Building Stubborn Deltoids with Doug Brignole
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RIP to both two legends will be surely missed
Love these pair. So said that they are both no more.
Really miss them
I miss both you guys so much!
"I peed right in the middle of the fucking road."
-Ric Drasin
Classic Drasin comment. Very funny guy.
best results of my life injuries all gone Doug's book is outstanding nothing like it .cant recommend it enough.
Rob Barker Totally agree. Just got the book - and can't put it down !
it's not out yet??
Brignole is right. I started doing his cable exercises for delts and chest about 4 months ago. I do very few sets as the delt is a small muscle and so many other things you do kind of hit. But if you do brief HARD sets of cables as Brignole is talking about, your delt muscles will never be so sore. They grown, believe me. Brignole is RIGHT!!
Anthony Johnson I bet you're a pencil neck too hahaha
Outdoor Layne I’ve published my training on my channel I’m not really tracking with what you are saying but this Brignole Guy is 100% wrong with the things he is saying
Outdoor Layne no I haven’t I’m not even remotely interested. Saying things like science has proven that volume is what causes muscle growth and the pullover is not a good exercise for that lat muscles is so stupid it immediately discredits the guy to me has he ever heard of Dorian Yates? Mike Mentzer or Casey Viator? How about Arthur Jones? Arthur Jones was a legitimate genius and this guy acts like he knows more than he did..... read Arthur Jones man the nautilus bulletins were brilliant the greatest writing on training ever written. If someone gets results from whatever this guy puts out there I’m happy for them but it pisses me off when people spread lies and I’ve heard a lot of them come out of his mouth
Outdoor Layne I’m not saying you can’t get results from volume training of course you can but to say that’s what causes muscle growth is straight up false. I’ve listened to a lot of what this guy preaches and it’s BS
Outdoor Layne also good for him on his competitive success into his fifties that is impressive but I still disagree with his opinions
Nice description of why external rotator cuff is straining during a press movement. I think rear delt cable crossovers are a great exercise to put a balance to shoulder development. I like Dougs speaking based on actual factual physics.
RIC, I bought Doug's book about two months. It is worth the money for the Delts chapter alone. I, no longer have pain when. working them.
Eugene Arceneaux Can you link me? Thanks
*link to the book
Listening to Doug and reading his book has changed everything for me. I have read through it multiple times and still reference it prior to training a particular body part when I can't remember exactly what to do and/or why I'm doing it. Simply put...buy Doug's book!
David Speakman Well said. I couldn't agree more. His book is a game-changer. 👍
Ric, I know you are not here now but if you can see this somehow..... I'm really going to miss you and Doug Together. Such great chemistry and enjoyable. RIP
Same Here Miss Ric Big Time
@R Z He could never replace Ric, as you see he hasn’t and no one will, but he has a lot of information he knows what he’s talking about he may be narcissistic but Ric liked him so he mustn’t be that bad, God I miss Ric he was the one the only. Imagine he was Arnold’s first training partner and Arnold would not go on the show when I was getting paid Arnold is a real arrogant narcissist.
@R Z wow why do you hate him so much. I find biomechanics very interesting. Ric did not always agree with him but I find he was okay.
@R Z Ric would often not agree with him Ric was no yes man many times he would say you may think that exercise is wrong but I feel it and I’m gonna keep on doing it.But biomechanics is a fact in many exercises just like him saying press behind neck is the worst exercise ever which he was right and if you’ve been training many years you know it’s true I’m old-school training 60 years oldDid in my whole life stop doing them years ago and my shoulders are getting a little better like Ric would say he would ask people in the gym or your Shoulders sore and most people would say yes how did Presse behind neck wish I never did that exercise,But everybody was doing them back in the 70s when I started training. When you’re your own person you listen and you take away what’s good and what you don’t like you don’t listen.
Doug is definitely my favourite and he has saved my shoulders from OHP's. my shoulders were achey and my right one sounded like a ratchet. Slowly getting better!
The original neckzilla was '83 America/Universe winner JEFF KING. Tip: When training neck, do not hyperextend. Only go from midpoint forward.
Keep up the great videos Ric. Doug is a wealth of knowledge.
Got Doug Brignole's book. Worth its weight in gold. I'm not an aspiring bodybuilder or athlete, just want to look good naked without injuries. Btw look at Doug, he competed at 57 and won awards, many of the strength coaches who recommend strength exercises look like bloated road kill. Rippetoe being the main example.
Buy the book, use it, reap rewards. Don't follow the masses, be open minded and realize this guy knows his shit.
XTheSpartanX7 Same. So glad I got the book - couldn't put it down. Just makes so much sense. All the best with your training.
Glad to see Doug back. Always informative. Speaking of neck training, Jeff King the original neck zilla.
I purchased Doug's book a few months ago and it is brilliant!! I was so impressed that I sent him a second payment of $50 and can honestly saw that I still feel like it was a steal! I am a 60 years old man and it has totally changed my training and made it much more productive and some nagging injuries I was having to train around due to poor exercise selection, have completely healed. It is very well written and after the 9th or 10th time reading it I still find it to be the absolute best investment I have ever made in my fitness journey! It explains the function of every single physique muscle and offers the best exercise for each! A total game changer! BUY THIS BOOK! You will not be disappointed regardless of your age or level of experience! Thanks Doug and Ric! Keep up the great work!
where did you buy it?
Both of these two legends are gone! They will be missed!
Rip to both.
We all miss you Mr. Drasin!
Love both these guys. Although they differ in training philosophies at times, they are both so knowledgeable and informative. Mind boggling to think of how many years of experience they each have in the worlds of trainings and nutrition! Thank you Doug and Ric for sharing with us! You guys are my two favorite experts on these subjects.
I have learned so much from Doug Brignole helped me improve my training after surgery from shit training. thanks guys
Great to hear about the science of bodybuilding. Thanks for having Doug.
Thank you Ric for having Doug on your show so often. I'm former athlete, now in mid-40s and thanks to his generous advice am able to lift intensely once again. Rather than sore joints and injuries I get incredible pumps and maybe sore actual muscles. I have begun training w my 16 yr old son using Doug's book on day one. Whereas my friends and I in the late 1980s were doing tons of weighted dips and 135 lb behind the neck presses...Ouch!
Ric, thanks for having Doug back on the show. I have his book and it is the best book I have read on weight training.
Dave Selig Totally agree. The book is phenomenal.
Doug and Ric are the best!. Please make a physical version of the book, i know everyone one must say this but i will be sure to buy it when it comes out!.
Thanks Ric for having Doug on. I just love listening to his logic. He is the best trainer ever and the USA are so lucky having him.
I am 39 and I was breaking down, naturally I found myself doing Doug’s techniques. I recently found his videos and it reaffirms to me most exercises people love, do serious damage overtime to cartilage and ligaments. No pressing overhead, or dead lifts, or squats. The techniques work so well others will follow when they see the results. I am buying his book for sure.
Great Vid Guys...please keep em coming !
this is sooooo true!! when I hurt my delts and was forced to do more lateralls instead of presses my delts grew like crazy!
I remember Serge Nubret saying that lateral raises are a trap exercise unless you go above perpendicular and take the weight completely overheard. He also did a lot of lying side laterals.
Doug is the best. Always learn something new from this guy, keep it up Ric
Great video, and nice back and forth. I learned a lot from this video so thank you to both of you. Still holding out for the printed copy, but the book will still be worth it for the lying hamstring bit and the deltoids aspects alone. Can't wait for June!
Do more vids with this guy his a genius
Go Ric !!! We love you in the UK....!!!
Doug is great.love these episodes with Doug and his knowledge.thanks Ric
Never done this exercise, but can't wait to try it!
Y’all are awesome. Keep it coming!
This was the golden age of youtube.
Wow!! eye opener. Thank you for this
Doug is such a nice guy. Worked out with him several times at Bill Pearl's Gym in 1979-1980.
Nice video.. i love this video's with Doug and since i train like he said i have no shoulderpain and much more grow...Greetzzz from the Netherlands
Ric as always very educational video. It would be great if you could take footage inside the gym demonstrating some of these movements.
Good to see you up and healthy ric ! Greeting from va :)
Fantastic Ric!
Great information !!! thank you guys.
Good advice!
I noticed when i first started working out and started doing standing side laterals my traps actually seemed to grow. also look at dana linn bailey and she does side laterals with dumbells like crazy and has crazy traps. gonna start incorporating the cables for delts now
Always a pleasure to watch
Spending the afternoon watching this legend 🙏
When Doug’s book is in print I will be buying it for sure.
Doug is awesome, buying his book for sure!
for sore!
Great stuff!
Finally! Someone else realizes that front laterals target side DELTS when knuckles are up. Still miss Rick!!
Vince Gironda's upright row (the safe way)
Please have doug make a PDF or a video of the best exercises for deltoids. Thanks for the great tips. I will be trying it for my delts.
nice one .. love the Doug clips
God bless ric and Doug
Ric, you're a genius.
I enjoy when Doug Brignole is on the show. He make good logical sense. As an masters competitor I am finding as most guys who have trained for years it's more about form and doing things correct and safe now. I had the opportunity to train a few times years ago at Doug's gym. He was and still is a great Ambassador for the sport. Coming myself from a father who competed and holding many top titles during the Golden Age of bodybuilding its great that there is a site and show that brings the past into the present. THANKS Ric for what you do to share all the great years and support the sport of bodybuilding.
Excellent! You guys are "great"!
Wow ..wish i'd of heard this years ago...i thought i knew a lot about training...just learned something new/
very smart , amazing knolledge. I love a big neck always ,hate gyms they don't have NECK machines
Α nice topic for Doug to tacle would also be bent over curls (concentrations ,spiders etc) vs upright curls (standing curls) vs incline curls
Bought the book. Glad I did.
Love hearing the truth from you guys with the experience, it's very helpful. Will you have Jerry Brainum on again?
Presses are great for Strength and keep doing them people.
Doug is the best!!
couldn't agree more ! changed my approach to working out. I use your high reps to low reps and have gained size and strength. can press 110 lbs dumbbells for a set of 5. @ 57 yrs old.
Freaking brilliant
doug n Ric God Bless
After over 20 years of training I've just got a good tip to improve my rear delts
Rick is also right about developing your neck. People think of biceps as a " show " muscle. Well, so are the muscles of your neck and jawline.
I miss Doug. I never met u Brother. But I love u!
So you could do "dumbbell or barbell front raises" with palms down as a move for the side delts ? If you have problems doing normal side raises
I agree with Doug. The older we get the flaws in our movements catch up and we have to lift more thoughtfully.
Extra funny in this one ric
Well Piana shows this exact movement in his "My 2 cents" video.
The best neck workout was the Nautilus 4 way Neck Machine!
I would like to see Doug debating Mark Rippetoe :D
Mark Rippetoe teaches a lot of these biomechanics in his books. Levers, neutral levers, moment arms, etc...
Funny guy this Ric :)
Is Doug the skinny little guy with the awesome abs in the back of Muscle Mag International back in the day?
Lol when you take juice, your delts are the first thing to grow. That’s why.
Thanks Ric! Doug I do have a question. I think in a video you said that stretching between sets wouldn't change the outcome but what about Ben Pakulski's 'CEP' which is basically stretching the trained muscle by contracting the opposite muscle. I've never tried it but I do wonder if it actually is beneficial.
this dudes wicked
Doug is very wise 😄 but where can i find his book, The Physics og fitness?
Fighter pilots have some of the biggest necks I've seen. I come from an Air Force family, most of my male relatives were fighter pilots. I've seen fist hand how large their necks would grow from all the G- forces.
Unfortunately I severely broke my back shortly before joining, and wasn't able to serve.
Best regards from Germany! Will you visit Fibo ?
Many years ago, Bob Gajda invented a machine that I now believe might be to serve the purpose Doug is talking about, resistance perpendicular to the working limb at a variety of movements. It was a commercial failure, and is nowhere to be found these days. Anyone heard of this?
What if the cables are not available, are there any alternative or substitute to train this deltoids?
Ric, Have you tried organic apple cider vinegar for your arthritis? I have heard from people it works wonders.
Hi, interesting talk. So if you perform side delts on the cable machine, the resistance curve should become a constant due to the nature of the pulley. Do you suggest adding more weight, but not going up all the way in order to grow the side delts via cable laterals? Also, what difference does it make if the attachment is set at the bottom or right where your hand falls, since the cable provides constant tension and is usually on a swivel?
Cheers! Looking forward to your answers.
Mr. Wizard
Mr. Wizard: I don't know exactly how to answer this (and I know you weren't asking me) but I'll try. If you set the pulley at wrist height, when you initiate the movement, the resistance is at its absolute greatest because the lever (your arm) is perpendicular to resistance. As you raise your arm, the resistance naturally decreases as you begin to move your arm more toward being parallel to resistance. In this case, with a pulley, resistance never becomes "0", but it does decrease as you raise your arm.
13:13 "the origin of the rear deltoid is on the" scapula not the clavicle. Mr. Brignole knows this, but he misspoke.
delt's for me don't need that much time or exercises... seems the harder i hit them ends up making joints hurt and delts shrink...there's a sweet spot on training that produces best results for everyone...you just have to find it.
14:00-17:10 Great information on neck training for growth. I hope Doug is wrong and Ric is right in that 3min. discussion.
Doug And Rick the best you should be hosting together , give as something new please !
excellent video love the book Doug. I realize you're still at training is very scientific Arthur Jones and Vince gironda advocated pulleys and angle of work the muscle. when it comes to the neck scientific peer review studies of Sean all you have to do is front and back. what word doesn't understand is that doing the neck exercise on a machine would be safer not yet you can't do it with a harness. but if you want to have time under load and keep increasing the weight you have to have some kind of stable platform. old school strongman and wrestlers used to do neck Bridges. the only problem with this is that if you don't have a basic strength of ready you can severely hurt your neck vertebrae.
Ric, try and get Lance Dreher on the show, would be great to see what he is up to these days - another 80s icon.
So much confusion comes from people thinking that just because someone got good shape, their routine/approach is correct for them. There are guys in shape that don't know how to train, and guys that train perfectly but don't progress nearly as far.
What about doing OHPs with dbs on a 75 degree bench and keeping your elbows where you can see them?
For a lot of exercises Doug recommends, you really need to have a Freemotion machine for adjustable cable height.
Not all gyms have them, and hardly anyone has one when training at home
How do I get this guys book now? In the UK
Amazon!
Bring back John Heart!
Can’t believe you brought up Dan D.
What happened to that Muscle media 2000 guru? Is he dead? He disappeared 🤔