“Why, why, why, why?" is a question my husband constantly asks when I get yet another stove for my collection, lol! I love stoves and after watching this video was reason enough for me to add to my collection! Anyway, he’s lucky I don’t collect diamond jewelry which I don’t care for so he’s getting off very cheaply is my reasoning!
I bought a little stainless wood stove like 8x8x10, then I bought a trangia spirit burner, then I saw the tf artisan titanium, had to have that, then saw the Pathfinder large stainless with the wind guard, had to have that one too.😂 I think I have a collection started lol. It will be interesting to see how they each work due to design and metal types. ✌️
I made an alcohol burner from a mini Altoids tin just like these burners, with mesh and carbon felt. Fits perfectly inside the issue type esbit stove. Holds almost an ounce. Cheap as dirt. The raised tin lid can act as a windbreak on one side of the stove.
Great idea. Just wondering, how did you get a small amount of the carbon felt to make it cost effective? That is what is holding me back from making a similar setup. Thank you
Ive been using a near identical setup for over 15 yrs now. Larger mint tin in Esbit stand x2. Found a zippered pouch that neatly holds the two. Slim bottle of methanol in the empty space alongside the stove. Made my stoves with hardware cloth over mesh over Perlite, bought a 3rd tin to cut the lid into variable sections i could use on the first two stoves to regulate flame and fuel use. Ive made a dozen different stoves using carbon felt and efficient designs, and they work well enough, but this scuffed old Altoids setup keeps doing it the best for me and not using too much fuel. So i keep using them. Got Snowed inside for 4 days with the visiting in-laws few years ago with power outage for 37 hours. My father in law was impressed that i had 2 "burners" going in the kitchen and kept the crew in hot food and drinks until the power was restored. These things are great. Thanks for the video..✌️
Hey Ernie. Giving a Trangia stove to my auntie for Christmas along with your video for that. I combined it with a 64 oz Pathfinder billy can, an Eldris, UCO storm matches, BIC and a hank of 550. Love your videos.
I made an alcohol stove from a mini Altoids tin, carbon felt, and a piece of screen mesh. I've been using it in my Esbit stove with much success. I do like the covers on your stoves that seem to be able to adjust the intensity of the flame.
I make similar burners from Camel SNUS cans (I got them from my son, so they were free to me). I originally cut small strips of corrugated cardboard (also free) and wound them up tightly inside of the can, then I switched to 2 layers of carbon felt ($14.00 per sheet, but one sheet makes 4 burners). The lid to the SNUS cans have a rubber gasket so extra fuel (91% rubbing alcohol) left over in the burner will not leak out. I use 5 hour energy bottles for fuel storage (free after I consume the contents). I bought some $8.00 folding Esbit stoves from Amazon, and it boils two cups of water in like 8 minutes. I estimate each stove costs me around $11.00 not counting my labor.
Excellent find!!! This one knocks it out of the park for size and weight considerations as well as pure versatility between using the alcohol versus the 27gr solid fuel tabs. It's an instant buy 😃 😊
few years ago made a large altoid tin alcohol stove. have to dig it out & try it in my tommy cooker. next i'll have to find a couple of mini altoid tins too modify. thanks for the video & info.
Hi.i use a old British army stove like yours but use a spent 8 hour candle base filled with meths spirit.A boil is always ready within a 5 or 6 minutes weather permitting. A wind shield is a big help. 👍👍thanks for your video and time. Keep on cooking.👍🍳
I can't believe this video has just popped up on my youtube I have just had 2 of the smaller versions of those alcohol burners delivered. They fit into the smaller version of the stove, widely available on the likes of Amazon, AliExpress, etc. Test burn this evening, (using only 1 of the burners) 400ml of water boiled in about 5 mins (enough for 1 persons brew or a dehydrated meal) and burnt for about 7 minutes. Not bad for 20ml of fuel. Like you I am very very impressed with the performance, weight, price, etc. Many thanks for sharing.
I just purchased this on Amazon and moments later typed in "alcohol stove" on TH-cam to see if anyone had a review of it (yeah, I did that process in reverse). Your video came up first. I'm impressed by your results. I love that this stove has the versatility of being alcohol or solid fuel. I also like that it sorta has a minimal wind screen by default. Can't wait to try this out!
I love these, great design. I love Esbit stoves and keep them with the fuel for emergencies, but this will increase the use of these stoves. I have used alcohol stoves with my firebox stoves during power outages, and with these I can use my Esbit stoves for the same thing. thanks, Ernie!
Yep work just as you described it. I bought mine years ago well a year ago. I thought it would make a great addition to SHTF scenarios just to keep the low profile flame from attracting attention to potential bad buggers. Second keep in an emergency power outage and need that cup of coffee in the morning or to boil water to feed the children something hot. If they are not small children they can use to help feed each other in that type of situation, once shown properly how to use it. Still the man to go to for info. SEMPER FI
One could even take out the inserts for the liquid alcohol and then fill the alcohol tins with Swissmar Fire Gel (blue) as an ad hoc fondue to be able to use a third fuel type. Many consider the Fire Gel to be safer to use in the field so it would be an improvement to the kit.
i used to make mesh burners for mamod steam engines out of the bases of wood dye cans, i got bored really fast changing fuel gel blocks and made a dye can insert for an army solid fuel stove that fits in with the stove folded. it works fantastically with a longer burn time.
Love the video, looks like I'm buying my 9th stove. It looks like the only downside side is that there is no way to store the fuel in the inserts. Thanks again.
I've been looking high and low for a rectangular tin so that I could do something similar with my Firedragon without modifying the tray. The small puck stove I have works great resting on the edges of the "reservoir" for the gel fuel, but it isn't the most stable thing, and I wanted something similar that I could nest in it without too much fuss, but also no worry of tipping it. If the long dimension of these is just right, I may be able to use one with minimum modifications to the gel reservoir and have it be stable. It's nice that they ship it with two burners and a fuel bottle, seems like a great value for the money.
Ernie, thanks for the review. I bought this to go inside my esbit 1100. Might make it more versatile for actual cooking, with the longer burn time and adjustability. In the stove base for the 1100 you can get some nice even rolling blue fame with an altoids tin and gel fuel, so im hoping this will provide the same.
Nice. Doc, you keep coming up with new stoves that surprise us (me). Glad you stayed with it. Good luck on reaching your goal of 100k subs. I think you deserve it and more. Just wish TH-cam would leave things alone and let creators have the subs and views that are really here. Us viewers appreciate you.
The solid fuel Esbit was my first foray into personal stoves, when I was in the Army. I primarily used it for brewing up coffee and tea and cooking up "modified" MRE gourmet meals - back when the MRE selections were much less, and much less appetizing. You had to do something to transform many of them just to make them edible. Having an alternative heat source, like alcohol, really steps up the little fuel tab stove concept.
@@cardiacbob Probably not, since the box said Esbit on it. I still have about a dozen boxes. Fired some up a couple months ago to make some coffee, just to see if they were still any good after just over 30 years. They worked just as well as they did back then. Still had a pack of MRE matches tucked into the box with the tabs, and the matches worked, too.
I like this kit alot and appreciate the video. I would, however, like to see the same tests performed with a single burner. I think it would be interesting to see. Thank you.
@@Funkteon I have read about thermodynamics involving a feedback loop in that one burner can influence the output of the other burner in the system. No sure if it is applicable
for under 20 bucks on amazon, i just ordered it. if anything the bigger foldable stove is just a bigger one for my collection and more storage for bigger or more fuel tabs.
With both of them running, the thermal runaway that occurs with these things will give you a boil time of just over 2 minutes for half a litre of water...lol
I used a dremel tool to cut out a hole in my dry fuel stove to fit a small trangia spirit burner but I like this better. Just found one on ebay for £5.99 but the burner is one big unit insted of the two small ones......yep I just bought that. Cuppa tea anybody ?
I love the flame control aspect. I cook when I am camping--and the stoves that can't simmer are of no use to me. I enjoy cooking and would never eat freeze dried food.
Curious to see what the boil time for one with the lid off is. I'm pretty locked into my current setup for when I'm on the trail, but I'm always open to new stoves/stuff when camping with the scouts or just car camping. I've never been a solid fuel stove guy, but this concept is interesting.
talking about flexibility, IMHO the best stove is a hobo with some small holes in the side to put in a couple of skewers for an alcohol stove of your liking, or a pan with solid fuel tablets, even a small gas canister stove - and wood of course. Taken apart, my pack is just half as high as the big Esbit, including a grate and the skewers and a pot support - coming in at 150g/5oz (without fuel)
Cool video. I work as a physicist and have been playing with designs for burning liquid and gel 70% + alcohol post covid surplus. So far nothing has beat a unit made from an aluminum water bottle. But...... My interest has shifted to used vegetable oil room or tent heaters because of the no CO output and the availability of used oil for nothing. The goal is to create a unit that can maintain a 10x10ft room at 60f with an outside temp of 20f. Controlling the soot output of a large wick is the only issue now. Carter.... Canada
Just subbed, I'd love for you to test the Trail Designs Ti Tri. It's crazy to me there are so few videos on it, such a good alcohol stove! It can boil 2 cups in 7 minutes while only using 14g of fuel!
I bought one of those alcohol stoves made by Menolana, I haven’t tried it yet, but just be careful when you’re opening, and closing the stove, because just about every corner of what I call the teeth ,are sharp Took me about 15 minutes to file down all the corners
Super interesting find Ernie, I'm going to have to order one of these play with it some. My Trangia is still my go to but this just seems interesting as all get out
Ernie i too have one of these alcohol stoves with a medium sized esbit stove that holds a single burner perfect that being said i had a hard time blowing out a single burner without the simmer slide on piece / so a single one of these alcohol stoves for me was tad bit hard to blow out / but it is very compact and i can choose witch fuel i like being Alcohol or solid fuel tabs ............ Happy Trails
I was looking at those little burners 2-3 weeks ago and wondered if the burn time would make it worth it or not. Rather surprised by your results given their size.
I purchased this stove and have been expermenting with using just a single burner. My interest is fuel efficiency rather than speed. Using just a single burner in the smaller Esbit folding stove (97mm X 73mm), a Toaks titanium 550 ml pot,15 ml of yellow Heet and 16 ounces of water, I ran three tests for burn time and degrees-Fahrenheit raised. All testing was done in my kitchen under ideal conditions without wind. The first two tests were duplicates. In each case, my tap water was 78°F at the beginning. Test 1 -- The burn ran 17 minutes. I let the fuel completely burn out. The final temperature was 198°F -- an increase of 120°f -- and plenty hot enough for coffee. I believe I could rehydrate a dehydrated or freeze-dried meal with this and a little patience. I then made a piping hot cup of green tea. Test 2 -- Thinking perhaps the low flame in the final 1-2 minutes was insufficient to preserve the highest temperature reached, I ended the test when the flame ceased making contact with the bottom of the pot. The pot was in contact with the flame 15 minutes 21 seconds. The final temperature was 192°F -- an increase of 114°F -- suggesting there may be additional heat to be gained from that last minute or so of dying flame. I turned this test result into a piping hot cup of chamomile tea. Test 3 -- Using water I had left in the refrigerator overnight, I began this test with 16 ounces of water at 42°F. I wanted to know how the burner would perform at a more realistic water temperature found in the field. I was expecting to end up with a significantly smaller gain in temperature, but the opposite occurred. I have no explanation. The burn lasted 16 minutes 40 seconds and the final temperature was 182°F -- an increase of 142°F -- more than sufficient to rehydrate the package of ramen I had for my lunch, following a 10-minute soak.
Hey Ernie, pretty cool looking stove kit. Thanks for showing it off. Are you able to blow out the flame on those burners (like you can with a Kojin burner)? Also, did you try a boil test with just one burner?
Id love to see the larger insert in action. Curious to see how compatible these are with stoves like the firebox stoves. Too bad you dont have more control on the opening of the stove for simmering.
These have been issued in uk millitary since 1960, as a solid fuel burner they work. This looks different with liquid fuel. Normaly used with wax pellets. Not fast but do work as pot stand for many fuels, also very cheap to buy.
Have you reviewed that sort of stove before? It's what I've got and will be testing, mine have ceramic wool, but others are carbon felt like those ones...it's a Kojin stove, well a copy. I have the Speedster which is another variant, you can get them from X-Boil, OGE, Des Cattys etc. Might try mine in a hexi stove like that!
My insert went up in flame. So now, i don't bother using it with the reducer. It works great with the original Esbit folding stove. It also works great the pathfinder cup stove. I use it upside down with trivet. The stove becomes a windscreen.
Donno, open container seems like a non-issue to me. If it isn’t drinkable, it isn’t an open container. However, if it occurs, it’s pure dumbassery and society should place a pox upon their house.
I've been subscribed to you for years, love your content. I have some feedback though, something that always slightly bugs me: the music is always somehow too loud, and the talking too quiet. A nice middle ground would go a long way I think! Thanks
What would be the best emergency/‘bugout’ stove and fuel to store in a hot car during the day in the summer sun? Would canisters explode? A bottle of denatured alcohol safe? Solid fuel safest? (esbit seems to take a fair bit of heat to make them burn), a bottle of alcohol gel? Etc
Nice stove nice burners , how would you extinguish the flame in order to conserve fuel after boiling water ??? Then what stops the rest of the fuel spilling out in your pack ?? Needs further research and development...
Guys, Just grab a metal lid off an old jar and stick any type of wicking in it. Does the same. Play around with different lids for different needs. Works perfectly for free.
👍👍👍 very nice. Well worth a consideration. I have something similar .. my Military Issue Esbit Stove from 1968 and an array of Burners made from 200ml Energy Drink Cans filled with Ceramic / Glass Wool and, for a more gentle burn, Whiskey Bottle Tops also packed with Ceramic / Glass Wool. My Esbit Stove gives me the option to use Solid Tablets, Alcohol Liquid and Gel Fuels. Why Alcohol over the Esbit Fuel Tablets? Cost and availability. Here in Switzerland, I can buy the Liquid 'Brennsprit' and Gel 'Sicherheitsbrennpaste' at my local grocery store and most others country-wide and in neighbouring countries, whilst the Esbit Tablets, more expensive, only at selected Outdoor Outlets. I'm currently playing around with 'simmer rings' for the Energy Drink Burners and when I get that right .. 👍👍👍. Thanks for sharing .. take care ..
@thomasmusso1147 Thank you so much for adding the info on Brennsprit & Sicherheitsbrennpaste! It confirms what I had been speculating about and now I feel I can safely try them out. Best wishes
“Why, why, why, why?" is a question my husband constantly asks when I get yet another stove for my collection, lol! I love stoves and after watching this video was reason enough for me to add to my collection! Anyway, he’s lucky I don’t collect diamond jewelry which I don’t care for so he’s getting off very cheaply is my reasoning!
A true stove babe 👍
Made my day! If hes not into stoves, get rid of him! Hahaha... Carter Canada
I bought a little stainless wood stove like 8x8x10, then I bought a trangia spirit burner, then I saw the tf artisan titanium, had to have that, then saw the Pathfinder large stainless with the wind guard, had to have that one too.😂 I think I have a collection started lol. It will be interesting to see how they each work due to design and metal types. ✌️
I made an alcohol burner from a mini Altoids tin just like these burners, with mesh and carbon felt. Fits perfectly inside the issue type esbit stove. Holds almost an ounce. Cheap as dirt. The raised tin lid can act as a windbreak on one side of the stove.
Great idea. Just wondering, how did you get a small amount of the carbon felt to make it cost effective? That is what is holding me back from making a similar setup. Thank you
I did something similar, I used a round Crossman tin with a screw on lid for pellets. Also made one from a Nivea skin creme tin.
@@BingWatcheryou can buy a piece of that carbon felt for $11 at Lowe's, it's in the plumbing department hanging on a rack with the solder and flux.
@@flynnstone3580 Thank you so much. That’s really helpful information ℹ
@@BingWatcherget $10 of carbon felt. Use a piece for a small tin. An another piece for a windscreen for that an any other stoves with the rest
Ive been using a near identical setup for over 15 yrs now. Larger mint tin in Esbit stand x2. Found a zippered pouch that neatly holds the two. Slim bottle of methanol in the empty space alongside the stove.
Made my stoves with hardware cloth over mesh over Perlite, bought a 3rd tin to cut the lid into variable sections i could use on the first two stoves to regulate flame and fuel use. Ive made a dozen different stoves using carbon felt and efficient designs, and they work well enough, but this scuffed old Altoids setup keeps doing it the best for me and not using too much fuel.
So i keep using them.
Got Snowed inside for 4 days with the visiting in-laws few years ago with power outage for 37 hours.
My father in law was impressed that i had 2 "burners" going in the kitchen and kept the crew in hot food and drinks until the power was restored.
These things are great.
Thanks for the video..✌️
Hey Ernie. Giving a Trangia stove to my auntie for Christmas along with your video for that. I combined it with a 64 oz Pathfinder billy can, an Eldris, UCO storm matches, BIC and a hank of 550. Love your videos.
I made an alcohol stove from a mini Altoids tin, carbon felt, and a piece of screen mesh. I've been using it in my Esbit stove with much success. I do like the covers on your stoves that seem to be able to adjust the intensity of the flame.
Another neat toy to play with …Have fun stay safe.
Fiber glass insulation also works (instead of carbon fiber) if you make your own from Altoids tins.
I’m a bit of an alcohol stove junkie. Made several, bought more. Firebox junkie as well. Love your channel!
I make similar burners from Camel SNUS cans (I got them from my son, so they were free to me). I originally cut small strips of corrugated cardboard (also free) and wound them up tightly inside of the can, then I switched to 2 layers of carbon felt ($14.00 per sheet, but one sheet makes 4 burners). The lid to the SNUS cans have a rubber gasket so extra fuel (91% rubbing alcohol) left over in the burner will not leak out. I use 5 hour energy bottles for fuel storage (free after I consume the contents). I bought some $8.00 folding Esbit stoves from Amazon, and it boils two cups of water in like 8 minutes. I estimate each stove costs me around $11.00 not counting my labor.
Excellent find!!! This one knocks it out of the park for size and weight considerations as well as pure versatility between using the alcohol versus the 27gr solid fuel tabs. It's an instant buy 😃 😊
What does it weigh?
few years ago made a large altoid tin alcohol stove. have to dig it out & try it in my tommy cooker. next i'll have to find a couple of mini altoid tins too modify. thanks for the video & info.
I have some fiberglass wick in the garage will try this!
Hi.i use a old British army stove like yours but use a spent 8 hour candle base filled with meths spirit.A boil is always ready within a 5 or 6 minutes weather permitting. A wind shield is a big help. 👍👍thanks for your video and time. Keep on cooking.👍🍳
I can't believe this video has just popped up on my youtube
I have just had 2 of the smaller versions of those alcohol burners delivered. They fit into the smaller version of the stove, widely available on the likes of Amazon, AliExpress, etc.
Test burn this evening, (using only 1 of the burners) 400ml of water boiled in about 5 mins (enough for 1 persons brew or a dehydrated meal) and burnt for about 7 minutes. Not bad for 20ml of fuel.
Like you I am very very impressed with the performance, weight, price, etc.
Many thanks for sharing.
I just purchased this on Amazon and moments later typed in "alcohol stove" on TH-cam to see if anyone had a review of it (yeah, I did that process in reverse). Your video came up first. I'm impressed by your results. I love that this stove has the versatility of being alcohol or solid fuel. I also like that it sorta has a minimal wind screen by default. Can't wait to try this out!
You just know I'll be playing with my Esbit stove by the end of the day. 😀
I love these, great design. I love Esbit stoves and keep them with the fuel for emergencies, but this will increase the use of these stoves. I have used alcohol stoves with my firebox stoves during power outages, and with these I can use my Esbit stoves for the same thing. thanks, Ernie!
went shopping for a sharpie today. at office depot i found the correct style of mint tin used in this video. up near the checkout area, bought 2.
Yep work just as you described it. I bought mine years ago well a year ago. I thought it would make a great addition to SHTF scenarios just to keep the low profile flame from attracting attention to potential bad buggers. Second keep in an emergency power outage and need that cup of coffee in the morning or to boil water to feed the children something hot. If they are not small children they can use to help feed each other in that type of situation, once shown properly how to use it. Still the man to go to for info.
SEMPER FI
I was looking at an alto it’s tin as I was watching this and said hmm I bet that would work as a large tin for alcohol just need the felt.
One could even take out the inserts for the liquid alcohol and then fill the alcohol tins with Swissmar Fire Gel (blue) as an ad hoc fondue to be able to use a third fuel type. Many consider the Fire Gel to be safer to use in the field so it would be an improvement to the kit.
Is that similar to firedraggon gel?
i used to make mesh burners for mamod steam engines out of the bases of wood dye cans, i got bored really fast changing fuel gel blocks and made a dye can insert for an army solid fuel stove that fits in with the stove folded. it works fantastically with a longer burn time.
Awesome! Now on my list of must-have items. Great find!
Love the video, looks like I'm buying my 9th stove.
It looks like the only downside side is that there is no way to store the fuel in the inserts.
Thanks again.
I have the version with the larger singular alcohol system. It works just like you said.
Works for me. I like the packable size. Thanks
I'm impressed! With 2 of these and 2 skillets I could get creative.
This will be the 5th stove I've bought on your recommendation. You haven't steered me wrong yet. Keep up the good work! Great find by the way.
For less than 20 and it actually works; nice find.
This looks good to use for main and backup stove system
Nice.
I have often wondered whether a larger burner would help an alcohol stove.
Now I know.
Thanks!
Wow, cool I’m definitely getting one. I like stoves😊
Thanks Ernie for sharing the video.
Really like the looks of this stove
I've been looking high and low for a rectangular tin so that I could do something similar with my Firedragon without modifying the tray. The small puck stove I have works great resting on the edges of the "reservoir" for the gel fuel, but it isn't the most stable thing, and I wanted something similar that I could nest in it without too much fuss, but also no worry of tipping it. If the long dimension of these is just right, I may be able to use one with minimum modifications to the gel reservoir and have it be stable.
It's nice that they ship it with two burners and a fuel bottle, seems like a great value for the money.
Never cared for the solid fuel stoves, but now i think i'll give it a try.
Great video , 😊
Nice system. Versatile. Solid fuel, alcohol, sticks.
Lightweight, inexpensive, simple.
What's not to like?
Sign me up!
That's a neat little setup, I might order one of those! I like that you can carry solid fuel for backup.
Ernie, thanks for the review. I bought this to go inside my esbit 1100. Might make it more versatile for actual cooking, with the longer burn time and adjustability. In the stove base for the 1100 you can get some nice even rolling blue fame with an altoids tin and gel fuel, so im hoping this will provide the same.
Nice. Doc, you keep coming up with new stoves that surprise us (me). Glad you stayed with it. Good luck on reaching your goal of 100k subs. I think you deserve it and more. Just wish TH-cam would leave things alone and let creators have the subs and views that are really here. Us viewers appreciate you.
The solid fuel Esbit was my first foray into personal stoves, when I was in the Army. I primarily used it for brewing up coffee and tea and cooking up "modified" MRE gourmet meals - back when the MRE selections were much less, and much less appetizing. You had to do something to transform many of them just to make them edible.
Having an alternative heat source, like alcohol, really steps up the little fuel tab stove concept.
You probably used Hexamine tabs!
@@cardiacbob Probably not, since the box said Esbit on it. I still have about a dozen boxes. Fired some up a couple months ago to make some coffee, just to see if they were still any good after just over 30 years. They worked just as well as they did back then. Still had a pack of MRE matches tucked into the box with the tabs, and the matches worked, too.
I like this kit alot and appreciate the video. I would, however, like to see the same tests performed with a single burner. I think it would be interesting to see. Thank you.
Good suggestion!
@@BingWatcher I have this kit... The science for burning hydrocarbons is pretty basic - Using only one of the burners will double the boil time.
@@Funkteon I have read about thermodynamics involving a feedback loop in that one burner can influence the output of the other burner in the system. No sure if it is applicable
Thanks Ernie
Impressive
Thanks I’ll probably have to get that
for under 20 bucks on amazon, i just ordered it. if anything the bigger foldable stove is just a bigger one for my collection and more storage for bigger or more fuel tabs.
That’s cool! Better than most!
With both of them running, the thermal runaway that occurs with these things will give you a boil time of just over 2 minutes for half a litre of water...lol
I used a dremel tool to cut out a hole in my dry fuel stove to fit a small trangia spirit burner but I like this better. Just found one on ebay for £5.99 but the burner is one big unit insted of the two small ones......yep I just bought that. Cuppa tea anybody ?
Very cool 😎
Thanks for sharing and God bless.
Ok, I like the looks of this stove, I'm gonna save the jungle link to buy next month.
Just tried Zippo Lighter fluid in my alcohol stove..
Bloomed almost instantly..
But the flame was about two feet high lol..
That was Coleman, Crown fuel “white gas”!
I love the flame control aspect.
I cook when I am camping--and the stoves that can't simmer are of no use to me. I enjoy cooking and would never eat freeze dried food.
Curious to see what the boil time for one with the lid off is. I'm pretty locked into my current setup for when I'm on the trail, but I'm always open to new stoves/stuff when camping with the scouts or just car camping. I've never been a solid fuel stove guy, but this concept is interesting.
great discovery, would be interesting to test how it can work with different types of fuel
I have used tea lights in esbit stoves when I could not get fuel tabs, just another option.
Aw man its sold out! looks awesome!
talking about flexibility, IMHO the best stove is a hobo with some small holes in the side to put in a couple of skewers for an alcohol stove of your liking, or a pan with solid fuel tablets, even a small gas canister stove - and wood of course. Taken apart, my pack is just half as high as the big Esbit, including a grate and the skewers and a pot support - coming in at 150g/5oz (without fuel)
Cool video. I work as a physicist and have been playing with designs for burning liquid and gel 70% + alcohol post covid surplus.
So far nothing has beat a unit made from an aluminum water bottle. But...... My interest has shifted to used vegetable oil room or tent heaters because of the no CO output and the availability of used oil for nothing. The goal is to create a unit that can maintain a 10x10ft room at 60f with an outside temp of 20f. Controlling the soot output of a large wick is the only issue now. Carter.... Canada
Good review and option, thanks for sharing, God bless !
Just subbed, I'd love for you to test the Trail Designs Ti Tri. It's crazy to me there are so few videos on it, such a good alcohol stove! It can boil 2 cups in 7 minutes while only using 14g of fuel!
Thank you!
I bought one of those alcohol stoves made by Menolana, I haven’t tried it yet, but just be careful when you’re opening, and closing the stove, because just about every corner of what I call the teeth ,are sharp
Took me about 15 minutes to file down all the corners
Super interesting find Ernie, I'm going to have to order one of these play with it some. My Trangia is still my go to but this just seems interesting as all get out
Ernie i too have one of these alcohol stoves with a medium sized esbit stove that holds a single burner perfect that being said i had a hard time blowing out a single burner without the simmer slide on piece / so a single one of these alcohol stoves for me was tad bit hard to blow out / but it is very compact and i can choose witch fuel i like being Alcohol or solid fuel tabs ............ Happy Trails
Hard to believe that you do not have 100K+.
Cool thanks mate
very cool ...thanks.
Ordered mine Ernie
Looks great😊
I was looking at those little burners 2-3 weeks ago and wondered if the burn time would make it worth it or not. Rather surprised by your results given their size.
I purchased this stove and have been expermenting with using just a single burner. My interest is fuel efficiency rather than speed.
Using just a single burner in the smaller Esbit folding stove (97mm X 73mm), a Toaks titanium 550 ml pot,15 ml of yellow Heet and 16 ounces of water, I ran three tests for burn time and degrees-Fahrenheit raised. All testing was done in my kitchen under ideal conditions without wind.
The first two tests were duplicates. In each case, my tap water was 78°F at the beginning.
Test 1 -- The burn ran 17 minutes. I let the fuel completely burn out. The final temperature was 198°F -- an increase of 120°f -- and plenty hot enough for coffee. I believe I could rehydrate a dehydrated or freeze-dried meal with this and a little patience. I then made a piping hot cup of green tea.
Test 2 -- Thinking perhaps the low flame in the final 1-2 minutes was insufficient to preserve the highest temperature reached, I ended the test when the flame ceased making contact with the bottom of the pot. The pot was in contact with the flame 15 minutes 21 seconds. The final temperature was 192°F -- an increase of 114°F -- suggesting there may be additional heat to be gained from that last minute or so of dying flame. I turned this test result into a piping hot cup of chamomile tea.
Test 3 -- Using water I had left in the refrigerator overnight, I began this test with 16 ounces of water at 42°F. I wanted to know how the burner would perform at a more realistic water temperature found in the field. I was expecting to end up with a significantly smaller gain in temperature, but the opposite occurred. I have no explanation. The burn lasted 16 minutes 40 seconds and the final temperature was 182°F -- an increase of 142°F -- more than sufficient to rehydrate the package of ramen I had for my lunch, following a 10-minute soak.
Hey Ernie, pretty cool looking stove kit. Thanks for showing it off. Are you able to blow out the flame on those burners (like you can with a Kojin burner)? Also, did you try a boil test with just one burner?
Looks good
The burners also fit in a original large Esbit stove.
Time for a burn and boil test for the Swissmar Fire Gel!!!
Id love to see the larger insert in action. Curious to see how compatible these are with stoves like the firebox stoves. Too bad you dont have more control on the opening of the stove for simmering.
These have been issued in uk millitary since 1960, as a solid fuel burner they work.
This looks different with liquid fuel.
Normaly used with wax pellets. Not fast but do work as pot stand for many fuels, also very cheap to buy.
I still have one of those, with a box of hexamine tablets folded up in it. Used it a couple of years ago when I couldn't find my little petrol burner.
Very cool 😎
Hey. You really should check out the X-Boil made in Germany
Have you reviewed that sort of stove before? It's what I've got and will be testing, mine have ceramic wool, but others are carbon felt like those ones...it's a Kojin stove, well a copy. I have the Speedster which is another variant, you can get them from X-Boil, OGE, Des Cattys etc. Might try mine in a hexi stove like that!
Interested. Great find. But cannot find on aliexpress.
My insert went up in flame. So now, i don't bother using it with the reducer. It works great with the original Esbit folding stove. It also works great the pathfinder cup stove. I use it upside down with trivet. The stove becomes a windscreen.
Wow! That sounds frustrating. So the filling is not carbon felt, but rather something like a combustible fabric?
Favorite army surplus in Fort Worth, Texas? You are 100% talking about Omaha’s. Fort Worth native here.
My best all around boil time for 2 cups of water on my Trangia is 8 minutes.
Esbit game changer.
Great find! Could you please try it with just one insert?
Nifty! Just make sure the alcohol is container is in the trunk. Some states have open container laws and one pedantic cop will ruin your trip.
Just keep the fuel in the original yellow HEET antifreeze bottle... no problem. 😊
Donno, open container seems like a non-issue to me. If it isn’t drinkable, it isn’t an open container.
However, if it occurs, it’s pure dumbassery and society should place a pox upon their house.
oh I like this!
Interesting, I wonder if you could make a stand/pot support for one of them . That way it could be UL.
Especially if it fits inside the tin.
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Nice!😎🤙
Love this thing Ernie. Will these inserts fit inside of the closed Fire Maple Lotus from 4 months back?
Hey Ernie thanks for the demo. Do you think you could cook breakfast on this stove? Eggs and bacon.
Interesting
What would be the best emergency/‘bugout’ stove and fuel to store in a hot car during the day in the summer sun?
Would canisters explode? A bottle of denatured alcohol safe? Solid fuel safest? (esbit seems to take a fair bit of heat to make them burn), a bottle of alcohol gel? Etc
I wonder if the burner would work in a scout stove ( would have to work out the space from flame to bottom of pan ) ?!
And it would be simple to make some of them for yourself
Nice stove nice burners , how would you extinguish the flame in order to conserve fuel after boiling water ???
Then what stops the rest of the fuel spilling out in your pack ??
Needs further research and development...
Guys,
Just grab a metal lid off an old jar and stick any type of wicking in it. Does the same. Play around with different lids for different needs. Works perfectly for free.
Looks like Zelph's starlyte stove but rectangle instead of round.
Does one of the burners fit in an Esbit folding stove? Thanks for your video!
How much alcohol will each of these little stoves hold? Great video, thanks for sharing. :) :)
👍👍👍 very nice. Well worth a consideration.
I have something similar .. my Military Issue Esbit Stove from 1968 and an array of Burners made from 200ml Energy Drink Cans filled with Ceramic / Glass Wool and, for a more gentle burn, Whiskey Bottle Tops also packed with Ceramic / Glass Wool. My Esbit Stove gives me the option to use Solid Tablets, Alcohol Liquid and Gel Fuels.
Why Alcohol over the Esbit Fuel Tablets? Cost and availability. Here in Switzerland, I can buy the Liquid 'Brennsprit' and Gel 'Sicherheitsbrennpaste' at my local grocery store and most others country-wide and in neighbouring countries, whilst the Esbit Tablets, more expensive, only at selected Outdoor Outlets.
I'm currently playing around with 'simmer rings' for the Energy Drink Burners and when I get that right .. 👍👍👍.
Thanks for sharing .. take care ..
@thomasmusso1147 Thank you so much for adding the info on Brennsprit & Sicherheitsbrennpaste! It confirms what I had been speculating about and now I feel I can safely try them out. Best wishes