I'd rather have a disclaimer then the localization team having to awkwardly rewrite the script around the scene. Most of the time it doesn't make sense and is very self-evident that the context was changed in translation to not offend certain people.
@@SuiteLifeofDioBrando Are you sure? I'm almost certain games actually put some disclaimer like this in the game: "Viewer discretion advised", "This content might offend some viewers", and/or "Names, characters, places and incidents are fictional".
Yup, and P5 takes it a bit further, if you don't agree to acknowledge that the names, characters, places and incidents are all fictional, you get sent back to the title screen. There's no excuse for people to offended by 2 minor characters or to change them.
Because they apparently doxxed the company {ATLUS, I believe} & threatened to release private information about employees. I just saw a few comments about this.
@@CoolMintMC yeah in a way I feel bad for them if that's the only thing that caused them to make the change. I'd still play this but not at full price cause it seems like this is p5 vanilla with just 2 new characters and an after story after fight yaldabaouth. Give me a 20$ discount and we'll talk.
SPOILERS (vanilla P5): until you find out it is framed as false Igor coercing you to aggree to his rules and this very same notification is used for games to avoid being officially related to something they really are (but understandably so due to the need of avoid legal actions). I mean the devs literally said this game was conceived to be a political response to the japanese government instead of being a roadtrip which was P5s original direction. This notification is factually wrong and says nothing really
Reset; who constantly complain that Japan always downplaying "sexual predators" in their games and other media, which they never seem to have interest buying. So what do they want? They wanted sexual predators after a teenager to be downplayed. Really think about that one. Oh, and they weren't happy, aren't buying the game and attacking ATLUS over something else.
@@sogoosaka1 I suppose but then again the main difference is that one is fictional and hurts no one and the other is real and has actually consequences.
It is s fact that Lolicons are on a very thin line between pedophilia and liking a cute looking character. Some of them use it to disguise their attraction to minors.
I will never support censorship period. Forcing their fetish unto Ryuji... thats much worse than the original honestly since ryuji gets dragged off. Never listrn the screechers. Companies dont seem to be able to comprehend something so simple
@@SuiteLifeofDioBrando The irony is truly incredible isn't it. They would prefer social brownie points over actual sales, that's good business. People should know by now anytime you bend the knee to these jag-offs people immediately will not buy your product.
Original: Two horny grown ups hit on a minor, then it's implied said minor was forced to do things against his will, possibly raped judging by his reaction. Localized: Two grown ups want to dress Ryuji as a girl. How exactly is the localized version worse than the original? Do Persona 5 fans know how to read?
@@Robotta I feel like you're a bit disingenuous with the localized one. Its more like the original but less horny however has a fetish to put a minor in drag. The localization is so awkward.
@@Robotta Correction Localized: Two grown men forced their fetish on an under aged kid and may have raped him. You see its the added fetish that makes it worse.
@@dylqn55 How are the anti-censorship people lunatics? How the fuck is wanting the artists vision to remain the same and not having a version forced onto us by selfish agenda driven jerk offs lunacy?
So, in attempt to appease ResetEra, Atlas wound up changing all sorts of things in a way that doesn't appease anyone. To be fair, I don't think it'd ever be possible to appease sjws without deleting the entire damn thing.
This feels really minor, but still conveys different views for players. I realize not all Japanese Dialog translates well into English, but I would still prefer it if the dialog was synonymous with the Japanese. Just like how "Big" and "Large" mean more or less the same thing.
Nine_Tails137 exactly. I don’t buy Atlas games because I want a game with American sensibilities. I like Japanese fiction, so just keep it close the original, please. Most people who actually buy and play these games will agree with me.
@@brosef9997 Honestly what I don't get, is how Sony is so xenophobic towards Japan, yet they glorify Blood, Violence and Gore? Like, how is nudity, something we're naturally born with, more offensive than killing our own species? And keep in mind, this is coming from a guy who enjoys games like Quake 2, Mortal Kombat, and Twisted Metal.
@@nine_tails137 This is not Sony, but mostly American sensibilities. In Europe, nudity is fair game, but violence is frowned up. Fun fact: most of Japan media censorship laws come from the post-war American military government period. Tentacle porn was created to evade those rules.
@Wolf17 You got it backwards, he was talking about people being bothered by the original scenes. Also, there's no such thing as an anti-SJW. There are people who are so social-politically driven to the point that they have to virtue signal nonstop and attempt to interject their personal views wherever they possibly can, and then there's just normal people who point out what they are doing by stating the obvious.
It may just be me but as a queer guy, that made me so uncomfortable since that's about the closest thing to gay representation in the game aside from lala
I mean it sounds kind of terrible it sounds like a product for your toilet or something. But if you think about it's pretty damn accurate. It's a very cut-and-dry term in the era of bending the knee.
Wanna know what's just as bad, even if not as nearly as offensive? Morgana and Joker just shrugging off Ryuji getting sexually assaulted. Honestly it feels like it wouldn't even be surprising if somehow Morgana got **mad** at Ryuji for it too, calling him an idiot. Or the scene where Ryuji gets beat up by everyone has me salty. I'm surprised they didn't change that scene to be one where they actually show their appreciation for Ryuji in Royal. You'd think a game focusing on the corruption of society would focus more on that sort of thing.
Characters like Ryuji are usually the butt of all jokes in Japan, which is a funny contrast to how they're perceived in the West. Post-war Japanese culture is extremely homophobic so gay people are seen as jokes, rapists or over the top and a try-hard loudmouth character like Ryuji is in their eyes deserving of this. This video has a cool review by a Japanese American that puts this into context a bit. th-cam.com/video/kQeHMXtl0L4/w-d-xo.html
This scenes made me scoff being part of the LGBT myself but overly intrusive LGBT members do exist and the OG scenes should not have been removed just because it paints some of us in bad light. Imo. This is ridiculous.
@Dlon Alokin What I meant was that the OG scene showed a side of the LGBT the LGBT doesn't really want others to see. You certainly have people like that in my community. We aren't saints. Lol. I never associated myself with these characters. Hehe. I never even was offended by this. It was, at most, a parody or an over exaggeration of a stereotype.
So now the games assumes some guy is into the drag scene because they peeked into a bar where a guy in drags works......despite the patrons of said bar being people that are not into drag. Thanks Reeeeeeeesetera.
Although I'd prefer if they "sanitized" nothing at all, I can deal with it if it's as minuscule as a couple altered lines of dialogue as they appear to me in P45's case. The only thing that makes me kinda nervous for future titles is that things like this could be a slippery slope. Your ResetEra's of the world are gonna have a hate boner for Atlas & Japanese culture in general no matter what attempts you make to appease them. It'll never be enough for some. I'd prefer if they just ignored these types outright.
As soon as ResetEra heard about ATLUS West censoring it, they immediately started bitching about the Japanese version not being censored. They're literally never happy.
I would never say that Atlus should feel proud of this Royal localization, they should rather be ashamed. To me, the basic rule of localization staff's job is to bring the product to a new language market in a way that makes it understandable for the new audience, and gives them same experience as the original. Changing context and connotations of even a minor scene like that is a giant breach of that basic rule, as now we are offered a watered down product instead of what it was supposed to be. Some people can complain about the original Persona 5 localization being a bit stiff at times, however all the ideas in it were absolutely intact, the only edits made were those that were absolutely necessary(So stuff like puns, which obviously doesn't work between different languages, or other details). Royal localization allowed for far more edits, and this is what we get, a "sanitized" inferior product, which changes things deemed "offensive" because of some Resetera mentally challenged morons screaming bloody outrage on the internet. Atlus West staff should be VERY ashamed of themselves, and hopefully Royal sales take enough of a hit for them to notice that listening to Resetera is never a good idea. PS: Given what was done to Royal, I think it's pretty disgusting that the website made by some attention-seeker complaining about original localization is still up... even though it was a far superior localization to what Royale received.
He's saying they should be proud of all the much-needed grammar fixes. Things like "He healed himself? Is it because he ate those inside there?" and "It means they're holding nothing back and are serious to kill us!" These two scenes (both of which are meaningless filler that have zero impact on the actual story) are the only scenes that were explicitly changed in a way that is inaccurate to the Japanese script (other than the term "Metaverse" as a whole which is a HUGE continuity error but that's something Atlus USA's pretty much boxed themselves into at this point). 90% of translation errors from the original game (Sae's phone call during the prologue, for example) were fixed, and most of those are things that ARE important to the story.
Razor7557 chill dude. Your complaining about a minor scene that doesn't effect the main plot. If atlus didn't say anything about the change you wouldn't care either way. While I agree Reset era site is toxic and people shouldn't pay attent to it , you reactionaries are just as worst as the reset people.
@@xblade149 I would care once it was noticed. Because it's not the first time Atlus West censors things like that, and we MUST tell them that this kind of "sanitization" is unnacceptable, if we keep just being like " meh, it's not important just a minor thing.", they are going to keep listening to Resetera, and slowly it will turn from minor stuff into much bigger things being censored(Like Tokyo Mirage Sessions for example, though I'm not sure if Resetera had anything to do with censorship of that one) because pre-emptive censoring would seem to make no difference in sales, and at least makes e-terrorists who dox people for wrongthink, leave them alone.
@@jacquespaught I prefer grammatical flaws over censorship. I don't care if some sentence sounds awkward as long as it is obvious what it means. I care when a sentence might sound okay gramatically, but has next to nothing to do with original intent. It's a betrayal of what localization is supposed to be.
Imagine trying to fix scenes because of vocal minority outburst and in the process you unintentionally make it worse. The irony of it has me laughing pretty hard.
@@jonnysac77 You let this type of shit pass, they'll do it again and again and again. I'm not gonna buy it and if one day I can jailbreak a PS4. I'll play it for free.
Really interesting video. Went into it wondering why everyone was so up in arms about this but the last statement from the person who translated really stuck with me. It does warp the original intentions and does seem to let the writer 'get away with it'. Definitely something to think about
The more we obscure and cover over history the true history the painful history the less we will learn and expand/improve as a culture. So many people believe the best way to deal with things that offend them is to hide them away. When in reality the best way to deal with anything (okay almost anything) is head-on. The idea of "softening" or changing/editing things in response to "cultural sensitivities" is wrongheaded. It actually only makes things worse most of the time.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu Sadly, leaving this particular thing the way it was just wasn't an option, not because of the fans, not because of Resetera but because of the people that would blindly defend the director because he/she also identifies as a Drag, saying "He can't be homophobic if he's gay" which is sadly not the case, there are Gay Homophobic people out there
So isn't it worse that they changed one of their names to a manly name? Isn't that like changing their gender? Julian from Juliana. How is that not gonna piss people off people more? Should have just left it the way it was.
Because people who complain about something so trivial are never satisfied. They could remove the scenes entirely and they (the people who complained in the first place) probably would complain that They censored representation of a minority group (oh wait people already are). To reiterate, it didn't matter whether or not they changed it, people would always find something to complain about (even me. I'm complaining about people complaining).
So two over the top men comedically dragging Ryuji off, something obviously meant to be a joke, is such a horrid controversy it warrants censorship, but inviting over your teacher dressed as a maid over and over again is perfectly acceptable, and hitting on your doctor who gives you random drugs is totally fine? Cool, double standards are fun.
While I like Lipschultz's approach to faithfulness in translation when it comes to localizing art, his mindset is clearly already poisoned by Californian Bay-area far-left bigotry for him to call out anything he doesn't agree with as wrong, even if they're mere caricatures of people that *do* exist in real life. Truly sad times, but whatever, another sane Japanese-to-English translator who's willing to fight the good fight will eventually show up when the pendulum starts going in the opposite direction of "political correctness". It happened once, I don't see any reason to think it won't happen again.
This this this! Although your comment could use some extra commas & a tiny bit better formatting, you got the point across, & I wholeheartly agree with everything you said.
@@CoolMintMC Thanks, I've been seeing a lot of hyphen-heavy (see what I did there) writing as of late, so I thought that maybe that's the way English speakers are writing nowadays (I'm not a native English speaker). After rereading my own comment, I do feel like I'm perhaps coming across as unnecessarily adversarial towards Tom Lipschultz, from what I know of his work he's been nothing but an awesome professional and I would be more than happy to support his work if it piques my interest.
They shouldn't have changed it, just like with Catherine: Full Body they made changes after a few people whined and complained. After the game came out the same people who were offended found new things to get offended about.
As someone who's been in Ryuji's position before, I think it's irresponsible of Atlus to alter it from gay guys being overtly forceful in wanting him, to just make over fairies. Doing this is by far more "tone deaf" to how some people act in the new translation.
Sega is a Californian company. The American Sega is based out of Irvine (the "Rich area" of SoCal), for anyone curious. Southern California's mostly a trashy area, having only Instagram photo-ops, tweakers and Disneyland (not for too long) there.
Because when you translate a Japanese sentence to English without accounting for English syntax, you get lines like "There are many more events I must inquire on," and "Forgiving him was never the option."
I can respond to you with two words, but if you're not from Italy you probably won't understand: Gualtiero Cannarsi. simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gualtiero_Cannarsi it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gualtiero_Cannarsi th-cam.com/video/wuLceAGyNVc/w-d-xo.html
Are you going to cover the North American release of PSO2? They made it so you can't make shorter characters (yet they kept the partner/auxiliary characters short, which makes it a double standard) and apparently censored some of the lewd outfits.
@@Deadmare In my case it's not about what I want but the pure hypocrisy of the censorship (a running trend with the censorship in PSO2Global, like refusing to add Smart Inner but later releasing similar innerwear) but there are plenty of people who were whinging about it for months on end (Probably even kept doing so up until the forums went read-only, probably still are elsewhere) while pretending their obvious motives for doing so were untrue. No one would care _that_ much otherwise, they can pretend it's about artistic integrity or whatever all they want, it doesn't make it any truer because they wouldn't have a personal reason to care if that were the reason. They also got on my case for calling Khori a teen p*d*ph*l* and Hitsugi a teen child abuser on the subject of the first bath scene getting cut because they didn't know Al wasn't a child and even then he effectively sort of was at the time (I even proved on my non-content channel that it could have been edited down only for me to discover they cut the rest of the bath scenes but kept the scene where Casra grilled Xiera for hiding them from him even though it makes NO sense without the bath scenes)).
Why are these people trying to appease people that aren't even going to play the game? You should always appease the fans of the game, not the people who don't care and never will. Same thing ruined the slender man movie by trying to appease a guy who never would have watched the damn thing anyway
They did play the game three years ago and they felt kinda weirded out by those scenes, it kinda undercuts the theme of rebelling against a society that judges you without even knowing you and then goes on to do the same thing it preached against so nonchalantly
Have heaps of gay friends in the gaming industry (devs, reviewers, journalists). They love P5R, but don't like these sad stereotypes that feel from a 80s comedy.
@@lewisnorden3744 Define "rudely stereotype" and I bet I could name a hundred classic movies that have committed that same "Sin". Not that it matters, it's not up to you or me, it's up to some spoiled brat communist con artist, so shut your stupid ignorant mouth and do what you are told, citizen.
@@lewisnorden3744 In the Japanese red light district this isn't a stereotype. Just because something is seen as one in America doesn't mean it is else were and I wish people would get that through their thick fucking skulls.
Literally giving up on a 130+ hour game, even thought you most probably enjoyed the base P5, because of 2 30 second scenes is bullshit. The second scene you won't even encounter if you have a girlfriend in-game.
I think the Japanese developers making these changes is fine. It's their art, and it's a different game than base persona 5. I think that falls within the artist's rights. They aren't going too far with changes like George Lucas, and they're changing their own personal message and feelings on the subject. I think it's a very positive change to the message of Royal and persona 5 to give them actual names. But that translator is right. The bad shouldn't be sanitized for the western release. It should be there, even if it is harmful and causes people to not play the game. It's disgustful that it was initially changed so drastically in the original western release. They could have easily made it more accurate to the real version, but they didn't. They don't care. I don't think this is a harmful stereotype however. I don't think the message of persona lends itself into believing that one or two people represent what the creator thinks of an entire group. I really hope Atlus USA realizes their mistake and doesn't pull this crap in the future.
I love P5, but i'm not buying a repack/patched version of the game with some additional content. I'll watch the new shiet on youtube. This things where old games re-released with some additional content at full price needs to stop and this is something that japanese devs have been doing for a long time.
I am also skipping the game, but not due to censorship. I skip remasters/ultimate editions of games I already own. I would just say support the games you want to see more of. Gaming is about having fun.
@Dlon Alokin No they won't, they had to shut up some annoying brainlets, so what? Were the sacrifices that big that the game is ruined? Atlus will know where to draw the line.
it worse now because it """changed the targeted group""" Since now it's a not-so-ambiguous situation of drags forcefully imposing their lifestyle on Ryuji lm dying, resetera got their wish but it was done with a monkeys paw lmao
@@Ryo_Hakuron Most of the people I have spoken with haven't had a problem with it. The few I have seen had a problem with the fact that P5 didn't change shogi to chess.
@@409gmoney All I'm saying is that I haven't seen anyone who was actually insulted by a joke. So let me give you a situation if someone were to make a joke about some who sounds like you would you feel insulted, if your answer is no then you need to rethink this.
The real monsters are all these reset rea people who don't even play the games they want to change. I just got Persona back in my life. Now I am scared that I won't be seeing it again due to the next release being a target for even more censorship. If you give these freaks an inch they want the whole mile.
@@TheVampireFishQueen your first time? look at Mortal Kombat I will give that at least to two more games till it gets censored and rediclouse to the point its a parody with in its self. If they start they wont stop. at first its what harm can it do till there changing entire levels cause too offensive.
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Honestly I like the royal version better. It's way more funny to think of ryuji in a dress looking like a chick than him getting sexually harrassed and joker leaving him to maybe get raped. The first dungeon of the game is to stop a guy who's sexually harassed one of your party members and raped someone that your party member most cared about. But now it's it's happening to a guy it's totally fine and should be made as joke to me that's ridiculous and I don't understand why they would put that double standard in game. I don't agree why they changed it because apparently it was offensive to gay people, which is ridiculous but this seen should had been changed and at least in my opinion works better.
That might work better if 1. they still weren't forcing him into things against his will, 2. if the girls didn't beat the crap out of Ryuji for not being dead, and 3. if Ann's persona wasn't a female version of Kamoshida. Seriously, look at that thing - it has men on leashes and has the same vibes as Kamoshida's views on the girls on the volleyball team. So basically the game already had really gross double standards unfortunately, but this one joke scene isn't the worst of it. I'd say the other two are way worse.
@@aardwolf6668 point 1 I would rather be dressed as a girl then be raped and people treat it as a joke. 2 the game actually addresses that with all of girls feeling super bad about doing that to ryuji and saying how they should apologize and make it up to him. 3 what the hell are you talking about Carmen and kamoshida are nothing alike. One is a rapist while the other plays uses her female charm to steal from rich assholes. Even by her lore in they say "Carmen is generally depicted as a classic femme fatale who would take advantage of her beauty and charm to make men fall for her, but quickly break the relationship once she is bored of her wooer, and then she looks for her next victim." That doesn't sound like a rapist at all. But if you really want to focus on lore of personas let's not forget you have futaba's necronomicon you know the book of darkness and joker and every protagonist can summon Satan.
I still want the game, but this stupid censorship has killed my hype, I'll try to get it used in some time, so i can play it but technically I'm not giving money to the company
It almost seems like they changed those two characters personality out of spite but in all honesty I don't know. But I do know one thing: I'm getting sick and tired of creators having to change their stories just to appease a group of people who get get butthurt on behalf of others that never asked them to. If it truly did upset certain people to the point where they feel like they have to harass or threaten Developers and act like you speak on behalf of the entire base then this game was never for you to begin with and you should move on to something else.
the "gotten away with it line" is honestly fucking stupid. they didn't get away with it people saw it and complained which prompted them to change it. So should I never comment on how stupid I find a games scene because it might get changed? yeah im sure that's how we're sure to get better writing.
Absurd changes. If it’s homophobic to have an aggressive gay dude hitting on someone, it’s also wrong to have an aggressive straight man hitting on someone. But neither are wrong, obviously. Guys (whether gay or straight) get aggressive. It happens. It’s part of our DNA. I’m straight and have been hit on many times by gay dudes, IRL. Who cares? There’s nothing immoral about that scene; it’s actually pretty hilarious since Ryuji is such a try-hard alpha who constantly tries to exude machismo. Reminder: this is FICTION! These are not allegations about real people. If anyone is making generalizations, it’s the SJWs who believe that these fictional extras in a video game somehow represent all homosexuals. Imagine if southern people got offended every time someone wrote a villain with a southern accent. Imagine if Germans got pissed off for every German villain. It’s absurd! SJWs are ruining art.
They seem like pretty minor changes, and I mean these are the only gay characters in the game (other than lala) so it kinda feels like it's targeted. Not to mention that portraying gay men as predators is quite the common trope. I'm not necessarily offended by it but I do feel really uncomfortable every time I see this scene
@@bluesdealer You say that because you (probably) feel extremely represented in media as a heterosexual man. There's white cis man nerd heroes, buff heroes... lawyers, detectives, cops, scientists, hell take your pick of which one you'd like to be. Were you gay, you'd be probably be frustrated to yet again see a gay character included only as a predator and/or a joke. Gay/trans actors would like to be given a chance to play the roles they have personal experience in, instead of joke/insulting characters. You'd be surprised if you have more friends outside your cohort. Black dolls used to cost twice or more that white dolls because they were so rare and not enough production to fulfill demand until Black barbies came along. Fun fact #1: Alpha males is a debunked concept retracted by the very scientist that initially proposed it. Fun fact #2: SJWs run the arts, that's one of the bigger motivations for someone to work on a low-paying, passion-driven industry. You'll find few right-wing movie makers, actors, writers, painters etc I'm afraid.
The big issue I have is that the characters come off as fucking predatory. Not some of the worst I’ve seen, but threatening someone to strip that is under the age of 18 from people who are clearly adults is predatory and plays into stereotypes of LGBT+ people being p*dophilic. Inb4 someone commenting on Japanese age of consent laws. The censorship to me is at least an attempt to try to be aware of the issue, but idk if it’s gonna stick with the Japanese writers to be more aware of how their writing impacts people. Doxxing is never OK and if anything it could have the opposite effect, pushing people further towards harmful ideas of LGBT+ people. It’s a complicated mess that could have been avoided if the original script had made these characters less predatory and in a more natural way. They really seemed to come out of nowhere.
I know you've made this comment years ago, but still wanted to point out that most Westerners seriously misunderstand consent laws in Japan by forgetting about the equally, if not more important Child Wellfare Act, which states minors can only consent *within their own age group* (some prefectures going so far as making it an *exact age* thing where even your 17-year-old classmate will be arrested for dating 16-year-old you, and yes, such things did and do happen). But yeah, adding not just two predatory queer characters, but even more specifically two predatory trans characters was an extremely disgusting move on their part.
Really it's only the more predatory part that I see as fucky, since it's a very inaccurate based on propaganda stereotype rather than just the minority but sizeable stereotype of effeminatity and I only dislike straight up inaccurate rather than exaggerated stereotypes, and just removing them trying to strip Ryujji is more the better action for JP since just appreciating Ryujji more built body is not too creepy to get annoyed over and turning them just into cross-dressers seems less tolerant actually, of removing their gender identity... Is this really a Resetera change since it seems too Conservative for them with a more honest direct natural translation fitting better?
4:42 I'm not sure if he mentions it in the video, but im pretty sure "fairy" was an old slur used against the lgbt community (particularly gay men and MtF) so, considering how the two men are "cross-dressing" in the new translation, the English translation may have removed it so people don't get the wrong idea.
Noneyo Business No one cares that deeply, if they got offended by a term only older people irl would call them then they need to grow some thick skin I’m sure they’ve heard worse
THe game warns you twice. first with that little letter on the corner of the box before y ou buy the game. second with a disclaimer yo u are required to agree to before the game even lets you play it.
"Controversial" What a load of rubbish. This is why I refuse to buy it. Between greed and censorship I don't even play new games anymore. Also refuse to buy anything on a Sony platform.
Finally someone who focuses on both greed and censorship. Not saying "only censorship is the problem. I don't care about being charged up the ass for the ability to change my hair color or have to buy 25 different things for practically 17 other people....just to get that 1 thing for my character. Don't like it? Then don't buy it." Me: Well if a game is censoring something "don't buy it", don't give your money to somebody who's not going to respect you. Buy a PC and mod it back in. Can't afford a PC? "Don't like that option? Then don't buy and/or play the game at all." It's not going to be "one way and not the other", we're not playing that game. At least you have another options with censorship. I can't get what I want for free because it should be free if it's a PvP online only game, the game is known for banning people who mod the game, or it's impossible to mod the game. *Cough* Rockstar *cough* Call of Duty *cough* Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet *cough*. I can't isolate what I want so I can buy it. Dark age of CoD, Dead or Alive 6 a year ago, ect.
12:00 Wait, THAT'S their point? "Author getting away with it"?! Not, bloody "censoring and altering the fucking ART"?! Well, i guess that says a ton about how western industry perceives games - not as an art form, but as a commodity that needs to be altered so it will be more palatable to baka gaijins and as a result sells better in the US...
Got the European version 4 day earlier . Try to find out if that was changed here too . And if its changed in other languages too .Deepsilver is the publisher in Europe by the way .
this is just slightly irritating, was anything actually important changed? how about the over all localization? i liked the original, but i am concerned about the over all quality since people were trying to bring atlus down last time to cover for actual bad localizations (god damn tree house)
@@comyuse9103 Only the new content got additional localization . Changed was the "offensive "content . If you understand a bit of Japanese your are better off to switch on the original voices and listen to what the characters say . So you can discern if there is a difference between written and spoken dialogue .
@@lrb1983 Sorry to hear that. If nothing else, maybe there's fan translations for the previous games? I swear to god I remember a Persona PSP translation of sorts. No idea what the language was, but I'm sure it exists.
There is now a mod for the pc version that restores the text from the original version. Got to love the power of pc gaming undoing this idiotic censorship.
So they tried to fix it. By making it worst. Just let scenes be how they were written. Its okay to offend people. Its not the same as HARMING people. Its merely differing views. If people take offense to people not conforming to their views. Then they can't function in normal society.
It is super ironic having people saying "born this way" and how certain lifestyles are natural then telling other people they are wrong and need to change. Truly the greatest of hypocrisies I've ever seen. We won't change you have to.
i feel pity that the localization team or developers have to change some dialog because there are some people who would make it a controversy even though it's just a joke.
Except it was stated that the localization team on the original P5 felt discomfort sticking close to the Japanese version so the new manager allowed them to change it in an attempt to "correct" what was wrong.
So they changed it from two effeminate men dragging ryuji off cause they're gay to them dragging him off cause they're drag queen designers? I don't know I'd bet resetera will still call it homophobic or at worst transphobic cause you still have these two men taking ryuji off to do something he do he doesn't want to do. Well in any case from what I've seen aside from this (with exceptions being kasumi or maruki) p5r doesn't look any different from the original and as such I'll wait for a discount. Can't be giving atlus full price retail on a pre packaged product with small (yet pointless) changes since resetera may still call these scenes transphobic am I right?
Going by the resetera takes Twitter, they are complaining about the censored dialogue being even worse than the original and are demanding atlus change it. Hell, the people commenting on the post were saying stuff like "this was atlus giving the middle finger to resetera". While I hate censorship, it's slightly better here than what happened in Catherine full body where they didn't even bother to change Erica's line to fit with Vincent's new line.
@@DVo-fe8ew it was that dialogue where Erica's line was basically "the way to a woman's heart" and Vincent's old line taking a joking jab by saying "that would mean more if a woman was telling me that". It was changed to just "aw come on" but Erica's line was still "sounds like someone wants to pick up the tab" Then I think in Catherine's new ending where she goes back in time to Vincent's highschool days to be Vincent's girlfriend before Katherine could, and Eric(a) was changed there too, and in the game credits
I don't agree with them censoring it. I always saw those two scenes as lighthearted jokes, just humor, not trying to be offensive. But then again I'm not part of the group being represented, so while I still think it shouldn't be taken as offensive even by actual LGBT people (because I suspect the people making noise about those scenes weren't even LGBT to begin with) I respect someone else's opinion of it being offensive. On the plus side though, I don't think the new dialog ruins anything to be honest. It doesn't "sound off" or anything like in other localizations. It's more of an issue of altering the original content.
@ 3:29 the Japanese reads, "Kawaisou na me de min na! Nakama no pinchi dazo, Oi! (lit. "Don't you see with your pathetic eyes! Your friend is in a pinch, Hey!) Which is about what you see in the English translation. It's idiomatic in its phrasing, so the English side is more or less correct.
@@J.Crime123 It will include all the main EU languages. But knowing how lazy Atlus is, they can just translate it again from English, because it's cheaper.
@@lemonov3031 Oh so they finally did at least the bare minimum and added other languages to it. But yeah they probably just translate the english text. Other studio but the same happened to the Final Fantasy 15 translation. Just translated the english text into german instead of doing any work from the original japanese script.
Being PC or enforcing morals has nothing to do with it. Bottom line its money. Every company is frightened of the black mark accusations can have on sales. They're simply taking the path of least resistance and highest monetary gain.
I bet good money that the people thinking THIS censorship is okay overlooked on how the localization portray the two dudes. They made drag queens creeps for forcing a minor to getting into drag. Big yikes. I don't plan on buying P5 Royal, I'll just wait patiently for SMTV.
@Dlon Alokin I understand your point and I respect that you don't support censorship in any form, but I feel as though the outrage on both sides are taking this to the extreme. The scene itself was inoffensive so people really shouldn't have whined about it. On the other hand, people shouldn't go out of their way to completely dismiss Royal simply for the fact that they changed one minor scene.
I don't quite think the new Translation sounds more Natural besides that from what I get now is that the English Translation depicted the Characters even worst than there Japanese Counterparts
So that was offensive and they listened. So now theyll demand they change the art style, the combat system, remove demons or offensive material next. Yeah these people will never stop making demands or demand money in order to not interfere
Yeah, they'll start making those demands and you know what'll happen? Nothing. Asking to change a scene so that some LGBT characters aren't portrayed in a negative light is one thing where the devs may feel guilty if they don't bend the knee but changing the entire foundation and idea of the series is something else. Does anyone actually think Atlus are THAT spineless?
Atlus missed why people hated these scenes. The issue with the first scene was you had no choice but to abandon Ryuji. As for both of the scenes people disliked them because aside from possibly Lala these two were the only gay representation. Atlus failed to address either issue
at least in the english ver, at one point lala called herself a little girl when she was younger if she's not just part of shinjuku's crossdressing culture, then she's probably trans
And yet nobody has an issue with letting the girls beat up Ryuji and then everyone just leaving him unconscious in the street...but god forbid a joke with gay guys is included. Also, gay people don't need to be in EVERYTHING. We make up, like, 4% of the population. Yeesh.
I just get mad, that the reason to complain of this scene is about homophobic reasons. But nobody talks about the sexual harassment to a minor guy. I’m gay and I don’t see it right, that those both men molest Ryuji, that’s totally a NO-GO!!!!
Picking it up on sale. P5R should have been a DLC. It's not very different from the original. The only major changes are a new Dungeon and new town. New Persona's, 3rd tier Persona's, balance changes so certain things aren't exploited. Boss fights kinda look like hit or miss changes, some look too easy, some look like a was this even necessary. Don't really care about showtimes as they are just cinematic attacks which sacrifice a turn and can deal lower dmg than you wanted. 3rd tier Persona's and new party member are way too late game. New party member doesn't join until the final dungeon. I do like that Akechi actually gets a confidant that you rank up. To me these changes only justify a $30 purchase not $60.
I mean I dunno I know we aren’t on the front page of many gaming streams, but me and a lotta other gay folks I know are actually pretty happy with this. Like I ain’t gonna lie as a gay guy who hasn’t come out? This scene in high school really fucked with my head. Plus it’s only a few lines, I’m sure y’all can live with one or two missing bits of homophobia.
I'd rather have a disclaimer then the localization team having to awkwardly rewrite the script around the scene. Most of the time it doesn't make sense and is very self-evident that the context was changed in translation to not offend certain people.
Fair point, but I doubt a company would put something like that on the back of the game`s box.
@@SuiteLifeofDioBrando Are you sure? I'm almost certain games actually put some disclaimer like this in the game: "Viewer discretion advised", "This content might offend some viewers", and/or "Names, characters, places and incidents are fictional".
@@ElementalArcher
You think the last part would be enough.
This shit is fictitious, and not based on any people living or dead.
@@ElementalArcher Both Persona 4 and 5 already tell you that the names, characters, places and incidents are all fictional.
Yup, and P5 takes it a bit further, if you don't agree to acknowledge that the names, characters, places and incidents are all fictional, you get sent back to the title screen. There's no excuse for people to offended by 2 minor characters or to change them.
People on reset era dont even play the game why even listen to them
Because they apparently doxxed the company {ATLUS, I believe} & threatened to release private information about employees.
I just saw a few comments about this.
There are people that don't use reset era that were complaining about these scenes
@@CoolMintMC yeah in a way I feel bad for them if that's the only thing that caused them to make the change. I'd still play this but not at full price cause it seems like this is p5 vanilla with just 2 new characters and an after story after fight yaldabaouth. Give me a 20$ discount and we'll talk.
@@CoolMintMC If they're openly commiting crimes, why haven't they been shut down?
@@DarkAdonisVyers Because of this video's sponsor, obviously.
Lets be honest there was no fixing this scene.
I find it ironic that the game makes you agree that the game is only fiction or else you won't be able to play the game
SPOILERS (vanilla P5):
until you find out it is framed as false Igor coercing you to aggree to his rules and this very same notification is used for games to avoid being officially related to something they really are (but understandably so due to the need of avoid legal actions). I mean the devs literally said this game was conceived to be a political response to the japanese government instead of being a roadtrip which was P5s original direction. This notification is factually wrong and says nothing really
What a mess of a scene.
Reset; who constantly complain that Japan always downplaying "sexual predators" in their games and other media, which they never seem to have interest buying. So what do they want? They wanted sexual predators after a teenager to be downplayed.
Really think about that one.
Oh, and they weren't happy, aren't buying the game and attacking ATLUS over something else.
Yeah too relatable for the reset era folk I would guess hitting on minors and all
Cin as if the anti sjw crowd aren’t a bunch of lolicons lol
@@sogoosaka1 I suppose but then again the main difference is that one is fictional and hurts no one and the other is real and has actually consequences.
@@sogoosaka1 Better than pedos
It is s fact that Lolicons are on a very thin line between pedophilia and liking a cute looking character. Some of them use it to disguise their attraction to minors.
Great job, claim that everyone you disagree with is a pedophile, lookin real smart and mature there.
I will never support censorship period.
Forcing their fetish unto Ryuji... thats much worse than the original honestly since ryuji gets dragged off.
Never listrn the screechers. Companies dont seem to be able to comprehend something so simple
I think companies comprehend what they do. Companies care about their image which leads to these censors despite it most likely decreasing sales.
@@SuiteLifeofDioBrando
The irony is truly incredible isn't it.
They would prefer social brownie points over actual sales, that's good business.
People should know by now anytime you bend the knee to these jag-offs people immediately will not buy your product.
Original: Two horny grown ups hit on a minor, then it's implied said minor was forced to do things against his will, possibly raped judging by his reaction.
Localized: Two grown ups want to dress Ryuji as a girl.
How exactly is the localized version worse than the original? Do Persona 5 fans know how to read?
@@Robotta
I feel like you're a bit disingenuous with the localized one.
Its more like the original but less horny however has a fetish to put a minor in drag.
The localization is so awkward.
@@Robotta Correction
Localized: Two grown men forced their fetish on an under aged kid and may have raped him.
You see its the added fetish that makes it worse.
This is so pathetic. These lunatics are out of control.
Lunatics being the localization team or the anti-censorship people in this comment section?
@@dylqn55 the localization team smh
@@dylqn55 A bit of both tbh
@Silver Shore Both. Pathetic for localization team and lunatics for anti-censorship
@@dylqn55 How are the anti-censorship people lunatics? How the fuck is wanting the artists vision to remain the same and not having a version forced onto us by selfish agenda driven jerk offs lunacy?
So, in attempt to appease ResetEra, Atlas wound up changing all sorts of things in a way that doesn't appease anyone. To be fair, I don't think it'd ever be possible to appease sjws without deleting the entire damn thing.
Are you planning a video about this subject?
This feels really minor, but still conveys different views for players. I realize not all Japanese Dialog translates well into English, but I would still prefer it if the dialog was synonymous with the Japanese. Just like how "Big" and "Large" mean more or less the same thing.
Nine_Tails137 exactly. I don’t buy Atlas games because I want a game with American sensibilities. I like Japanese fiction, so just keep it close the original, please. Most people who actually buy and play these games will agree with me.
@@bluesdealer Funny thing is, whenever I complain about censorship in gaming, more often than not I get "pervert shamed". Which really ticks me off.
wokeness turns everything to shit
@@brosef9997 Honestly what I don't get, is how Sony is so xenophobic towards Japan, yet they glorify Blood, Violence and Gore? Like, how is nudity, something we're naturally born with, more offensive than killing our own species? And keep in mind, this is coming from a guy who enjoys games like Quake 2, Mortal Kombat, and Twisted Metal.
@@nine_tails137 This is not Sony, but mostly American sensibilities. In Europe, nudity is fair game, but violence is frowned up.
Fun fact: most of Japan media censorship laws come from the post-war American military government period. Tentacle porn was created to evade those rules.
Seeing these scenes again I forgot how tame they actually were, im surprised that people made such a big deal about them in the first place.
Yeah, it's just silly dialogue in a game that averages a 100+ hour completion. I was not bothered by this scene at all
@kollie79 at least it's (only a little) understandable if they bring up the anime ver. where he was basically glomped
@Wolf17 You got it backwards, he was talking about people being bothered by the original scenes. Also, there's no such thing as an anti-SJW. There are people who are so social-politically driven to the point that they have to virtue signal nonstop and attempt to interject their personal views wherever they possibly can, and then there's just normal people who point out what they are doing by stating the obvious.
It may just be me but as a queer guy, that made me so uncomfortable since that's about the closest thing to gay representation in the game aside from lala
@@jaidev3795 Ikr. In Japan that's the stereotype of a gay man. That scene was really unnecesary.
I dont know how people found the scenes offensive just feels like a waste of time to change something so small
It's not about them being offended, it's about showing they have power by bullying others. They're tyrants.
4:24 They were called freaks for being gay.
@@SuiteLifeofDioBrando they were acting strange tho I doubt it was for being gay
MUH FEMINISM MUH LGBTQ+ RIGHTS
ResetEra in a nutshell.
That NordVPN footage must be old because I only have like 15 countries that I can access.
That isn't right at all for me. I'm not sure what's causing this but support should be able to help!
Trying to appeal to ResetEra gets a pass no matter what in my books.
I don't understand why devs still think ResetEra matters. Clearly, they're retarded and deserve no money.
@@JustASuscriber Because the people working in this industry are a bunch of pedophiles.
@@MeltonCrest Pretty much, the industry is too incestuous, it should fall and burn and needs to be rebuilt.
@@JustASuscriber They doxxed them into doing these changes.
@@KagatoAsuka That doesn't make their submission acceptable. I'll buy it used if I want to waste my time.
''content sanitization'' thats such a dumb term, but hes right mostly.
I mean it sounds kind of terrible it sounds like a product for your toilet or something.
But if you think about it's pretty damn accurate. It's a very cut-and-dry term in the era of bending the knee.
Wanna know what's just as bad, even if not as nearly as offensive? Morgana and Joker just shrugging off Ryuji getting sexually assaulted. Honestly it feels like it wouldn't even be surprising if somehow Morgana got **mad** at Ryuji for it too, calling him an idiot.
Or the scene where Ryuji gets beat up by everyone has me salty. I'm surprised they didn't change that scene to be one where they actually show their appreciation for Ryuji in Royal. You'd think a game focusing on the corruption of society would focus more on that sort of thing.
Characters like Ryuji are usually the butt of all jokes in Japan, which is a funny contrast to how they're perceived in the West. Post-war Japanese culture is extremely homophobic so gay people are seen as jokes, rapists or over the top and a try-hard loudmouth character like Ryuji is in their eyes deserving of this.
This video has a cool review by a Japanese American that puts this into context a bit.
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This scenes made me scoff being part of the LGBT myself but overly intrusive LGBT members do exist and the OG scenes should not have been removed just because it paints some of us in bad light.
Imo.
This is ridiculous.
@Dlon Alokin
What I meant was that the OG scene showed a side of the LGBT the LGBT doesn't really want others to see. You certainly have people like that in my community. We aren't saints. Lol.
I never associated myself with these characters. Hehe. I never even was offended by this. It was, at most, a parody or an over exaggeration of a stereotype.
So now the games assumes some guy is into the drag scene because they peeked into a bar where a guy in drags works......despite the patrons of said bar being people that are not into drag.
Thanks Reeeeeeeesetera.
Cucking to leftists results in one of the few reasons JRPGs can be unique, the writing, being fucked up? Who could have seen THIS coming?
Resetera and Twitter will still find reasons to get pissy about so it doesn't matter.
Although I'd prefer if they "sanitized" nothing at all, I can deal with it if it's as minuscule as a couple altered lines of dialogue as they appear to me in P45's case.
The only thing that makes me kinda nervous for future titles is that things like this could be a slippery slope.
Your ResetEra's of the world are gonna have a hate boner for Atlas & Japanese culture in general no matter what attempts you make to appease them. It'll never be enough for some.
I'd prefer if they just ignored these types outright.
As soon as ResetEra heard about ATLUS West censoring it, they immediately started bitching about the Japanese version not being censored. They're literally never happy.
The new changes make even less sense if you ask me.
I would never say that Atlus should feel proud of this Royal localization, they should rather be ashamed.
To me, the basic rule of localization staff's job is to bring the product to a new language market in a way that makes it understandable for the new audience, and gives them same experience as the original. Changing context and connotations of even a minor scene like that is a giant breach of that basic rule, as now we are offered a watered down product instead of what it was supposed to be.
Some people can complain about the original Persona 5 localization being a bit stiff at times, however all the ideas in it were absolutely intact, the only edits made were those that were absolutely necessary(So stuff like puns, which obviously doesn't work between different languages, or other details). Royal localization allowed for far more edits, and this is what we get, a "sanitized" inferior product, which changes things deemed "offensive" because of some Resetera mentally challenged morons screaming bloody outrage on the internet.
Atlus West staff should be VERY ashamed of themselves, and hopefully Royal sales take enough of a hit for them to notice that listening to Resetera is never a good idea.
PS: Given what was done to Royal, I think it's pretty disgusting that the website made by some attention-seeker complaining about original localization is still up... even though it was a far superior localization to what Royale received.
I heard that they also demanded the ORIGINAL scene to be changed, not just the localization.
Disgusting
He's saying they should be proud of all the much-needed grammar fixes. Things like "He healed himself? Is it because he ate those inside there?" and "It means they're holding nothing back and are serious to kill us!" These two scenes (both of which are meaningless filler that have zero impact on the actual story) are the only scenes that were explicitly changed in a way that is inaccurate to the Japanese script (other than the term "Metaverse" as a whole which is a HUGE continuity error but that's something Atlus USA's pretty much boxed themselves into at this point). 90% of translation errors from the original game (Sae's phone call during the prologue, for example) were fixed, and most of those are things that ARE important to the story.
Razor7557 chill dude. Your complaining about a minor scene that doesn't effect the main plot. If atlus didn't say anything about the change you wouldn't care either way. While I agree Reset era site is toxic and people shouldn't pay attent to it , you reactionaries are just as worst as the reset people.
@@xblade149 I would care once it was noticed. Because it's not the first time Atlus West censors things like that, and we MUST tell them that this kind of "sanitization" is unnacceptable, if we keep just being like " meh, it's not important just a minor thing.", they are going to keep listening to Resetera, and slowly it will turn from minor stuff into much bigger things being censored(Like Tokyo Mirage Sessions for example, though I'm not sure if Resetera had anything to do with censorship of that one) because pre-emptive censoring would seem to make no difference in sales, and at least makes e-terrorists who dox people for wrongthink, leave them alone.
@@jacquespaught I prefer grammatical flaws over censorship. I don't care if some sentence sounds awkward as long as it is obvious what it means. I care when a sentence might sound okay gramatically, but has next to nothing to do with original intent. It's a betrayal of what localization is supposed to be.
Imagine trying to fix scenes because of vocal minority outburst and in the process you unintentionally make it worse. The irony of it has me laughing pretty hard.
Indeed. I find it funny the whole thing.
Do these two gag scenes really mean that much to you?, you'll forget they even changed those scenes when you eventually give in and buy it
Lord Blue Balls EX but if you were in favor of changing them, do they really mean that much to you?
@@jonnysac77
You let this type of shit pass, they'll do it again and again and again.
I'm not gonna buy it and if one day I can jailbreak a PS4. I'll play it for free.
@@winkmink7709 for me I am buying it used most likely.
I wonder why they have difficulty with these two NPCs when they handled Tatsuya and Jun very well
LowHPComics Different writers, clearly drastically different
I personally think the Translation for P5R should’ve remained the same as it was in the OG P5.
Really interesting video. Went into it wondering why everyone was so up in arms about this but the last statement from the person who translated really stuck with me. It does warp the original intentions and does seem to let the writer 'get away with it'. Definitely something to think about
The more we obscure and cover over history the true history the painful history the less we will learn and expand/improve as a culture.
So many people believe the best way to deal with things that offend them is to hide them away. When in reality the best way to deal with anything (okay almost anything) is head-on.
The idea of "softening" or changing/editing things in response to "cultural sensitivities" is wrongheaded. It actually only makes things worse most of the time.
@@JohnDoe-wq5eu Sadly, leaving this particular thing the way it was just wasn't an option, not because of the fans, not because of Resetera but because of the people that would blindly defend the director because he/she also identifies as a Drag, saying "He can't be homophobic if he's gay" which is sadly not the case, there are Gay Homophobic people out there
So isn't it worse that they changed one of their names to a manly name? Isn't that like changing their gender? Julian from Juliana. How is that not gonna piss people off people more? Should have just left it the way it was.
Because people who complain about something so trivial are never satisfied. They could remove the scenes entirely and they (the people who complained in the first place) probably would complain that They censored representation of a minority group (oh wait people already are). To reiterate, it didn't matter whether or not they changed it, people would always find something to complain about (even me. I'm complaining about people complaining).
its also worse since now the scene is two drags making Ryuji do drag against his will
thanks ree-era
So two over the top men comedically dragging Ryuji off, something obviously meant to be a joke, is such a horrid controversy it warrants censorship, but inviting over your teacher dressed as a maid over and over again is perfectly acceptable, and hitting on your doctor who gives you random drugs is totally fine?
Cool, double standards are fun.
Yeah, I mean at least it’s not gay.
While I like Lipschultz's approach to faithfulness in translation when it comes to localizing art, his mindset is clearly already poisoned by Californian Bay-area far-left bigotry for him to call out anything he doesn't agree with as wrong, even if they're mere caricatures of people that *do* exist in real life. Truly sad times, but whatever, another sane Japanese-to-English translator who's willing to fight the good fight will eventually show up when the pendulum starts going in the opposite direction of "political correctness". It happened once, I don't see any reason to think it won't happen again.
This this this!
Although your comment could use some extra commas & a tiny bit better formatting, you got the point across, & I wholeheartly agree with everything you said.
@@CoolMintMC Thanks, I've been seeing a lot of hyphen-heavy (see what I did there) writing as of late, so I thought that maybe that's the way English speakers are writing nowadays (I'm not a native English speaker).
After rereading my own comment, I do feel like I'm perhaps coming across as unnecessarily adversarial towards Tom Lipschultz, from what I know of his work he's been nothing but an awesome professional and I would be more than happy to support his work if it piques my interest.
Glad to see you uploading again hope you get in a better place soon
I rather have it the way the director wanted it than crafted to people feelings.
They shouldn't have changed it, just like with Catherine: Full Body they made changes after a few people whined and complained. After the game came out the same people who were offended found new things to get offended about.
As someone who's been in Ryuji's position before, I think it's irresponsible of Atlus to alter it from gay guys being overtly forceful in wanting him, to just make over fairies.
Doing this is by far more "tone deaf" to how some people act in the new translation.
And what do you think of Joker's action or lack thereof to be exact?
I'm sorry that you had to experience that but your conclusion would be like a girl saying that all boys are rapist because a pervert attacked her
everyday i hope all resetera users would just vanish
With COVID-19, lets hope our society gets a restart.
@@LazyPirate8 no
Not the Great Reset!
@@theextremeanimator4721
Don't fight it
“ResetEra hates colonialism” and other jokes you can tell your friends.
I won't be suprised if they complain again saying it's a mockery and stereotyping of Drag Queens or something. They won't shut up.
Exactly
It's very annoying!
Sega is a Californian company. The American Sega is based out of Irvine (the "Rich area" of SoCal), for anyone curious.
Southern California's mostly a trashy area, having only Instagram photo-ops, tweakers and Disneyland (not for too long) there.
Rox Media How does that tie into the translation when it’s Atlus USA’s work
_"I felt that Persona 5 was initially translated a bit too directly from the Japanese."_
HOW IS THAT A BAD THING?
Because when you translate a Japanese sentence to English without accounting for English syntax, you get lines like "There are many more events I must inquire on," and "Forgiving him was never the option."
Indirect translations arent all bad too
Its one of the reasons why FF6 is remembered so fondly
You get word salad and you can even miss meaning behind the original lines.
I can respond to you with two words, but if you're not from Italy you probably won't understand:
Gualtiero Cannarsi.
simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gualtiero_Cannarsi
it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gualtiero_Cannarsi
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@@jacquespaught Oh boy, it's this guy. Ugh. Direct translations are better broseph.
On the bright side, Lala Escargot is fully voiced and she’s my favorite npc in the game
Really? cause shes mine too thats awesome
She should be the devil confidant instead of that alcoholic
He’s a man.
@@Deport_All_nonWhites even if shes "a man", she's at the very least owner of an okama bar, and her role as Lala is female
@@Deport_All_nonWhiteswhile in drag is in a role xD
Are you going to cover the North American release of PSO2? They made it so you can't make shorter characters (yet they kept the partner/auxiliary characters short, which makes it a double standard) and apparently censored some of the lewd outfits.
huh? im playing pso2 on steam in north America and my character is very short what are you talking about????
@@Deadmare Not as short as the Japanese release.
@@mattwo7 any thing shorter then Klariskrays height would look strange do you really need your character to be the size of the auxiliary partner?
@@Deadmare In my case it's not about what I want but the pure hypocrisy of the censorship (a running trend with the censorship in PSO2Global, like refusing to add Smart Inner but later releasing similar innerwear) but there are plenty of people who were whinging about it for months on end (Probably even kept doing so up until the forums went read-only, probably still are elsewhere) while pretending their obvious motives for doing so were untrue.
No one would care _that_ much otherwise, they can pretend it's about artistic integrity or whatever all they want, it doesn't make it any truer because they wouldn't have a personal reason to care if that were the reason.
They also got on my case for calling Khori a teen p*d*ph*l* and Hitsugi a teen child abuser on the subject of the first bath scene getting cut because they didn't know Al wasn't a child and even then he effectively sort of was at the time (I even proved on my non-content channel that it could have been edited down only for me to discover they cut the rest of the bath scenes but kept the scene where Casra grilled Xiera for hiding them from him even though it makes NO sense without the bath scenes)).
Why are these people trying to appease people that aren't even going to play the game? You should always appease the fans of the game, not the people who don't care and never will. Same thing ruined the slender man movie by trying to appease a guy who never would have watched the damn thing anyway
They did play the game three years ago and they felt kinda weirded out by those scenes, it kinda undercuts the theme of rebelling against a society that judges you without even knowing you and then goes on to do the same thing it preached against so nonchalantly
Lord Blue Balls EX the scenes are so short and meaningless I always skip over them regardless of if they give me hahas so changing them does fuck all
Have heaps of gay friends in the gaming industry (devs, reviewers, journalists). They love P5R, but don't like these sad stereotypes that feel from a 80s comedy.
0:41 Video starts here
Glad I'm not getting this game anymore
Cos they altered two minuscule scenes in a 100 hour + game to not rudely stereotype people of different sexual preference?
@@hikari9807Because the alphabet soup tumblr waste is angry only at what it sees fit, for no reason.
@@lewisnorden3744 Define "rudely stereotype" and I bet I could name a hundred classic movies that have committed that same "Sin".
Not that it matters, it's not up to you or me, it's up to some spoiled brat communist con artist, so shut your stupid ignorant mouth and do what you are told, citizen.
@@lewisnorden3744 In the Japanese red light district this isn't a stereotype. Just because something is seen as one in America doesn't mean it is else were and I wish people would get that through their thick fucking skulls.
Literally giving up on a 130+ hour game, even thought you most probably enjoyed the base P5, because of 2 30 second scenes is bullshit. The second scene you won't even encounter if you have a girlfriend in-game.
I think the Japanese developers making these changes is fine. It's their art, and it's a different game than base persona 5. I think that falls within the artist's rights. They aren't going too far with changes like George Lucas, and they're changing their own personal message and feelings on the subject. I think it's a very positive change to the message of Royal and persona 5 to give them actual names.
But that translator is right. The bad shouldn't be sanitized for the western release. It should be there, even if it is harmful and causes people to not play the game. It's disgustful that it was initially changed so drastically in the original western release. They could have easily made it more accurate to the real version, but they didn't. They don't care. I don't think this is a harmful stereotype however. I don't think the message of persona lends itself into believing that one or two people represent what the creator thinks of an entire group. I really hope Atlus USA realizes their mistake and doesn't pull this crap in the future.
Thx for the heads up
You should still get the game.
@@TheVampireFishQueen I already have it but don't have time to play nowadays unfortunately XD
I love P5, but i'm not buying a repack/patched version of the game with some additional content. I'll watch the new shiet on youtube. This things where old games re-released with some additional content at full price needs to stop and this is something that japanese devs have been doing for a long time.
Yeah, it really should stop. But then again, I'm buying it so I can't really argue against its existence
@@dylqn55 I'm in the same boat as you
I am also skipping the game, but not due to censorship. I skip remasters/ultimate editions of games I already own. I would just say support the games you want to see more of. Gaming is about having fun.
@Silver Shore It's a few minutes of censorship. I really couldn't care less
@Dlon Alokin No they won't, they had to shut up some annoying brainlets, so what? Were the sacrifices that big that the game is ruined? Atlus will know where to draw the line.
got offended about representation, so they removed the representation. GG atlus.
it worse now because it """changed the targeted group"""
Since now it's a not-so-ambiguous situation of drags forcefully imposing their lifestyle on Ryuji
lm dying, resetera got their wish but it was done with a monkeys paw lmao
@@zaqareemalcolm lol 😂
How tf is this representation?? Atlus presenting gay people as predators?? Are you out of your damn mind?
They say it caused problems yet, everyone who actually played it found it funny.
Damn I guess I didn't play it then
That's a bold statement. Most people I've talked to found the scene to be unfunny at best.
@@Ryo_Hakuron Most of the people I have spoken with haven't had a problem with it. The few I have seen had a problem with the fact that P5 didn't change shogi to chess.
You dont speak for everyone. Every did not find it funny. Speak for YOURSELF only. 🙄
@@409gmoney All I'm saying is that I haven't seen anyone who was actually insulted by a joke. So let me give you a situation if someone were to make a joke about some who sounds like you would you feel insulted, if your answer is no then you need to rethink this.
The real monsters are all these reset rea people who don't even play the games they want to change. I just got Persona back in my life. Now I am scared that I won't be seeing it again due to the next release being a target for even more censorship. If you give these freaks an inch they want the whole mile.
yep all down hill form here .
@@PepperKatLancer No it is not.
Its unlikely the next release will be target for even more censorship.
@@TheVampireFishQueen your first time? look at Mortal Kombat I will give that at least to two more games till it gets censored and rediclouse to the point its a parody with in its self. If they start they wont stop. at first its what harm can it do till there changing entire levels cause too offensive.
@@TheVampireFishQueen look at mortal kombat 9 and look at mortal kombat 11
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Honestly I like the royal version better. It's way more funny to think of ryuji in a dress looking like a chick than him getting sexually harrassed and joker leaving him to maybe get raped. The first dungeon of the game is to stop a guy who's sexually harassed one of your party members and raped someone that your party member most cared about. But now it's it's happening to a guy it's totally fine and should be made as joke to me that's ridiculous and I don't understand why they would put that double standard in game. I don't agree why they changed it because apparently it was offensive to gay people, which is ridiculous but this seen should had been changed and at least in my opinion works better.
That might work better if 1. they still weren't forcing him into things against his will, 2. if the girls didn't beat the crap out of Ryuji for not being dead, and 3. if Ann's persona wasn't a female version of Kamoshida. Seriously, look at that thing - it has men on leashes and has the same vibes as Kamoshida's views on the girls on the volleyball team. So basically the game already had really gross double standards unfortunately, but this one joke scene isn't the worst of it. I'd say the other two are way worse.
@@aardwolf6668 point 1 I would rather be dressed as a girl then be raped and people treat it as a joke. 2 the game actually addresses that with all of girls feeling super bad about doing that to ryuji and saying how they should apologize and make it up to him. 3 what the hell are you talking about Carmen and kamoshida are nothing alike. One is a rapist while the other plays uses her female charm to steal from rich assholes. Even by her lore in they say "Carmen is generally depicted as a classic femme fatale who would take advantage of her beauty and charm to make men fall for her, but quickly break the relationship once she is bored of her wooer, and then she looks for her next victim." That doesn't sound like a rapist at all. But if you really want to focus on lore of personas let's not forget you have futaba's necronomicon you know the book of darkness and joker and every protagonist can summon Satan.
Like or dislike the changes, the reason for the changes are unforgivable, I wont be buying for these reasons short of a mod to undo the changes
I still want the game, but this stupid censorship has killed my hype, I'll try to get it used in some time, so i can play it but technically I'm not giving money to the company
@@stefanpedersen7006 But according to what they said, that would still be giving money to the company.
@@stefanpedersen7006 I already have it
I agree. It just seems like the original but with just a few new things. Better to get this at discount then full price.
They literally just changed two homophobic scenes to be slightly less homophobic, you'll be fine
@@jonnysac77 Usage of far-left buzzwords invalidates any point.
As weird as these changes are, they make me wonder how the localization will be in other countries.
It almost seems like they changed those two characters personality out of spite but in all honesty I don't know. But I do know one thing: I'm getting sick and tired of creators having to change their stories just to appease a group of people who get get butthurt on behalf of others that never asked them to. If it truly did upset certain people to the point where they feel like they have to harass or threaten Developers and act like you speak on behalf of the entire base then this game was never for you to begin with and you should move on to something else.
the "gotten away with it line" is honestly fucking stupid. they didn't get away with it people saw it and complained which prompted them to change it. So should I never comment on how stupid I find a games scene because it might get changed? yeah im sure that's how we're sure to get better writing.
Absurd changes. If it’s homophobic to have an aggressive gay dude hitting on someone, it’s also wrong to have an aggressive straight man hitting on someone.
But neither are wrong, obviously. Guys (whether gay or straight) get aggressive. It happens. It’s part of our DNA. I’m straight and have been hit on many times by gay dudes, IRL. Who cares?
There’s nothing immoral about that scene; it’s actually pretty hilarious since Ryuji is such a try-hard alpha who constantly tries to exude machismo.
Reminder: this is FICTION! These are not allegations about real people. If anyone is making generalizations, it’s the SJWs who believe that these fictional extras in a video game somehow represent all homosexuals. Imagine if southern people got offended every time someone wrote a villain with a southern accent. Imagine if Germans got pissed off for every German villain. It’s absurd!
SJWs are ruining art.
They seem like pretty minor changes, and I mean these are the only gay characters in the game (other than lala) so it kinda feels like it's targeted. Not to mention that portraying gay men as predators is quite the common trope. I'm not necessarily offended by it but I do feel really uncomfortable every time I see this scene
They’re the only gay characters in the game though. Representation matters. Not for homophobes but for underrepresented people.
@@viki7268 I disagree that representation matters. This is a character in a game, not a representative to the United Nations. Let art be free.
@@bluesdealer You say that because you (probably) feel extremely represented in media as a heterosexual man. There's white cis man nerd heroes, buff heroes... lawyers, detectives, cops, scientists, hell take your pick of which one you'd like to be. Were you gay, you'd be probably be frustrated to yet again see a gay character included only as a predator and/or a joke. Gay/trans actors would like to be given a chance to play the roles they have personal experience in, instead of joke/insulting characters.
You'd be surprised if you have more friends outside your cohort. Black dolls used to cost twice or more that white dolls because they were so rare and not enough production to fulfill demand until Black barbies came along.
Fun fact #1: Alpha males is a debunked concept retracted by the very scientist that initially proposed it.
Fun fact #2: SJWs run the arts, that's one of the bigger motivations for someone to work on a low-paying, passion-driven industry. You'll find few right-wing movie makers, actors, writers, painters etc I'm afraid.
Imagine getting this upset over a stupid throwaway scene.
I physically cringed when he said "a pair of LGBT characters".
Also "controversy among some players" nobody who complained about this were really fans of the series.
Teddington most of them were bigger fans of the series than you, they played games other than Persona 3 4 and 5
Lord Blue Balls EX I’ve played all Persona games from P3P to P5, so I guess I’m a big fan
Why?
Korax because homophobia
The big issue I have is that the characters come off as fucking predatory. Not some of the worst I’ve seen, but threatening someone to strip that is under the age of 18 from people who are clearly adults is predatory and plays into stereotypes of LGBT+ people being p*dophilic. Inb4 someone commenting on Japanese age of consent laws. The censorship to me is at least an attempt to try to be aware of the issue, but idk if it’s gonna stick with the Japanese writers to be more aware of how their writing impacts people. Doxxing is never OK and if anything it could have the opposite effect, pushing people further towards harmful ideas of LGBT+ people. It’s a complicated mess that could have been avoided if the original script had made these characters less predatory and in a more natural way. They really seemed to come out of nowhere.
I know you've made this comment years ago, but still wanted to point out that most Westerners seriously misunderstand consent laws in Japan by forgetting about the equally, if not more important Child Wellfare Act, which states minors can only consent *within their own age group* (some prefectures going so far as making it an *exact age* thing where even your 17-year-old classmate will be arrested for dating 16-year-old you, and yes, such things did and do happen).
But yeah, adding not just two predatory queer characters, but even more specifically two predatory trans characters was an extremely disgusting move on their part.
Really it's only the more predatory part that I see as fucky, since it's a very inaccurate based on propaganda stereotype rather than just the minority but sizeable stereotype of effeminatity and I only dislike straight up inaccurate rather than exaggerated stereotypes, and just removing them trying to strip Ryujji is more the better action for JP since just appreciating Ryujji more built body is not too creepy to get annoyed over and turning them just into cross-dressers seems less tolerant actually, of removing their gender identity... Is this really a Resetera change since it seems too Conservative for them with a more honest direct natural translation fitting better?
4:42 I'm not sure if he mentions it in the video, but im pretty sure "fairy" was an old slur used against the lgbt community (particularly gay men and MtF) so, considering how the two men are "cross-dressing" in the new translation, the English translation may have removed it so people don't get the wrong idea.
Noneyo Business No one cares that deeply, if they got offended by a term only older people irl would call them then they need to grow some thick skin I’m sure they’ve heard worse
I agree, but there’s still the chance someone sensitive might blow it out of proportion and subsequently damage sales
I don’t know how no one else noticed this slur, it’s common in the UK
Thankfully theses scenes don't bother me that much
THe game warns you twice. first with that little letter on the corner of the box before y ou buy the game. second with a disclaimer yo u are required to agree to before the game even lets you play it.
"Controversial"
What a load of rubbish.
This is why I refuse to buy it.
Between greed and censorship I don't even play new games anymore.
Also refuse to buy anything on a Sony platform.
Finally someone who focuses on both greed and censorship. Not saying "only censorship is the problem. I don't care about being charged up the ass for the ability to change my hair color or have to buy 25 different things for practically 17 other people....just to get that 1 thing for my character. Don't like it? Then don't buy it."
Me: Well if a game is censoring something "don't buy it", don't give your money to somebody who's not going to respect you. Buy a PC and mod it back in. Can't afford a PC? "Don't like that option? Then don't buy and/or play the game at all." It's not going to be "one way and not the other", we're not playing that game. At least you have another options with censorship. I can't get what I want for free because it should be free if it's a PvP online only game, the game is known for banning people who mod the game, or it's impossible to mod the game. *Cough* Rockstar *cough* Call of Duty *cough* Sword Art Online: Fatal Bullet *cough*. I can't isolate what I want so I can buy it. Dark age of CoD, Dead or Alive 6 a year ago, ect.
@Zombie Hunter Your grammar is the only weakness here.
Dont let it get to you. It's such an irrelevant piece if change. The game could honestly be something you can enjoy.
@@CereDulce37 Much like how you enjoyed having to date Ling Ling after your white ex got a Queen of Spades tattoo, right?
You should buy the game its great also its a 3 min sence in a 100 hour game.
12:00 Wait, THAT'S their point? "Author getting away with it"?! Not, bloody "censoring and altering the fucking ART"?! Well, i guess that says a ton about how western industry perceives games - not as an art form, but as a commodity that needs to be altered so it will be more palatable to baka gaijins and as a result sells better in the US...
hard to call something as mind numbingly pandering as Persona art.
Changing 2-3 minutes of pointless dialogue won't make Joker end up with a guy, ResetEra.
Got the European version 4 day earlier . Try to find out if that was changed here too . And if its changed in other languages too .Deepsilver is the publisher in Europe by the way .
Can confirm it is . Even in German text Ryuji Sakamoto gets labeled a potential Drag !
this is just slightly irritating, was anything actually important changed? how about the over all localization? i liked the original, but i am concerned about the over all quality since people were trying to bring atlus down last time to cover for actual bad localizations (god damn tree house)
@@comyuse9103 Only the new content got additional localization . Changed was the "offensive "content . If you understand a bit of Japanese your are better off to switch on the original voices and listen to what the characters say . So you can discern if there is a difference between written and spoken dialogue .
its still deep silver?
@@lrb1983 Sorry to hear that. If nothing else, maybe there's fan translations for the previous games? I swear to god I remember a Persona PSP translation of sorts. No idea what the language was, but I'm sure it exists.
No mention of how the twin warden lolis are much more calmer now.
Whaaaaat fr? Damn, wtf
Like are their lines changed or do they act like that in the new scenes?
@@DVo-fe8ew maybe new scenes idk
@@CereDulce37 yea most likely it is, but if some lines were changed from the original, then hell nah
Really? I haven’t noticed anything change about them. As far as I’m aware, the dialogue is the exact same
There is now a mod for the pc version that restores the text from the original version. Got to love the power of pc gaming undoing this idiotic censorship.
Most people aren't going to the trouble just for two throwaway scenes.
@@virusanity4168 true but if you regularly use mods its not that hard to throw in one extra
Because of this I’m not going to pick this game up till it drops to at least half price :/
You should get this game its great.
Same bro at most I’ll watch the anime
So they tried to fix it. By making it worst. Just let scenes be how they were written. Its okay to offend people. Its not the same as HARMING people. Its merely differing views.
If people take offense to people not conforming to their views. Then they can't function in normal society.
It is super ironic having people saying "born this way" and how certain lifestyles are natural then telling other people they are wrong and need to change.
Truly the greatest of hypocrisies I've ever seen. We won't change you have to.
In other words it’s a game I can safely pass over cause they censored it.
they removed "sexual predatory" lines... wtf is wrong with you?
@@AlexStraza He wrote that comment 4 minutes after the video came out.... It's 13 minutes long.
Derek Hale Then keep those lines in so people can form accurate opinions about the devs’ artistic choices and respond accordingly.
Censored two tiny scenes in a 100hr+ game that terribly depicts two stereotyped characters
@@Shadowtron1221 This is like weeks old news.
Everyone that complained about being "stereotyped" in those scenes are more than likely MHA shippers.
Lmao
It’s M rated for a reason so if they are mature enough to play Persona 5 what’s the point of censoring cutscenes.
i feel pity that the localization team or developers have to change some dialog because there are some people who would make it a controversy even though it's just a joke.
Except it was stated that the localization team on the original P5 felt discomfort sticking close to the Japanese version so the new manager allowed them to change it in an attempt to "correct" what was wrong.
Ahh yes p*dos are very funny
So they changed it from two effeminate men dragging ryuji off cause they're gay to them dragging him off cause they're drag queen designers? I don't know I'd bet resetera will still call it homophobic or at worst transphobic cause you still have these two men taking ryuji off to do something he do he doesn't want to do. Well in any case from what I've seen aside from this (with exceptions being kasumi or maruki) p5r doesn't look any different from the original and as such I'll wait for a discount. Can't be giving atlus full price retail on a pre packaged product with small (yet pointless) changes since resetera may still call these scenes transphobic am I right?
Going by the resetera takes Twitter, they are complaining about the censored dialogue being even worse than the original and are demanding atlus change it. Hell, the people commenting on the post were saying stuff like "this was atlus giving the middle finger to resetera". While I hate censorship, it's slightly better here than what happened in Catherine full body where they didn't even bother to change Erica's line to fit with Vincent's new line.
@@TheDarkAngel969 was it about that wrestling dialogue between Vincent and Erica?
@@DVo-fe8ew it was that dialogue where Erica's line was basically "the way to a woman's heart" and Vincent's old line taking a joking jab by saying "that would mean more if a woman was telling me that". It was changed to just "aw come on" but Erica's line was still "sounds like someone wants to pick up the tab"
Then I think in Catherine's new ending where she goes back in time to Vincent's highschool days to be Vincent's girlfriend before Katherine could, and Eric(a) was changed there too, and in the game credits
It's a shame that they decided to go with this approach on the matter, here's hoping they make different decisions in the future
I don't agree with them censoring it. I always saw those two scenes as lighthearted jokes, just humor, not trying to be offensive. But then again I'm not part of the group being represented, so while I still think it shouldn't be taken as offensive even by actual LGBT people (because I suspect the people making noise about those scenes weren't even LGBT to begin with) I respect someone else's opinion of it being offensive. On the plus side though, I don't think the new dialog ruins anything to be honest. It doesn't "sound off" or anything like in other localizations. It's more of an issue of altering the original content.
I hear Life Will Change again.
@ 3:29 the Japanese reads, "Kawaisou na me de min na! Nakama no pinchi dazo, Oi! (lit. "Don't you see with your pathetic eyes! Your friend is in a pinch, Hey!) Which is about what you see in the English translation. It's idiomatic in its phrasing, so the English side is more or less correct.
I feel like the scenes are now worst than than before. Get ready for reset area to attack
They already did but they can’t reedit it
3:45
Ngl, THE ENGLISH VERSION MADE IT WORSE!!!
Are these changes present in all subtitles or are they only in the English ones?
As a German, I would like to know that too.
Our localizations are usually very faithful to the japanese sources.
@@Rajin90 Ha! As if we get a german translation.
As always they just give us the englisch version and say "job well done".
@@J.Crime123 It will include all the main EU languages.
But knowing how lazy Atlus is, they can just translate it again from English, because it's cheaper.
@@lemonov3031 Oh so they finally did at least the bare minimum and added other languages to it. But yeah they probably just translate the english text.
Other studio but the same happened to the Final Fantasy 15 translation. Just translated the english text into german instead of doing any work from the original japanese script.
Being PC or enforcing morals has nothing to do with it. Bottom line its money. Every company is frightened of the black mark accusations can have on sales. They're simply taking the path of least resistance and highest monetary gain.
I bet good money that the people thinking THIS censorship is okay overlooked on how the localization portray the two dudes. They made drag queens creeps for forcing a minor to getting into drag.
Big yikes.
I don't plan on buying P5 Royal, I'll just wait patiently for SMTV.
Aren’t most Drag Queens these days seen as creeps my many common sense people?
This controversy is so dumb... it's not even that big of a deal.
@Dlon Alokin True, but I don't think it's cool for people to not buy the game because of a small scene change.
@Dlon Alokin I understand your point and I respect that you don't support censorship in any form, but I feel as though the outrage on both sides are taking this to the extreme. The scene itself was inoffensive so people really shouldn't have whined about it. On the other hand, people shouldn't go out of their way to completely dismiss Royal simply for the fact that they changed one minor scene.
@Dlon Alokin That's fair.
@Dlon Alokin All the best to you too.
I'll stick with the OG or import it....censored games are not for me
I don't quite think the new Translation sounds more Natural besides that from what I get now is that the English Translation depicted the Characters even worst than there Japanese Counterparts
So that was offensive and they listened. So now theyll demand they change the art style, the combat system, remove demons or offensive material next. Yeah these people will never stop making demands or demand money in order to not interfere
Yeah, they'll start making those demands and you know what'll happen? Nothing. Asking to change a scene so that some LGBT characters aren't portrayed in a negative light is one thing where the devs may feel guilty if they don't bend the knee but changing the entire foundation and idea of the series is something else. Does anyone actually think Atlus are THAT spineless?
@@Koko-cy4ff Yes, ATLUS West clearly is. It's happened to countless other companies and not just video game ones at that.
The biggest travesty here is that Dr. Takemi has a new VA.....
Not to mention lackluster bonuses if you have a Persona 5 (OG) save file on your PS4.
So the PC crowd are still crying. They will always find something to complain about
Atlus missed why people hated these scenes. The issue with the first scene was you had no choice but to abandon Ryuji. As for both of the scenes people disliked them because aside from possibly Lala these two were the only gay representation. Atlus failed to address either issue
at least in the english ver, at one point lala called herself a little girl when she was younger
if she's not just part of shinjuku's crossdressing culture, then she's probably trans
@@zaqareemalcolm well that's good to hear
And yet nobody has an issue with letting the girls beat up Ryuji and then everyone just leaving him unconscious in the street...but god forbid a joke with gay guys is included. Also, gay people don't need to be in EVERYTHING. We make up, like, 4% of the population. Yeesh.
@Family Guy Thank you. ^^
I just get mad, that the reason to complain of this scene is about homophobic reasons. But nobody talks about the sexual harassment to a minor guy. I’m gay and I don’t see it right, that those both men molest Ryuji, that’s totally a NO-GO!!!!
Picking it up on sale. P5R should have been a DLC. It's not very different from the original. The only major changes are a new Dungeon and new town. New Persona's, 3rd tier Persona's, balance changes so certain things aren't exploited. Boss fights kinda look like hit or miss changes, some look too easy, some look like a was this even necessary. Don't really care about showtimes as they are just cinematic attacks which sacrifice a turn and can deal lower dmg than you wanted. 3rd tier Persona's and new party member are way too late game. New party member doesn't join until the final dungeon. I do like that Akechi actually gets a confidant that you rank up. To me these changes only justify a $30 purchase not $60.
What's that, AtlusUSA? You don't want my money?
Okay. I'll keep it thanks.
"Big sis with facial hair" I can't say that with a serious expression.
I don't think you're suposed to lol
I can’t wait to see your resident evil 3 compare between American and Japanese
This is making me wanna learn Japanese for p6
If it’s even in development, that is.
I mean I dunno I know we aren’t on the front page of many gaming streams, but me and a lotta other gay folks I know are actually pretty happy with this. Like I ain’t gonna lie as a gay guy who hasn’t come out? This scene in high school really fucked with my head. Plus it’s only a few lines, I’m sure y’all can live with one or two missing bits of homophobia.
Is the asian version unchanged?
Yes.
Did you not watch the video
@@Koko-cy4ff I think he meant non-Japanese Asian.
Like a South Korea copy, etc.
But I honestly have no idea, tbh.
Its unchanged but there is no eng subs
@@RektemJem there is english subs in the Asian release
Not the japanese release however