“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.” Carl Sandburg
That's what you get when you think court rulings are supposed to massage political desperation. Courts work with facts and law, not feelings and political expediency expectations. You succeed if you take matters with unstable meritocracy to courts, facts, and laws are considered not emotions and feelings of political expediency and perceptions that have no sustainable legal legitimacy
@chiefer1325 She even sent Phala Phala questions pre-maturely while the process of sifting Fraser's evidence is not yet followed through as per rules regulating the work of PPSA. Acting PP Gcaleka had to ask new sets of questions to comply with requirement governing that office when kick starting investigation. The question is why did Mkwebane rush to sent the questions pre-maturely while there's a process to be followed to do?
How so? When it decides against you its wrong. That is their job to study the behaviour and ally the rules. She was useless, wasted money, challenged the wrong things and did Zumas bidding.
Dali Mpofu takes another L but keeps making that money. A unanimous judgement penned by none other than Maya DCJ who they ferociously campaigned for. Prior to the Concourt case the Western Cape High Court Full bench said advocate Dali Mpofu SC's arguments on behalf of Mkhwebane "misstates the law and is a gross mischaracterisation of the reasons underpinning the court's finding in this regard". His arguments were 'Long on sophistry, short on legal authority':
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣what a joke of a judiciary under ramadollar..anyways this a broken system. State President appoint JSC judge then the Judge rules on a case of president vs mkhwebane 🤣🤣life is nice hey ..
@@lgceba6458 Flip-floppers. They were the first through Mbuyiseni Ndlozi to say Mkwebane lacks legal wisdom to hold that position. Just for them to become the number one defender of the same person later
Mzansi we are finished! EFF should win with the majority to beat this Ramaphosa and DA coalition, coz it will continue should things happen otherwise! This is a Stellenbosch coalition!
Theres no coalition with the DA... ANC will win the elections come 2024.... ANC is not Ramaphosa, he was just elected to lead as the President & when his term comes to an end, another person will take over... It's unfortunate that you have decided to allow your hate & obsession to cloud your judgement...
I watched Netanyahu on Lex Fridman podcast and I must say at some point there has to be judicial overhaul in South Africa to depoliticize and save it from becoming an incoherent dictatorship pulĺing all directions.
We have a constitutional democracy. The constitution sets the rules and principles and the courts follow this. The constitution is there to protect citizens from the Govt and to force them to abide by the C. Our people when they get voted in hate having rules. If you already consider the courts politicised then by removing the C, one can only imagine the effects.
Why are they Maya has to be the one who delivers that judgement, not Zondo, the aim is to muddied as one of the corrupt judges, and Zondo would be obvious, coz we know his position well towards Ramphosa!
These judges each take on cases as the abiding judge. They write the judgements according to the votes. If there are dissenting views they publish these.... The delivering judge is irrelevant, it was unanimous.
@picassocube3521 “The Constitution requires that a matter be heard by a quorum of at least eight judges. In ordinary practice, all 11 judges hear every case. If any judge is absent for a long period or a vacancy arises, an acting judge may be appointed.” “Once a case has been set down, the chief justice will ask a particular judge to do special preparation and possibly write the judgment. Usually cases will be spread out so that each judge writes from time to time. Once all parties have been heard, the judges meet to discuss the possible outcome of the case. Each judge sitting in a case must indicate his or her decision; the ruling is then determined by majority vote. The reasons are published in a written judgment. In this case. “In a unanimous judgment, penned by Maya DCJ, this Court held that there was a rational reason for the precautionary suspension of the Public Protector. In coming to that conclusion, this Court considered the Independent Panel report by Justice Nkabinde which found that there was prima facie evidence of incompetence on her part. This was also based on numerous judicial assertions where her capacity to hold office as a Public Protector was brought under scrutiny.”
It is high time that this matter be put to rest, costing the tax payers far too much money. Her full pay during suspension should be recovered!!!
Kak rest
The reporter is on point, good reporting there
So Ramaphosa is winning all cases😂😂😂😂
Judge's are getting paid by Cyril
“If the facts are against you, argue the law. If the law is against you, argue the facts. If the law and the facts are against you, pound the table and yell like hell.”
Carl Sandburg
Politics and law are not always in agreement...Law is complex than vindictive politics which rely on assumptions and non factual
I guess we all already knew who the court was going to favor.
😅😅😅😅Yes .. no surprises there 🤣🤣🤣
Yes because she is useless and incompetent.
That's what you get when you think court rulings are supposed to massage political desperation. Courts work with facts and law, not feelings and political expediency expectations. You succeed if you take matters with unstable meritocracy to courts, facts, and laws are considered not emotions and feelings of political expediency and perceptions that have no sustainable legal legitimacy
I knew that Mkhwebane had no strong case in law, so this came as no surprise
@chiefer1325
She even sent Phala Phala questions pre-maturely while the process of sifting Fraser's evidence is not yet followed through as per rules regulating the work of PPSA. Acting PP Gcaleka had to ask new sets of questions to comply with requirement governing that office when kick starting investigation. The question is why did Mkwebane rush to sent the questions pre-maturely while there's a process to be followed to do?
...our judicial system is a joke 😂😂😂
How so? When it decides against you its wrong. That is their job to study the behaviour and ally the rules.
She was useless, wasted money, challenged the wrong things and did Zumas bidding.
Depends on your sense of humour, or lack thereof. Court processes are not like soccer games. You either win or lose, no draw.
Your hate & obsession about Ramaphosa clouds your judgement. It'd be advisable that you read the entire judgement before coming to that conclusion...
Ramaphosa benefited coz action of clear😄
Dali Mpofu takes another L but keeps making that money.
A unanimous judgement penned by none other than Maya DCJ who they ferociously campaigned for.
Prior to the Concourt case the Western Cape High Court Full bench said advocate Dali Mpofu SC's arguments on behalf of Mkhwebane "misstates the law and is a gross mischaracterisation of the reasons underpinning the court's finding in this regard". His arguments were 'Long on sophistry, short on legal authority':
Remember justice maya is paving ways to be the next chief justice so she must do like kholeka caleka
But what do you expect from PP ?she been missing goal post always.
I hope they know that they have now broken the law. African child you on your own
Justice system is like a comedy movie😅
Court processes are not like soccer games. You either win or lose, no draw.
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣what a joke of a judiciary under ramadollar..anyways this a broken system. State President appoint JSC judge then the Judge rules on a case of president vs mkhwebane 🤣🤣life is nice hey ..
Newsroom Africa bring us the EFF and the Jacob Zuma foundation. They were crying about justice Mandisa Maya as their favorite
They'll now say she is captured... 😂😂😂
@@lgceba6458
Flip-floppers. They were the first through Mbuyiseni Ndlozi to say Mkwebane lacks legal wisdom to hold that position. Just for them to become the number one defender of the same person later
Cyril Ramaphosa is extremely protected or he just never does anything wrong🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Remember Animal farm.
🤣
Mzansi we are finished!
EFF should win with the majority to beat this Ramaphosa and DA coalition, coz it will continue should things happen otherwise! This is a Stellenbosch coalition!
If wishes were horses........
Theres no coalition with the DA... ANC will win the elections come 2024.... ANC is not Ramaphosa, he was just elected to lead as the President & when his term comes to an end, another person will take over... It's unfortunate that you have decided to allow your hate & obsession to cloud your judgement...
Kikiki it’s over
😢😢😢those judges yah neh
What did you expect 🥲
I watched Netanyahu on Lex Fridman podcast and I must say at some point there has to be judicial overhaul in South Africa to depoliticize and save it from becoming an incoherent dictatorship pulĺing all directions.
We have a constitutional democracy. The constitution sets the rules and principles and the courts follow this. The constitution is there to protect citizens from the Govt and to force them to abide by the C.
Our people when they get voted in hate having rules.
If you already consider the courts politicised then by removing the C, one can only imagine the effects.
This is South Africa where you have the psuedo intellectuals in positions of power, these kind care not for institutional integrity.
😊😊
🍌🍌🍌Republic
Tina Joematt was right. Ramaphosa will win everything in court. Will be interesting to see how they judge phala phala.
Jk
Why are they Maya has to be the one who delivers that judgement, not Zondo, the aim is to muddied as one of the corrupt judges, and Zondo would be obvious, coz we know his position well towards Ramphosa!
These judges each take on cases as the abiding judge. They write the judgements according to the votes. If there are dissenting views they publish these....
The delivering judge is irrelevant, it was unanimous.
@picassocube3521
“The Constitution requires that a matter be heard by a quorum of at least eight judges. In ordinary practice, all 11 judges hear every case. If any judge is absent for a long period or a vacancy arises, an acting judge may be appointed.”
“Once a case has been set down, the chief justice will ask a particular judge to do special preparation and possibly write the judgment. Usually cases will be spread out so that each judge writes from time to time. Once all parties have been heard, the judges meet to discuss the possible outcome of the case.
Each judge sitting in a case must indicate his or her decision; the ruling is then determined by majority vote. The reasons are published in a written judgment. In this case.
“In a unanimous judgment, penned by Maya DCJ, this Court held that there was a rational reason for the precautionary suspension of the Public Protector. In coming to that conclusion, this Court considered the Independent Panel report by Justice Nkabinde which found that there was prima facie evidence of incompetence on her part. This was also based on numerous judicial assertions where her capacity to hold office as a Public Protector was brought under scrutiny.”