Very encouraging to see Adv. Hoffman echoe the sentiments of Prof. Seepe. It means there is still hope for free and unbiased commentary in the mainstream media.
She is still a junior juror as Prof Seepe said. Or she did it deliberately, to place herself in an advantage to succeed in the position of PP. Even if Adv dismisses that, it may be true.
The big question is ..."where are the dollars now? Was the money recovered when ramaphosa abused his power and went gangster in Namibia. Where is the money.
I personally feel that Kholeka Gcaleka is inexperienced, incompetent and lacks accountability as well. She doesnt seem to be having interest of the people of South Africa at heart. Her intelligence is being undermined by her desire to become permanently appointed as a Public Protector, and that , makes her lose sight of quiet a number of issues patterning Phalaphala Farm Gate scandal. She is not OBJECTIVE. Who is she to counter act the FINDINGs as stated in the PHALAPHALA REPORT which its investigation was conducted by the Legal gurus such as abo baba uSandile Nqobo. Then she thinks she could just come and rubbish their hard work.?
This has nothing to do with her incompetence and inexperience. She simply has a mandate to destroy the Phala Phala matter so that the country no longer speaks about it. She is doing her job very well in that regard.
But Cathy is so dissappointed. Shame its that ENCA captured media training. Ziyanda Ngcobo is the only journalist. The narrow intepretation of her mandate Prof was a conscious decision on the part of the APP. Prof Seepe puts it elegantly when he says she failed to equip her thinking with the work that an independent panel of legal buffons had compiled as a way of supplementing her own conclusions..
People, the adhoc commitee in parliament has opened up the nominations for recruiting a new PP. Please let us have our say in this matter. We need a senior council for this position, this time. I was thinking about Adv Ngalwana SC. The man is a respected lawyer and, he enjoys a wealth of legal knowledge and experience. We need some one who is going to clean up that office. A person whom SOME of those stooges in that office will not undermine. A man that even judges and politicians will not intimidate. Adv. Ngalwana SC for me is that person whom our country needs so desperately to occupy that office
Adv Ngalwana will be associated with adv Sikhakhane, just as a ploy to attack him. And, indeed he can be a good candidate for that position. He is very invested and anchored in law, he also have experience as acting judge.
@@sikhumbuzolukashe4431 Ok, I hear you my fellow South African. But please man, Adv Ngalwana is an SC in his own right. He is not a lawyer of a lawyer. The man is ethical and humble as well. I don't think he would push himself forward out of his own volition. We need him to do national service. It is for the sake of South Africa his country, and our children's inheritance. Let's put his name for nominations.
A 19 yr in venda was caught with R1.9 million at his home and subsequently arrested for money laundering Ramaphosa is has undeclared foreign currency both cases simlar why is the other one arrested
Advocate Hoffman awesome crisp analogy of the fundamentals of the constitution and the prescripts of the laws around it - that should be known by presidency - but wilfully being ignored
Every one has his her own explanation ...that is why we have hierarchy of courts. Now as a lawyer myself ,i have a different decision on the judgment of the pp. Furthermore many comment on hearsay of pp while she judged on the evidence and witnesses before him. Oppositions are politically campaigning
“New law” is a ruse. New law that made JZ unable to appoint commission chair no longer applies when incumbent suspends PP while she is investigating him. This talk of “new law” is cover for the embarrassingly inconsistent report.
@@bridges5659 BRIGHT is the opposite of DARK, and BLACK is the opposite of WHITE. Between black and white, there're shades of grey, which means there's no color at all, that's different to luminosity
If the was justice system it should have started in parliament .That is why this country lawlessness. Some ANC comrate said, they are blessed with looting powers by their organisation by stealing from state and donate a little bit to the organization .
You sound like stochastic Zuma supporter. SAns know that they've been here before. SAns shall be winners at the end of the day and your President shall face the music in the Court of law.
That one will arrive to the same conclusions to what Gcaleka has, she defended Ramaphosa long time ago, saying, what happened in Phala Phala was not corruption! You guys you must follow politics all the way. As we speak right now, the State Capture report is stagnant because people like her and other verbal witnesses will now have to face the court not the commission. She was supposed to appear even on that commission coz she was implicated several times, by Ben Ngubane, Brian Molefe, Matshela Koko and others, but it was okay for her not to come, and that's confusing, if Zuma had to end up in cells for failing to attend, while names like Arthur Fraser, are known to have rejected coming before that commission, according to Zondo himself, and he did nothing about it, or he was afraid, he would expose other corruption on Ramaphosa side!
To me there is a difference between Administrative process of the farm EG financial responsibilities of the farm employees and the Owner of the farm. There is a delegation inn responsibilities to administer the all affairs of the farm. To me this on its own is a challenge to conclusively and successfully punish The President. The date of the transaction that is sale of game. The date of the finding by Frazer The date at which the money was banked and so on this are pure administrative responsibilities of the farm employees in the absence of CR
Adv Hoffman missed a critical point, no one is allowed to report a case to the Hawks,cases are referred to the Hawks by the relevant police station on the basis of the veracity of the amount of money or fraud involved.
Adv. Hoffman lying through his teeth and the host is not stopping him. Ramaphosa "was" supposed to put his business interests in a blind trust, BUT he never did! And that information is available publicly!
South Africans are not crying for Ramaphosa's money wena motho. You dont seem to understand this matter. This OUTCRY has got nothing to do with Ramaphosa's personal money, but has a lot to do with COSTITUTIONAL RULES that had been VIOLATED , THE CONSTITUTIONAL RULES which he didnt follow. Firstly, to DECLARE the R600 000 that has entered the country from SAUDI ARABIA without being declared, secondly, the manner in which Phalaphala theft had been handled, not being REPORTED to SAPS, but to Intelligence Agency. Thirdly, Ramaphosa 's cabal used the State resources when they go to Namibia running after an alleged thief . Is indeed you are saying the million dollars belonged to Ramaphosa, and you say people cry for his money, WHY DID HE USE STATE RESOURCES to follow up on that alleged thief ?why didnt he use his personal Jet to Namibia ? Please, dont insult our intelligence. Ramaphosa has a SERIOUS CASE TO ANSWER. Kholeka must be REMOVED from that Office of the PP. She doesnt serve the people of South Africa,. SHE SERVES HERSELF, HER OWN EGO, HER OWN DREAM ,TO ACHIEVE HER OWN PERSONAL GOALS. To become a permanently appointed PP. She wont get it. WE ARE HERE WATCHING AT HER EVERY MOVE. She is a disappointment to the PUBLIC that she claims to be servig.
😂😂😂 the interviewer is so disappointed...this is simple they wanted the president to in on the wrong side.. 😀😀 let them go to court..they will also filled 🤞🏾🤞🏾.. captured South African media 😀😀🚮🚮... No 1 have evidence about this issue
Very encouraging to see Adv. Hoffman echoe the sentiments of Prof. Seepe. It means there is still hope for free and unbiased commentary in the mainstream media.
It is quite shocking to hear Hoffman say this. Phela is a Ramaphosa fan this one.
Adv. Hoffman is clear that Ramaphosa's behavior was unconstitutional.
She is still a junior juror as Prof Seepe said. Or she did it deliberately, to place herself in an advantage to succeed in the position of PP. Even if Adv dismisses that, it may be true.
Adv Hohman is always on point.
Does it make a difference ?????
The big question is ..."where are the dollars now? Was the money recovered when ramaphosa abused his power and went gangster in Namibia. Where is the money.
In his bank account....where else???
Its straight forward she wants to be next public protector.
I personally feel that Kholeka Gcaleka is inexperienced, incompetent and lacks accountability as well. She doesnt seem to be having interest of the people of South Africa at heart. Her intelligence is being undermined by her desire to become permanently appointed as a Public Protector, and that , makes her lose sight of quiet a number of issues patterning Phalaphala Farm Gate scandal. She is not OBJECTIVE. Who is she to counter act the FINDINGs as stated in the PHALAPHALA REPORT which its investigation was conducted by the Legal gurus such as abo baba uSandile Nqobo. Then she thinks she could just come and rubbish their hard work.?
This has nothing to do with her incompetence and inexperience. She simply has a mandate to destroy the Phala Phala matter so that the country no longer speaks about it. She is doing her job very well in that regard.
@@marabunyaou are a very big clown, congrats😂😂😂😂
One of the best lawyers in our country
But Cathy is so dissappointed. Shame its that ENCA captured media training. Ziyanda Ngcobo is the only journalist. The narrow intepretation of her mandate Prof was a conscious decision on the part of the APP. Prof Seepe puts it elegantly when he says she failed to equip her thinking with the work that an independent panel of legal buffons had compiled as a way of supplementing her own conclusions..
In the background, is that Adv. Hoffman and Ramaphosa in the photograph?
Looks like it hey. Explains his reluctance to call a spade a spade
It was expected of the Ramaphosa protector that she would find nothing wrong. Her mandate is to protect the monumental nose at all cost.
My big question is why are the suspect not arrested 1 is on bail on another matter and attending court in Cape Town.
People, the adhoc commitee in parliament has opened up the nominations for recruiting a new PP. Please let us have our say in this matter.
We need a senior council for this position, this time. I was thinking about Adv Ngalwana SC. The man is a respected lawyer and, he enjoys a wealth of legal knowledge and experience. We need some one who is going to clean up that office. A person whom SOME of those stooges in that office will not undermine. A man that even judges and politicians will not intimidate.
Adv. Ngalwana SC for me is that person whom our country needs so desperately to occupy that office
Adv Ngalwana will be associated with adv Sikhakhane, just as a ploy to attack him. And, indeed he can be a good candidate for that position. He is very invested and anchored in law, he also have experience as acting judge.
@@sikhumbuzolukashe4431 Ok, I hear you my fellow South African. But please man, Adv Ngalwana is an SC in his own right. He is not a lawyer of a lawyer. The man is ethical and humble as well. I don't think he would push himself forward out of his own volition. We need him to do national service. It is for the sake of South Africa his country, and our children's inheritance. Let's put his name for nominations.
She us already comprised and hence the ANC will appointment her
CR will apnt her as a thank you...
Qcaleka wants the position
Adv Gcaleka is actually applying for the post even when is not yet advertised... can you please act on behalf of the poor citizens of South Africa....
Gcaleka must go with her Ramaphosa,we don't need this kind of people in our country we going through a lot in South Africa.
Where is the hawks fast asleep
A 19 yr in venda was caught with R1.9 million at his home and subsequently arrested for money laundering Ramaphosa is has undeclared foreign currency both cases simlar why is the other one arrested
Advocate Hoffman awesome crisp analogy of the fundamentals of the constitution and the prescripts of the laws around it - that should be known by presidency - but wilfully being ignored
what do you expect from a junior like gcaleka,a former ANC youth member defending a corruption from her ANC boss ramadollair.
Acting PP yet another incompetent. 👎
Every one has his her own explanation ...that is why we have hierarchy of courts. Now as a lawyer myself ,i have a different decision on the judgment of the pp. Furthermore many comment on hearsay of pp while she judged on the evidence and witnesses before him. Oppositions are politically campaigning
“New law” is a ruse. New law that made JZ unable to appoint commission chair no longer applies when incumbent suspends PP while she is investigating him. This talk of “new law” is cover for the embarrassingly inconsistent report.
The previous PP and Gcaleka are clearly PP candidates of these two factinns...ANC must be overthrown qha
She is incorrect 😢
How many salaries to one person is considered "paid work" in SAfrica, for crying out loud?
So she's not the brightest crayon in the box after all
Clearly. Sadly, she is being used in her position. My worry is that, she will break and be pushed to the doldrums of history as young as she is.
Are you saying that she's a black crayon and not a colourful one ? Aag man , you're right.
@@bridges5659 BRIGHT is the opposite of DARK, and BLACK is the opposite of WHITE. Between black and white, there're shades of grey, which means there's no color at all, that's different to luminosity
@@picassocube3521 You talk nonsense. Grey is also a colour. poes
If the was justice system it should have started in parliament .That is why this country lawlessness. Some ANC comrate said, they are blessed with looting powers by their organisation by stealing from state and donate a little bit to the organization .
To a DA , Eff an others opposition Keep on hollering ,,,it's their right ,
You sound like stochastic Zuma supporter. SAns know that they've been here before. SAns shall be winners at the end of the day and your President shall face the music in the Court of law.
Can Adv. Madonsela kindly assist poor Acting Public Protector Gcaleka to evict Ramaphosa as she has done with former President Jacob Zuma
That one will arrive to the same conclusions to what Gcaleka has, she defended Ramaphosa long time ago, saying, what happened in Phala Phala was not corruption! You guys you must follow politics all the way. As we speak right now, the State Capture report is stagnant because people like her and other verbal witnesses will now have to face the court not the commission. She was supposed to appear even on that commission coz she was implicated several times, by Ben Ngubane, Brian Molefe, Matshela Koko and others, but it was okay for her not to come, and that's confusing, if Zuma had to end up in cells for failing to attend, while names like Arthur Fraser, are known to have rejected coming before that commission, according to Zondo himself, and he did nothing about it, or he was afraid, he would expose other corruption on Ramaphosa side!
That Stellenbosch makoti is another fraud
Mxm
Both Ramadollar and makoti was se Stellenbosch are Stellenbosch worshipers..drinking from the same pit
Good day. Sharon Coetzee.
Adv Gcaleka your interpretation of the law in this matter is below standard.... disappointed
Public protector or Ramaphosa protector…hmmm 🤔
Ramaphosa protector😂😂😂😂
To me there is a difference between Administrative process of the farm EG financial responsibilities of the farm employees and the Owner of the farm. There is a delegation inn responsibilities to administer the all affairs of the farm. To me this on its own is a challenge to conclusively and successfully punish The President.
The date of the transaction that is sale of game.
The date of the finding by Frazer
The date at which the money was banked and so on this are pure administrative responsibilities of the farm employees in the absence of CR
Virtue signalling when things have deteriorated so? You make me sick
You correct, that's your opinion but not the law.
Why talk about it if Ramaphosa is not going anywhere???
Adv Hoffman missed a critical point, no one is allowed to report a case to the Hawks,cases are referred to the Hawks by the relevant police station on the basis of the veracity of the amount of money or fraud involved.
Listen to to the Prof attentively and objectively.
RamaProtector
This one is an expert not expects we been hearing..I guess this what DA call competency and clear understanding of law 🤣🤣racists own goal specialists
Adv. Hoffman lying through his teeth and the host is not stopping him. Ramaphosa "was" supposed to put his business interests in a blind trust, BUT he never did! And that information is available publicly!
That is also another fact actually.
People their crying for ramaphosa s money
South Africans are not crying for Ramaphosa's money wena motho. You dont seem to understand this matter. This OUTCRY has got nothing to do with Ramaphosa's personal money, but has a lot to do with COSTITUTIONAL RULES that had been VIOLATED , THE CONSTITUTIONAL RULES which he didnt follow. Firstly, to DECLARE the R600 000 that has entered the country from SAUDI ARABIA without being declared, secondly, the manner in which Phalaphala theft had been handled, not being REPORTED to SAPS, but to Intelligence Agency. Thirdly, Ramaphosa 's cabal used the State resources when they go to Namibia running after an alleged thief . Is indeed you are saying the million dollars belonged to Ramaphosa, and you say people cry for his money, WHY DID HE USE STATE RESOURCES to follow up on that alleged thief ?why didnt he use his personal Jet to Namibia ? Please, dont insult our intelligence. Ramaphosa has a SERIOUS CASE TO ANSWER. Kholeka must be REMOVED from that Office of the PP. She doesnt serve the people of South Africa,. SHE SERVES HERSELF, HER OWN EGO, HER OWN DREAM ,TO ACHIEVE HER OWN PERSONAL GOALS. To become a permanently appointed PP. She wont get it. WE ARE HERE WATCHING AT HER EVERY MOVE. She is a disappointment to the PUBLIC that she claims to be servig.
Mxm
Bla bla bla .........again !!!!
Sick nd tired of hearing bout phala phala
😂😂😂 the interviewer is so disappointed...this is simple they wanted the president to in on the wrong side.. 😀😀 let them go to court..they will also filled 🤞🏾🤞🏾.. captured South African media 😀😀🚮🚮... No 1 have evidence about this issue
Zuma stonch supporters used to say the same until the Concourt ordered that he was a Constitutional delinquent. Same shall apply to your President.
I'm sure the corrupt criminal government that is the anc didn't interfere (laughing my ass off)