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- For years the X-men films have been known for a messy timeline, but in my mind there are many easy fixes that explain the X-men films continuity and show that it is not the incoherent mess everyone says it it. To start, I'm here to explain the brother of Wolverine... Saber-Tooth!
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It’s simple: Logan doesn’t remember his brother because Logan’s memory was wiped. Sabretooth don’t remember Logan due to his mutations. The more beastly he became, the less semblance he had to his prior more “human” state, and thus also forgoing his prior human emotions and memories. After 15 years of mutation, Sabretooth had simply forgotten his brother along with all other aspects of himself, living only to serve his master, Magneto, and truly becoming a beast.
But it's never said that they don't remember each other. It's only assumed because that's the first film
@@Jake-dm4rk It is assumed because if they knew eachother in the film, they would have absolutely mentioned it. Any two characters who meet on screen for the first time but have a preexisting relationship will always communicate it to the audience. The two characters are clearly written as if they dont know eachother in the first film. Them not remembering due to the bullet / mutation is the only viable explanaiton.
Your way of explaining the issues away can be used to justify almost any preexisting relationship that isnt communicated at all in the film. Maybe Jean and Logan actually know eachother, but to not make Scott jealous, they pretend they dont, that would also explain why Logan is so drawn to her.
But his healing factor. Like logans should keep him from having alzhismer.
@@samchurchill6227I think the OP is right. The reason why Victor doesn't remember Jimmy/Logan is because of his mutation. By the events of X-Men 1, he has almost become completely animal-like. Logan didn't turn out like his brother because of the adamantium in his body perpetually poisoning him and his healing factor perpetually working- fighting the adamantium poisoning. And it's somehow stunted his descent/transformation into what sabretooth became. I could be wrong but Im pretty i remember reading that somewhere.
different movie producers and writters, that's why they are different looking and their personality is different
If you read the spin off comics of a this franchise you will learn that one of issues “X2 Wolverine’s Revenge that take place between X-Men and X2, Logan encounters Sabretooth once again during his trip alkali lake, where they soon learn about their share history in which Sabretooth reveals that like Wolverine he also has no memory of his past life either due to him going through colonel Stryker’s experiment as well his enhanced mutation which is why teamed up Magneto and Brotherhood.
the game ? if that's what your talking about the game is not the same continuity as the movies based off the character designs, lore, and history. the game is more comic book based
there is no comic issue that does this. Wolverine's Revenge is a Video Game telling an original story that has nothing to do with the movies.
@@Elipson52008it’s on a Wikipedia bio page after Logan
@@Elipson52008i just read the comic, it's x-men movie comic sabretooth (or something like that, u can look it up)
@@rockaveli1013X2 Prequel Comics are a thing
Tbh if u was to take the first sabortooth l intimidating look , scary , beastly appearance and add Wolverine origins sabor tooths attitude, talk, and arrogance and combine them it's the perfect sabor tooth
Tyler Mane's Sabertooth was my favorite of the two.
I'm glad he is returning for Deadpool 3
Tyler Mayne and lievs should interact and deadpool should poke fun at how they look nothing alike I hope they don’t cut that scene
I like the idea that theres 3 X-Men universe, all varying degree.
You got the bad ending, aka Logan 2018 which Mutants are hunted down and killed, and generally has a dystopian feel to it.
The good ending where Logan wakes up in X-Men Days of the Future
The not bad-not great ending which was X-Men 3
All the timelines remained the same or have the same concept with Wolverine: Origins, X-Men 1, X-Men 2 all happened-what happens after that is shaky at best.
That’s why the multiverse exists.
Logan really had a hard life, every people he liked died twice
Nah
- Logan (2018) universe
- The good ending after Days of Future Past (which is the same from the original trilogy but they changed the future so mutants could survive)
- The 2010s trilogy which includes (Days of Future Past, Apocalypse, Dark Phoenix, Deadpool, Deadpool 2)
U right m8
I don't think anyone is questioning why Logan doesn't remember him. That's made obvious, that he doesn't remember anything from before he was shot in the head.
Idk I've heard many many question why they don't remember each other. Just watch cosmonaut quickies xmen origins video
Wolverine lost his memory too, so he wouldn’t remember him either way
Well I pointed out that he had 15 years to be reminded and I doubt he would lose 90 years of memories.
@@Jake-dm4rk ohh my bad
Hopefully I don't ramble lol
@@Jake-dm4rk Wolverine does not have a memory of anyone before being shot. Don't make up anything, that's clear.
Slowly regains his memory
It's like this, Origins is a very loose take on Team X from the comics. Team X was a group of mutants time into a covert special ops kill Squad which considered of Logan Victor, Maverick, Wraith, Jackson, Silver Fox and others. In the comics it was revealed that Wolverine and Sabertooth got Adamantium, because of their healing factors allowing them to survive the Adamantium bonding process, Deadpool was given the healing factors, but he's a mutate not a mutant. Silver Fox was killed by Sabertooth and they fight every year in his birthday
He should have been in Logan but I hope that he is in Deadpool 3
@@srstriker6420 Well, you got your wish.
Hey man you forgot to talk about x men 2 prequel comic that takes place in between x men 1 and x men 2 sabertooth returned in that comic
I didn't know about that onebut I'm specifically talking about the films. Unfortunately the movie games and movie comics are ignored when writing the films.
Don’t you mean in between X-Men Origins: Wolverine and X-Men?
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411no there's a old comic of what I said
@@Goremasterhelsing Oh! Never mind! I thought you were talking about how he changed his looks from Origins to him in X-Men.
He has healing power too so he wont go down without a fight😅
I believe there may have been a comic where they were related but I could be wrong on that. Either way apparently they both are similar in their powers that reverts them to a feral state or something like that. There's an explanation for it in the comics but it's weird
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Stop trying to defend this bogus franchise. They did not think when creating this continuity. They are not the same sabretooth, fox just messed up over and over again.
Always thought about this. Thank you for the video!
Thanks for this video analysis.
Hopefully it makes sense.
If you have to go out of your way to explain all the potential problems with the X-Men timeline, then the criticisms from fans are justified completely. That's the job of the movies, not the audience.
But there are many that people complain about that were fixed in film that people still complain about or some that aren't actually errors that people say are. So eventually I wanted to explain it while also pointing out alot of e tra details that help.
@@Jake-dm4rk To be frank though, a lot of this stuff is you reaching for an explanation that isn't really provided. And even if it were, if it were provided in such a confusing manner that the vast majority of the audience doesn't get it, that's still the fault of the film.
@@Jake-dm4rk That is also true. While the commenter makes an admittedly good point what you say is true too. For example, I’ve seen a stupid question from an idiot on Quora asking why Jean was alive in Dark Phoenix if she died in The Last Stand. While the XCU continuity is without a doubt a mess, a lot of people out there tend to exaggerate and play dumb for the sake of bashing the XCU.
Exactly. Most of them don't even watch all the movies and talk shit. Plus they complain about errors that have been long explained. Errors fixed as main plot points in days of future past are still called Errors. People like cosmonaut variety hour make up fake Errors or act stupid to the subject
Thank you I was so confused
They already did show Sabertooth survived, he appears in X3 the official game (which takes place between X2 and The Last Stand) and Sabertooth was the final boss in the console version
Well video games weren't exactly considered when writing the films. I considered them alt realities since the films contradict all the games
Ryan Reynolds was in X Men Origins too. With the new Deadpool movie coming out, and since it hardly shows wolverine in it, do you think there’s a possibility we may see sabretooth on the big screen again one last time?
Set photos show at least the xmen 1 sabertooth is back
Update: They did bring him back! Granted they did literally nothing with him in that movie but he's certainly there.
Good gosh thank you so much for this, I was hoping I could actually find a video answer to this question and you my good sir pulled through!
1:34 And grown about 5 inches taller...
I was actually surprised when I looked up the exact height difference just now. Liev Schrieber looks tiny on screen compared to Tyler Mane, but at a healthy 6 foot 3, Liev is ONLY about half a foot shorter than Tyler.
oh come on. We all know that X-Men 1 is not in the same timeline as origins because there's no indication that Victor lost his memory at all, so it doesn't make sense that he didn't remember Logan. They just weren't following that continuity when X-men 1 was released. You are just making too much stuff, when in reality. it's not even the same timeline bro. It's bad continuity that creates this many timelines. In my opinion, they weren't brothers in the original timeline of X-men 1. Origins is another timeline so in the origins timeline they are brothers but in the original timeline they weren't related.
I think you just don't like the film. But as I said, there is no indication they don't remember each other.
Not only is the same, but before X2 came out (way before Origins start production), they release 2 prequel comics to X2. In one of those Wolverine meet Sabretooth again and implied that they fought togheter for a long time
Well Wolverine had his mind wiped and didn't remember his past,including Sabretooth.
Who's to say maybe something similar happened to Sabretooth and his memories?
It’s like the difference between Arkham asylum bane and Arkham origins bane
we could really just use the muliverse excuse at this point lol
You do realize saber tooth being Wolverine's brother is a retcon yeah they knew each other for the longest time but they're not related in the old Comics anyways
Originally the conception of sabertooth was that he was Logan‘s father.
@@yulaw9204 no I don't think that's true either
Wolverine chuckles when Xavier mentions him as Sabretooth. He never knew him in the trilogy. X-Men Origins is a different timeline
No it's not. It's part of xmen ones timeline. Also Victor wasn't known as sabertooth in xmen origins. Logan wasn't around when he got the nickname. People aren't born with nicknames lol. Like imagine you learn your sibling has a dumb nickname. You'd chuckle too. Just because he didn't know tye nickname doesn't imply it's a different timeline, just that victor didn't have it back then....
Victor will be shocked when he learns that Wolverine may very well become Wolverinna lol and though he is envious of Logan's healing Factor I'm pretty sure he doesn't want the sex change that goes along with it
Interesting take lol
The blast from Cyclops shouldn't have killed him, Sabertooth has a healing factor like Logan.
That's what I figured.
@@paulreyes3972 Because it didn’t. He survived and showed up as a boss in the first level and final level in X-Men: The Official Game which takes place in between X2 and X3.
Well he’s in deadpool and wolverine and the fight at the end of x men one happened as well in the new timeline so he must have survived and somehow got put in the void
And the blast from wepon 11 didn’t kill him so it makes sense
@Pinkmen-ho3fz my guess is when the timeline was restarted in days, the original timeline was pruned.
That sabretooth us different
Canonically he's the same guy
Same guy just time line diffèrent so xmen origins story befor xmen 1 on 15 years
Wolverine was shot in the head with adamantium after the origins scene, and didn't recognize his gf, so he wouldn't remember Sabretooth. It is strange that Sabretooth wouldn't have called him Jimmy, he wouldn't have known Wolv lost his memory. Their stuff from Origins is great, but it doesn't track well with the original X-Men movies. It is funny looking at it that the last time he saw him he said brothers look out for each other, then next time he sees him he hits him with a tree out of nowhere, hahhaa.
The writers of the films did not restrict them selfs the pip point accuracy simple as that, they one film then moved on to the next.
You are missing the point of these videos.
@@Jake-dm4rk No I get what these videos do, however You make it sound like the writers pre planned movies made before before the others to fit together when they didn't. Wolverine flash backs weapon X transformation and the set in the first movie is completely different from the Wolverine Origen's story. They prioritise the Cinematic experience over everything knowing that most people wont notice the differences between movies. Its not like people went to go see Wolverine Origen's with a tablet in there hands with the XMan moving comparing the difference. That only happens after when there person can realistically put the two movies side by side, and that happens after the movies gone to Blue Ray or DVD.
@HOLLASOUNDS I never said they planned it all out. Infact in many of the videos I say the exact opposite. I'm just explaining that alot of complaints are over blown and the continuity is easier to fix that people say. Also that the memes lead everyone over all and should not.
@@Jake-dm4rk Yes you raised some good points about Sabretooths look, and How Thor changed his look dramatically despite being the same actor so I dont totally disagree with You.
live action sabertooth was such a let down he looked so goofy instead of his sick comic design
The differences are because two different film companies produced the movies.
No both were fox
@@Jake-dm4rk I stand corrected I thought they had two different producers.
@monabailey3093 that's fair
Short example: logan lost his memory due to a adamantium bullet, sabretooth lost his memories because of his mutation
Do people really not buy the explanation that they do remember each other? And they just don't need to bring it up? There are clues they do know each other or at least hold an odd grudge for each other. It's only assumed they just met because it was the first movie. But really, nothing really indicates they don't remember each other.
Bro you are putting a lot of stretch to try to force this idea but I’m sorry to tell you, your idea just doesn’t work at all. Like wolverine forgetting Victor but can smell the blood thirst and danger, also that probably that Sabertooth knows who wolverine is but Wolverine doesn’t remember Sabertooth. Which has always been something that has been played in the animations aswell. But professor x not acknowledging juggernaut, sorry to say that’s a stretch too far.
Let me ask... why would xavier be surprised that his friend of many years whom he is at odds with would recruit his own step brother whom he's also at odds with? Especially in a situation like they are in, recruiting jean, an old student who is also troubled. Magneto did that with his sister too, who would know about juggy. Why would xavier need to bring it up there? Like I said sometimes after enough BS, you just have no words or need to say anything. It's just another thing.
I believe that because of his mutations Sabertooth become much stronger than Logan even without the Adamntium, Logan never beat him in the first movie
Sabre tooth has his memory wiped that why he was with magneto and he took Logan’s dogs tags because he has the same dog tags and want to know about them then they have a talk about there past
I wish he would get a solo movie like Logan . 😊
They’re not brothers.
In the movies they are
I don't think victor is sabertooth
But he is.
Sabertooths name is literally victor lmao. So sure it’s coincidence🤣 I’m so sure they have similar powers same name and are connected to Wolverine. It’s all just coincidence right? Be realistic lol
maybe the original sabertooth died and his son or clone took over the mantle
But didn’t wolverine get his claws cut off
What is this part in reference to
This is just redefining scenes to make it seem more coherent. Im not fully against it. It just doesn't make the Continuity better or even really good.
Well I figured the origins film redefined it. But it's not really contradicting anything.
Why is there like a toilet noise in the background? You where in the toilet while recording your voice?
Sorry it wast the fish tank
I see you’re trying to make logical sense of this, but it’s so simple. The writers didn’t think of it yet, There’s no argument, the writers didn’t think of it yet my goodness
Yes I know but my video is meant to help AFTER
Bro why u trying so hard make the xmen movies make sense
Because people exaggerated the problem and it's not as hard as you think. All you gotta do is ignore the memes lol. They programmed you to think this. Or people just want to hate
😂😂
They are just 2 different Sabertooths.
But they aren't.
If victor and sabertooth were same i am sure Cyclops would have remember him....
They never said he didn't remember him.
The problem with that is that Victor Creed looked and sounded completely different back then when he captured Scott in Origins than he does in X-Men.
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411his mutation altered his appearance by a lot
They really tried to keep the continuity in-line in Origins. Some things although might seem off, but they can't really do much. The prequel was written way later.
I always went with the idea that since they were so different and Origins never called him sabretooth and x-men never called him victor creed we can just pretend they are different people.
Not a bad idea honestly
Dude! I was just about to say the same thing! I didn't actually think that I was the only person who thought of this,but it's still nice that someone else has arrived at the same conclusion.
It’s a deleted scene, so its canonicity might be questionable, but in Logan a kid asks him if “Sabertooth” was real, and Logan responds by saying he was, and that “he was in a program with me.”
@@kellycherpin1394 without spoiling all of Deadpool 3, can confirm that they are in fact the same character
This is over glazing the x men movies we all know they just forgot that saberbooth wasn’t his Brother in the original movie
Can’t convince me this isn’t bad movie timeline writing. I mean cmon they have the bike and the jacket but he doesn’t remember his brother. I guess they decided to go the comic route since on comics they aren’t brothers. Then why make them brother’s in wolverines origin story
I liked both versions of Sabertooth, but the Origins version is way better. We know basically nothing about him in X-Men 1 and they don’t show him again after that We don’t even know that has a healing power in X-Men 1 and the only sign that he knows Logan is that he takes his tags.
Regardless, I wish we saw Sabertooth in at least one more of the X-Men films, like DOFP. It would’ve been perfect to show him in that one, even just in the past, (1973). And also in Logan, it would’ve been great to see Sabertooth, even for a minute. He’d likely be older because like Logan his healing power would be failing, and his was always weaker than Logan’s anyway.
I agree saber tooth was sorely underused
I think him surviving a lightning blast from Storm and multiple stabbings from Wolverine's claws should be an indicator that Sabertooth has healing powers.
Anyway, Sabertooth will make his return in Deadpool and Wolverine.
In X men 1 sabretooth either took off after being blasted or was unconscious and captured after the blast from scott
He survived and took off cause he appeared as a boss in X-Men: The Official Game which takes place in between the events of X2 and X3. Sounds like someone hasn’t played that game.
No I played that game but the movies always contradict movie games. Like with silver samurai
@@Jake-dm4rk That was obviously a different Silver Samurai. There are two Silver Samurais in the Marvel Comics Universe.
@The Destroyer2alltrolls true but I feel like the two were similar enough to make Logan at least question the situation in the wolverine
@@Jake-dm4rk They really weren’t that similar. One was a tall, buff, middle-aged Japanese man who was a mutant and an actual samurai. The other one was an old, frail dying Japanese businessman in a mechanical, silver, Adamantium-armored suit that looked like Drift from Hasbro’s Transformers toyline.
I didn’t see the laser eye blast being survived in Origins and not in X1 as a continuity error. I thought Sabretooth died in X1 because he fall that great distance, smashed thru a boat, then drowned.
That's a fair point. I feel like he'd heal from that eventually but I like that take
Liev Schrieber was a SUPERB SABERTOOTH.
Hell yeah
Ok my problem I see is I don’t think they do remember each other Logan don’t remember anything of his past it’s made very clear on that many times and I believe saber tooth has went feral and don’t remember his past either
But in 15 years it's very possible they met again and reintroduced each other abd after that long nothing changed clearly. Why would they need to talk about it
@@Jake-dm4rk you don’t understand there is a very very easier way to explain why they don’t one wolverine has no memories and two victor has went feral which means he went into a beast animal like state so he has no memories other than what he is told at that moment
I guess either way you are proving the point lol its not a continuity error
@@Jake-dm4rk Alonso you think if sabaterooth would still rember Stryker if he ever endured him as old man eventhough Stryker kind of died in x2
@@Jake-dm4rk did younsee my reply
Good video kinda puts things in a better perspective.
Thanks!
They just got it wrong, and they pushed it before pulling it. Happens all the time when Hollywood film maker's try to be the first! as if let's make the movie before someone else does.
Wait so is juggernaut from Last stand the same as deadpool 2?
I think it could be but the different timeline allowed him to develop and evolve his mutation.
Problem…. In Deadpool it was an origin movie
And the problem is that deadpool exists in another era in another timeline?
All this talk of memory wipe, Wolverine may have lost all thoughts of Sabertooth. BUT, Logan's animal senses never lies and never forgets!
Since no one has mentioned this I'll say it then: There was supposed to be a part in Origins where Stryker had tried to create a clone of Victor Creed but without his memories, and that clone was supposed to be the Sabertooth in the first X-Men movie, which is why he doesn't fully recognize Wolverine
But dude... they never say neither of them recognize each other. It's never ever mentioned.
@@Jake-dm4rkthat's like saying that Sabretooth could have been jesus because nothing stated he wasnt.
That i didn't know. Interesting. But that was cut. Can I ask, why does he steal the dog tags if he doesn't remember him?
@specialagentorange4329 umm no it's not. Mine actually pertains to the topic.
It’s possible Sabertooth dose remember Logan and only fights him in X-Men 1 because they he is serving Magneto and knowing Logan would likely not allow Rouge’s abduction hence the need to take him out first. Logan however definitely dosen’t remember Victor due to the bullet
Wolverine and Sabretooth are NOT brothers. 😂
In the movies they are.
@@Jake-dm4rk so does it make it cannon or not
If it's in the movies then it's canon to the movies
Will both Sabreteeth be in Deadpool 3 as they're different continuities ?
They ate the same continuity just different actors.
@@Jake-dm4rk disagree. In Origins there's Emma Frost even though she's in First Class and in Origins Professor X is bald and walking even though he loses his hair (against Apocalypse) when he's already in a wheelchair ( First Class). Deadpool is different too
Sabretooth actually survived Cyclops’ optic blast in X1 and appeared as a boss in a couple of missions in X-Men: The Official Game which takes place in between X2 and X3.
Yooooo what, I had no idea about this. Where can I play the game?
@@manuelarnauda What the hell happened to my reply? Who the hell deleted it???
I promise you I didn't. That's not my style
@@thedestroyer2alltrolls411 🤨
@@manuelarnauda I replied to you saying where to get the game, dimwit. Do not be dense.
hey im loving your xmen continuity videos, i will give you a little help. This "issue" has been solved for 21 years even before Origins came out. There is a canon comic tie-in called X2 Prequel: Wolverine that explains everything even Victor's memory lost. There is no need for theories LOL
Please do a video now with Deadpool and wolverine coming out and it revealing more about the timeline and sabertooth coming back
Sabertooth from X-Men origins is a variant just like Deadpool was, difference appearance and different backstory, that’s the only way to explain the horrible continuity.
Yeah, this dude is really going far out of his way to make sense of things. It's hilarious 😂😂😂
Deadpool juggernaut and xmen 3 juggernaut do not exist in same timeline
Yes but they stem from the same origin. Deadpool is in the second timeline made by days and juggy was alive in days.
He was underutilized.
Your video is convuluted. It's much simpler. Logan lost most of his memory when he got shot in the head. Striker erased Victors memory after making him more bestial in the weapon x program. Simple.
Logan and Victor can still be natural rivals without them having their past memories. It doesn't need to be more complicated.
My point was that it's not complicated. There is no indication they don't remember each other.
In X men 1 it was implied Sabretooth lost his memory, then in Origins Stryker tells Victor he wouldn’t survive the adamantium procedure and in the comics Victor looking more animalistic was a result of his mutation saving him when his body rejected the adamantium, so it’s not at all a continuity error just lazy writing
But it's never implied he lost his memories. My point Is that nothing is even mentioned. It's that vague. Infact since he steals logans dog tags that would tell me he DOES remember him.
This is the problem when they make an origins story, they break the continuity, and thing doesn’t make sense. In the origins movie, wolverine seems to be way stronger and in the first xmen he looks more weaker. It was the first movie so it was a smaller movie, so the origins they make more crazy action sequences with the helicopter, wolverine jumping more higher.
The same happens in the Star Wars movies, C-3PO know who is earth Vader and he doesn’t tell nobody, very simply because this was not planned.
So with origins story they make lots of mistakes.
At least the xmen continuity is not that bad, like in the video explanation, wolverine has no memory of the past, so only saber tooth would recognize wolverine, maybe become more of a beast made him lost his memory, or cannot speak that much. Or very simple he know wolverine lost his memory, there would be no reason for him to reveal he is his brother, wolverine would not beleave him.
I love it.
It's a poor explanation. But i'll allow it. (Since we have no other choice)
@@JoeyAGamer why is it poor?
@@Jake-dm4rk My opinion is that you are trying to stretch to explain. Stretching is not necessary as the movies literally explain most of it. The only thing they do not explain, verbally at least (but yes, visually) is Saber Tooth's not knowing + physical changes. So an enhanced mutation, something that has also happened in the comics, has more appeal to this theory than what you said about them remembering. Yes, although one thing does not necessary exclude the other, if any of them remembered, they would definitely have dialogues about, but that wouldn't be possible because that's the oldest movie and things weren't set in motion yet. So... A lot of trip, but here I am, contributing to commenting in your vid. I'll even drop it a like, but I still feel like it's a big stretch to persuade into accepting something that doesn't really need that deep of understanding.
Now. I do agree with you on one thing or another, such as the recast argument not being retcon. Of course.
@JoeyAGamer well I'll say I made this video because people say the two sabertooths are contradictory. My explanation was that the dialog they had already happened in the 15 year gap. I don't think it's a stretch as much as a new perspective.
It’s stupid
@Jake This video aged well lol. Do one on the new movie
I plan on it. I've just been out of it lately. Been busy and drained. But I plan to
X men 1 sabertooth was in D & W 2024
Yeah I saw that. And they called him logans brother.
This doesn’t explain anything
Why don't you think so?
I feel like sabretooth and Logan both forgot but their senses recognized eachother their fights seemed personal on an unspoken level
Very simple. Logan doesn't remember sabertooth because of striker. Sabertooth is becoming more beastly due to his mutation which explains his appearance change and explains why his memory of Logan may be fleeting but he remembers Logan enough to grab his dog tag and seems to care about it enough to keep it around. It's like a distant memory. He works with striker because of the deal and magneto to help regain his memories which is stated in other media. The things you bring up don't have much backing juggernaut has been retconned to be Charles xavier brother because the timeline was reset and Fox thought they were going to keep the franchise longer. A movie that has brothers on opposite sides and doesn't reference or use it as a story beat is a bad movie. I love these films but there not the gold standard of what X-Men can be.
Sabretooth is coming in Deadpool and Wolverine
Honestly man I consider X-men origins wolverine a whole different alternative universe film then the first 3 I love the movie tho so badass imo
Sabertooth had silver claws in the first x men and beat wolverine so maybe he got some type of metal skeleton
Prequels have terrible continuity. In X-Men 1 Xavier tells Logan about Cerebro, he asks why he doesn't use it to find Magneto. Xavier says "I've been trying but he seems to have found some way to shield himself from it." Like it's a new development. Logan asks "how would he know how to do that" Xavier says "He helped me build it". Then in First Class (prequel to both timelines) Beast is the one who builds Cerebro, and Xavier sees Magneto take the helmet from Shaw and use it to block him out. 😆
I have a video explaining that.
@@Jake-dm4rk I just looked it up and found the parts you talk about that. Good way to try to justify it. But the scene in X-Men 1 he says he's been trying but Magneto seems to have found a way to shield himself from it, and Wolverine clearly asks how he'd know how to do that, and he says he helped me build it. So clearly the way he says it to wolverine it's surprising, and indicates that Magneto himself must have found a way to block him out because he helped build cerebro.
@nathanb1016 but it's so vague that it can work. The first 3 films mentioned things so subtle to be dramatic that there is still wiggle room. Plus take into consideration people don't talk in a 100 percent factual way. It's always speech that's designed for that moment even If it's true.
@@Jake-dm4rk If the events of First Class took place, then wolverine asked him why he doesn't look for magneto with it. Xavier would tell wolverine something like "Back in the 60s Magneto stole a helmet that blocks psychic probing" He wouldn't act like it's a new thing, then equate it to Magneto knowing about how cerebro works because he built it. It is a continuity error in the writing, possibly purposely ignored for what they wanted to do with the prequel.
@@Jake-dm4rk I do like all these movies to various degrees, but they have some of the worst continuity... not THE worst continuity though, that would be the Evil Dead trilogy.
How can Juggernaut possibly be the same dude? He got like 5 feet taller and stopped being british. Also, assuming the x3 juggernaut is his half-brother when they see each other, Charles probably hasn't seen him in years and doesn't even comment on him. Also, Magneto doesn't recognize him when he breaks him out of jail, and he never mention's professor x is his brother him.
There could be so many reasons for all of that.
@@Jake-dm4rk What about thr british thing?
@mathaijacob1345 brain damage from experimentation in the ice box. Or from the increased adrenaline from his enhancements.
@Jake-dm4rk Well that would be a convoluted way of explaining why stopped being british but even then, in Deadpool and Wolverine, Juggernaut is in the void and he looks just like the old juggernaut, (I don't remember if he's still british or not) and even if it was for some other reason that he was much larger, he isn't missing an eye from his fight with colossus.
@mathaijacob1345 in the void, any variation of character can be there since it's the multiverse dumping ground. There is a female quil and a middle eastern psylocke
Sabretooth issue is simple he went through super human experiment in between the end of Origin Wolverine and before the start of X-Men 1
Or the one that I prefer although likely innocent they are two different people they are not the same person
Juggernaut is simple too you can see from X-Men 3 there is at least 10-20 years between Professor X and Juggernaut so in the original timeline they didn’t really have connection yes their parents still met but in the new timeline they have connection they acknowledge each other
I see zero justification or evidence that we need to assume the two characters are the same mutant.
Because of the advertising and the intent of who they are in the comics. They are in the same universe and both supposed to be Sabertooth
Nah if they did have a history they would have brought it up or at least acknowledged. Its a cop out reason like why Mystique and Xavier seemingly have no history together.
Not really. If we watch them in order, we already know their issues. Plus after 15 years between origins and xmen 1, there is no reason to mention it. Haven't you ever seen a movie where the main character refuses to bring up his past issues involving the situation they are in?
All this is moot, Deadpool fixed the timeline
What exactly did he do to "fix " this?
nowadays we call this sort of video: copium
No I don't think it is. I just think people don't look at it like they could. Almost too meta.
I would like to know if you and I might making a video about what is the timeline with Scott Summers, also known as cyclops how come it showed him in first class and leading from that point of view to the idea from days of past then and the X-Men apocalypse could excellent origins be a sequel to it. If you only cover on the age difference with cyclops and also William Stryker and all that, can you come on that as for a video I’ll let you know what you have to say about it if you don’t mind, do you?
I've got ideas on how to deal with that. I'll get to the video eventually