MLB has a muddy balls problem, a breakdown
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That layover was so sick. Makes you realize batters usually have no idea what's coming their way
Wild that DMo actually took on that pitch lmao
Might have recognized the spin
@@ApexATL definitely just goes to show how insane the mind games are between pitcher and batter at the mlb level
"Pools are also good for holding water"
Those pitches are nasty.
For those that havent played baseball, or maybe werent a pitcher:
"Pearls" are what we call fresh, new baseballs. There's almost a thin layer of wax or something similar on brand new baseballs that give them a really slick feel and make them almost impossible to grip naturally. Thats how Tepera can tell instantly that the balls weren't rubbed down. It's actually a really big deal, and I've likened it to trying to throw a cue ball (pool/billiards) when the balls aren't prepped before being brought into the game. It's also not really something Tepera can fix while already on the mound, by the time it gets to the pitcher its too late.
To me it's dried out, almost certainly why the humidor is recommended. The slick feeling as I understand it comes from the surface of the baseball drying out the fingertips at the point of contact which means you lose that feeling of grip.
I would love to know why any of this is an issue in the first place. Just get rawlings to make a ball that is good for for professional baseball pitchers. I'm sure that could be done in a way that doesn't change the physics of the ball in a way that's statistically significant. Not like they care about that anyways.
@@justinskywalker It is one of those things that if it was easy and inexpensive to fix, they would have done it already.
Can't pitchers request a new ball?
@@KaitouKaiju That's the point of the entire video, lol. The pitcher requested new balls but each were fresh. The ump let him know those were all he had.
That last minute decision to do the pitch comparison on the fly could've been the whole video, great stuff.
It's so odd that baseball relies so heavily not just on getting mud on the balls, but getting **specific** mud from a **secret spot** somewhere in New Jersey to keep the league standardized. What a sport.
Truly baseball is the ultimate backyard game.
That behind the scenes part was pretty cool
That's adobe premiere lol
@@goofball1_134 still cool though.
@@goofball1_134 still cool though.
@@goofball1_134 still cool though
You could see right from the beginning those balls weren’t rubbed up. They were way too white. They honestly look like they had just been taken out of the box. The balls usually look a litte dirty cause of the mud but those looked like brand new, untouched baseballs
I am not a huge baseball guy, so I don’t know the intricacies of baseball preparation, but those balls were so damn white it literally caught my eye in the first few moments of the video.
Maybe they ran out of mud balls by the 8th inning?
@@davruck1 Than shouldn't they take a minute to throw them in the dirt and roll the around a bit? Obviously that isn't ideal, but it would be better than using brand new balls.
@@3xceIIent yeah. they should have permanent reserve balls that get mudded but dont get used unless its an emergency. keep like 3 dozen in the possesion of the umpire crew instead of making teams resonsible for extras. the reserve stash should only be refreshed and used whan necessary
@@davruck1 could have grabbed the wrong box too.
A number of years ago Mike Rowe did a segment on
“Dirty Jobs” about the people who collected all the “special mud” to mud up all the MLB balls with, along with the process of going it. Apparently the mud is very special and the location is kept a secret. Maybe MLB no longer used this mud and process
Its New Jersey side of the Delaware river. Surprisingly enough there is an argument that it is illegal because it contains a quartz like mineral and the guy that sells it collects it on public land in which he does not own the mineral rights.
I thought it was the Rancocas creek
really appreciate you getting to the nitty gritty problems with the mlb. more exposure means a better game in the long term. thanks jomboy
I remember reading Ron Luciano’s books when I was a kid and I think he said back then the umpires were responsible for rubbing up the balls and it was roughly 60 per game. Not surprised it’s double that today.
That 0-1 slider was nasty great job holding up by Moore. Very interesting breakdown on those two pitches.
Catchers hate pearls too. When we grab the ball to throw down on a steal, it sucks to get to the transition and WOOP! slippage happens.
How you did that overlay so fast was really cool. I hope ESPN gives you a job editting or writing
i always love when you segue into an ad with a relevant point or joke
Thanks for showing the background editing stuff. Pretty cool. But I recommend doing one with a blue tint and the second with a red tint. This way even time can be accounted for in the edit. But I dunno. Depends on what the people want and what looks cooler I guess
Mom can we watch pitching ninja?
No we have pitching ninja at home
Pitching ninja at home:
Loved that behind the scenes look. Not that it wasn't obvious before, but it just shows how much you love what you do!
Overlay in the pitching ninja way is pretty cool. The whole rubbing of the ball thing is so dumb anyway but they do look like pearls
For many decades, the Umpires did the mudding themselves. At some point, they started slipping $ to Clubhouse lackeys to do it for them. AND, Humidors have been required in Colorado since forever because of the altitude. Oh, how I miss the old days.
I was a clubhouse attendant. Rubbed many balls in the umpires room. never have they ever remotely been mistaken for a pearl. some pitchers even requested extra dark rubbed balls. I refuse to say who but it’s true. 30 seconds per ball? That’s hilarious. You throw in a lip. you take a dozen box of pearls open the lid remove all the tissue paper you put 4 quick dashes on 4 sides of the ball with mud then quickly give it a full cycle. Takes no more than 4 seconds to rub a baseball. It would take 3 or 4 guys 15 minutes or so to rub a case and change for one game
As an editor, the Premiere Pro behind-the-scenes was a joy to watch.
I knew the ad integration would be perfect on this one.
Great idea showing the layovers
Some pros were say that some guys use their wedding ring to scratch the balls to get a better grip.
If MLB had any sense..... big caveat right there.....
- They contract out and have a device designed that will automatically "rub" and "rough up" the baseballs.
- NO MUD USED!
- Get input from lots of pitchers as to exactly what they want, then design the machine to get as close to the center of what the pitchers want.
- When they get that, lock in the design specs. Have machines built that can easily repeat the process and get the balls to the same feel.
- Put two roughing machines in every major and minor league park.
- Before the game, the umpires load the machines and run the balls. Shouldn't take more than 30 minutes to process 100 baseballs.
- Umpires then have control of all the baseballs to be used in that game.
* the human element is taken out.
* not reliant on single sourced specific type and level of mud.
* every baseball used in every park is the same.
All the "mud" comes from the same location, near Palmyra, New Jersey along the batters of the Delaware River.
Jomboy is the maestro of baseball highlights
I almost got a video editing tutorial out of this but your way to good and in couldn’t keep up.
Cook side by side though. Thanks
How these guys can hit in the majors is amazing to me. 2:00 is just crazy.
Came for the breakdown, stayed for the premier pro tutorial.
I thought that mud came from one family business that comes from a secret place. At least I know it is to be like that.
Ryan Tepera the Houston Hometown Hero
Roman sponsoring this video is great but how much better would it have been if it was manscaped 😂😂
Dude makes baseball and even cricket exciting. Good on ya bro
A long time ago I thought the umpires were responsible for rubbing up the baseballs for each game. But I could be remembering that wrong.
They should have a league that's like... Do whatever... Steroid monsters smashing balls into paste. Use whatever sticky stuff you wanna pitch with. Just complete chaos and balls whirling all over the place
And people wonder why batters sometimes miss stuff middle middle. It's a straight up guessing game. Unless you're Ted Williams
0:39 “my dog can eat it idc” mmmmm the misses ain’t gonna like that one chief
After the season, MLB should take the season and a half worth of data since outlawing the sticky stuff and implementing this awful process and really look at the numbers. Check offensive stats, hit by pitch, pitcher injuries...see if the sticky stuff really made a difference. If it didn't, just go back to the way things were.
Jomboy you need to do a breakdown of the Ireland vs New Zealand cricket game.
You can prevent it from happening by wiping up instead of down
Reasons why " keep your eye on the ball" isn't exactly a gaurunteed science
Forgive me if this is a stupid question. I am new to baseball. Can't baseball manufacturers just make baseballs using a different material? Something that provides more grip to the ball without giving pitchers an unfair advantage?
now wait a minute, I thought players weren't allowed to tamper with the ball at all since the early 20th century.
"My dog can eat it, I don't care."
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🥰
Alternate video title: Jomboy teaches video editing
This really felt like a missed opportunity for a manscaped sponsorship
Thanks
Lookout pitching ninja! Jomboy might be coming for your job. 🤣🤣
It’s time for an NPB type ball.
At first I thought “what a baby. just use the fucking ball” but then I realized that the pitcher’s livelihood depends on the grip they have on the ball in those situations
Hey just got a new gig working for the Yankees, it’s my dream job!!!
That’s awesome!!! what’s the job?
I rub balls
thanks for the premiere pro tutorial
thanks for the premiere tutorial
As someone who is raising a 15 month year old, Tepera's actions aren't unfamiliar to me
mud gotta come from the 1972 Kentucky derby **
That math would only be accurate if they muddy a single ball at a time. Teams almost certainly have multiple people doing this, and each person is probably working on more than 1 ball at a time. There's no reason the person doing the work has to perform the full 30+ second process before starting the next ball...
Great breakdown!
doesn't say you have to have only one person doing the muddying. You could have 10 people rubbing the balls.
mlb making the easiest thing as convoluted as possible. SHOCKING
2:05 that is amazinddddddddddddddddddddddddddd. greattttttttttttt video. thanks
best sponsor segue ever
Anything that lowers the amount of HRs is fine with me.
Chief from South Park had to have written these guidelines?
Missed opportunity for the manscaped sponsor
Hold up, rubber wedding rings? Dafuq?
Jomboy, the home plate umpire rubs the balls with mud before the game. It's part of the reason no umpire wants the home plate assignment for the game.
lmao how is that intro not for a manscaped sponsored video
Interesting, in opposite to Tennis that has new balls every 6th game or so
Inside baseball about the inside baseball. Nice.
MLB pitchers have become such princesses. Just throw the god damn ball.
Anyone else try to buy an actual pro-style baseball in recent years? It's nearly impossible. Would be nice if there was a company out there that would sell a real baseball, even used ones from pro games. Just wanna play catch with my bros without using teeballs and memorabilia balls in cheap plastic cases. So strange.
So why don’t these teams reuse balls from previous games?
110 balls per game. 162 games, 30 teams. That’s over 500,000 balls per year.
It would be half that number since each game is played between 2 teams…
it wouldve been better if this was sponsored by manscaped
No ManScaped sponsor? smh my head
Stop this. All of it. Automate the muddying process, do it well before game day, seal the balls.
More live editing please
Doesn't Japan have a nice, sticky baseball (not too sticky) that players liked? Seems archaic to rub fucking mud on a baseball in 2022.
Couldn't they just... add some texture to the balls so they don't have to go through a dumb random process which never gets the exact results instead? I don't know, seems like a waste of time.
Rubbing the balls for the prescribed 30 seconds could result in wildly different results depending on the technique and enthusiasm of the person rubbing the balls.
yeah gotta rub the ball with enthusiasm
The South Park pfp with this comment really makes it lol
@@bigasstrout facts
I do love the complete lack of context contained in that sentence.
That’s what she said
The behind-the-scenes breakdown is the perfect example of why I gave up playing baseball after 8th grade. Once pitchers started learning how to throw breaking balls, it was game over for me.
I loved it. Curveballs are the easiest thing to hit and hit deep.
You need the power of voodoo. Although it didn't help Pedro Cerrano.
I can agree, except I would sit back waiting for the curve instead of waiting for the fast ball due to shitty bat speed. I would have much rather chilled at first base with my shot arm than hitting any day.
That quick improvisation at the 2min mark to show us viewers the similarities in the pitcher's pitches was next level big jimmay! Great behind the scenes work 💪
Yes!!!
Awesome breakdown. Also, the batter basically has 0.4 seconds to decide if he’s gonna swing. Amazing athletes
@@johnbeckerle6260 what are you talking about? Confused. Surely, you’re not talking about original poster complimenting his breakdown of pitches?
So putting up an overlay, which is a very common thing, is "next level" for you? And you called him "jimmay"? You sound like you're in your 50s and just figured out there's more to the internet than just facebook so now you're trying to sound cool like you're young again.
Big Jimmay! I know whose balls you're rubbing down right now.
I was a MLB batboy for three years in the 80s and one of my responsibilities was to prep the game balls. It was a lot less structured back then but you did hear from pitchers about what they liked/didn't. I did a dozen dozen at the beginning of every homestand and between 3-6 more per game depending on how many got burned in the previous game. We used the same ball bag and didn't toss any out until the end of the homestand at which point they went to the BP and cage bags. We used a specific kind of mud but I can't tell you where it was sourced. The bottom of the bag was the same balls at the end of the homestand that went in at the start if it. Only once did I ever come close to running out of prepped balls. I was down to about a half dozen in the bag and 5-6 in the umps pouch in the bottom of the 9th. I have never before and never since rooted for my team to make three quick outs. But I did that inning. At the end of the game, the balls are stored in the umpires locker room. When I brought the bag in immediately after the game, the HP ump tossed his pouch balls in the bag and saw how close we came to to running out. He snapped a look at me and was ready to tear me a new one but stopped. (I was 15). I think he could tell by the expression on my face I knew and didn't need to be told anything. It never happened again.
Cool story thanks for sharing! A dozen dozen (144) is called a gross and a grocery store is called that because you used to be able to buy eggs by the gross
Sounds like a job for someone they should entrust to other than someone who's only 15 years old and getting paid in peanuts.
I always thought the maintenance of balls and other equipment should have been....well...the equipment manager's job.
I always thought the bat boy was just some random ass kid from a group of kids they would occasionally rotate all season as an honorary position just to collect the bats thrown on the ground by the players.
MLB and their players, umpires, and coaching staff making far too much money to be employing underage wage slaves for something that approximates actual real impactful work.
Kinda wild they were letting teams do it however they wanted until recently.
@@Nihilianth it's much more like that today. This was in the early 80s.
@@calemorgan8763 ehh not quite, "grocery" comes to english from french grossier (wholesaler), which comes from latin grossus. Grossus is also the origin of gross meaning 144, but they developed in parallel rather than one from the other
i love how he turned into pitching ninja for a minute 😂
Jomboy has been overlaying pitches for years
@@jeremydyar7566 relax lol noones talking bad about jomboy 😆 u people r so sensitive n defensive its pathetic
@@louiet2679 how is that sensitive?
@@AceofYankees 🤫 ur too slow to understand anything so dont worry about it
@@AceofYankees Could it be the instant jump to 'defend' when no insult or criticism was leveled in the OP? Think that might have something to do with it?
Jomboy too generous with these 'Behind-The-Scene' layovers. Such a thing of beauty.
Seems kind of odd that nobody has developed an automated way of applying mud to a baseball. Some machine that could be in each clubhouse that would apply the standard mud texture to each ball.
Sounds like the same argument for balls and strikes
Cause the machine would end up being Chinese. They’re trying to take America out of America.
Angel Hernandez rubbed gloriously with the secret mud. You’re welcome.
True but also, since the baseballs are manufactured, wouldn't it make more sense to use a ball that comes out of the factory ready to go? So many things about baseball are extremely dated. I hope someone starts a pro Wiffleball or pro Blitzball league. Really, if they had plastic when baseball was invented then they probably would have invented something a lot more like Wiffleball.
You’d think the pro baseball manufacturer would create that texture themselves. Otherwise, their product is useless.
This would be a perfect video for a manscaped sponsor
i instantly thought the intro was a buildup for a manscaped ad lmfao
Is this jomboys first miss? 🧐
I was thinking this to lol
Muddy balls🥴
@hope L
Jomboy, I used to be a batboy for the Vermont Lake Monsters when they were the Oakland A's short season affiliate. The umpires were tasked with rubbing 6 dozen baseballs per game which usually lasted about 6 innings, and the clubhouse rubbed another 5 dozen per game, which usually had to go through a through review process by that day's starting pitcher. We stored game day balls in a boiler room in a ball bag which helped keep them fresh. Happy to discuss further!
Hope more people speak up if they have more anedotes about ball rubbing. Thanks for sharing! I played baseball in youth had no idea this was a thing at all.
Completely unrelated to baseball, but I've been thinking of moving up to Burlington if my work allows it. How did you like the area?
@@ZerodepthFTR i ball rub all the time
@@ZerodepthFTR Yeah I got some ball rubbing stories for you.
I'm assuming at those SS games, fans got to keep the balls? I've attended my fair share of AZL Rookie League games and they usually have uniformed players from the home team (who have the day off) go and collect all foul balls hit out of play.
"unwritten rules are stupid"
Sees this video:
"written rules are also stupid"
From experience, the MLB has their own people inspect every single game ball hours before the game and there is a strict chain of custody from the second the balls are inspected to the umps receiving them. Any balls with too much or too little mud is rejected. It is a standardized process across the league and the amount of mud on each batch of balls is recorded with pictures of a random sample and sent to NY each game. The fact that these balls are so white is a mistake on the part of MLB personnel not the teams.
Bingo! The umpires could also pull these balls from service and send them to New York for analysis. Teams get fined over this shit.
@@sethcunningham2138 Indeed. The MLB has a more than a few procedural rules that are...interesting. As far as the balls go, the most common infraction by the team in my experience was the clubhouse managers not having the balls ready to be inspected at exactly 3 hours prior to first pitch.
Or Tepera is being a toddler because he had a bad start and the balls were fine. One is an issue with one person, the other is a massive systematic failure of like dozens of people. Occam's razor.
@@HeelBJC The balls are clearly not rubbed
@@HeelBJC Dozens of people? Gimme a break. One bored dude glanced over 10 dozen balls for the 90th straight day. And don't forget that the balls are rubbed up so the pitcher can grip them. If you want to know if they are properly conditioned, ask a pitcher.
Speaking of the wedding ring he was wearing, apparently that is not allowed. Graham Ashcraft was pitching with a wedding band on his GLOVE HAND, and the umpire made him remove it. MLB needs to be more consistent with this stuff.
In Jim Bouton's book Ball Four, he talks about how the Yankee's catcher Elston Howard would sharpen the inside of his shin guard, and whack the ball against it before throwing it back to the pitcher. This would cause a nice cut on the ball, and it would do crazy things. This was 60 years ago.
but if the ring is in his gloved hand how does it have any effect on the way the game is played by anyone including the pitcher? is it more of a safety thing that they have a “no rings” rule in place?
Maybe it has something to do with pitchers rubbing the ball. They always take off the glove and I could see an argument being made a wedding ring could possibly make extra scratches in a ball for a pitcher to grip.
I spent an afternoon at the batting cages and had my wedding ring on the whole time, and got a gnarly blood blister on my finger from it.
You can wear thirty chains but no rings? Makes sense lol
“That was worthwhile” yes it was jimmy
I didn't know this was going on. MLB having a lot of weird problems
Not really that weird considering it's MLB. MLB could fuck up a wet dream.
Id love to see that stacking thing with knuckleballs or maddux
The issue with Tepera being a drama queen is situations like this, where he's probably right, but you just end up writing it off as drama queen stuff.
He’s a clown. Salty cuz he got his shit smashed into the corner.
the astros still making him eat his words. Walked off on him twice this year already!! Big mouth
@@tpsin713 *s can’t win the big one the right way haha lost a few WS already when they’re not using technology.
@@miguelsanchez2662 no one has gone back to back in the new era weirdo. Beat ur dodgers at ur place 3 games atleast 17 other teams doing same shit. cry moar
Tapera dont give a fuck man. he'll run his mouth. Always has but it's usually justified. we were high school teammates and it hurt a little bit when my Stros made him eat his words but kinda not really🤣 He just hates losing trust me. sorry Ryan hope u dont read this!
Jomboy with the Adobe Premiere tips along with a breakdown, what a pro.
love the on the fly editing
I used to work for a AA professional team, I was
responsible for “muddying” all the game balls before hand. I believe it was special mud from the Nile River. Seriously. Kinda cool
Edit: yes, I’d have pitchers come to me and tell me what balls to put in the game bag ball sack. (Yes I said ball sack)
Some would have deeper laces for more break etc.
It’s from South NJ
@@nxstng7325is what they want u to think
Doing the layover of the pitches live was phenomenal. More of that.
Less of that please
Check out Pitching Ninja if you like pitch overlays. He does a quick breakdown on almost all starters and relievers every day.
Watch more baseball tonight. 🤷🏻♂
"It ain't new"
Maybe on JomBoy?
He does it fairly often pretty sure.
You can easily cut that process down to 20 to 30 minutes by using two or three people. But there's nothing wrong with having one guy spend an hour rubbing up baseballs
Does anyone remember that episode of Dirty Jobs where Mike visited the guy who collects and supplies all the mud for MLB balls?
The mud comes from a 'secret location' on Rancocas Creek in southern New Jersey, not far from where I went to high school...
@@AndrewAMartin spoiler alert. it's just well branded mud
@@AndrewAMartin its on public land, thats why its a secret... its kind of hilarious that a couple dudes stealing mud from the local creekbed have become so ingrained the sport of baseball
Such a great show
@@jonokiller imagine convincing the MLB you have superior mud and that they need to pay you for your special mud and only your special mud should be allowed.... respect the hustle
Jake “Muddy Balls” Storiale