Tom I just want to wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and I want you to know how much I appreciate all you’ve done for me and I’m sure everyone on your site will echo my thanks.
I truly appreciate your kind words, @The Don E, and I hope you and yours had a wonderful Christmas as well!! It sure has been a whacky year, but at least we were able to have some fun here and hopefully improve a few golf swings in the process! Thanks again for your support; looking forward to hearing more great things about your game in 2021!! Tom
So I tried Hogan's grip. First I bought his 5 lessons book and then searched youtube for video examples of his grip and found your vid. Good job explaining it, way better than most on youtube. After practicing his grip at home for a few days I took it to the course yesterday. I did not find that it caused me to slice or fade, in fact I was hitting mostly straight shots and some pulls with my irons. Pulling I think came from me being sloppy with my right elbow, not keeping it tucked. When I started paying attention to that I got straight shots again. A couple of fades with my driver. I always thought that my right hand and right side took over my swing so maybe this will be the grip for me and I will not have to worry too much about over powering with my right hand. What did surprise me about the grip was the increased amount of center hits I had. My normal strike with my irons is the toe side of center. I had way more center hits than normal, may be also the reason for the straight ball. I am a 71 year old male golfer and my swing speed with my irons is about 60 mph, so very nice to have center hits with my slow swing speed.
Well done, Jerry - I'm very glad to know that this Hogan Grip lesson resonated well with you!! With regard to the "sloppy" trail elbow, this episode featuring Mr. Hogan's "magic elbow" may be of some benefit: th-cam.com/video/iL9WmQ7KsmE/w-d-xo.html Keep up the great work and have fun out there!! TS
We really don't need to keep this a secret, Roy... 🤐🤐😆 Let's get the word out there in 2021 and take the golf world by storm!! Thanks for your support and Happy New Year! Tom
You're absolutely right about everything here... "copying" the Hogan grip to the tee changes the entire swing! I've been afflicted with a low duck-hook for many years and went to the range to work on one thing.... the grip. By copying Hogan, I had a natural, unforced wrist hinge, and right elbow very close to the body. Also I kept the right pointer and thumb off the grip which is HUGE in not closing the club face too soon which caused my low screamers. This video confirmed all of my theories and reinforced what I've been working on. Thanks!
I always play with this grip, I hit the ball so much further and more consistent with releasing the club and it just makes the golf swing so much easier
Exactly. I fought low hooks until I took the plunge and started using this grip. It has made all the difference in the world in my golf game and ball striking.
My pleasure! I'm very glad to know that this Hogan Grip lesson as well as my other instruction videos are resonating with you. Keep up the great work and have fun out there!! TS PS: By the way, here's a link to my FREE mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” in case you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/
Thanks Andres - I appreciate your kind words and I'm glad you enjoyed my latest Hogan episode! By the way, due to their popularity I've combined my Hogan lesson videos into a playlist series on this channel. Here's the link if you are interested: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html Cheers! Tom
Fantastic! I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you; excellent job incorporating it into your swing and putting it into play! I appreciate you sharing your improvement and keep up the great work!! 💪💪 Thanks and God Bless, Tom PS: With regard to my swing, you can have it too! After all, it's really just physics and geometry, and those laws apply to the entire universe.... 😎 For an excellent starting point please check out my FREE mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
THIS!!! Spent a minute to find this one in my hidtory. You sir a a GENIUS. I jyst played, dpent last few days working on this. FLUSH... effortless distance, crisp striking. Turns out, I might lijeva higher compression ball after all. My only concern today way ball first. Amazing results, thank you. +7/+5... 83 in terrible conditions. Keeping hands forward was the best. Haven't hit the ball that crisp and flush with that great od compression, well, in maybe never. Hands forward, it's physics... so many good stories from today!!! Best
Fantastic!! I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated so well with you; excellent job putting it into play so quickly!! Yep - we can either simply put the already existing natural laws to work for us, or we can twist, morph, torque, contrive, and otherwise mess with the principles of physics and geometry in an effort to better suit some ill-conceived whims, all the while recognizing that at the point of impact those unchanging laws are going to be the only things that matter to the ball! Great work, great round!! Tom
Just what I was looking for. Thank you. Watching your swing in slo mo, I'd say Hogan's swing was even flatter. On the backswing, his club is dissecting his bicep/tricep. I'm going to give his swing a try at the range. I've done some swinging in the house and it's a completely different feel than my normal swing. So much more compact. Due to left shoulder pain, I can't quite keep my left arm as perfectly straight but I'm really feeling I'm coming into the ball ftom the inside. And that's something I've always struggled with. My main swing thought is keeping my right elbow glued into my right side.
My pleasure! I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you, and I hope it performs well when you put it into practice! By the way, this is by no means a "flat" swing as some might misinterpret it to be (nor was Mr. Hogan's in actuality). It is a one-plane motion, meaning that there is no independent, disconnected lifting of the arms and hands as you would see in a two-plane move (there's no need to "drop it in the slot" if you've already put it there). Instead, by properly maintaining our connections the arms, hands, and club are "elevated" as a result of the tilting, turning, and extending motions while the lead arm crosses the chest 45 degrees. So yes - while the feel may be "flat" to a golfer who has grown accustomed to a "shift and lift" type of swing, in actuality by turning our shoulders on that inclined plane and maintaining our relationship with the ball we achieve that classic look and very powerful position at the top. In fact, watch any Tour event on TV and you'll see a significant number of players executing these motions, a fact corroborated by just how many of them have a very centered swing with the lead knee flexing and the trail leg straightening during the backswing, their lead arms on or very close to their tilted shoulder planes, and their hands deep behind their trail shoulder at the top. Thanks for your message and have fun out there! Tom PS: Would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
That's great to know, Joseph! I'm very glad to know that my instruction content and teaching style are resonating with you, and I sincerely appreciate you sharing your improvement!! Tom PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, I am confident that you will also benefit from my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”.: go.saguto.golf/ If you haven't already worked through it, this is a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Thank you again for your content Ben Hogan.He has been my inspiration to get my golf game back after my ankle replacement surgery 3.25years after the operatoon!!! I relly think you nailed the trail arm and hand position spot on!!!
I appreciate that, Gerard, and I'm glad to know that this lesson resonated with you! In case you are interested here is a link to the playlist of all my episodes featuring Mr. Hogan: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html Beyond that, since you are working towards recapturing your game, have you considered the comprehensive, structured, sequential learning platform of my online school? That's where - among many other courses and lessons covering various aspects of the game - you will find very detailed instruction and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step from setup to finish. So many folks across the globe are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result. Here's a link if you would like to know more about the school - saguto.golf - and here's a link to my free mini-course: go.saguto.golf/ Thanks again for your comment. Have fun out there!! Tom
Thank you, Frederic - I sincerely appreciate that!! Mr. Hogan delivered - and continues to deliver posthumously - phenomenal and timeless instructional value, right?! But there are just so many misconceptions about Hogan’s swing out there - particularly within the realm of misunderstood or misapplied teachings - that have sadly relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of chronic frustration. I’m doing my best to clear these up one by one and put an end to this madness, because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered. By the way, due to their popularity I've combined my Hogan lesson videos into a playlist series on this channel. Here's the link if you are interested: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html Tom
I too suffer from the hooks and low flight. I take this video seriously and always take Hogan and his fundamentals seriously.. I am looking to hit the ball higher and maintain a good arm/body connection.. Hogan was left handed which most of us are not. He also had his legs damaged in that car accident which weakened his lower body making it come in late. But, he managed to focus his energy in the right place. Great video.
I'm glad to know that this lesson resonated with you, Dave! Mr. Hogan delivered - and continues to deliver posthumously - phenomenal and timeless instructional value, right?! But there are just so many misconceptions about Hogan’s swing out there - particularly within the realm of misunderstood or misapplied teachings - that have sadly relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of chronic frustration. I’m doing my best to clear these up one by one and put an end to this madness, because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered. In case you are interested, due to their popularity I've combined my Hogan lesson videos into a playlist series on this channel. Here's the link if you are interested: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html By the way, here's an excerpt from a 1987 Golf Magazine interview with Mr. Hogan regarding the left-handed thing: GOLF: You were a natural left-hander who took up the game right-handed, weren’t you? HOGAN: No, that’s one of those things that’s always been written, but it’s an absolute myth. The truth is, the first golf club I owned was an old left-handed, wooden-shafted, rib-faced mashie that a fellow gave me, and that’s the club I was weaned on. During the mornings we caddies would bang the ball up and down the practice field until the members arrived and it was time to go to work. So I did all that formative practice left-handed. But I’m a natural right-hander. Thanks for your message!! Tom PS: Since you are liking my channel's content, I think you will also enjoy my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” - where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner. Here's a link in case you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/ Perhaps it can provide a good starting point for combatting and ultimately conquering those low hooks.
The Hogan grip in junction with rolling the face open on the way back as Hogan did it will yield very high, anti-left shots. To do this correctly, you must keep the trail elbow down and infront of the trail hip on the downswing and through impact. Meaning you hit the shot with the trail arm as described here in this video. One key component that is not regularly discussed that will take it to another left is making sure your hand/handle of the the club stays as close to your legs through impact and continue around and to the left as you move from impact to follow through. This move coupled with the Hogan grip and Hogan roll will allow you to fully compress the ball through impact producing shots that start just left of target, high as you'll ever hit it and gently fade back to the target.
Thanks for your videos. Very detailed and informative. Wish you had a launch monitor to show data on the different techniques. That would be cool and possibly attract more viewers.
I'm glad you're enjoying my content, Edd! I do have a number of videos on this channel where I've used a shot tracer. Here are a few of them: - th-cam.com/video/cVggUORbs5I/w-d-xo.html - th-cam.com/video/UnOMjaDl3fE/w-d-xo.html - th-cam.com/video/NthJA6TTZpo/w-d-xo.html - th-cam.com/video/CSAvOMD7m_A/w-d-xo.html There are also some where I've used a launch monitor, such as in this driver episode: th-cam.com/video/_xl47-9p1YU/w-d-xo.html And then there's this club fitting session: th-cam.com/video/xp2c-oYQRVI/w-d-xo.html Cheers! Tom
I sincerely appreciate your kind words, and I'm very glad to know that my instruction content and teaching style are resonating with you!! Mr. Hogan delivered phenomenal and timeless instructional value, right?! But there are just so many misconceptions about his swing out there - particularly within the realm of misunderstood or misapplied instruction - that have sadly relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of chronic frustration. I'm doing my best here to clear these up one by one and put an end to this madness by taking what Mr. Hogan conveyed as his "feels", applying it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translating it into something we all can learn well from. Because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered. Thanks again for your message and support! Tom PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, I am confident that you will also benefit from my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”.: go.saguto.golf. If you haven't already worked through it, this is a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Hi Tom. I learned this game via the Hogan grip. Whenever I am feeling myself fading a bit too much, I recall one tiny detail Mr. Hogan wrote in his book that comes off as *tiny* but, I believe, is very important to his theory. It's the part about his feeling of the right hand index finger's knuckle feeling like it is pressing towards the target (or however he specifically words it. My gf currently has my copy of the book so I can't double check). With this, I never have to feel like I have to swing harder in order to get the grip to work correctly and correct any fade that creeps in. Anyway, thought you may like the food for thought. Let me know what you think. Cheers.
Yep you are spot on. He even suggests hitting shots with the right thumb and index finger off the club as he termed the tendons for these two digits “swing killers” if they become too active during the swing
When I was young I had a cupped left wrist, I chopped, flipped, chicken winged creating massive slices, pull hooks etc. Well after many years I fixed some of those. I fixed the slice but developed a constant hook. Then I found this channel. I now use a Hogan grip. I have to check each time because in slow swing my hands if gripped wrong, I naturally roll club closed. So I must pay attention. You also fixed my chicken wing. I now shoot mid to low 70s. I'm hoping to soon par a round or even better after 30 years.
That's awesome you're now in the mid-low 70s! I'm glad my instruction is working out for you. Great observation - you really have to watch the clubface with this grip. The true Hogan way slows the clubface closure rate and if very different from the normal grips out there.
absolutely right !a real concise teardown of hogans reasons for a functional method of consistent clubface control,,thanks for this tom, really helpful and enjoyable lesson again,! 👍😊
Fantastic, Nathan!! I'm very glad to know that this grip lesson is starting to click for you; excellent job incorporating it into your swing. Thanks so much for sharing your improvement and keep up the great work!! 💪💪 Tom PS: By the way, since my lesson content is connecting well with you, I am confident that you will also benefit from my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”.: go.saguto.golf. If you haven't already worked through it, this is a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
I appreciate knowing that, Andrew!! There's a lot of great information in Mr. Hogan's "Five Lessons" book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did, and translate it into something we all can learn well from, because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered. By the way, due to their popularity I've combined my Hogan lesson videos into a playlist series on this channel. Here's the link if you are interested: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html Thanks for your message!! Tom PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, I think you will really like my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” - where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner. Here's a link in case you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/
Great Hogan explanation Tom, and yes I am a Hogan model swinger. Grip position with minor adjustments makes a huge difference to ball flight and accuracy. Good job
Thanks @kelownagillis - I'm glad you enjoyed this Hogan video and I truly appreciate your kind words!! Yes - I am absolutely a proponent of evaluating the influence of grip tweaks on both the swing and ball flight. Many folks are quite shocked at just how dramatic the effects of such a seemingly minor modification can be. Cheers! Tom
Absolutely the best explanation and showing of Hogan grip ever given free on You Tube. I hope your generosity brings you a lot of payed subscribers. I also agree 100 percent on your personal grip that Arnold Palmer taught Cheers
Thanks Thomas - I'm glad to know that you enjoyed this Hogan grip video to such an extent!! I've truly appreciated your kind words, support, and insightful analyses throughout this past year, and I wish you and yours a happy and healthy 2021!! Cheers, Tom
I also play sports right handed, but write left handed. Your Ben Hogan swing vids have really helped my game. Big thanks for the great vids. From the guy who said you look like 1980s Tom Hanks :)
LOL! We're certainly an odd lot, Paul.... Yes - "Bachelor Party" era Tom Hanks, right?..... 😆 Thanks - I'm very glad to know that my Hogan content is resonating with you, and I'm thrilled for your improvement. I appreciate you sharing that and keep up the great work!! Tom (Hanks or Saguto - your call....😎)
Thanks for this! What a noticeable difference the grip and elbow placement has made! Much better contact, straighter shots. Literally all I've focused on is Grip, Elbows, weight on my heels more, then a easy backswing as comfortable as possible. Just not as flexible as I want to be, turning too deep causes me to lose the club path on the downswing, sacrificing distance unfortunately but I'll take control over that any day.
I'm glad to know that this grip tip has helped you, Michael, but the swing method and depth should - if anything - provide a distance boost and not a drain because - properly executed - you would be accessing the tremendous power source known as angular momentum. Have you considered enrolling in the SagutoGolf online school? So many folks across the globe are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course curriculum greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. There's even a members' forum where you can ask me specific swing-related questions, interact with others in the SagutoGolf community, and suggest new content ideas, plus you'll also have access to all exclusive TH-cam paid channel members-only content at no additional charge. Here's a link if you'd like more info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga. I hope to see you there!! Tom
I had a retired golf pro look at my swing the other day at the range.... and he came up to me and said.... "boy you remind me a lot of a man named Ben Hogan". Best compliment ever... thanks to you and my strong determination! You're the man Tom!
I've been tinkering with the swing to maximize power, and I believe one of the keys to perfect ball-striking has to do with level of separation between the right arm and body at takeaway (for right-handers, that is). You had a segment a few months ago stressing where the power is actually generated from, and the key (or one of them, at least) is keeping that separation to a minimum. I have always maintained a strong grip but will try the weak one you recommend here and see if it works. Thanks.
There's a lot we can learn from experimenting with different grips, provided the basic attachment to the club is correct so we maintain control of it throughout the swing. Just recognize what this weak grip is going to do to the face at impact as I related in this video. Have fun! Tom
Thanks for this Tom, going to give it a shot. Since I started the stack and tilt swing I’ve been demotivated because I hook EVERY shot, especially the woods. I’ve been trying to fiddle with my hand position at the top and swing path to nurse the hook away, which has been tough.
Hi Noel, It is so important to embrace the swing change process and set realistic expectations along the way, otherwise frustration is certain to occur. The “ghosts of swings past” do not die easily, and if you are transitioning from a swing method that involved shifting weight into your trail side and/or lifting the club with your hands, those demons are going to take some time to exorcise! This grip lesson can certainly help to resolve a hook - after all, it was part of Mr. Hogan's anti-hooking mechanism. However, it's most important to understand your ball flight - starting direction and curvature - as it relates to the clubface relative to both path and target line, because the actual cause may be completely different from what you're thinking and rooted in something that occurred well prior to impact. It is important to understand that the videos, lessons, and drills on this free channel - while fully aligned with the swing method I teach - address a variety of topics, issues, feels, and common flaws/fixes from one episode to the next. They are certainly not intended to be taken as a sequential learning platform like the structured curriculum of my online school, which I strongly recommend to anyone who truly wishes to get on the proper path towards learning and owning this swing. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course layout greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga. Best regards, Tom
I tend to agree with this at least for my game. If I’m too much in the fingers on my left hand the club is more prone to slip around through out my swing. Of course that’s just me, everyone’s different.
Grip pressure is indeed something that is very unique to each of us, which is why conveying personal "feels" in this regard have led so many golfers astray. For example, a 2 out of 10 “baby bird” grip to a strong guy like Sam Snead may equate to an 8 out of 10 to another golfer. We definitely don't want that handle swimming around in our hands because we're so loosey goosey that we can't control the clubface. A secure grip and soft arms are what we're after here. That prescription will certainly resonate differently for different folks, but the key is that our grip pressure should give us complete control of the club while not introducing swing-killing tension that prevents us from properly executing the motion and/or robs us of speed potential. Finding that sweet spot is a highly individual thing, and it is critical to consistently blissful ballstriking. Cheers! Tom
Tom I love this approach, everything is easy to line up for your shot, it keeps you formed to the swing , and then it happens, that crispy, buttery mashing of the ball happens with out a 2nd thought
I have the same grip but interlocking for 40 yrs +. My swing plane is more upright - you seem to be coming back low flat and around at the start but come down more vertical from the top. Snow and a pandemic have closed the courses for me but life is a box of chocolates for those living in sunny South Gumpland.
If there was any steepness in my swing in this video, Alan, it would have been a direct result of this week grip because if anything I am more prone to being too shallow on the way down. Anyway, the swing method I teach is Stack and Tilt. It's essentially the same plane back and through. It may have a "flatter" look to a two-plan swinger who actively lifts the club on the backswing and must then drop it in the "slot" on the downswing, but in reality it is a very efficient, powerful, consistent, and body-friendly way to swing. Sorry for the lockdown. Hopefully the silliness of imposing martial law on golf - among many other things - will soon come to an end. Cheers, Tom
I feel the main benefit of this grip is the control you have if your very right hand dominant , I adopted a very similar grip in order to close face at impact and crisp up my shots , basically the left arm powers and the right index dictates clubface . I have always suffered from low on the face contact . Years of swing changes , lag , shallowing, open stance, closed stance …. You name it I’ve tried it . I started looking at grip to close face and this is basically what I’ve arrived at . I swear I could have cried when I started compressing properly from the middle of the face . It’s just soooo bloody easy !! I was originally a slicer , became a hooker and do not power through the trail arm , but my trail arm does hold off til last minute like an axe swing … I’m a carpenter btw
Nice job figuring out what works best for you, John! And yes - that axe swing feel is something I teach. It's a great way to build in some serious lag. Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work! Tom
Interesting! Thx! With this Hogan grip do you hold the club more firmly/tightly in the trail hand/fingers than the lead hand/fingers? Since your putting so much more power into the trail arm during this swing? Does the lead hand/fingers have a more relaxed grip or is the Trail hand and lead hand holding equally? In your swing is it the same or different?
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Ray! My grip pressure is pretty much the same with each hand, and it doesn't change throughout the swing. Thanks, Tom PS: Would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
big TY Tom; I've been hooking (or big draw) since keeping weight more left, also getting better contact; I'll be (and have) experimenting with the weaker (right) for long power and stronger for short finesse; i do not find the weaker right and stronger left feeling uncomfortable; trying to correct hooking with ball position wasn't helping me... thank you and be well 🎸
Perhaps a more Hoganesque grip is part of the cure for your affliction; it certainly was a component of his anti-hooking mechanism. Beyond that there's always my online school which breaks everything down for you into sequential bite-sized pieces. Rock on! Tom
Great, fun video Tom. Hogan right hand grip and elbow magic. It would be cool to watch you doing this at the driving range with your launch monitor and or Track Man device. Cheers, Greg
Merry Christmas Tom. Another great video. I am left handed but play golf right handed. I personally don't have that feeling with the right arm. I feel like it is along for the ride. I sometimes feel that I may have a better game playing left handed like every other sport I have played. Thanks for all you do.
Merry Christmas, Andy, and thanks so much for your kind words!! Yours is an interesting scenario that I can appreciate with my odd mix of doing different tasks with each hand, but you're definitely not alone! Just ask Phil... (from the opposite side, of course). Short of saying that you need to train your trail hand to hit - which I realize may be difficult - I would recommend you work on maintaining your connections and allowing the lower body to bring you into impact. This Hogan video may help to give you a visual in this regard: th-cam.com/video/iejRWhuB7y8/w-d-xo.html. Also, even though this impact video lesson focuses on maintaining the angle between your trail arm and the club shaft, it may help you feel impact in a different way that prevents your dominant lead hand from getting out of control: th-cam.com/video/Fe2kQ44azJ4/w-d-xo.html One of the keys in your situation is to not allow that strong arm - which probably seems to have a mind of its own in anxiously wanting to take over when you're trying to bust one - to jump ahead of the lower body and throw the entire downswing out of sequence, because if it does you're likely taking regular trips to Pull-Slice City. If you can train it instead to trail the lower body to the point where the shaft is parallel to the ground on the way down, then you should be in position to hit hard with the dominant hand as if it were a tennis backhand shot or throwing a frisbee. Cheers! Tom
Thanks so much, Patrick!! I've truly appreciated your kind words and support throughout this past year, and I wish you and yours a Blessed, Happy, and Healthy New Year as well!! More great stuff to come in 2021!! Tom
Hi Tom I was watching the video on the grip. The real reason why Hogans right hand grip was positioned in the way it was. It’s not because of his hook/draw. The main and only reason is so the Right elbow can return to the hip and the right elbow is Unaffected by the right hand position. The elbow easily unhinges away from the right shoulder. when the right hand is in a weak or neutral position on the club. And especially in the fingers! Just wanted to clear this up. Thanks for your videos.
Hi John, I don't think there is a fractional piece of Mr. Hogan's swing that he didn't meticulously think through. Each component had a specific purpose. I have to disagree with your words _ "the main and only reason"_ because he had to come up with a way to hit the ball hard while taking his nemesis - the hooks/overdraws - out of play, and his grip played no small role in that equation. Mr. Hogan's grip, which I agree was supportive of other critical elements in his swing, is what also enabled him to apply the power of "three right hands" with no fear of the left side of the course. Thanks for your comment and Happy New Year! Tom
Thanks Tom. I have tried both but think I will stick with creases facing right shoulder. Thanks for all your great teaching in 2020 . Athalonz shoes are incredible. Will get another pair in New Year . Wishing you a Very Happy , safe New year
Hi Michael, I tend to like my stronger grip too, though I found that there was definitely some good value to me personally in going through this exercise and seeing how my swing and ball flight reacted to a more Hoganesque model. I hope others will experiment and benefit from this as well. Yes - they are great shoes, right?! I wear them just about everywhere!! Thanks for your very kind words, and a happy, healthy New Year to you and yours!! Tom
I envy your location. We received 5" of snow on Christmas day and then went into locked down on Boxing day until Jan 23. No more indoor golf for awhile. I developed a hook this summer and this grip might help to cure. Thank you for the insight.
Sorry for you double dose of plight, Rick. I hope they don't extend this silliness any further for you. As long as you have good basic grip fundamentals it's not a bad idea to experiment with different iterations of weakness/strongness and monitor what impact different grips have on both your swing and ball flight (starting direction and curvature). Stay well and stay warm! Tom
With all due respect to Me. Hogan, I like your method/grip position with the trail hand much better. Especially for someone just trying to improve their game the simplest way possible.
@@SagutoGolf I knew your way best for me right away. And I liked how you presented your opinion on the difference between yours and Hogan's grip. Top notch instruction from you as usual.
Thanks Tom, I’ve always followed Ben Hogan but until recently I wasn’t very studied about understanding his swing. He wrote an outline about his swing and the complex notion of swing planes. I wonder if Hogan ever released the notes he would take as he studied his swing?
I'm sure some of his notes are floating around somewhere out there, Frank. Mr. Hogan certainly did make great contributions to the world of golf instruction, and he still remains popular in that realm today. Of particular noteworthiness in this regard is his book "Five Lessons - the Modern Fundamentals of Golf". There's a lot of great information in that book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all - including myself - can learn well from. If we get Hogan right there is tremendous and timeless instructional value to be garnered!! TS
i just bought his 5 lessons book amd so glad i watched this as don’t think i’m a candidate for the Hogan grip. I have a natural fade slice so this is not the path for me grip wise I believe. Great stuff Tom!
Hi Wyatt, Mr. Hogan is recognized by many as being the greatest ball striker of all time, and yes - he certainly did make great contributions to the world of golf instruction and remains popular in that realm today. There's a lot of great information in the "Five Lessons" book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all - including myself - can learn well from. If we get Hogan right there is tremendous and timeless instructional value to be garnered!! If interested here's a link to my channel's playlist of Hogan-related episodes: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html Cheers! Tom
Yeah, but if you look at page 15 at the bottom, he says that the strength modification “where his thumb sits in relation to the top of the grip” is his own modification, and NOT a fundamental.
If you need to force something in your swing in order to square the face - and if there is no manipulation of the face in your motion that would cause it to open - then you may wish to try making incremental tweaks to your grip and monitor the effect of each adjustment on your impact condition and shot shape. TS
Here is a short episode featuring a fellow professional who joined me for a shot shaping demonstration at instructor camp in Miami: th-cam.com/video/IcmKxfLz9EM/w-d-xo.html You will note that there are only minor adjustments made to the setup in order to carve the ball in either direction or flight it differently; the basic swing mechanics do not change. You may be interested in looking into my online school where you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only learning system for the full swing along with the finer points - including an advanced level course on the S&T Shot Shaping Grid which is designed to: 1) help members read and interpret their ball flight, 2) understand how to make adjustments/corrections, and 3) learn how to carve shots in both directions. Here's a link if you would like to know more about the school - saguto.golf - and here's a link to my free mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” if you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/ Tom
What is this "snow" stuff you speak of, Phillip??.....😆😆😆 Actually, winter weather and the ridiculous government-imposed lockdowns on well-distanced activities such as golf are the primary reasons I created the Indoor Golf Swing Training Program for my online school. It consists of 37 video lessons and drills designed to build and reinforce the correct swing fundamentals and motions so golfers will be able to hit the course in full stride once they are able to get out there again. Beyond that, use orange-colored balls and don't expect your approaches to hold on frozen greens.... Cheers! Tom
Actually, I was using JumboMax Ultralite grips in extra-large for much of 2022 and the first part of 2023. I had wanted to give them a try for a few reasons, including the fact that DeChambeau uses them and we share similar swing philosophies. I personally liked the feel as well as how they helped to keep my hands quiet through the zone. (And no - I do not believe there is a conflict between the Jumbo's and the "Hogan grip".) Now, having said that, I purchased a new set of PXG's in the spring of 2023, and since they don't carry the Jumbo's in-house I went with their largest available grip, which is a midsize. I absolutely love the clubs, and I'm putting the factory grips through the playing test before deciding whether or not to have them regripped. There are no issues with the Jumbos and I still really like the way they feel; that's just where I'm at presently. Tom
Also need to remember to feel pressure with ring and middle finger to begin transition. If you pressurise the thumb and forefinger you’ll cast the club 👍
Hi Bill, If the downswing path is approaching the ball from the inside as desired, then a clubface condition at impact that is open to the target line and closed to the path will produce the stock push-draw ball flight that starts right of the target (for a right-handed player) and curves back to the target. Video taken from down-the line will show you your downswing path, so as long as that is good you can then experiment with incremental tweaks to your grip if your ball flight suggests it. If, on the other hand, your path is steep and across the ball from out-to-in, that's a completely different issue. Tom
Working on using this Grip,and I gotta say Tom I Like it 👌 one thing I do though is close the face just a little bit And Bam!! I'm feeling confident it's going to help my game Tremendously
Nice job, Patrick!! By the way, if you are going "full-Hogan" by deploying a "weak" grip and having to make compensations as a result, just know that it's perfectly fine to tweak your attachment towards a more neutral condition if that enables you to square the face at address while still creating a crispy impact condition and desirable ball flight. Having said that, go with whatever performs best for you in this regard and keep up the great work!! 💪💪 Tom
I find this grip reliable, down the middle, losing a bit off distance. I can not use this grip around the greens , that finesse shot I have to drop the club into the fingers
he also set his trail foot back as though to hit a draw. this confounded a young jack nich. when he came on the tour. jack also faded the ball but with an open stance or, what is typically taught to hit a fade. he figured it out later..lol
No need to be nervous - just give it a try!! By the way, here's a link to my FREE mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” in case you’re interested in learning about the swing system I teach in a more structured manner: go.saguto.golf/ Have fun out there!! Tom
The ben Hogan book says the right hand goes through the right eye. He mentions how he should've been a lefty but no one sold left handed clubs back then. He also says to keep right foot straight and left 1/4 turn out
There's a lot of great information in that book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all can learn well from. By the way, here's an excerpt from a 1987 Golf Magazine interview with Mr. Hogan: GOLF: You were a natural left-hander who took up the game right-handed, weren’t you? HOGAN: No, that’s one of those things that’s always been written, but it’s an absolute myth. The truth is, the first golf club I owned was an old left-handed, wooden-shafted, rib-faced mashie that a fellow gave me, and that’s the club I was weaned on. During the mornings we caddies would bang the ball up and down the practice field until the members arrived and it was time to go to work. So I did all that formative practice left-handed. But I’m a natural right-hander.
Hey I'd like to subscribe into your weekly lessons... Just feel kinda dicey about giving you all my info. Love all your videos and lessons. Is everything secure?? You seem legitimate, but I've been on the wrong side of stuff before. Also how does it work???
Hi Timothy, If you wish to become a member of my TH-cam channel's "Crispier than KFC" Club their should be a link to join on any of my public videos. This enrollment and payment is handled directly through TH-cam. Alternatively there's the SagutoGolf online school, where for just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course curriculum greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. There's even a members' forum where you can ask me specific swing-related questions and suggest new content ideas, plus you'll also have access to all exclusive "Crispier Than KFC Club" TH-cam channel members' content. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga. If you have specific questions or concerns please feel free to send an email to info@saguto.golf and someone will get back to you. FYI, we are out of the office for the entirety of this Christmas weekend and will return next week. Thanks for your kind words and interest - I wish you and yours a blessed Christmas!! Tom
Im the opposite, a right handed writer but a left handed golfer...i think it feels more like the trails hand is skipping a rock type motion when your smashing it hard with the trail arm
That's certainly a very acceptable feel! This Hogan "Magic Elbow" video may resonate well with you as it puts you in that stone-skipping position: th-cam.com/video/iL9WmQ7KsmE/w-d-xo.html Cheers! Tom
@@SagutoGolf thanks i appreciate the encouragement i just started golfing july of 2020 during covid ..its alot of fun i think i am retiring from baseball and switching over to golf
I think your swing looks better with that grip. And you were killing those balls!! You guys are the only ones who have studied hogan and actually have figured out what he actually did!! Only took 100 years😆
As Mr. Hogan said, "the secret's in the dirt", and it's quite apparent that his swing keys have been as clear as mud for the vast majority of the golfing world ever since... 😆
You may enjoy this lesson video in which I deploy a small sledgehammer: th-cam.com/video/6ssR9eYbajo/w-d-xo.html By the way, here's a link to my FREE mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” in case you’re interested in learning about the swing system I teach in a more structured manner: go.saguto.golf/ TS
Hi Don, Indeed, from a face-on view the lead arm and shaft in a forward-leaning straight line is the prescribed stock setup position for the Stack and Tilt swing method I teach. Cheers! Tom
"No trigger finger"? ... WHY? Why not? I tend to have a trigger finger of my right hand (feels like I have control of the club) ... probably because I know the middle & ring finger grips the club, right? So why does the index finger have to be together with the others? Great stuff (as usual) 👍🏻 Keep up the good work.
Hi Mike, I hope you had a wonderful Christmas! That seemingly innocent trigger can cause undesirable manipulations of the face through impact, potentially leading to inconsistent results. Having said that, this is a general rule; YOU are the ultimate judge and jury with regard to how it works for YOUR swing. Cheers! Tom
SagutoGolf Thanks, I always wondered about that. I notice other players do that too. I think I felt like a long index finger down the shaft stabilized my grip on the club. But maybe I don't want to stabilize it ("You gotta send it") Thanks, Tom ... Looking forward to a new year of "Saguto Golf".
Hello Tom. I write from Argentina. I discovered your channel a couple of weeks ago and as I always liked Ben Hogan's concepts I started to follow you and apply them. I am a 53-year-old 11/12 handicapper and I started playing this sport with a lot of dedication and passion at the age of 44, unfortunately. It was easy for me to apply the concepts and as I play every day for a while I could see excellent results of consistency in all clubs (much more control for my 160 yards of 7 iron or for my 130 of pitch even for my 200 of hybrid 3). But I lost 20 or 30 yards with my Driver which worries me because it was already short. I hit 230 to 240 yards total and with the Hogan technique I hit 200 or 210 and I notice that this happens because I can't give a ball high flight as with my previous technique that put the ball ahead, higher on the tee and it was good behind. Do you have any advice for me with this situation? Because in your videos about Driver Hogan you say that we should not overtake or lift the ball more, but I notice that I lost height and and with it distance. From already thank you very much.
Hi @jotaelepege, It sounds like you are getting very nice distances with your irons and hybrid, and based on those numbers I would think that you should definitely be at least in the mid-200's with your driver. It may be something as simple as the ball position being too far back with the driver, so make sure that you have it forward enough that it is even with the inside of your front heel. Also, we need to have a bit more weight on the front side with the driver, so try increasing it to 60% forward in your setup. Additionally, given the length of the driver's shaft this club should naturally work more around our body in the backswing and not nearly as upright as a short iron. Finally, let's make sure that you are continuing your lateral hip slide on the downswing all the way to impact. Due to the wider stance with the driver the hips have a longer distance to travel, and oftentimes they quit too soon causing a loss of power and undesirable ball flight. Remember - it’s the same swing with every club in your bag.... (except the putter, perhaps 😆) Just some minor setup differences and naturally occurring shaft plane changes as we graduate up in club length from short irons to woods. It is important to understand that the videos, lessons, and drills on this free channel - while fully aligned with the swing method I teach - address a variety of topics, issues, feels, and/or common flaws/fixes from one episode to the next. They are certainly not intended to be taken as a sequential learning platform like the structured curriculum of my online school, which I strongly recommend to anyone who truly wishes to get on the proper path towards learning and owning this swing. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course layout greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga. Best Regards, Tom
@@SagutoGolf Thank you very much for your time and your answer Tom. I will take into account your concepts and also your view on the individuality of each golfer. And I'll explore a bit about your custom programs. Thanks again.
This is close but not what he did. My info comes from a friend whose grandfather started both Shady Oaks and Colonial, and who would shag for Hogan many times during the summer months. He said Hogan wanted to put his hands on the club the same way they were when your arms hang naturally. For most people, that means that the back of the hands turn in about 45 degrees. So he places them that way on the club, which meant visually a slightly stronger appearing left hand, and a weaker on top right hand. And on the right arm, it was never ever "tucked" - his right elbow was out, on top, and pointed more opposite the target.
The grip and the orientation of the arms/elbows are based on what Mr. Hogan taught in his Five Lessons book. I do have a lesson on finding your natural grip which you can find here: th-cam.com/video/47G9ZPaJTQE/w-d-xo.html And regardless of where he might have had it at address (which varied over the years, and which was certainly inward-oriented in the book's illustrations), Mr. Hogan's trail elbow was most definitely tucked in the downswing when it really matters. The vast majority of amateurs who have no connections and/or have the slot machining action going on will benefit from presetting it. There's a lot of great information in that book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. My instructional objective within this realm is to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all can learn well from. If we get Hogan right there is tremendous and timeless instructional value to be garnered. Thanks for your comment!
Boy, I wish I could have seen this video back in the late 1980's and thru the 90's. I started my golf as a kid trying to emulate Nicklaus, but went to Hogan's five fundamentals a little later. I think the reason I had the hooks for the next two decades (and I have heard of other golfers having this problem after emulating Hogan), was not the fault of Hogan, or his book; it was the lack of depth of understanding and lack of being able to put it all together by teachers of Hogan's method and many readers of his book. "This is where it gets interesting..." is what you said in the video, Tom, shortly before you demonstrated applying massive "hit" with that right hand using the Hogan grip... and the results of which could be heard in the video: you destroyed that ball. In this video, you have illuminated, possibly "Hogan's secret (i know, right, he had maybe ten)", but for sure you have demonstrated that Hogan's method, as advanced by Hogan himself in "Five modern Fundamentals" is legitimate if followed in total (I make this distinction because it was common for a few decades for better players, and many instructors to sort of bash Hogan's book...I think they just didn't get the whole picture)...Hogan is my favorite Golfer of all time. I read a biography about Ben and that turned me into a fan of the person of Ben Hogan...thanks again Tom for the magic video...you hit this one out of the park!
Steve, thank you for the kind words - I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Everything with Hogan starts to make perfect sense once you understand his purpose (to eliminate the hook) and also his grip. His instruction and FEELS starts at the grip.
Interesting video and good demonstration of his grip. I'm actually reading the Hogan book right now and just got through chapter 2. Question for you, I notice that your stance you have your right foot open where in the book he believed you have the right foot should be pointed straight. He only opened the left foot a quarter turn. Could this be impacting why your shot is going off line?
Hi Mark, I'm glad you enjoyed this video. With regard to my setup vs. Mr. Hogan's.... Weight forward 55/45 (up to 60/40 with the longer clubs), both feet flared out approximately 10-20 degrees, and the knees similarly angled outward are prescribed setup features of Stack & Tilt. This orientation facilitates a stress-free, flowing motion back and through, resulting in a very body-friendly, consistent, powerful swing. Mr. Hogan is recognized by many as being the greatest ball striker of all time, and yes - he certainly did make great contributions to the world of golf instruction and remains popular in that realm today. Of particular noteworthiness in this regard is his book that you referenced: "Five Lessons - the Modern Fundamentals of Golf". There's a lot of great information in that book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all - including myself - can learn well from. If we get Hogan right there is tremendous and timeless instructional value to be garnered!! By the way, due to their popularity I've combined my Hogan lesson videos into a playlist series on this channel. Here's the link if you are interested: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html Cheers! Tom PS: If you ever wish to give my swing method a fair shot, please consider enrolling in the SagutoGolf online school. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only platform that breaks down and greatly simplifies the entire learning process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. Here's a link if you'd like more info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga.
@@SagutoGolf thank you so much. First step for me is to get the information I'm learning from the Hogan book and get it out to the range once it's warm enough. I want to find out what works and doesn't for me in that book and understand why. From there I'm going to adjust the info to my game and I'll definitely come back for insights. If you are taking video requests, I have a lot of challenges keeping my left arm straight in my efforts to bring the club back especially once I rotate my shoulders. Hogan says in the book when you bend it you gave up power on your shot but on the back swing it feels so natural to bend that arm when bringing the club back and I think it even happens on the subconscious level. Might be from all my days playing baseball as a kid.
Like the wrath of God - love this grip. One point i wanted to ask is how many left hand knuckles do you see at address? I see two when i look down and even put marks on my golf glove for alignment.
I'm glad you enjoyed this episode! Different grips perform differently for different folks and different swings, so _viva la difference!!_ In my normal (semi-strong) grip I can see three knuckles. Anything less than two is going be quite weak, and I've seen guys - Zach Johnson, for example - who would see six knuckles if they had that many, but are still able to make their way around the course quite well! Cheers! Tom
Keep tweaking it in your range sessions, Duane. Monitor how different types of grips affect your swing and ball flight, and you'll work yourself into the one that performs best for you provided that your basic grip fundamentals are sound. If you search this channel you will find a couple of other grip-related videos that may help you in this regard. Also, Have you considered enrolling in the SagutoGolf online school? For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course curriculum greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. There's even a members' forum where you can ask me specific swing-related questions and suggest new content ideas, plus you'll also have access to all exclusive "Crispier Than KFC Club" TH-cam channel members' content. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga. Cheers! Tom
I feel like you should loosen up your swing a bit. There’s just something off about it that keeps it from looking fluid. It looks stiff and mechanical. Maybe mostly in the follow through. Channel Ernies fluid loose relaxed swing
Hope you’re but offended by that. Of course you’re swing is great and I like your channel. Just trying to give some feedback .I’m a + 1 handicap if that means anything LOL. Thank you for the response and the content!
I feel that a better book is Ben Hogan’s power golf that is when he was playing his best golf and was healthy. Five lessons got many things wrong, and things that he did not do in his swing. As for his grip Hogan had big hands especially for his height, and Hogan developed this grip after his accident because he could not use his legs as well as before he was injured. And his elbows at address were never as close together as the illustration showed.
There's a lot of great information in Mr. Hogan's "Five Lessons" book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all can learn well from, because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered. Cheers! Tom
@@SagutoGolf Scoop flip not sure there's a difference. I guess the angle of attack is measurably less steep and approach to the ball at a different plane than the at set-up. Picking is are more effective off wet fairways while steeper angles of attack are more effective out of thick rough. Thanks for replying.
Hi Jim, I've used a shot tracer app in a number of my videos, including this course vlog: th-cam.com/video/CSAvOMD7m_A/w-d-xo.html Here are some others: - th-cam.com/video/cVggUORbs5I/w-d-xo.html - th-cam.com/video/NthJA6TTZpo/w-d-xo.html - th-cam.com/video/UnOMjaDl3fE/w-d-xo.html In case you're curious I use this shot tracer app that you can download to your phone: www.shottracerapp.com/ Cheers! Tom
Grip pressure is a personal feel. For example, a 2 out of 10 to a strong guy like Sam Snead may have felt like a 7 out of 10 to another golfer. We definitely don't want that handle swimming around in our hands because we're so loosey goosey that we can't control the clubface. A secure grip and soft arms are what we're after here. That prescription will certainly resonate differently for different folks, but the key is that our grip pressure should give us complete control of the club while not introducing swing-killing tension that prevents us from properly executing the motion. Finding that sweet spot is a highly individual thing, and it is critical to consistently blissful ballstriking. TS
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Tom I just want to wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and I want you to know how much I appreciate all you’ve done for me and I’m sure everyone on your site will echo my thanks.
I truly appreciate your kind words, @The Don E, and I hope you and yours had a wonderful Christmas as well!!
It sure has been a whacky year, but at least we were able to have some fun here and hopefully improve a few golf swings in the process!
Thanks again for your support; looking forward to hearing more great things about your game in 2021!!
Tom
So I tried Hogan's grip. First I bought his 5 lessons book and then searched youtube for video examples of his grip and found your vid. Good job explaining it, way better than most on youtube. After practicing his grip at home for a few days I took it to the course yesterday. I did not find that it caused me to slice or fade, in fact I was hitting mostly straight shots and some pulls with my irons. Pulling I think came from me being sloppy with my right elbow, not keeping it tucked. When I started paying attention to that I got straight shots again. A couple of fades with my driver. I always thought that my right hand and right side took over my swing so maybe this will be the grip for me and I will not have to worry too much about over powering with my right hand. What did surprise me about the grip was the increased amount of center hits I had. My normal strike with my irons is the toe side of center. I had way more center hits than normal, may be also the reason for the straight ball. I am a 71 year old male golfer and my swing speed with my irons is about 60 mph, so very nice to have center hits with my slow swing speed.
Well done, Jerry - I'm very glad to know that this Hogan Grip lesson resonated well with you!!
With regard to the "sloppy" trail elbow, this episode featuring Mr. Hogan's "magic elbow" may be of some benefit: th-cam.com/video/iL9WmQ7KsmE/w-d-xo.html
Keep up the great work and have fun out there!!
TS
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We really don't need to keep this a secret, Roy... 🤐🤐😆
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You're absolutely right about everything here... "copying" the Hogan grip to the tee changes the entire swing! I've been afflicted with a low duck-hook for many years and went to the range to work on one thing.... the grip. By copying Hogan, I had a natural, unforced wrist hinge, and right elbow very close to the body. Also I kept the right pointer and thumb off the grip which is HUGE in not closing the club face too soon which caused my low screamers. This video confirmed all of my theories and reinforced what I've been working on. Thanks!
Awesome!! Excellent job, @Herbinator_88!!
Thanks for sharing your success and keep up the great work!!
Tom
I always play with this grip, I hit the ball so much further and more consistent with releasing the club and it just makes the golf swing so much easier
Exactly. I fought low hooks until I took the plunge and started using this grip. It has made all the difference in the world in my golf game and ball striking.
This was excellent Tom, I learn something new every time I watch your teaching video’s, many thanks for helping us out!
My pleasure! I'm very glad to know that this Hogan Grip lesson as well as my other instruction videos are resonating with you.
Keep up the great work and have fun out there!!
TS
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I basically use a modified Hogan grip much like yours.. glad to hear someone giving a clear explanation on Hogan's grip.
Thanks Andres - I appreciate your kind words and I'm glad you enjoyed my latest Hogan episode!
By the way, due to their popularity I've combined my Hogan lesson videos into a playlist series on this channel. Here's the link if you are interested: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html
Cheers!
Tom
I’m so glad I stumbled onto this. Changed my grip because of you and it’s changed my game! Thank you God Bless
Love your swing FYI
Fantastic! I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you; excellent job incorporating it into your swing and putting it into play! I appreciate you sharing your improvement and keep up the great work!! 💪💪
Thanks and God Bless,
Tom
PS: With regard to my swing, you can have it too! After all, it's really just physics and geometry, and those laws apply to the entire universe.... 😎
For an excellent starting point please check out my FREE mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
THIS!!! Spent a minute to find this one in my hidtory. You sir a a GENIUS. I jyst played, dpent last few days working on this. FLUSH... effortless distance, crisp striking. Turns out, I might lijeva higher compression ball after all. My only concern today way ball first. Amazing results, thank you. +7/+5... 83 in terrible conditions. Keeping hands forward was the best. Haven't hit the ball that crisp and flush with that great od compression, well, in maybe never.
Hands forward, it's physics... so many good stories from today!!!
Best
Fantastic!! I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated so well with you; excellent job putting it into play so quickly!!
Yep - we can either simply put the already existing natural laws to work for us, or we can twist, morph, torque, contrive, and otherwise mess with the principles of physics and geometry in an effort to better suit some ill-conceived whims, all the while recognizing that at the point of impact those unchanging laws are going to be the only things that matter to the ball!
Great work, great round!!
Tom
Just what I was looking for. Thank you. Watching your swing in slo mo, I'd say Hogan's swing was even flatter. On the backswing, his club is dissecting his bicep/tricep. I'm going to give his swing a try at the range. I've done some swinging in the house and it's a completely different feel than my normal swing. So much more compact.
Due to left shoulder pain, I can't quite keep my left arm as perfectly straight but I'm really feeling I'm coming into the ball ftom the inside. And that's something I've always struggled with. My main swing thought is keeping my right elbow glued into my right side.
My pleasure! I'm very glad to know that this lesson resonated with you, and I hope it performs well when you put it into practice!
By the way, this is by no means a "flat" swing as some might misinterpret it to be (nor was Mr. Hogan's in actuality). It is a one-plane motion, meaning that there is no independent, disconnected lifting of the arms and hands as you would see in a two-plane move (there's no need to "drop it in the slot" if you've already put it there). Instead, by properly maintaining our connections the arms, hands, and club are "elevated" as a result of the tilting, turning, and extending motions while the lead arm crosses the chest 45 degrees. So yes - while the feel may be "flat" to a golfer who has grown accustomed to a "shift and lift" type of swing, in actuality by turning our shoulders on that inclined plane and maintaining our relationship with the ball we achieve that classic look and very powerful position at the top. In fact, watch any Tour event on TV and you'll see a significant number of players executing these motions, a fact corroborated by just how many of them have a very centered swing with the lead knee flexing and the trail leg straightening during the backswing, their lead arms on or very close to their tilted shoulder planes, and their hands deep behind their trail shoulder at the top.
Thanks for your message and have fun out there!
Tom
PS: Would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
It was because of you breaking down Ben Hogan’s technique that I’ve stopped hooking for the most part. Thank you!
That's great to know, Joseph! I'm very glad to know that my instruction content and teaching style are resonating with you, and I sincerely appreciate you sharing your improvement!!
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, I am confident that you will also benefit from my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”.: go.saguto.golf/ If you haven't already worked through it, this is a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Thank you again for your content Ben Hogan.He has been my inspiration to get my golf game
back after my ankle replacement surgery 3.25years after the operatoon!!!
I relly think you nailed the trail arm and hand position spot on!!!
I appreciate that, Gerard, and I'm glad to know that this lesson resonated with you!
In case you are interested here is a link to the playlist of all my episodes featuring Mr. Hogan:
th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html
Beyond that, since you are working towards recapturing your game, have you considered the comprehensive, structured, sequential learning platform of my online school? That's where - among many other courses and lessons covering various aspects of the game - you will find very detailed instruction and drills that take you through the entire swing step-by-step from setup to finish. So many folks across the globe are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result. Here's a link if you would like to know more about the school - saguto.golf - and here's a link to my free mini-course: go.saguto.golf/
Thanks again for your comment. Have fun out there!!
Tom
Hi would love to chat to you about your ankle, I'm looking at needing to get mine done in the not too distant future.
That fart at 11:18 had me rolling lmao
One of the best « Ben Hogan’s » golf swing lesson on the Internet
Thank you, Frederic - I sincerely appreciate that!!
Mr. Hogan delivered - and continues to deliver posthumously - phenomenal and timeless instructional value, right?! But there are just so many misconceptions about Hogan’s swing out there - particularly within the realm of misunderstood or misapplied teachings - that have sadly relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of chronic frustration. I’m doing my best to clear these up one by one and put an end to this madness, because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered.
By the way, due to their popularity I've combined my Hogan lesson videos into a playlist series on this channel. Here's the link if you are interested: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html
Tom
Excellent analysis Tom. Explained with sage-like wisdom.
LOL! Thanks - I'm glad you enjoyed this analysis of Mr. Hogan's grip!
TS
I too suffer from the hooks and low flight. I take this video seriously and always take Hogan and his fundamentals seriously.. I am looking to hit the ball higher and maintain a good arm/body connection.. Hogan was left handed which most of us are not. He also had his legs damaged in that car accident which weakened his lower body making it come in late. But, he managed to focus his energy in the right place. Great video.
I'm glad to know that this lesson resonated with you, Dave! Mr. Hogan delivered - and continues to deliver posthumously - phenomenal and timeless instructional value, right?! But there are just so many misconceptions about Hogan’s swing out there - particularly within the realm of misunderstood or misapplied teachings - that have sadly relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of chronic frustration. I’m doing my best to clear these up one by one and put an end to this madness, because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered.
In case you are interested, due to their popularity I've combined my Hogan lesson videos into a playlist series on this channel. Here's the link if you are interested: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html
By the way, here's an excerpt from a 1987 Golf Magazine interview with Mr. Hogan regarding the left-handed thing:
GOLF: You were a natural left-hander who took up the game right-handed, weren’t you?
HOGAN: No, that’s one of those things that’s always been written, but it’s an absolute myth. The truth is, the first golf club I owned was an old left-handed, wooden-shafted, rib-faced mashie that a fellow gave me, and that’s the club I was weaned on. During the mornings we caddies would bang the ball up and down the practice field until the members arrived and it was time to go to work. So I did all that formative practice left-handed. But I’m a natural right-hander.
Thanks for your message!!
Tom
PS: Since you are liking my channel's content, I think you will also enjoy my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” - where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner. Here's a link in case you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/ Perhaps it can provide a good starting point for combatting and ultimately conquering those low hooks.
The Hogan grip in junction with rolling the face open on the way back as Hogan did it will yield very high, anti-left shots. To do this correctly, you must keep the trail elbow down and infront of the trail hip on the downswing and through impact. Meaning you hit the shot with the trail arm as described here in this video. One key component that is not regularly discussed that will take it to another left is making sure your hand/handle of the the club stays as close to your legs through impact and continue around and to the left as you move from impact to follow through. This move coupled with the Hogan grip and Hogan roll will allow you to fully compress the ball through impact producing shots that start just left of target, high as you'll ever hit it and gently fade back to the target.
Thanks for your videos. Very detailed and informative. Wish you had a launch monitor to show data on the different techniques. That would be cool and possibly attract more viewers.
I'm glad you're enjoying my content, Edd!
I do have a number of videos on this channel where I've used a shot tracer. Here are a few of them:
- th-cam.com/video/cVggUORbs5I/w-d-xo.html
- th-cam.com/video/UnOMjaDl3fE/w-d-xo.html
- th-cam.com/video/NthJA6TTZpo/w-d-xo.html
- th-cam.com/video/CSAvOMD7m_A/w-d-xo.html
There are also some where I've used a launch monitor, such as in this driver episode: th-cam.com/video/_xl47-9p1YU/w-d-xo.html
And then there's this club fitting session: th-cam.com/video/xp2c-oYQRVI/w-d-xo.html
Cheers!
Tom
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Ah, very nice! Thanks much and keep up the good work. 👍
Tom , you teaching is the best!!
Thanks so much, Scott - I sincerely appreciate your ongoing support!!
Tom
Great breakdown of the Hogan grip.. Big thanks for this one..
My pleasure, Nick - I'm glad to know that my analysis of Mr. Hogan's grip resonated well with you!
Tom
Tom, I appreciate all your videos. I have read hogans boook many times and you explain the concepts better than anyone else out there.
I sincerely appreciate your kind words, and I'm very glad to know that my instruction content and teaching style are resonating with you!!
Mr. Hogan delivered phenomenal and timeless instructional value, right?! But there are just so many misconceptions about his swing out there - particularly within the realm of misunderstood or misapplied instruction - that have sadly relegated generations of golfers to the vast abyss of chronic frustration. I'm doing my best here to clear these up one by one and put an end to this madness by taking what Mr. Hogan conveyed as his "feels", applying it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translating it into something we all can learn well from. Because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered.
Thanks again for your message and support!
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, I am confident that you will also benefit from my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”.: go.saguto.golf. If you haven't already worked through it, this is a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
Hi Tom. I learned this game via the Hogan grip. Whenever I am feeling myself fading a bit too much, I recall one tiny detail Mr. Hogan wrote in his book that comes off as *tiny* but, I believe, is very important to his theory. It's the part about his feeling of the right hand index finger's knuckle feeling like it is pressing towards the target (or however he specifically words it. My gf currently has my copy of the book so I can't double check). With this, I never have to feel like I have to swing harder in order to get the grip to work correctly and correct any fade that creeps in.
Anyway, thought you may like the food for thought. Let me know what you think. Cheers.
Yep you are spot on. He even suggests hitting shots with the right thumb and index finger off the club as he termed the tendons for these two digits “swing killers” if they become too active during the swing
When I was young I had a cupped left wrist, I chopped, flipped, chicken winged creating massive slices, pull hooks etc. Well after many years I fixed some of those. I fixed the slice but developed a constant hook. Then I found this channel. I now use a Hogan grip. I have to check each time because in slow swing my hands if gripped wrong, I naturally roll club closed. So I must pay attention. You also fixed my chicken wing. I now shoot mid to low 70s. I'm hoping to soon par a round or even better after 30 years.
That's awesome you're now in the mid-low 70s! I'm glad my instruction is working out for you. Great observation - you really have to watch the clubface with this grip. The true Hogan way slows the clubface closure rate and if very different from the normal grips out there.
absolutely right !a real concise teardown of hogans reasons for
a functional method of consistent clubface control,,thanks for
this tom, really helpful and enjoyable lesson again,!
👍😊
Thanks William - I appreciate your kind words regarding this episode from my Hogan series and I’m glad to know that you enjoyed it!!
Tom
Love your videos, you're a great teacher you break it down or it's understandable.
I sincerely appreciate that, Walter! I'm very glad to know that you are enjoying my simplified instruction.
TS
Have you ever watched the Ben Hogan - Coleman Video of his slow motion practice on the beach ? You’re a great Swing Coach !
Thanks Keith!!
Yes - I've seen that Hogan footage. Great swing (duh!); poor video quality..
Cheers!
Tom
As usual, you nail it with your lessons
Thanks Ben - I appreciate your kind words!!
Tom
I think I finally figured this out at the range today because I started making much better and straighter strikes.
Fantastic, Nathan!! I'm very glad to know that this grip lesson is starting to click for you; excellent job incorporating it into your swing.
Thanks so much for sharing your improvement and keep up the great work!! 💪💪
Tom
PS: By the way, since my lesson content is connecting well with you, I am confident that you will also benefit from my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”.: go.saguto.golf. If you haven't already worked through it, this is a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many accomplished, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
I love Hogan’s book and this just brought 19 pages to life - thanks
I appreciate knowing that, Andrew!!
There's a lot of great information in Mr. Hogan's "Five Lessons" book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did, and translate it into something we all can learn well from, because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered.
By the way, due to their popularity I've combined my Hogan lesson videos into a playlist series on this channel. Here's the link if you are interested: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html
Thanks for your message!!
Tom
PS: By the way, since my channel's content is connecting well with you, I think you will really like my FREE mini course - “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” - where you can learn some key aspects of the swing system I teach in a more structured manner. Here's a link in case you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/
Wow! What an excellent response. I will take a wander through your material. So far it all looks - crispy. Thanks
Wow!!! This really helped me hit the ball like never before. I knew my grip was one of the problems I just didn’t know how much. Thank you.
Fantastic! I'm glad this Hogan grip lesson video helped you to such an extent!!
Thanks for sharing your success with it!!
Tom
Great Hogan explanation Tom, and yes I am a Hogan model swinger. Grip position with minor adjustments makes a huge difference to ball flight and accuracy. Good job
Thanks @kelownagillis - I'm glad you enjoyed this Hogan video and I truly appreciate your kind words!!
Yes - I am absolutely a proponent of evaluating the influence of grip tweaks on both the swing and ball flight. Many folks are quite shocked at just how dramatic the effects of such a seemingly minor modification can be.
Cheers!
Tom
Absolutely the best explanation and showing of Hogan grip ever given free on You Tube. I hope your generosity brings you a lot of payed subscribers. I also agree 100 percent on your personal grip that Arnold Palmer taught Cheers
Thanks Thomas - I'm glad to know that you enjoyed this Hogan grip video to such an extent!!
I've truly appreciated your kind words, support, and insightful analyses throughout this past year, and I wish you and yours a happy and healthy 2021!!
Cheers,
Tom
@@SagutoGolf Best of Holidays to you and yours as well. Looking forward to more great golf content and your special humor in the coming year. Cheers
I also play sports right handed, but write left handed. Your Ben Hogan swing vids have really helped my game.
Big thanks for the great vids. From the guy who said you look like 1980s Tom Hanks :)
LOL! We're certainly an odd lot, Paul....
Yes - "Bachelor Party" era Tom Hanks, right?..... 😆
Thanks - I'm very glad to know that my Hogan content is resonating with you, and I'm thrilled for your improvement. I appreciate you sharing that and keep up the great work!!
Tom (Hanks or Saguto - your call....😎)
@@SagutoGolf That's right - Bachelor Party, Big, and Dragnet
Thanks for this! What a noticeable difference the grip and elbow placement has made! Much better contact, straighter shots. Literally all I've focused on is Grip, Elbows, weight on my heels more, then a easy backswing as comfortable as possible. Just not as flexible as I want to be, turning too deep causes me to lose the club path on the downswing, sacrificing distance unfortunately but I'll take control over that any day.
I'm glad to know that this grip tip has helped you, Michael, but the swing method and depth should - if anything - provide a distance boost and not a drain because - properly executed - you would be accessing the tremendous power source known as angular momentum.
Have you considered enrolling in the SagutoGolf online school? So many folks across the globe are now enjoying the best golf of their lives as a result. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course curriculum greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. There's even a members' forum where you can ask me specific swing-related questions, interact with others in the SagutoGolf community, and suggest new content ideas, plus you'll also have access to all exclusive TH-cam paid channel members-only content at no additional charge. Here's a link if you'd like more info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga. I hope to see you there!!
Tom
I had a retired golf pro look at my swing the other day at the range.... and he came up to me and said.... "boy you remind me a lot of a man named Ben Hogan".
Best compliment ever... thanks to you and my strong determination! You're the man Tom!
Well done, Johnny!!! A tremendous compliment indeed!!!
@@SagutoGolf Blew. My. Mind. JUST LIKE GUITAR. You never really realize you're good until people are in awe over it.
I've been tinkering with the swing to maximize power, and I believe one of the keys to perfect ball-striking has to do with level of separation between the right arm and body at takeaway (for right-handers, that is). You had a segment a few months ago stressing where the power is actually generated from, and the key (or one of them, at least) is keeping that separation to a minimum. I have always maintained a strong grip but will try the weak one you recommend here and see if it works. Thanks.
There's a lot we can learn from experimenting with different grips, provided the basic attachment to the club is correct so we maintain control of it throughout the swing. Just recognize what this weak grip is going to do to the face at impact as I related in this video.
Have fun!
Tom
Thanks for this Tom, going to give it a shot. Since I started the stack and tilt swing I’ve been demotivated because I hook EVERY shot, especially the woods. I’ve been trying to fiddle with my hand position at the top and swing path to nurse the hook away, which has been tough.
Hi Noel,
It is so important to embrace the swing change process and set realistic expectations along the way, otherwise frustration is certain to occur. The “ghosts of swings past” do not die easily, and if you are transitioning from a swing method that involved shifting weight into your trail side and/or lifting the club with your hands, those demons are going to take some time to exorcise!
This grip lesson can certainly help to resolve a hook - after all, it was part of Mr. Hogan's anti-hooking mechanism. However, it's most important to understand your ball flight - starting direction and curvature - as it relates to the clubface relative to both path and target line, because the actual cause may be completely different from what you're thinking and rooted in something that occurred well prior to impact.
It is important to understand that the videos, lessons, and drills on this free channel - while fully aligned with the swing method I teach - address a variety of topics, issues, feels, and common flaws/fixes from one episode to the next. They are certainly not intended to be taken as a sequential learning platform like the structured curriculum of my online school, which I strongly recommend to anyone who truly wishes to get on the proper path towards learning and owning this swing. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course layout greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga.
Best regards,
Tom
Used this grip today. First time I’ve ever broken 90.
I tend to agree with this at least for my game. If I’m too much in the fingers on my left hand the club is more prone to slip around through out my swing. Of course that’s just me, everyone’s different.
Grip pressure is indeed something that is very unique to each of us, which is why conveying personal "feels" in this regard have led so many golfers astray. For example, a 2 out of 10 “baby bird” grip to a strong guy like Sam Snead may equate to an 8 out of 10 to another golfer. We definitely don't want that handle swimming around in our hands because we're so loosey goosey that we can't control the clubface. A secure grip and soft arms are what we're after here. That prescription will certainly resonate differently for different folks, but the key is that our grip pressure should give us complete control of the club while not introducing swing-killing tension that prevents us from properly executing the motion and/or robs us of speed potential. Finding that sweet spot is a highly individual thing, and it is critical to consistently blissful ballstriking.
Cheers!
Tom
Tom I love this approach, everything is easy to line up for your shot, it keeps you formed to the swing , and then it happens, that crispy, buttery mashing of the ball happens with out a 2nd thought
Golf swing on autopilot, Randy. It's a beautiful way to enjoy this great game!!
Tom
Great advice on grip pressure! I always wondered about what is the right amount
Thanks Ward - I'm glad it helped!!
Tom
I have the same grip but interlocking for 40 yrs +. My swing plane is more upright - you seem to be coming back low flat and around at the start but come down more vertical from the top. Snow and a pandemic have closed the courses for me but life is a box of chocolates for those living in sunny South Gumpland.
If there was any steepness in my swing in this video, Alan, it would have been a direct result of this week grip because if anything I am more prone to being too shallow on the way down.
Anyway, the swing method I teach is Stack and Tilt. It's essentially the same plane back and through. It may have a "flatter" look to a two-plan swinger who actively lifts the club on the backswing and must then drop it in the "slot" on the downswing, but in reality it is a very efficient, powerful, consistent, and body-friendly way to swing.
Sorry for the lockdown. Hopefully the silliness of imposing martial law on golf - among many other things - will soon come to an end.
Cheers,
Tom
I feel the main benefit of this grip is the control you have if your very right hand dominant , I adopted a very similar grip in order to close face at impact and crisp up my shots , basically the left arm powers and the right index dictates clubface . I have always suffered from low on the face contact . Years of swing changes , lag , shallowing, open stance, closed stance …. You name it I’ve tried it . I started looking at grip to close face and this is basically what I’ve arrived at . I swear I could have cried when I started compressing properly from the middle of the face . It’s just soooo bloody easy !!
I was originally a slicer , became a hooker and do not power through the trail arm , but my trail arm does hold off til last minute like an axe swing …
I’m a carpenter btw
Nice job figuring out what works best for you, John!
And yes - that axe swing feel is something I teach. It's a great way to build in some serious lag.
Thanks for sharing and keep up the great work!
Tom
Interesting! Thx!
With this Hogan grip do you hold the club more firmly/tightly in the trail hand/fingers than the lead hand/fingers? Since your putting so much more power into the trail arm during this swing? Does the lead hand/fingers have a more relaxed grip or is the Trail hand and lead hand holding equally?
In your swing is it the same or different?
I'm glad you enjoyed it, Ray!
My grip pressure is pretty much the same with each hand, and it doesn't change throughout the swing.
Thanks,
Tom
PS: Would you like to learn some key aspects of the swing I teach in a more structured manner? If so, then here is a link to my FREE mini course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker”: go.saguto.golf/ It's a great way to gain a fundamental understanding of this system as well as an introduction to the instruction style that has thousands of men and women from across the globe - including many seasoned, low-handicap, competitive players and spanning all age ranges from junior to super-senior - enjoying the best golf of their lives: saguto.golf/p/sagutogolfreviews
big TY Tom; I've been hooking (or big draw) since keeping weight more left, also getting better contact; I'll be (and have) experimenting with the weaker (right) for long power and stronger for short finesse; i do not find the weaker right and stronger left feeling uncomfortable; trying to correct hooking with ball position wasn't helping me... thank you and be well 🎸
Perhaps a more Hoganesque grip is part of the cure for your affliction; it certainly was a component of his anti-hooking mechanism.
Beyond that there's always my online school which breaks everything down for you into sequential bite-sized pieces.
Rock on!
Tom
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Great, fun video Tom. Hogan right hand grip and elbow magic. It would be cool to watch you doing this at the driving range with your launch monitor and or Track Man device. Cheers, Greg
I'll get over to the range again sometime in the near future, Greg. Glad you're enjoying these videos!
Cheers,
Tom
14:39 Exactly! Clean contact first 👍
Merry Christmas Tom. Another great video. I am left handed but play golf right handed. I personally don't have that feeling with the right arm. I feel like it is along for the ride. I sometimes feel that I may have a better game playing left handed like every other sport I have played. Thanks for all you do.
Merry Christmas, Andy, and thanks so much for your kind words!!
Yours is an interesting scenario that I can appreciate with my odd mix of doing different tasks with each hand, but you're definitely not alone! Just ask Phil... (from the opposite side, of course). Short of saying that you need to train your trail hand to hit - which I realize may be difficult - I would recommend you work on maintaining your connections and allowing the lower body to bring you into impact. This Hogan video may help to give you a visual in this regard: th-cam.com/video/iejRWhuB7y8/w-d-xo.html. Also, even though this impact video lesson focuses on maintaining the angle between your trail arm and the club shaft, it may help you feel impact in a different way that prevents your dominant lead hand from getting out of control: th-cam.com/video/Fe2kQ44azJ4/w-d-xo.html
One of the keys in your situation is to not allow that strong arm - which probably seems to have a mind of its own in anxiously wanting to take over when you're trying to bust one - to jump ahead of the lower body and throw the entire downswing out of sequence, because if it does you're likely taking regular trips to Pull-Slice City. If you can train it instead to trail the lower body to the point where the shaft is parallel to the ground on the way down, then you should be in position to hit hard with the dominant hand as if it were a tennis backhand shot or throwing a frisbee.
Cheers!
Tom
Thanks Tom, Happy New Year all the best to you and your family.
Thanks so much, Patrick!! I've truly appreciated your kind words and support throughout this past year, and I wish you and yours a Blessed, Happy, and Healthy New Year as well!!
More great stuff to come in 2021!!
Tom
Hi Tom I was watching the video on the grip. The real reason why Hogans right hand grip was positioned in the way it was.
It’s not because of his hook/draw. The main and only reason is so the Right elbow can return to the hip and the right elbow is
Unaffected by the right hand position. The elbow easily unhinges away from the right shoulder. when the right hand is in a weak or neutral position on the club.
And especially in the fingers!
Just wanted to clear this up.
Thanks for your videos.
Hi John,
I don't think there is a fractional piece of Mr. Hogan's swing that he didn't meticulously think through. Each component had a specific purpose. I have to disagree with your words _ "the main and only reason"_ because he had to come up with a way to hit the ball hard while taking his nemesis - the hooks/overdraws - out of play, and his grip played no small role in that equation. Mr. Hogan's grip, which I agree was supportive of other critical elements in his swing, is what also enabled him to apply the power of "three right hands" with no fear of the left side of the course.
Thanks for your comment and Happy New Year!
Tom
Very enjoyable and worth while
Thanks David - I'm glad you enjoyed it!!
Thanks Tom. I have tried both but think I will stick with creases facing right shoulder. Thanks for all your great teaching in 2020 . Athalonz shoes are
incredible. Will get another pair in New Year . Wishing you a Very Happy , safe
New year
Hi Michael,
I tend to like my stronger grip too, though I found that there was definitely some good value to me personally in going through this exercise and seeing how my swing and ball flight reacted to a more Hoganesque model. I hope others will experiment and benefit from this as well.
Yes - they are great shoes, right?! I wear them just about everywhere!!
Thanks for your very kind words, and a happy, healthy New Year to you and yours!!
Tom
I envy your location. We received 5" of snow on Christmas day and then went into locked down on Boxing day until Jan 23. No more indoor golf for awhile. I developed a hook this summer and this grip might help to cure. Thank you for the insight.
Sorry for you double dose of plight, Rick. I hope they don't extend this silliness any further for you.
As long as you have good basic grip fundamentals it's not a bad idea to experiment with different iterations of weakness/strongness and monitor what impact different grips have on both your swing and ball flight (starting direction and curvature).
Stay well and stay warm!
Tom
I need to try this tomorrow!
Great - I hope it works well for you, Steven!
Cheers!
Tom
With all due respect to Me. Hogan, I like your method/grip position with the trail hand much better. Especially for someone just trying to improve their game the simplest way possible.
Understood Steven. We need to use the grip that serves us best individually. Let your ball striking and shot shape be your guide!
@@SagutoGolf I knew your way best for me right away. And I liked how you presented your opinion on the difference between yours and Hogan's grip. Top notch instruction from you as usual.
Thanks Tom, I’ve always followed Ben Hogan but until recently I wasn’t very studied about understanding his swing. He wrote an outline about his swing and the complex notion of swing planes. I wonder if Hogan ever released the notes he would take as he studied his swing?
I'm sure some of his notes are floating around somewhere out there, Frank.
Mr. Hogan certainly did make great contributions to the world of golf instruction, and he still remains popular in that realm today. Of particular noteworthiness in this regard is his book "Five Lessons - the Modern Fundamentals of Golf". There's a lot of great information in that book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all - including myself - can learn well from. If we get Hogan right there is tremendous and timeless instructional value to be garnered!!
TS
Thanks for explainations ! Great video
Thanks Mickael - I'm glad you enjoyed it!!
Tom
i just bought his 5 lessons book amd so glad i watched this as don’t think i’m a candidate for the Hogan grip. I have a natural fade slice so this is not the path for me grip wise I believe. Great stuff Tom!
Hi Wyatt,
Mr. Hogan is recognized by many as being the greatest ball striker of all time, and yes - he certainly did make great contributions to the world of golf instruction and remains popular in that realm today. There's a lot of great information in the "Five Lessons" book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all - including myself - can learn well from. If we get Hogan right there is tremendous and timeless instructional value to be garnered!!
If interested here's a link to my channel's playlist of Hogan-related episodes:
th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html
Cheers!
Tom
Yeah, but if you look at page 15 at the bottom, he says that the strength modification “where his thumb sits in relation to the top of the grip” is his own modification, and NOT a fundamental.
His foot position was always unique, looks like same foot ball placement when in fact he was slick on actually position by shifting his right foot.
I just realised I use the exact same grip except interlok not overlap and I need to over power my right side to not leave the face open aswell
If you need to force something in your swing in order to square the face - and if there is no manipulation of the face in your motion that would cause it to open - then you may wish to try making incremental tweaks to your grip and monitor the effect of each adjustment on your impact condition and shot shape.
TS
So.. how do you hit a cut that starts to the left and curves back ti the right with his swing and grip?
Here is a short episode featuring a fellow professional who joined me for a shot shaping demonstration at instructor camp in Miami: th-cam.com/video/IcmKxfLz9EM/w-d-xo.html You will note that there are only minor adjustments made to the setup in order to carve the ball in either direction or flight it differently; the basic swing mechanics do not change.
You may be interested in looking into my online school where you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only learning system for the full swing along with the finer points - including an advanced level course on the S&T Shot Shaping Grid which is designed to: 1) help members read and interpret their ball flight, 2) understand how to make adjustments/corrections, and 3) learn how to carve shots in both directions. Here's a link if you would like to know more about the school - saguto.golf - and here's a link to my free mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” if you’re interested in checking it out: go.saguto.golf/
Tom
Great video! Entertaining and informative.....kudos!👍🏻
Thanks so much, John - I'm glad you enjoyed it!!
Tom
Do you have any lessons on how to golf in the snow?
What is this "snow" stuff you speak of, Phillip??.....😆😆😆
Actually, winter weather and the ridiculous government-imposed lockdowns on well-distanced activities such as golf are the primary reasons I created the Indoor Golf Swing Training Program for my online school. It consists of 37 video lessons and drills designed to build and reinforce the correct swing fundamentals and motions so golfers will be able to hit the course in full stride once they are able to get out there again.
Beyond that, use orange-colored balls and don't expect your approaches to hold on frozen greens....
Cheers!
Tom
Im wondering if an oversized or jumbo grip would be difficult to effectively use Hogan's grip ?
Actually, I was using JumboMax Ultralite grips in extra-large for much of 2022 and the first part of 2023. I had wanted to give them a try for a few reasons, including the fact that DeChambeau uses them and we share similar swing philosophies. I personally liked the feel as well as how they helped to keep my hands quiet through the zone. (And no - I do not believe there is a conflict between the Jumbo's and the "Hogan grip".) Now, having said that, I purchased a new set of PXG's in the spring of 2023, and since they don't carry the Jumbo's in-house I went with their largest available grip, which is a midsize. I absolutely love the clubs, and I'm putting the factory grips through the playing test before deciding whether or not to have them regripped. There are no issues with the Jumbos and I still really like the way they feel; that's just where I'm at presently.
Tom
Also need to remember to feel pressure with ring and middle finger to begin transition. If you pressurise the thumb and forefinger you’ll cast the club 👍
Tom, I'm moving from New Hampshire to Rhode Island Jan, 5. Right after that I am going to re-apply to your online school.
Best of luck with the move, Robert. I look forward to having you back in the school!
Tom
I can imagine there's some nice courses round there? Is there a lot of Links tracks? I'm in NW England and there's a lot here especially on the coast.
What did swing look like? Reverse loop. Steeper down swing than the pull back.
To remedy that open face on the downswing, can I slightly close the club face at set up?
Hi Bill,
If the downswing path is approaching the ball from the inside as desired, then a clubface condition at impact that is open to the target line and closed to the path will produce the stock push-draw ball flight that starts right of the target (for a right-handed player) and curves back to the target. Video taken from down-the line will show you your downswing path, so as long as that is good you can then experiment with incremental tweaks to your grip if your ball flight suggests it.
If, on the other hand, your path is steep and across the ball from out-to-in, that's a completely different issue.
Tom
@@SagutoGolf Gotcha, heading to the range today, Thanks...
Working on using this Grip,and I gotta say Tom I Like it 👌 one thing I do though is close the face just a little bit And Bam!! I'm feeling confident it's going to help my game Tremendously
Nice job, Patrick!!
By the way, if you are going "full-Hogan" by deploying a "weak" grip and having to make compensations as a result, just know that it's perfectly fine to tweak your attachment towards a more neutral condition if that enables you to square the face at address while still creating a crispy impact condition and desirable ball flight. Having said that, go with whatever performs best for you in this regard and keep up the great work!! 💪💪
Tom
I find this grip reliable, down the middle, losing a bit off distance. I can not use this grip around the greens , that finesse shot I have to drop the club into the fingers
he also set his trail foot back as though to hit a draw. this confounded a young jack nich. when he came on the tour. jack also faded the ball but with an open stance or, what is typically taught to hit a fade. he figured it out later..lol
🤣...hitting it with the wrath of God! LOVE IT!! Good video. I'm nervous yet interested in trying it out.
No need to be nervous - just give it a try!!
By the way, here's a link to my FREE mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” in case you’re interested in learning about the swing system I teach in a more structured manner: go.saguto.golf/
Have fun out there!!
Tom
Another great one!
Thanks John - I'm glad you enjoyed it!!
Have a Blessed and Happy New Year!!
Tom
Reporter: How long do you practice in a day? Ben: Until my hands bleed.
The ben Hogan book says the right hand goes through the right eye. He mentions how he should've been a lefty but no one sold left handed clubs back then. He also says to keep right foot straight and left 1/4 turn out
There's a lot of great information in that book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all can learn well from.
By the way, here's an excerpt from a 1987 Golf Magazine interview with Mr. Hogan:
GOLF: You were a natural left-hander who took up the game right-handed, weren’t you?
HOGAN: No, that’s one of those things that’s always been written, but it’s an absolute myth. The truth is, the first golf club I owned was an old left-handed, wooden-shafted, rib-faced mashie that a fellow gave me, and that’s the club I was weaned on. During the mornings we caddies would bang the ball up and down the practice field until the members arrived and it was time to go to work. So I did all that formative practice left-handed. But I’m a natural right-hander.
@@SagutoGolf nice to know
Hey I'd like to subscribe into your weekly lessons... Just feel kinda dicey about giving you all my info. Love all your videos and lessons. Is everything secure?? You seem legitimate, but I've been on the wrong side of stuff before. Also how does it work???
Hi Timothy,
If you wish to become a member of my TH-cam channel's "Crispier than KFC" Club their should be a link to join on any of my public videos. This enrollment and payment is handled directly through TH-cam.
Alternatively there's the SagutoGolf online school, where for just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course curriculum greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. There's even a members' forum where you can ask me specific swing-related questions and suggest new content ideas, plus you'll also have access to all exclusive "Crispier Than KFC Club" TH-cam channel members' content. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga.
If you have specific questions or concerns please feel free to send an email to info@saguto.golf and someone will get back to you. FYI, we are out of the office for the entirety of this Christmas weekend and will return next week.
Thanks for your kind words and interest - I wish you and yours a blessed Christmas!!
Tom
Im the opposite, a right handed writer but a left handed golfer...i think it feels more like the trails hand is skipping a rock type motion when your smashing it hard with the trail arm
That's certainly a very acceptable feel!
This Hogan "Magic Elbow" video may resonate well with you as it puts you in that stone-skipping position: th-cam.com/video/iL9WmQ7KsmE/w-d-xo.html
Cheers!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf thanks i appreciate the encouragement i just started golfing july of 2020 during covid ..its alot of fun i think i am retiring from baseball and switching over to golf
My roomate has me as your name is his phone. I guess we look alike and act similar haha. Too funny bro!
Love the vids. Keep them coming
Uh-oh. I'm sorry for your afflictions, @gas gas gas....😬😂😂
I'm glad you're enjoying the content, my brother from another mother!
Cheers,
Tom
I think someone has even likened my game to kfc in its level of crispness 😂
I think your swing looks better with that grip. And you were killing those balls!! You guys are the only ones who have studied hogan and actually have figured out what he actually did!! Only took 100 years😆
As Mr. Hogan said, "the secret's in the dirt", and it's quite apparent that his swing keys have been as clear as mud for the vast majority of the golfing world ever since... 😆
As someone who has worked construction many years swinging a hammer, I really need to learn how to use that "old man strength" with my swing.
You may enjoy this lesson video in which I deploy a small sledgehammer: th-cam.com/video/6ssR9eYbajo/w-d-xo.html
By the way, here's a link to my FREE mini-course “The Top 3 Things You Need to Be a Great Ball Striker” in case you’re interested in learning about the swing system I teach in a more structured manner: go.saguto.golf/
TS
I'm thinking the lead are and the shaft have to form a straight line, lotta shaft lean.
lead arm and shaft
Hi Don,
Indeed, from a face-on view the lead arm and shaft in a forward-leaning straight line is the prescribed stock setup position for the Stack and Tilt swing method I teach.
Cheers!
Tom
@@SagutoGolf I have to say my ball striking has much improved.
"No trigger finger"? ... WHY? Why not?
I tend to have a trigger finger of my right hand (feels like I have control of the club)
... probably because I know the middle & ring finger grips the club, right?
So why does the index finger have to be together with the others?
Great stuff (as usual) 👍🏻 Keep up the good work.
Hi Mike,
I hope you had a wonderful Christmas!
That seemingly innocent trigger can cause undesirable manipulations of the face through impact, potentially leading to inconsistent results. Having said that, this is a general rule; YOU are the ultimate judge and jury with regard to how it works for YOUR swing.
Cheers!
Tom
SagutoGolf
Thanks, I always wondered about that. I notice other players do that too.
I think I felt like a long index finger down the shaft stabilized my grip on the club.
But maybe I don't want to stabilize it ("You gotta send it")
Thanks, Tom ... Looking forward to a new year of "Saguto Golf".
Hello Tom. I write from Argentina. I discovered your channel a couple of weeks ago and as I always liked Ben Hogan's concepts I started to follow you and apply them. I am a 53-year-old 11/12 handicapper and I started playing this sport with a lot of dedication and passion at the age of 44, unfortunately. It was easy for me to apply the concepts and as I play every day for a while I could see excellent results of consistency in all clubs (much more control for my 160 yards of 7 iron or for my 130 of pitch even for my 200 of hybrid 3). But I lost 20 or 30 yards with my Driver which worries me because it was already short. I hit 230 to 240 yards total and with the Hogan technique I hit 200 or 210 and I notice that this happens because I can't give a ball high flight as with my previous technique that put the ball ahead, higher on the tee and it was good behind. Do you have any advice for me with this situation? Because in your videos about Driver Hogan you say that we should not overtake or lift the ball more, but I notice that I lost height and and with it distance. From already thank you very much.
Hi @jotaelepege,
It sounds like you are getting very nice distances with your irons and hybrid, and based on those numbers I would think that you should definitely be at least in the mid-200's with your driver. It may be something as simple as the ball position being too far back with the driver, so make sure that you have it forward enough that it is even with the inside of your front heel. Also, we need to have a bit more weight on the front side with the driver, so try increasing it to 60% forward in your setup. Additionally, given the length of the driver's shaft this club should naturally work more around our body in the backswing and not nearly as upright as a short iron. Finally, let's make sure that you are continuing your lateral hip slide on the downswing all the way to impact. Due to the wider stance with the driver the hips have a longer distance to travel, and oftentimes they quit too soon causing a loss of power and undesirable ball flight.
Remember - it’s the same swing with every club in your bag.... (except the putter, perhaps 😆) Just some minor setup differences and naturally occurring shaft plane changes as we graduate up in club length from short irons to woods.
It is important to understand that the videos, lessons, and drills on this free channel - while fully aligned with the swing method I teach - address a variety of topics, issues, feels, and/or common flaws/fixes from one episode to the next. They are certainly not intended to be taken as a sequential learning platform like the structured curriculum of my online school, which I strongly recommend to anyone who truly wishes to get on the proper path towards learning and owning this swing. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course layout greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga.
Best Regards,
Tom
@@SagutoGolf Thank you very much for your time and your answer Tom. I will take into account your concepts and also your view on the individuality of each golfer. And I'll explore a bit about your custom programs. Thanks again.
@@jotaelepege Greetings from one golfer to another from Manchester England 🇬🇧. 👍🏌♂️🏌♂️
This is close but not what he did. My info comes from a friend whose grandfather started both Shady Oaks and Colonial, and who would shag for Hogan many times during the summer months. He said Hogan wanted to put his hands on the club the same way they were when your arms hang naturally. For most people, that means that the back of the hands turn in about 45 degrees. So he places them that way on the club, which meant visually a slightly stronger appearing left hand, and a weaker on top right hand. And on the right arm, it was never ever "tucked" - his right elbow was out, on top, and pointed more opposite the target.
The grip and the orientation of the arms/elbows are based on what Mr. Hogan taught in his Five Lessons book. I do have a lesson on finding your natural grip which you can find here: th-cam.com/video/47G9ZPaJTQE/w-d-xo.html
And regardless of where he might have had it at address (which varied over the years, and which was certainly inward-oriented in the book's illustrations), Mr. Hogan's trail elbow was most definitely tucked in the downswing when it really matters. The vast majority of amateurs who have no connections and/or have the slot machining action going on will benefit from presetting it.
There's a lot of great information in that book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. My instructional objective within this realm is to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all can learn well from. If we get Hogan right there is tremendous and timeless instructional value to be garnered.
Thanks for your comment!
Boy, I wish I could have seen this video back in the late 1980's and thru the 90's. I started my golf as a kid trying to emulate Nicklaus, but went to Hogan's five fundamentals a little later. I think the reason I had the hooks for the next two decades (and I have heard of other golfers having this problem after emulating Hogan), was not the fault of Hogan, or his book; it was the lack of depth of understanding and lack of being able to put it all together by teachers of Hogan's method and many readers of his book. "This is where it gets interesting..." is what you said in the video, Tom, shortly before you demonstrated applying massive "hit" with that right hand using the Hogan grip... and the results of which could be heard in the video: you destroyed that ball. In this video, you have illuminated, possibly "Hogan's secret (i know, right, he had maybe ten)", but for sure you have demonstrated that Hogan's method, as advanced by Hogan himself in "Five modern Fundamentals" is legitimate if followed in total (I make this distinction because it was common for a few decades for better players, and many instructors to sort of bash Hogan's book...I think they just didn't get the whole picture)...Hogan is my favorite Golfer of all time. I read a biography about Ben and that turned me into a fan of the person of Ben Hogan...thanks again Tom for the magic video...you hit this one out of the park!
Steve, thank you for the kind words - I'm glad you enjoyed the video! Everything with Hogan starts to make perfect sense once you understand his purpose (to eliminate the hook) and also his grip. His instruction and FEELS starts at the grip.
Interesting video and good demonstration of his grip. I'm actually reading the Hogan book right now and just got through chapter 2. Question for you, I notice that your stance you have your right foot open where in the book he believed you have the right foot should be pointed straight. He only opened the left foot a quarter turn. Could this be impacting why your shot is going off line?
Hi Mark,
I'm glad you enjoyed this video. With regard to my setup vs. Mr. Hogan's.... Weight forward 55/45 (up to 60/40 with the longer clubs), both feet flared out approximately 10-20 degrees, and the knees similarly angled outward are prescribed setup features of Stack & Tilt. This orientation facilitates a stress-free, flowing motion back and through, resulting in a very body-friendly, consistent, powerful swing.
Mr. Hogan is recognized by many as being the greatest ball striker of all time, and yes - he certainly did make great contributions to the world of golf instruction and remains popular in that realm today. Of particular noteworthiness in this regard is his book that you referenced: "Five Lessons - the Modern Fundamentals of Golf". There's a lot of great information in that book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all - including myself - can learn well from. If we get Hogan right there is tremendous and timeless instructional value to be garnered!!
By the way, due to their popularity I've combined my Hogan lesson videos into a playlist series on this channel. Here's the link if you are interested: th-cam.com/play/PLV62KxT7Mp7IyNDRp0hZK1F1OScdXx-u1.html
Cheers!
Tom
PS: If you ever wish to give my swing method a fair shot, please consider enrolling in the SagutoGolf online school. For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only platform that breaks down and greatly simplifies the entire learning process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. Here's a link if you'd like more info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga.
@@SagutoGolf thank you so much. First step for me is to get the information I'm learning from the Hogan book and get it out to the range once it's warm enough. I want to find out what works and doesn't for me in that book and understand why. From there I'm going to adjust the info to my game and I'll definitely come back for insights. If you are taking video requests, I have a lot of challenges keeping my left arm straight in my efforts to bring the club back especially once I rotate my shoulders. Hogan says in the book when you bend it you gave up power on your shot but on the back swing it feels so natural to bend that arm when bringing the club back and I think it even happens on the subconscious level. Might be from all my days playing baseball as a kid.
Like the wrath of God - love this grip. One point i wanted to ask is how many left hand knuckles do you see at address? I see two when i look down and even put marks on my golf glove for alignment.
I'm glad you enjoyed this episode!
Different grips perform differently for different folks and different swings, so _viva la difference!!_
In my normal (semi-strong) grip I can see three knuckles. Anything less than two is going be quite weak, and I've seen guys - Zach Johnson, for example - who would see six knuckles if they had that many, but are still able to make their way around the course quite well!
Cheers!
Tom
Tom,
Are you working on growing Elvis chops? It could work for you.
Thank you..... Thank you very much.
😆😆
So, no trigger finger? I've been alternating, to my detriment it may seem, trying to work things out.
Keep tweaking it in your range sessions, Duane. Monitor how different types of grips affect your swing and ball flight, and you'll work yourself into the one that performs best for you provided that your basic grip fundamentals are sound. If you search this channel you will find a couple of other grip-related videos that may help you in this regard.
Also, Have you considered enrolling in the SagutoGolf online school? For just $10 US/month or $99 US/year you'll have unlimited access to a comprehensive members-only system for the full swing, the short game, and much more. The school's intuitive course curriculum greatly simplifies the entire process through succinct, step-by-step videos, and I'm regularly adding new content. This will really put you on the fast track towards learning everything in a well-organized, self-guided fashion. There's even a members' forum where you can ask me specific swing-related questions and suggest new content ideas, plus you'll also have access to all exclusive "Crispier Than KFC Club" TH-cam channel members' content. Here's a link if you'd like additional info: saguto.golf/p/golf-swing-simplified-tom-saguto-pga.
Cheers!
Tom
Great
I use this grip to keep from flipping and hitting sky balls with no distance.
I feel like you should loosen up your swing a bit. There’s just something off about it that keeps it from looking fluid. It looks stiff and mechanical. Maybe mostly in the follow through. Channel Ernies fluid loose relaxed swing
I need to buy more WD 40
Hope you’re but offended by that. Of course you’re swing is great and I like your channel. Just trying to give some feedback .I’m a + 1 handicap if that means anything LOL. Thank you for the response and the content!
From the queens gambit. When Beth destroys Benny at speed chess. “Well kid!! I think you’ve got it!”
LOL! Thanks Christopher!!
I feel that a better book is Ben Hogan’s power golf that is when he was playing his best golf and was healthy. Five lessons got many things wrong, and things that he did not do in his swing. As for his grip Hogan had big hands especially for his height, and Hogan developed this grip after his accident because he could not use his legs as well as before he was injured. And his elbows at address were never as close together as the illustration showed.
There's a lot of great information in Mr. Hogan's "Five Lessons" book, but there have also been many misinterpretations that have led numerous golfers - and their ball flight - astray. I do my best to take what Mr. Hogan conveys in the book as his "feels", apply it to the reality of what he actually did in his swing, and translate it into something we all can learn well from, because if we can get Hogan right there are tremendously effective swing keys to be garnered.
Cheers!
Tom
Good one!!
If Fred Couples is scooper because of his stong grip why and how does he hit it so far?
I didn't say he was a "scooper". He's a highly functional flipper.
@@SagutoGolf Scoop flip not sure there's a difference. I guess the angle of attack is measurably less steep and approach to the ball at a different plane than the at set-up. Picking is are more effective off wet fairways while steeper angles of attack are more effective out of thick rough. Thanks for replying.
Didn’t he also keep his right foot Square to the target and not flared out?
Would be great to see you and the ball on a launch monitor
Hi Jim,
I've used a shot tracer app in a number of my videos, including this course vlog: th-cam.com/video/CSAvOMD7m_A/w-d-xo.html Here are some others: - th-cam.com/video/cVggUORbs5I/w-d-xo.html - th-cam.com/video/NthJA6TTZpo/w-d-xo.html - th-cam.com/video/UnOMjaDl3fE/w-d-xo.html In case you're curious I use this shot tracer app that you can download to your phone: www.shottracerapp.com/
Cheers!
Tom
Great video but......don't forget grip pressure through the swing.
Grip pressure is a personal feel. For example, a 2 out of 10 to a strong guy like Sam Snead may have felt like a 7 out of 10 to another golfer. We definitely don't want that handle swimming around in our hands because we're so loosey goosey that we can't control the clubface. A secure grip and soft arms are what we're after here. That prescription will certainly resonate differently for different folks, but the key is that our grip pressure should give us complete control of the club while not introducing swing-killing tension that prevents us from properly executing the motion. Finding that sweet spot is a highly individual thing, and it is critical to consistently blissful ballstriking.
TS
Nice grip. You could use another one at 11:18 😂