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“Nothing ever ends poetically. It ends and we turn it into poetry. All that blood was never once beautiful. It was just red.”-Kait Rokowski
The cycle of violence is one helluva drug
That is a good quote
WOW.
Thank you so much for sharing this.
Tragedy and missfortune without selfreflection / introspection, empathy, determination and wisdom will not make us better.
It will make us more miserable. And in worse cases, it will make us spread that misery to the world.
This become tragically true as we are now at the eve of the new holocaust.
I saw a girl who lost her leg and her whole family was killed when her house was bombed. She survived and said she was committed to moving on and living the life her parents wanted for her. Then two weeks later the hospital was hit and she was killed. That still haunts me, I think about it almost every day.
Same. Fuckin' heartbreaking 💔 af!
Which hospital?
@@megaham1552what a suspiciously specific question. As though some sort of moral qualification is brewing.
damn... kinda wish I didnt read that...
She was interviewed and answered that she hoped to go to Europe to have prosthetics fitted.
And she would then hope to train to be a doctor to help future generations like the doctors who helped her
Two weeks later a tank shell was fired at her hospital ward. Reports were that she was decapitated.
I remember a clip of a man holding a baby boy he had no relation to but who's entire family was killed by an Israeli airstrike. An interviewer asked him something along the lines of "will you take care of him now?" And the man simply replied "What else am I supposed to do? He is my son now."
I'm not sure I even want to know the fate of that man and his adoptive son. But I desperately hope that boy will grow up being raised by his father.
that made me cry. Palestinians have collectively experienced dozens of 10/7s, yet have not devolved into mass murdering psychopaths
That hurts. I cannot imagine...
Jesus Christ 😖 actually so fucking sad
I mean... some of them.@@geoffreysmith49
I saw that! He was asked: "Where are his parents?" The reply was: "They are dead. This is my son now." The tenderness was overwhelming.
One particular video that stuck out to me was this guy who was set free by the IDF. He ran down the street for safety, probably feeling grateful for another chance of life, before being shot in the back. And I've wondered how that guy felt, and how cruel of a person you have to be to play with peoples lives like that.
Israel knows what they're doing is wrong. They just don't care.
The dehumanization of generations is boiling up to an extreme. It's crazy to think it could get to this point
i think this was in the west bank, there's no hamas there, imagine what they're doing in gaza or what they did in 1948 when there were no one recording
@@emad3241 stop spewing that lol, hamas is in the west bank as are many other resistance factions
@@danibunny1005 that's an excuse, there's no rockets being fired from the West Bank, besides, Hamas was founded in 1989, the settlement project started in 1967
@@danibunny1005 the biggest joke of the 21 century is that the existence of the strongest nation in the world depends on a colonial project targeting unarmed civilians, if you don't want the Palestinians to resist like they did in Gaza then stop colonizing their land
There is nothing about this that doesn't rot my soul in some way.
But the concept of a "terrorist sign-in sheet" is one of the funniest things I have ever heard.
N---a, is you takin notes on a criminal f--kin conspiracy?
So who signed in? Was it Thursday or Sunday??
I’m Monday
@@snakesnoteyes monday is hamas
Trump 2024
"They steal your bread, then give you a crumb of it.. then they demand you thank them for their generosity.. o their audacity!" - Ghassan Kanafani
No Jewish people aren't stealing anyone's bread
Literally why the working class is modern day slaves. And the reason bourgeois class wants the slaves to believe they are equal and it's just about luck and gods tests for your soul and whatever
He was a Christian btw. And one of the earliest participants of liberation movements.
When interviewer asked him why they don't just give up as fighting back causing them more deaths.
He replied,
"To us, to liberate our country, to have dignity, respect & human rights is as essential as life itself" -Ghassan Kanafani
anti-Israel SOB
@@Jkjoannaki You based the worthiness and equality of individuals based on their economic status?
I know many happy working class people and many miserable and suffering bourgeois. I realize this is anecdotal but most people stuck in working class conditions around me (friends and family) are there largely because of consequences for choices they made in the past and their abject refusal to change their behaviors to facilitate upward mobility. You can lead a horse to water, and often have, but you can't make it drink.
“If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.” -Malcolm X
So it is a class struggle. Nathks
This quote is braindead
@@antoocello5289 But it fits the description of what is going on with media clearly altering the facts to make it so israel seems like the ones being oppressed
@@antoocello5289bet you believe everything the media tells you to believe
@@Wakamolewonder sure, keep on believing that "the media" is trying to indoctrinate everyone or something. You know what newspapers give you? Information that is at your disposal so that you can make your own judgement. I can't stand that quote because the oppressor and oppressed narrative people try to push in every situation contradicts my belief
That weird fake hospital video uses a bomb sound effect that literally sounds like a vine boom. It would almost be comical every time it plays if it wasn’t being used as justification to kill thousands of children.
It’s heartbreaking
BTW The girl who pretended to be a Palestinian nurse turned out to be an Israeli actress, they already shared her Instagram .
true.
True, That's why isn0treal is just full of lies and hypocrisy
what a terrible actress that is. holy shit.
And note the massive irony of using actors to do this terrible propaganda, then in the next breath it's "Palestinians faking injuries!!! DON'T BELIEVE YOUR LYING EYES"
how do people just willfully lie their pants off like this
When I was 15, on the TV news, I saw a boy throwing rocks at tanks, yelling about stolen land, and killing of families. I’m now 42, and on the internet, I saw a boy throwing rocks at tanks, yelling about stolen land, and killing of families…
Look up a song called (Stand up for the Revolution).
And read chapters 17-19 of the Quran.
That boy never grew. That tank never moved. The world never changed. Sad.
I blame myself and the humans living their lives all over the earth for not speaking up sooner. I feel like now it is just too late to stop them. Our ignorance has made them powerful enough to keep going no matter what the world thinks of them.
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@@MAHtheofficialBut we know better now, boycott, talk about it and go to protest and pickets
"You can't claim moral superiority when asking for support, but then moral equivalence to excuse your crimes."
You can frame that one.
thought the same
Hey you have my name
he really does come through with the coldest lines of any political commentator
I mean this is basically a leftist spoonfeeding what his audience wants to hear. Idk why I actually thought this would be a nuanced take but it's just a typical Lefty pov
@@thomdotexe Jesus why is it always "cold" when talking about quotes, its not fitting at all in this context
That murdered boy who wanted a ton of subscribers on his gaming channel also really got to me, and I too cried for him. Just an ordinary kid, with hopes and dreams that any kid or person in the world would have. Yet there is a concerted effort by the powers that be to paint him and all the children in Gaza as "other than", as deserving of their fates. It's monstrously unfair.
I remember seeing a clip from an Arab streamer hearing about the kid. He then searched up the kid's Instagram only to see that the kid messaged him multiple times. The dude then broke down.
@@haaraanoonn heartbreaking, christ.
There's a satirical essay by Mark Twain called King Leopold's Soliloquy where Twain, writing from the perspective of King Leopold, denounces Kodak cameras for allowing the world to see the Congolese victims of Belgian violence, specifically countless photos of people with only one hand
There is also a travel report written by Mark Twain in which he describes in great detail what a miserable barren strip of desert Palestine was before the zionists arrived
I feel like this Leopold guy wasn't the nicest fella
@@ToBeIsWasWere Gen Z historiography is gunna b lit.
Thank you for this! It is accessible as a free pdf on line at various universities.
not even talking about how he decimated the population by around 40 to 50%
It's always "Hamas killed 1200 people" vs "Israeli military action has resulted in 30,000 deaths"
To be fair, there is a difference between a terrorist attack and a military attack.
@@ninototo1 I agree, there can be no greater difference between an attack intended to cause terror against civilians and a genocidal military campaign against civilians.
@@ninototo1not when youre bombing children
How many were Hamas?
@@ninototo1 Your naivete would be funny if it was not so profoundly sad
“Suffering doesn’t make you better It just makes you suffer. “
It's like the naive notion that everything is God's plan, or karma, or justice. No, a lot of things that happen in this world are complete INjustice and provide no ultimate value, just senseless unnecessary misery. This is a poor attempt to rationalize an unjust world as one of intelligent order, when it is in fact one of idiotic chaos.
We are dumb animals wrestling with our dumb animal nature, trying to be better than animals, trying but usually failing to overcome our animal natures, our incessant ignorance. We aren't really that much better than animals and in a lot of ways we are worse. The arrogance of humanity over other life, including other humans, knows no limits. Us having what we have is not because we deserve it, just like with billionaires. It is just dumb chance occurring to dumb people, that does not make them divinely smart or worthy of what they happened to have land on their laps. Israel certainly doesn't deserve the position of power they have and this unearned notion that they are so civilized, when they act like barbarians and succumb to every psychopathic impulse
It really depends
@@kentuckyjohnson7394depends on the person not in the suffering.
When does he say this in yhr video ? I think I missed it !
@@Gimlinti🪲🧠
As an Arabic speaker from Egypt, I can confirm that she doesn’t sound Palestinian
As an Australian in Australia, why does Egypt have a hard border with Gaza, and why aren’t they helping their “brothers” For that matter why isn’t the Muslim world helping Gaza? Maybe it’s because even Muslims know Gazans are too extreme.
@@michaelharvest931maybe because they need to stay in their land ? If gazans left gaza , there will be no Palestine in future. That’s exactly what the zionists want, sandi arabia , UAE and even egypt have zionist presidents unfortunately .
@@michaelharvest931 Egypt has many Palestinians living in Egypt. But of course since you view all muslims as the same horde of brown people, your white supremacist brain cant comprehend the fact that Palestinians might not want to lose their land
@@michaelharvest931 Why didn't the Western European countries take in J's before the Natsee H0l0ca4st? Does that mean the J's were too extreme?
Please stop, this is straight up f*sc*st rhetoric.
@michaelharvest931 . Egypt isn't responsible for the crimes of israel . Furthermore , If they do open the borders and allow Gazans in, then they would be complicit in israels' ongoing ethnic cleansing campaign.
That part about Maus, how someone can see, can experience, horrendous bigotry, and then turn around and use those exact same arguments against others, is something I've seen and experienced my whole life, and I've never seen another piece of art represent it so perfectly.
I loved how Shaun highlighted how the father didn't take issue with him being compared to a Nazi, but in Jews being compared to black people. It's that implicit admission that he didn't object to Nazi ideology; simply the target of that Ideology.
now that i think about it its not a very surprising aspect of human psyche. thats basically how misogyny was maintained for this long
This is exactly what I was thinking about. I've seen it happen often with minorities trampling over other minorities, using whatever next morally irrelevant excuse they can find to try and justify doing to others what was previously done to them. Then living completely oblivious to this injustice they're perpetrating, content with their justification.
@@zipwok Hey, Zipwok, now there's a name I recognize! Yep, we're on the exact same page here. Keep up the great music!
@@zipwok
Something something LGB alliance
"The history of World War II is complicated, the history of human slavery is complicated, but the acts of genocide and slavery are not morally complex at all." Couldn't have been put in a better way.
Not to ridicule the subject, but this video has to do with Gaza as much as that Zara ad did.
its not a genocide
What is it?@@Blue-qt8ms
@@Blue-qt8ms Elaborate.
@@Blue-qt8ms Why is it not a genocide?
(Hint: Don't use population increase/decrease as a standard because it's not mentioned in the Geneva convention.)
Freshman year my geography teacher was Palestinian. She talked about the conflicts on a personal level, as she has family there. Kids in my class were upset about how she would "bash Israel" (since I live in the deep south) and it breaks my heart.
I can't believe my country sends billions of dollars to Israel to fund this genocide and so many blindly support Israel without a second thought. Sickening.
@@phoenixikki2641 there is no genocide
@@jevroyes there is
@@jevroyou literally make subpar trap music your opinion was invalid before you stepped in
She was NOT 'paliestinian'. Paliestinians were made up in 1964.
They do not, as A People, exist.
"You cannot claim moral superiority when asking for support, but then moral equivalence to excuse your crimes." Holy shit well said
Pretty much sums up the entire Israeli position
what a bizarrely ignorant comment to latch on to. That phraseology infinitely excuses terrible behavior.
Israel does not 'claim Moral superiority'. It was forced into a war by hamas terrorists who killed as many civilians as possible. Israel has EVERY right to fight hamas, who repeatedly has stated it wants to annihilate every jew in istael. BUT Israel needs to act as carefully as possible in this war, esspecially as hamas terrorists use civilians as human shields. Hamas wants to drive up civilian death so it can rail up antisemitism and hate.
I'm so disappointed shaun fell for this scheme.
@@whirlinglogs speaks against terrible behavior
@@whirlinglogsread it again
One of the hardest parts of being an anti-zionist jew is finding out how alone you are. Finding out that your friends and family actually dont think that what the Nazis did was wrong, but that who they did it to was, is so fucking alienating and isolating, I cannot put it into words. I feel more alone now than I did during quarantine.
@idnevertakenbefore lmao okay Himmler settle down on the race science
I am so sorry to hear that. You are doing the right thing, and hopefully you'll be able to join a like-minded community.
In every Palestinian protest, I find MANY anti-Zionist Jews who are ones of the best people I ever saw. I hope you find like minded people around you! Praying for you 🙏🏻
@@DeoMachinaI don't think they're doing race science at all. Their point is that ethnonationalism and progressivism are incompatible. I dont think they communicated it very well though.
@idnevertakenbeforeconservatism dies out buddy
At 35:03 - There's no way you could have known about Aaron Bushnell, but these words are haunting.
Just got there too, holy shit
@@enbyglitch did that happen yesterday? I only started getting the story come up on my Insta this morning.
Went looking for this comment because I just got to this part too... wow.
Same
yeah holy fuck
I recently became a father. The other day I saw a video where a Palestinian man was collecting the birth certificates of his newborn twins. At the same time his house was bombed and the twins were killed along with his wife and mother-in-law. The idea of losing my loved ones all at once is unimaginable. I have thought about this incident regularly ever since. It haunts me.
I don't want to make it worse, but you also realize that their birth and death certificates were filed on the same day...
God what has happened to humanity...
and worse israelis on telegram were mocking him and the death of his twin babies. Pure evil
i watched a video of a 12 year old boy carrying a white flag through a so called "safe passage" out of gaza be shot in the street in front of his parents. when his older brother rushed over to him, he was shot too. never again means never again for everyone. we're not free until all of us are free.
injustice somewhere is a threat to justice everywhere
No, there is a stark difference between zionists and Jewish people as a whole
@@doomdimensiondweller5627ok national socialist
No we dont. We need to talk about zionism co-opting judaism and hijacking the faith though. @@indyjacob4597
@@doomdimensiondweller5627 I think "we on the left" can wait until *after* the conflict is over to discuss anything of the sort
"If people learned from atrocities, then there would be no more atrocities"
Such a remarkably simple yet profound statement. I had never thought of it that way, but it is quite terrifying when you consider its implications. Perhaps the long arc of the universe doesn’t inevitably bend towards justice after all. You have to bend it in that direction.
Not all humans have the same moral code or sense of responsibility outside of their own existence. Some of us - many of us - are very selfish and depraved people.
People do learn, unfortunately we don't learn the same lessons.
People do learn from atrocities: that might makes right, that perpetrators are hardly ever held to account, that perpetrators often profit from atrocities.
anyone who has experienced severe trauma, been close to someone who has been through trauma, or has worked with the traumatised, knows that healing isn't the only option, unfortunately. In fact it is the most difficult choice to make.
Another option is passing on the abuse you've (or your people have) endured. That is how many, including the Israeli state, have carried on the trauma of the holocaust, but it is certainly not how all Jews have dealt with it.
I think people do learn, but by the same token we also forget. Both as individual persons, and collectively as communities. And every time any particular lesson doesn't get retained and passed on, for whatever reason, it has to be learned again.
I always wondered how did the people see the Nazis crimes and remained silent, unfortunately now I know when I see Israel’s defenders. It is not only remaining silent. They are defending the crimes.
It is a sad time to live in.
A. The crimes of Nazis were revealed late into the war. And their magnitude only years after the war ended.
B. The Nazi crimes were kept mostly secretive to the public until very late in the war, nearing its end.
C. Nazi Germany was already regarded as an evil enemy to the "free world" as the war started. Israel is an ally to "the west" which is roughly the same as those times "free world" thus their actions excused. People tend to forget, up until Germany attacked Poland, "the west" was still more than neutral and accepting to it, cuz it benefitted them economically and politically. Hell, up until the US joined the war, American corporations were trading with Germany during the Holocaust and some were profiting from concentration camp labour for their production.
This world mostly revolves around economic-political interest, and is the sole reason Israel still exists as it is. Gladly as the world progresses with technology, there's a trend for change, but don't expect any quick magical solution or end to the world's atrocities.
Remember the world still trades with all sort of tyrants, warmongers and isolates or embargoes any state "non-compliant" to the world's hegemonic capitalist interest, e.g. Cuba, N. Koreaa, Venezuela and few more.
@@Punk_Tovarisch The more we learn the truth about the so called “free world” the more we understand that it has nothing to do with freedom 😐.
@@Punk_Tovarisch You can actually see countless examples of people in the West, including liberals cheering on the U.S to war (for example the war in Iraq and Afghanistan), and approving of their countries actions when it clearly had a devastating effect on the civilian populations of those countries. George W. Bush had high approval, including among American liberals when they declared war. If it’s “our side”, we can’t possibly be doing anything wrong, right?
@@cojoes1423 ye, that too
Also - the jews did not rape, kidnapped and burnt alive Germans
Love ya shaun, but as a palestinian, i got only a few minutes in before having to dip out. Even hearing things from your soothing voice is too much.
Thank you for your support and speaking up. I hope its helped.
This is hard to watch as someone with no material stakes so to speak, so I can’t imagine the pain you and your family and people are feeling right now. I don’t even have the words, but please know that there are so many people who stand w you ❤️🍉
It’s ok your people have been through enough I hope you all get to return one day to a free Palestine
@@christianmiller9934free under Jewish rule. Muslims WILL leave.
I will never forget a clip I saw of a father, a doctor, cutting off his teenage daughter’s leg without anesthesia, over a paint bucket, with people around her pinning her down so she wouldn’t move or resist. I felt nauseous. What is happening is a disgrace to all of humanity and to all progress that our mouths mock.
She was evaluated thankfully
I think she was his niece
It was his niece and he cut it off with a saw💔💔
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That’s awful. It’s such a shame what’s happening. I hope she’s ok.
God, I sometimes forget how propaganda can be so stupid yet so evil.
The calandar one genuinely felt like a fucking helldiver 2 item description
How do magnets work???? It´s Hamas
@@TheDizxstop downplaying Hamas!
@@SadigR Stop downplaying genocide and colonialism, then sure thing buddy
@@TheDizx pro-palestinians love to cry out whataboutism unless they do it themselves. I literally asked to take the dangers of Hamas seriously and people can't even do that, instead they wave it away.
I feel like the IDF and Israeli Govt knows their propaganda is bullshit at best. But they didn't care. Because they feel other nations can't do anything to really stop them, even if they wanted to. See the UN? How many times the nations at UN has request the Israeli to stop their military invasion, for only The US veto'ed their pledge and basically give Israel a free "get out of jail" card?
The section about misinformation is particularly heart breaking because my country is playing a huge part in it, funded by the central government and I feel the same helplessness in stopping it.
you think you own your country, it owns you peasant
it cuts both ways
Which country?
It's because the way you combat misinformation is by investing in education so the populace can discern truth on their own. But that is an unpalatable solution because it takes time and a restructuring of how resources are spent. Instead we use censorship as a stop-gap solution but that just opens up all sorts of other problems.
@@REDI____no it’s not
We are currently watching the world's most documented genocide
And the most insane thing , is that some brainwashed people are still cheering for Zionists and justifying their crimes
I wonder if right wingers and (most) centrists ever will reconsider their past actions and statements regarding this genocide? It's honestly so baffling and disappointing that lots of people deny this active genocide despite the existence of real footages, it doesn't feel real at all.
@@meoooooooooooooooooooooooooww i lost all hope in humanity man
It will be Teached in every history class, written in every article, and talked in every conversation. Just like the Holocaust, it will go down in history as the most honest and yet equally monstrous genocide in history of Humanity.
It’s happening in Ukraine
Great observations about Maus. When I lived in Israel, I witnessed two unforgettable moments. Some LGBT Jews came to the holocaust memorial to remember the queer community exterminated by the Nazis and a group of Jews screaming at them “but those people deserved to die”. The other was how horribly the Ethiopian Jews were treated.
@@Chlx_Productions What a brilliant way to illustrate one of the most well made points in the video. You cannot on the one hand claim moral superiority, then at the same time demand moral equivalency for anything bad. Genuinely brilliant work there mate 😂
@@Chlx_Productions "Moral Equivalency does not negate your lack of one"
@@Chlx_Productionsstick to your bad animations.
@@Chlx_ProductionsSo who do you support here for you to say that opinion of yours?
@@Chlx_Productionsaccording to most queer people who have gone to Gaza, they think they're alright.
There is a very real psychiatric explanation for why we don’t learn from suffering, and it was discovered, appropriately enough, by a holocaust survivor who was also a psychologist. He published a memoir called “Man’s Search for Meaning”. Near the end of the memoir, he and another survivor have been freed from the camp and are walking along a road. Suddenly, the other man runs into the grain field next to the road and stomps and destroys as much of the grain as he can. The author (forgive me, I’ve forgotten his name) is shocked and asks him why he did that. He answers that his suffering has given him the right to act however he wants. He has “earned” the right to be destructive.
As a cancer survivor, I also saw this attitude surface among some of my fellow survivors. If you’re trying to find an “upside” to your suffering, “now I have free ticket to behave however I want” becomes really attractive.
i thinks it more simple ,victimhood + supremacism = a dangerous pathological sense of entitlement.
Viktor E. Frankl! I read this too and immediately thought of this example. Thanks for sharing.
@@Minnnty_grinnnThanks for providing the author’s name. I had a brain glitch and couldn’t remember it.
That's not due to them having survived something tough. That's just their usual mantra as ''God's chosen people''. They cry out in pain as they strike you.
Thank you for sharing. This is something I've wondered about. It also describes, in my personal experience, the justification abusers seem to use. If someone hurts them, they should feel free to do the same. Continuing the cycle of abuse is terrible for all involved.
I read something the other day that said-ish, "What if what we are judged for in the end is whether we used our suffering as an excuse to make others suffer?" Whatever we believe, it's not a terrible guideline to follow.
It's important to heal ourselves so we don't needlessly hurt others. Plenty of people come through abuse, have empathy and accountability anyway, and do not become abusers. I wonder what makes someone in a similar circumstance turn the opposite way? Or why some people are more resilient overall?
I hope we learn so more people can be helped to find a healthier way and some inner peace instead of perpetuating what they should have never had to endure. - Love
'You cant claim moral superiority when asking for support, but then moral equivalence to excuse your crimes' -Shaun.
I guess this comment only works one way for u guys. Even do it’s a perfect quote for both sides
@@simenberge3656Huh? No one's tax dollars are supporting Hamas.
@@warmlycalculated390except, ironically, Israeli tax dollars
@@simenberge3656 In your mind the state that was invented out of nothing decades ago and that is trying to replace the indigenous population, that is supported by the strongest and richest countries in the world are the real victims here.
When has that ever stopped soldiers?
I was born and raised in the education system of Israel. It was only a few years ago, in the tenth grade, that I came to realize the sort of place I was living in to the full extent. Funnily enough, one of my first big moments of shock was when I translated Dulce et Decorum Est by Wilfred Owens into Hebrew, for a history lesson about World War One. The final phrase I translated into Hebrew as טוב וראוי למות למען ארצנו, which is a phrase that was famously used by Joseph Troumpaldour, one of the “founding fathers” of Israel. Since then I have been shocked and appalled by the things I have seen and heard, even from people who I had considered to be liberal and educated.
I keep coming back to your video, not because it changed my mind but because it helped me phrase everything I’ve been thinking and feeling so clearly.
Free Palestine, and fuck Zionism.
what do you think is the ultimate solution to the situation? single unitary secular state, two states, "a great return "home""?
So you are telling us that you support hamas?
@@_________________7778 dude stop with this nonsense deflection
Sorry the replies to your comment are going to suck, OP - zionists repeatedly dogpile the people commenting on this video. But I congratulate you on your ability to see past the apartheid propaganda of Israel, and I sincerely hope we both see a free Palestine in our lifetimes ❤❤❤
I don't get why people gave Zionism there own definition, Zionism meant "giving Jews there own country to feel safe in and protected" I think the only reason it's all been fucked up, is cause of the president of Israel fighting the idea of peace that the assisinated president of Israel was leaning for, it's two worlds fighting for "peace" trying to solve it with more violence, when the people just want safety and freedom
That woman who filmed herself extremely shittily acting out some fan fiction about what was supposedly happening at the hospital...why? It's just so pointlessly cruel. As if it's all one big joke.
It's appalling.
It's propaganda. It's meant to convince people who already agree with her that agreeing with her is a reasonable position to take. I dunno if the state of Israel was paying for that shoddy disinformation, but it functions the same whether it's manufactured by a large group or improvised by one person.
The only thought that occurred to me was propaganda. Not sure if she was paid or she just believes in the cause enough to organically lie about it.
@@BombastionSezMy first guess was the latter, just propaganda poison being self replicating.
Propaganda is important in a war to maintain support.
She was likely paid quite handsomely for her bad acting. Because it supports the narrative that the people who want the war want to spread.
That the people they're fighting are so depraved that they're stealing from the sick and injured, justifying the bombing of said sick and injured, because they're being used as shields.
I think a great point raised in the Maus section is that saying that Jewish people can't commit genocide because they lived through genocide is another form of otherising a group of people. Jewish people are people just like everyone else and that means individual Jewish people and majority Jewish societies can hold prejudice, biases and rasict beliefs. My great grandfather was Jewish, he was left and orphan at a very young age by antisemitic pogroms in his area. His son, my grandfather, recalled growing up with a Jewish father, being mocked and chastised for having Jewish heritage, how he was bullied by kids in his school and over time both his father and him learned to hide their heritage. My grandfather grew up to be a secretive and paranoid man clearly deeply traumatised by the antisemitism he lived through. My grandfather was also extremely racist and taught his children the same racism he himself suffered from. My homecountry, Russia, has a lot of people immigrating from neighbouring post-Soviet countries for work, education and better life conditions. Some of these people are not ethnically Slavic and come from majority non-Slavic countries. There is a lot of hatreded and casual racism against those people in Russia, and when my grandfather died, his son, my uncle, said "I chose restaraunt A over restaraunt B to hold his wake there because restaraunt B is owned by [racial slur for people of colour]. Dad woundn't have wanted that". I was appalled by this statement. How could a man, who was discriminated against his whole life, whos father was orphaned by ethnic hate, be so full of ethnic hate himself? The answer is very simple. My grandpa was just a dude. Just a guy. Regardless of his background, he is human, and if you don't put in the work, you'll fall victim to the same hatred that is weilded against you.
Great point. Lots of zionists have this view of Jewish people in that they think that being victim to horrendeous persceution from Europeans for hundreds of years has transformed them into something different than other humans, something that cannot be judged in the same way that other humans can. Its othering to the extreme.
Why he got "hatred"?
This is a really interesting anecdote. Thanks for sharing it man.
Hell, Henry Kissinger was a holocaust refugee
Unfortunately, a core part of Jewish identity is the belief that jews are superior to everyone else, that they get to live by their own rules and standards. Another core part of Jewish identity is the belief that everyone else is out to get Jews. Put these two beliefs together and it's obvious that Israel will never change unless physically forced to by the outside world.
On the artist you mentioned, Noury (Nouran)-she and her family have thankfully evacuated Gaza. They are all terribly injured, and the accounts she’s posted of the extent of their suffering is horrible to read. But they are, as of now, safe. Nouran is such a sweet, brave individual, and she deserves all the love she’s received. I’m glad you mentioned her ❤
Thank god. I wish nothing but good things for her, and for her to one day be able to draw Gojo Satoru again
allhumdulilah
Watching again after the World Court officially ruled Israel was engaging in apartheid
after almost 80 years they do it now
and they didn't even rule them out for genocide or the war crimes they committed for so long
These court rulings are useless. They're not going to listen to anyone when all they think is "we are the chosen ones."
If I must die,
you must live
to tell my story
to sell my things
to buy a piece of cloth
and some strings,
(make it white with a long tail)
so that a child, somewhere in Gaza
while looking heaven in the eye
awaiting his dad who left in a blaze-
and bid no one farewell
not even to his flesh
not even to himself-
sees the kite, my kite you made, flying up above
and thinks for a moment an angel is there
bringing back love
If I must die
let it bring hope
let it be a tale
…..
May Dr Refaat Alareer rest in peace..
May Allah bless you
Lovely poem. Palestine will be free from the river to the sea
Beautiful poem
Ameen. The struggles of Palestinians are not unseen nor ignored by Allah. He sees all.
White cloth and some strings is what Muslims use to wrap their deads before burry them.
The thought of someone selling my things to burry me breaks me.
you can tell shit is bleak and totally fucked when Shaun shows that young boy who aspires to make videos on youtube and my first thought is "that boy is dead, isn't he?..."
That's just how reality is sometimes, without faith to uplift you, or distractions away from it, you are left to ponder, alone, until the point of insanity
@@minestar2247 Faith is rarely uplifting.
@caffetiel to some. I have faith he is in a better place.
To think otherwise would be-
I've been staring at these words for 5 minutes now. What do I say? To think otherwise would be worse? Worse than what's already happening? Perhaps I should keep my peace.
Native Arabic speaker here just adding my 2 cents for good measure: lady supposedly recording in the hospital has a very obviously fake Arabic accent
Native English speaker with an interest in languages: Yeah her accent sounded way more Hebrew than Arabic, even if she tried to sound Arabic
Native Hebrew speaker here : it is a Hebrew accent, and those gloves are used in israel. Source: me and my hospital visits.
The region is mixed you guys are idiots.
@@antoinettemeyAs a native Hebrew speaker as well, this does not sound like Hebrew.
Unfortunately, I don't know all the languages y'all do, but the "bombing sounds" clearly sound like added to the video afterwards, and they sound like they were recorded on an outside battlefield, not inside a building. And her acting comes across as unnatural and dishonest.
I needed to come back here for a bit of sanity after the way mainstream news outlets have framed the entire situation with student protests
Same.
Watch Second thought's "The Most dangerous thing in the western hemisphere"
Me too
I paused to read “If I Must Die.” I’m crying now. It’s absurd and foolish and wrong to cry only for one person when thousands have been killed, but I can’t imagine ten thousand deaths no matter how hard I try. I can’t feel it. I read this poem and felt pain, understood emotion, and the scale of the thing came into fleeting focus.
I just imagine coming into town, and instead of seeing home, seeing a mound of bodies.
I think about the pain and emotional anguish and utter despair I feel for that one individual and then try to imagine what those emotions would feel like multiplied by 1000. I Imagine that’s probably the closest I’ll get to understanding what it must be like having to experience your loved ones and community being brutally murdered over and over again, everyday.
@@erinmarieee23my exact feelings too.
'It feels like there is nothing I can say that thousands of dead civilians shouldn't be able to' really captured the moment for me
Ahhaahahah 2 words cope and seethe
why does gaza not releas the hostages? are they dum?
@@AL-lh2htthe only dumb person here is you, hamas has said multiple times they’d release them and Israel denied, Israel has killed many hostages at this point, they don’t care about them
@@AL-lh2ht Gaza is a city, not a living entity. It has nothing to do with the hostages also, israel has consistently rejected hostage negotiations. Along with killing hostages while bombing Gaza, if israel genuinely cared about the hostages they wouldn't be rejecting negotiations for 4 months now.
@@JohnCollins-vy4nf that's just not true. both sides have breached ceasefire/ truce agreement. 212 Palestinians died in the context of the occupation and conflict in 2023 before 10/7 compared to just 4 israelis
"How many parents have seen other parents mourning for their kids [...]"
I constantly have flashbacks to a clip of a Palestinian man calling for his children into holes in the rubble of their old house. Salma and Saed.
I cry every time.
i won't describe in detail the images i've seen of dead kids but i will say half of the parents who hold their children's decimated bodies into the air for the people and cameras to see look shell shocked. no emotion on their face. a racist would say they dont care, but i see someone who cant even speak because of what they're holding.
It completely breaks a person, they haven't had any time to process it, sometimes it takes a long time until emotion comes back after a loss. @@TheGLaDOSvideoCore
same one, same thing, to want to save your loved ones infront of your very eyes and be completely powerless to do so, bless their souls
@@TheGLaDOSvideoCore
It’s completely impossible to imagine what that experience is like.
I would say “unless you go through it yourself”, but honestly I don’t think even that is true. My feeling is that it’s an experience which goes beyond the bounds of our minds’ very capacity for comprehension. To the point that it becomes less an “event witnessed” and more of a literal, severe, unhealable injury to the brain.
When you see that shellshocked look in a parent holding their child’s destroyed body, you are witnessing in them the mental equivalent of someone having multiple limbs blown off.
So... what about Ukranian kids (around 300K) who got abducted by Russians?
I am not a religious person….but there absolutely has to be a hell and heaven …the level of evil you have to be to throw a party to watch innocent children bombed in Gaza is beyond comprehension…as a human woman, how can that Israeli female in the photo laugh and smile ear to ear as she watched children get bombed….I cannot fathom that kind of evil
You know this exact topic is discussed in deep philosophical conversations. Philosophy of Religion is indeed extremely interesting!!
I recommend reading chapters 75 and 76 of the Quran.
@@17-MASYAl-Qiyamah is such a beautiful Surah
@@17-MASY Whataboutism. Just because you have ugly Islamic verses, doesn't justify Israel's actions.
@@DSAhmed No verses in the Quran are ugly, it is the word of God.
Some of it contain severe warnings and punishments for those who deserve it as justice.
The Maus part really got to me. Not only do I agree that suffering is not (often) a good teacher, but I also think that suffering can teach us the “wrong“ lesson: that the world is an inherently violent place where you are either a victim/weak/colonized or an oppressor/strong/colonizer and the only way to ensure you and your family’s survival is to become an oppressor.
great way to put it. it’s totally the fetish of the strongman so many zionists now exhibit.
Agreed, in fact, victims of violence often become abusers themselves and the cycle of violence is reproduced.
Attack on titan in a nutshell
@@luminousflame haha read my mind exactly
I was brought up to hear "Never Again!" as meaning never again should that happen to _anyone_
The Zionist interpretation is that never again should _we_ be on the receiving end
With the news breaking a few hours after the release of this video that Aaron Bushnell immolated himself in protest of the attacks in Gaza, we've immediately been given an example of one of the bleakest possible ways a person could walk away from Omelas.
Don't forget to bring marshmallows.
@@tamelo You should consider trading in your humanity card. Joking about a man who immolated himself in protest to children being killed is deeply callous.
@@tamelo😂😂😂
Weak willed are you?@@fraugiblets6955
@@fraugiblets6955 bacon is not kosher nor halal then...
„ Suffering doesn’t make you better - it makes you suffer.“ pretty deep
Pretty dumb. How does he think people gain resilience?
@@jeremynewcombe3422That resilience is a learned attribute is a common falsety.
You have missunderstood the meaning of better in the above quote. In the context of the quote it means morally better. Resilience.has nothing to do with moral.
@@pascalzaugg3823 Ok. I'd need to check that part of the video out for myself but I can't be bothered self-flagellating. It doesn't make me better after all.
I think you have exhausted yourself enough by admitting that you may have been wrong.
I saw the picture the other day of a young Palestinian boy and his collection of tiny parrots. Adorable. Then I read the caption, and it was that he, his pets and his mother were murdered days later in an Israeli airstrike.
I'm haunted by that.
I'll never forgive Israel for this. Never.
Lord have mercy...
That poem at the 7 minute mark is unbelievable. Hard not to shed a tear to that. The joy of children laughing is so immense.
Try, "If I Must Die," A Poem by Refaat Alareer.
@cdean2789 I believe It's shown in the video.
Agreed
I sobbed. SOBBED.
I've been thinking about that poem for so long now
Finally, a Palestine video that meets me on my own terms: disgusted weariness that doesn't even know if it's worth bothering to debunk lies told with such carelessness it's as if the point was to not be believable.
What the fuck do we do?
this is so true, seeing constant casual misinformation or outright biased malice, where people actually pride themselves in being cruel, or just trolling to get kicks out of people who actually cares, makes me think whats even the point of trying to change other's mind on comments platforms such as this? the people who relish in the suffering of innocents arent here to have their mind changed, they are here to troll and gloat. And certainlly words typed from a keyboard dont have the power to change that. no, we need something on the level of Schindler's list for them to draw the parallels
@@PetkesPaintingsput so much pressure on the westerns enablers of this fascist genocide that their support for zionism becomes untenable.
@@PetkesPaintingsprotest and vote.
I would have liked a little exploration of the situation reasonable Israelis find themselves in. They live with massive privilege which could not be maintained if Palestinians got equality. They know that the violent actions taken to establish and maintain that privilege invoke righteous anger and desire for vengeance. They were born on a Tiger's back with no way off. So the best they can hope for is to quietly "manage the conflict."
That fear of punishment for the crimes of their fathers, and how lightly it fell on the South African whites is the reason Mandela is loved so widely, in my opinion.
My "scales from eyes" moment came when I was watching a clip from Euronews about 20 years back, in it a Palestinian man was having an argument with an IDF soldier, he was quite animated, but unarmed and never approached closer than a few metres, the man then turned and walked away, whereupon the IDF soldier casually shot him in the back, just planted a bullet in the kidney of an unarmed man
Awesome
@@54032Zepol hasbara filth
@@54032Zepol you should reread your comment ten years later
@@54032Zepol I pray you find it in you to regain your humanity at some point and will still be able to look at yourself in the mirror after that.
Do you have more details so we can find the clip and validate your story?
Thanks for this. Phenomenal video, as always.
As an anti-Zionist American Jew, I've found myself isolated and alienated not only by the unfathomably immoral White House response (and thoroughly maddening and irresponsible coverage by the so-called "liberal" media), but also by the unfathomably immoral and tribal response by my family and supposed community. It can be hard to feel a part of a broader international community of people concerned with social and economic justice and courageous Jewish people who are willing to apply their values equally (even to themselves and the groups/identities/belief systems with which they themselves identify), but videos like yours remind me that this is indeed the case.
The deliberate conflation by Israel (and its supporters/defenders/apologists) of Zionism and antisemitism strikes me as itself deeply antisemitic -- I'll never be okay with the perpetrators and supporters of a genocide insisting that it's being done in my name or best interest. I find it insulting, as somebody who belongs to a group in which the shared cultural trauma of the Halocaust plays such a critically important and omnipresent role, that anybody -- let alone my Jewish family and fellow community members -- would even try to make that argument. I will not have my cultural identity exploited and used against me by an authoritarian right-wing government seeking to justify its unjustifiable project of genocidal ethnostate expansion at the expense of tens if not hundreds of thousands of indigenous people's lives. History has spoken, re: all the people in Germany and across the world who remained complicit during the Halocaust (and let's face it, many of them had a lot more to lose by speaking out than American Jews do now).
There are also plenty of Jewish people sitting in Israeli prisons -- for things like protesting war crimes against civilians, refusing to be conscripted into mandatory military service, etc. Women in Israel have been protesting and getting arrested and locked up for decades because they aren't permitted to pray at some of Israel's most holy religious sites, for instance. It's a restrictive, oppressive regime internally as well as on the world stage. To call Zionism the same as Judaism -- to accept the propagandistic conflation of terms advanced by Netanyahu's authoritarian regime -- is to fail to show solidarity with all the brave Jewish people in Israel who are suffering the consequences for living their values: values that compel them to stand up for freedom, gender equality, peace, and/or democracy despite the fact that the IDF's guns are a lot closer and pose far greater danger to them than they do to us, their supposed cousins and community members in the US and elsewhere.
I also appreciate the Maus plug. One of the best graphic novels ever committed to glossy paper and one of the most fascinatingly complex oral histories/ explorations of modern and historical Jewish identity in any medium; and the book that, for me, kicked off an obsession with adult comix that started more than 20 years ago when I stumbled upon Maus in a Boston public library as an undergrad and that remains with me to this day.
Your thoughtful essay means a lot to me, and gives me a well-researched, historically-grounded, clear, and clarifying resource to share with others.
Thank you from a Muslim, I hope that one day we will find peace.
Your people are only safe because of Israel. All the pogroms, Farhud, dhimmitude, are all gone because of Israel. Do you understand this?
I genuinely think Israel deliberately acts in this way and pretends its all done on behalf of Jewish people, so the genuine antisemitism would ramp up and more settlers would come into their country. Disgusting.
People like you give me hope ❤
Maus is Zionist propaganda tbh.
Fuck me, I have not seen the "nurse" video before. The acting is something, that's for sure.
Even the writing (if it was written and not just improvised): "I can't believe I'm doing this" is not even starting to sound believable.
Phone scammer type shit
It's even funnier when you speak arabic, in the video she has to be what seems like Syrian dialect,not Palestinian. Even funnier is that it's a damascus accent, AKA the accent you hear in all syrian soap operas 😂..
@@ibraheemali7028 شكلها تعلمت العربي تبعها من جميل و هناء ولا عيلة خمس نجوم. الله يخزيها عقد ما مصخرت حالها 🙄
Holy shit the sound effects are worse than some roblox games, and that's a very low bar.
I know this comment will get buried but what the hell.
I'm Jewish and this video spoke to me incredibly, especially the section on Maus. I haven't read Maus in a long time, probably since I was in middle school, and it could do with a re-read because a lot of the nuance went over my head even when I understand the weight of the holocaust. But what you and Art are describing speaks to something I've seen over and over in my personal life, and hopefully somebody reads this who can understand.
My Jewish family supports Israel right now, today. They support the IDF and what it does, even though they are American Jews who have been to Israel once (maybe twice) in their entire lifetimes. My father is pretty deeply racist and my mother can be as well, though they both hide it well enough as liberals who live in a very liberal American city. But then, they would never see themselves as racists, and never equate what they are doing or saying to what the villains of history have done before. Speaking to my father about Israel is like speaking to a brick wall. My father knows that I work, professionally, in politics. He understands that knowing the nuances of situations like this is my job, and openly concedes he knows much less on the topic than I do. But he and my mother will never budge an inch on emotional support of Israel, as if their lives depend on it. And at a certain point, I needed to step back and realize that the reason is because their entire identity of being oppressed for being Jewish is at the core of their ideology. Antisemitism is very real and very dangerous, but they've learned to see that threat everywhere, especially from Muslims, and at all times regardless of context. Imagine, if you will, a walnut at the center of a ball of rubber bands. The ball is a person's ideology, and every new rubber band is something new you believe in. The deeper and earlier you learn those beliefs, the more you would need to remove before you can replace it with something new. For my parents, and the parents of every Jewish kid I grew up with in my Jewish community, the very core of their ideology is the persecution of Jews, and ensuring their defense by any means necesarry. It is the unquestioning loyalty to the military preservation of Jewish people from oppression. This belief didnt arise from malice, but it has absolutely been aided by it. And if you wanted to change this belief, if you wanted to remove the walnut at the core, you would need to strip down literally every belief my parents have ever had in their entire lives, and then build them again from scratch. That is a LONG process, and not an impossible one. We've seen it done for survivors of alt-right groups who want to be rehabilitated. But it takes time, deliberate effort, and a community that wants to see it done. And I don't think we ever will, frankly. I lived with my parents for 23 years, and I don't think they'll ever change their ways. I think my dad is a good person at heart, and I've seen true compassion from him. But I've also seen just how that rotten walnut at the core is, and I don't think I'll ever be able to get it out.
I feel you. I’m an anti zionist jew as well and it feels rlly isolating :/
@@mixie.-. Honest question: what do you think would happen to the Jewish people in Palestine if the state of Israel stopped existing? Do you see any way for Jews living in safety if groups like Hamas or Hezbollah are around, whose goal is to exterminate all Jewish life? Or do you advocate for the evacuation of Jews from Palestine? Then where would these people go?
@@MarvTube87Hamas would most likely disband if Palestinians are given their independence, as they were only created as a reaction to Israel’s colonial violence. The person in charge should be someone who doesn’t view one party as superior to the other and all people should be given equal rights. This includes Israelis, who are welcome to stay if they want, or can go back to their original roots in Europe. Also it’s a strange question asking me what would happen to Jewish people once Israel is gone, because Israel doesn’t represent all Jewish people and many Jews are antizionist bc the torah themselves state that Jews aren’t supposed to have a state
@@MarvTube87Do you think it's only Hamas that have any say in Palestine?
How about Fatah and PFLP that is now grasping straws at the West Bank against Hamas themselves and the Israeli Settlers?
We almost had a Peace Declaration between Israel and Palestine through Yitzhak Rabin's and Yasser Arafat's mediation but the Zionists blew it over by literally assasinating Rabin. And Hamas winning against both Political and Literal Armed conflict betwen Fatah's PLO.
Your shallow understanding of Palestinian politics and the weight of the internal conflict within PNA is absolutely disgraceful
@@mixie.-.Bro google the Rwandan Genocide if you think that ending colonial oppression magically erases all ethnic hatred. When colonialism in Rwanda ended and the Hutu underclass took power from the ruling Tutsi, did the two groups live in peace? No, the Hutu’s hatred for the Tutsi only grew for thirty years until they massacred 800,000 Tutsi in 1994.
Hatred is not a rational emotion. It does not disappear when no longer necessary. It mutates and survives to the next generation, like a virus.
“Do it to spite those fuckers blocking the trucks”
Raw as hell
💘
1:24:02 ❤
you best as fuck as I went and did it. PCRF 50 bucks
Those fuckers are victims
@@the.amazing.spatterman You rock! Just thought you should know :).
Your point about how evil faking the dead children with the old movie footage really hit me. It’s a clear indication of the capacity of hate some of these creeps have.
I don’t know why I am even surprised
All of TH-cam is filled with them
I’m convinced 60% or more are bots
@@pcliff9473 me too
As a Palestinian, I'm so grateful for you making this video.
where do you live?
@@potatomancer9473 In Jordan, my entire family was displaced since 1967
@@CuteCat200200 sorry to hear that, where did they live before 67 ?
@potatomancer9473 Palestine. Looking at your replies to other people, I can smell your evil genocide denialism a mile away. Go ahead and be racist all you, show your true colors, no need for small talk.
I'm also Palestinian and am extremely grateful for this video.
It is fascinating that the Wikipedia page about the Holocaust is what TH-cam placed as context for this video.
Notice anything missing from that text, like other 7 million?
Right? The largest mass killing of jews in history done by... Europeans
maybe you should question why
very interesting
I mean, at the end of the video he talks in detail about Maus, so it at least makes some sense?
Not the wikipedia link choice I would've done though. :p
One thing to note about The Ones who Walk Away from Omelas is that throughout the description of Omelas, the narrator asks the reader if they believe Omelas exists, over and over again--just before they tell about the child, they say: "Do you believe? Do you accept the festival, the city, the joy? No? Then let me describe one more thing:" After they finish telling you about the child, they ask again: "Now do you believe them? Are they not more credible?"
The notable thing is that on a gut level they are--that through the whole time the narrator describes the early Omelas, it sounds too good to be true, it sounds fantastical and unrealistic. But when they describe the child, it really does make Omelas sound more believable, more like a place that could exist--even though it's the most fantastical element of the story, the part that *ought* to strain our imaginations the most!
On this reading, part of what LeGuin is pointing out is the epistemic error of excessive cynicism, that we have such a strong feeling that any improvement to the world can only come at a terrible cost that it's easier to believe that a city made some kind of strange demonic pact than that it could just be happy. Utopianism is often criticized, and perhaps rightly, but I think part of what TOWWAFO shows is that it's easy to become so skeptical of a utopian vision that the thing you're suspicious of is not the implausibility, but just the *goodness*; that just building a better world without making terrible sacrifices is unrealistic, but that the most strained, fantastical costs to such a world are not.
This is so interesting to read about, thanks for explaining all this! Do you think this reading of Omelas can coexist with Shaun's less edifying one about moral paralysis and cynicism and individuals divesting from the state? Omelas is such a deceptively simple story but it clings to you with so many philosophical hooks
@@lmn977 Yes, I definitely don't take my own reading to be incompatible with Shaun's and in general I think any reading of a story that offers something of interest is valid. I think my reading's relevance to the video has more to do with the points Shaun makes to towards the end, about the possibility of making things better - it's true that, as Maus shows, the world is not guaranteed moral progress; it's not inevitable that we learn from our mistakes. But it's also not the case that moral progress is impossible - not everything is zero-sum, it's not a law of nature that every improvement to someone's life involves a worsening of someone else's
Yeah, people fear that helping others will cause them to lose what little piece of pie they have, when it would actually increase the whole pie.
@@Eudaletism The worst aspect of this zero sum perspective is that some people are only able to appreciate their piece of pie if they can see that others' pieces are smaller than their own, and would rather that the total pie shrink rather than that they get a bigger but equal piece of a bigger pie.
thank you so so much for taking the time and effort to comment this! you’re very eloquent, and just ugh, this interpretation of the text is both compelling to me and incredibly important. it seems like an actual tangible piece of evidence which points to the subjective urge to reject positive plans for action which many, many people are overcome by once a proposed idea becomes “too optimistic.” there is absolutely something to be said for utopianism, but our current capitalist society necessitates that we remain discouraged and ignorant to the power we actually hold. if we don’t continue to work towards overcoming our inner cynicism and subsequent inaction, everything will remain stagnant and depressing. and it absolutely doesn’t have to!
I saw a Palestinian girl with the bottom half of her jaw hanging limp like a piece of meat with no pain killers or anaesthesia
Hamas propaganda and cgi
@@54032ZepolWow, so now we're denying people dying at all. Hmm, when did that ever happen, I wonder.
Funny
@@54032ZepolAh yes, the people currently dehydrated, starving, sick and undergoing genocide have world class CGI.
@@54032Zepol N*zi
the police hitting the pallbearers with batons makes me lose faith in humanity, but the pallbearers REFUSING to let the casket touch the ground even ONCE gives me faith. palestinian endurance is unbelievable
thank you for pointing this out 😭
and the fact the pallbearers where mostly muslims
Saints. May they be blessed by Allah.
@@Dorian-lq3up This war, like so many others, would not be happening if people didn't believe in beings like 'Allah' or 'Yahwe' or any of that sort.
@@RiesenWuschelThis is a war about land and colonialism, not religion. Religion just gives Israel/the US an extra reason to call for genocide.
“Many of us like to ask ourselves, ‘What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?‘ The answer is, you’re doing it. Right now.” - Aaron Bushnell
Well I certainty wouldn't douse myself in petrol and light myself on fire, that's for sure.
It was to send a message
@UndecidedCryptid Why? Whats so wrong in it?
Something to consider: When media reports that an enlisted soldier "made the ultimate sacrifice" by putting their life on the line to defend civilians in combat, we don't generally consider that a suicide, right? We are all aware that there are circumstances in which a soldier can take actions which they know for a fact will get them killed which are not suicidal. These actions are not necessarily indicative of a deep and abiding depression which drives someone to take their own life.
When someone volunteers for rear guard duty which they and everyone else know is going to get them killed, to screen a civilian retreat, the first place our mind jumps is not suicide. I don't think anyone would describe that person's internal state of mind as suicidal. There is in fact a sense of heroism within humans which can drive us to self annihilation in the defense of others, when we believe it is the only way to protect those people. It's not the default, it is exceptional and unusual ... but we don't apologize it as mental illness because of that. Instead we recognize it as exceptional in the opposite direction, as something to be respected and even admired.
On February 25th, Aaron Bushnell, an active duty US airman, decided he was complicit in genocide and the murder of innocent civilians. And he decided the most effective way he could protect those civilians instead would be to immolate himself in an act of protest. An act with a proven track record of changing political discourse around supporting foreign wars in the United States, specifically when filmed.
Why, specifically, are you labeling this as an active suicide derived from mental illness, rather than the act of a soldier consciously making the decision to die to protect civilians?
@UndecidedCryptid you are being stupid.
The image of Palestinian ambassador to the U.K.'s 7 year old niece *SIDRA HASSOUNA* found hanging from a wall with her legs blown off. 7 members of her family (including her twin, a 3 year old and a 15month old baby) were killed in the Israeli missile blast in Rafah 2 weeks ago. R.I.P
@@awesomeguy4358 But what about....
@@awesomeguy4358 israel has repeatedly knowingly killed israeli hostages but go off I guess
@@awesomeguy4358They can't cause most of them were also butchered by the same bombings.
@@TheDizx That isnt whataboutism. Gazans hanging on to hostages is what causes the war to continue. Even if this story is true, as true as the hospital bombing, I'm guessing, who hung these kids on the wall? This generation's quickness to believe terrorists because of 'ma fascism' is frightening. As someone who has been inside of Gaza, I can tell you, you're all fckn wrong.
@@awesomeguy4358And there was a Hamas base in that child's skull, yeah yeah we get it.
Watching this a week after the fascist prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, got a standing ovation from my government's congress following his speech 😢
IT WAS DISGUSTING!😡
i know i felt disgusting watching the representatives that are supposed to be the voice of the people applauding the speech of a war criminal and mass murderer
I'm starting to notice a trend of angry comments that call the video bullshit, but don't argue against a single point made in it. Almost like they're commenting without watching.
Followed closely by comments that angrily complain that this guy is so STUPID that he doesn't even ADRESS this... thing that Shaun does adress.
Every half-assed hasbara comment in this comment section has already been adressed in the video, so frustrating!
it is just JIDF, they get paid few cents per post, ignore them.
@@BarcaHannibal exactly, especially once he started his "history" of palestine lulz he gives the game away when he doesn't he mention oct 7th, i mean wtf
@@mudkatt2003 he actually mentioned Oct 7. Something in line of it was embarrassing for Israel and failure on their side.
This would be as we blame population of Gaza for electing Hammas in 2006, and bringing nothing but devastation for their peoole (which is actually true). Im from Iran and the only aid they have been sending for 30 years is rockets. And I know my corrupt government too well to know any of their proxies and supporters such as Hammas are just scum on the earth.
@@Sputterbug he didn't debunk anything lol there are mountains of pictures, videos and first hand accounts of what hamas did on oct 7th as well as hamas' theft of aid and use of civilians as human shield (a war crime). he didn't debunk any of that. Then he recited hamas' version of recent history by quoting only one book and then basically said that if hamas kills women and children in an unprovoked massacre it's ok, but if Isreal defends it's self then they are war criminals.
35:25 the gasoline analogy couldn’t have been a more horrific coincidence
I just looked up the dates to confirm that this was an eery coincidence. ⛽☸. What a week.
yeah i was just thinking that aged… weird……
@@26cheesecake26oh god what’s the context for this?
@@cybersearcher1041context is a guy named aaron Bushnell who immolated himself in front of the Israeli embassy and donated his life savings to palestinian children
@@cybersearcher1041aaron bushnell
As a Palestinian, my grandfather took refuge in Syria in 1948, and I was born in Syria, and neither I nor my father visited my homeland, because the right of return was taken away due to the presence of the Israeli occupation. At the same time, any Jew in the world, regardless of his nationality, can go to our land in Palestine and carry the citizenship of the Israeli occupation. Our pain is 75 years old.💔💔
Allah is the ultimate provider of justice. Have no fear nor doubt, simply believe in His power and might.
Not true. Not a single Jew lives in Palestine
@@mmelshapbsglobalthere's many jews living in the west Bank illegally
@@mmelshapbsglobal
if they follow the true religion of God, then those who live in occupied Palestine can't be called Jews, but rather Zionists who occupy land in the name of Judaism.
@@mmelshapbsglobalthey do, they just call it "israel" now
This video was made 5 months ago. 5 months.
"You can't claim moral superiority when asking for support, but then moral equivalence to excuse your crimes"
What a beautiful quote
Israel: watch me
That jumped out at me too above all things in this great vid
Ironically it also applies to the other side
@@qiang2884ironicly it Applies To Israel As well.
I see what you were trynna do lmao you aint sly.
@@qiang2884 Damn, it's almost like that's the point of the video:
That it's bad *regardless* who does it and that *both* need to stop.
Great commentary, very insightful
Breaking down the fake hospital video is an incredible masterclass in debunking actual fake news. amazing work, as ever
how about next time to break down the millions of fake videos and blaming of the hospital bombing on israel from hamas side while also bombing hospitals in israel😂 oh wait you wont want that cuz it would break your one sided world view
“Break down millions of videos”
What? Literally no human being has the time for that? That would take years?
@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat hyperbole but keep pretending to not know that, you biased people are great at feigned ignorance.
@@RODFLOPYeah the hospital that got leveled by a faction that doesn't have large military equipment or support. Like come on man this isn't a zero sum game. The conflict needs to fucking end, because people are dying. Many people are dying. And not so coincidentally the population that's dying is disproportionate to the casualties on the other. Especially civilian casualties.
You wouldn't wanna admit that because of your one sided world view though. Because you're spineless.
I had a baby at the end of September. The circumstances were a bit messy and we ended up needing a c-section surgery to get her out. It was heart wrenching to think about how a mom and baby in our situation would be dead if we lived in Gaza. Every time I jokingly want to say to my baby that she’s “the hungriest baby in the world” because she’s eating voraciously like babies do I feel a pang of guilt. There are truly hungry people in Gaza right now, babies who will never nurse with their mothers ever again. My heart breaks for Palestine. I feel like I must be missing something, my government insists that israel are the good guys but I see the devastation with my own eyes, hear the first person accounts in the safety of my home. We have to continue to remind the world not to forget the innocents of Palestine.
your comment hurts, i hope your baby grows up to be a wonderful, productive member of society and, hopefully, alongside her, 1000s of km away, maybe palestinian children can hope to grow up in a similar manner.
The USA doesn't even care about the suffering and oppression of Black Americans, genocide of Native Americans, racial discrimination against Latino Americans in Florida & Texas, the ban of abortion in the USA & homeless people (many being veterans) who are hungry/dying every night.
Why would they care about Palestinians?
There are people being genocided in the millions right now in the world.
Ughyrs in China and Ukrainians.
Nobody cares about them either let alone talks about them.
The world is fucked.
My heart is breaking whilst watching these babies being born to be the oldest living relative of their entire family.
It’s beyond devastation and we’re powerless to the powers that be.
I can’t stomach it.
When the govt is telling you not to believe your lying eyes, there's a problem
@@foreverNwonder What about the innocent Israeli babies tortured and burned by the Palestinians on October 7?
"Do it to spite those fuckers blocking the trucks" is honestly powerful. I guess a lot of people need that kick of spite on top of the idea of starving children. People do get desensitized to tragedy, but having something to fight against tends to work for people generally speaking, throughout history it seems.
The people at the door never say anything, but the child, who has not always lived in the tool room and can remember sunlight and its mothers voice, sometimes speaks.
"I will be good," it says. "Please let me out. I will be good!"
They never answer.
This short story helped me so much to understand the moral rot at the center of the western world and my own privileged existence in the US.
@@johnrichey2976 It isn't limited to the western world. I have family in a developing country with far more visible and extreme wealth disparities, they are very quick to dehumanise those considered to be part of the lower classes.
We must leave. All of us. Soon.
@@elfpi55-bigB0O85and take the child with us
@@elfpi55-bigB0O85 will you be good?
I was a premie baby, by about a month and a half. I was 4 lbs when i was born, i was skinny and tiny, and i had to be incubated. The image of the premie babies during the first month of the assault on Gaza broke my mom. She cried every day for a month for the babies in Gaza. Ive been telling her for years that what Israel is doing is immoral, and it doesnt feel great that it took this for her to understand, but i feel like ive never seen a moment like this for Palestine, and it gives me hope. Ive never seen more people marching and saying free palestine before. Im seeing the zionists hit the comments really hard, so solidarity forever!
I was born a premie as well. My mother still remains "neutral" even knowing what atrocities are being committed. I hope one day she will reach the same realization as your mother. I love my parents but sometimes find myself thinking "what sort of parent are you?" in my head regarding them, because their care for children seems very much conditional and dependent on where a child is born and raised.
13:45 anyone who works wearing those gloves would find it very unusual to touch your phone, computer, or face while wearing gloves, even if you consciously know they are clean.
100% you would not touch your face, that was a huge giveaway
I used to work at jersey mikes and even I got in that habit
i always say "just because everything is nuanced doesn't mean that nothing is clear"
Oh that's a banger
Hi, linguistics specialist here: That woman 100% has an ISRAELI accent, not Arabic.
also a linguist, can you elaborate on what specifically you noticed abt the accent that was israeli?? i promise this is not a weird "call-out"; i just want to learn more, esp if this is your specialty!
@@KristinaPup not OP but a linguistics student:
An easy way to distinguish is by the letter R (ie. when she says “over”).
The Arabic r (ر) is pronounced as /r/, rolled, trilled, or tapped.
The Hebrew r (ר) is pronounced as /ʀ/ or /ʁ/ which you might know as the “French r”
I'm an Arab and a linguistics grad. That woman doesn't speak a Palestinian accent. It is unmistakeably Egyptian. Her Egyptian is somewhat broken and unnatural.
Not linguist here but Arabic is my first language, I just noticed she said "morphin" , we don't pronounce it like that we say "Morpheen", I can literally smell the hebrew in her accent a mike away
@@hebamohamed2739
I believe you
Just because you can't pinpoint the exact mistakes it's one of those "you know it, when you see it"-cases
Ir rather "when you *hear* it" in this case lol
In 2021, the United Nations voted on recognizing food as a human right. It passed with an overwhelming majority - 181 in favor, 5 who did not vote, and 2 who opposed it.
If you're reading this comment & watching this video, you probably have a good guess on who those two countries were.
Russia and China duh!
The explanation on the US side is hilarious... the US Mission to UN has a detailed document on why they were Against on the vote
"...However, the resolution also contains many unbalanced, inaccurate, and unwise provisions the United States cannot support."
"The United States is concerned that the concept of “food sovereignty” could justify protectionism or other restrictive import or export policies that will have negative consequences for food security, sustainability, and income growth"
And after saying the why, they Followed by
"We also do not accept any reading of this resolution or related documents that would suggest that States have particular extraterritorial obligations arising from any concept of a “right to food,” which we do not recognize and has no definition in international law."
It's literally just:
"Uhh right to food is actually bad, also it may be used to block trade, and also we don't want you to read the resolution document ever again, byeee! 👋👋"
I mean what in the actual blazes? 😂😂😂
@@54032Zepol United States and Israel.
@@aribantala I think the point is that guranteeing food for everone could inadvertantly lead to food scarcity in the cases where any interlinked country within the system chooses to selectively ignore benefitting the whole, as well as a mechanism to deprive people of food when it is convenient (hence threat to food security)... its an overly pragmatic if not paranoid take, so it's very USA. This kind of logic is why things take a long time to get better, people are too afraid to risk idealist policy because they are afraid of it being exploited.
@@honestpuck4887NAHHHH no wonder US school lunches suck😢
Writing this currently from my job in Jerusalem. If I have anything to add is that the moment I heard that nurses voice I knew she didn’t know a lick of Arabic.
I’m happy that you’ve realised the horror of the situation. Are you planning to move? What is the attitude of the general Israeli citizen?
@@kakonthebed Hard to say I’ve realized the horrors. I’ve always had mixed feelings about this conflict, as well as many others here. That’s why even the left and all my anarchist punk friends can’t exactly properly support the Palestine movement. All of them are victims of a conflict they didn’t have anything to do with. Half of them were forced to enlist as it’s the law, whether they support the cause or not. Half of them have had to bury their brothers and sisters in this war, while getting DMs on instagram calling them Zionist scum. All the while my friends in the IDF get shown explicit videos and images of r*pe during October 7th. But most of the populace think Arabs are scum and Gaza should be flattened. I get customers that ask me if any of ‘them’ work here. A little Arab girl got shot in a crossfire right up my street a few weeks ago. When I said she was a poor soul I heard people say she was going to be a terrorist anyways.
I’ve always wanted to move, and I will. Just today I picked up my Australian passport, lord knows how hard it was for me to get it. Even without the conflict, this place is just poisonous. You can’t live your life here. You live to work until you die just to not make enough to pay for rent.
@@kakonthebed I wrote a whole comment but I think it got taken down. To shorten it though, I’ve always had mixed feelings about this conflict, so does everyone else on the left here. A lot of them were forced to enlist by law. A lot of them suffered casualties and lost loved ones. A lot of them got harassed online for being Jewish. A lot of them that enlisted were shown explicit unreleased videos of atrocities committed by Hamas during Oct 7. So it’s complicated. Most people here though want to see Gaza flattened and genuinely hate Palestinians. I’ve always wanted to move. I actually picked up my AU passport just today. This place is poisonous.
@@flapadodawhitewoods5670 Jeez, that’s horrible. I’m excited for you that you’ve got your passport though. I’m sure a big part of that attitude is propaganda. Sending hope from South Africa 🇿🇦. I hope your fellow countrymen and the culture of your nation will change. They don’t deserve hatred for being Jewish too, obviously, so stay safe
@@kakonthebedwtf are you talking about?
My best wishes to the people stuck in Palestine. No one deserves this.
I will never forget that in my final year of high school, in Philosophy class, my teacher tried to bully everyone in the class into "admitting you would simply choose to live in Omelas". I was a very idealistic, chivalrous guy who had only recently begun to fall out of my Catholic upbringing. I refused to say I would.
He told me that Le Guin was saying there is nothing beyond Omelas. When I protested that wasn't what the story said, he gaslit me and snapped my book shut. I was more stubborn than I was clever, so instead of calling out his behaviour, I said I'd take my chances in the wilderness.
I had never seen a teacher look at me with the amount of fury he had that day. It was a weird feeling because for years I said he was a great teacher, one that helped me "wake up" out of my willfully ignorant Catholic Conservativism.
Now that memory just makes me feel so upset.
I'm sorry this happened
But
It is beyond funny that somebody who teaches kids all day apparently didn't consider the possibility that he might encounter a stubborn contrarian
@@DeoMachina Genuinely, especially since almost every class devolved into arguments between myself and the other contrarian of the class. While I was the Romantic Deist you could say the other kid was basically an Ayn Rand fanboy. It was a hilarious mess in that class and the teacher would tease both of us for our positions often.
That said, even though I bet I would have a lot to correct about teenage me at that time, I still think the teacher came out an absolute clown.
@@DeoMachina school isn't about teaching you how to think, it is about teaching you what to think, those who do think by themselves find it... frustrating to say the least.
Then everyone clapped.
I’m always baffled by people who are certain they’d walk away. Our clothes, food, and technology is all produced with torture and slave labor. The stability of our lives relies on the exploitation of others. The only difference is that here you don’t have have to acknowledge your complicity and in Omelas you do.
Ending with Maus is unbelievably based
How 5 hours ago when the video is only 1 hour old?
@JLady Early access for patreon supporters and similar (e.g. the video is uploaded unlisted and supporters are given links)
Hey, NightDocs! I really enjoyed your video about the Beast of Gevaudan.
Hope you make more videos soon. I really used to enjoy your stuff
Can you buy Maus in Palestine? Furthermore can you also read Maus to kids in Tennessee public schools?
I find the point that "Suffering doesn't make you better; it just makes you suffer." especially apropos given the passing of Aaron Bushnell-the US airman who self-immolated yesterday to protest the genocide. I hoped that the media would be forced to cover his death and the motivations for his actions. I hoped that some would be snapped out of their ignorance, inspired to organize, or pushed towards their local BDS movement. But now... I can't help but think that atrocities don't make change inevitable. We're going to have to actively work hard to make sure that the sacrifices of everyone fighting for Palestinian liberation are worthwhile.
Why would they? The man was a tool. And Israel's war is no less horrendous than any other war; calling it a genocide and hurting yourself doing it only makes you a useful idiot that had it coming.
Palestinian liberation isn't worthwhile, not when Palestinians themselves hold some of the most regressive beliefs, and "liberation" entails imperialism and ethnic cleansing in all but name. That doesn't justify Israeli imperialism, but you people don't actually care about that either in any reasonable measure.
i’m so upset no one has talked about it on the news..!!
@@samaraisnt Why would anyone care what a crazy person does? Just another t*rrorist.
@@samaraisnt Not sure why anyone would c@re about it
He walked away from Omelas...
The worst thing is most people who side with Israel or are sitting on the fence, won't end up clicking on a video like this or will click off as soon as they feel like their false beliefs are in danger, and now they have to actually think and consider the reality that maybe they've been on the wrong side this whole time.
people who support Israel are smart enough not to watch an hour-long video with a random leftist that ignores the terrorism that the Palestinian people are doing
@@aniros116So you admit you didn’t watch the video thus proving @ItsMeSNiPEZ point.
@@aniros116Not all Palestinian people are involved with Hamas. Half of them are kids, come on mam.
@@bigbluebuttonman1137 nope, all of them, about kids, when a kid aims a weapon at you just should stay and do nothing yea?
@@cojoes1423 i didn't even need to, you lefties all the same, same anti-Semitism that you cover up with "poor Palestinians", which only with smiles did 10/7.
I was raised in Israel and I was repeatedly lied to as a child about how the conflict between Israel and Palestine, I won't make things about myself but I left Israel now and I'll be donating to Palestine as soon as I can land a new job here, I've walked away.
I'm sorry that you had to live through this, friend
If you don't mind sharing, I'm very interested to hear what Israelis are taught about Palestine and Palestinians growing up. As an American, I can relate to realizing that not only has everything you've been taught a watered-down lie, but they're lies told to cover up atrocities.
חחחחח אתה ישראלי כמו שאני צנצנת, שקרן
I’m also curious if you can tell the difference between people your age who’s families have been there since Ottoman rule before WW1 and people who’s parents and grandparents moved to Israel after that.
Power to you and good luck
"You can't claim moral superiority when asking for support, but then moral equivalence to excuse your crimes."
This might be the most insightful one-liner I've ever heard from Shaun. I am writing this one down now so I do not forget it. After watching the whole video, I think it's one of the best ones Shaun has made, and I'm very grateful to have seen it.
Except this is exactly what the Islamic world on a whole has been doing for the past 1400 years
The problem is that this quote has a lot of issues. As it is extremely reductive.
Firstly moral superiority is not about not committing crimes. It's exactly the moral equivalence in committing crimes that can enable one to caim moral superiority.
Secondly what we consider morally equivalent is up to our definition. And there's a lot of examples, where what we consider equivalent or morally equivalent are drastically different.
Thirdly if Israel can't claim moral superiority, by the same token palestine can't, as shaun implicitly proclaims as well, but this renders the whole quote irrelevant because it is symmetric.
Fourthly Pretending that states or groups of people act like individuals is extremely flawed. The "you" in this quote leads to a contradiction that can be equally placed in the fact that groups act contradictory compared to individuals.
And lastly it's questionable if one even needs to excuse crimes to claim moral superiority. Understanding that crimes are inexcusable can even be a sign of moral superiority.
(And forgot to say that it's also a valid question if saying "but Palestinians do it do" does imply that people cheering the bombing don't consider it a crime to do so. This is quite awful but a lot of right wingers will believe that their cheering is no "crime" as they are cheering for what is just in the first place)
I'm sorry that I'm so nitpicky about this. But using this quote and example shows the guidelines of shauns thinking. He explains or excuses why he puts the emphasis on Israel. But let's face it that is not dependent on Israel claiming moral superiority at all.
From my point of view it basically puts this conflict into the wrong debate. Because the only thing we are doing here is basically argue our own opinion of what moral superiority looks like (or what is justified or who is right or who started it). Who to empathize with, and than being sad that humans don't act accordingly and don't even seem to learn from any of this. This also means that the solution to this conflict seems to be realizing the inherent worth in any human being. So we will be really sad in the end because our own perceived moral superiority will not be realized when we project it onto the conflict. And even worse it makes us implicitly believe that if everyone shared our perspective there would not be a conflict as we have a solution to it already, while not noticing that our way of looking at the conflict is already part of it while not leading to a solution.
Additionally makes us unable to see palestinians as more as just victims and israelis more as just perpetrators. Both is a disenfranchisement and both make us unable to understand the ambivalence of this conflict. Which is so important if we want to be able to find a solution.
This however is extremely stupid, most israelis and most palestinians won't care if they are morally superior if at least there was some kind of solution (or lets face the sad truth, if at least they wouldn't be dying). We know that bombing gaza will not help at all in finding a solution, however justified it might be. Even if no crimes were committed in the process, bombing gaza would most likely not help at all.
So setting it up like shaun does might make us believe that this somehow is about Israel being morally wrong. But it is not. It's about bombing gaza being wrong. (And to close the loop, for anyone that didn't see it yet. Criticizing palestine for anything won't stop the bombing. But this leads to the a posteriori reasoning shaun was doing with this quote)
@@mijubo Saying that morality is subjective is an extremely weak position to hold when trying to counterclaim what Shaun said here. If Israel is deserving of foreign aid (i.e., morally superior), then why are they intentionally bombing civilians (such as by lying about terrorist groups operating out of hospitals)? Shaun is pointing out this logical incongruity. I also like what he said later: the party with the greater power is the party with the greater responsibility. Israel has such a tactical advantage for a war in Gaza that they shouldn't need to kill civilians in anywhere close to these numbers. If they wanted to hunt down a terrorist group without harming civilians, they are powerful enough to do so. They are choosing not to, and lying about the reason why.
@@NoSpanks I particularly pointed out that the importance here is what we consider morally equivalent. So this was not about morality being subjective. It is pointing out that for israel supporters bombing children by accident (they will say it's by accident or hamas forced their hand) is not equivalent to hamas hunting children to kill while trying to avoid the military.
This is an important point because I think, like you say, we must all agree that killing children is wrong. It shouldn't be subjective at all.
And to make this more clear you then go to "with great power comes great responsibility". The issue here is again the question is what is responsible. For israel supporters it will look responsible how they bomb because their intention obviously isn't killing every palestinian (at least some people in government are advocating against it, sadly I'm not even sure if that's a majority). While hamas is exactly stating that they want to kill every last jew (not even saying israeli, and for that matter everyone they define bad).
So in turn israel supporters will say the most responsible thing is to bomb the living hell out of hamas, and historically speaking they believe it to be right. Bombing the living hell out of everyone that attacks israel is pretty much their foreign policy, and they believe it to be responsible for not having any greater war the last decades (apart from gaza conflicts obviously). This is again an issue of moral equivalence being totally different from shauns perspective to an israeli perspective.
That this obviously doesn't seem to work at all with the gaza conflict in turn strengthens the position of hardliners if we exclaim that this conflict is about doing the "responsible" thing, which they in turn interpret as "we need to bomb more".
Also there is a huge issue with the "power/responsibility" thing, that makes this whole line of thinking quite childish, but I won't bother you with that. Maybe you've read Watchmen they pretty much allude to that.
If one does not understand that these perspectives differ by quite a lot in a conflict that involves both parties for nearly a century. Then it is quite understandable why there is no real solution yet. And I repeat that the question here is if the arguments we believe to be good ones are nothing but a posteriori reasoning to defend what we believe in the first place. (and the reason we do this is again really complicated and sad)
Like I said again this moves the conversation into an argument of moral superiority, of power, responsibility, history whatever. It would be quite the interesting argument to be had. But let's at least stop the bombing first. As whatever stance we have on these topics does not change that the bombing right now does not take us closer to any kind of solution. And while having those arguments people are dying. They also don't seem to further the understanding of the conflict parties.
Anyway there is way more to be said on this whole topic, but this is to long already.
It is truly a "Jesus wept" moment for me as a Christian. The people of God have murdered their own soul.
"Children are dying. [...] That's a succinct summary of humankind, I'd say. Who needs tomes and volumes of history? Children are dying. The injustices of the world hide in those three words." (Steven Erikson)
But children always die, why would them dying more motivate someone to do something?
@@minestar2247 Woah, take it easy! You don't want to cut yourself on all that edge.
@@minestar2247And the birth rate is the lowest it’s ever been across the entire world so do the math. Low birth rate and high child deaths.
@@HerrCron thats not ege, that what you westerners call sanity, because people being hopefully and moral is delusion
@@OGreenWorId you're wrong, only the first world has low child births, that's why you need immigration, we are different, it won't hurt us, but You, as your influx will dwindle
1:05:35 “and I’d trade the whole lot of them [political leaders aiding genocide] for the life of one Palestinian child.” Thank you for that beautiful statement ❤️🇵🇸❤️
The lady in the hospital was the IDF officer acting as a Palestinian, Dr.
"juice and their lies " mhhh
11:26
help gaza : humanappeal.fr/faire-un-don/projets/urgences/urgence-gaza?gclid=CjwKCAiA6KWvBhAREiwAFPZM7nD8FlD_u7KhlWVjeETymCrzvcxYt2d-_9MHilaeSRDyaxlN1hLm6RoCBuIQAvD_BwE
As a lady myself, don't call her a lady. That's a monster lying to millions, enabling and encouraging mass-murder of millions. All of which were innocent people..
No she was an influencer
“Suffering is not a teacher.”
A good reminder to everyone that life is not as idealistic and poetic as we think.
I feel you. As a German, I grew up on this intellectual diet that we have to be on Israel’s side unquestioningly, fanatically, as a way to wash away our generational guilt toward the holocaust victims. I never questioned this incredibly warped, funhouse mirror version of “never again”. Ever since I educated myself on Palestine, I feel so stupid and so easily gaslighted into supporting a brutal, supremacist, oppressive colonial regime. I am seething with impotent rage at the audacity of all of this 🖤
So are you ready to take back the Jews?
As another german I couldn't agree more.
Genuine question from another german:
Who tf genuinely uses the term generational guilt? Im serious. The only people I have ever heard using that phrase are antisemitic neo nazis that want to urge people to "move on". Whenever I have heard people talk about it or when the subject was taught in school it was always about responsibilty and awareness. Not guilt.
Preach brother
As an Israeli, that's fucked up.
To explain, I mean Germany being indebted to Israel at all after like 1970. It's painfully clear that Germany has changed drastically since WWII, and the anger of Jews who survived the holocaust (i.e. my ancestors) is far better directed towards other goals, like, say, documentation of the Holocaust, or advocating against other ongoing genocides, including this war.
Not sure if this means anything, but I found it kind of funny that youtube's algorithm links "The Holocaust" wikipedia article, but has no link to anything about the history of palestine, in a video literally titles "Palestine."
we know why
It's ironic, that the people who went through the Holocaust are now enacting their own Holocaust against the Palestinians. Didn't take them long, right after WW2 Israel and Zionist became a problem.
its a simple bot that picked up the word "genocide". nothing deep
@@user-ConnorKaroThompsonMaybe, but by that logic the Holocaust would show up on videos about the Holodomor, the Rwandan genocide, the Armenian genocide, etc.
@@ShamesBond1984 sometimes it does.
12:12 as a person who speaks Arabic, the white caption on the video is grammatically incorrect.
She says "listennnn.. unbelievable (male active voice)"
She refered by the verb she used to herself as male, which is a Google translate mistake.
If she was Arab she would've used the female verb since there's a huge difference .
Lol! Thanks for pointing that out
True
And talking English while titling in Arabic adds another layer of suspicion to the other multi layers of wrong things in this video
And Even if we said that there were a couple dozens of Hitlers inside,where is the heroic image of the white man in movies who only cares about saving people and he do it and take out the criminals even in impossible situations, looks like the easy situations especially with power tech etc that make tens of other half reasonable approaches is not their speciality huh
And when they take a 0.00000000000000000001% of a sip of their actions(hurting civilians to hurt the criminal) i find a literal mind-blowing yapping every single where even from the people of those who they hurt them , this is good and all but when it becomes a specific thing for certain people only and it becomes a crushing hammer over the heads of other innocent people (on purpose) then it becomes no good at All
This is 100% correct, but is only true 99% of the time because i personally have seen some people wrong gender for adjectives in certain towns here, ive always thought it's a bit stupid and its mostly rare but i dont think that (alone) is definitive because it happens every now and then here
As a medical professional, that is a really cheap stethescope that really isn't considered good enough quality, but in the other ones all the medical staff are using good quality litmann's stethescopes
@@awsamagbarya7275 thats the thing about arabic dialects , dialects like moroccan or north african countries address everyone in a female active voice, meanwhile other dialects differ too. the case with the Palestinian dialect is that it's very easy to spot and learn which is why I quickly pointed it out. But yeah you're right! Great point.
I've been thinking about Omelas while clearing fallen trees lately, and I've realised something:
The ones who do walk away from Omelas walk away knowing what Omelas costs.
The ones who do not walk away from Omelas stay knowing what Omelas costs.
Omelas is a system for creating a society of people who find the cost of Omelas acceptable.
i haven't read the book and only heard of it in this video, but aren't the ones walking away just as guilty as the ones who stay? If they are so against the cost of Omelas, why didn't they save or at least, be kind to the child?
@@emmi5581I was thinking the same thing, destroying Omelas doesn’t seem to be brought up as an option
@@emmi5581 I immediately thought that, but then I realized that, to both be consistent with the rules of how Omelas keeps its prosperity, as well as keep consistent with the overall themes, the response to saving the child is this:
The government or powers-that-be in Omelas would be forced to find another child immediately, and lock them in the cage to suffer forever.
In either case, Omelas' key point both in universe, and thematically, is the same, which is the needless perpetuation of suffering.
@@emmi5581 From the way the story was presented, I don't think they get an option. I think the suffering child is behind several layers of glass, in a lit room, viewed from a pitch-black corridor, and the people taken there to see them are told that they're kept away like that to prevent catastrophic reflexive moments of kindness.
That or, like norsehorse said, anyone who shows that child kindness is immediately seized and stuffed into that room to take that child's place, but that'd be a different story with another choice. The story as told gives the people of Omelas one binary choice: stay or go.
@@Sableagle
It's a short story of just a couple of pages that can be read online.
The child is kept in a grimy cellar with a simple locked door. They come to the door, someone opens it, they watch the forsaken child from the doorway, and then go back up the stairs.
I cannot describe how relieved I was when the leader of my country, Lula, openly called what is happening what it is, genocide, and refused to retract his statements after internal and external backlash. I'm not the most sympathetic to him and his policies, but that right there felt like a genuine manifestation of political representation, this fabled transcendental entity chased by political liberalism. For a moment I felt like I wasn't in Omelas.
BRs no shaun aq
Lula is the best leader Brazil has ever had though, no? Why aren’t you a fan? He seems genuinely progressive and his policies have done great things for Brazil, especially the working class and indigenous peoples..
@@cosmojenkins3020 Indeed he is, but the bar is pretty low. He's also a neoliberal, so despite all the good he did he also enabled a lot of the problems we have today. It's a very complex topic to explain here, but in regards to diplomacy his administrations were great. Economic policy not so much.
@@TheSpoilerOfDreams I'm not Brazilian, but Lula a neoliberal?!?!? He's further left than Boric in Chile, and I wouldn't call Boric a neoliberal, and he seems about the same as Petro in Colombia, which again, wouldn't call a neoliberal either
@@nektarios5291 Petro is much more to the left than Lula. In fact, in this third term Lula's economic policy strongly resembles the right-wing governments that preceded it. Dude wants to privatize prisons, if you want a particularly disturbing example. His first two terms too were marked by great social justice-oriented public policies, but no actual progressive reforms that the country desperately needs, which explains also why all that was gained back then was swiftly destroyed in just 6 years of having the right in power. He's a centrist more than anything. If you really look into his policies you'll understand what I'm saying.
Another guy just lost twins infants and wife😢
And another Israeli hostage was freed, why did that man have a hostage in his home?
@@54032Zepolfishes swims,birds flies and a jay lies...
@@54032ZepolOh, you mean the IDF didn't shoot him this time? They're losing their edge
U need to support your claim with evidence@@54032Zepol
@@54032Zepol bro they bombed his entire apartment. Are you mentally challenged or what?
One of the most disconcerting moments of my adult life was meeting a very nice Israeli woman who told me her family history, a woman in her early 60s who's parents survived the Holocaust and the camps and moved to Israel. Incredible really.
In the next breath I was treated to a racist monologue about black people, arabs and the Palestinians in particular. It was the first time I was confronted with that level of dissonance and a profound lack of self-awareness. It stuck and explains so much. Regular civilians really don't see it. It's depressing to see people so desensitized to mass slaughter. I guess I understand how people watched lynchings, executions and sat in the Coliseum all those years ago.
@@aceboogisback9946talking about systematic issues =/= “labeling an entire population”. I’m an Israeli and I’ll be the first to admit the nation has a tremendous issue with xenophobia and exceptionalism, even on a mundane, everyday level. It’s the entire reason why this jingoistic, inhumane response to 7/10 has been allowed to continue, even by supposed progressives.
I remember seeing an TikTok relating to how young Israelis have parents just like those types of people and it's insane. Imagine being in a point of history where you realize what your parents are, their own thoughts and ideals are, and what they are supporting in this current time.
That's insane...How does anybody who's family lineage goes back towards the worst genocide in Human History be so bigoted
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I wonder how you would have been treated if you had a different accent and style of dress.
I don't think the holocaust is comparable because Hitler's 'reasons' for the holocaust were nonsensical. The Palestinians on the other hand (at least, a large percentage of them) clearly wish to wipe out the Jewish population and are unable to be reasoned with (until this point anyway). If Jewish people in Germany were constantly calling for Germany and it's people to be wiped out, endlessly committing terrorist acts, then it would be comparable
Very based. I know a Sephardic Jew from Russia who is the same