Now that we know how to use a SPOON HAMMER and FILE - Lets all support My Friend Pete and visit the Merchandise Shelf above this comment and GET SOMETHING!
Ima a big fan of you channel. I’ve learned so much from all your videos. Thank goodness you posted this video, I’ve been wondering how to fix this exact issue , because this happens to me more than I want. I’m new to paint and body work only been doing it for 6 months. Not only are you funny and make my days much better but you truly are teaching me the tricks of the trade. Thank you for sharing these important lessons.
I have a sweet slap hammer that a old timer made from a hunk of leaf spring I haven't found one better. The files are made to flex with the right file holder
Pete, As a former Tool and Die maker , the file with the coarse teeth is what we called a Soft Metals file . We never used them on steel. They were for aluminum and brass, Etc. I would use a Mill Bastard with maybe a 2nd Cut for what you're doing. As far as the "Making a slap hammer from a file" goes, It's perfectly all right if you first anneal the steel. Files are made from water hardening steel, as opposed to air hardening or oil hardening. Water carries off the heat very quickly and the steel is very hard and brittle. To anneal it, heat it to about 1500Deg. F. for an hour maybe. 1500 is about where where the yellow turns white. Then (And this is the important part part) it must cool slowly, hours in fact in warm lime or a bucket full of ashes, no charcoal, just ashes. Do not try to speed up the cooling until you can hold it in your hand. Good Luck!
That’s some good advice. I was recently laid off from my job after 11 years of service. I made a vow to NEVER be in that position again of someone else being in control of my life. I have recently started to try some body and paint work. Experimenting on some old vehicles I have. I have a great attention to detail and I work really well with my hands. I seem to be getting the hang of it. Your videos are a treasure trove of knowledge with a little attitude and humor. I laugh as well as learn. When I earn my first dollars from doing my own work 10% going to GOD and 10% is going to my friend Pete. Thanks for your consideration of others well being.
Spoon hammer, dolly, shrink disks are the tools you must learn how to use if you want to do it right. I enjoy Pete’s videos showing all the techniques & skills that seem to be lost in today’s shops. This is the art of the trade, pay attention kids.
I've seen them spoons and NEVER knew what that hell they were good for. Thanks!!! I already bought 2 t-shirts one for me and daughter so she can go and practice volleyball and show off 👍😉.
My boss uses this technique everyday! Love the knowledge throughout the years and apply everything you teach but finding my best technique works for me
I used to hate slapping hammers,I hated something I had never tried.But one day I had massive door damage and had a broken leaf spring.And it was freaking awesome.
Thank you sir! Fire being kind enough to share your experience with us it's mighty appreciated. I hope i come across this situation so that i can put what I've learned from you to use.
You’re a master Mr. Pete. I do want to say, a bumping file (made from a finer file), not a spoon hammer, may be a good tool, and skill for you to have & use. Personally, I would purchase one. A master body guy taught me this technique 35 yrs. ago. We used them on low spots (with a dolly behind). It draws the metal up, & leaves ridges. You would then, file smooth, and rework again, if necessary. This works perfectly, and no filler needed. I don’t think I’d try it on the thinner late model stuff.
Thanks for this. I had run into this problem many times before and never had a proper solution to it other than a horrible hack like creating cuts into the metal with a cut-off wheel so it folds down so I can fill over the mess. Now ordered a spoon hammer. I have learnt so much from your videos.
my uncle said come get these vw parts and rusty tools, etc and in that lot was a rusted slap hammer, so I put it in the electrolysis bath for a few days and then filed and sanded it smooth and put linseed oil on for now, then later, hit and drag. learning something new all the time.
Always learning something from my friend Pete., am working on a 70 Chevy c-10 and am close to starting the body work., but what would my friend pete recommend to strip it to bare metal just sanding or media blasting ? Or having the entire thing acid dipped ?
Pete thanks so much for the video! I had a small dent I've been chasing for a few days now.. Driving me F'n crazy.. this video totally helped me out.. thanks again Pete! P.S. mech will be purchased.! Brett. Seattle, Wa
@D.I.Y. AUTO SCHOOL - Pete, love your videos. Going to be starting on my own project in the next month or two. When would use this technique vs. the shrinking disc? Thanks!
Greetings from England and a Thumbs up! Great videos. SALVAGE FLIPPERS mentioned you in one of his videos. I had to take a look, I'm glad I did! Subscribed!
I have a quick question for you my friend Pete, what is it about Chevy vehicles with factory paint that flakes off everywhere right down to the primer? Or is it even primer at all? It's as if the paint didn't stick and just peels off all by itself
Ford also had the same problem years ago, not sure about it now though, had something to do with the materials (paint) and the (primer) not being compatible with each other. So as long as you are staying in the same class of finishes as in water base or solvent based you shouldn't have a problem, but if you mix the two it won't work
I've personally never used, or have seen anyone use a spoon hammer until now. And, I use to work inside of a auto body shop in my early years helping to restore cars like Cords and Packards.
Pete, it would seem to me that a slap hammer made from a file would take away too much metal too quickly, am I right? Thanks for these instructional videos!
I don’t know about taking to metal sway but I do know that a file is t made to be used as a hammer. There are people that use them but for me it just didn’t work out. Everyone has their own techniques that work best for themselves! 👍👍
that file is a vixen file mostly used for lead work, or soft metals. aluminum, brass etc, using a file is the same as using a hack saw. cut, lift, cut, lift. it will go dull if you maintain pressure on the pull back. you can use a shrinking disc as well. it will find the high spots. i like to drag a flexible ruler over areas in question with a bright flashlite behind the ruler. if light comes through, there's a low spot, or it's riding over a high spot.
I will put it this way every high carbon steel tool I have accidentally heated up wile working with torches has broken clean in half afterwords at some point. On the other hand alloy steel can be welded and holds its tuffness. My body hammer is a air hammer bit welded to a tie rod end works like a charm. I made my own slap hammer out of some ar400 steel plate with a mild steel handle welded on. Try welding some cast iron you will see the problem with cracking in high carbon applications.
When sanding to metal filling a dent, do apply self etch primer to the bare metal that’s exposed,or high build? Do you have a tip or video you can recommend?
@@diyautoschool thanks a lot .i noticed some rust surfaced slightly after 3 days , only in a few areas nothing major . I used your tips yesterday and they worked perfectly. I’m working on my pickup truck before I do my 85 SS impala DGGM paint . Thanks Again and hope you heal up good take it easy
Well if you don't have the money to buy a slap hammer I see is no harm in making one but you gotta use the right metal not a file'cause I feel the file is harden steel and brittle and that is why it breaks so easy thanks for the video Pete keep up the good work say hi to Minnie take it easy
WOW that is a lot of verbiage as in ....a dam plethora of words to finally, one of these days......he might get to the point. So in the end, why didn't he just grind down the high spot.
My Friend Pete getting it done, with a light dinging spoon, I was expecting to see some metal finished work where there is no body filler used... Maybe next time Pete.
The leaf spring trick is a good idea only if you use the right size and weighted spring to do it with. Not just any spring will work. Your much better off buying a Martin brand spoon hammer then trying to be a cool daddy trickster to make your own so you can say LOOK What I MADE!
Now that we know how to use a SPOON HAMMER and FILE - Lets all support My Friend Pete and visit the Merchandise Shelf above this comment and GET SOMETHING!
www.amazon.com/dp/B07VXX9WCS/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_A3F5438QF3PP1SN2YR8B
Is this good for rust
Ima a big fan of you channel. I’ve learned so much from all your videos. Thank goodness you posted this video, I’ve been wondering how to fix this exact issue , because this happens to me more than I want. I’m new to paint and body work only been doing it for 6 months. Not only are you funny and make my days much better but you truly are teaching me the tricks of the trade. Thank you for sharing these important lessons.
Could you have used the shrinking disk on that?
Always learn something from you Pete...Thank you for that...Ordered a shirt also..Will do more as I can...Thank you again
I have a sweet slap hammer that a old timer made from a hunk of leaf spring I haven't found one better. The files are made to flex with the right file holder
Pete, As a former Tool and Die maker , the file with the coarse teeth is what we called a Soft Metals file . We never used them on steel. They were for aluminum and brass, Etc. I would use a Mill Bastard with maybe a 2nd Cut for what you're doing. As far as the "Making a slap hammer from a file" goes, It's perfectly all right if you first anneal the steel. Files are made from water hardening steel, as opposed to air hardening or oil hardening. Water carries off the heat very quickly and the steel is very hard and brittle. To anneal it, heat it to about 1500Deg. F. for an hour maybe. 1500 is about where where the yellow turns white. Then (And this is the important part part) it must cool slowly, hours in fact in warm lime or a bucket full of ashes, no charcoal, just ashes. Do not try to speed up the cooling until you can hold it in your hand. Good Luck!
That’s some good advice. I was recently laid off from my job after 11 years of service. I made a vow to NEVER be in that position again of someone else being in control of my life. I have recently started to try some body and paint work. Experimenting on some old vehicles I have. I have a great attention to detail and I work really well with my hands. I seem to be getting the hang of it. Your videos are a treasure trove of knowledge with a little attitude and humor. I laugh as well as learn. When I earn my first dollars from doing my own work 10% going to GOD and 10% is going to my friend Pete. Thanks for your consideration of others well being.
GOOD LUCK with you new ventures and when times get rough don’t
Give up on the end it will all pay off!
Give it to Pete! He needs it more😊
Spoon hammer, dolly, shrink disks are the tools you must learn how to use if you want to do it right. I enjoy Pete’s videos showing all the techniques & skills that seem to be lost in today’s shops.
This is the art of the trade, pay attention kids.
Thanks Pete finely someone on TH-cam that knows what he is talking about thanks Steve
Thanks My friend Pete for this leason. Im impressed by these simple but just so right techniques. Keep those videos coming.
Old school pick and file. Almost a lost art. Doin it right Pete
You shares useful information in order to guide and help people....Thank you
Blessings.
A wealth of knowledge you have pete
Thank you for explaining how to do things the right way !! Wish You the Best !!
Ooo Pete you’ve done it again you have taught us something , heading to harbor freight, fixing my 1984 ford 4x4 ,
Thanks my friend Pete
Now this is the type of videos you need to continue posting pete.
Thankyou Pete I have seen these used before ,down here in Australia we call them flippers they are a great tool to have in your workshop
Thanks Pete. Your a treasure chest of knowledge.
I've seen them spoons and NEVER knew what that hell they were good for. Thanks!!!
I already bought 2 t-shirts one for me and daughter so she can go and practice volleyball and show off
👍😉.
I paused the video after you mentioned tp tools and the website is amazing. Thank you Pete!
My boss uses this technique everyday! Love the knowledge throughout the years and apply everything you teach but finding my best technique works for me
I used to hate slapping hammers,I hated something I had never tried.But one day I had massive door damage and had a broken leaf spring.And it was freaking awesome.
Keep up the good tips us broke ass gear heads need all the help we can get thanks pete
Thank you sir! Fire being kind enough to share your experience with us it's mighty appreciated. I hope i come across this situation so that i can put what I've learned from you to use.
You’re a master Mr. Pete.
I do want to say, a bumping file (made from a finer file), not a spoon hammer, may be a good tool, and skill for you to have & use. Personally, I would purchase one. A master body guy taught me this technique 35 yrs. ago. We used them on low spots (with a dolly behind). It draws the metal up, & leaves ridges. You would then, file smooth, and rework again, if necessary. This works perfectly, and no filler needed. I don’t think I’d try it on the thinner late model stuff.
You just fixed my problem. THANK YOU!
Nice job my friend Pete
A high spot drove me crazy for two evenings to get it out glad you showed the right way
Great job and excellent demo.Your friend Ron my friend pete. Keep them getting her done!!!
Just in time Pete...Cheers mate.
Great video Pete thanks for sharing and one more thing pete great job for not cursing in this video.
Thanks for this. I had run into this problem many times before and never had a proper solution to it other than a horrible hack like creating cuts into the metal with a cut-off wheel so it folds down so I can fill over the mess. Now ordered a spoon hammer. I have learnt so much from your videos.
Nice explanation Pete! You’re the best. Say hi to Minnie . 😊JR in🇨🇦
Awesome Lesson! Thanks
Great tips I needed to watch this 2days ago. I was tapping straight down lol dent in dent out smh thanks god bless you Pete
I like it. Ive done the knock down thing with the body hammer and yeah you do have to re-do bondo. Ill be trying this one. Cool tip Pete!
Thank you for another handy tip
my uncle said come get these vw parts and rusty tools, etc and in that lot was a rusted slap hammer, so I put it in the electrolysis bath for a few days and then filed and sanded it smooth and put linseed oil on for now, then later, hit and drag. learning something new all the time.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video.
Thank you my freind you saved me a ton of time
hey pete thank you for sharing i learned a lot!
No your right about slap hammer, happened to me cracked as well, great video!
Perfect timing on your video instruction! Thanks, I needed this today!
Good stuff Pete!
Great job 👍
Thank you very much for your valuable knowledge and expertise... Thanks for everything you doing Pete. 💐
Thanks Pete!
Thanks for the vid! More tools I need to get that I didn't know about. Will be trying this out on my truck.
Great video!
Thanks buddy. Nice tips
Thank you my friend Pete!
Your the man pete
Excellent information Pete!
Always learning something from my friend Pete., am working on a 70 Chevy c-10 and am close to starting the body work., but what would my friend pete recommend to strip it to bare metal just sanding or media blasting ? Or having the entire thing acid dipped ?
Thanks Pete, great advice as always!
Pete thanks so much for the video! I had a small dent I've been chasing for a few days now.. Driving me F'n crazy.. this video totally helped me out.. thanks again Pete!
P.S. mech will be purchased.!
Brett.
Seattle, Wa
Nice Pete!
@D.I.Y. AUTO SCHOOL - Pete, love your videos. Going to be starting on my own project in the next month or two. When would use this technique vs. the shrinking disc? Thanks!
love the videos Pete!
Fantastic video Pete as always keep up the great work
Love your videos, my friend Pete
Very good!
Another top shelf vid brother👌✌️
Good job
That was really good Pete. Thanks for that!
Thanks, Buddy
I definitely learned something new thank you
Informative video as always love it 👍👍
Thank you sir.
Thank you Pete, very good info 👍
this old boy great learnt loads from this chan. Uk
great tips as always thumbs up
Very helpful video. Thank you
I agree totally BS on the file Thank you for your help my friend Pete 🤠
Good stuff
Greetings from England and a Thumbs up! Great videos.
SALVAGE FLIPPERS mentioned you in one of his videos. I had to take a look, I'm glad I did!
Subscribed!
another grate vid...thanks pete
I have a quick question for you my friend Pete, what is it about Chevy vehicles with factory paint that flakes off everywhere right down to the primer? Or is it even primer at all? It's as if the paint didn't stick and just peels off all by itself
Ford also had the same problem years ago, not sure about it now though, had something to do with the materials (paint) and the (primer) not being compatible with each other. So as long as you are staying in the same class of finishes as in water base or solvent based you shouldn't have a problem, but if you mix the two it won't work
@@gm-lb9oe thanks for the reply, my trucks are from early and mid 90s looks like complete paint jobs for both of them to fix the problem.
@@timmaxim2120 thats too bad. Can't trust car makers anymore, quality turned in quantity
Hello mfp I’ve just lately found you on line you have so much experience you are my go to guy!!and your a riot !!!!
I've personally never used, or have seen anyone use a spoon hammer until now. And, I use to work inside of a auto body shop in my early years helping to restore cars like Cords and Packards.
Pete, it would seem to me that a slap hammer made from a file would take away too much metal too quickly, am I right? Thanks for these instructional videos!
I don’t know about taking to metal sway but I do know that a file is t made to be used as a hammer. There are people that use them but for me it just didn’t work out. Everyone has their own techniques that work best for themselves! 👍👍
I want to see some paint booth action Hope you get your paint booth done
I hope I do too. Thanks for reminding me.
Good stuff 👍
that file is a vixen file mostly used for lead work, or soft metals. aluminum, brass etc, using a file is the same as using a hack saw. cut, lift, cut, lift. it will go dull if you maintain pressure on the pull back. you can use a shrinking disc as well. it will find the high spots. i like to drag a flexible ruler over areas in question with a bright flashlite behind the ruler. if light comes through, there's a low spot, or it's riding over a high spot.
Thanks for the valuable and informative comments. 👍👍
You can make the slap hammer out of the file, but, you have to perform the correct heat treatment/tempering after bending it.
Slap hammers made from files is great be using one for 20 years
Always wondered what them things were for
How about welding two vixen files to a plate of steel and use them as a body clamp.
I will put it this way every high carbon steel tool I have accidentally heated up wile working with torches has broken clean in half afterwords at some point. On the other hand alloy steel can be welded and holds its tuffness. My body hammer is a air hammer bit welded to a tie rod end works like a charm. I made my own slap hammer out of some ar400 steel plate with a mild steel handle welded on. Try welding some cast iron you will see the problem with cracking in high carbon applications.
So question - if you can access a small dent from inside the body, can the spoon be used to minimize that dent back outward?
Something like what you
Mentions will need a hammer and dolly job rather then a spoon hammer alone.
A spoon hammer. All these years I used it flipping burgers on my Weber grill.
🤣🤣🤣
When sanding to metal filling a dent, do apply self etch primer to the bare metal that’s exposed,or high build? Do you have a tip or video you can recommend?
High build primer. The primer quality’s of today don’t require you to use epoxy or sled etch first. You can go straight to 2k primer. 👍👍
@@diyautoschool thanks a lot .i noticed some rust surfaced slightly after 3 days , only in a few areas nothing major . I used your tips yesterday and they worked perfectly. I’m working on my pickup truck before I do my 85 SS impala DGGM paint . Thanks Again and hope you heal up good take it easy
Well if you don't have the money to buy a slap hammer I see is no harm in making one but you gotta use the right metal not a file'cause I feel the file is harden steel and brittle and that is why it breaks so easy thanks for the video Pete keep up the good work say hi to Minnie take it easy
That young man from Make it Custom is pretty bad ass...
Nice to see you back in the shop Pete, because if you ain't doing it right you ain't you're probably sitting your ass on the couch. Oink, oink.
May be you can make it out of a file . I probably would try till I bought a slap hammer. Thanks Pete. .
Hi Pete
WOW that is a lot of verbiage as in ....a dam plethora of words to finally, one of these days......he might get to the point. So in the end, why didn't he just grind down the high spot.
I AM back man God bless
sup my friend Pete hope a is well
Cam you make eggs with that slap hammer?
My Friend Pete getting it done, with a light dinging spoon, I was expecting to see some metal finished work where there is no body filler used... Maybe next time Pete.
I have tried to find slap files apparently no one makes them anymore just get funny looks
what about people that make a slap hammer out of a lief spring. I have bought 18 shirts and other objects from t spring thanks and God bless
The leaf spring trick is a good idea only if you use the right size and weighted spring to do it with. Not just any spring will work. Your much better off buying a Martin brand spoon hammer then trying to be a cool daddy trickster to make your own so you can say LOOK What I MADE!
@@diyautoschool after watching the video I will just buy one because I think I can use one