if posie parker was a massive trans rights campaigner and i agreed with her on everything, that "there is precious little i am ever wrong about" speech would still be a massive red flag
It's not even when you're not presenting in a gendered way! I'm a very feminine presenting cis woman (long hair, makeup, dresses, all that stuff), but a combination of genetics and PCOS has given me features like broad shoulders and large hands, on top of a lot of bodyhair that I spend a lot of time and effort on removing. This alone has caused several TERFS to question my gender. It's frankly insulting that they're policing what womanhood gets to look like.
This took place in the US, but one of my friends got harassed because she wore baggy clothes, didn't have makeup on, and had a chin dimple. That's literally it. Apparently that's "manly" and she was "obviously trans". Transphobes would be almost comically stupid if they weren't so dangerous.
These feminists accuse trans women of making a caricature of femininity but then turn around and judge the appearance of a woman who doesn't present in a feminine manner.
I know a number of trans women (trans guy myself). Most trans women get hassled less than butch lesbians in bathrooms. Because the phobes always think they can clock a trans. What they can "clock" is how feminine a person is presenting and most (not all) trans women make a concerted effort to look quite feminine, often beyond what is even typical for cis women. It's like that bigoted grandpa at the sports ball event who started hassling a little (cis) girl because she had short hair. He's obviously oblivious to what most trans people are doing. A trans girl is far more likely to have long hair. Because gender norms and stereotypes blah blah. The phobes are just dumb and ignorant to the point where they can't even bigot properly.
@@peace-now lot of the alt right tend to be because they HAVE to be. Their ideology relies on fitting the correct archetype in order to achieve their perceived idea of greatness. These archetypes are formed of unchangeable characteristics like race, sex, orientation, etc. Thus supporters start limiting their personalities and lives around those things thus being one dimensional. In the case of Keene, she is one of those women who only feels powerful when lording her perceived biological power over marginalised people (more able to do so by being a white woman, who is a key instrument in maintaining white patriarchal capitalism). A lot of TERFs fear trans women because they worry that they would be more oppressed than they already are - they think that their ability to give birth will spare them from direct patriarchal violence. As long as they get to oppress others, they'll be happy.
The trouble with reality is that while fiction needs to make sense to a reader, reality has no such obligation. Thus, it's way more bonkers than any fiction can be in regard to certain things. I would personally though prefer dealing with singing frogs, dancing trees, and the occasional power mad rogue wizard over whatever this nonsense with ever power gaining hate movements is. As why, they get to do what they do and are also gaining ground in many places around the world while most people sit around and spectate just makes my mind melt from the sheer idiocy of letting this happen due to how much actual suffering it creates. Not to mention how negatively it will impact the lives of everyone in the long run too. This particular problem won't go away without doing something to combat it, and so it's frustrating how many rather stick their heads in the sand rather than understand it's time to get on with it and start doing less, they want an ever bigger mess. In fact, it feels like most folk imagine the time of great human rights battles is somehow long gone and over, rather than it being in one of it's the most prominent rounds right now.
@@grandempressvicky6387 "race and sex are unchangeable" Race is outside of white Breadtube. Racial identity is quite important. But please tell me how males, by virtue of them wearing a skirt and guzzling estrogen, are more oppressed than women. Your ideology is based on the argument feelings trump reality; that nothing is immutable except trans identity, and that you, by virtue of being "the most oppressed people on earth" can do whatever you want. Every complaint you made there 100% applies to you. You are one dimensional people who want a war with TERFs yet DO NOT pick fights with the Nazis you claim TERFs hang around. You do this every time: be it Proud Boys or those in the UK, you pick a fight with women because you know they're easier to cow.
During one of her conspiratorial tirades, Kellie says something to the effect of 'People who support trans issues are everywhere. They're hard to avoid. It's hard to find a space without them.' What amazes me is that, apparently, at no point did it occur to her that this might be because most people disagree with her.
@@wadtony123 Who cares about polling when it comes to Biological Facts? If we poll people, you'll see the majoirty of Humans are religious. You love making your idiotic religion comparison. Does Mass Belief equal Valid Fact? No. No, it doesn't. Neurologists disagree with you. Biologists disagree with you. Sexologists disagree with you. Psychology, Philosophy, and Sociology all disagree with you. You're wrong. You're just another idiot bigot
everyone secretly agrees with her and is too afraid to say it but also somehow so many people disagree with her that she cant go anywhere without seeing them
Doesn't that prove the point of trans people? Ie, that men can intrude in any women space they want, if they want to, and don't have to pretend to be trans for that? ^^'
"Men, I'm gonna need you to start stepping into women's spaces in order to get rid of men in women's spaces. And make sure to bring deadly firepower just to make that space safer." Sure, that makes perfect sense...? xD
@@human78631 Reminds me of that The Simpsons episode where they have a pest problem and we get to gorillas being deployed to wipe out the snakes released to kill the invasive lizards lol
Right? You think if it were such a problem, it would be a bit more self-evident. She's just openly calling for help in manufacturing her pretend crisis. "Now, there's been a lot of litter dropped in the streets recently, so I'm going to need you all to drop a lot of litter in the streets so people see how much there is."
@@human78631it’s extra insane because anyone who thinks about this for two seconds realizes the huge flaw. Like, I’m gonna spell it out, but the fact that spelling it out seems so stupid and obvious really just shows how insane that position is from a “Women’s Right(s?)” organizer. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Let’s assume she gets what she wants, right? Men with guns get to shoot and threaten women in bathrooms. Problem is they know they’re going in to LOOK for trans folks. Since they’re primed to think about trans people as being present, they’d latch onto any non typically feminine person as being trans and shoot them, the likely outcome of this is that way more cis women will get killed than trans women. There are simply WAAAAAY more cis women that might not necessarily fit the beauty standards stereotype than there are trans women. So yeah we’re just out here sacrificing women to use their blood to lubricate trans crushing machine that seems real worth it from a women’s rights perspective don’t it? Congrats! We eliminated trans people! And all it took was this innumerable pile of innocent women murdered by our bathroom hit squads! The ends justifies the means c: Hooray! Really shows you that she isn’t nearly as smart as she claims to be.
I like how Shawn can literally say these women commited crimes, because they are too proud to even deny so instead they say "yeah, I got pregnant with a minor"
That’s just pretty normal for a lot of female sexual predators. You could make a list of famous women who’ve admitted to committing a sex crime casually in interviews and biographies
As an openly bisexual cis guy, I get genuinely confused seeing gay men hop on the anti trans "groomer" narrative, especially since many of them are in their 40s to 50s. They would have lived through the "gay debate" of the 90s-2000s where identical rhetoric of "they want to corrupt our kids" was used. For the younger gay men, like myself, we're at least aware of the history there
Probably because of the legislative movements to seperate parents from their kids and push hormone treatments that sterilize and practice plastic surgery as therapy!
As someone who is half German and half Austrian (there's no joke about my Nazi ancestry you can make that I haven't made myself), I inevitably had to face that the grandparents I adored growing up, were at the very least silent bystanders and it made me wonder, if I would have the courage to stand up to hate and facism. But Jesus Christ, I didn't mean that I wanted to be tested by living in times where it was on the rise again.
I don't really know what any individuals in German towns can really have been expected to do under the Nazi regime. Beside the facts that the true nature of the holocaust and Germany's responsibility for the war were concealed from the public anyone who had the nouse to recognise the danger of the regime they were living under was surrounded by loyal subjects to the Fuhrer. Taking a stand in public would just get you sent straight to a concentration camp which is what happened to thousands of people who did have the courage. Engaging in sabotage of some nature would likely result in a person's execution. It's completely believable and I would say that a normal person would choose to just keep their head down as things gradually ramp up in extremity over those 12 years. Boiled alive slowly as they say.
Mach dich nicht lächerlich mit solchen infantilen Aussagen. Der Vergleich ist eine Beleidigung für alle die tatsächlich unter dem Nazi-Regime gelitten haben. Trottel.
I'm so blown away by the way she uses "transing the children" without a shred of irony. Like I've literally never heard anyone use that phrase if they weren't making fun of these people
lol well not really. The actual numbers of transexuals is very little - or should be - but it is a fad now and increasing by unnatural rates. The numbers of trans activists is also quite high, but they're mostly just the loudest and most violent. More people stand with Posie but don't want to be assaulted and just want to live their lives away from this nonsense.....haven't you seen the large mobs who have physically attacked Posie? The ratio of trans people vs trans activists is unbalanced. That's what she means.
Trans people somehow have overwhelming control of the government and media, but somehow can't enact more than token legal protections for trans people nor can their giant media empire bury fascists like this woman.
The fact that she wants armed men to go into "womens spaces", but simply to bully trans women, shows how little she cares about "protecting women from bad men", all she cares about is "othering", demonizing, and scaring trans people out of society. I know this is just one part of her message, but wow are they incoherent in all levels of their messaging. It always boils down to embracing ignorance, fear, and hate for reactionaries and fascists like Parker.
And what's to stop those armed men in women spaces from doing whatever the hell they want to do. Since ya know most women attacked in bathrooms are done by armed cis men.
Fascists always run on the basis of "fear of the other." This 'other' will always move onto the next once the previous has been eliminated. This woman's anti trans sentiments will be used as a foothold for fascists as they move on their war path towards power.
@@ince55antyup, or even just a cis woman who doesn't deviate at all, but who one of those armed men might have beef with. What she's asking for is a situation where a woman at a bar turns down a guy, and then, when she's using the bathroom later, that guy comes in to harass her for using the wrong restroom as revenge
@@wadtony123 You believe that trans people groom kids just by _existing._ How about you shut up? Oh, and you completely failed to provide a reason why trans women shouldn't have access to women's spaces, beyond "Because I Said So" like any two-bit dictator.
@@wadtony123the youngest person to ever get a sex change (In the United States) was 17 Puberty blockers do not have permanent effects Nobody is being groomed, nobody is being "mutilated", that's poisoning the well with phrasing that immediately frames them as evil, because you are afraid of them, as you are transphobic
"If you are the sort of person who calls people right-wing, white supremacists, you are not in the side of women". A person who hears this sentence and still supports her and her movement has no excuse.
I always crack up when people criticize that sort of thing. If white supremacists exist, it isn’t wrong to call people white supremacists, it’s only wrong to *incorrectly* call people white supremacists. So tell me why I’m incorrect, or piss off. Or tell me white supremacists don’t exist, AND piss off.
She is the pinacle of white privileged feminism. She clearly doesn't give a shit about women of color, Jewish women other wise she wouldn't associate with that disgusting people.
Ah yes, she's so concerned about women's rights and children she will *checks notes* ally herself with movements who are fundamentally harmful to women and children, and annihilate women who question her about it. Flawless logic there, obviously she's wrong about precious little. This is infuriating. Everything about the hate rising in the world is disgusting
It emboldens those who are bigoted but closeted. It grows when they feel comfortable enough and safe enough to act. Hopefully we become stricter towards them.
I really loved the part where she said that armed men should go into women's bathrooms and even girl bathrooms in schools. Surely nothing bad could come of this
It is flawless logic though. What she's doing works for the ACTUAL ends she's trying to accomplish. But she's lying about what the ends are. The logic is fine. It's like saying "HA, you want a better, safer society but you're annihilating all the marginalized people! Illogical! Check mate!" They know what they're doing and it works. The logic is irrelevant
Not half as funny as the lgbtq+ community thinking they're going to ever convince smart reasonable non-bigoted people that the actions of Kevin Spacey, Bryan Singer, Catholic Priests, Isla Bryson, Aiden Hale, Sam Brinton, etc were actually just "cringe" and not objectively bad/possibly illegal behavior.
Did she seriously say "let's send ARMED MEN in women's bathrooms IN SCHOOLS before we let transwomen in, BECAUSE WE ARE AFRAID OF SCARY MEN INVADING OUR SPACES" ????????? holy shit Like I've spent a fair share of my time on earth listening to bigots' mental gymnastics but that is something that is so sick I can't even wrap my head around it
The idea is to guard toilets from trans women because remember, bigots can "always tell". Except they can't always tell so this tactic, if anyone tried it out, would kill a fuckload of people
it's quite easy to understand when you realize it's not (only) about her thinking trans women are men. It's because she believes they're the wrong kind of men. Her focus on gender obscures the reality that she sees trans women as PERVERTS. Trans women are not just men to her, they're inherently perverted, predatory men by nature of their transness. Notice how she claims that being trans is a paraphilia and that the most common accompanying paraphilia is paedophilia. Ignoring the fact that paraphilias do not necessarily equal harmful behaviour and what is and is not a paraphilia is a pretty complicated subject, she equates being trans to deviant sexual behaviour which therefore means trans women--who once again she sees as men--cannot be trusted around "vulnerable" cis women. To put it in simpler terms, this is basically the same as fears around black men assaulting white women. It was not the male part of the equation that bigots saw as the source of danger, but maleness in intersection with blackness. With trans women, it's the perceived maleness in intersection with a specific type queerness. But the right kind of man can be trusted around vulnerable women, you see. The right kind of man will protect the vulnerable women from the evil, predatory, perverted men. In fact, it's necessary that they accompany women everywhere in order to "protect" them. Because there are two types of men. The Good Men who are straight and white and cis and masculine, who have power and respect. And the Bad Men, the Enemy Men, the Other who is a man, they are predators and perverts and rapists, they are coming over the border or sneaking into women's restrooms or sharing a classroom with your daughter! And the Good Men, they are Protectors, that's what Being A Man means when you're a proper one, so these Big Strong Good Men have to take their guns and violence--which they can be trusted with because they're the Good Men and not like those Bad Men whose manly power is always a threat--and must terrorize the Bad Men to fend them off (all for the sake of the vulnerable women, of course). And even if those Bad Men don't seem to be doing anything wrong, they are, because they're lying and sneaky and deceptive therefore all violence done against them is simply preventing the evil they'd no doubt commit if a Good Man wasn't there to stop them. And of course whether or not someone is a Good Man or a Bad Man is readily apparent to anyone with "common sense." The safety of women isn't even really that important here, it's just an excuse; it's about men finding a justification for inflicting violence against other marginalized men. But just the same as the violence against marginalized men being justified by their perceived threat to women, the perceived threat these Bad Men are said to hold against women is further used to justify oppressing and discrimination against women for their own "protection." And as we can see in the video as well as historically, women have a history of using this kind of bigotry to direct male violence at marginalized men as well.
And let's not forget, encourage these armed men to harm women they perceive as not being feminine enough, so they are suspected of being trans. It's really mask off in regards to pretending to care about women's safety.
As a trans person, Shaun being so vehemently pro-Trans and protective of Trans rights is such a validating experience. Truly a must-watch Trans channel
I hope this doesn’t sound bad but in my personal anecdotal experience, I feel like most not very political people aren’t bothered by trans people. Even people who are a bit transphobic (Eg making shitty jokes or not seeing trans people as their gender) will often feel like these people go too far and would rather let people be free to choose for themselves.
@@silverstorm1000 I can assure you that those "non-political" people are political. Everyone is, regardless of how ignorant they claim to be about the system they live in. It's just that people like them, either unknowingly or not, put humanity over ideology, which is I what I encourage people to remember to do. If your ideology wants you to threaten, harm, or even kill innocent people, then your ideology is nothing but an excuse to hate; a thought so obvious that it's disturbing that so many people who claim to be religious or "pro-liberty" almost always fail to come to that conclusion, or at least avoid it with religious or inadvertently fascist rhetoric.
"It's the end of days!" Because of all the fires and floods and pollution and war, right? "No! Because a fraction of a percent of the population identify as trans!" It's sad that she thinks these things, but it's terrifying that _there are people who listen to her._
"There's a small group of people dictating what can go on in our society!" You mean the rich assholes running most governments and corporations, aka the 1%? Who are predominantly old white christian/gentile dudes? "No, the people puppeting them!" Like... the answer to "why can't we have nice things" doesn't require any significant conspiratorial aspects; it's largely happening in plain sight.
I thought the same thing. It's so crazy to live in a bubble where by far the thing that's the most wrong in the world is a couple of people who run around in dresses despite having been born with a penis.
I'm glad i live in south italy. No one gives a shit. They would've mentioned it a bit then and there in the past but now no one gives a fuck. Ever since i've came out as gay no one has ever had a problem with me in my life irl. My friends do joke about it, but when they are serious, they don't care. They're chill.
@@THECONTINENTALMAN In my country (The Netherlands) being gay, lesbian and to a lesser degree being bisexual is much less a dividing thing, but anti-trans rhetoric, and especially the (extreme-)right part of it that comes from the US is gaining ground in my country. People probably feel that they notice that discriminating and openly hating gay people can't be done without facing serious repercussions because society has accepted them a lot more than transpeople. I want to clearly stipulate that while the arguments against transpeople are the exact same once used against the gay movement, the gay movement never had to deal with big technology companies keen on not giving a fuck if they destroy societies in countries, in some cases even if this meant inciting civil war... This is for me the biggest concern, along with people like Kellie-Jay being absolutely mentally deranged and having a platform, and to me, is the perfect example of how mainstream media has a duty to guard their reporting (well to a degree, some of their messaging on anti-trans people has been worryingly biased) against subjective wording of their articles, along with, at a lot of times, being required to be factually accurate: Kellie-Jay would not fit in any main stream media organisation because of how extreme and absolutely deranged she is.
@@Dutch3DMaster Yeah, the influence of american politics on europe is kinda cringe. If you ask me, we should institute an embargo on most of the US, some liberal pockets like urban california are fine though, as well as institute a total travel ban on US Citizens and deport current or former US Citizens. Like, sorry for the people that are suffering, but we didn't send our best there and they got worse and become more of a cancer to civilization by the day.
Something very telling occurred to me upon a rewatch of this: You mentioned how many of the infamous images of the Nazis burning books were them burning books from Hirschfeld’s sexology institute. Nazis burning books has always been a go-to image to illustrate the evil of the Nazis, visual shorthand for “don’t be like these monsters,” but as a shorthand image when it’s evoked it almost always (rather conveniently) overlooks exactly what books were being burned. …I say “conveniently” as I watch the smoking tailspin the Republican Party is currently in here in the US, specifically regarding the recent reactionary push to ban books dealing with LGBTQ+ issues and culture on the grounds that it’s “pornographic,” “sexually explicit,” and/or “sexualizing our kids.” My morbid curiosity can’t help but wonder how conservatives here in the US would react to the knowledge that the Nazis banned and burned books, which they are usually quick to acknowledge is bad, but the books they were banning and burning were about LGBTQ+ issues… which many of them are in favor of banning. I’d like to think they simply don’t know, give them the benefit of the doubt and all that. Admittedly I didn’t know the history of Hirschfeld’s institute or how the Nazis destroyed it until recently and I’m gay, so I imagine many straight cis people, conservative or otherwise, would have even less reason to know about it. Again, the Nazis started somewhere… ignorance is the fascist’s greatest weapon.
Don't worry, they know. They've known. That, or they're stupid. In the US, we *just* went through this whole 'kid corruption' thing, but with Gay people. The same players that lost their whole 'gays are bad' gambit are now pulling the 'transes are bad' gambit in order to win back ground. It is, both hearteningly and dishearteningly, not really anything that motivates anyone. Anti-trans positions aren't winners, but they also don't motivate voters to punish the politicians who push them. It's just another dumb bullshit thing in our ever churning culture war that really only one side cares about. I think part of that is that trans stuff became super normalized in the professional and academic spheres super quickly, thus also quickly creating an air of acceptance among people who interact with those circles. Everyone I know that's under like 50 knows someone who's trans, because the internet has connected so many people across distances and if you've been to college before getting mad about trans people was trendy, you were probably pretty laid back about the whole ordeal. It just makes sense, honestly, and if you're a nerd you've been dealing with gender-bending stuff in your sci-fi, fantasy, and trash manga for a long time now. It wasn't an alien concept, and it's pretty easy to understand and accept. Anti-trans stuff feels, more than a civil rights struggle, like a confusing and exhausting backlash, even though it is a civil rights struggle. Cause honestly a lot of civil rights struggles were very much people from non-shitty places going "wait what the fuck are you doing over there" and then a fight happening as more people noticed naked oppression. Which is why fascism comes so easily to anti-trans assholes: they're fundamentally revanchists rather than conservatives. They're not trying to keep things the same, they're trying to change things for the worse so they can retreat to an imaginary past.
For the most part, I doubt they'd care. They'd say something like, 'Oh, it was bad when they burned the wrong books. But the books we're burning are different! It's actually justified here'. If it were hard to rationalise one's bigotry, there wouldn't be a Republican Party.
Fun fact: Many Neo-Nazis DO mention that they burned several books on sex ed...... But only to say, "See, they were burning the RIGHT books! They were degenerate books, fuck them!"
KJK who is a working class mother of 4 children and who used to be a member of the British Labour Party (a socialist party) is a national and international figure who is known for fighting for the sex based rights of women and has been under constant scrutiny for many years , who happens to live in modern day Britain , which is one of the most tolarent and open nations on the face of the earth. Trying to associate this very concerned mother with some of the most evil people in human history is just a very crude form of character assassination, which appears to be a very poor substitute for an intelligent and coherent argument against some of the criticism against transgenderism. Working class women are notorious for their lack of ability in organising Nazi cells.
@@kathleenpearson-dh9od She quite literally has said more than once she wants trans people to die, which is what exactly the Nazis did to trans people. And many biologists, anthropologists, medical organizations, and historians has presented intelligent and coherent arguments against criticisms of trans people, critics just don't want to listen.
To me it's a sign of the monster that she is, along with the ability of not realizing how much she is not about protecting women when she says this, to me at least, is not hilarious: it unfortunately has real-world consequences because people eat her statements up...
You wanna talk about holding two contradictory ideas in your head at the same time, Posie “the attackers didn’t know their victim was trans so it’s not a hate crime, despite how obviously hideous and easily recognisable all trans women are” Parker can do it in one sentence. I’d be impressed if I were so disgusted.
People willingly believing bullshit to avoid showing compassion is the “end of civilization” Parker is so worried about, and she’s dancing right in the mud.
In the fascist brain, there are no contradictory ideas. The truth is whatever it needs to be to serve the cause. The truth can change, instantly, in every sentence. They do it so much it becomes second-nature, reflexive.
Lol trans people dont all assimilate. Some trans women ate 100% passable while others are men wearing wigs, giant fake tits with cheap makeup smeared on their face….
KJK: I will accept the help of anyone who agrees with my hatred of trans people no matter how awful they are. The most awful groups imaginable, who have shared her views on trans people for longer than she has been alive show up at her rally KJK: Something feels really off about this. I can't imagine why these people would support me or show up.
The fact the Nazis keep appearing at my events has nothing to do with what an awful person I truly am. - KJK Seriously though, every time you hear about a rally of hers you'll find blackshirts pulling security for it. Someone from the Victorian rally had pictures of them getting high fives from police and other signs of acceptance from the cordon that was blocking the counter protest and attendees but they keep trying to claim that they weren't invited and were unwelcome oh kids your organisers could have done plenty to keep them away.
That's probably the least believable thing she's ever said. She is clearly quite happy to have their support, and is only half-heartedly trying to distance herself from them because of the optics, because she knows she'll lose a hell of a lot of supporters if she openly accepts them.
I am a mixed race cis femme lesbian. I've been regularly misgendered since I was a teenager because my face has the audacity not to fit western beauty standards - even got bullied for it. I'm not trying to look masculine(but you shouldn't be threatened if you do, that goes without saying). I can see the incomprehension and disgust in people's eyes when they can't figure out what I am. I've been fearing public restrooms even before the whole trans panic and even before figuring out i was gay just because I looked different. Now, because of people like KJK, it's become worse. I keep being misgendered. If I'm dressed casual, I'm a man. If I wear a dress, I'm, strangely, a trans woman. Now, I know in 99% of the cases, nothing violent will happen to me in public restrooms or in any public spaces, but the 1% is now terrifying me beyond measure. But thank you TERFS for making cis women and lesbians like me feel safe I guess. This is why I stand with trans people and jewish people - and any other oppressed minority. It is VERY easy to be othered and made the target of a group who arbitrarily decided you needed to be erased out of existence, because said group's standards for "what's normal and good" are so narrow that you have more chance to be hurt than being part of said group. Even cishet white women often don't fit the TERF/nazi criterias defining a woman. Anyway. My dear trans friends, we have so much in common and you have made my life brigther time and time again. I'll march with you and protect you until the end. You are loved. Edit: oh hells, thanks for the likes! I want to make clear that my situation as a cis woman is not as terrible that of trans people. I just wanted to highlight how this "protect women" motto is bullshit, because it also ends up hurting people like me. As with everything intersectionality is key and that's why you can't separate gay and trans people, and lbgt people and people of color, because we have a lot of things in common, and above all, sadly, the people who want us dead!
I'm AFAB and although I'm non binary I'm very femme presenting most days and it's crazy to me that the only times I've been stopped from using the womens restroom is when I'm at my most femme. I've never had any gender affirming medical treatment. But because my face is just a little too masculine and my frame a little too square I'm somehow both female and not female enough. Transphobia is a nonsense ideology.
That sucks so much. I haven't encountered people actually misgendering me (so far at least). I have visible facial hair, and I never felt very judged for that, until the TERFs (and other transphobes) started going on and on about the differences between cis women and trans women. I'm a cis woman, and I guess I don't count as a woman according to the TERFs. I can't have kids, I have visible facial hair... It was pretty clear to me that TERFs don't give a rat's arse about women, all their definitions of women exclude me after all. They don't care about all the cis women they hurt in their anti trans bigotry, they only care to hurt trans people, and the collateral damage is unimportant apparently.
And in the end “it’s everyone fault, but my own”. This sort of guilt tripping is so synonymous with humans who are so entitled and privileged, no matter the circumstances they want to bring up to ‘prove’ how they could never be privileged or entitled… Learn to understand what *social standards* are, and why you think you are entitled for everyone to destroy their own foundations, and build those in your honor! We do not need to abide your absurdist ideals that go against basic logic, as well proper biology! Even your standards of beauty are beyond envy and spite that you some how feel ENTITLED to change the very fabric beauty so instead of it naturally coming to people on what they think is ‘beautiful’, instead it’s done so out of fear, groupthink, or politics!
It amazes me…truly that a hypocrite like yourself thinks they are truly coming with good faith…Do you not see the irony of your words as you simultaneously chastise another group you wish to see eliminated from this earth? Those “cishet white woman” seem to be just as entitled as to their beliefs as you do, yet somehow you get to advocate for their destruction because they refused to accept what you think you narcissistically deserve?! That everyone *must* accept your reality, or we’re basically on par with the “Nazis” and those evil pale people. Ironic again that you simply target white people (no doubt a symptom of your own bigoted racism), when most heterosexual people will agree with those “nazis”, regardless of creed or race. You also once again use the word “TERF” which targets another group you wish to see gone, yet don’t comprehend that you are committing the same atrocities as those you chastise….Hypocrisy must certainly not exist in your vocabulary. All of the worlds consequences are because of your own ridiculous actions! You chose to let science morph you into something that go against nature! You somehow believed your brain was different, when countless times your side has insisted that male and female brains are the same, and that stereotypes that differentiate sex are sexist. So what exactly are changing to? Nothing given your sides logic.
In the real world that we live in, it can be easly observed that KJK is a working class mum of 4 children who became involved in the women's movement because of her experience at a women's section of the British Labour Party (a socialist party) which she was a member of. I suspect what you are observing ,at least in part, is her very combataive language which is a product of her natural speech pattern, which middle class people might find unfamiliar and possibly might offend some people's sensibilities. Some times if you try hard enought you will find what ever you want to find.
The openly admitting to saying they're a fascist, and then say it's a joke when someone points it out is the weirdest thing. Especially because people fall for it.
"Did I mention we’d spent the whole century before 2016 telling everyone who could paste two words together to make a feeling that only STEM mattered, only STEM had any value as a field of study, and anyone who did anything but STEM were wastes of flesh, money, oxygen, and the flickering, mysterious spark of ever-escaping life that animated them? And at the same time we spent the about 20 years before that going all in on “ironic detachment” and “fluent in sarcasm” until every word out of the mouth of anyone even tangentially cool meant the exact opposite of the actual words they were using? HM WHAT COULD THE INEVITABLE RESULT OF THAT POSSIBLY BE? Could it be…a generation and a half having a real struggletime with basic history, critical thinking, analysis, recognizing rhetorical fuckery, and the goddamned concept of objective reality? And also a subset of that generation who wasn’t any good at STEM but were good at all that other stuff and desperately hungered for some kind of validation?" -Catherynne M. Valente, "Take My Life, Please: The Media's Will They/Won't They Love Affair with American Fascism Prepares For Its Terrible Wedding Night", 2024-02-16
This is called "Schrodinger's Douchebag" - The offensive asshole is just joking when someone takes offense, and genuinely serious when someone agrees with them.
KJK focusing on the "horrificness" of being sterile -- either saying she want to protect young trans men from being sterilized or advocating for forced sterilization as a punishment for people she doesn't like -- is giving me flashbacks to my early 20s. When I was 17, I was diagnosed with cancer and went through chemotherapy as part of my treatment. There we certain people who would look me in the face and tell me I should've just let the cancer kill me rather then agree to a treatment that would sterilize me. It seems ridiculous, but there are people who are so obsessed by the mere idea of women's fertility that they would wish a cancer survivor dead to their face for being a cancer survivor. It's no wonder KJK doesn't care if if abortion rights are lost. She truly believes that women are breeding machines and should drop dead after go they through menopause because they are "useless" after that point. The fact that anyone could think this woman cares about women's rights or is a feminist is beyond absurd.
Fr!! And it’s the assumption too that trans men are incapable of making that choice for themselves. As if they’re just “delusional women”. Not everyone aspires to have children and personally as an acearo trans masc I hope to adopt one day. Which is always an overlooked, needed and incredibly valid option these crowds overlook. It’s horrifying how people would rather have Afab trans people live repressing their identities just for the possibility of them having biological children.
My mom had to have her uterus removed after giving birth to me and got much of the same from her husband's Catholic family for it. Meanwhile my sister who kept a biblically *fucked* set of reproductive organs and has risked her life to have a kid three times now is so horrible at being a mother that she will scream me down for talking to her son instead of physically dragging him around during a meltdown. She only had a child to validate herself as a woman, but *I'm* the demographic that's grooming kids.
Sadly, it only looks bad to us. To their target audience, it looks like they're a heroic rebel fighting against the corrupt system or whatever the fuck.
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter nah, when there's neo-nazis coming to your rally that looks really bad to the moderates, which is what really matters most here
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter Moderates who don’t have opinions on the subject certainly won’t be too kind to the people allying themselves with literal Neo-Nazis lol Optics is everything
@@Ann-mj4xn I'll never forget the cope where transphobes went on Fox to defend nazis turning up at their rally and were saying "even the nazis agree with us" As if their movement isn't inherently fascistic, but is just so common sense that nazis have to agree with them. Hilariously stupid response. Weird how non-fascists don't turn up tho.... 🤔
As a Jew, I really do want to thank you for bringing up the connections between transphobia and antisemitism. The two bigotries are intrinsically linked, and it’s important for marginalized communities of all kinds to stand together in fighting bigotry everywhere. Also as a Jew, I am so goddamn tired of conspiracy theories and bigotries boiling down to what I’ll term “protocols of the elders of Zion on ice”. It’s not only abhorrent, terrifying, and reprehensible - it’s also just boring at this point. The least bigots and conspiracy theorists could do is come up with something original rather than just endlessly remixing the work of a bunch of long dead antisemitic tsarists.
@@wadtony123 Yes, a lot of stereotypes against trans people were copied-and-pasted from antisemitism, Waddington. I'm sorry that reality offends you. Actually, I'm sorry that it _only_ offends you - personally, I think that it should do much worse.
@@wadtony123 Of COURSE you pretend that homophobia and antisemitism don't exist in predominantly-white countries, just because gay and Jewish people are predominantly white. Nope, "trans women are women" refers to gender identity, not biological sex. Of you are too stupid to understand the difference between self-identification and real chromosomes, that's YOUR problem. And we already determined that trans women do not lie about their own biology. I mean, think about it: if you were right, and trans women wanted to be treated as people with XX chromosomes and a vagina despite not having those things, _why are there biological requirements that trans women must pass in order to access women's spaces? Biologocal requirements that were imposed_ *_by trans women???_*
trans person here, found out this year my mum is a watcher of parker's streams and content. tried to warn her about how she's cozying up to fascists and stuff but she isn't having any of it. parker's ideologies must feel like the validation of my mother's anti-trans views and how i'm trying to convince her "2+2 is 5" in her words. sincerely thank you shaun, this video makes me feel like i'm not going crazy.
might be worthwhile to share this video (or one like it) with her. doubtful she'd listen, but having sources lined up like this are often hard to refute when directly confronted, assuming she isn't the 'deny deny deny' type.
I know this might be bleak but if it really doesn't work anymore cutting off the contact is an option. I had to do it with my parents. Was very hard being completely on your own but overall it was a good thing for my life
One of the fascists running for the Republican presidential nomination said he quit working on the cure for cancer because the place was too woke for him. Sadly, I could see Trump picking this guy as his VP.
@@MaryamofShomal, the right complains about cancel culture, but that guy cancelled the entire company 😅 Where can I find this? I want to laugh at this guy a bit.
Oh my god I knew the name was familiar. She turned up in New Zealand a couple months ago and made the mistake of peddling her hateful shit in public places. Well, we weren't going to let that opportunity go to waste now were we? The protests were INSANE. The woman got doused with juice, drowned out, quit her Auckland event and cancelled her Wellington event. I think I was more proud of my country in that moment than any other. We don't care who you are, we don't care what your status is. If you play stupid games we'll give you stupid prizes.
Despite cancelling the Wellington event, the planned counter protest still had over 4000+ people attend according to the organizer's estimates as well.
I can't get over how special KJK thinks she is that she thinks she's the only one who's right. The children are indoctrinated, "their parents are indoctrinated, their schools are indoctrinated, the doctors are indoctrinated". Basically everyone who disagrees with her is indoctrinated. She really thinks she's one of the smartest person in the world that only she and a select few can "see the truth" and everyone else is wrong.
And yet, at the same time, she claims that the vast majority of people agrees with her, amd are just "too scared of the TransAgenda (tm) to speak out".
Pennycook, Gordon, et al. “Overconfidently Conspiratorial: Conspiracy Believers Are Dispositionally Overconfident and Massively Overestimate How Much Others Agree with Them.” PsyArXiv, 5 Dec. 2022. Web.
Yeah I mean, it couldn't possibly be that she's just wrong about trans people. It has to be that all the medical institutions that support trans healthcare procedures, doctors, biologists, and basically anyone who's pro-trans are all indoctrinated and controlled by an evil group of trans-elites. Far more simple explanation.
What's so ludicrous about that, I've heard some anti-trans idiots claiming she's some kind of hero to working class women...I mean what? I swear, these people have a nerve saying that it's trans people who live in a fantasy land.
I've seen her house (she lives not far from me), she's not working class for shit. Private driveway and everything. Working class people also generally don't have a dedicated private hate cave in their house to fill with tat when they film their disgusting rants on 4K cameras while bathed in fancy lighting and wearing expensive make-up.
This week, after many, many years of hiding it, I came out to my family. As a trans woman in the UK, I am scared for my future. I just wanted to thank you for fighting so hard on behalf of myself and countless others in this country. Your cool-headed rationalism and meticulous research speak far louder than any fascist with a megaphone. You're an inspiration. Keep up the good work.
@@Fleshdeficiency I intend to flee this hellhole as soon as I am able to obtain a passport with my correct gender on it. Not a huge fan of existing in a country led by a man who routinely legislates against my human rights.
Things are really bad for trans people here in the US, too. I'm cis, but I'm keeping my ear to the ground on this anti-trans stuff. The Nazis started their campaign of terror with targeting LGBTQ people prior to World War II. Republicans in the US are increasingly starting to resemble said Nazis prior to World War II. Hence my deep concern. I'm not familiar with your politics, but I imagine the situation is similar across the pond, because I know you have more than your share of horrible conservatives in your government same as us. I see what's happening, and I won't be silent about it. Just wanted you to know there are people outside of your community (besides Shaun of course) who will advocate for you.
It's a good sign of society that people are still shameful about embracing fascism/racism when they would otherwise throw themselves in headfirst. We've been resting on that for the last few decades though, and it's been wearing away
"I don't support them, but I'm totally happy to welcome them at my events, I'd be glad to work with them because I'll work with anyone and I encourage them to break into women's bathrooms, ARMED." Very believable.
I find it fascinating how this video is a whopping 2 hours long and mentions n@zis twice... It literally says it in the title??? Image watching a 2 hour video on forest fires and the uploader mentions it for about 5 min... Same with "super cars" 2 hour videos but mentions ferraris and lamborghinis a few times...
My mum recently became a terf and this is the first time I’ve been able to put a name to the face I keep seeing on her iPad. Everything you say is Kellie’s beliefs are verbatim what my mum says. Real sad shit, especially since 2/3 of her kids are queer.
@@Astra7525 The irony of them calling us trans folk sheep. Literally, yet to meet a group of trans folk that are as similar to each other as TERFs are to ther TERFs.
Just a het, cis man here, but I just wanted to say that I think your rigorous defence of trans folk and methodical demolition of transphobes is just wonderful. I wish you did more videos, but if fairly infrequent uploads is the price we pay to get a near two hour long video like this, which must take an incredible amount if work, then it's all good with me.
@bgirlpamsolo just to add a little bit more: cis is Latin for _same_ side, specifically. A famous ancient example would be the Romans saying cis-Alpine and trans-Apline to denote lands "on our side of the Alpines" or "across the Alpines from us," respectively. One transits, transplants, or transitions from one place/side to another. Not just travel in general; the root meaning is all about _crossing a divide._ Could be a mountain, a continent, a river, or a gender. Sorry to go on for so long but I wanted to give some examples of how cis is an ordinary classical Latin word with an ordinary functional meaning, to combat the propaganda that it's a new word "invented by PC warriors to slur normal people" as one often hears.
@@suzboneWell y'know, if they complain, we could always just offer to use the greek prefix instead and call them "homogender". Surely they wouldn't have a problem with that, right?
her talking about the "elite, sinister group of people in power" is so eerily close to a nazi's description of jewish people and its absolutely mortifying as a jewish trans person
@@pr0ntab They aren't "filling in the gaps". Well, not like that. She *deliberately* left those gaps to be filled in with precisely what they fill them in with. She knows what she's doing. She is getting precisely what she means to.
The fact there's a lot of blatant antisemitism coming from the UK GCs is no accident either. Bigots don't tend to be single issue bigots, they just focus on one at a time to erode support for their targets and so make us easier to pick off one by one as our mutual supports dissolve.
@@GeneralBolas Not just gaps, her tirades are _full_ of anti-Semitic conspiracy theory dogwhistles. While Shaun didn't really dig into it, the "sterilization" rhetoric she uses is also an anti-Semitic dogwhistle, originating from the Great Replacement conspiracy theory.
Keeping drag queens away from kids isn't a Nazi talking point, though. You can still support rights for no heteronormative people while keeping burlesque performers away from kids. And before you ask, yes, I also believe that kids don't belong in Hooters either.
@@linagreenlyfe6705 1. to fascists, “normal” trans people dressing how they want and crossdressers/drag queens/kings are the same thing. for more information on this overlap I recommend researching the first trans clinic, magnus hirschfeld’s institute for sexual research, and how it was one of the first nazi targets 2. drag and burlesque, while often overlapping, are two different artforms. drag isn’t inherently sexual (and it doesn’t even require dressing up as a different gender) - all it is is a performance of something mundane heightened to a comedic level. sure, the mundane thing is often sexuality, but it can be literally anything. you could do a 100% sfw drag routine about grocery shopping if you elevated the concept enough I understand the misconception that all drag is burlesque (and as a performer of both I definitely get it! there’s a lot of crossover), but the reality is a lot more complicated. I understand the worry of exposing kids to adult spaces too, but the truth is adult spaces will keep children out on their own (they’ll keep adults out too! I can’t perform at/visit half the drag venues I know of because I’m not of drinking age) and when it comes to the internet, what your kid has access to is your business, not ours. if anything, queer adult spaces are MUCH stricter with these rules than say, hooters, because we’re under ten times as much scrutiny. trust me, with the world already presuming that queer/trans people are groomers (another nazi talking point, who would’ve guessed) we‘re trying to provide as little ammunition to that crowd as possible
the KJK apologists still commenting things like "she just wants to protect women" and "she's never said anything hateful" under this specific video where they are *directly proven to be lying* are giving me a headache
The core issue is that they just don’t think it’s hate. When KJK spews her bile, all they hear is “hard truths.” They genuinely think transphobia is good for society, and it’s really hard to reason with someone who fundamentally believes that the harm they’re causing is actually saving lives
@@GloomdrakeI think you are almost correct, but I think you misunderstand a bit their reasons for saying these things. The cruelty is the point. All the talk about saving lives, protecting women, and being good for society are external justifications. They are only using them to justify their actions to other people. Internally though? They act like this because they enjoy the cruelty of it, and they enjoy it because it gives them power.
Things I love about this video: Conscientious research and strong writing A genuine display of allyship Ripping apart Neo Nazis and transphobed A British person using the word 'cheeky'
There is probably more serial kilers in Britain than genuine Neo-Nazis in one of the most open and tolerent nations on the face of the earth. Iam not awear that there is anything to rip apart concerning Nazis. This has absolutely nothing to do with fighting against the erosion and violation of women's sex based rights. Constantly and deliberately juxtapositioning the women's movement with the word Nazi on the most ridiculous and lamest and vaguest pretext is an appalling act of dishonesty. You are knowningly attempting to associste ordinary innocent working class women with some of the most evil people in human history. This is just grossly immoral character assassination in order to silence the voice of women who believe their sex based rights are being erased by men pretending to be women and claiming the sex based rights of women. You fetish with nazism is no substitute for an intelligent, coherent and civil argument addressing the real issue concerning the dismantling of women's rights by a harmful nihistic ideology being propogated from the politically capture academia and the social sciences. You rely on character assassination to hide the fact that transgenderism can not and will not survive close examination of any kind.
Kellie-Jay Keen's response as to why so many Nazis attended her event is comedy gold, it was basically: "Those weren't MY Nazis! Someone must have misplaced them..."
I'm a trans man who started transitioning when my kids were 5 and 2 years old. I have no idea how that is in any way child abuse. They went from having a depressed and suicide-ideating parent to a parent who is happy and takes them to trampoline parks. My relationship with my husband got better, our entire family dynamic got better. Almost like we're a family and we love and care about each other.
in my personal experience, kids are the least bothered or confused by people transitioning - even close family members, as you know firsthand @austinluther5825 ❤
@@suzbone Yeah really kids will just like switch pronouns pretty easily too, they are not bothered by it, just saying its who I really am or I'm being my true self or it just is what makes me happy & most kids if not raised by bigots seem to not care.
No one in the comments is talking about how wild it is that she calls herself working class but then makes fun of the poor. The hypocrisy is deep. What a hateful, hateful, woman. Thanks Shaun for what you do- these people need to be called out.
Omg yes I noticed that. People love the “aesthetic” of the working class but are also gladly willing to make life for actual working class people harder than it has to be
It's so telling that she does the "anyone who's less feminine than me is gross but anyone who's more feminine than me is a tryhard" thing. Definitely no internalized misogyny going on there.
@@wadtony123No, she actually did say what the comment suggests, and you've just presented a deflection from that. I'm sure you'll say how "it's not important" or something.
@@wadtony123Um, yeah. What, you don't understand English now? I mean, probably, seeing as you still can't differentiate between gender and sex no matter how much you've been told.
@wadtony123 You're a nobody. No one cares what you believe just as you don't care about religions. Stop being a narcissist. But you're so close. Gender is a cultural construct, true. That's part of what validates Trans People. Plus ghe over 300 studies that prove the Biological Validity of Trans People. It's not a mental illness, nor a fad. They're real people, and you're just being a bigot.
nothing more comical than hearing her saying stuff like 'I don't disavow anybody!!' when referring to neo-nazis while her whole thing is wishing for the eradication of a harmless group she just personally doesn't like. lmao
Hell they had police and security pushing and dragging away more than one counter protest on the days here in Australia, including a first nations senator at one. I don't always agree with Lidia Thorpe politically, but to hear them claim free speech while opposing the speech of a cis Aboriginal woman is... I don't think hypocritical is a strong enough word for it.
@@cericat These people are salivating at the precedent of getting to call cis women of colour men. Today a human rights court ruled that Caster Semanya, a cis, black intersex woman and athlete, was treated unfairly when she was denied the right to compete in 2019. In response TERF groups have been openly calling Semanya a man (as well as "wrong" and "diseased"), ridiculing her appearance with racist smears, and insisting she "fathered" her children with her wife. The broadening of the attack on trans people to women of colour isn't collateral damage, it's an intended product of their ideology and it makes me sick.
Whenever I see cis women on Twitter standing up against these anti-trans accounts, they get shouted down and called "handmaid" and other derogatory things. The hypocrisy of it all. And I'm still not sure how they read/watched the Handmaid's Tale and came away with the impression the Handmaids are the bad guys...
She means, "Let all _true_ women speak!" You see, no _true_ woman would disagree with her. (Sarcasm, by the way, referring to the "true Scotsman" fallacy.)
I am somewhat curious about her relationship with her children and husband. Caelan Conrad has spent months in private Gender Critical Facebook groups and has hundreds of screenshots of GCs complaining about losing friends and family members over their increasingly disturbing obsession with trans people (well, they call it "commitment" but you know). It seems the way transphobia completely consumes GCs lives makes them unpleasant to be with even for people who aren't trans-affirming themselves. Transphobic livestreams are KJKs dayjob, like Shaun said, and she runs her own merch store on top of that, it must take up a massive chunk of her time. Not to mention her frequent "tours". I wonder what her family thinks of all that.
The fact that we don't see her pulling them in, trad-wife style, indicates to me that they might not be too happy / on-board with her personal fashy crusade.
Something I have observed is that, once someone gets a taste of the GC rush, it slowly but surely becomes the only thing they talk about, especially online. I can't remember her name but I remember going on a random anti-trans journalist's Twitter and counting how many of the first 20 tweets were related to trans people. It was 15-17! I thought about how it would seem if someone pulled the reverse on me, and counted how much I complained about anti-trans people in the most recent 20 tweets I've published, and I would like to think it would only be about 5-8 at the most. Even though I'm passionate about trans rights, there's only so much I can focus on the opposition at any given time before it's just too much. Then there are people like Graham Linekin, and maybe to a lesser extent Ricky Gervais (since he's always been...outspoken), who used to create and write shows about lots of different things that they were interested in, but since their obsession with trans people began, their creative output has significantly dropped. It seems as though Graham mostly dedicates his time to writing articles whining about trans people existing. Don't really know what Gervais does nowadays, but from the sound of it his hatred of trans people is worming its way into more of his stand up stuff. It would almost be sad, if they weren't vile people.
@@goingunder2548 The other day I impulsively decided to tally up how many tweets JK Rowling made or retweeted in one week. I counted 60 within a 5 day period and gave up. Out of those, maybe 2 or 3 *weren't* related to trans hate. Some days were fuller tham others, but she averaged 12 tweets/shares per day and I just think: what else does she actually have in her life? I can't imagine being actively online for that long over the same topic day in day out, does she even have normal conversations anymore irl? It really is sad (or would be if she weren't so commited to hate)
I know this was a year ago, but something interesting happened related to this. A woman who was pretty much KJK's social media manager quit and left her because she kept refusing to credit her, never appreciated her work, and frequently bad-mouthed young people (she was in her early 20s which is why she was tech savvy enough to help this boomer with her hate campaign) at her rallies and in her videos. As transphobic as she was (her husband is a Kiwi Farms user), she was genuinely upset that KJK was so ungrateful and unappreciative of everything she'd done for her and left. KJK is such an unpleasant person to be around, she can't even keep her most transphobic and most ardent supporters around. It's like she treats anyone and anything purely as a tool to be used for her agenda.
One of the things TH-camrs do that I hate the most is when they go "there are many things I could say about this matter but I won't because the video would be too long", and it's truly always such a pleasure hear Shawn say "there are many things I could say, and I am going to".
@@agooseinpeopleclothes, I'm hoping you've discovered The Leftist Cooks then. Their "What's the deal with all these weird right wing identities" is not super long, but it's one of my favorite video essays.
As a Trans Jew, the merging of these groups is both so unsurprising and so terrifying. Edit: thank you to everyone who has been validating Trans identities in this comment thread.
I feel like such a moron, because I read this and my brain was genuinely baffled as to why you would say 'trans jew' and not 'jewish convert' 😅 I need my coffee before I log on lol
Yeah, that's basically what the Right wants by banning all those stuff. Things gets way more evil when you consider they don't care about what happens to the baby after they're born or whether or not the kid survives the experience of childbirth.
That also forces children with medical conditions to go without needed medicine. I need my birth control, for example, or my endometriosis causes me so much pain I can't get out of bed. Not saying this is any more or less an issue, just adding it to the awful pile
Kids shouldn't need those things in a perfect world. I understand your point but you should be more accurate with your language because this comment can be easily misinterpreted by bad faith idiots
Prior to my coming out nonbinary at 25, I was cornered in the women's restroom at 15 because I looked like a guy. I was wearing a baggy hoodie and jeans and my hair was short. It was terrifying. So yea, attacking people in the restroom because you "think they're trans" is fucked up.
@@wadtony123 And now you are advocating against looking androgynous. Man, literally every comment you write demonstrates that you're basically a Christian anti-feminist.
@@wadtony123 More lies and/or total ignorance as usual I see. The initialism LGBT has been around since the late 80's, and been widely used since the early 90's. And trans women were actually part of the original Stonewall uprising, so the T have literally always been a part of Stonewall. The massive surge in transphobia in the UK during recent years seemed to be triggered when the Tories (Oh the irony!) under Theresa May wanted to streamline the process of obtaining a GRC.
@@wadtony123 "After gay marriage had been achieved" Oh man, my guess was right: *Of course* you were going to say that it was only after gay marriage had been legalized that the TrAnSgEnDeR IdEoLoGy became a problem. Curiously exactly the moment when public sentiment turned towards gay acceptance and the right-wing christian fundamentalists "Gay Scare" became a losing proposition, that's when it became a problem for you. The moment when they desperately needed a new boogeyman and just filed off the serial numbers on the The Gay Scare for their new Trans Scare campaign, *that's* when you started to have VaLiD cOnCeRnS!!11 regarding the Trans Question. Gimme a break, Tony. Who buys this bullshit? It is so nakely transparent that they are just running the same Fear-campaign, but with the labels switched to say "Transes" this time around. The added benefit is of course that they can now recruit useful-idiot Ls and Gs for their hate-movement to drive a wedge into the LGBTQ-movement, despite their ideology explicitly designating them (Gays and Lesbians) for extermination as well. It's the same playbook that white supremacy has always used to protects its power (see: Irish immigrants in the US "becoming" White to prevent solidarity with Black people).
I think the part about historical Nazis persecuting LGBTQ activists and supressing/destroying gender research should be its own video, it's very important to understanding current events and might be lost in the larger context of KJs personality, views and connections
It’s such a heart breaking episode, and definitely needs more visibility. We could be so much further on in our understanding and science if the life’s work of those researchers was not desecrated.
It’s sad when you consider that Germany (especially Berlin) was such a progressive, liberated place during the Weimar years and was ahead of its time both culturally and scientifically…then only to fall to Hitler and the Nazis with only 33% of the vote. People seemed to have forgotten how quickly fascism can destroy an entire continent.
@@MaryamofShomal And then to remember that there's now fascists in the US trying the first step of burning books by at least first banning them after government control to check the content of these books to prevent any "controversial content" from reaching minors, and people not realizing what part of history basically had the predecessor to this and why that should cause massive protests. After the January 6th coup-attempt, when I hear people who make the remark (in discussions about my concerns about governments wanting to gather increasing amounts of data about their citizens for no good reason and I say that I am concerned what could happen with all that data when there's a rapid shift in government power) that "A country doesn't suddenly loose control over itself" I tend to now say "It took "the best country in the world" less than 4 years..."
As a trans guy, thanks so much for your unrelenting, detailed, and unequivocal defense of trans people. It's so disheartening to see so many cis liberals and even leftists more than willing to throw trans people onto the fire in order to support more "important" issues. I loved your very explicit connections between transphobia and other forms of bigotry. Because they _are_ all linked. The queer community has been talking, yelling, and even pleading with people to take our cause seriously. Not just for our own sake but because it's the lynch pin of accelerating human rights losses across the board. Everyone was so horrified at the fall of Roe v Wade. I'm not saying that a stronger stance on trans rights would have changed that. But if 4 years ago when the acceleration of anti-trans legislation started to kick in people had taken action, reproductive rights in many states would be in better situations. Because right wing legislators would either have lost their positions or be afraid to go after women's rights due to the obvious consequences faced when they went after trans rights. But liberals did little to nothing when it was the rights of a tiny and highly otherized group. And then lamented how they lost on Roe, are losing on labour, and losing on racial equality.
Liberals are unable and unwilling to construct a coherent historical narrative in their heads. Every event must be totally atomized and considered without context. A willing, pernicious, malignant ignorance. Otherwise they would have to confront their complicity and collaboration in the all-sorts of evils that under gird their life and position in society. And that would really harsh the vibe, man.
You're absolutely right. I've been working to make some family members understand how serious we need to take these extremists. There's no question what they want, and we must stand against their hate. On a different point, I have seen their threat framed as an attack on "body autonomy," a perspective which includes individual rights, self-determination, healthcare and privacy. For me gaining knowledge and perspective is helping me be a better advocate.
It's not about trans issues not being "important." They're critically important. It's just insanity to support an anti-woman, anti-science, anti-gay, anti-reality, anti-reason hate cult that sterilises children for being gay and/or autistic, and uses violence as a core tactic to silence critics.
@@erinmcdonald7781 I'm close to a bodily autonomy absolutist. I even support the rights of anti-vaxxers. Don't get me wrong, I disagree 100% with anti-vaxxers, think it's highly dangerous, and that consequences are absolutely reasonable. But I don't believe anyone should be mandated to or proscribed from doing almost anything to their body as an informed adult. In many ways I think it's the strongest argument for trans rights. But I don't think it's the most persuasive. Excluding truly hateful bigots and religious extremists, a more humanist approach I believe is more effective. I honestly use my own existence as my argument. I come out as a trans guy to ... everyone. And break the stereotype (widely untrue) of an overly sensitive, aggressive, extremist trans activist. And when I get comments like, "Wow. You are so chill. I thought trans people were all intense all the time," I grit my teeth, smile, and say, "Well that stereotype isn't very accurate. Let me know if you ever meet a trans person like that. I've never met one and I bet they'd be interesting." (Cue forced chuckle.) And yes, I have my moments of bitterness over it. But most times it's better, more effective to be politic than vehemently corrective. That's what we need cis allies for!
@@CorwinFoundagree to disagree about the vaccines. Mandated vaccines are sometimes necessary to slow down or even stop the spread of diseases. How else do you think we basically managed to eradicate polio? Or smallpox? It certainly wasn’t by just not vaccinating someone when they didn’t want to be.
Never apologising is I think one of the underlying psychological draws of fascism. The amount of fash I've seen saying they'll never apologise for anything is nuts. Without fail when I've seen someone say that they've turned out to have horrid views
If your followers are unshakably convinced of the righteousness of the cause, they are willing to commit the most horrible crimes in its name. It's *instrumental* for projects like the Holocaust to be possible. edit: oh boy, I seem to attracted a reply-guy... begone pest.
It is both something they avoid, and something they avoid tactically. Admittance of wrongdoing is counterproductive and dangerous to an ideology of feelings-driven hierarchical bullying and cowardice. Truth is not a value worth pursuing, it is a just a term used for convenience and in complete contradiction. There are no values at the bottom of absolute hatred.
Remember kids, if your event has nazis in it and they ARENT being mauled by every single person there the minute they walk in, you're holding a nazi rally!
They were obviously theaspians as real Naz@is do not really exist. I wonder who hired this traveling troup. I strongly suspect they were from some radical NGO . Spoting a Naz@i is as rare as stoping big foot and just as real.
Twitter bot: "You deserve to be tweeted with care and understanding. I care about you." her: "wow you're so edgy" Empathy is officially edgy now guys, we did it
KJK, Matt Walsh, Trump, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Joanne KKK Rowling, etc.... all conservatives have zero empathy for anyone other than themselves. They can only change their mind about social issues if the bigotry happens TO THEM but when it happens to innocent people they don't give a single shit.
Hey, I’m sorry but as a trans woman, I’m having trouble watching this video, I know it is very important, interesting and alarming, but it is a quite difficult for me to watch people debate if I should exist or anything. I still want to support you tho so that’s what the comment is for :) Any way, see you later, dudes, gals and non-binary pals.
I am a cis woman and it was very difficult even for me so I can't even begin to imagine how it would have been for you. Take care of yourself and sit this one out ❤️
I can't imagine how difficult it must be for you but understand why you'd not be able to watch it. I watched the whole thing and I would only want you to know that it is an incredibly powerful video that can only do good. It has given me a ton of knowledge and is watertight in its message. The final segment is chilling but the way Sean uses it to plea to cis people to be vigilant is masterfully done. I hope this reaches many people who might need it.
She's literally willing to throw all of her own rights out the window--her bodily autonomy, her equal standing in society, and even privacy in the bathroom all because she decided she likes her 3-word definition of "woman" so much. She thinks being called a woman and trans women not being called women is so important, I don't doubt she'd let any/all women hang to protect it. It's truly unhinged to the point that I can understand why other hateful people are like, "Oh, her? No, no, no! She's nuts!" while actively waving swastika flags.
My family lost some acquaintances (a kind, friendly white couple) because the wife is a single-issue voter (at least that's what she said) and supported Orange Foolius as a result, and that was regarding ab/rtion. This is a nurse and doctor couple, btw.
She's literally the imaginary woman from Abigail Thorne's video on the death penalty: "I'm imagining some dark British future where the death penalty is brought back, and a transphobe is upset that she has to share a scaffold with me." That's her. That's Kellie-Jay.
It's because it's almost guaranteed that she will never feel the consequences of the horrors if she would succeed. Worst case she uses her wealth to escape any country she helps destroy. Even if she can't, the wealthy tend to be shielded from the worst, enough money creates an exception for every law.
It's not even a "definition" of the word woman, female just means the same thing as woman. It's literally a synonym. The hateful conservatives think they're soo smart with their "definition" but they're just using circular reasoning to try to justify their bigotry.
Yea. Tried to get expain this to my sister. Didn't get through to her. :( Meanwhile people I like might get hurt or killed if anti-trans hatred continues to proliferate.
The "zombie rules" thing is also a really good description of US culture during the AIDS panic. Everyone is a potential victim, until the moment they are victimized at which point they become a predator
Doesn't hurt that being far-right has been shown in studies to correlate with having a higher disgust response. It's why the concept of it being a social "contagion" is so appealing; it strokes that deep, gut feeling of revulsion.
Sometimes I think to myself that I don’t ever want to meet Shaun in real life, just because I don’t want to deal with the possibility of him not being a talking skull with sunglasses taped on, slim as that chance may be.
Something ive seen from lurking in terf spaces is that theyre all very aware of the violence trans people are met with, they celebrate it and even ridicule and shame other terfs who say that they shouldnt wish death on trans people. Unfortunately this woman is not an outlier in their community
@titush.3195 They celebrate it the same way people celebrate pdf files getting abused in prisons. It's just a reactionary need for retribution without even considering morality and consequences of allowing rpe culture to be fostered in prison system Not to mention that trans people don't hurt others by just being trans so they deserve such a treatment even less
Being silent after this question is the best move she could've done, because r@cists know that she is one of them, but she can also deny this fact to the public, because she didn't outright admitted it.
@@Nathan-CroftI'm pretty sure you can just add trans to any term and get her to say she's against it. Like "are you against fascism? Are you against TRANS fascism?" I assume she would say it already exists, but is she against it? "Are you against abortion in the case of rape? Are you against abortion in the case of being raped by a trans person?" The ideology to accept literally anything to control mostly just a narrow aspect of childrens' life up to 18 and public toilets is quite insane. You can only take action if it somehow inconveniences a trans person.
A trans woman named Beth goes for a walk on a hot day. She comes to a place under the trees with 2 benches and decides she needs to rest. On one bench, she sees another trans woman, Sarah. On the other bench is KJK. Beth thinks about it for a moment, and goes to sit with KJK. They chat for a good while and KJK gets up to leave. Then Sarah comes over and says "Beth, I can't believe you would talk to that woman! Don't you know what she represents?!!?" Beth says: "Yes, I know who she is and I knew that whichever bench I sat on, I would fall into conversation with one of you. If I come talk to you, all I will hear about is how things are bad and getting worse and how powerless we are. But when I talk to KJK, I find out that we control the politicians, the media, the health system, international business..."
"Bigotry is intersectional; there aren’t a lot of single-issue bigots, people who hate Mexicans but fight for everyone else’s rights. People generally don't apply this hierarchical thinking to just one aspect of their lives. So - commonly - racism is comorbid with anti-Semitism is comorbid with misogyny is comorbid with transphobia is comorbid with homophobia is comorbid with religious intolerance." -Ian Danskin, _Endnote 2: White Fascism_
I know there are an infinite amount of worse things she's done, but something that stood out to me personally was the tweet where she said something like 'girls your age [women in their 20s] either barbie themselves up or go the trans route'. She's a stereotypical middle aged woman who is so unnecessarily nasty and condescending to younger women, calling them 'girls' even when they are well into their 20s and basically calling any woman who likes to wear makeup and short dresses a bimbo like Barbie. And there's (sadly) a lot of older women who are like that, but at least they don't try to pass themselves off as feminists.
kaeley triller is so disgusting. the audacity to talk about “grooming in schools” when she literally groomed a child she was professionally responsible for 🤮 how does she have a platform fr???
She going to use the excuse of, and if I remember correctly, that it happened AFTER he was out of her care. Like some high school teacher who says, hey, I didn’t do anything until AFTER she was no longer taking my class. Besides, the kid was 17. I mean, that’s old enough to know what he wants, right? And it’s not like she was 40. She was 25, I think? So not a big age gap. (This is sarcasm, in case you weren’t sure.)
@@falconeshield Yeah, eeewwwww! And that whole bulls**t about chemistry or whatever. But nooooooooo, it’s the trans people that are groomers. Specifically trans woman. Despite the overall rhetoric, have you noticed that the majority of the fear mongering is directed towards trans WOMEN (ie., formally physiologically male), whereas trans men are almost just an afterthought.
I’m a cis woman but was always mistaken as a boy growing up due to being a “Tom boy” and having traditional masculine interests. But back then people were very quick to apologise and felt genuinely bad. I genuinely fear for my fellow Tom boys out there thanks to transphobes like KJK. She is truly vile. I genuinely didn’t realise the extent of her disgusting comments though I have seen a few moderate fence sitters turn pro trans rights out of sheer disgust at her callous remarks. A small win but I’ll take it. Great video as always Shaun. And trans rights are human rights!!!
@@DavidWilliams-by2ne Cis people have rights and deserve rights. Saying trans rights doesn’t automatically cancel them out. Stop being paranoid. I say this as a cis person. Sheesh!
Trans woman here and I know you'll likely never see this, but I am so grateful you've given our dehumanization such effort and concern. You truly have a talent for peeling apart the lies of fascist agenda and it's exactly what we need right now. It's insidious and you do a fantastic job pointing out how and why. Thank you for these videos.
@@wadtony123 *1. Cult of tradition:* KJK believes (wrongly) that every human culture in history treated sex, sexuality, masculinity and femininity in the exact same way until the "trans agenda" came along. *2. Rejection of modernism:* KJK is actively against any modern discussion of sex, gender, sexuality etc. She spoce several times against academia. *3. Action for action's sake:* KJK puts action above thought. Putting violent armed men in women's bathrooms to stop queer people is good; stopping to look at the statistics and see what would reduce the physical/sexual assault rate is bad. Readily accepting the Nazis' help because "anyone is welcome in my anti-trans activism" is good; thinking about it and realizing that it's lowering support for the anti-trans movement is bad. *4. Disagreement is betrayal:* KJK puts anti-trans activism above anything else. If you don't agree that the trans agenda is THE biggest issue, she considers you an enemy. *5. Fear of difference:* KJK believes in false conspiracies that demonize trans people; and constantly and falsely accuses them of horrible crimes. *6. Appealing to a frustrated middle class:* KJK takes advantage of the same homophobia used by the far-right as a wedge issue. Conservatives are falling behind the times, they are scared of queer people, and KJK is taking advantage of that fear. *7. Obsession with a plot:* KJK believes in a trans conspiracy funded by Jewish billionaires that aims to harm children and destroy Western culture in an overly-complicated way for some unspecified reason. Basically a recycle of the blood libel of the '30s. *8. The enemy is too strong and too weak at the same time:* According to KJK, trans people have near-complete control of the healthcare system, the government, the media, and the richest people on the planet. At the same time, KJK claims that trans people are all snowflakes who break down if they get misgendered once, and are completely incapable of holding any position of power. These two claims are incompatible with each other. *9. Pacifism is colluding with the enemy:* KJK believes in active fight against the trans agenda. Any attempt at a peaceful resolution or debate is considered betrayal. *10. Contempt for the weak:* KJK demonstrated severe ableism towards mentally ill people. Additionally, she considers trans men to be childish women manipulated by the Trans Agenda, and incapable of rational thought. *-11. Everyone is educated to be a hero:-* Doesn't apply to KJK. *12. Machismo:* KJK actively promotes the same sex stereotypes as Christian fundamentalism, and displayed a severe hatred of queerness. She also actively allied hereself with anti-abortionists. *13. Selective populism:* Against all evidence, KJK claims that almost everyone in society is anti-trans - they're just supposedly afraid to speak up because of the Trans Agenda. Thus, KJK falsely claims to be "the will of the people". *14. Newspeak:* KJK actively rejects terms like "gender identity" or "cis"; and relies purely on biology. But even then, her idea of sexual biology is extremely reductive and simplified. Hence her obsession with 5th grade biology: she can't handle complex concepts. 13 out of the 14 characteristics of Ur-Fascist rethoric seems a pretty high bar to me.
@wadtony123 It literally Step 1 for you Fascists. The classic images of Nazis burning books, is of them burning books from an Institute of Sexual Research. A Doctor was showing Scientific support and validation for Gay and Trans People. Bigot idiots like you needed to destroy that evidence to promote their ignorant hateful ideology. Wes, we're never going to stop proving you wrong. You may as well go away for ever. Follow your leader, Fasc boi.
@@soupcans7427 Yea, sorry about that. Tony has been stalking this comment section for about a month, maybe two now. He is such a pathetic person with terminal posting sickness. He has about 500 comments on this video alone and will respond to almost any comment. He just puts the same inflammatory insults under any new comment in the hopes that people respond to him, because he needs this fix of owning teh libs with facts and logic. Arguments with him lead nowhere. His claims are vague and unfounded, so he can easily change what he meant when is proven wrong, or he will just run away so his fragile worldview doesn't shatter.
"So what? People can show up wherever they want." -Quote of a woman who's entire platform is largely based on not allowing certain people into women's spaces.
So, wait... she thinks kids shouldn't under go life/body altering hormone therapy (or blockers, which are what is actually used) but will ally herself with people who think that children who are assaulted should be forced to give birth? Altering their lives and bodies permanently? Just shows how counterintuitive she is. Update: finished the video, I new she was awful but oh my God. I hope all the trans people out there stay safe. Ugh, so gross.
yeah but both of those things are bad and you only think one of those things are bad lol. Letting children make life changing decisions that statistically lead to drastically increased suicidality is just as bad as forcing a child to have a baby after being assaulted.
Funny how you freaks always limit the argument to restrooms & never extend it to prison. If trans AFABs can handle male restrooms, then why can't trans AMABs?
@@kathleenpearson-dh9od I think the ideal solution would be to let go of this prejudice about trans people being little more than sex offenders who take on a lifestyle of discrimination and hardship just so they can 'sneak' into a bathroom to make others uncomfortable. Let's remember that not every feeling of being unsafe is well-founded. Recall that it wasn't all that long ago that restrooms were racially segregated as well. Seems ridiculous in retrospect, but I'm willing to wager there were white women who maintained they felt threatened by the presence of non-white women. Harbouring a phobia towards the equal freedoms of others seems a poor justification to curtail those freedoms.
Was at her event in Bristol last year... Many stories but the one thing that stuck in my head was her shouting "I can see your penis" to a young trans women protesting her presence in the city. Just kinda fucked up an adult singles out a trans person to hundreds of anti-trans people and bring attention to their genitals, very weird.
nooooooo you dont get it, she HAS to do that because of the malicious devious transgender pedophiles!!!!!!!! she's right, because she's always right, as she so often says, typically directly after being wrong!!!!
It really is telling that these bigots have no point when Kellie-Jay is advocating for armed men to enter women's spaces to "protect women". I hope that her followers will wake up and imagine the dystopia they advocate for.
The most valuable thing about this video is that it gives me, a cis man who honestly hasn’t paid a ton of attention to this issue, just the tiniest visceral glimpse into how horrifying it must be to be a trans person in a world where this woman actually has a following. Thanks Shaun.
That's really all any ally needs to do: Realize that angry mobs are after your queer peers, and stand by them so they are not vulnerable and isolated when the mob sweeps by.
No it doesn't. It gives a slide show of cherry picked articles to back up the authors preconceived ideas and misrepresentations about kjk, for the benefit of those who also haven't watched a single Let Women Speak event and don't know anything about what she and Standing For Women is about. Only what fiercely hostile media sources similar to this present to them. If you want the truth about kjk the watch kjk yourself, don't really on the people who hate her to tell you.
@@jennywren118 I like how all you KJK stans will insist that she's being, "misrepresented" by her critics, even though every single point in this video is backed up by hard video evidence. How much copium do you drink per day in order to be so willfully blind to her hatred and bigotry? She's not a women's rights' activist. She's an anti-trans bigot and so are you. Grow up.
@@haydentravis3348plus... how does cherry picking absolutely vile things this woman says nullify that this allows them empathize with trans people? have they never heard of the negativity bias? You remember negative feelings a lot more than positive ones. So a 'cherry picked slide show' would be one of the better ways to get across how it'd feel to be a trans person with people like her constantly shouting about and at them They're literally just saying "nuh uh" to someone's personal feelings. Like????
And this is what makes it so clear that she doesn’t actually care about women’s rights, she just hates trans people. She doesn’t even care about women’s physical safety, and is willing to trade it to intimidate and endanger trans people
And it just shows her internalised sexism, why not armed (cis)women? She just trying to draw in the "traditionalist" types with the "man the protector" bollocks
That's the thing about her, she doesn't want people she perceives as men in women's spaces unless they're armed and willing to inflict violence, she doesn't want people she claims would groom children around, only people who have actually committed CSA, she will never ally with someone she perceives as an enemy unless their disagreement is over things that provably hurt and kill women including cis women. Nothing about kjk seems legitimate or genuine, like it's so obvious I cannot see any way this isn't a grift
@@risky_busine55 It's all consistent with being a single-issue, determined trans eliminationist happy to have anyone suffer whatever collateral damage that takes - or someone with a broader (fascist) political program using the transphobia as her particular wedge to drive the fascism into more normal political spaces. Sometimes, the hate is about the hate more than the money.
"These are dangerous narratives, not just for their effect on LGBT people, but because they work to obscure the much more common ways that abuse is often carried out" *Thank you* Shaun, thank you so much for saying this clearly. The only way we will ever truly protect children from abusers is if we are honest about who those abusers actually are, and that is something that a great many people who ostensibly want to protect children shy away from or refuse to acknowledge, for purely unconscious emotional reasons.
Incredible how even in her wildest fantasies for the Trans Apocalypse, all she can imagine happening in this terrible dystopia is... people calling things the wrong name
As a trans person I just wanted to say thank you Shaun for going so in depth with these sorts of videos. It's heartening to see a cis man make not just one but multiple longform, meticulously researched and compassionately argued videos defending people like me. A lot of people might make a one off "Trans rights!" tweet every year at pride month and call it a day but you go above and beyond despite having no horse in this race to most onlookers. Thank you.
As a straight white older CIS male I would say in response that we do have a horse in this race as, like Shaun, I don’t want to live in a world where the fascists assume power, whatever the pretext is. We have seen where that ultimately and inevitably leads.
Trans guy here and seeing a TH-camr of Shaun's scale do this actually brings hope to my cold, dead heart. I especially love that he shouts out and links at least a couple of trans creators and makes explicit that he isn't preaching to trans people. Although we love seeing it, this content isn't for us. And I'm so glad he knows that.
@@robsengahay5614 Thanks so much! I'm a trans guy and it withers a small part of my soul every time I see someone say, "I don't have a horse in this race but trans liberation!" I'm white, middle class, able bodied and not in a union. But I *damned* well do have a horse in the race for universal equality and equity including for people of colour, people with disabilities, those in poverty and people in unions. Every one of those things _is_ my fight. Appreciate you saying that.
I have to live in this world. Therefore I have horse in this race. I am also disabled. If these people manage to get society to further opress trans people they are gonna be coming for me next. I have two horses in this race.
As a (Jewish, autistic) cis man with a trans sibling, I just want the world to be a place where my family can live without fear. And that won't happen until every single trans person is safe from bigotry and hate.
The fact a holocaust survivor has come out and said he believes that there's people pushing for the genocide of trans people just like the holocaust was a real eye opener
@@butterscotchbeelzebumblebe5425I found only a video of his where he says trans rights are same as human rights and he stands with the trans community. So if he was being Refered to, it was kind of a misrepresentation of what he said. If there isnt a longer Version out there anyhow. I would love to see it if anyone has it.
My wife and I are both trans women. I'm comfortable, but she is emotionally fragile. She has talked about detransition for safety (her therapist and I have said we think it won't help but we'll support her whatever she does). Anyway, I watched the first half of this video in private but stopped it when she came home from work. She's pretty stable right now so listening to this...nice lady...is not ideal. Since I'm not watching the full video, I'll leave a comment to make up for the engagement loss.
Damn I'm really sorry, to have to not be who you are out of fear of safety. At least she has a loving wife and a good support system. Good luck to yall
As of transitioning, two of my favorite quotes I've found are as follows, I hope they help. "Transitioning didn't solve my problems, it made my problems worth solving" and "Existing is resisting, never stop resisting". I often fear for my life going out in public, especially bathrooms. I sometimes think of de-transitioning because of the social climate; but then I remember those quotes and I think about how miserable my life and motivation were before I started doing something about it and being true to myself. Stay strong
I want to live in the imaginary world of Kellie's where trans people have this incredible influence over healthcare professionals, government officials, educational institutions, etc. What a world that would be
@@kathleenpearson-dh9od This an obvious, conspiratorial lie to propagate hate which can be reported as such. Edit: Hate is not a debatable opinion, Kathleen.
@@Dranlia You are free to responed in any way you want. I think you are being rude and immature and being your own worst enemy. You seem to have given up on yourself.
@@regisglass5464 Political activists tend to be a tiny percentage of the population. Socialists tend to want a socialist society. I believe that most socialists on the whole support trans-ideology and see them as a kind of symbolic vanguard of modern day socialism.
"I'm always right, and I always win!" "I'll stand with the devil himself!" "You will be annihilated!" Really leaning into the supervillain vibe EDIT 48:37 "Say that trans women are women, and society's fine. Say they should be sterilized, SOCIETY GOES WILD!" I see the J in KJK stands for Joker
Keen misidentified a robot as a human being, ignored it telling her it was a robot, and argued with it as though it was a human and kept treating it like one. I just wanna point that out and emphasize it that way, because it's legitimately very funny.
Indy being overbudgted forgot one important thing: don't bomb at the box office and people will talk about you Because by God the movie that should've reminded people to hate Nazis didn't even make a peep. Hell the Barbie movie might make more noise and money
This woman must be an absolute terror to share a public bathroom with. It doesn't matter who you are, she's going to be closely monitoring every move, looking to "catch" someone. Gross and invasive.
No parents ever "sat in" on my classes, but around 7th grade when we were taught about Charles Darwin and the theory of evolution in science class, we had to take home a permission slip for parents to sign, and any parent who didn't want their kid being taught evolution "for religious reasons" could opt their kids out. The kids weren't even given any kind of alternative curriculum to work on, they were just taken to a study hall and left to sit there. Literally forbidding your children from learning is so disgusting to me. I can't wait until schools start giving out permission slips so parents can opt their kid out of learning about vaccines and the holocaust and slavery in America *hard eyeroll*
Here's the thing about a trans bathroom bill - it would force people who have been transitioning for years into the bathroom of their gender assigned at birth. I have no doubt that my trans masc ass, complete with beard and deep voice, would make women uncomfortable if I were forced into the female bathroom
Well I doubt generally that transphobes actually consider the consequences of their actions, exhibit A: Posie Parker. Even the transphobes that take issue with her cozying up with fascists seem primarily concerned with their collective public image.
even if we steelman their stupid argument, it falls apart using their own logic. Let's pretend like predators rely on getting to go into bathrooms unquestioned to assault strangers in there, and that it's a common problem (and disregard the other ways a person can gain access to opposite sexed public bathrooms with legitimacy, like janitors). In a world in which trans men have to use women's bathrooms, anyone who presents as a man can use the women's restroom if they claim to be trans. This would be a hundred thousand times easier for a person to do than try to disguise himself as a woman to get into the women's bathroom.
I feel like you already know this, but they SUPER don’t care if you have a place you’re allowed to be. They will very happily chase you out of the women’s restroom all the same just based on a masculine appearance. They do that to CIS WOMEN and then don’t even feel bad, they’ll certainly do it to trans men.
transphobes fall into two categories on this -- the ones who have never thought of that because they're so stupid they think that trans women are just men in wigs and that they're *always* easy to "clock," and the ones for whom that is an acceptable outcome because it can then be used to effectively push trans people out of public bathrooms in general and by doing so help push trans people out of public. Remember, Michael Knowles got a *lot* of applause and cheering for calling for the "eradication of transgenderism from public life." Posie Parker is simply emblematic of how transphobes are crypto fascists themselves or are willing to ally with fascists.
yeah i cant... I'm sorry shaun... I been trying to finish this video for two months, Im at a ...rather vulnerable stage in my life and i cannot really deal with this topic... but I'm very thankful for your coverage and support. you're a shining light in a crowd of shadowy figures scheming our demise... thank you.
if posie parker was a massive trans rights campaigner and i agreed with her on everything, that "there is precious little i am ever wrong about" speech would still be a massive red flag
A red flag with a white circle with some sort of black rune inside.
@@hamfranky NGL, I'm really glad I wasn't drinking when I read that XD
@@hamfranky that sounded kinda cool until I realized what you were talking about lol
It's grandiose narcissist behavior
@@user-account-not-found 'I genuinely don't lose'...JAYZUS.
It's not even when you're not presenting in a gendered way! I'm a very feminine presenting cis woman (long hair, makeup, dresses, all that stuff), but a combination of genetics and PCOS has given me features like broad shoulders and large hands, on top of a lot of bodyhair that I spend a lot of time and effort on removing. This alone has caused several TERFS to question my gender. It's frankly insulting that they're policing what womanhood gets to look like.
This took place in the US, but one of my friends got harassed because she wore baggy clothes, didn't have makeup on, and had a chin dimple. That's literally it.
Apparently that's "manly" and she was "obviously trans".
Transphobes would be almost comically stupid if they weren't so dangerous.
@@pennyforyourthotswell they *are* comically stupid, but also incredibly dangerous (as fascists and neo-nazis tend to be)
These feminists accuse trans women of making a caricature of femininity but then turn around and judge the appearance of a woman who doesn't present in a feminine manner.
Aimee Toms I think was her name, a cis woman in CT, USA who was followed into the women's room by a man because he suspected her of being trans.
I know a number of trans women (trans guy myself). Most trans women get hassled less than butch lesbians in bathrooms. Because the phobes always think they can clock a trans. What they can "clock" is how feminine a person is presenting and most (not all) trans women make a concerted effort to look quite feminine, often beyond what is even typical for cis women.
It's like that bigoted grandpa at the sports ball event who started hassling a little (cis) girl because she had short hair. He's obviously oblivious to what most trans people are doing. A trans girl is far more likely to have long hair. Because gender norms and stereotypes blah blah. The phobes are just dumb and ignorant to the point where they can't even bigot properly.
holy shit if she was a fictional villain people would criticise the character writing for being too one dimensional and not nuanced
She is one dimensional. That is the characteristic I find to be genuine.
"I dunno, Joanna, Dolores Umbridge seems a little unrealistic."
*One Kellie Keene later*
"Oh, okay, never mind."
@@peace-now lot of the alt right tend to be because they HAVE to be. Their ideology relies on fitting the correct archetype in order to achieve their perceived idea of greatness. These archetypes are formed of unchangeable characteristics like race, sex, orientation, etc. Thus supporters start limiting their personalities and lives around those things thus being one dimensional.
In the case of Keene, she is one of those women who only feels powerful when lording her perceived biological power over marginalised people (more able to do so by being a white woman, who is a key instrument in maintaining white patriarchal capitalism). A lot of TERFs fear trans women because they worry that they would be more oppressed than they already are - they think that their ability to give birth will spare them from direct patriarchal violence. As long as they get to oppress others, they'll be happy.
The trouble with reality is that while fiction needs to make sense to a reader, reality has no such obligation. Thus, it's way more bonkers than any fiction can be in regard to certain things. I would personally though prefer dealing with singing frogs, dancing trees, and the occasional power mad rogue wizard over whatever this nonsense with ever power gaining hate movements is. As why, they get to do what they do and are also gaining ground in many places around the world while most people sit around and spectate just makes my mind melt from the sheer idiocy of letting this happen due to how much actual suffering it creates. Not to mention how negatively it will impact the lives of everyone in the long run too.
This particular problem won't go away without doing something to combat it, and so it's frustrating how many rather stick their heads in the sand rather than understand it's time to get on with it and start doing less, they want an ever bigger mess. In fact, it feels like most folk imagine the time of great human rights battles is somehow long gone and over, rather than it being in one of it's the most prominent rounds right now.
@@grandempressvicky6387 "race and sex are unchangeable"
Race is outside of white Breadtube. Racial identity is quite important.
But please tell me how males, by virtue of them wearing a skirt and guzzling estrogen, are more oppressed than women. Your ideology is based on the argument feelings trump reality; that nothing is immutable except trans identity, and that you, by virtue of being "the most oppressed people on earth" can do whatever you want.
Every complaint you made there 100% applies to you. You are one dimensional people who want a war with TERFs yet DO NOT pick fights with the Nazis you claim TERFs hang around. You do this every time: be it Proud Boys or those in the UK, you pick a fight with women because you know they're easier to cow.
During one of her conspiratorial tirades, Kellie says something to the effect of 'People who support trans issues are everywhere. They're hard to avoid. It's hard to find a space without them.' What amazes me is that, apparently, at no point did it occur to her that this might be because most people disagree with her.
@@wadtony123 So you're saying that Posie is lying?
@@wadtony123 Who cares about polling when it comes to Biological Facts?
If we poll people, you'll see the majoirty of Humans are religious.
You love making your idiotic religion comparison.
Does Mass Belief equal Valid Fact?
No. No, it doesn't.
Neurologists disagree with you. Biologists disagree with you. Sexologists disagree with you. Psychology, Philosophy, and Sociology all disagree with you.
You're wrong. You're just another idiot bigot
@@wadtony123nah that's actually wrong, most professional athletes are fine with trans people competing
@@wadtony123guys avoid him.. he’s under every comment spewing transphobia
everyone secretly agrees with her and is too afraid to say it but also somehow so many people disagree with her that she cant go anywhere without seeing them
"Men, I'm gonna need you to start stepping into women's spaces to prove my point about trans women." Being an actual take of hers is insane.
Doesn't that prove the point of trans people? Ie, that men can intrude in any women space they want, if they want to, and don't have to pretend to be trans for that? ^^'
"Men, I'm gonna need you to start stepping into women's spaces in order to get rid of men in women's spaces. And make sure to bring deadly firepower just to make that space safer." Sure, that makes perfect sense...? xD
@@human78631 Reminds me of that The Simpsons episode where they have a pest problem and we get to gorillas being deployed to wipe out the snakes released to kill the invasive lizards lol
Right? You think if it were such a problem, it would be a bit more self-evident. She's just openly calling for help in manufacturing her pretend crisis.
"Now, there's been a lot of litter dropped in the streets recently, so I'm going to need you all to drop a lot of litter in the streets so people see how much there is."
@@human78631it’s extra insane because anyone who thinks about this for two seconds realizes the huge flaw. Like, I’m gonna spell it out, but the fact that spelling it out seems so stupid and obvious really just shows how insane that position is from a “Women’s Right(s?)” organizer.
When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
Let’s assume she gets what she wants, right? Men with guns get to shoot and threaten women in bathrooms. Problem is they know they’re going in to LOOK for trans folks. Since they’re primed to think about trans people as being present, they’d latch onto any non typically feminine person as being trans and shoot them, the likely outcome of this is that way more cis women will get killed than trans women. There are simply WAAAAAY more cis women that might not necessarily fit the beauty standards stereotype than there are trans women.
So yeah we’re just out here sacrificing women to use their blood to lubricate trans crushing machine that seems real worth it from a women’s rights perspective don’t it? Congrats! We eliminated trans people! And all it took was this innumerable pile of innocent women murdered by our bathroom hit squads! The ends justifies the means c: Hooray!
Really shows you that she isn’t nearly as smart as she claims to be.
I like how Shawn can literally say these women commited crimes, because they are too proud to even deny so instead they say "yeah, I got pregnant with a minor"
It's a message from Gawd
Wow, God is a pedo friendly watcher
That’s just pretty normal for a lot of female sexual predators. You could make a list of famous women who’ve admitted to committing a sex crime casually in interviews and biographies
As an openly bisexual cis guy, I get genuinely confused seeing gay men hop on the anti trans "groomer" narrative, especially since many of them are in their 40s to 50s. They would have lived through the "gay debate" of the 90s-2000s where identical rhetoric of "they want to corrupt our kids" was used. For the younger gay men, like myself, we're at least aware of the history there
Probably because of the legislative movements to seperate parents from their kids and push hormone treatments that sterilize and practice plastic surgery as therapy!
@@alwayshere6956Source.
@@antiksur8883 You should make like the federal government and Google It
"I have all this proof backing me up! No you can't see any of it, go away."
every time lmao
@@JETAlone12 Never said I had any proof. In the age of information, ignorance is almost a sin
As someone who is half German and half Austrian (there's no joke about my Nazi ancestry you can make that I haven't made myself), I inevitably had to face that the grandparents I adored growing up, were at the very least silent bystanders and it made me wonder, if I would have the courage to stand up to hate and facism. But Jesus Christ, I didn't mean that I wanted to be tested by living in times where it was on the rise again.
I don’t have that ancestry, but good lord I would give anything to live through less historic events.
Your one question that God decided to actually answer. Bruh.
I don't really know what any individuals in German towns can really have been expected to do under the Nazi regime. Beside the facts that the true nature of the holocaust and Germany's responsibility for the war were concealed from the public anyone who had the nouse to recognise the danger of the regime they were living under was surrounded by loyal subjects to the Fuhrer. Taking a stand in public would just get you sent straight to a concentration camp which is what happened to thousands of people who did have the courage. Engaging in sabotage of some nature would likely result in a person's execution. It's completely believable and I would say that a normal person would choose to just keep their head down as things gradually ramp up in extremity over those 12 years. Boiled alive slowly as they say.
Mach dich nicht lächerlich mit solchen infantilen Aussagen. Der Vergleich ist eine Beleidigung für alle die tatsächlich unter dem Nazi-Regime gelitten haben. Trottel.
@@carelessdreamer Literally nothing happened you bozo.
I'm so blown away by the way she uses "transing the children" without a shred of irony. Like I've literally never heard anyone use that phrase if they weren't making fun of these people
Ah yes. 'Our enemy is simultaneously a tiny minority of people and EVERYWHERE AT ONCE'... one of the cornerstones of fascist rhetoric
lol well not really. The actual numbers of transexuals is very little - or should be - but it is a fad now and increasing by unnatural rates. The numbers of trans activists is also quite high, but they're mostly just the loudest and most violent. More people stand with Posie but don't want to be assaulted and just want to live their lives away from this nonsense.....haven't you seen the large mobs who have physically attacked Posie? The ratio of trans people vs trans activists is unbalanced. That's what she means.
Trans people somehow have overwhelming control of the government and media, but somehow can't enact more than token legal protections for trans people nor can their giant media empire bury fascists like this woman.
They thought Umbert Eco's list is a to-do list instead of "hey, if you're in any one of these, you might be a fascist" list.
@@Marfmellow88 Follow your leader.
Thats how it goes, you need to scare your followers otherwise well, they might even start to think for themselves and see through your bullshit
The fact that she wants armed men to go into "womens spaces", but simply to bully trans women, shows how little she cares about "protecting women from bad men", all she cares about is "othering", demonizing, and scaring trans people out of society. I know this is just one part of her message, but wow are they incoherent in all levels of their messaging. It always boils down to embracing ignorance, fear, and hate for reactionaries and fascists like Parker.
Exactly that. Gender critical ideology doesn't do anything to protect cis women. It only forces people into increasingly tiny boxes
And what's to stop those armed men in women spaces from doing whatever the hell they want to do. Since ya know most women attacked in bathrooms are done by armed cis men.
not just trans people at that point. basically any woman that in any way deviates from a strict yet arbitrary norm
Fascists always run on the basis of "fear of the other." This 'other' will always move onto the next once the previous has been eliminated. This woman's anti trans sentiments will be used as a foothold for fascists as they move on their war path towards power.
@@ince55antyup, or even just a cis woman who doesn't deviate at all, but who one of those armed men might have beef with.
What she's asking for is a situation where a woman at a bar turns down a guy, and then, when she's using the bathroom later, that guy comes in to harass her for using the wrong restroom as revenge
as a detransitioner im SO sick of being a pawn in transphobia. just bc it wasnt right for me doesnt mean its not right for anybody
@@wadtony123 ratio
@@wadtony123 'if the people I don't like stop existing then my favorite politician won't have to advocate for genocide' lmao ok
@@wadtony123 You believe that trans people groom kids just by _existing._ How about you shut up?
Oh, and you completely failed to provide a reason why trans women shouldn't have access to women's spaces, beyond "Because I Said So" like any two-bit dictator.
I'm glad you figured out what was right for you
@@wadtony123the youngest person to ever get a sex change (In the United States) was 17
Puberty blockers do not have permanent effects
Nobody is being groomed, nobody is being "mutilated", that's poisoning the well with phrasing that immediately frames them as evil, because you are afraid of them, as you are transphobic
"If you are the sort of person who calls people right-wing, white supremacists, you are not in the side of women". A person who hears this sentence and still supports her and her movement has no excuse.
Or no brain
I always crack up when people criticize that sort of thing. If white supremacists exist, it isn’t wrong to call people white supremacists, it’s only wrong to *incorrectly* call people white supremacists. So tell me why I’m incorrect, or piss off. Or tell me white supremacists don’t exist, AND piss off.
She is the pinacle of white privileged feminism. She clearly doesn't give a shit about women of color, Jewish women other wise she wouldn't associate with that disgusting people.
@@hanshintermann1551both can be true
She’s just another white woman preserving her place on the social hierarchy
Ah yes, she's so concerned about women's rights and children she will *checks notes* ally herself with movements who are fundamentally harmful to women and children, and annihilate women who question her about it. Flawless logic there, obviously she's wrong about precious little.
This is infuriating. Everything about the hate rising in the world is disgusting
I hope its not rising hate and just hate getting louder. Would suck if we were actually regressing in terms of social progress since the 90's.
It emboldens those who are bigoted but closeted. It grows when they feel comfortable enough and safe enough to act. Hopefully we become stricter towards them.
@@mrtrolly4184 As s/o who lived through the '80s... Man are YOU in for a rough ride. I've been literally seeing us regressing since the late '70s!!!
I really loved the part where she said that armed men should go into women's bathrooms and even girl bathrooms in schools. Surely nothing bad could come of this
It is flawless logic though. What she's doing works for the ACTUAL ends she's trying to accomplish. But she's lying about what the ends are. The logic is fine. It's like saying "HA, you want a better, safer society but you're annihilating all the marginalized people! Illogical! Check mate!" They know what they're doing and it works. The logic is irrelevant
A transphobe literally ranting and raving at a bot on twitter is so funny. It gives "old man yells at cloud" energy.
Can’t wait for Twitter to be discarded into the dustbin of history…but performances like that I’ll almost miss😂
Old woman yells at The Cloud.
@@imveryangryitsnotbutterOld 'woman'. Please, don't call her Lady.
Not half as funny as the lgbtq+ community thinking they're going to ever convince smart reasonable non-bigoted people that the actions of Kevin Spacey, Bryan Singer, Catholic Priests, Isla Bryson, Aiden Hale, Sam Brinton, etc were actually just "cringe" and not objectively bad/possibly illegal behavior.
@@Billpro25 fixed
Did she seriously say "let's send ARMED MEN in women's bathrooms IN SCHOOLS before we let transwomen in, BECAUSE WE ARE AFRAID OF SCARY MEN INVADING OUR SPACES" ????????? holy shit
Like I've spent a fair share of my time on earth listening to bigots' mental gymnastics but that is something that is so sick I can't even wrap my head around it
The idea is to guard toilets from trans women because remember, bigots can "always tell". Except they can't always tell so this tactic, if anyone tried it out, would kill a fuckload of people
it's quite easy to understand when you realize it's not (only) about her thinking trans women are men. It's because she believes they're the wrong kind of men. Her focus on gender obscures the reality that she sees trans women as PERVERTS. Trans women are not just men to her, they're inherently perverted, predatory men by nature of their transness. Notice how she claims that being trans is a paraphilia and that the most common accompanying paraphilia is paedophilia. Ignoring the fact that paraphilias do not necessarily equal harmful behaviour and what is and is not a paraphilia is a pretty complicated subject, she equates being trans to deviant sexual behaviour which therefore means trans women--who once again she sees as men--cannot be trusted around "vulnerable" cis women.
To put it in simpler terms, this is basically the same as fears around black men assaulting white women. It was not the male part of the equation that bigots saw as the source of danger, but maleness in intersection with blackness. With trans women, it's the perceived maleness in intersection with a specific type queerness.
But the right kind of man can be trusted around vulnerable women, you see. The right kind of man will protect the vulnerable women from the evil, predatory, perverted men. In fact, it's necessary that they accompany women everywhere in order to "protect" them. Because there are two types of men. The Good Men who are straight and white and cis and masculine, who have power and respect. And the Bad Men, the Enemy Men, the Other who is a man, they are predators and perverts and rapists, they are coming over the border or sneaking into women's restrooms or sharing a classroom with your daughter! And the Good Men, they are Protectors, that's what Being A Man means when you're a proper one, so these Big Strong Good Men have to take their guns and violence--which they can be trusted with because they're the Good Men and not like those Bad Men whose manly power is always a threat--and must terrorize the Bad Men to fend them off (all for the sake of the vulnerable women, of course). And even if those Bad Men don't seem to be doing anything wrong, they are, because they're lying and sneaky and deceptive therefore all violence done against them is simply preventing the evil they'd no doubt commit if a Good Man wasn't there to stop them. And of course whether or not someone is a Good Man or a Bad Man is readily apparent to anyone with "common sense."
The safety of women isn't even really that important here, it's just an excuse; it's about men finding a justification for inflicting violence against other marginalized men. But just the same as the violence against marginalized men being justified by their perceived threat to women, the perceived threat these Bad Men are said to hold against women is further used to justify oppressing and discrimination against women for their own "protection." And as we can see in the video as well as historically, women have a history of using this kind of bigotry to direct male violence at marginalized men as well.
And let's not forget, encourage these armed men to harm women they perceive as not being feminine enough, so they are suspected of being trans. It's really mask off in regards to pretending to care about women's safety.
Translation: We are afraid of scary men in women's spaces so let's have ARMED SCARY MEN in those spaces.
@numbdigger9552 Not to mention I've never actually seen any news report that ever talks about a trans woman assaulting anyone in a bathroom.
As a trans person, Shaun being so vehemently pro-Trans and protective of Trans rights is such a validating experience. Truly a must-watch Trans channel
We all are, very few are as articulate as shaun.
I hope this doesn’t sound bad but in my personal anecdotal experience, I feel like most not very political people aren’t bothered by trans people. Even people who are a bit transphobic (Eg making shitty jokes or not seeing trans people as their gender) will often feel like these people go too far and would rather let people be free to choose for themselves.
@@silverstorm1000 I can assure you that those "non-political" people are political. Everyone is, regardless of how ignorant they claim to be about the system they live in. It's just that people like them, either unknowingly or not, put humanity over ideology, which is I what I encourage people to remember to do. If your ideology wants you to threaten, harm, or even kill innocent people, then your ideology is nothing but an excuse to hate; a thought so obvious that it's disturbing that so many people who claim to be religious or "pro-liberty" almost always fail to come to that conclusion, or at least avoid it with religious or inadvertently fascist rhetoric.
9 out of 10 trans' say “Crikey, that's a fair dinkum trans approved channel, that is! You beauty!”
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I assume
@@RaveDecoy242 Well said! Although I must still say Shaun said it better. ✌️😎🌈💜🏳️⚧️
Loved when she said the neo Nazis at her event might have secretly been police. Even a broken clock is right twice a day
Becoming disturbingly less secret, but at least they're easier to spot that way.
Nah, she's wrong. Most police officers are pretty open about their jobs
@@ninjoshdayAnd about their fascism
lol
@@kathleenpearson-dh9od What are you talking about?
"It's the end of days!"
Because of all the fires and floods and pollution and war, right?
"No! Because a fraction of a percent of the population identify as trans!"
It's sad that she thinks these things, but it's terrifying that _there are people who listen to her._
"There's a small group of people dictating what can go on in our society!"
You mean the rich assholes running most governments and corporations, aka the 1%? Who are predominantly old white christian/gentile dudes?
"No, the people puppeting them!"
Like... the answer to "why can't we have nice things" doesn't require any significant conspiratorial aspects; it's largely happening in plain sight.
I thought the same thing. It's so crazy to live in a bubble where by far the thing that's the most wrong in the world is a couple of people who run around in dresses despite having been born with a penis.
I'm glad i live in south italy. No one gives a shit. They would've mentioned it a bit then and there in the past but now no one gives a fuck. Ever since i've came out as gay no one has ever had a problem with me in my life irl. My friends do joke about it, but when they are serious, they don't care. They're chill.
@@THECONTINENTALMAN In my country (The Netherlands) being gay, lesbian and to a lesser degree being bisexual is much less a dividing thing, but anti-trans rhetoric, and especially the (extreme-)right part of it that comes from the US is gaining ground in my country.
People probably feel that they notice that discriminating and openly hating gay people can't be done without facing serious repercussions because society has accepted them a lot more than transpeople.
I want to clearly stipulate that while the arguments against transpeople are the exact same once used against the gay movement, the gay movement never had to deal with big technology companies keen on not giving a fuck if they destroy societies in countries, in some cases even if this meant inciting civil war...
This is for me the biggest concern, along with people like Kellie-Jay being absolutely mentally deranged and having a platform, and to me, is the perfect example of how mainstream media has a duty to guard their reporting (well to a degree, some of their messaging on anti-trans people has been worryingly biased) against subjective wording of their articles, along with, at a lot of times, being required to be factually accurate: Kellie-Jay would not fit in any main stream media organisation because of how extreme and absolutely deranged she is.
@@Dutch3DMaster Yeah, the influence of american politics on europe is kinda cringe. If you ask me, we should institute an embargo on most of the US, some liberal pockets like urban california are fine though, as well as institute a total travel ban on US Citizens and deport current or former US Citizens. Like, sorry for the people that are suffering, but we didn't send our best there and they got worse and become more of a cancer to civilization by the day.
Something very telling occurred to me upon a rewatch of this:
You mentioned how many of the infamous images of the Nazis burning books were them burning books from Hirschfeld’s sexology institute.
Nazis burning books has always been a go-to image to illustrate the evil of the Nazis, visual shorthand for “don’t be like these monsters,” but as a shorthand image when it’s evoked it almost always (rather conveniently) overlooks exactly what books were being burned.
…I say “conveniently” as I watch the smoking tailspin the Republican Party is currently in here in the US, specifically regarding the recent reactionary push to ban books dealing with LGBTQ+ issues and culture on the grounds that it’s “pornographic,” “sexually explicit,” and/or “sexualizing our kids.”
My morbid curiosity can’t help but wonder how conservatives here in the US would react to the knowledge that the Nazis banned and burned books, which they are usually quick to acknowledge is bad, but the books they were banning and burning were about LGBTQ+ issues… which many of them are in favor of banning.
I’d like to think they simply don’t know, give them the benefit of the doubt and all that. Admittedly I didn’t know the history of Hirschfeld’s institute or how the Nazis destroyed it until recently and I’m gay, so I imagine many straight cis people, conservative or otherwise, would have even less reason to know about it.
Again, the Nazis started somewhere… ignorance is the fascist’s greatest weapon.
Don't worry, they know. They've known. That, or they're stupid. In the US, we *just* went through this whole 'kid corruption' thing, but with Gay people. The same players that lost their whole 'gays are bad' gambit are now pulling the 'transes are bad' gambit in order to win back ground. It is, both hearteningly and dishearteningly, not really anything that motivates anyone. Anti-trans positions aren't winners, but they also don't motivate voters to punish the politicians who push them. It's just another dumb bullshit thing in our ever churning culture war that really only one side cares about.
I think part of that is that trans stuff became super normalized in the professional and academic spheres super quickly, thus also quickly creating an air of acceptance among people who interact with those circles. Everyone I know that's under like 50 knows someone who's trans, because the internet has connected so many people across distances and if you've been to college before getting mad about trans people was trendy, you were probably pretty laid back about the whole ordeal. It just makes sense, honestly, and if you're a nerd you've been dealing with gender-bending stuff in your sci-fi, fantasy, and trash manga for a long time now. It wasn't an alien concept, and it's pretty easy to understand and accept.
Anti-trans stuff feels, more than a civil rights struggle, like a confusing and exhausting backlash, even though it is a civil rights struggle. Cause honestly a lot of civil rights struggles were very much people from non-shitty places going "wait what the fuck are you doing over there" and then a fight happening as more people noticed naked oppression. Which is why fascism comes so easily to anti-trans assholes: they're fundamentally revanchists rather than conservatives. They're not trying to keep things the same, they're trying to change things for the worse so they can retreat to an imaginary past.
For the most part, I doubt they'd care. They'd say something like, 'Oh, it was bad when they burned the wrong books. But the books we're burning are different! It's actually justified here'.
If it were hard to rationalise one's bigotry, there wouldn't be a Republican Party.
Fun fact: Many Neo-Nazis DO mention that they burned several books on sex ed......
But only to say, "See, they were burning the RIGHT books! They were degenerate books, fuck them!"
KJK who is a working class mother of 4 children and who used to be a member of the British Labour Party (a socialist party) is a national and international figure who is known for fighting for the sex based rights of women and has been under constant scrutiny for many years , who happens to live in modern day Britain , which is one of the most tolarent and open nations on the face of the earth. Trying to associate this very concerned mother with some of the most evil people in human history is just a very crude form of character assassination, which appears to be a very poor substitute for an intelligent and coherent argument against some of the criticism against transgenderism. Working class women are notorious for their lack of ability in organising Nazi cells.
@@kathleenpearson-dh9od She quite literally has said more than once she wants trans people to die, which is what exactly the Nazis did to trans people.
And many biologists, anthropologists, medical organizations, and historians has presented intelligent and coherent arguments against criticisms of trans people, critics just don't want to listen.
The fact that she unironically said "you will be annihilated" in a serious tone as a grown adult is fucking hilarious to me
It deflates any imagined tough-guy sense. "I'm your worst nightmare!" It'd be trite if it were a motion picture.
To me it's a sign of the monster that she is, along with the ability of not realizing how much she is not about protecting women when she says this, to me at least, is not hilarious: it unfortunately has real-world consequences because people eat her statements up...
It would be hilarious if she didn't have any power. With the amount of power she has to back those words up, it's terrifying.
@@weirdcreature9928 This exactly...
It's a bit like a Dennis Reynolds meltdown
You wanna talk about holding two contradictory ideas in your head at the same time, Posie “the attackers didn’t know their victim was trans so it’s not a hate crime, despite how obviously hideous and easily recognisable all trans women are” Parker can do it in one sentence. I’d be impressed if I were so disgusted.
People willingly believing bullshit to avoid showing compassion is the “end of civilization” Parker is so worried about, and she’s dancing right in the mud.
This is what bigotry does to your brain kids
She isn't holding two contradictory ideas in her head, she's just lying.
In the fascist brain, there are no contradictory ideas. The truth is whatever it needs to be to serve the cause. The truth can change, instantly, in every sentence. They do it so much it becomes second-nature, reflexive.
Lol trans people dont all assimilate. Some trans women ate 100% passable while others are men wearing wigs, giant fake tits with cheap makeup smeared on their face….
KJK: I will accept the help of anyone who agrees with my hatred of trans people no matter how awful they are.
The most awful groups imaginable, who have shared her views on trans people for longer than she has been alive show up at her rally
KJK: Something feels really off about this. I can't imagine why these people would support me or show up.
By the way, I am incredibly smart and always right about everything.
The fact the Nazis keep appearing at my events has nothing to do with what an awful person I truly am. - KJK
Seriously though, every time you hear about a rally of hers you'll find blackshirts pulling security for it. Someone from the Victorian rally had pictures of them getting high fives from police and other signs of acceptance from the cordon that was blocking the counter protest and attendees but they keep trying to claim that they weren't invited and were unwelcome oh kids your organisers could have done plenty to keep them away.
That's probably the least believable thing she's ever said. She is clearly quite happy to have their support, and is only half-heartedly trying to distance herself from them because of the optics, because she knows she'll lose a hell of a lot of supporters if she openly accepts them.
@@r_bear She's not even smart enough to realize that only stupid people brag about how smart they are.
@@t_ylrshe explicitly, repeatedly, and loudly denies that she is a feminist actually
I am a mixed race cis femme lesbian. I've been regularly misgendered since I was a teenager because my face has the audacity not to fit western beauty standards - even got bullied for it. I'm not trying to look masculine(but you shouldn't be threatened if you do, that goes without saying). I can see the incomprehension and disgust in people's eyes when they can't figure out what I am. I've been fearing public restrooms even before the whole trans panic and even before figuring out i was gay just because I looked different. Now, because of people like KJK, it's become worse. I keep being misgendered. If I'm dressed casual, I'm a man. If I wear a dress, I'm, strangely, a trans woman. Now, I know in 99% of the cases, nothing violent will happen to me in public restrooms or in any public spaces, but the 1% is now terrifying me beyond measure. But thank you TERFS for making cis women and lesbians like me feel safe I guess.
This is why I stand with trans people and jewish people - and any other oppressed minority. It is VERY easy to be othered and made the target of a group who arbitrarily decided you needed to be erased out of existence, because said group's standards for "what's normal and good" are so narrow that you have more chance to be hurt than being part of said group. Even cishet white women often don't fit the TERF/nazi criterias defining a woman.
Anyway. My dear trans friends, we have so much in common and you have made my life brigther time and time again. I'll march with you and protect you until the end. You are loved.
Edit: oh hells, thanks for the likes! I want to make clear that my situation as a cis woman is not as terrible that of trans people. I just wanted to highlight how this "protect women" motto is bullshit, because it also ends up hurting people like me. As with everything intersectionality is key and that's why you can't separate gay and trans people, and lbgt people and people of color, because we have a lot of things in common, and above all, sadly, the people who want us dead!
Sending you lots of love ❤ I am so sorry you have to deal with all of that.
I'm AFAB and although I'm non binary I'm very femme presenting most days and it's crazy to me that the only times I've been stopped from using the womens restroom is when I'm at my most femme. I've never had any gender affirming medical treatment. But because my face is just a little too masculine and my frame a little too square I'm somehow both female and not female enough. Transphobia is a nonsense ideology.
That sucks so much. I haven't encountered people actually misgendering me (so far at least). I have visible facial hair, and I never felt very judged for that, until the TERFs (and other transphobes) started going on and on about the differences between cis women and trans women. I'm a cis woman, and I guess I don't count as a woman according to the TERFs. I can't have kids, I have visible facial hair... It was pretty clear to me that TERFs don't give a rat's arse about women, all their definitions of women exclude me after all. They don't care about all the cis women they hurt in their anti trans bigotry, they only care to hurt trans people, and the collateral damage is unimportant apparently.
And in the end “it’s everyone fault, but my own”. This sort of guilt tripping is so synonymous with humans who are so entitled and privileged, no matter the circumstances they want to bring up to ‘prove’ how they could never be privileged or entitled…
Learn to understand what *social standards* are, and why you think you are entitled for everyone to destroy their own foundations, and build those in your honor! We do not need to abide your absurdist ideals that go against basic logic, as well proper biology! Even your standards of beauty are beyond envy and spite that you some how feel ENTITLED to change the very fabric beauty so instead of it naturally coming to people on what they think is ‘beautiful’, instead it’s done so out of fear, groupthink, or politics!
It amazes me…truly that a hypocrite like yourself thinks they are truly coming with good faith…Do you not see the irony of your words as you simultaneously chastise another group you wish to see eliminated from this earth? Those “cishet white woman” seem to be just as entitled as to their beliefs as you do, yet somehow you get to advocate for their destruction because they refused to accept what you think you narcissistically deserve?! That everyone *must* accept your reality, or we’re basically on par with the “Nazis” and those evil pale people. Ironic again that you simply target white people (no doubt a symptom of your own bigoted racism), when most heterosexual people will agree with those “nazis”, regardless of creed or race. You also once again use the word “TERF” which targets another group you wish to see gone, yet don’t comprehend that you are committing the same atrocities as those you chastise….Hypocrisy must certainly not exist in your vocabulary.
All of the worlds consequences are because of your own ridiculous actions! You chose to let science morph you into something that go against nature! You somehow believed your brain was different, when countless times your side has insisted that male and female brains are the same, and that stereotypes that differentiate sex are sexist. So what exactly are changing to? Nothing given your sides logic.
Anyone who says "I am always right" demonstrates a fundamental incuriosity in the way they think, which almost always means that they're... not right.
I've heard appeals to personal incredulity or personal disgust, but never personal infallibility.
Well she is always right....wing
She says "I never lose" but has she ever won something?
@@winterviveca5976 It could be describe as her catch phrase; which is not supposed to be taken literally.
@@winterviveca5976 She won the genetic lottery of being actual female lol
She paints the Conspiracy as both weak and small, and overwhelmingly powerful and pervasive. That's one of Umberto Eco's 14 Points of Fascism.
Its also classic nazis
On the bright side, she might drive people away with her unsubtle ways. Let's hope so.
thats bc she's literally just a neo nazi
In the real world that we live in, it can be easly observed that KJK is a working class mum of 4 children who became involved in the women's movement because of her experience at a women's section of the British Labour Party (a socialist party) which she was a member of. I suspect what you are observing ,at least in part, is her very combataive language which is a product of her natural speech pattern, which middle class people might find unfamiliar and possibly might offend some people's sensibilities. Some times if you try hard enought you will find what ever you want to find.
@@kathleenpearson-dh9od
Does her working-class status explain this? 1:06:54
Before she started picking on trans people, KJK’s target was Muslims. Her cosying up to fascists is not surprising behaviour.
Maybe just like the TRAs they also hate women?!
both of you in the replies just made things up to be mad about and it's not anyone's job to have to take you seriously
They got bored with Muslims after 24 wrapped up. Needed something fresh.
She's just a bad person
You know who really picks on trans people? ... Muslims
The openly admitting to saying they're a fascist, and then say it's a joke when someone points it out is the weirdest thing. Especially because people fall for it.
It's actually a fairly common rhetorical tactic
used by fascists.
Schrodinger's douchebag
"Did I mention we’d spent the whole century before 2016 telling everyone who could paste two words together to make a feeling that only STEM mattered, only STEM had any value as a field of study, and anyone who did anything but STEM were wastes of flesh, money, oxygen, and the flickering, mysterious spark of ever-escaping life that animated them? And at the same time we spent the about 20 years before that going all in on “ironic detachment” and “fluent in sarcasm” until every word out of the mouth of anyone even tangentially cool meant the exact opposite of the actual words they were using? HM WHAT COULD THE INEVITABLE RESULT OF THAT POSSIBLY BE? Could it be…a generation and a half having a real struggletime with basic history, critical thinking, analysis, recognizing rhetorical fuckery, and the goddamned concept of objective reality? And also a subset of that generation who wasn’t any good at STEM but were good at all that other stuff and desperately hungered for some kind of validation?"
-Catherynne M. Valente, "Take My Life, Please: The Media's Will They/Won't They Love Affair with American Fascism Prepares For Its Terrible Wedding Night", 2024-02-16
I’m joking if you disagree with me, I’m serious if you agree with me
This is called "Schrodinger's Douchebag" - The offensive asshole is just joking when someone takes offense, and genuinely serious when someone agrees with them.
KJK focusing on the "horrificness" of being sterile -- either saying she want to protect young trans men from being sterilized or advocating for forced sterilization as a punishment for people she doesn't like -- is giving me flashbacks to my early 20s.
When I was 17, I was diagnosed with cancer and went through chemotherapy as part of my treatment. There we certain people who would look me in the face and tell me I should've just let the cancer kill me rather then agree to a treatment that would sterilize me. It seems ridiculous, but there are people who are so obsessed by the mere idea of women's fertility that they would wish a cancer survivor dead to their face for being a cancer survivor. It's no wonder KJK doesn't care if if abortion rights are lost. She truly believes that women are breeding machines and should drop dead after go they through menopause because they are "useless" after that point. The fact that anyone could think this woman cares about women's rights or is a feminist is beyond absurd.
God I’m so sorry you had to go through that, mate 🫂
Fr!! And it’s the assumption too that trans men are incapable of making that choice for themselves. As if they’re just “delusional women”. Not everyone aspires to have children and personally as an acearo trans masc I hope to adopt one day. Which is always an overlooked, needed and incredibly valid option these crowds overlook.
It’s horrifying how people would rather have Afab trans people live repressing their identities just for the possibility of them having biological children.
@@wyomingfrenchfry1733as an ace trans guy who fuckin hates kids, every time a transphobe says "but what if you change your mind?", I gain +15 attack
My mom had to have her uterus removed after giving birth to me and got much of the same from her husband's Catholic family for it. Meanwhile my sister who kept a biblically *fucked* set of reproductive organs and has risked her life to have a kid three times now is so horrible at being a mother that she will scream me down for talking to her son instead of physically dragging him around during a meltdown.
She only had a child to validate herself as a woman, but *I'm* the demographic that's grooming kids.
@@thatguyinthecorner4648 I hope her kids are doing alright, having to deal with a mother like that.
It's so weird how transphobes keep making the transphobia movement look bad.... /s
They’re doing the Lord’s work, bless ‘em 😂
Sadly, it only looks bad to us. To their target audience, it looks like they're a heroic rebel fighting against the corrupt system or whatever the fuck.
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter nah, when there's neo-nazis coming to your rally that looks really bad to the moderates, which is what really matters most here
@@imveryangryitsnotbutter Moderates who don’t have opinions on the subject certainly won’t be too kind to the people allying themselves with literal Neo-Nazis lol Optics is everything
@@Ann-mj4xn I'll never forget the cope where transphobes went on Fox to defend nazis turning up at their rally and were saying "even the nazis agree with us"
As if their movement isn't inherently fascistic, but is just so common sense that nazis have to agree with them. Hilariously stupid response.
Weird how non-fascists don't turn up tho.... 🤔
"I'm worried about childrens bodies"
Not even the whole child Kelly?
What a ghoul
Its such a self tell.
"Think of the children!"
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"Uhhh, you can stop thinking about the children now."
Of course they only care about the body. These people think that children are the property of the people who put their genes together to make them.
@@imveryangryitsnotbutterplaying Red Light Green Light with child safety... Literally considering the driving 😂😂
Considering how much they care about "children's fertility" I can see why
As a Jew, I really do want to thank you for bringing up the connections between transphobia and antisemitism. The two bigotries are intrinsically linked, and it’s important for marginalized communities of all kinds to stand together in fighting bigotry everywhere.
Also as a Jew, I am so goddamn tired of conspiracy theories and bigotries boiling down to what I’ll term “protocols of the elders of Zion on ice”. It’s not only abhorrent, terrifying, and reprehensible - it’s also just boring at this point. The least bigots and conspiracy theorists could do is come up with something original rather than just endlessly remixing the work of a bunch of long dead antisemitic tsarists.
@@wadtony123 Tony. Don't be a bigot. Just go away.
@@wadtony123 Yes, a lot of stereotypes against trans people were copied-and-pasted from antisemitism, Waddington. I'm sorry that reality offends you. Actually, I'm sorry that it _only_ offends you - personally, I think that it should do much worse.
@@wadtony123 Of COURSE you pretend that homophobia and antisemitism don't exist in predominantly-white countries, just because gay and Jewish people are predominantly white.
Nope, "trans women are women" refers to gender identity, not biological sex. Of you are too stupid to understand the difference between self-identification and real chromosomes, that's YOUR problem.
And we already determined that trans women do not lie about their own biology. I mean, think about it: if you were right, and trans women wanted to be treated as people with XX chromosomes and a vagina despite not having those things, _why are there biological requirements that trans women must pass in order to access women's spaces? Biologocal requirements that were imposed_ *_by trans women???_*
Hey can you pull some strings with the Jewish cabal and get them to wire me like, $10. I lost a bet recently. Thanks.
SO STUPID! LMFAO!
trans person here, found out this year my mum is a watcher of parker's streams and content. tried to warn her about how she's cozying up to fascists and stuff but she isn't having any of it. parker's ideologies must feel like the validation of my mother's anti-trans views and how i'm trying to convince her "2+2 is 5" in her words. sincerely thank you shaun, this video makes me feel like i'm not going crazy.
I hope that you're safe and your living conditions aren't dependant on your mom in any way ❤
My mum watches Blair white, and my father watches Joe Rogan and the daily wire
…I'm a trans woman
We are in the same boat :(
Fuck that's horrible, hope you have a safe place to go
might be worthwhile to share this video (or one like it) with her. doubtful she'd listen, but having sources lined up like this are often hard to refute when directly confronted, assuming she isn't the 'deny deny deny' type.
I know this might be bleak but if it really doesn't work anymore cutting off the contact is an option. I had to do it with my parents. Was very hard being completely on your own but overall it was a good thing for my life
She really said, “I can excuse racism, but I draw the line at allowing trans women to use the bathroom.”
One of the fascists running for the Republican presidential nomination said he quit working on the cure for cancer because the place was too woke for him. Sadly, I could see Trump picking this guy as his VP.
She can also excuse statutory rape and domestic violence, don't forget those.
@@matthewwhiteside4619Don't you know? Grape is a gift
Ikr like it's almost like trans Women have Bladders, how dare they🙄 /s
@@MaryamofShomal, the right complains about cancel culture, but that guy cancelled the entire company 😅
Where can I find this?
I want to laugh at this guy a bit.
Oh my god I knew the name was familiar. She turned up in New Zealand a couple months ago and made the mistake of peddling her hateful shit in public places. Well, we weren't going to let that opportunity go to waste now were we? The protests were INSANE. The woman got doused with juice, drowned out, quit her Auckland event and cancelled her Wellington event.
I think I was more proud of my country in that moment than any other. We don't care who you are, we don't care what your status is. If you play stupid games we'll give you stupid prizes.
You had us at LOTR, New Zealand: you had us at LOTR.
You guys are awesome, never change!
Despite cancelling the Wellington event, the planned counter protest still had over 4000+ people attend according to the organizer's estimates as well.
What’s it like living In middle earth??
Kudos all around. Y'all the real ones 👏👏👏
I can't get over how special KJK thinks she is that she thinks she's the only one who's right. The children are indoctrinated, "their parents are indoctrinated, their schools are indoctrinated, the doctors are indoctrinated". Basically everyone who disagrees with her is indoctrinated. She really thinks she's one of the smartest person in the world that only she and a select few can "see the truth" and everyone else is wrong.
And yet, at the same time, she claims that the vast majority of people agrees with her, amd are just "too scared of the TransAgenda (tm) to speak out".
Thats conspiracy nuts and grifters for ya.. its just depressing man.
Pennycook, Gordon, et al. “Overconfidently Conspiratorial: Conspiracy Believers Are Dispositionally Overconfident and Massively Overestimate How Much Others Agree with Them.” PsyArXiv, 5 Dec. 2022. Web.
Yeah I mean, it couldn't possibly be that she's just wrong about trans people. It has to be that all the medical institutions that support trans healthcare procedures, doctors, biologists, and basically anyone who's pro-trans are all indoctrinated and controlled by an evil group of trans-elites. Far more simple explanation.
Her ego prevents her from admitting to being wrong.
not the grossest thing she's done by far, but making fun of people for their income when she's a professional grifter is pretty gross
What's so ludicrous about that, I've heard some anti-trans idiots claiming she's some kind of hero to working class women...I mean what? I swear, these people have a nerve saying that it's trans people who live in a fantasy land.
All the while describing herself as "working class"
The mums net crowd all shop at waitrose anyway.
I've seen her house (she lives not far from me), she's not working class for shit. Private driveway and everything. Working class people also generally don't have a dedicated private hate cave in their house to fill with tat when they film their disgusting rants on 4K cameras while bathed in fancy lighting and wearing expensive make-up.
The term grifter is so dumb
This week, after many, many years of hiding it, I came out to my family. As a trans woman in the UK, I am scared for my future. I just wanted to thank you for fighting so hard on behalf of myself and countless others in this country. Your cool-headed rationalism and meticulous research speak far louder than any fascist with a megaphone. You're an inspiration. Keep up the good work.
Good luck with transphobia Island. 🙏
@@Fleshdeficiency I intend to flee this hellhole as soon as I am able to obtain a passport with my correct gender on it. Not a huge fan of existing in a country led by a man who routinely legislates against my human rights.
Things are really bad for trans people here in the US, too. I'm cis, but I'm keeping my ear to the ground on this anti-trans stuff. The Nazis started their campaign of terror with targeting LGBTQ people prior to World War II. Republicans in the US are increasingly starting to resemble said Nazis prior to World War II. Hence my deep concern. I'm not familiar with your politics, but I imagine the situation is similar across the pond, because I know you have more than your share of horrible conservatives in your government same as us.
I see what's happening, and I won't be silent about it. Just wanted you to know there are people outside of your community (besides Shaun of course) who will advocate for you.
sending love
Well done! Proud of you!
I find it fascinating how she *struggles* trying to pretend she does not endorse fascism.
Looks less like a struggle and more like death throes to me.
It's a good sign of society that people are still shameful about embracing fascism/racism when they would otherwise throw themselves in headfirst. We've been resting on that for the last few decades though, and it's been wearing away
"I don't support them, but I'm totally happy to welcome them at my events, I'd be glad to work with them because I'll work with anyone and I encourage them to break into women's bathrooms, ARMED." Very believable.
Perhaps she should write a book about her struggle. I'm sure her friends could help her come up with a snappy title.
I find it fascinating how this video is a whopping 2 hours long and mentions n@zis twice...
It literally says it in the title???
Image watching a 2 hour video on forest fires and the uploader mentions it for about 5 min...
Same with "super cars" 2 hour videos but mentions ferraris and lamborghinis a few times...
My mum recently became a terf and this is the first time I’ve been able to put a name to the face I keep seeing on her iPad. Everything you say is Kellie’s beliefs are verbatim what my mum says. Real sad shit, especially since 2/3 of her kids are queer.
There's a reason why people call it TERF-brainrot. It really takes over their entire personality and just turns them into a paranoid, hateful monster.
@@Astra7525every single transphobe I've met is absolutely obsessed with trans people and their genitals. It is terrifying.
@@Astra7525 The irony of them calling us trans folk sheep. Literally, yet to meet a group of trans folk that are as similar to each other as TERFs are to ther TERFs.
You should get her to watch this video.
@@itcouldbelupus2842 Trust me, we've tried
Just a het, cis man here, but I just wanted to say that I think your rigorous defence of trans folk and methodical demolition of transphobes is just wonderful.
I wish you did more videos, but if fairly infrequent uploads is the price we pay to get a near two hour long video like this, which must take an incredible amount if work, then it's all good with me.
Uninformed, low-grade tanky nonsense.
@@lordhallibel3604well that's just simply wrong, it is a real thing. cis- is a Latin word meaning 'side of'.
also the bird is the word. word.
@bgirlpamsolo just to add a little bit more: cis is Latin for _same_ side, specifically. A famous ancient example would be the Romans saying cis-Alpine and trans-Apline to denote lands "on our side of the Alpines" or "across the Alpines from us," respectively.
One transits, transplants, or transitions from one place/side to another. Not just travel in general; the root meaning is all about _crossing a divide._ Could be a mountain, a continent, a river, or a gender.
Sorry to go on for so long but I wanted to give some examples of how cis is an ordinary classical Latin word with an ordinary functional meaning, to combat the propaganda that it's a new word "invented by PC warriors to slur normal people" as one often hears.
Love your pfp
@@suzboneWell y'know, if they complain, we could always just offer to use the greek prefix instead and call them "homogender". Surely they wouldn't have a problem with that, right?
her talking about the "elite, sinister group of people in power" is so eerily close to a nazi's description of jewish people and its absolutely mortifying as a jewish trans person
He mentions this at 1:21:00 it's why in particular the neonazi are attracted to her rhetoric, they're filling in the gaps in her conspiratorial logic.
@@pr0ntab They aren't "filling in the gaps". Well, not like that. She *deliberately* left those gaps to be filled in with precisely what they fill them in with.
She knows what she's doing. She is getting precisely what she means to.
The fact there's a lot of blatant antisemitism coming from the UK GCs is no accident either. Bigots don't tend to be single issue bigots, they just focus on one at a time to erode support for their targets and so make us easier to pick off one by one as our mutual supports dissolve.
@@GeneralBolas Not just gaps, her tirades are _full_ of anti-Semitic conspiracy theory dogwhistles. While Shaun didn't really dig into it, the "sterilization" rhetoric she uses is also an anti-Semitic dogwhistle, originating from the Great Replacement conspiracy theory.
The TERF-to-Nazi pipeline is both very real and very short
always so funny when “gender critical” people complain about nazis in their spaces like honey the call is coming from inside the anti drag rally
“gender criticals” will use nazi rhetoric verbatim n then go “noooooooo we don’t know those guys I swear!!” girl come on.
Nazis loved cross-dressing back in the day
Keeping drag queens away from kids isn't a Nazi talking point, though. You can still support rights for no heteronormative people while keeping burlesque performers away from kids. And before you ask, yes, I also believe that kids don't belong in Hooters either.
@@linagreenlyfe6705 1. to fascists, “normal” trans people dressing how they want and crossdressers/drag queens/kings are the same thing. for more information on this overlap I recommend researching the first trans clinic, magnus hirschfeld’s institute for sexual research, and how it was one of the first nazi targets
2. drag and burlesque, while often overlapping, are two different artforms. drag isn’t inherently sexual (and it doesn’t even require dressing up as a different gender) - all it is is a performance of something mundane heightened to a comedic level. sure, the mundane thing is often sexuality, but it can be literally anything. you could do a 100% sfw drag routine about grocery shopping if you elevated the concept enough
I understand the misconception that all drag is burlesque (and as a performer of both I definitely get it! there’s a lot of crossover), but the reality is a lot more complicated. I understand the worry of exposing kids to adult spaces too, but the truth is adult spaces will keep children out on their own (they’ll keep adults out too! I can’t perform at/visit half the drag venues I know of because I’m not of drinking age) and when it comes to the internet, what your kid has access to is your business, not ours. if anything, queer adult spaces are MUCH stricter with these rules than say, hooters, because we’re under ten times as much scrutiny. trust me, with the world already presuming that queer/trans people are groomers (another nazi talking point, who would’ve guessed) we‘re trying to provide as little ammunition to that crowd as possible
Lmao true
the KJK apologists still commenting things like "she just wants to protect women" and "she's never said anything hateful" under this specific video where they are *directly proven to be lying* are giving me a headache
The core issue is that they just don’t think it’s hate. When KJK spews her bile, all they hear is “hard truths.” They genuinely think transphobia is good for society, and it’s really hard to reason with someone who fundamentally believes that the harm they’re causing is actually saving lives
@@GloomdrakeI think you are almost correct, but I think you misunderstand a bit their reasons for saying these things.
The cruelty is the point. All the talk about saving lives, protecting women, and being good for society are external justifications. They are only using them to justify their actions to other people. Internally though? They act like this because they enjoy the cruelty of it, and they enjoy it because it gives them power.
This one @kathleenpearson-dh9od account has been spending a few weeks in here doing basically this
@@LeBonkJordanShe was doing it last time I was here... like 6 months ago
@@ninjoshday She posted here again 17 hours ago. That is just sad.
Things I love about this video: Conscientious research and strong writing
A genuine display of allyship
Ripping apart Neo Nazis and transphobed
A British person using the word 'cheeky'
There is probably more serial kilers in Britain than genuine Neo-Nazis in one of the most open and tolerent nations on the face of the earth. Iam not awear that there is anything to rip apart concerning Nazis. This has absolutely nothing to do with fighting against the erosion and violation of women's sex based rights. Constantly and deliberately juxtapositioning the women's movement with the word Nazi on the most ridiculous and lamest and vaguest pretext is an appalling act of dishonesty. You are knowningly attempting to associste ordinary innocent working class women with some of the most evil people in human history. This is just grossly immoral character assassination in order to silence the voice of women who believe their sex based rights are being erased by men pretending to be women and claiming the sex based rights of women. You fetish with nazism is no substitute for an intelligent, coherent and civil argument addressing the real issue concerning the dismantling of women's rights by a harmful nihistic ideology being propogated from the politically capture academia and the social sciences. You rely on character assassination to hide the fact that transgenderism can not and will not survive close examination of any kind.
Nice dog whistle
Kellie-Jay Keen's response as to why so many Nazis attended her event is comedy gold, it was basically: "Those weren't MY Nazis! Someone must have misplaced them..."
the great misplacement
I've also heard the excuse, "They were leftist plants!" Which is the same thing Jan 6th deniers say.
@@bravetherainbowLMFAOOOO
"I was just holding them for a friend."
@@M_M_ODonnell holding them nice and close, because she loves a nazi in a uniform
I'm a trans man who started transitioning when my kids were 5 and 2 years old. I have no idea how that is in any way child abuse. They went from having a depressed and suicide-ideating parent to a parent who is happy and takes them to trampoline parks. My relationship with my husband got better, our entire family dynamic got better.
Almost like we're a family and we love and care about each other.
Happy for you and your family!
in my personal experience, kids are the least bothered or confused by people transitioning - even close family members, as you know firsthand @austinluther5825 ❤
@@anteep4900it's really so simple a child can understand... the "wtf" here goes to you.
That's awesome!
@@suzbone Yeah really kids will just like switch pronouns pretty easily too, they are not bothered by it, just saying its who I really am or I'm being my true self or it just is what makes me happy & most kids if not raised by bigots seem to not care.
No one in the comments is talking about how wild it is that she calls herself working class but then makes fun of the poor. The hypocrisy is deep. What a hateful, hateful, woman. Thanks Shaun for what you do- these people need to be called out.
Omg yes I noticed that. People love the “aesthetic” of the working class but are also gladly willing to make life for actual working class people harder than it has to be
She is an absolute garbage human being in so many ways.
card says moops
@@LeBonkJordanI understood that reference
Example?
I believe you, I'd like to see it though as I don't have twitter.
It's so telling that she does the "anyone who's less feminine than me is gross but anyone who's more feminine than me is a tryhard" thing. Definitely no internalized misogyny going on there.
@@wadtony123No, she actually did say what the comment suggests, and you've just presented a deflection from that. I'm sure you'll say how "it's not important" or something.
@@wadtony123Um, yeah. What, you don't understand English now? I mean, probably, seeing as you still can't differentiate between gender and sex no matter how much you've been told.
@wadtony123 you still, whiteknighting for this bitch?
@@wadtony123 You should be happy about the trans movement -- gender abolition is the next step.
@wadtony123 You're a nobody.
No one cares what you believe just as you don't care about religions.
Stop being a narcissist.
But you're so close. Gender is a cultural construct, true.
That's part of what validates Trans People.
Plus ghe over 300 studies that prove the Biological Validity of Trans People.
It's not a mental illness, nor a fad.
They're real people, and you're just being a bigot.
nothing more comical than hearing her saying stuff like 'I don't disavow anybody!!' when referring to neo-nazis while her whole thing is wishing for the eradication of a harmless group she just personally doesn't like. lmao
Hell they had police and security pushing and dragging away more than one counter protest on the days here in Australia, including a first nations senator at one. I don't always agree with Lidia Thorpe politically, but to hear them claim free speech while opposing the speech of a cis Aboriginal woman is... I don't think hypocritical is a strong enough word for it.
@@cericat These people are salivating at the precedent of getting to call cis women of colour men. Today a human rights court ruled that Caster Semanya, a cis, black intersex woman and athlete, was treated unfairly when she was denied the right to compete in 2019. In response TERF groups have been openly calling Semanya a man (as well as "wrong" and "diseased"), ridiculing her appearance with racist smears, and insisting she "fathered" her children with her wife. The broadening of the attack on trans people to women of colour isn't collateral damage, it's an intended product of their ideology and it makes me sick.
Her: “Let women speak!”
Also her: “all women who stand in my way will be annihilated.”
Whenever I see cis women on Twitter standing up against these anti-trans accounts, they get shouted down and called "handmaid" and other derogatory things. The hypocrisy of it all.
And I'm still not sure how they read/watched the Handmaid's Tale and came away with the impression the Handmaids are the bad guys...
also "I can handle other opinions like a big adult!"
along with if you stand in my way you will be annihilated.
speak first, annihilation later
@@coosoorlog I suppose she has to let them speak to know who to target with harassment, hatred and violence
She means, "Let all _true_ women speak!" You see, no _true_ woman would disagree with her.
(Sarcasm, by the way, referring to the "true Scotsman" fallacy.)
I am somewhat curious about her relationship with her children and husband. Caelan Conrad has spent months in private Gender Critical Facebook groups and has hundreds of screenshots of GCs complaining about losing friends and family members over their increasingly disturbing obsession with trans people (well, they call it "commitment" but you know). It seems the way transphobia completely consumes GCs lives makes them unpleasant to be with even for people who aren't trans-affirming themselves. Transphobic livestreams are KJKs dayjob, like Shaun said, and she runs her own merch store on top of that, it must take up a massive chunk of her time. Not to mention her frequent "tours". I wonder what her family thinks of all that.
The fact that we don't see her pulling them in, trad-wife style, indicates to me that they might not be too happy / on-board with her personal fashy crusade.
Something I have observed is that, once someone gets a taste of the GC rush, it slowly but surely becomes the only thing they talk about, especially online. I can't remember her name but I remember going on a random anti-trans journalist's Twitter and counting how many of the first 20 tweets were related to trans people. It was 15-17!
I thought about how it would seem if someone pulled the reverse on me, and counted how much I complained about anti-trans people in the most recent 20 tweets I've published, and I would like to think it would only be about 5-8 at the most. Even though I'm passionate about trans rights, there's only so much I can focus on the opposition at any given time before it's just too much.
Then there are people like Graham Linekin, and maybe to a lesser extent Ricky Gervais (since he's always been...outspoken), who used to create and write shows about lots of different things that they were interested in, but since their obsession with trans people began, their creative output has significantly dropped. It seems as though Graham mostly dedicates his time to writing articles whining about trans people existing. Don't really know what Gervais does nowadays, but from the sound of it his hatred of trans people is worming its way into more of his stand up stuff. It would almost be sad, if they weren't vile people.
@@goingunder2548 The other day I impulsively decided to tally up how many tweets JK Rowling made or retweeted in one week. I counted 60 within a 5 day period and gave up. Out of those, maybe 2 or 3 *weren't* related to trans hate.
Some days were fuller tham others, but she averaged 12 tweets/shares per day and I just think: what else does she actually have in her life? I can't imagine being actively online for that long over the same topic day in day out, does she even have normal conversations anymore irl? It really is sad (or would be if she weren't so commited to hate)
She and Graham will meet one day on the sad dating app for transphobes and it will be a perfect match made in hell.
I know this was a year ago, but something interesting happened related to this.
A woman who was pretty much KJK's social media manager quit and left her because she kept refusing to credit her, never appreciated her work, and frequently bad-mouthed young people (she was in her early 20s which is why she was tech savvy enough to help this boomer with her hate campaign) at her rallies and in her videos. As transphobic as she was (her husband is a Kiwi Farms user), she was genuinely upset that KJK was so ungrateful and unappreciative of everything she'd done for her and left. KJK is such an unpleasant person to be around, she can't even keep her most transphobic and most ardent supporters around. It's like she treats anyone and anything purely as a tool to be used for her agenda.
One of the things TH-camrs do that I hate the most is when they go "there are many things I could say about this matter but I won't because the video would be too long", and it's truly always such a pleasure hear Shawn say "there are many things I could say, and I am going to".
I AM WILLING to sit through hours long videos. ALWAYS. My favourite genre of TH-cam video is “very long, and not sorry about it”
@@agooseinpeopleclothes, I'm hoping you've discovered The Leftist Cooks then. Their "What's the deal with all these weird right wing identities" is not super long, but it's one of my favorite video essays.
Most people don’t have two hours to spare though.
If Jtube permits it, I can say many things and still keep my channel.
@@jamesdragonforce
The pause button exists and TH-cam remembers where you left off in a video, lol
As a Trans Jew, the merging of these groups is both so unsurprising and so terrifying.
Edit: thank you to everyone who has been validating Trans identities in this comment thread.
As another youtuber put it: "Bigotry is intersectional" (at least in the regards of most bigots of one type will readily also hate more)
A trans Jew? Is that like a trans woman? So you're a pretend Jew?
Out of curiosity, how can you adhere to your faith while it’s actively opposed to your identity unless you really twist interpretations around
@@kutkuknightThere are secular Jews, you know
I feel like such a moron, because I read this and my brain was genuinely baffled as to why you would say 'trans jew' and not 'jewish convert' 😅
I need my coffee before I log on lol
So kids shouldn't have access to contraceptives AND abortions
Aka
She wants to force children to carry to term.
Insane.
Oh and they'll probably kill the baby anyways in someway, since we all know how pro-lifers are adamant about babies after being born
Yeah, that's basically what the Right wants by banning all those stuff.
Things gets way more evil when you consider they don't care about what happens to the baby after they're born or whether or not the kid survives the experience of childbirth.
Fascists, even the women among them, see women as little more than breeding stock
That also forces children with medical conditions to go without needed medicine. I need my birth control, for example, or my endometriosis causes me so much pain I can't get out of bed.
Not saying this is any more or less an issue, just adding it to the awful pile
Kids shouldn't need those things in a perfect world. I understand your point but you should be more accurate with your language because this comment can be easily misinterpreted by bad faith idiots
Prior to my coming out nonbinary at 25, I was cornered in the women's restroom at 15 because I looked like a guy. I was wearing a baggy hoodie and jeans and my hair was short. It was terrifying. So yea, attacking people in the restroom because you "think they're trans" is fucked up.
@@wadtony123 And now you are advocating against looking androgynous. Man, literally every comment you write demonstrates that you're basically a Christian anti-feminist.
@@wadtony123 That is actually interesting here: *When* did the trans craze start, according to you?
@@wadtony123 More lies and/or total ignorance as usual I see. The initialism LGBT has been around since the late 80's, and been widely used since the early 90's. And trans women were actually part of the original Stonewall uprising, so the T have literally always been a part of Stonewall. The massive surge in transphobia in the UK during recent years seemed to be triggered when the Tories (Oh the irony!) under Theresa May wanted to streamline the process of obtaining a GRC.
@@wadtony123 "After gay marriage had been achieved"
Oh man, my guess was right: *Of course* you were going to say that it was only after gay marriage had been legalized that the TrAnSgEnDeR IdEoLoGy became a problem.
Curiously exactly the moment when public sentiment turned towards gay acceptance and the right-wing christian fundamentalists "Gay Scare" became a losing proposition, that's when it became a problem for you. The moment when they desperately needed a new boogeyman and just filed off the serial numbers on the The Gay Scare for their new Trans Scare campaign, *that's* when you started to have VaLiD cOnCeRnS!!11 regarding the Trans Question.
Gimme a break, Tony. Who buys this bullshit?
It is so nakely transparent that they are just running the same Fear-campaign, but with the labels switched to say "Transes" this time around. The added benefit is of course that they can now recruit useful-idiot Ls and Gs for their hate-movement to drive a wedge into the LGBTQ-movement, despite their ideology explicitly designating them (Gays and Lesbians) for extermination as well. It's the same playbook that white supremacy has always used to protects its power (see: Irish immigrants in the US "becoming" White to prevent solidarity with Black people).
@@Astra7525 I'm not defending wadtony but speaking of "white supremacy playbook" your rhetoric is straight out of the mra/anti-feminist playbook
I think the part about historical Nazis persecuting LGBTQ activists and supressing/destroying gender research should be its own video, it's very important to understanding current events and might be lost in the larger context of KJs personality, views and connections
It’s such a heart breaking episode, and definitely needs more visibility. We could be so much further on in our understanding and science if the life’s work of those researchers was not desecrated.
It’s sad when you consider that Germany (especially Berlin) was such a progressive, liberated place during the Weimar years and was ahead of its time both culturally and scientifically…then only to fall to Hitler and the Nazis with only 33% of the vote.
People seemed to have forgotten how quickly fascism can destroy an entire continent.
It is unfortunate that it isn't talked more in history.
@@MaryamofShomal And then to remember that there's now fascists in the US trying the first step of burning books by at least first banning them after government control to check the content of these books to prevent any "controversial content" from reaching minors, and people not realizing what part of history basically had the predecessor to this and why that should cause massive protests.
After the January 6th coup-attempt, when I hear people who make the remark (in discussions about my concerns about governments wanting to gather increasing amounts of data about their citizens for no good reason and I say that I am concerned what could happen with all that data when there's a rapid shift in government power) that "A country doesn't suddenly loose control over itself" I tend to now say "It took "the best country in the world" less than 4 years..."
I have seen some great TH-cam videos about this time, that man & these issues.
I can't remember any names thou.
As a trans guy, thanks so much for your unrelenting, detailed, and unequivocal defense of trans people. It's so disheartening to see so many cis liberals and even leftists more than willing to throw trans people onto the fire in order to support more "important" issues.
I loved your very explicit connections between transphobia and other forms of bigotry. Because they _are_ all linked. The queer community has been talking, yelling, and even pleading with people to take our cause seriously. Not just for our own sake but because it's the lynch pin of accelerating human rights losses across the board.
Everyone was so horrified at the fall of Roe v Wade. I'm not saying that a stronger stance on trans rights would have changed that. But if 4 years ago when the acceleration of anti-trans legislation started to kick in people had taken action, reproductive rights in many states would be in better situations. Because right wing legislators would either have lost their positions or be afraid to go after women's rights due to the obvious consequences faced when they went after trans rights. But liberals did little to nothing when it was the rights of a tiny and highly otherized group. And then lamented how they lost on Roe, are losing on labour, and losing on racial equality.
Liberals are unable and unwilling to construct a coherent historical narrative in their heads. Every event must be totally atomized and considered without context. A willing, pernicious, malignant ignorance.
Otherwise they would have to confront their complicity and collaboration in the all-sorts of evils that under gird their life and position in society. And that would really harsh the vibe, man.
You're absolutely right. I've been working to make some family members understand how serious we need to take these extremists.
There's no question what they want, and we must stand against their hate.
On a different point, I have seen their threat framed as an attack on "body autonomy," a perspective which includes individual rights, self-determination, healthcare and privacy. For me gaining knowledge and perspective is helping me be a better advocate.
It's not about trans issues not being "important." They're critically important. It's just insanity to support an anti-woman, anti-science, anti-gay, anti-reality, anti-reason hate cult that sterilises children for being gay and/or autistic, and uses violence as a core tactic to silence critics.
@@erinmcdonald7781 I'm close to a bodily autonomy absolutist. I even support the rights of anti-vaxxers.
Don't get me wrong, I disagree 100% with anti-vaxxers, think it's highly dangerous, and that consequences are absolutely reasonable. But I don't believe anyone should be mandated to or proscribed from doing almost anything to their body as an informed adult.
In many ways I think it's the strongest argument for trans rights. But I don't think it's the most persuasive. Excluding truly hateful bigots and religious extremists, a more humanist approach I believe is more effective.
I honestly use my own existence as my argument. I come out as a trans guy to ... everyone. And break the stereotype (widely untrue) of an overly sensitive, aggressive, extremist trans activist. And when I get comments like, "Wow. You are so chill. I thought trans people were all intense all the time," I grit my teeth, smile, and say, "Well that stereotype isn't very accurate. Let me know if you ever meet a trans person like that. I've never met one and I bet they'd be interesting." (Cue forced chuckle.)
And yes, I have my moments of bitterness over it. But most times it's better, more effective to be politic than vehemently corrective. That's what we need cis allies for!
@@CorwinFoundagree to disagree about the vaccines. Mandated vaccines are sometimes necessary to slow down or even stop the spread of diseases. How else do you think we basically managed to eradicate polio? Or smallpox? It certainly wasn’t by just not vaccinating someone when they didn’t want to be.
Never apologising is I think one of the underlying psychological draws of fascism. The amount of fash I've seen saying they'll never apologise for anything is nuts. Without fail when I've seen someone say that they've turned out to have horrid views
If your followers are unshakably convinced of the righteousness of the cause, they are willing to commit the most horrible crimes in its name. It's *instrumental* for projects like the Holocaust to be possible.
edit: oh boy, I seem to attracted a reply-guy... begone pest.
It is both something they avoid, and something they avoid tactically. Admittance of wrongdoing is counterproductive and dangerous to an ideology of feelings-driven hierarchical bullying and cowardice. Truth is not a value worth pursuing, it is a just a term used for convenience and in complete contradiction. There are no values at the bottom of absolute hatred.
Has Contra apologised for his anti-feminist rant that ended up being an anti-non-binary rant too?
i dont think is that, the non apology-ism is more about being insecure, wich can or not lead to political facism
@@FreeTheDonbasgo away troll
Remember kids, if your event has nazis in it and they ARENT being mauled by every single person there the minute they walk in, you're holding a nazi rally!
This, unironically.
facts
Insert the group of people and a nazi thing here, I cant be bothered
They were obviously theaspians as real Naz@is do not really exist. I wonder who hired this traveling troup. I strongly suspect they were from some radical NGO . Spoting a Naz@i is as rare as stoping big foot and just as real.
Hear, hear
Twitter bot: "You deserve to be tweeted with care and understanding. I care about you."
her: "wow you're so edgy"
Empathy is officially edgy now guys, we did it
Hello, I am a bot, I cannot have a discussion about other topics as I'm limited by my programmer.
"see, you dumb and brainwashed"
*Scientist Stock Photo*
Finally,
Apathetic Empathy
well, guess that explains it.
@@aribantala can't believe they made red vox in real life
KJK, Matt Walsh, Trump, Elon Musk, Tucker Carlson, Joanne KKK Rowling, etc.... all conservatives have zero empathy for anyone other than themselves. They can only change their mind about social issues if the bigotry happens TO THEM but when it happens to innocent people they don't give a single shit.
Hey, I’m sorry but as a trans woman, I’m having trouble watching this video, I know it is very important, interesting and alarming, but it is a quite difficult for me to watch people debate if I should exist or anything.
I still want to support you tho so that’s what the comment is for :)
Any way, see you later, dudes, gals and non-binary pals.
It's definitely a hard watch, it makes sense to avoid and take care of oneself. All the best.
I am a cis woman and it was very difficult even for me so I can't even begin to imagine how it would have been for you. Take care of yourself and sit this one out ❤️
Honestly, good call, I just hope you made the call to stop watching before you got to the really bad bits
I can't imagine how difficult it must be for you but understand why you'd not be able to watch it. I watched the whole thing and I would only want you to know that it is an incredibly powerful video that can only do good. It has given me a ton of knowledge and is watertight in its message. The final segment is chilling but the way Sean uses it to plea to cis people to be vigilant is masterfully done. I hope this reaches many people who might need it.
This is so real. Not with this video, but indeed has happened. I usually leave the video playing in the background muted. And drop comments like you ❤
She's literally willing to throw all of her own rights out the window--her bodily autonomy, her equal standing in society, and even privacy in the bathroom all because she decided she likes her 3-word definition of "woman" so much. She thinks being called a woman and trans women not being called women is so important, I don't doubt she'd let any/all women hang to protect it. It's truly unhinged to the point that I can understand why other hateful people are like, "Oh, her? No, no, no! She's nuts!" while actively waving swastika flags.
My family lost some acquaintances (a kind, friendly white couple) because the wife is a single-issue voter (at least that's what she said) and supported Orange Foolius as a result, and that was regarding ab/rtion. This is a nurse and doctor couple, btw.
She's literally the imaginary woman from Abigail Thorne's video on the death penalty:
"I'm imagining some dark British future where the death penalty is brought back, and a transphobe is upset that she has to share a scaffold with me."
That's her. That's Kellie-Jay.
It's because it's almost guaranteed that she will never feel the consequences of the horrors if she would succeed. Worst case she uses her wealth to escape any country she helps destroy. Even if she can't, the wealthy tend to be shielded from the worst, enough money creates an exception for every law.
She's a Gilead wife. Signing her own death sentence. Signing away hard won rights.
It's not even a "definition" of the word woman, female just means the same thing as woman. It's literally a synonym. The hateful conservatives think they're soo smart with their "definition" but they're just using circular reasoning to try to justify their bigotry.
"Buying Hogwarts Legacy won't actually affect trans people!" and then JK Rowling offers to pay Kellie-Jay Keen's legal fees.
Yea. Tried to get expain this to my sister. Didn't get through to her. :(
Meanwhile people I like might get hurt or killed if anti-trans hatred continues to proliferate.
@@wadtony123 shhhh moob boi
Crying over a game no one plays anymore oh my fucking God
...she still would be a mega billionaire either way.
@@Robbay363 "We won't be making the problem *noticeably* worse" still isn't the best reason to make it worse tho
The "zombie rules" thing is also a really good description of US culture during the AIDS panic. Everyone is a potential victim, until the moment they are victimized at which point they become a predator
Doesn't hurt that being far-right has been shown in studies to correlate with having a higher disgust response. It's why the concept of it being a social "contagion" is so appealing; it strokes that deep, gut feeling of revulsion.
@@BullofCrete Hmmmm... but I'm disgusted by the far right.
"In order to save women, we need to abandon feminism." I have no words.
Maybe because English is your second language and/or your level of comprehension is too low?
'I genuinely don't lose'. Big words from the woman that got a can of heinz dumped on her face and chased out of New Zealand.
57 varieties of bigotries
As a New Zealander I honestly feel patriotic that we were the country that bean'd her
New Zealand is a dope country XD
@@fionnconnelly6004 You damn well should. Great work folks.
A waste of perfectly good Heinz if you ask me
Sometimes I think to myself that I don’t ever want to meet Shaun in real life, just because I don’t want to deal with the possibility of him not being a talking skull with sunglasses taped on, slim as that chance may be.
Something ive seen from lurking in terf spaces is that theyre all very aware of the violence trans people are met with, they celebrate it and even ridicule and shame other terfs who say that they shouldnt wish death on trans people. Unfortunately this woman is not an outlier in their community
Remember how happy Glinner was when he read the article about a trans woman being r*ped thousands of times in prison?
@@abitmorerationalhe is one of the single most chronically divorced people ever, and all for the sake of his own moronic bigotry.
@titush.3195
They celebrate it the same way people celebrate pdf files getting abused in prisons. It's just a reactionary need for retribution without even considering morality and consequences of allowing rpe culture to be fostered in prison system
Not to mention that trans people don't hurt others by just being trans so they deserve such a treatment even less
That's why those communities are so fun.
Her silence when asked if she endorses fascists is *deafening*
Being silent after this question is the best move she could've done, because r@cists know that she is one of them, but she can also deny this fact to the public, because she didn't outright admitted it.
is there silence? sounds to me like shes explicitly saying "they are cool with me aslong as they hate trans people"
Does “where are you boys? I need more nazis showing up to my shit” count as silence?
Or her CSA buddy
@@Nathan-CroftI'm pretty sure you can just add trans to any term and get her to say she's against it. Like "are you against fascism? Are you against TRANS fascism?" I assume she would say it already exists, but is she against it? "Are you against abortion in the case of rape? Are you against abortion in the case of being raped by a trans person?" The ideology to accept literally anything to control mostly just a narrow aspect of childrens' life up to 18 and public toilets is quite insane. You can only take action if it somehow inconveniences a trans person.
A trans woman named Beth goes for a walk on a hot day. She comes to a place under the trees with 2 benches and decides she needs to rest. On one bench, she sees another trans woman, Sarah. On the other bench is KJK. Beth thinks about it for a moment, and goes to sit with KJK. They chat for a good while and KJK gets up to leave. Then Sarah comes over and says "Beth, I can't believe you would talk to that woman! Don't you know what she represents?!!?"
Beth says: "Yes, I know who she is and I knew that whichever bench I sat on, I would fall into conversation with one of you. If I come talk to you, all I will hear about is how things are bad and getting worse and how powerless we are. But when I talk to KJK, I find out that we control the politicians, the media, the health system, international business..."
ok that's hilarious
@@Mazey84 Hey, thanks for stopping by to say something ridiculously stupid ABOUT A FUCKING JOKE.
10
I did not expect to laugh at the end of that. Bravo.
Wasn't that originally a jew and a Nazi in that joke though?
Certainly a fitting rewording, almost uncomfortably close to Posey's actual actions...
I love how she shuts down women in her “movement” by gaslighting them in the most outwardly misogynistic ways possible lol
"Bigotry is intersectional; there aren’t a lot of single-issue bigots, people who hate Mexicans but fight for everyone else’s rights. People generally don't apply this hierarchical thinking to just one aspect of their lives. So - commonly - racism is comorbid with anti-Semitism is comorbid with misogyny is comorbid with transphobia is comorbid with homophobia is comorbid with religious intolerance."
-Ian Danskin, _Endnote 2: White Fascism_
I know there are an infinite amount of worse things she's done, but something that stood out to me personally was the tweet where she said something like 'girls your age [women in their 20s] either barbie themselves up or go the trans route'.
She's a stereotypical middle aged woman who is so unnecessarily nasty and condescending to younger women, calling them 'girls' even when they are well into their 20s and basically calling any woman who likes to wear makeup and short dresses a bimbo like Barbie. And there's (sadly) a lot of older women who are like that, but at least they don't try to pass themselves off as feminists.
kaeley triller is so disgusting. the audacity to talk about “grooming in schools” when she literally groomed a child she was professionally responsible for 🤮 how does she have a platform fr???
It's not grooming if it's attractive woman and a young boy because the boy will obviously enjoy /s
@@Kylora2112 That is probably what's going on in their heads
She going to use the excuse of, and if I remember correctly, that it happened AFTER he was out of her care. Like some high school teacher who says, hey, I didn’t do anything until AFTER she was no longer taking my class.
Besides, the kid was 17. I mean, that’s old enough to know what he wants, right? And it’s not like she was 40. She was 25, I think? So not a big age gap. (This is sarcasm, in case you weren’t sure.)
@@GrumpyOldFart2Oh eeeeew
@@falconeshield Yeah, eeewwwww! And that whole bulls**t about chemistry or whatever. But nooooooooo, it’s the trans people that are groomers. Specifically trans woman. Despite the overall rhetoric, have you noticed that the majority of the fear mongering is directed towards trans WOMEN (ie., formally physiologically male), whereas trans men are almost just an afterthought.
KJK might not like being called a feminist but I think we actually finally found a good candidate to own the term "feminazi".
It's Nazism for her!
a real feminazi in the wild... incredible
maybe she one day was called "feminazi" by a channer, and she thought, "you little brat, I show you feminazi" and here we are
Turns out, the feminazi were in their side all along 😂
No but truly
I’m a cis woman but was always mistaken as a boy growing up due to being a “Tom boy” and having traditional masculine interests.
But back then people were very quick to apologise and felt genuinely bad.
I genuinely fear for my fellow Tom boys out there thanks to transphobes like KJK. She is truly vile. I genuinely didn’t realise the extent of her disgusting comments though
I have seen a few moderate fence sitters turn pro trans rights out of sheer disgust at her callous remarks. A small win but I’ll take it.
Great video as always Shaun. And trans rights are human rights!!!
thanks for your support!
And people act like being anti-trans is somehow "protecting tomboys."
@@shlockofgod Have you no education?
@@DavidWilliams-by2ne Which Cis Rights and Liberties are being restricted?
@@DavidWilliams-by2ne Cis people have rights and deserve rights. Saying trans rights doesn’t automatically cancel them out. Stop being paranoid. I say this as a cis person. Sheesh!
Trans woman here and I know you'll likely never see this, but I am so grateful you've given our dehumanization such effort and concern. You truly have a talent for peeling apart the lies of fascist agenda and it's exactly what we need right now. It's insidious and you do a fantastic job pointing out how and why.
Thank you for these videos.
@@wadtony123 *1. Cult of tradition:* KJK believes (wrongly) that every human culture in history treated sex, sexuality, masculinity and femininity in the exact same way until the "trans agenda" came along.
*2. Rejection of modernism:* KJK is actively against any modern discussion of sex, gender, sexuality etc. She spoce several times against academia.
*3. Action for action's sake:* KJK puts action above thought. Putting violent armed men in women's bathrooms to stop queer people is good; stopping to look at the statistics and see what would reduce the physical/sexual assault rate is bad. Readily accepting the Nazis' help because "anyone is welcome in my anti-trans activism" is good; thinking about it and realizing that it's lowering support for the anti-trans movement is bad.
*4. Disagreement is betrayal:* KJK puts anti-trans activism above anything else. If you don't agree that the trans agenda is THE biggest issue, she considers you an enemy.
*5. Fear of difference:* KJK believes in false conspiracies that demonize trans people; and constantly and falsely accuses them of horrible crimes.
*6. Appealing to a frustrated middle class:* KJK takes advantage of the same homophobia used by the far-right as a wedge issue. Conservatives are falling behind the times, they are scared of queer people, and KJK is taking advantage of that fear.
*7. Obsession with a plot:* KJK believes in a trans conspiracy funded by Jewish billionaires that aims to harm children and destroy Western culture in an overly-complicated way for some unspecified reason. Basically a recycle of the blood libel of the '30s.
*8. The enemy is too strong and too weak at the same time:* According to KJK, trans people have near-complete control of the healthcare system, the government, the media, and the richest people on the planet. At the same time, KJK claims that trans people are all snowflakes who break down if they get misgendered once, and are completely incapable of holding any position of power. These two claims are incompatible with each other.
*9. Pacifism is colluding with the enemy:* KJK believes in active fight against the trans agenda. Any attempt at a peaceful resolution or debate is considered betrayal.
*10. Contempt for the weak:* KJK demonstrated severe ableism towards mentally ill people. Additionally, she considers trans men to be childish women manipulated by the Trans Agenda, and incapable of rational thought.
*-11. Everyone is educated to be a hero:-* Doesn't apply to KJK.
*12. Machismo:* KJK actively promotes the same sex stereotypes as Christian fundamentalism, and displayed a severe hatred of queerness. She also actively allied hereself with anti-abortionists.
*13. Selective populism:* Against all evidence, KJK claims that almost everyone in society is anti-trans - they're just supposedly afraid to speak up because of the Trans Agenda. Thus, KJK falsely claims to be "the will of the people".
*14. Newspeak:* KJK actively rejects terms like "gender identity" or "cis"; and relies purely on biology. But even then, her idea of sexual biology is extremely reductive and simplified. Hence her obsession with 5th grade biology: she can't handle complex concepts.
13 out of the 14 characteristics of Ur-Fascist rethoric seems a pretty high bar to me.
@@wadtony123 ok
@wadtony123 It literally Step 1 for you Fascists.
The classic images of Nazis burning books, is of them burning books from an Institute of Sexual Research. A Doctor was showing Scientific support and validation for Gay and Trans People.
Bigot idiots like you needed to destroy that evidence to promote their ignorant hateful ideology.
Wes, we're never going to stop proving you wrong.
You may as well go away for ever. Follow your leader, Fasc boi.
@@soupcans7427 Yea, sorry about that. Tony has been stalking this comment section for about a month, maybe two now.
He is such a pathetic person with terminal posting sickness. He has about 500 comments on this video alone and will respond to almost any comment.
He just puts the same inflammatory insults under any new comment in the hopes that people respond to him, because he needs this fix of owning teh libs with facts and logic. Arguments with him lead nowhere. His claims are vague and unfounded, so he can easily change what he meant when is proven wrong, or he will just run away so his fragile worldview doesn't shatter.
@@soupcans7427 protip: Reply to him with "[CITATION NEEDED]" that consistently shuts him up
Posie Parker identifying as working class is laughable.
Transclassist, I'm sure xD
@@top-notanalysis4942
Your reply had me spit out my drink! That was clever!
@@top-notanalysis4942 That was pure genius. Well done 😂
Why’s she have two names? She trans?
No wonder she and “I sat in cafes all day because light bill” Rowling get on so well
"So what? People can show up wherever they want." -Quote of a woman who's entire platform is largely based on not allowing certain people into women's spaces.
Well it's not a women's space if men are allowed into it. Easy.
@@charlene2459 Trans Women aren't men.
But you are a bigot. 🤷🏻♂️
@@charlene2459 It's also not a women's space if many women aren't allowed into it
@@ninjoshday it's a female space if it's single-sex and for females
@@charlene2459 Trans Women are Females. 👍🏼
So, wait... she thinks kids shouldn't under go life/body altering hormone therapy (or blockers, which are what is actually used) but will ally herself with people who think that children who are assaulted should be forced to give birth? Altering their lives and bodies permanently?
Just shows how counterintuitive she is.
Update: finished the video, I new she was awful but oh my God. I hope all the trans people out there stay safe. Ugh, so gross.
Its not about principles, its about people she hates,
No, she just hates trans people.
yeah but both of those things are bad and you only think one of those things are bad lol. Letting children make life changing decisions that statistically lead to drastically increased suicidality is just as bad as forcing a child to have a baby after being assaulted.
@@billrosensteinbait
@@vinny5638 You mean being forced to give birth? Because getting trans healthcare decreases suicidality by a lot
"I'm so worried about `men` going into women bathroom, anyway, men should be armed and inside womens bathrooms"
same breath?
It's worse. It's "i'm worried about 'men' going into womes bathrooms which is why men should be armed and inside womens bathrooms"
Imagine being more comfortable sharing a restroom with an armed individual potentially looking to do violence than someone who just needs to pee.
most sane republican
I'm a fan of the bathroom signs I see popping up that say, "Whatever gender, just wash your hands."
@@kathleenpearson-dh9od Then I'll assume you object to Parker's call for armed men to enter women's bathrooms hunting for trans women?
Funny how you freaks always limit the argument to restrooms & never extend it to prison. If trans AFABs can handle male restrooms, then why can't trans AMABs?
@@kathleenpearson-dh9od I think the ideal solution would be to let go of this prejudice about trans people being little more than sex offenders who take on a lifestyle of discrimination and hardship just so they can 'sneak' into a bathroom to make others uncomfortable. Let's remember that not every feeling of being unsafe is well-founded. Recall that it wasn't all that long ago that restrooms were racially segregated as well. Seems ridiculous in retrospect, but I'm willing to wager there were white women who maintained they felt threatened by the presence of non-white women. Harbouring a phobia towards the equal freedoms of others seems a poor justification to curtail those freedoms.
Well y'see Shaun, she wasn't associated with them, she was just seen interacting talking and laughing with them while parroting their ideas.
If there are twelve people at a table, and eleven of those people are Nazis, there are twelve Nazis at the table.
Was at her event in Bristol last year... Many stories but the one thing that stuck in my head was her shouting "I can see your penis" to a young trans women protesting her presence in the city. Just kinda fucked up an adult singles out a trans person to hundreds of anti-trans people and bring attention to their genitals, very weird.
Her friend likes to diddle young boys, considering she never condemned that I wouldn't be surprised if she herself has similar predilections.
And then she says she cares so much about "children's bodies"
at least nobody's privacy was violated amirite
nooooooo you dont get it, she HAS to do that because of the malicious devious transgender pedophiles!!!!!!!! she's right, because she's always right, as she so often says, typically directly after being wrong!!!!
@@no_peaceit's so creepy how obsessed she is with the genitals of teenagers.
It really is telling that these bigots have no point when Kellie-Jay is advocating for armed men to enter women's spaces to "protect women". I hope that her followers will wake up and imagine the dystopia they advocate for.
The most valuable thing about this video is that it gives me, a cis man who honestly hasn’t paid a ton of attention to this issue, just the tiniest visceral glimpse into how horrifying it must be to be a trans person in a world where this woman actually has a following. Thanks Shaun.
That's really all any ally needs to do: Realize that angry mobs are after your queer peers, and stand by them so they are not vulnerable and isolated when the mob sweeps by.
Trust people when they tell you they're suffering (but do not harm anybody for vengeance of course). It will become clear if they're lying overtime.
No it doesn't. It gives a slide show of cherry picked articles to back up the authors preconceived ideas and misrepresentations about kjk, for the benefit of those who also haven't watched a single Let Women Speak event and don't know anything about what she and Standing For Women is about. Only what fiercely hostile media sources similar to this present to them.
If you want the truth about kjk the watch kjk yourself, don't really on the people who hate her to tell you.
@@jennywren118 I like how all you KJK stans will insist that she's being, "misrepresented" by her critics, even though every single point in this video is backed up by hard video evidence. How much copium do you drink per day in order to be so willfully blind to her hatred and bigotry? She's not a women's rights' activist. She's an anti-trans bigot and so are you. Grow up.
@@haydentravis3348plus... how does cherry picking absolutely vile things this woman says nullify that this allows them empathize with trans people? have they never heard of the negativity bias? You remember negative feelings a lot more than positive ones. So a 'cherry picked slide show' would be one of the better ways to get across how it'd feel to be a trans person with people like her constantly shouting about and at them
They're literally just saying "nuh uh" to someone's personal feelings. Like????
The fact she can go from "keep ‘men’ in dresses out of women's spaces" to "men with guns, feel free to enter women's spaces whenever" smdh
And this is what makes it so clear that she doesn’t actually care about women’s rights, she just hates trans people. She doesn’t even care about women’s physical safety, and is willing to trade it to intimidate and endanger trans people
Apparently women are safe with men with guns but not safe with "men" with dresses. Who knew dresses were so powerful?
And it just shows her internalised sexism, why not armed (cis)women? She just trying to draw in the "traditionalist" types with the "man the protector" bollocks
That's the thing about her, she doesn't want people she perceives as men in women's spaces unless they're armed and willing to inflict violence, she doesn't want people she claims would groom children around, only people who have actually committed CSA, she will never ally with someone she perceives as an enemy unless their disagreement is over things that provably hurt and kill women including cis women. Nothing about kjk seems legitimate or genuine, like it's so obvious I cannot see any way this isn't a grift
@@risky_busine55 It's all consistent with being a single-issue, determined trans eliminationist happy to have anyone suffer whatever collateral damage that takes - or someone with a broader (fascist) political program using the transphobia as her particular wedge to drive the fascism into more normal political spaces. Sometimes, the hate is about the hate more than the money.
"These are dangerous narratives, not just for their effect on LGBT people, but because they work to obscure the much more common ways that abuse is often carried out"
*Thank you* Shaun, thank you so much for saying this clearly. The only way we will ever truly protect children from abusers is if we are honest about who those abusers actually are, and that is something that a great many people who ostensibly want to protect children shy away from or refuse to acknowledge, for purely unconscious emotional reasons.
Incredible how even in her wildest fantasies for the Trans Apocalypse, all she can imagine happening in this terrible dystopia is... people calling things the wrong name
As a trans person I just wanted to say thank you Shaun for going so in depth with these sorts of videos. It's heartening to see a cis man make not just one but multiple longform, meticulously researched and compassionately argued videos defending people like me. A lot of people might make a one off "Trans rights!" tweet every year at pride month and call it a day but you go above and beyond despite having no horse in this race to most onlookers. Thank you.
As a straight white older CIS male I would say in response that we do have a horse in this race as, like Shaun, I don’t want to live in a world where the fascists assume power, whatever the pretext is. We have seen where that ultimately and inevitably leads.
Trans guy here and seeing a TH-camr of Shaun's scale do this actually brings hope to my cold, dead heart. I especially love that he shouts out and links at least a couple of trans creators and makes explicit that he isn't preaching to trans people. Although we love seeing it, this content isn't for us. And I'm so glad he knows that.
@@robsengahay5614 Thanks so much! I'm a trans guy and it withers a small part of my soul every time I see someone say, "I don't have a horse in this race but trans liberation!" I'm white, middle class, able bodied and not in a union. But I *damned* well do have a horse in the race for universal equality and equity including for people of colour, people with disabilities, those in poverty and people in unions. Every one of those things _is_ my fight. Appreciate you saying that.
I have to live in this world.
Therefore I have horse in this race.
I am also disabled.
If these people manage to get society to further opress trans people they are gonna be coming for me next.
I have two horses in this race.
As a (Jewish, autistic) cis man with a trans sibling, I just want the world to be a place where my family can live without fear. And that won't happen until every single trans person is safe from bigotry and hate.
The fact a holocaust survivor has come out and said he believes that there's people pushing for the genocide of trans people just like the holocaust was a real eye opener
Yet there are still leftist creators that will say otherwise. Why do we live in the worst timeline 🙃
What’s the name of the survivor? I’d like to read and share their testimony.
Same. Please cite your source, I'd love to read and share their testimony.
@@timothyhicks3643 I believe they might be referring to Gidon Lev.
@@butterscotchbeelzebumblebe5425I found only a video of his where he says trans rights are same as human rights and he stands with the trans community.
So if he was being Refered to, it was kind of a misrepresentation of what he said.
If there isnt a longer Version out there anyhow. I would love to see it if anyone has it.
My wife and I are both trans women. I'm comfortable, but she is emotionally fragile. She has talked about detransition for safety (her therapist and I have said we think it won't help but we'll support her whatever she does). Anyway, I watched the first half of this video in private but stopped it when she came home from work. She's pretty stable right now so listening to this...nice lady...is not ideal. Since I'm not watching the full video, I'll leave a comment to make up for the engagement loss.
Damn I'm really sorry, to have to not be who you are out of fear of safety. At least she has a loving wife and a good support system. Good luck to yall
You two stay safe and take care of each other! Even good content is still just content after all, it’s absolutely ok to set it aside for health!
Sending you strength :)
As of transitioning, two of my favorite quotes I've found are as follows, I hope they help.
"Transitioning didn't solve my problems, it made my problems worth solving"
and "Existing is resisting, never stop resisting".
I often fear for my life going out in public, especially bathrooms. I sometimes think of de-transitioning because of the social climate; but then I remember those quotes and I think about how miserable my life and motivation were before I started doing something about it and being true to myself. Stay strong
wishing you and your wife safety. it’s a scary time to be trans; it keeps me up at night.
I want to live in the imaginary world of Kellie's where trans people have this incredible influence over healthcare professionals, government officials, educational institutions, etc. What a world that would be
@@kathleenpearson-dh9od This an obvious, conspiratorial lie to propagate hate which can be reported as such.
Edit: Hate is not a debatable opinion, Kathleen.
@@kathleenpearson-dh9odOh so we're supposed to be polite when you spout nonsense?
@@kathleenpearson-dh9od that's odd. why would a minority group having the same rights as you create a socialist utopia?
@@Dranlia You are free to responed in any way you want. I think you are being rude and immature and being your own worst enemy. You seem to have given up on yourself.
@@regisglass5464 Political activists tend to be a tiny percentage of the population. Socialists tend to want a socialist society. I believe that most socialists on the whole support trans-ideology and see them as a kind of symbolic vanguard of modern day socialism.
"I'm always right, and I always win!" "I'll stand with the devil himself!" "You will be annihilated!" Really leaning into the supervillain vibe
EDIT 48:37 "Say that trans women are women, and society's fine. Say they should be sterilized, SOCIETY GOES WILD!" I see the J in KJK stands for Joker
Honestly I'm surprised most modern authors don't use people like this for inspiration on their villains/antagonists
Keen misidentified a robot as a human being, ignored it telling her it was a robot, and argued with it as though it was a human and kept treating it like one. I just wanna point that out and emphasize it that way, because it's legitimately very funny.
How come she's so ready to treat a bot like a human, but not trans women like women?
Makes it even more ironic that she's so quick to dehumanise *actual people* 🙄
And this is Kellie ‘I’m never wrong about anything’ Jay, ladies and gentlefolk!
I am not surprised that she went to such great lengths to disbelieve someone telling her who they are
@@Gloomdrakebecause the bot claimed that it was a bot, and we all know how Keen doesn't like people saying what they are
Shaun hits the nail on its head again. Remember that there's two types of people: those who hate Nazis, and Nazis.
Indy being overbudgted forgot one important thing: don't bomb at the box office and people will talk about you
Because by God the movie that should've reminded people to hate Nazis didn't even make a peep. Hell the Barbie movie might make more noise and money
Nazis aren't real.
Are you being sarcastic? I can’t tell anymore
Common delusional leftist L
Declaring your hatred of someone does not mean you won't become them. Trans activists use tactics to silence opposition, much like fascists
So she's an anti-trans "activist" who deadnames trans people...but has a cringey pseudonym?
Gotta admit to struggling to get my head around that one.
i literally cacked out loud when i realised she literally has multiple names
honestly my theory is that half of anti-trans people are just in MASSIVE denial about being uncomfortable in their own bodies lmao
@@PH0B0PH1L1Aseeing as she's so unsure of being herself that she tries to look like Marilyn Monroe 👀😬 I'd say ur right
Posie Parker is such a cartoon villain name 💀💀
This woman must be an absolute terror to share a public bathroom with. It doesn't matter who you are, she's going to be closely monitoring every move, looking to "catch" someone. Gross and invasive.
This alone is the best argument for gender-neutral restrooms
never been happier to be a trans guy, so I can avoid bathrooms with TERFs in them
You don't need to monitor a man because it's obvious who is and isn't.
@@charlene2459 Are you one of those "transvestigators" who believes you can always tell who is or isn't trans, because news flash: you can't
@@ninjoshday none of y'all pass
As a teacher the whole idea of parents sitting in children’s classes is hilarious. They would be absolutely bored out of their minds
lol or they might learn something new if they weren't too busy trying to be the teacher themselves
I'm studying to become a teacher and even just being the intern who sits at the back and listens was making me super sleepy, haha
No parents ever "sat in" on my classes, but around 7th grade when we were taught about Charles Darwin and the theory of evolution in science class, we had to take home a permission slip for parents to sign, and any parent who didn't want their kid being taught evolution "for religious reasons" could opt their kids out. The kids weren't even given any kind of alternative curriculum to work on, they were just taken to a study hall and left to sit there. Literally forbidding your children from learning is so disgusting to me. I can't wait until schools start giving out permission slips so parents can opt their kid out of learning about vaccines and the holocaust and slavery in America *hard eyeroll*
@@JuniperArtemis16Jesus christ, that's terrifying.
also don't the parents have jobs??? how would they sit in on their children's classes? in this economy??
Here's the thing about a trans bathroom bill - it would force people who have been transitioning for years into the bathroom of their gender assigned at birth. I have no doubt that my trans masc ass, complete with beard and deep voice, would make women uncomfortable if I were forced into the female bathroom
Well I doubt generally that transphobes actually consider the consequences of their actions, exhibit A: Posie Parker. Even the transphobes that take issue with her cozying up with fascists seem primarily concerned with their collective public image.
even if we steelman their stupid argument, it falls apart using their own logic. Let's pretend like predators rely on getting to go into bathrooms unquestioned to assault strangers in there, and that it's a common problem (and disregard the other ways a person can gain access to opposite sexed public bathrooms with legitimacy, like janitors). In a world in which trans men have to use women's bathrooms, anyone who presents as a man can use the women's restroom if they claim to be trans. This would be a hundred thousand times easier for a person to do than try to disguise himself as a woman to get into the women's bathroom.
I feel like you already know this, but they SUPER don’t care if you have a place you’re allowed to be. They will very happily chase you out of the women’s restroom all the same just based on a masculine appearance. They do that to CIS WOMEN and then don’t even feel bad, they’ll certainly do it to trans men.
and would be a very unsafe place for you to be. sigh. legislated hate.
transphobes fall into two categories on this -- the ones who have never thought of that because they're so stupid they think that trans women are just men in wigs and that they're *always* easy to "clock," and the ones for whom that is an acceptable outcome because it can then be used to effectively push trans people out of public bathrooms in general and by doing so help push trans people out of public.
Remember, Michael Knowles got a *lot* of applause and cheering for calling for the "eradication of transgenderism from public life."
Posie Parker is simply emblematic of how transphobes are crypto fascists themselves or are willing to ally with fascists.
yeah i cant... I'm sorry shaun... I been trying to finish this video for two months, Im at a ...rather vulnerable stage in my life and i cannot really deal with this topic... but I'm very thankful for your coverage and support. you're a shining light in a crowd of shadowy figures scheming our demise... thank you.
Yeah this is probably not a good comfort watch
whyd u leave this comment my nigga who cares
@@KendegohLucavi same reason you posted yours, even meaningless junk has a right to exist.
Sending you lots of good vibes and wishing you a happy future soon.
@@o0bookwyrmknight0o thank you. Working hard to get there. -hugs-