@@romeovereeken712 Did you kill it?
Gosh, your dedication to this game and its lore is astounding,thank you for all this hard, and time consuming work.I salute you.
I just want to say that my roommate and I are new to Bloodborne and though I'm not the one playing, we both enjoy watching these videos! Thanks!
I feel so dumb... I was watching the newer stuff on the Powder Keg hunters, and I thought he was saying Powder Cake. I chuckled every time... but now I'm disappointed. o-o
Omg same
I think I found something out about the intro cinematic.
You the player have a simple goal, find the a cure to your aliment and Yharnam. The only why though you see to seek about your aliment, is to go through a blood transfusion for the becoming a Beast. When the player goes to find someone to preform this transfusion, they find a man who says he can offer more than just a blood transfusion. A contract. He tells you you have an even greater chance of survival should you sign the contract.
When the blood transfusion is complete, the player sees a peculiar and very distinct Beast. This beast spawns from a seemingly bottomless pool of blood, it reaches out to kill the player but immediately catches fire as Messengers begin to suffocate the player. This Beast was not just any Beast, it was the players Beast Form.
It was a battle of dominance, for control over the players body, If the Beast had killed the player he/she would have become another mindless Beast of Yharnam. Because the player was suffocated by The Messengers he never lost control of his body, but was never given true free will to do as he/she pleased. Like a puppet on strings.
The player was then trapped in The Hunter's Dream, granted most of the Beasts strengths. But the player is never given a true sense to of control, they are now completely under the will of both Gehrman and The Moon Presence. Though the player can defeat the Gehrman and The Moon Presence, in the end they are never truly free or in control of The Hunter's Dream.
Vaati you forgot to mention a thing : If you select the option to spare the beasts of old yharnam when talking to Djura, and then you go kill the beasts, he has new dialogues, and when you die he says something badass .
What does he say?
@@aden8443 uninstall the game
He says "You still dream I should think? Then come as often as you like, I'll show you another death." implying that all the deaths your character goes through are actually canon.
I actually hate it when I knew everything in a Things You Missed video because it means I don't get to learn anything new ;__;
You forgot the charred hunter garb and rifle spear.
llOathkeeperll REUPLOAD AGAIN VAATI!!!! kappa
llOathkeeperll Check his quickest way to get all weapons video.
How do you get the rifle spear?@
@@neshuneshuification2609 there are plenty of other videos and wikis on Bloodborne by now. I think it involved dropping down to a hidden room somewhere but my memory is foggy after not playing for half a year.
@@llOathkeeperll thanks for the reply
Btw oathkeeper its a great username
Idk if its from Kingdom hearts or game of thrones oathkeeper, but boths are good
Here's the weird thing about the spear hunter. Durring my current playthrough I just rushed passed him not wanting to kill any beasts there so I can get the emote later. I was climbing down the ladder to the Bloodstarved beast and he just fell down past me and died.
I really feel that Dark Souls 3 didn't receive as much love as Bloodborne did from FromSoft. :/
Tbh i'm playing Dark Souls 3 as my first game of the Fromsoft, idk why but it just sticks to me (have 20+ hours ingame and have only killed Abyss Watchers, beautiful fight, and cleared the Smoldering Lake... my greatest challenge was that Knight Slayer... his big ass sword made me weary of getting up-close and personal with him, therefore lost all fights till i noticed he takes hits like a b****) I've tried the other Souls games but i prefer the 3rd... That being said, i do NOT own a PS, therefore i cannot, and desperately want to play BloodBorne. I think it's rather harder than DS, but i love it's lore so much more, in great part thanks to VaatiVidya and EpicNameBro.
Considering that Miyazaki was against the idea of DS2, because he wanted to move on from Souls games, I think it comes as granted, that DS3 feels a little sloppy. Compared to Bloodborne anyways, which is the best work of Fromsoft so far IMO.
Hell no. Miyazaki was working on Bloodborne while DS2 was being made. They fucked it all up without him, so he wasn't about to let these nerds finish Dark Souls on a shitty note. I think DS3 is just about perfect.
Bloodborne is better that's why
BB was my first FromSoft game, followed quickly by DS3. Those two games, if you play them a certain way, feel almost identical. Stay away from shields in DS3 and the only real difference is the speed of the gameplay. Nothing will be as frantic or fast-paced as Bloodborne
the best thing to calm down after diyng several times to the same boss is simply watch some of your vids. thank you dear sir!
your voice is like an audible chocolate or an audible sepository.
So you love it and hate it? Or you love both? Or hate both?
118 people seem to agree with you
Things missed in old Yarnham: A story and a stable frame rate
I'm glad you have the ability to admit your mistakes. I would believe pretty much anything in your videos, so to see that you make sure to fact-check yourself makes me respect you quite a bit.
One secret is missing - secret entrance to find Rifle Spear and Charred Hunter Set for free!
Is it good that set?
its just gerhman's second phase set, so nothing much
I had the line that Djura says in my first playthrough he didn't get a chance to complete it but the subtitle showed up and it was "For the hunt and it's purpose"
Medorath The Wolf On my first playthrough, he didn't say anything at all.
aresdotexe don't know about you but i got to Djura 4 hours after the game released maybe a patch made it like this but with the game unpatched you see the dialogue in subtitle but he doesn't have enough time to say it
aresdotexe same here.... instead I am pretty sure he gave me the finger...
Great work!
I'm a huge fan of the souls series and of your channel in particular and just wanted to say how much your videos enhanced the Soul-Xperience for me and some of my friends!
Have to commend you for the content you managed to produce from the not so great Dark Souls 2 :)
Gave much more depth to the game.
Wishing to see more lore-based videos for Bloodborne as I believe the lore is bloodborne's strongest aspect.
Thanks for all your hard an dedicated work!
It is possible to reach the messenger head bandage from the platform below the rafters as well, the one with the item on it around 2:18. Just a simple sprint and jump to the side. I find this is actually easier, as there is much more room to run up to it and a safer overall path. Just throwing that up for people who want an alternate route or have trouble with the one already mentioned.
Rob Borghese was looking for this. just start running halfway through the platform and jump on where the corpse with the molotovs is.
I love when you post new videos. Especially all these. Shows how expansive this world/game is and how deep it goes. Also you do an extremely well job at explaining what's going on while not sounding like an idiot and keeping it interesting. Great Job.
Man, I love listening to you talk. You have such a calm and soothing voice.
Near the saw spear hunter is a building you can enter to get the charred hunter set and a free saw spear yourself along with a VERY important lore note if you ask me.
To get to it you need to go to right of the ladder after going to it and there is a little ledge, you just need to roll on to it and then roll again to get underneath it, inside is a few beasts that will try and swarm you after killing a couple on the ground.
Then you can go up some stairs and find the spear after the first set, go up the second set and you will be able to find the note and the charred hunter set.
For the Bloody Meesenger you dont have to jump from that beam. You can go on the walkway below the beam and do it from there. A lot less risky.
Great vid Vaati! Keep these coming :).
Oh my god!!!! Vaati!!! your voice is so soft and apptopriately chilling. it really just sucks me in to the subject of every video you make. May the good blood guide your way.
+VaatiVidya can you do a things you missed for forbidden woods
pls vaati plsssssss
It's way easier and less risky to jump to the bloody messenger bandages from the neighboring platform with molotovs on the end. Just have to make a sharp turn and be quick on the 'O' press.
Thanks for the video Vaati!
A note on Djura - you can mess it up after encountering Darkbeast Paarl - when I heard that Darkbeast was the trigger (and not reading beyond that) I warped to the top of Old Yharnam to see if he was still hostile (he was). When I learned that you had to approach from below I tried it however he was still hostile. I tried it the correct way on another character and it worked fine, so it seems as though if you encounter Paarl but then approach Djura from the front, he will be forever hostile for the remainder of that playthrough.
6 years later and your videos are still coming through.
Just want to say thanks a lot Vaati for always uploading quality content and overall for just been a nice bloke Have a good one mate.
Just wanted to say I love these videos. Please keep posting!
I just want to thank you for your excellent content, I have just started playing and loving Bloodborne and your content has only enriched my experience.
I simply love your videos. The Souls Series, is one of my favorite series in games these days, and you sir, make the best videos about the lore, things we missed and other things about the game, so.. congrats, man. Keep up the good job!
I'm new to the souls thing and my Lord have I been missing out! Your videos have made playing DS2 and Bloodborne so much more accessible and enjoyable. Thanks mate.
A lesser man would've left the incorrect video up to preserve the views and likes, but we all know that Vaati stands for quality content.
But I am confused about 1 thing; how do we know that the Blood Starved Beast is female?
lostonthewayhere Honestly, I've always assumed the Blood Starved Beastie was a female. I have no explanation for this. . . that's a good question.
lostonthewayhere I think it's official information from the guide. The Beasts with veils on their heads are females and the rest are males.
I think since it is so slender and has back skin that we subconciously categorize as long hair. It seems to look feminine to us and without really thinking we recognize it as a female. The truth is it is difficult to tell the gender of a beast and a correct question might be: does the gender matter?
EpicHysteria I suppose not, I'm just kind of curious as to who these boss beasts are. I mean the lesser beasts are worshiping (?) a strung up BSB. Members of the healing church have a tendency of being royally boned by the universe (likely because of their ease of access to Cthulhu blood), it makes me wonder who these people were. They're both in churches so they could be priests or priestesses. I think we need a chosen undead to harvest the souls of these monsters, souls might have that info.
lostonthewayhere Can't you see she's on her period? Duh.
When I encountered the saw spear Hunter, he looked so similar to me that I thought he was some sort of doppelganger mini boss. I did beat him first try without cheese, but I used many bullets and blood vials. I also beat the tower/Gatling Hunter, but it only took two shots from the blunderbuss.
I have never played a Dark Souls game, and just started Bloodborne a few days ago. I am really enjoying it, even though I don't usually like very difficult games, especially difficult boss fights. But the game design is so good(aesthetically and gameplay-wise) that I want to keep playing. When I die it feels mostly fair, and the game gives you a lot of tools to succeed, if you use them.
It also helps that I am streaming this game most nights, and another streamer stops in and gives me tips and encouragement. She has helped me immensely.
Thanks for the great vids
You know after watching this, and trying (failing) to get the Head Bandage, I realized that lighting the room below on fire is actually somewhat merciful to the beasts. If they don't die, they'll be too scared to fight you, so you can let them live. :3
Loading time, before the video starts, is always a good time to hit like button. Only in VaatiVidya channel.
4 years later and this video taught me something new.
For your question the best answer I can give is:
Its what happens when a game does patches, some things change, others stay the same and some things gets even more subtle. Yes they are making the game game more subtle. Gotta love that.
I don't know if it's been answered, but in the 1.0 patch--that is, launching the game offline and not patching whatsoever--allows you to hear that last snip of dialogue.
Goddamnit Vaati.
Why is your TH-cam content so godlike?
Wanna say I still watch your videos. I love bloodborne and the lore behind it. Huge fan of the powder keggers
Can't wait to see another Lore video!
you did a good job helping us find these thing thanks for telling us how to find these I have watched your vids for a long time now and I like to see what I missed thank you for telling me the lore ^^
I think you activated a death cam in that top down view. That’s used in dark souls speedruns to get into sens fortress without ringing the bells.
@2:15 You can do that from the platform below too. It's easier.
I'm playing Bloodborne, no patches (hehe) no updates. And yes, he does say, "give some thought to the hunt". Can't provide you with any footage because I'm long past Old Yharnam and don't have the time to start a second playthrough just yet.
On the original base game without the Day 1 Patch I remember Djura's Dialogue cutting off, but it cut off, but it did so mid-way through the last line of dialogue he has (supposedly) and that's the line from the wiki.
More "Things You Missed" videos would be awesome. Great Bloodborne and Dark Souls Lore videos btw. I have to say I think you have some of the best.
About djura and glitching around in old yarnham, a strange thing happened to me a week ago (prior to patch): when i managed to have him fall i followed him down like a dumbass. That way, when he died, he did say the last piece of dialogue (i honestly had never heard it but i don't think it is anything new: "don't you understand you are the true beast" or something) but BEFORE i could get the blood echoes i was already dead from the fall. So i did trigger his last piece of dialogue but died before i could score the kill entirely. When i got back there, as expected, i couldn't find his badge, but the strange thing was that he wasn't at the top of the tower either! Looking down from there i noticed that he was standing on the bridge below. I went to check if he was hostile, but he had vanished. So he is visible from the top of the tower as standing on the bridge, but if you go down he is nowhere to be seen. Could this be related to the glitch you talked about in the video?
Love your videos man. Keep it up.
For those watching in 2021, the Djura dialogue has been fixed and now fully plays on a vanilla copy of the game and one with DLC installed. Source: tested it myself lol
Btw you missed the hunters torch.
Can be found by going straight forward after opening the door to Old Yharnam from the chapel.
Follow the fleeing add down onto the roof, then walk off the front of the roof, carefully.
I heard Djura mention "For the hunt and its purpose" when I first played it on launch week. Haven't ventured back to him though since then, so can't confirmed if he still says his original quote.
I've never heard Djura say anything but "give some thought..." at the end, and I've definitely died to him with an unpatched version of the game. I wasn't aware there was anything more.
I know I’m like super super late but yes dhura used to say “next time you dream give some thought to the hunt and it’s purpose” he’s touching on the fact that the hunt only exist to 1) hide the church’s secret (that they caused the beast scourge) and 2) to keep them in power by way of the church hunters culling the herd leading hunts and killing those who begin to show signs of infection (ie they killed anyone they deemed a threat)
I think the easiest way to get the bloody messenger head bandage is to run against the fence, turning 180 degrees and jumping over the gap. (You can see an item next to the fence)
I have played Bloodborne with the italian dialogues, and he says, when you die, "You're telling me you still dream? Well, the next time, think about it..." ("Vuoi forse dirmi che ancora sogni? Beh, la prossima volta, rifletti bene..."), so I believe that the final line might have been cut with a patch, as in italian there's no trace of something about the hunt.
Recently, I fell at the ladder when trying to fight Djura, and his dialogue started up before I hit the ground. He got as far as saying "give some thought to the hunt", but not "and its purpose".
Thanks for the video! I've finished the game and I'm on my 2nd go now trying to spot all this kind of stuff. Love the game!
If you drop down on the same level as the first hunter there are a bunch of crows and if you look theres a gap in the railing behind them. A bunch of good items on the way up
Still a another great vid
I'm in my first playthru of bloodborne, somewhat late to the curve, died to the bloodstarved beast a tonne, with alfred there to help, decided to go exploring in Cathedral Ward some more instead, beat amelia after a few tries, then proceeded to have to beat the blood-starved beast without alfred, which cost me a lot of echoes in antidotes.
I love all your videos man I just got into Bloodborne and I love every second of it and your videos have been very entertaining and helpful thank you so much 🙏
7 years and we STILL play this fucking game, I love you all Bloodborne players. Have a nice hunt out there.
in the first patch version of the game the djura dialogue was there but they just took it out entirely because when you died you died too fast and couldn't hear it but you could see the subtitles come up
@1:56 can permanently aggro Djura fyi. So, watch out.
I'm a new subscriber, and I have to say, I love your dark souls and bloodborne content. Keep it up bro!
You forget about the charred hunters garb, which is tucked away but makes fights like Watchdog of the Old Ones a little easier
I had heard that extra bit of dialogue, but I never noticed it got cut off.
I've heard Djuras dialogue to the point of "give some thought to the Hunt", but "and it's purpose" was always cut off (even though the subtitles did show what he was going to say).
I suspect it's got to do with the patches speeding up load times. You might get more of his dialogue by playing the release version of Bloodborne.
for everyone wondering, the mistake was the Miyazaki not wanting feedback on Paal, which wasn't true.
I'm not sure if you missed this or didn't consider this hidden enough but there is a hidden path just past the saw spear hunter where you fall down and go through a building, you get a rifle spear and the charred hunter gear this way
Just some comments about this video. First, want to make clear that what makes Djura not-hostile is not really approaching him from behind, but rather a trigger that activates once you have entered Darkbeast Paarl's boss room (not necessarily defeating him, just entering). However, after this trigger activates, it is important to approach him from behind so that he doesn't turn hostile again (which happens if you approach him from the front). Just making that clear because people might think that the only thing needed to befriend him is approaching him from behind and that can actually be done before encountering Darkbeast Paarl.
Secondly, I feel that the jump you made to get the Bloody Messenger Head Bandage was probably the hardest way to pull that off, because the rafter is so narrow. You can actually walk the rafter, drop to the left onto some boards, and then jump from there, where you have much more space to maneuver.
Anyways, not my intention to bash or sound arrogant. Just wanting to contribute with my thoughts.
Thanks for doing what you do, Vaati. Cheers!
Also don't forget that hittjng the oil urn and setting the bsb on fire that all the other beasts are worshipping will make djura perma hostile as those are some of his trigger beasts and even if you reload the world state the urn will drop again as you get close. So on your first pass through kill all the beats you want if you want to befriend djura it doesn't matter since the world state resets but don't knock down that oil urn or even if you approach from bsb lamp or graveyard of the darkbeast the urn will now always drop.and aggro him.
If you check out Ellajaz's video old yharnam bloodborne Playthrough #3, about 11 minutes in it has the part where djura says the extra line
You can actually make the jump to the bloody messenger hat or whatever it was from the platform below the rafter you were on. No danger of dying if you miss.
Well obviously the reason why the dialogue is online could be 2 reasons, 1 someone read the game code and found the dialogues unfinished part, or 2 a developer may have mentioned it from either a question about djura or what he meant.
Got recommended this 5 years later, wonder who else will show? Also, Alfred being summoned for the BSB fight makes it much harder if you try to parry
You da man Vaati.. You da man.
Hey Vaati! Absolute great videos you make! But do you know you left Bloodborne too early? There's missing a lot of locations in your "things you missed..." series! Could you please make them anytime? All the questlines and all caryll-runes would be interesting too! Thanks for your work!
VaatiVidya Until recently i didnt have internet and as such i was playing version 0 of the game. I can confirm that he indeed speaks the full dialogue that you mentioned in the video before the patch. However he doesn't say anything other than that
If I recall correctly, the "to the hunt and its purpose" line comes from the dialogue he say when you first enter Old Yharnam. The stuff that starts with something along the lines of "You there, Hunter, did you not see the sign?"
yeah, Djura does say "I assume you still have dreams. The next time you dream, give some thought, to the hunt and it's purpose." or something along those lines.
I've gotten the same dialogue you did upon dying to djura since day one, didn't even know he could say more.
Now I don't know if it's related or not, but on a curiously similar note, there seem to be two different names for the "one third of umbilical cord" item, with the same description, but a slightly different name.
I was just replaying the game and found a huge winged beast tied up in old yarnam within the building with the ritual blood, I’ve never seen it before nor heard about it in the lore. Thought it was pretty interesting though.
I have seen the dialog from Jurah myself, I don't think there's a trogger of any sort, you just have to be lucky enough and die just a quarter of a second slower. You can't really ear it, but you can read the subtitles that pop up when the line begins.
wonderful vids men hope more will come
I heard the dialog when I was planning the game when I didn't have Internet and the game wasn't patched yet, but it always was barley making it before the loading screen.
I believe that the reason you can no longer hear Djura's full monologue is because of the decrease in loading times which you did mention. I seems that the You Died message got shortened / the loading screen got a implemented quicker resulting in it being cut short.
It also seems that your character is capable of taking damage prior to the loading screen fully ending and your PC spawning. If you have the chickage / health depleating gems you will have lost health before the loading screen ends.
Just my thoughts though...
Hey Vaati, I don’t know if you have mentioned it before but if you get the Knight armor in Cainhurst Castle, as a male character then it will be black, but if you get it as a female character, then it will be red. I don’t know if that has anything to do with anything, I just find it kind of interesting.
I could be wrong, but i think you don't need actually encountered or slain darkbeast paarl in order to talk with Djura. If i remember correctly, the first time I managed to obtain the dialog with him was after I defeated blood starving beast. After that I just re-enter the area from good chalice lamp and that's it. Again, that could be just my lack of memory, so maybe someone could check this out? :)