Watching your video, at first I thought ...I don't know about this guy...but I watched it all, then went across the street to a baseball diamond and hit 32 balls with my wedge from the outfield toward the infield (the green) and made solid contact on 27 balls that would have been on the green. I can't wait to get to a driving range so I can hit my longer clubs. It was the best my swing felt in decades. ( I'm going on 72). Thank you so much Chris. May God continue to bless you.
I rebuild my swing 3 years ago after reading 5 lessons. Changed everything, but realise I missed this key to Hogans swing. I had a strong grip in my left hand and always ended up closing the club in the downswing. I couldn’t figure out why. Even if I made a slow swing back, holding the club as hard as I could, and stopping back down the face was closed. I’ve been changing things to compensate, but never tried this. This is crucial information to make Hogans swing work. So glad I found it! You should empathise this for everyone doing this shift to Hogan swing. You don’t get it in the 5 lessons book. At least I didn’t. Your series about Hogan is revolutionary. Fantastic research and great observation of details! Thank you!
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Chris, I've read Hogan's book and I still did not fully understand this detail. I play with a neutral grip, watched your video twice and went to the range and the rest is history! Everything started to align, the hits were solid and very precise, in other words I had my Eureka moment, thanks to you, thank you very much and more please! 😊
Probably one of the most challenging aspects of beginners in learning the golf game, learning how to grip the club. As a young 10 yr old it took me awhile but eventually the classic Vardon grip became natural. Not too weak or strong.
Sir, I was skeptical of your statements on the pressure point interfering until I picked up a club, and my god you are correct, the thumb takes over for me, i cannot take my mind off it. Much easier to get into the proper plane on the bs your way. Thanks. Success always! Dr D
Honestly folks, get this figured out and just about everything else you’ve worked on throughout your golf journey will start to happen effortlessly. There is a reason Hogan dedicated something like 19 pages to explaining this and it’s actually very easy to do. Once you feel it, you can’t un-feel it. The explanation from Chris on where you feel this, especially in the right hand, is 100% spot on. I literally chuckle at the range now watching folks struggle and always resist the urge to walk up to them and just reset their grip and then say, “you’re welcome” and walk away. But I don’t want to be golf guy and we have to figure these things out on our own, ha :)
Wow ! New subscriber. Love your channel already. I've seen many vids on Hogan but no one has deciphered the components of his swing the way you have ! Just an excellent job !!!
Hi Chris Thank you so much Greetings from SA It's like putting on a glove It's making so much sense For so many years gone by I am understanding it Even with the elboys towards the hips It comes natural and my ball striking has improved You and Mr H are kings And being unorthodox is the natural way as the golf swing is unique as a finger print
In my humble opinion, for those seeking Hogan's magic, pay attention to his instructions. Knowledge is" king" in golf, Chris is the king of that knowledge! IMO! Myy best to all the warriors!
Ok, previously had a loose grip at the top, across the line, overswing especially with the driver. I'm a low single handicapper and hit long ( ball speed 172 mph) and over 50 years old, but it can be hit and miss off the tee, generally with hook spin. I tried it, feels very controlled, overswing gone, baby cut throughout the bag. Also works well with chipping. Thank you so much, at last I found the real reason for fanning the club on the inside, causing a lateral move, overswing, across the line, poor sequencing etc.
I didnt know about this grip but always had problems with my grip and did some experimenting. After many tedious hours I completely changed it . I'm right handed. Left hand , grip the club with pinky and next finger pressed against club grip against your palm . The thumb making a straight line up the opposite arm. Similar to what you demonstrated. So no pressure except 2 fingers at the top of club Right hand interlocking grip but only gripping club with index finger and thumb . The palm goes snuggley over left thumb. The right thumb also makes a straight line following right arm. This gives the appearance of a strong grip. Only pressure points are top of club grip and bottom of club grip. With this grip I found that the club can be held with hardly any pressure but simply will not slip . Swing as hard as you want but no slip . Now I watch your presentation and it is very similar. Love your videos and your style. Cheers I would love it if you tried this grip out , am interested to see what you reckon.
as crazy as it sounds- you are spot on- I tried this on the course and I knew exactly where the club head was- plus it prevents me from whipping the club inside- I finally broke 90- with some practice I 'm sure I'll break 80
Chris: I use a baseball grip with thumbs off the top of shaft and more towards the sides. This grip works for me as I feel both hands in the swing with no dominating hand. For me the key takeaway from your vid is not putting pressure on the top of the shaft.
Now I understand better the Hogan grip! Very well explained and demonstrated. Hogan’s ‘5 Lessons’ is a masterpiece. Looking forward to more of your videos. Earned my subscription. Thank you.
Chris: Gave this grip a try. Really different feeling. Also noticed different arm muscle feelings in lead arm when I took the grip, also noticed a different ball flight trajectory compared to my other grip. Very interesting! Your videos are mind blowing man!
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan Thanks Chris. it works like a charm hehehe at this moment i work on all of your swing taught and most of them works like a charm including this both hand. I still not grasp your hip recenter on transition tough. i found difficulties in finding feel to start downswing to hit the ball from holding the plate position / top. it easy for me to imagine / feel it with empty right hand which it look like a karate under cut with palm at impact. and it real powerfull hit with your 7.5 degree angle. but when i hold the club with my both hand, and i take it to the top, those feeling cannot be implemented or doesnt seem right. what kind of correct feeling it should be ? thanks before
Should probably have gone to the range first, but tried it on the course anyway. The club does feel better in my hands but I need to work on bowing the wrist in the downswing to get it to close through impact. Will keep trying this. Do you use the vardon grip?
I think so for one reason and one reason only. If you have a weaker left hand and understand how to work the swing with the lead side of your body, hitting it left becomes impossible, thus eliminating one side of the golf course. Just my opinion.
Chris- I’m definitely going to give it a try! I’ve been watching a lot of your videos and incorporating a lot of what you say regarding the take away, ball placement, rolling of the wrists, etc. and I’ve been hitting the ball better than I ever have! I’ve always been confused regarding the grip, and I’m definitely going to follow your advice. I’ll report back on how it goes. In the meantime, I wanted to let you know that I ordered two of those spectator seat devices from Amazon- one for me and one for my loving brother. I watched another one of your videos that said your TH-cam site somehow didn’t qualify under Amazon’s guidelines. Sorry about that! I told my significant other that although your approach is very different than most other golf instruction videos I’ve seen, you seem to really know what the hell you’re talking about and I intend to keep listening, watching, learning, and incorporating! Good luck with your channel and thanks for all you! 😊
Thanks for the kind words, and I am glad you are watching. The amazon stuff is no big deal as the sit pro thing is really a great, inexpensive tool to get the right feels.
Wonderful video, a couple of questions 1. Will the polygongolf swing trainer be available again? 2. What background do u use for your videos, they are incredible Thank you for the great work
Understanding the relationship between the lead wrist and the club face (both loft and face angle) can lead a player right down the path that Hogan trod and you’ve aptly pointed out. The famous “weakening of the grip” wasn’t to fight a hook, it was to stabilize the club face by putting the face in a biomechanical alignment that’s at the end of the range of motion. Meaning, if we want the club face to be square(ish) to the path into and post impact, the lead wrist position- which is dictated mostly by the grip - must keep the club face square(ish) or else it’s useless. A “strong grip” - when putting the lead wrist into full flexion into and through the strike - produces a woefully shut face. It’s unusable. So, the golfer then creates a “grey area” in their movement pattern. Sometimes it’s on and timed well, other times not. If I recall correctly, Hogan said something to the effect of a player needs to “find the left side of the golf club” in Chris Tchetter’s book. I think if it as putting the striking tool in a clamp to do the task. Then we set about limiting the rotation of the face on its sagittal plane - the rolling of the face to square it. Your channel is awesome. I’d love to collaborate sometime.
Hi Chris. I enjoy your videos; however, John Schlee, who actually learned his grip from Hogan, adamantly says the opposite - that the left thumb (for right handed golfer) should be placed slightly to the right side of the shaft. And I believe Hogan said that he weakened his left hand by moving 1/4 in. (not 1/4 turn) to the left from where he was before on the shaft (which was previously more of a neutral grip). Just curious as to how you reconcile your left hand grip placement with that of Schlee's. Thanks
I watched the last part of the George Voleman video where Hogan shows his grip. Sure looks like his short left thumb is dead center. The top of the grip on the club looks flat like a grip on a putter.
I tried to use that grip description. It makes me tense on my left hand; no swing flow happens because the tension in my hands tenses me all over. I rather use the original finger grip which helps me feel the club head and makes my swing "flowing" I would like your comments! Thank you, Chris,
You have to do what works best for you while getting the results you are looking for. Hogan's swing fundamentals are like building blocks, some of them might do you well and others may not. You just need to see what will work for you consistently.
Chris, in the latter part of this video you said Hogan weakened his grip 1/4 turn. Where did you see that? The Life magazine article quotes Hogan as saying he weakened his left thumb 1/8 to 1/4 inch, which seems to be a lot less than 1/4 turn. Now I want you to know I am not discounting anything you are saying, including the new feel you are talking about, I just wanted to point out a possible info discrepancy and ask where you saw the "1/4 turn" words.
Sorry if it is not in any of the writings. I tied it moving the thumb in the increments you described, however it was not until I felt the 1/4 turn of the entire hand that allowed my correct pressure point in the thumb to get on the left side of the shaft. Hope that helps.
The left hand is moving into an extremely neutral position. This is what I like to call the Zeroing out the left and right hands. When things are zeroed out correctly is when you can feel both hands working as one unit.
@@maeu59 First check your ball position, make sure it is in line with your left heel. Most people play it to far back never giving the clubface enough time to square up. Next it that is in check, just find a way to grip it that works for you and try to get that lead thumb pressure point on the left side of the grip, if you're right handed. But without seeing your swing I am only guessing at this point as it could be (the slice) happening from other things as well.
For me the key is how chris wraps rather than places his hands on grip,i nicked this from a lydia ko video that wasnt about the grip so dont just clap hand Wrap hands around grip
I don't understand the the 'butterfly grip' concept. It doesn't seem possible because you're touching your palms together at the same part of the hand, but the right hand is lower than the left on the club. That breaks the butterfly apart.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan Yes, really. It isn't possible to keep the hands totally even if that is what you're saying. The right hand covers the left thumb. That separates the butterfly. I must be getting something wrong.
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A true “Butterfly Grip” is used when you do not want the club to close. You place your left hand on the grip and turn it all the way to the right, and then you put your right hand on an turn it all the way to the left. If you then kept your thumbs on the grip and spread your fingers, you would see a “butterfly”. This a great grip to use out of bunkers and lies in the rough where you do NOT want the club to close or even square up. This is definitely not the grip Mr. Hogan used. For those interested in the true butterfly grip look here th-cam.com/video/NUrRKYdhOL4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-j8hCK1GgRjSlb0u
Hogan used what is considered an extremely weak grip. Why is that? Because he struggled with a "caddy hook" (AKA, duck hook) for most of his early career. It was the only way he could eliminate it. Did it work for him? Absolutely! Should it be considered a standard...? Hardly! What worked for Hogan, worked for Hogan. I believe the whole point of Hogan was - figure out what works for you. The secret is in the dirt.
I agree wholeheartedly. However, be willing to honestly try what has worked for others in the past. My father, a PGA teaching pro for over 35 years , old school, and most assuredly a Hogan fan, eventually had to convert to a "strong" grip. He didn't like the thought, just at 88 and a 4 HC, he had to do so to 13:04 continue playing "almost decent" golf. His words, not mine. Chris, you have helped my game tremendously! Last outing, I hit 10 out of 16 fairways and had 5 GIR, barely missing the greens on the rest of my play. Thank You! Will soon join up with your site.
So this Hogan grip video below is incorrect? Just wondering why the other “Hogan grip” videos don’t mention it. th-cam.com/video/Ez6Y-fMXWew/w-d-xo.html
When he says Hogan changed his grip and got the thumb on top of the shaft (Five Lessons) just do that and then move the pressure point of the (thumb only!!!) the way I described in the video I did. It is the pressure point of the thumb and where it is placed that will allow you to feel the total control of the left hand. So yes, in my opinion he is wrong.
2 reasons. 1 I have mentioned many times. The other is it is my job to teach what is happening. The information I share and the way I am doing it currently has helped and is helping 1000's of golfers all over the world.
I follow your content recently. I am not aware about everything what said or explain before. I was just wondering cause I like to see démonstration too. No offense if you took my comment on a bad way. Not my purpose
@stephanetzicuris3376 the reason I can not go and hit balls at the course or a driving range is because of my daughter's health. If my daughter catches a common cold, it becomes life threatening. So until the doctors clear her with the new meds she is on I just cannot do it.
Hi Chris. Regarding this video about Mr Hogan grip. I think you are really wrong. You are referring to the Coleman video and says , look at it and see. I have been studying Hogan since 1990 and never seen Hogan grip the club as you describe. There is no moment in the Coleman video that shows that Hogan grips the club so much down the fingers. And there is not any picture in the five fundamentals book showing what you says is right. So i am curios how you can be so sure about all that you say regarding Mr Hogans swing is correct. So far we haven´t seen you make a real golf swing at all, just seen you stand there promising as that all you say is dead right, period.
Why don't you just try it and see what happens. Be honest and don't over do it. Your statement should be you and not we. Anyways I am moving into a new studio in the next couple of weeks and it will satisfy your need to see me hit balls.
Does you actually ever hit a ball? What is your handicap? What is your swing speed? Who are your best students? This is all theoretical and interpretation.
Totally over complicated explanation of something very straightforward. Been a Class A for 20 years teaching the SIMPLE Hogan grip. This is for sure not it.
Chris, I appreciate your study of Hogan but I’m not too interested about the whys and the what about of the Great Mr. Hogan. Just show me what to do. You were 5 minutes into a 15 minute video before you gave a specific instruction. I have watched about 10 of your videos and yet to see you hit a ball into a net. Can you do that very well or do you just talk a good game? What the heck is Polygon Golf? Again I’ve watched 10 videos and no mention of it. Feels like you are hiding something. I like your manner and soft spoken approach but waiting for you to get to the point is tedious. Sorry this is a bit negative but I hope some of it can help you to make good content. As a life long golfer I love the game and the golf swing but I just want to know the time, not how to make the watch. Best wishes.
Best teacher i have come across after over 50 Years of playing golf. Excellent
Watching your video, at first I thought ...I don't know about this guy...but I watched it all, then went across the street to a baseball diamond and hit 32 balls with my wedge from the outfield toward the infield (the green) and made solid contact on 27 balls that would have been on the green. I can't wait to get to a driving range so I can hit my longer clubs. It was the best my swing felt in decades. ( I'm going on 72). Thank you so much Chris. May God continue to bless you.
I rebuild my swing 3 years ago after reading 5 lessons. Changed everything, but realise I missed this key to Hogans swing. I had a strong grip in my left hand and always ended up closing the club in the downswing. I couldn’t figure out why. Even if I made a slow swing back, holding the club as hard as I could, and stopping back down the face was closed. I’ve been changing things to compensate, but never tried this.
This is crucial information to make Hogans swing work. So glad I found it! You should empathise this for everyone doing this shift to Hogan swing. You don’t get it in the 5 lessons book. At least I didn’t.
Your series about Hogan is revolutionary. Fantastic research and great observation of details! Thank you!
Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
It all began in 2000 with the book 5 fundamentals.
The last 24 years have been up and down but always happy, balance, rhythm and harmony and peace all wrapped up in bliss.
And fulfilment ❤️🎉❤
Thanks gentle Ben you wee ice man ♂️.
Love light 🎉❤
I tried this grip. Absolutely pure genius.
Thank you
Fantastic!
After 40 years this video has transformed my game.
Grateful Aussie.
Fantastic.
Yes, it works in my swing just as you described Thanks
Chris, I've read Hogan's book and I still did not fully understand this detail. I play with a neutral grip, watched your video twice and went to the range and the rest is history! Everything started to align, the hits were solid and very precise, in other words I had my Eureka moment, thanks to you, thank you very much and more please! 😊
Probably one of the most challenging aspects of beginners in learning the golf game, learning how to grip the club. As a young 10 yr old it took me awhile but eventually the classic Vardon grip became natural. Not too weak or strong.
Sir, I was skeptical of your statements on the pressure point interfering until I picked up a club, and my god you are correct, the thumb takes over for me, i cannot take my mind off it. Much easier to get into the proper plane on the bs your way. Thanks. Success always! Dr D
Honestly folks, get this figured out and just about everything else you’ve worked on throughout your golf journey will start to happen effortlessly. There is a reason Hogan dedicated something like 19 pages to explaining this and it’s actually very easy to do. Once you feel it, you can’t un-feel it. The explanation from Chris on where you feel this, especially in the right hand, is 100% spot on. I literally chuckle at the range now watching folks struggle and always resist the urge to walk up to them and just reset their grip and then say, “you’re welcome” and walk away. But I don’t want to be golf guy and we have to figure these things out on our own, ha :)
Wow ! New subscriber. Love your channel already. I've seen many vids on Hogan but no one has deciphered the components of his swing the way you have ! Just an excellent job !!!
Thanks for the comment. Glad you are here and watching. A lot more to come👍.
Hi Chris
Thank you so much
Greetings from SA
It's like putting on a glove
It's making so much sense
For so many years gone by
I am understanding it
Even with the elboys towards the hips
It comes natural and my ball striking has improved
You and Mr H are kings
And being unorthodox is the natural way as the golf swing is unique as a finger print
Thanks so much for sharing. Your right.
In my humble opinion, for those seeking Hogan's magic, pay attention to his instructions. Knowledge is" king" in golf, Chris is the king of that knowledge! IMO! Myy best to all the warriors!
Thanks so much.
Ok, previously had a loose grip at the top, across the line, overswing especially with the driver. I'm a low single handicapper and hit long ( ball speed 172 mph) and over 50 years old, but it can be hit and miss off the tee, generally with hook spin. I tried it, feels very controlled, overswing gone, baby cut throughout the bag. Also works well with chipping. Thank you so much, at last I found the real reason for fanning the club on the inside, causing a lateral move, overswing, across the line, poor sequencing etc.
Thanks for sharing. It is a really good feeling when you can feel the hands working as one unit.
I didnt know about this grip but always had problems with my grip and did some experimenting. After many tedious hours I completely changed it . I'm right handed.
Left hand , grip the club with pinky and next finger pressed against club grip against your palm . The thumb making a straight line up the opposite arm. Similar to what you demonstrated.
So no pressure except 2 fingers at the top of club
Right hand interlocking grip but only gripping club with index finger and thumb . The palm goes snuggley over left thumb.
The right thumb also makes a straight line following right arm.
This gives the appearance of a strong grip.
Only pressure points are top of club grip and bottom of club grip.
With this grip I found that the club can be held with hardly any pressure but simply will not slip . Swing as hard as you want but no slip .
Now I watch your presentation and it is very similar.
Love your videos and your style. Cheers
I would love it if you tried this grip out , am interested to see what you reckon.
This is really interesting. I'm gonna try it. I struggle with re-gripping at the top. I'm wondering if this will fix that. Thanks.
as crazy as it sounds- you are spot on- I tried this on the course and I knew exactly where the club head was- plus it prevents me from whipping the club inside- I finally broke 90- with some practice I 'm sure I'll break 80
Great job, breaking 80 will come, just keep working on your motions.
Thank you Sir.. Very helpfull..
I accidently discovered this recently...you are 100% spot on sir!!
Welcome aboard!
Super fun and insightful. Thank you kindly for this building block.
You're welcome. Glad you're watching.
Chris: I use a baseball grip with thumbs off the top of shaft and more towards the sides. This grip works for me as I feel both hands in the swing with no dominating hand. For me the key takeaway from your vid is not putting pressure on the top of the shaft.
That's great. Glad it is helping.
Works👍
Nice work Chris....this is literally the most detailed explanation of how Hogan gripped ..... very new to me but very interesting.
Thanks and glad you are here Victor.
This is nice. Now it really makes sense...
Now I understand better the Hogan grip! Very well explained and demonstrated. Hogan’s ‘5 Lessons’ is a masterpiece. Looking forward to more of your videos. Earned my subscription. Thank you.
Thanks. I really appreciate that.
I'm over Hogan golf lessons
Chris: Gave this grip a try. Really different feeling. Also noticed different arm muscle feelings in lead arm when I took the grip, also noticed a different ball flight trajectory compared to my other grip. Very interesting! Your videos are mind blowing man!
Very cool. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching, glad you are here.
Chris; First time a heard that grip; I will try it! Thank you
Let us know how it goes.
Thanks chris,
It works like charm
Is this how we can hit with both hand as you mention in your replay before ?
Yes.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan Thanks Chris. it works like a charm hehehe
at this moment i work on all of your swing taught and most of them works like a charm including this both hand. I still not grasp your hip recenter on transition tough.
i found difficulties in finding feel to start downswing to hit the ball from holding the plate position / top.
it easy for me to imagine / feel it with empty right hand which it look like a karate under cut with palm at impact. and it real powerfull hit with your 7.5 degree angle. but when i hold the club with my both hand, and i take it to the top, those feeling cannot be implemented or doesnt seem right.
what kind of correct feeling it should be ? thanks before
Bingo! Thanks Chris.
You bet!
Yes
Should probably have gone to the range first, but tried it on the course anyway. The club does feel better in my hands but I need to work on bowing the wrist in the downswing to get it to close through impact. Will keep trying this. Do you use the vardon grip?
Yes, overlap. It will come. this video will help. th-cam.com/video/FUvkusPs_7I/w-d-xo.html
you're right
Thanks.
Christopher ...I think you're giving away some real gold here....any chance of closer camera on the left thumb?
Does it matter if you have a strong or weak grip using the Hogan swing technique?
I think so for one reason and one reason only. If you have a weaker left hand and understand how to work the swing with the lead side of your body, hitting it left becomes impossible, thus eliminating one side of the golf course. Just my opinion.
Thanks. Actually a lot of guys from Hogan era looked like hogan..Enjoying the insight 👍⛳️
Glad you're enjoying it.
Chris- I’m definitely going to give it a try! I’ve been watching a lot of your videos and incorporating a lot of what you say regarding the take away, ball placement, rolling of the wrists, etc. and I’ve been hitting the ball better than I ever have! I’ve always been confused regarding the grip, and I’m definitely going to follow your advice. I’ll report back on how it goes. In the meantime, I wanted to let you know that I ordered two of those spectator seat devices from Amazon- one for me and one for my loving brother. I watched another one of your videos that said your TH-cam site somehow didn’t qualify under Amazon’s guidelines. Sorry about that! I told my significant other that although your approach is very different than most other golf instruction videos I’ve seen, you seem to really know what the hell you’re talking about and I intend to keep listening, watching, learning, and incorporating! Good luck with your channel and thanks for all you! 😊
Thanks for the kind words, and I am glad you are watching. The amazon stuff is no big deal as the sit pro thing is really a great, inexpensive tool to get the right feels.
Wonderful video, a couple of questions
1. Will the polygongolf swing trainer be available again?
2. What background do u use for your videos, they are incredible
Thank you for the great work
Send me an email to polygongolf(at)gmail(dot)com and I will get in touch with you.
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Did this and real talk This is a Game changer
Thanks for sharing.
Understanding the relationship between the lead wrist and the club face (both loft and face angle) can lead a player right down the path that Hogan trod and you’ve aptly pointed out.
The famous “weakening of the grip” wasn’t to fight a hook, it was to stabilize the club face by putting the face in a biomechanical alignment that’s at the end of the range of motion. Meaning, if we want the club face to be square(ish) to the path into and post impact, the lead wrist position- which is dictated mostly by the grip - must keep the club face square(ish) or else it’s useless.
A “strong grip” - when putting the lead wrist into full flexion into and through the strike - produces a woefully shut face. It’s unusable. So, the golfer then creates a “grey area” in their movement pattern. Sometimes it’s on and timed well, other times not.
If I recall correctly, Hogan said something to the effect of a player needs to “find the left side of the golf club” in Chris Tchetter’s book. I think if it as putting the striking tool in a clamp to do the task. Then we set about limiting the rotation of the face on its sagittal plane - the rolling of the face to square it.
Your channel is awesome. I’d love to collaborate sometime.
Well stated. Thanks. I will get in touch.
Hi Chris. I enjoy your videos; however, John Schlee, who actually learned his grip from Hogan, adamantly says the opposite - that the left thumb (for right handed golfer) should be placed slightly to the right side of the shaft. And I believe Hogan said that he weakened his left hand by moving 1/4 in. (not 1/4 turn) to the left from where he was before on the shaft (which was previously more of a neutral grip). Just curious as to how you reconcile your left hand grip placement with that of Schlee's. Thanks
Fully get it. Watch the coleman video where Hogan is showing his grip, pay attention, and you will see.
I watched the last part of the George Voleman video where Hogan shows his grip. Sure looks like his short left thumb is dead center. The top of the grip on the club looks flat like a grip on a putter.
As always, good stuff.
Thanks
I tried to use that grip description. It makes me tense on my left hand; no swing flow happens because the tension in my hands tenses me all over. I rather use the original finger grip which helps me feel the club head and makes my swing "flowing" I would like your comments! Thank you, Chris,
You have to do what works best for you while getting the results you are looking for. Hogan's swing fundamentals are like building blocks, some of them might do you well and others may not. You just need to see what will work for you consistently.
Chris, in the latter part of this video you said Hogan weakened his grip 1/4 turn. Where did you see that? The Life magazine article quotes Hogan as saying he weakened his left thumb 1/8 to 1/4 inch, which seems to be a lot less than 1/4 turn. Now I want you to know I am not discounting anything you are saying, including the new feel you are talking about, I just wanted to point out a possible info discrepancy and ask where you saw the "1/4 turn" words.
Sorry if it is not in any of the writings. I tied it moving the thumb in the increments you described, however it was not until I felt the 1/4 turn of the entire hand that allowed my correct pressure point in the thumb to get on the left side of the shaft. Hope that helps.
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Just makes sense
Is this still a neutral or strong grip but just moving the thumb?
The left hand is moving into an extremely neutral position. This is what I like to call the Zeroing out the left and right hands. When things are zeroed out correctly is when you can feel both hands working as one unit.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan but what if you slice?
@@maeu59 First check your ball position, make sure it is in line with your left heel. Most people play it to far back never giving the clubface enough time to square up. Next it that is in check, just find a way to grip it that works for you and try to get that lead thumb pressure point on the left side of the grip, if you're right handed. But without seeing your swing I am only guessing at this point as it could be (the slice) happening from other things as well.
Mr Hogan knew how important the grip was as he devoted 19 pages to it in his book.
For me, this is the position I get when I follow Hogan’s rule to close the fingers before you close the thumb.
Awesome.
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For me the key is how chris wraps rather than places his hands on grip,i nicked this from a lydia ko video that wasnt about the grip so dont just clap hand Wrap hands around grip
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I don't understand the the 'butterfly grip' concept. It doesn't seem possible because you're touching your palms together at the same part of the hand, but the right hand is lower than the left on the club. That breaks the butterfly apart.
No, not really.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan Yes, really. It isn't possible to keep the hands totally even if that is what you're saying. The right hand covers the left thumb. That separates the butterfly. I must be getting something wrong.
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A true “Butterfly Grip” is used when you do not want the club to close. You place your left hand on the grip and turn it all the way to the right, and then you put your right hand on an turn it all the way to the left. If you then kept your thumbs on the grip and spread your fingers, you would see a “butterfly”. This a great grip to use out of bunkers and lies in the rough where you do NOT want the club to close or even square up. This is definitely not the grip Mr. Hogan used. For those interested in the true butterfly grip look here th-cam.com/video/NUrRKYdhOL4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=-j8hCK1GgRjSlb0u
Hogan used what is considered an extremely weak grip. Why is that? Because he struggled with a "caddy hook" (AKA, duck hook) for most of his early career. It was the only way he could eliminate it. Did it work for him? Absolutely! Should it be considered a standard...? Hardly! What worked for Hogan, worked for Hogan. I believe the whole point of Hogan was - figure out what works for you. The secret is in the dirt.
Thanks for the comment.
I agree wholeheartedly. However, be willing to honestly try what has worked for others in the past. My father, a PGA teaching pro for over 35 years , old school, and most assuredly a Hogan fan, eventually had to convert to a "strong" grip. He didn't like the thought, just at 88 and a 4 HC, he had to do so to 13:04 continue playing "almost decent" golf. His words, not mine.
Chris, you have helped my game tremendously! Last outing, I hit 10 out of 16 fairways and had 5 GIR, barely missing the greens on the rest of my play. Thank You! Will soon join up with your site.
Absolutely agree with you Jeffrey .
@jeffreybone3445 thanks for the comment, and look forward to seeing you in the MC.
Yeah, whatsyour point… doesn’t mean some of us can’t try it
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Because of a propensity to slice I`m terrified of a weak grip!
Just make sure you ball position is inline with your lead heel to help with the slice.
So this Hogan grip video below is incorrect? Just wondering why the other “Hogan grip” videos don’t mention it.
th-cam.com/video/Ez6Y-fMXWew/w-d-xo.html
When he says Hogan changed his grip and got the thumb on top of the shaft (Five Lessons) just do that and then move the pressure point of the (thumb only!!!) the way I described in the video I did. It is the pressure point of the thumb and where it is placed that will allow you to feel the total control of the left hand. So yes, in my opinion he is wrong.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogani enjoy your videos but as i was reading 5 lessons, i thought he had his thumb on the left side as you stated.
hello chris i have a question. why we never see you striking a ball to show us. i dont get it.
2 reasons. 1 I have mentioned many times. The other is it is my job to teach what is happening. The information I share and the way I am doing it currently has helped and is helping 1000's of golfers all over the world.
I follow your content recently. I am not aware about everything what said or explain before. I was just wondering cause I like to see démonstration too. No offense if you took my comment on a bad way. Not my purpose
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@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHoganchris, as ive already stated, you don't need to hit a ball your knowledge is what ppl want.
this is how speith grips
Cool, didn't know that. Thanks for sharing.
No, I don't think you are crazy. But the good thing is there are a lot who think otherwise😁
Lol.
Hi Chris.
Regarding this video about Mr Hogan grip. I think you are really wrong.
You are referring to the Coleman video and says , look at it and see.
I have been studying Hogan since 1990 and never seen Hogan grip the club as you describe.
There is no moment in the Coleman video that shows that Hogan grips the club so much down the fingers.
And there is not any picture in the five fundamentals book showing what you says is right.
So i am curios how you can be so sure about all that you say regarding Mr Hogans swing is correct.
So far we haven´t seen you make a real golf swing at all, just seen you stand there promising as that all you say is dead right, period.
Why don't you just try it and see what happens. Be honest and don't over do it. Your statement should be you and not we. Anyways I am moving into a new studio in the next couple of weeks and it will satisfy your need to see me hit balls.
People put way too much faith in the Five Lessons Book. Hogan didn't write that book or any of the books.
5 lessons is a great starting point. Golfers need to learn the correct motions, in my opinion.
He had help writing the books but they were his words.
Does you actually ever hit a ball?
What is your handicap?
What is your swing speed?
Who are your best students?
This is all theoretical and interpretation.
Totally over complicated explanation of something very straightforward. Been a Class A for 20 years teaching the SIMPLE Hogan grip. This is for sure not it.
Thanks for your comment.
That must have been good weed when you first came up your theory.
Don't smoke. You should try it before you knock it.
Can't see anything that your doing well done
Sorry you feel that way. A lot of people here would disagree with you, but thanks for your comment.
@@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan try doing some close ups of your hands it may help
Chris, I appreciate your study of Hogan but I’m not too interested about the whys and the what about of the Great Mr. Hogan. Just show me what to do. You were 5 minutes into a 15 minute video before you gave a specific instruction. I have watched about 10 of your videos and yet to see you hit a ball into a net. Can you do that very well or do you just talk a good game? What the heck is Polygon Golf? Again I’ve watched 10 videos and no mention of it. Feels like you are hiding something. I like your manner and soft spoken approach but waiting for you to get to the point is tedious. Sorry this is a bit negative but I hope some of it can help you to make good content. As a life long golfer I love the game and the golf swing but I just want to know the time, not how to make the watch. Best wishes.
Sorry you feel that way. Best wishes.
I subscribed because you have good content, remember, you can't please everyone. Keep the videos comin@NoMoreSecrets.BenHogan
U know Chris Mr Hogan never really told anyone how he swings the golf club. Even what he did put out wasn’t necessarily the truth. He was very private