Do I Have an Anti-Fat Bias?
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A doctor saying lose weight while ignoring other symptoms is medical malpractice. I had a slipped disc in my back (from exercising too hard too fast at the recommendation of my doctor) and was in excruciating pain for weeks and my doctor said it was because of my weight without doing any sort of additional testing. I ended up in the ER one day because I was in so much pain I couldn't move. Finally I was able to get into physical therapy which helped me recover. THAT is the anti-fat bias in medicine that is affecting our quality of care.
@MdoubleHB you are crazy
How can you be sure that a disc herniation was not due to excessive weight? It surely adds to the risk along with improper exercise program.
@@marcinmichalski9950 Even if that was the case, the doctor didn't even check for a slipped disk. Due to weight or not, the slipped disk should have been diagnosed and treated.
@@llt6977 The treatment for a slipped disc is conservative, i.e. you do nothing and it goes away. They may prescribe you something for pain and inflammation but that's it. Long term advice is to do lifestyle changes like avoid heavy lifting in awkward position amd prolonged sitting, undertake general exercise routine and... lose weight. If there are no red flags the imaging of any sort is not needed. I fail to see how to lose weight in that scenario is a bad advice or fat shaming.
Is it? Because I met many doctors who gave me the wrong diagnosis because they simply didn't care to listen or take me seriously and I'm not overweight.
Losing weight can help lots of things, but there are many fat people who have not been treated for non-weight-related conditions because the doctor only says lose weight. I think that's what the complaint was actually about.
This. Many fat people have had health problems ignored because the doctor did not do any diagnosis beyond " you need to lose weight". I have read of someone who had a torn meniscus go untreated for over a year because the doctor told them they would be fine if they lose weight. There are many many similar stories.
@@nobodynowhere3322 I have so many similar stories.
this!!! ^
Obesity is linked to hundreds of diseases it kills hundreds of thousands annually. To not acknowledge that as the most probable cause would be like ignoring the fact you smoke. Obesity may of become normalized but it's incredibly dangerous the science behind this is rich and backed by decades of research
@@forestgreen9002 the point the OP is making is that yes obese people need to loose weight, but to say all of a persons medical problems would be fixed if they lost weight ignores serious issues people could possibly have that are not being looked into. I wrote this in another comment, but my mom was overweight and had serious stomach pains and other digestion issues. She went to 6 doctors over the course of a couple of years and none of them wanted to do tests or bloodwork and they just told her to loose weight. She ended up in the hospital with stage 4 stomach cancer that could have been caught at a much more treatable stage if the first doctor did what they were supposed to and run tests instead of just assuming she was having pains because of overeating and a bad diet. No amount of weight loss can make cancer just go away. I don’t think we should glorify being overweight, but doctors shouldn’t ignore overweight/obese people the way they do. There is evidence that women and obese patients are overlooked at a higher rate than others, and that’s something that should be fixed.
I've been obese most of my life. I'm now overweight, nearly at the healthy weight for my BMI. But it did take "body positivity" to help me loose weight. In the sense that I used to have so much shame and hatred for my body that this perpetuated a vicious cycle of binge eating and purging. Until one day I saw these body positive posts and it just helped me to begin to love myself, this reducing the binges. So there are good things about this, but it's been pushed too far and turned on its head
I honestly don’t think fat acceptance/positivity is doing any more harm than shit like Biggest Loser. Jillian Michaels fixated on Lizzos weight being bad but I don’t see anything wrong with normalizing active fat bodies. She’s singing dancing and has other fat women dancing during shows and people call her a bad roll model like she’s sitting on stage eating cheeseburgers. How many entertainers are drug addicts or pervs? I don’t hear much on any other type of vices celebrities have.
Labeling urself like their charts. Is sad.
It’s shocking to me how often I see ppl misuse/confuse the words lose and loose.
@@feofan3778 🤣
@@HinduBoy what charts?
In the span of 4 months, I went from being able to walk 10 miles easily to not being able to walk across a room and could hardly pick up a cup of tea. I was morbidly obese. I knew this. I was doing my best to lose weight and be healthier. But there is something wrong when you tell the doctor about the sudden onset of symptoms and he tells you that you just need to lose weight. That losing weight is the panacea for all ills. I actually had a severe reaction to one of my medications, which caused the breakdown of my muscles - but the doctor was "TOO FAT. LOSE WEIGHT. GO AWAY."
This is the problem. It doesn't help anyone for the only thing to be noticed is someone's weight.
Yes! Fat people know their own bodies and when they tell a doctor that something is very wrong or different they are often ignored for the "lose weight" talk. She completely missed the point of that.
How big exactly are the udders of Swayze?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
@@BrennaMahn yes thanks. Once I worked out that it was the meds causing the muscle wastage I returned back to nearly full recovery.
Yes, your doctor wasn't listening carefully or taking you seriously. It happens to me too, and I'm slender.
As a previously fat person, being going to the doctor with a sore throat - lose weight, injury - lose weight, persistent tummy bug - lose weight. None of those problems are caused by weight, and losing weight won't make tonsillitis go away. But when I went into the doctor when I found out I was pregnant with number 2 and said "I am trying to lose weight, so can you advise me as to how to do this safely during pregnancy". The response was "Just don't put any weight on"...Fat people know they are fat, and most would love to do something about it, but often being overweight should be treated as an eating disorder - It is often a mental health issue. People need actual help to lose weight!!! It has been nearly 4 years since I started my weight loss journey but it is a huge physical and psychological journey that will never end!
I'm not even overweight. I remember that I had pain in my mouth once and I simply told the doctor that I couldn't really eat and that I haven't eaten proper food for days. He pointed at my belly and said: "Well, it sure doesn't look like you starved!" in an ironic undertone like he was implying that I was chubby and that not being able to eat for a few days because of pain was good for me. Btw I am 5'9 and I was something between 150 lbs and 154 lbs back then. I was a young girl and I already had body image issues.
Losing weight during pregnancy is unhealthy period because it puts an additional strain on your body and is counter to what the body is gearing up to endure. So devils advocate the doctor said just don’t gain weight for this reason. It’s healthiest is simply wait until after pregnancy.
I'm a nutritionist and overweight pregnant people should have a smaller weight gain, but it's impossible not to gain any weight and crazy to tell them to lose it while they bodies are growing a whole new human.
I think the thing about doctors at the beginning is being misinterpreted. Some doctors will assume a health complication is purely weight related and will do no further investigation into cause/treatment of that health issue. Yes extra weight can cause a lot of health issues but not every health issue is caused by weight. Reaching a healthy weight won’t always be enough to solve the problem.
This. One of my medications was causing my blood pressure to sky rocket. And both my old GP and psych meds prescriber just put the high blood pressure to my weight. I did lose some weight and it barely touched my blood pressure. I finally demanded to be taken off of the medication. There was other issues not just the blood pressure to be honest I thought mentioning the blood pressure would get her to take me off of it. And of course my blood pressure dropped to a healthy level. And this wasn't the only issue I had with those two. A medication I was put on for my mental health caused me to put on a lot of the weight they judged me for. Yet I also had to fight to be taken off of that medication. 🤬
A lot of medical problems will be made worse by also being overweight.
@@trayas2272 I agree people should work towards a healthy weight. I’m just saying it’s not always enough. I’ve just heard stories of people who were diagnosed with serious medical issues like cancer way too late to do anything about it because because a doctor blew off their early symptoms like “well, you’re fat”
@@trayas2272 but if they don't look beyond weight to diagnose the underlying cause, it won't magically get better if you lose weight. An untreated Type II diabetic will lose weight, sometimes drastically, without trying, but it doesn't fix the fact that insulin isn't working right in their body, only actual medical intervention will truly help that. Someone with severe arthritis pain might feel better if they lose weight but they'll be better able to function (including get exercise) if inflammation and pain management is addressed.
I've had a doctor blame my diagnosed OCD on my weight. My OCD was diagnosed while I was a healthy NCAA athlete so I don't think being a fatty now has anything to do with it.
I think you are misunderstanding Jasmine when it comes to her issues with fat bias particularly when it comes to doctors. You skipped over the "without further analysis part" of the sentence, which I think is critical. She is criticizing the fact that weight loss is always the first thing doctors suggest. They don't look into other possibilities for their symptoms, and even less often do they think that perhaps their weight is a symptom of an underlying issue, not the cause. Even if it isn't, we in healthcare need to acknowledge that larger people are more at risk of serious health complications and often, even if it is due in part to their weight, losing weight will not fix the problem. Healthcare practitioners just continue to tell people to do the very thing many patients have been trying to do for a very long time and sending them on their way with no new knowledge or plan to address their chief complaints. Furthermore, these types of interactions with doctors makes patients less likely to go their doctors, access preventative healthcare, and issues are often diagnosed in later stages with fewer treatment options available.
For example, comedian Jen Curran was ignored and told to lose weight when routine postpartum health evaluations continually found protein in her urine. Chronic proteinuria is a significant finding and should be properly evaluated. However, she was just told to lose weight. Jen didn't like that answer, so she found a new doctor which started a process that ended in her eventually being diagnosed with multiple myeloma, a chronic blood cancer. I don't think the original doctor had any bad intent, but clearly he let his bias towards her size skew his actions and that is the problem we need to fix.
She didn't ignore it. Her whole video is about how doctors should investigate the problem starting with the most probable cause. And the most probable cause for many symptoms is obesity.
It's the scientific method, there is no going around it. Of course 90% of the time the doctor is right and 10% of the time he is wrong. You will obviously hear only that 10% loudly complaining and not know about all the other cases.
This thing that "people don't want to go to their doctor because they don't like what they hear" is stupid.
The role of a doctor is to tell you the truth. Can you imagine a parent going to a teacher saying "you have to give my kid better grades, his bad grades are making him not want to go to school"......
Exactly how big are the udders of Swayze?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a smart and nice girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
@@dp2404as op stated, uv skipped the "without further analysis" part
@@dp2404 Yes obesity can be the cause of many health concerns, but that doesn't mean weight loss is the only treatment a person needs. When a person's hypertension gets to a certain point, it is unsafe simply to tell the patient to lose weight without adding any other type of treatment. That is something doctors overlook. There's also the fact that doctors forget that obese people are at the same risk for all the same things as non obese people just with the added risks that come with obesity. I would compare it to the "trans broken leg syndrome" where. When trans people seek medical care doctors often jump to the hormones being the cause of the problem, forgetting about the rest of the body. Like I said, this happens to overweight and obese people too and I think it is far more than 10% of the time.
I don't think people stop going to the doctor because they don't like what they hear. I think people stop going to the doctor because they don't want to pay a copay when they know exactly what they are going to hear and know it is not going to help them. A lot of obese people are actively trying to lose weight, but it isn't working. The doctor saying "lose weight," isn't exactly news to them. If that truly is the treatment a person needs, they need further support to do so (sometimes dietitians, sometimes weight loss drugs, sometimes weight loss surgery). That isn't happening.
You misunderstood the bit about the doctor. She’s referring to doctors refusing to run tests on fat people for non weight related concerns, as well as dismissing any and all concerns as solvable through weight loss.
Yes! Exactly! I just commented the same thing (much less succinctly) 😅
I personally know of two people with medical conditions (neither weight related: one was a skin condition that required antibiotics, one was ongoing nerve damage as a result of medical malpractice) & both their Doctors' first comment was 'lose weight'.
ETA: as someone who's not overweight, they have to work down the trio of orders: "stop smoking, drink less"
And even when I *stopped* smoking, the response was "well don't start again".
I understand they have a duty of care but it grates to be preached at when it's completely unrelated to the reason you're seeking help. Especially when it's "do as I say, not as I do"
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
@@mdoublehb2738 I normally just report your comments as spam but I can't just ignore you making absolutely disgusting personal attacks like those. You should be ashamed of yourself
Reported as harassment
@@hannahmitchell87 I had a friend who was in terrible abdominal pain intermittently for years. Doctor kept telling her to lose weight. She actually did. It didn't help because she had kidney stones and needed surgery.
I don't see any problem with further fat representation in media. Just a fat character existing doesn't implicitly endorse being fat. Fat people exist - why shouldn't media reflect that?
I don't even see a problem with fat people loving themselves or having confidence while being fat. Beauty is subjective and plenty of people are sincerely attracted to fat people (even outside of weird fetishism). I don't think that sentiment implicitly means that a fat person wouldn't work to improve their health just because they don't feel like ending it all whenever they pass a mirror.
Health is not subjective though, being fat is unhealthy it drives the costs of healthcare up. Everyone should be fatphobic
@@Peopleofthesun386 I’m more interested in treating fat people like actual human beings, thank you very much. Please educate yourself about anti-fat bias in medicine and the neglect it causes. (Surprise, even sometimes there are health conditions that cause weight gain that go untreated because doctors refuse to do anything but prescribe weight loss. Also your particular brand of toxicity can exacerbate mental health issues which can also contribute to weight gain. So even if you continue to hate fat people and think everyone should fit your “health” standards, it’s in your best interest to fight against anti-fat bias - especially in medicine)
@@Peopleofthesun386 Wow it's a good thing I said /beauty/ is subjective and not health then, huh? Speak for yourself. If you dislike or mistreat fat people literally just because they're fat then you're a piece of shit. That goes for smokers, too. Others' poor lifestyle habits and America's shitty, expensive healthcare system doesn't justify you also being shitty, stay mad.
How big exactly are the udders of Swayze?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
Doctors will prescribe weight loss rather than actually investigating to figure out if weight IS the problem too often. The problem isn’t doctor’s prescribing weight loss, it’s when doctors prescribe weight loss without looking for confounding factors and without listening to their patients’ concerns. The tests may be redundant, but how would the doctor know without running them? That’s their job. I went to the doctor for stomach problems and they ran urine and blood tests and all of my results were fine. Because of that, we know it’s likely a digestive-related issue not a hormonal one and I can go see a gastro-intestinal doctor to get an endoscopy. Their job is to run tests and figure out what’s wrong with you. Not just look at you and assume weight is your only problem. They can tell you you should lose weight, but they should verify that’s the only source of the problem…
Excess weight is the most likely issue killing over 300,000 U.S citizens annually. That's half of the covid deaths everys single year.
How big exactly are the udders of Swayze?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
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They tell you to lose weight because being obese on its own can cause problems so it can mask underlying issues. Further if you're ill, obesity will exacerbate your condition.
When people think they are fat and healthy it’s that they are young. How many 50 year old that are a 100 lbs over weight have no medical issues related to obesity?
It's true youth is reckless. The same can be said for any vices, food, drugs, alcohol, smoking, vapes, lethargy.. time catches up with you, even as youth conceives invincibility.
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
Good point. We see MANY older people developing cancer now due to smoking cigarettes in their youth (as it was a different time). Same idea.
Two minutes, fifty seconds in: What the article said was "Doctors are telling fat people to lose weight and -nothing else-, while they order scans, bloodwork, etc for thin people WITH EXACTLY THE SAME SYMPTOMS" This isn't educating fat people, it's putting symptoms on being fat as the cause when they may very well have a different cause. As a fat person I've been there. It's dangerous. Just saying. It took forever for my medical team to figure out I have a very rare genetic anomaly...😔
11:30 minutes in: Agree. I love myself, I'm awesome. My body fat isn't. I'm moving as much as I can, I eat as healthy as I can, I'm losing weight slowly (not least BECAUSE my genetic anomaly makes it very hard for my body to break down fat), but still, if I hadn't stood up for myself at some point I wouldn't even be here to try and lose this freaking weight now. 😑
Does obesity make me sick? Yes. Is it the root cause of all my health problems? Nope. And do I deserve ridicule and patronizing "worried" people telling me to walk more when I literally can't because my freaking body doesn't work normally no matter my weight? Also nope. 🤷🏻♀️
13:34 No you can't. I'm not making unhealthy lifestyle choices. The unhealthy lifestyle chose me. I live in a rural area, I walk more than most people, there's literally no junk food in my house because I cook for my (luckily slim and healthy, none of my kids inherited my defective genes) kids, and I'm on a prescribed liquid formula via a feeding tube for most of my life. No control over the calories that go in my body because I can't eat. My body can't break down fat. I regularly have the fat equivalent of dialysis because of that. Now tell me about my lifestyle "choices".
Parentheses why? Well, people aren't just fat because they willingly make bad lifestyle choices. There are many root causes for being fat (mental health comes to mind, childhood trauma), and telling people to "simply lose weight" is equivalent to saying "don't have kidney cancer" to a person with kidney cancer. It needs treatment of the symptoms AND the root causes. And love, care, dignity.
19:32 "We don't need more vegan fat people"
We need more vegan people! The planet needs more vegan people. If they're also fat, so what? I don't think making fat vegan's weight a topic or their "brand" is necessary, but if a fat person decides to go vegan and is excited to share their journey, I say hell yeah! Go ahead fat vegan person, I'd watch you! Bonus if it motivates other fat people to go vegan too. 🤷🏻♀️💙
Yes! particularly if your issues are women's health related. In that case the only advice given is lose weight and go on the pill.
@McChicken Permission to Party Looks like I accidentally lost the "lifestyle choice" part in my last edit. I'm sorry, I'll try to get it back. I'd hug you back btw. You're worthy of the best possible care no matter your weight, and the root causes of being fat aren't always "our fault" or a simple "lifestyle choice". Love yourself and then do what's best for yourself, including working on the root causes for your obesity. 💪😇💙
yes thank you so much
Yes ^^
As a fat vegan (5’5 200lbs) I can fucking hug the shit out of you
I was prescribed weight loss for my torrential period and period pain....turns out I had endo. Big fun.
Don't most doctors advocate for a healthy bmi as a way of mitigating endometriosis symptoms? Seems like maybe weightless was an appropriate prescription?
@@fuzzycatbutts not as a first call and without any furthur testing **eye roll**
@@MisaloSloe It it one of the cheapest, safest, least-invasive treatments. So...yeah. it is generally one of the first recommendations from medical providers.
I know plenty of women with endometriosis who aren't overweight. Maybe in some cases weight loss may help, but in the majority of cases, weight doesn't have much to do with it.
Fat shaming doesn’t help people lose weight.
But IGNORING the elephant in the room (accusing doctors of not doing their job) doesn't help either.
I work with obese clients. This is far beyond over eating and processed food.
Mental health is vital for physical health. Remember this.
Always great videos.
Having been overweight at many times in my life, the only part about the fat acceptance movement I agree with is that the average person should not comment about or harass you about your weight. Close friends, family and medical professionals should encourage you kindly to get to a healthy weight and provide you tools to do so, because they want you in their life for longer.
Kind family encouragement led me to anorexia. Every approach should be tailored to the specific person. And I don’t think just talking at someone would help a lot of people.
Are you kidding? The obesity crisis made the covid crises much worse. Dr. Fauci is on video saying that the lockdown efforts were initially pushed because America is obese. Obesity is driving national health care costs up, a portion of which is carried by the public. Sorry, EVERYONE has a right to demand fat people lose weight.
@@shieldofdr3588 If it didn't worsen the problem in every conceivable way imaginable. You need to read a book about shame, those tactics do not work.
@@brittniep9219 Reality should, Obesity kills that is a fact
@@shieldofdr3588 I agree
As someone who works in death care, weight is among the worst comorbidities, but nobody wants to have that conversation.
who is the nobody? Because all fat people I know are CONSTANTLY told exactly that, the extra weight will kill them. But the conversation we don't have is how to solve that issue since traditional weight loss through shame does not work.
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
@@brittniep9219 I'm not a health expert by any means so I leave it to the professionals to best handle those topics. I'm also aware everyone's case is a unique one. I only speak from my experience and that's being overweight overwhelmingly puts people at risk of heat exhaustion and more recently Covid. Shame is not the intent but I've met people who when suggested diet and exercise will feel as though they're being talked down to, which is where the difficulty comes in.
@McChicken Permission to Party Where do trans people fit into this exactly? As a gay man and also with a trans sibling I don't much appreciate the implication or generalization you're making here.
It's not about doctors telling patients to loose weight, it's about assuming that's what's causing the symptoms without further investigation.
This is adressed in this video. Most of the time obesity IS correlated or the cause of the issues they went to the doctor in the first place. It makes sense to start by weightloss, which obese people need to do anyways, so even if they loose weight and they continue with x problem they just need to inform the doctor, but the weight loss was still a net positive for that person health. Doctors shouldn't waste resources or force patients to pay for studies when the most likely cause of their problems is the fact that they are overweight.
This is not a "Hey doctor I constantly have headaches" "Loose weight" scenarios we're talking about, we are talking about issues that are correlated or caused by being overweight (and most likely are) BUT can still be caused by other things.
If your knees hurts and you are +70 kilos over your normal weight it makes sense for a doctor to reccomend to start by weightloss instead of xray on the knees and other tests.
In more life threatening situations you are checked and tested in multiple ways while being put on a diet to loose weight, as you don't know the cause yet.
If a doctor tells you your problem is most likely cause by your weight then the chances are he's most likely correct.
Sometimes doctors do recommend weight loss in instances that are not right, but this is not the vast majority of cases, we should listen to doctors.
@@matiasmartinez720 You know what the doctor should do.Say lose weight but also do the fucking test that you would give anyone else who wasn't obese instead of ignoring that there could be other underlying issues that can get serious and that could kill these people.. .
Oh I'm having problems with my stomach and the doctor just says to lose weight .But it's actually a mass and cancereous and I could potentially die because I waited so long to get it treated because the doctor said lose weight first.
What the doctor needs to do is their job
@@s.o.1992 It's not for the doctor to decide that. If it's chronic for a skinny person it'll check it but if it's chronic for an obese person Then it's just their weight until when? Should they have to wait until they could barely walk anymore for the doctor to actually look at it
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
Girl, it's right there in the first picture:
"doctors regularly advise weight loss, WITHOUT FURTHER ANALYSIS, to fat patients while recommending blood work, CAT scans, or physical therapy for patients of smaller size experiencing the same symptoms."
That's the definition of medical bias, and is incredibly common.
You even read that quote out loud but chose to completely ignore the part the article is actually about.
How did you read that and turn it into: "fat people don't like doctors telling them to lose weight" and "doctors aren't biased, it's just that fat people don't like being criticized", is beyond me.
You seem to believe that medical exams are somehow "wasted" on fat patients, which is fifty shades of fucked up.
And you also seem to believe that fat = obese, when that's not the case. Fat/overweight people can be healthy just like underweight people can be healthy.
Fat/overweight is not the opposite of healthy; it's simply the opposite of underweight.
From the way you behave in this video, I'd say that you're definitely biased against fat people. You do all you can to misinterpret their arguments and discredit their experiences. You even compare being fat to cancer.
Fat people definitely deserved representation in media. Fat people exist. Just like underweight people exist (in pretty much every movie). Why shouldn't they be represented? Just admit you don't want to have to look at fat people and go smh.
Fat is not the opposite of anorexic. It's the opposite of underweight.
Underweight people can be healthy, just like overweight people can be healthy.
Obese is not the opposite of anorexic, either. The opposite of anorexic is healthy.
People have been saying for years to leave Eugenia alone. But again, she has nothing to do with this convo as stated above.
And for the last time: stop using fat as a synonym for obese, and stop comparing being fat to cancer.
Thank you !!!
I would have to agree with you, usually she makes very well researched videos but she COMPLETELY missed the point of the article she was reading. I'm very disappointed in this, and I think it's irresponsible to talk about this without acknowledging the medical bias against treating overweight people to the same standard of care as non-overweight people.
@@gracecassidy5854 I mean near the end she compared fat people to cancer, so I'm speechless.
"Do I have anti-fat bias? Well, yes, just like I have anti-cancer bias."
🤦🏾♀️
Came to say this. Thank you for saying it better than I could have
@@FateWorseThanDeath thank you for your support 👍
You are totally misreading that 1st paragraph. What it's talking about is the fact that the weight isn't the only problem an obese person could have. Many doctors don't even try to see beyond the weight. Many over weight people don't Get properly diagnosed until it's too late for things like cancers and and bone damage because the doctor will only see the weight and won't do the proper test to see if there's anything else going on. Your stomachs hurting, oh it's just the weight. Your knees are in pain, oh it's just the weight. It couldn't possibly be cancer. If a skinny person has similar symptoms skinny people will get tests for that but if iit's an obese person then oh it's just your weight
Thank you. She's just willfully misunderstanding things at this point.
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
I agree with others that the article's point was how doctors assume being overweight is the cause of every malady without doing sufficient investigation. There are studies about this problem for overweight pregnant women whose problems are ignored because the medical system assumes it's obesity-linked.
Additionally, I don't think you're up-to date enough on the root causes of obesity which even researchers are still struggling to understand. While the situation isn't totally hopeless, people who have been obese since childhood (which is now a huge number of people) are effectively crippled for weight loss due to hormonal reprogramming. Calories in, calories out simply does not account for a messed up, pro-inflammatory microbiome or insulin resistance which can literally mean that people of the same height, age, and gender could eat the same amounts of food can be vastly different weights. You're very confident in the assumption that someone's physical appearance lets you know if they exercise and what they eat, and the science doesn't necessarily back you up. The HAES movement is dangerous for the reasons you said, but your response is like telling people with malaria to cure themselves with herbal remedies. A few lucky ones would manage to find quinine and be cured, but the rest would slowly sicken and die because to cure deadly, chronic diseases we need modern science and medicine which still do not have good cures for obese people.
HAES is extreme, but it is functionally an angry and defensive response to the thinking you partially promote-- the idea that obesity is solely an individual's and not society's responsibility to fix. Who pumped our food full of corn syrup making children sick in the first place? Who insists dieting is the cure without providing largely effective treatments?
Blanket statements about how doctors treat medical conditions differently in overweight vs healthy weight patients in the example of the beginning of this video are so incredibly lacking in context. For example, a general complaint of knee pain is incredibly nonspecific, that’s why we’re trained to ask follow up questions. A simple knee pain complaint with no other context can be due to a myriad of conditions from injury/fracture, osteoarthritis, or septic arthritis, for example. Some diagnoses can be determined clinically and don’t need further testing. Losing weight in an overweight patient with knee pain consistent of osteoarthritis is an appropriate first treatment plan and doesn’t necessarily warrant further work up with no other alarm symptoms. However, knee pain in a patient with effusion and severe pain with significant limitation in range of motion may warrant further work up like imaging or an arthrocentesis. Anecdotal statements like ‘’my overweight friend with knee pain was told to lose weight but my thin friend had x-rays done” doesn’t inherently mean the overweight patient was treated improperly. As doctors, we try to limit unnecessary testing when possible. Testing can not only be costly, but some tests can be invasive and have side effects like radiation exposure. We’re trained to start with the least invasive treatment plans where it makes sense to do so. More testing doesn’t necessarily equal better care, sometimes it can actually result in the opposite, exposing patients to invasive and costly procedures and testing. This is why we’re trained in medical school to ask about risk factors for various conditions and determine the best treatment plan for the individual. No two complaints are ever the same and thus, no two treatments are either. In fact, overweight patients with chest pain are more likely to have acute coronary syndrome than healthy weight patients, and would likely warrant a further work up. It’s all dependent on the nature of the symptoms and the risk factors of the patient so I don’t know how so many people can make such a blanket statement that doctors treat overweight patients worse by nature of their weight. They may be treated differently, as we all should be, based on risk factors for certain disease. It’s important to view the patient holistically in order to tailor the best treatment plan for that particular individual.
Heck, it could even be as simple as the shoes they’re wearing.
Most people are reacting emotionally and can't look at objective facts. That is why they don't understand the scientific method used by doctors and the strict protocols they have to make sure they are not overlooking anything or putting people at risk.
Thank you for your eloquent comment!
This is so dismissive. Doctors always assume that fatness is the cause of ANY issue rather than the result or symptom of said issue.
@@Dolleemixtures How is advising that doctors should treat patients holistically with keeping risk factors and cost vs. benefits of additional testing in mind dismissive? I’m not saying that overweight people are never mistreated; I’m sure that happens, and it’s unfortunate that it does. I was just stating that such blanket claims warrant more context. As with most things in life, there’s often more than meets the eye.
@@dp2404 I'm a physics teacher and I understand the scientific method. But, when a doctor hears my complaints, and says to me "you should lose weight" and ends the meeting there it's disrespectful. I had back pains that were caused by bad shoes. I had to use the scientific method on my own to reach that conclusion. If the doctor would have asked a few simple questions he would save me a few weeks of back pain.
As an ex fat person, I’m glad you’re on the right side of this for the most part. Being overweight, specifically obese, is not healthy. Period. Miles from “Healthy Crazy Cool” put it well when he said, “worth at every size, not health”.
Health at every size doesn't mean every person is healthy at every size. That's the misconception.
In my opinion, the focus in weight loss can be detrimental because of the stigma and a better approach could be to focus on creating healthy habits.
There is strong scientific consensus to support this approach but fat phobia runs very deep in our culture so the focus is usually on body size/shape
I had a suicide attempt. I am 5'9 (176cm) and taller than most girls with broad shoulders, hips, long arms and legs. I had 149 lbs (68kg). When I entered the hospital they immediately asked for my weight (which I guess was important because I took pills). They wrote in my report: "The *slightly obese* girl (149!!!) arrived in hospital". And yes - They had written my weight in brackets with exclaimation marks and all as if 149 lbs was super fat and obese. And keep in mind I'm 5'9. This is what you want to read after a suicide attempt. There were times in my teens when I was between 155 lbs and 165 lbs (70kg-75kg) which isn't super skinny but it's certainly not fat or obese for my height. I remember that doctors treated me as if I was super fat when I was a preteen and teen. I remember that one of them said that I should skip the candy because I want to find a husband one day. I heard all kinds of body shaming as a child and teen when I was maybe slightly chubby at best but not even overweight. This gave me huge body image issues. Looking back I believe it has to do with sexism/misogyny and the body standards we had back then. Of course it were old white men telling me these things.
5'9 and 150 lbs is as thin as you could be without being unhealthy!
At least, I am built like you describe, with the long body, broad shoulders, big feet etc. I've always been very strong and heavy.
In high school I was 160 lbs, and would get bruises from my hip bones if I rolled on a hard surface during gym class. I wasn't skinny, but not fat either. (Although I felt huge, just because many of my friends were tiny and short)
In the first year of university, I went down to 150 lbs, because I didn't want to waste money buying gross cafeteria food and walked at least 10 km each day. I lost my boobs and my bones were visible, and I was hungry most of the time and ate like a vacuum cleaner at home on the weekends😂
I think I was healthy still, but that's not a sustainable lifestyle. Now that I'm older and fatter, and three kids later, I'd be delighted to get down to 170, and perfectly happy with 180. I think that would be perfect.
I do think "big bones" is a thing. Or maybe muscle mass? I don't know, but I'm extremely solid, and am much heavier than people expect from how I look.
It's disgusting that they'd write that about you. Especially in the past, being small and delicate was almost a requirement for being a good person, it felt like.
In books and movies, the main character is tiny but fierce, and the bad or stupid characters are all big and clumsy. It messes with a big kid's mind. 😢
Have you seen Encanto? I love Luisa, I wish she'd been around when I was younger. She's huge, strong, and she's still typed as pretty and "good"!
What does sexism or misogyny have to do with a doctor telling someone whether they’re overweight or underweight, what lol
Heads up the first five minutes of this video UV's based her analysis off of her own misunderstanding of what the writer was saying. The quote was "doctors regularly advise weight loss, *without further analysis*, to fat patients while recommending blood work, CAT scans or physical therapy for patience of smaller size experiencing the same symptoms". The writer was pointing out that some healthcare workers dismiss medical issues as a symptom of simply being overweight and fat people are less likely to get the treatment they need or even a proper diagnosis because of their size. She wasn't saying it was wrong for doctors to recommend weight loss to an overweight patient but to just recommend weight loss when a patient has come to you with any number of possible medical issues and not look any further is dismissive, irresponsible, dangerous, and discriminatory to overweight people.
+1. Well argued! I was bristling when I heard UV clearly mis-read what the article said. Annoying!
It’s definitely a thing that happens more than I think she’d like to admit. My mom went to 6 doctors over the course of a couple of years saying she had severe stomach pains and they all told her to stop eating so much and to make weight loss her focus(they thought the pain was because she was overeating because she was fat). It turned out to be stage 4 stomach cancer. I think being overweight shouldn’t just be accepted as much as HAES pushes because there are serious illnesses that nobody should have to deal with, but doctors dismissing people to the point where they could possibly die because of a personal disgust of fat people is absolutely unacceptable
Came to make this exact comment. I think it is totally reasonable for a doctor to prescribe weight loss. Not okay for them to discount any other treatments just because a person is fat.
@@thecaptain8624 That is definitely a problem, and fat acceptance is definitely not a solution to it. The solution is enforcing standardized treatment recommendations based on up to date literature like the UK does, instead of allowing individual doctors to choose how to treat patients on a per-case basis. That's how you avoid stupid biases and some patients getting disproportionate time and resources over others.
@@disregardable I absolutely agree. Especially because her weight gain was a symptom of the cancer, but they didn’t believe her when she said she couldn’t eat more than a cup of food a day. It’s a tragic story really, and I think there’s a lot of training that needs to be done to reverse personal biases in the medical industry
Why can we objectively look at Eugenia Cooney and decide she is unhealthy based on her appearance but when we do it to someone who is obese it is “ fat shaming “?
It’s a complete double standard .
Yet change it to "thin" and there is crickets.
It's either both or neither you can't just pick and choose.
If you are 50 pounds overweight and you’re going to a doctor you probably have tried to lose weight at some point. If it had been successful then you wouldn’t still have 50 pounds to lose. So the doctors need to look at why you haven’t lost the 50 pounds and determine whether it is psychological, physical, emotional and help you come up with a plan that will actually facilitate losing the 50 pounds. Just hearing “you need to lose 50 pounds is of no use to anyone. Also… if people have a medical condition and they lose weight and it doesn’t go away they could die because of the amount of time it took them to get an actual diagnosis. And I am well aware that obesity concerning but… telling people to lose weight without going deeper is not a way to help people.
@@plantbasedanalyst6263 It’s not real simple. People get put on low fat diets all the time and it doesn’t work. You’re also missing the point. If there is an underlying medical condition then it won’t matter what the person eats. If you’re thyroid isn’t working I don’t care what diet you go on, you’re not gonna lose weight. If you have gallbladder issues, you’re not going to lose weight. Just telling people to lose weight is not an effective strategy.
I feel like in that case people also need to do their own research and understand why they over consume. A doctor won’t be there 24/7 so while they know a lot of information they won’t know a lot of information about you. Such as what kind of foods you’re consuming, what your metabolic rate is, what your physical activity lvl is, etc
Being fat is not healthy but it doesn’t mean they deserve to be treated like trash. And this is coming from someone who was at 250 pounds at one point. It’s hurtful to hear people bringing up your weight constantly BUT you shouldn’t run away from your truth and at a certain weight your only fooling yourself.
I agree. No one should be treated badly.
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
In 2018 at 218 pounds I decided I didn't want to see 220, so I changed. I lost almost 50lbs and lots of aches and pains. Unfortunately covid coupled with depression has seen me shoot back up 40lbs. I love myself no matter what but there is no denying that I'm in pain again, it's directly related to my weight. I am on the right track again and am heading in the right direction.
Hey there, I've followed for a long time but this video has me considering unsubscribing. I have several problems with some of the points you made, which of course no one is going to agree completely, but the most egregious to me is this: the argument, when it comes to doctors suggesting weight loss instead of running diagnostic tests, was severely misrepresented here. You used diabetes as a straw man to argue against. OF COURSE a doctor is going to suggest weight loss to an overweight patient complaining of diabetes-like symptoms. Where this example falls apart, though, is the doctor isn't going to prescribe weight loss and then send the patient on their way. It takes TIME to lose that significant of an amount of weight. These patients could die in the interim. This is a scenario where the development of type 2 diabetes is strongly linked to obesity, as you said, but it is NOT a scenario where a doctor would refuse tests and instead dismissively prescribe weight loss, as was argued within the article; you're arguing something different entirely. The doctor would absolutely run tests, prescribe medication if indicated, and additionally prescribe weight loss.
Instead, the problem is doctors dismissing any and all unexplained symptoms of OTHER potential conditions as being somehow linked to weight and therefore prescribing weight loss, even when there is no actual link between the particular condition and obesity, or worse, when the condition itself CAUSES obesity.
For example, imagine a fat person presenting with an irregular period that was so heavy and unpredictable that it was immensely negatively impacting the person's life. The article here is arguing against doctors saying "well, being fat causes hormone imbalances, and those hormone imbalances are what's causing your symptoms, so in order to alleviate those symptoms, you have to lose weight," and not running any further diagnostic tests.
Why is this a problem? Yes, these symptoms could be due to being overweight, but they could also be due to hypothyroidism or PCOS, among other things I'm sure. If either of those conditions is present, the doctor has just sent this person, whose obesity is caused, at least in part, by that condition, with the instruction to lose weight, despite the easily identifiable condition making that nearly impossible. So now you have a person whose suffering has been prolonged by months or even years because the doctor assumed a causal link between their symptoms and obesity , BUT IN THE WRONG DIRECTION, without performing the most basic of tests as to whether that was true. These tests, meanwhile, would have most likely been given had the person presenting with those symptoms been within the "average" range of size.
Regardless, even if the person's symptoms are indeed caused by their obesity, prescribing weight loss and refusing to diagnose further precludes the patient from any kind of medicinal relief. Again, it takes time to lose weight. Telling someone to lose weight before you'll help them is immeasurably cruel when there may well be medications and other therapies which exist and could improve their quality of life to a point where they would even have the mental and physical energy to make the daily choices required to actually lose weight. Saying it's wasteful to run these tests when the person could, in theory, just power through another few months or years of suffering to get rid of their symptoms via weight loss makes it seem like only thin people are morally worthy of treatment and that fat people must suffer for their choices.
Again, I don’t want this to read as an "I don’t like what you're saying so I'm unsubscribing" message. I'm not, at least right now. I just would like for you to consider the nuances you've missed, and I trust that you will be open to this based on other works of yours. I was honestly very surprised with the cherry-picking of diabetes to use as an argument, as I've seen you (rightly) tear down others who've done the same thing. I've also seen you offer corrections and reconsider things in the past, and for this reason I believe this was an oversight and not a bad faith argument on its face.
This is very well said, and in fact reflects my personal experience as a person with PCOS who went untreated for many years.
@@nobodynowhere3322 I can't imagine how hard that must've been. My roommate in college had no problem getting diagnosed with PCOS, but couldn't find anyone to help her after the fact, even though she gained 100 pounds in a year.
It was really hard for her mental health-wise to see how similarly we lived and ate, yet to see me stay the same size and herself gaining weight uncontrollably. She sought out help from a therapist who surmised that she must have a binge eating problem purely because of her rapid weight gain without taking into account her PCOS, and she therefore tailored the therapy she provided my roommate to her eating habits, rather than helping her form a healthier relationship with her body, thereby not addressing her mental health concerns whatsoever.
This is a different side of the coin, but yet another example of a person with a fat body being treated as fat first and foremost and a person second. The therapy could've been immeasurably more effective if the therapist would've seen past my roommate's weight and attempted to help her accept the cause of her problem, rather than suggesting (I wish this was a joke) that my roommate binge on baby carrots next time she felt like bingeing. I don’t even think that's a recognized strategy for dealing with a binge eating disorder, rather, the therapist just suggested a way to binge without getting fat, as if my roommate's weight, not the way her weight was making her FEEL, was the problem.
Treating people this way makes medicine MUCH more ineffective and bloated than actually listening to, testing, and treating fat people. You can either help solve a problem when it starts, or you can ignore it until it causes further, compounding problems that are even more difficult and expensive to fix, not to mention too acute to just send people home with a directive to eat less and move more.
Telling someone to lose weight instead of treating them is especially heinous with what we now know about most people's ability to lose and keep off weight; that is, the vast majority of people who lose large amounts of weight eventually gain it back. When this is the known outcome, saying "just lose weight" is an asinine solution, because it isn't, because it stops working. When 90% of people who take a certain medicine develop some sort of tolerance to it and it stops working, does the doctor just prescribe it again, or do they explore other options? Do they even continue prescribing it if there are other treatment options available that don't have such a high rate of eventual failure?We already know that the weight loss solution IS going to stop working for a vast majority of those who even manage it in the first place, so why aren't other options explored? Only thing I can think of is... fatphobia.
If you're not a doctor you really can't comment on this strawman epidemic of doctors mistreating fat people.
Yeah fat people have a lot of health problems and the doctors know those issues won't go away until they lose weight or eat better food that doesn't hurt their heart. Yes they could die before their next doctors appointment. If that doesn't scare them enough to lose weight there's no test the doctor can do to help them. They just want to keep going to the doctor until they are diagnosed for something so they can say it's not their fault.
The doctors should be recommending therapist that specialize in disordered eating. That would be more productive. Thats what my doctor did for me in college that finally got me on an anxiety medication and abolished my eating disorder.
Also that's pretty toxic of you to unfilled someone because they have one opinion you disagree with. Super manipulative of you to even threaten instead of just doing it. Did you really think you and this random woman on the internet would agree on every topic ever? That's completely irrational.
@@ReginaApple007 1) you don’t need to be a doctor to understand logical fallacies. If you're going to go that route, why not go after Swayze for being the one to bring up a medical condition (diabetes) in the first place.
2) you literally just said it's better for people to die of diabetes than have the doctor run tests, as I used the example of dying before their next appointment SPECIFICALLY as it pertained to diabetes, and yet still completely ignored the fact that diabetes is actually something that does get diagnosed and treated in fat people. You missed the entire point.
3) As I said, maybe you should try rereading, I am FINE with not agreeing with someone on 100% of points. Because nobody is going to agree 100% on everything. Again, if you read again, you would see that my problem wasn't disagreeing as that's to be expected. My problem is the misrepresentation of the issue posed by the article by equating obesity-caused illnesses, like diabetes, to ALL possible conditions, when there are thousands of other things that can go wrong with a person regardless of their weight.
5) it is interesting for you to call me manipulative for calling out someone else manipulating an argument in such a way as to obfuscate the actual issue being presented.
6) you just proved my point. I am glad your doctor listened to you about your anxiety and treated you accordingly. Now imagine if they had told you "oh just gain weight" or "just lose weight," and left you to struggle with your eating disorder for god knows how much longer? Doesn't sound good, does it? Pretty great you had the opportunity to be taken seriously about your mental health and issues with food, would be nice if that extended to fat people as a whole!
The balance lies in being against fat-shaming (which means accepting fat models, singers, etc without unnecessarily arguing about they being "ugly") and offering better resources for weight loss. It´s totally possible to promote weight loss by focusing on a positive message about its benefits, instead of criticizing people for being visible in the media while being "fat" and "ugly".
But when it comes to underweight individuals, think Eugenia Cooney, you can unequivocally critique how it's wrong. Only the other way around do you have to dance around the issue that being overweight is not healthy, nor okay.
How big exactly are the udders of Swayze?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
There is a HUGE difference between having "chubby" models and obese models.
We should normalize people who have a 25 BMI, with a little fat, a little cellulite etc. I don't think it is helpful to have a model with a BMI of 30. Just like I wouldn't want one with a BMI below 18.
Singers, that's different. They are supposed to be good at what they do, not necessarily be pretty or healthy.
P.s. I don't see many people criticizing someone just for existing as a fat person. People get criticized for promoting it and denying scientific studies about the dangers of obesity. Plus being overly offended about everything, like many people in the US like to be nowadays.
I have an endocrine disorder that has caused me to put on a lot of weight and causes severe fatigue. I'm vegan, eat around 1600 calories a day, and get my 10000 steps in. I'm still gaining weight because my of my hormones. It was really painful to hear you say you "know" what kind of lifestyle I have just because I'm fat
@@aliendroneservices6621 I had PCOS before I became vegan
you lost me when you started going on about worrying that the body positivity movement is glorifying obesity. I honestly thought you were better than that.
"without further analysis" is a key part you're missing. If you're paying through the roof for medical coverage having a doctor take a reductive view of a physical injury by leading with "you should lose weight" (this happens, a lot) is counter productive. Also saying "Lose weight" is problematic in the sense that "okay what's the proven way to do that." if you're so willing to challenge people's arguments with "where's the basis for that" please tell us the basis for the proven way to lose weight.
calories in vs calories out. its not rocket science.
@@catmeatlover99 calories in calories out is not science. That's made up weight stigma nonsense. In a perfect world it would be calories in calories out but we don't live in a perfect world where everybody is perfectly healthy and has zero metabolic conditions, takes zero medications unrelated to their weight and is physically able to be active. Stop with the lies
@@laighacamren3061 not to mention that calorie counts on food are incredibly inaccurate and unless you’re paying to have specific medical tests done, it’s really fucking hard to know your actual basal metabolic rate and the algorithms used by calorie counting apps and even smart watches and fitbits that consider more data than just height, weight, and sex can easily be off by 500 calories!!!! In the US food packaging still meets regulations if it’s up to 20% off the actual calorie count. And whole foods are even harder to get an accurate calorie count on. Ugh. People have such a bullshit understanding of nutrition and think they’re experts. it’s so frustrating.
@@laighacamren3061 "Calories in, calories out" is an elementary truth, it literally cannot be incorrect.
If a medication or a medical condition makes you gain weight, that's because it caused you to either ingest more calories ("calories in") or burn fewer calories ("calories out"), or both. There are no other options, unless you believe that matter (body mass in this case) can vanish in and out of existence.
Now, TDEE calculators online can obviously give you misleading figures, but that's not a problem. If you're not losing weight on a given caloric budget, just lower it until you do.
@@doudline2662 You know you just contradicted yourself. Or you don’t understand the actual argument, you can’t properly calculate calories in calories out. I went on a medication that made me gain 25 pounds over the course of 10 days. And I was taking this medicine while I was in the midst of an eating disorder so I can assure you that I wasn’t eating more. There is a thing called water weight that people have no control over
She wasn’t saying that doctors need to stop telling people to lose weight. She is saying that they should ALSO work with the patient to see if there are any additional factors.
One time I had meningitis, and I went to the doctor. They told me that I was experiencing symptoms common to “obese patients with high blood pressure” despite the fact that I didn’t have high blood pressure and they proceeded to use high-pressure sales tactics to try and get me to sign up for bariatric surgery for 20 minutes. My roommate who brought me to the appointment was furious and eventually yelled at the doctor, walked me to her car, and took me to another doctor who diagnosed me with meningitis, which PS can be DEADLY.
This is the point, Swayze. Not that doctors shouldn’t ever talk about weight, but that their view of fat patients is so colored by bias that they mis-diagnose or refuse to diagnose serious, life-threatening issues.
I’m genuinely curious if you have any fat friends or family. Your understanding of fat bias and the multitude of problems it presents - especially in health and medical settings - is so damn narrow that I must assume you don’t.
You ask over and over again for evidence that is readily available with a quick search of Google scholar, but rather than do that, you pretend it doesn’t exist and proceed with your opinions that are literally contradicted by the evidence. This is just ridiculous.
Maybe you should stop defending fat bias that LITERALLY kills fat people until you talk to some fat people about their experiences with medical practitioners, hospitals, etc.
I used to be about 10 pounds overweight and even that made me have health problems even tho I wasn't obese. I used to have joint pain, acid reflux, I got tired so easily and had low self-esteem. Losing weight by exercising and eating better made me so much happier. I don't have any health problems anymore and I started lifting weights. Sometimes excess fat and not moving your body IS the problem, even mental health improves when you have the basics right: sleep, diet and exercise.
@MdoubleHB ew stop leghumping freelee you freak
Same here. I was teetering on the edge of going into the overweight category, but have recently started eating healthier (basically inverting the proportions of junk/processed food vs whole foods I used to eat) and exercising regularly. Almost all of the health problems I had (reflux, daily fatigue, foot problems) have improved.
Ironically I feel like the biases of the medical community worked against me. Because I was never technically overweight, no one ever suggested lifestyle changes could help. I outright asked my chiropodist if my feet would improve if I lost weight and he hemmed and hawed. It seemed it was awkward for him to discuss my weight even directly asked. When I researched it myself, lo and behold, there is a connection between weight and my particular foot problem.
I think in the end, using the bmi (which was developed to assess what’s normal on a population level) can cause healthcare professionals to fail to engage with individuals and what is happening in their specific body. And that can happen at whatever part of the bmi scale a person is on.
And the focus on obesity can really blind doctors to what’s going on at the other end of the spectrum. For instance, I was underweight for a long time. Right up to my mid twenties. I’m talking people assuming I was anorexic (which I never was. I just never had much of an appetite). No doctors discussed it with me or my parents. I once brought it up with a doctor who just suggested I exercise more to stimulate my appetite. I wasn’t even aware until recently about all the health problems that go along with being underweight. Maybe if I had been aware, I would have sought out proper help for it.
I just gotta say I’m a so called “healthy” chubby guy. I get test done yearly due to family health issues. This year my test came back good so according to my doctor I am healthy. But we talked about my weight bc in the last year I gained 25lbs. He stressed that while my test were good if my weight gain continues I will likely have negative results in the future. He didn’t say this to fat shame me. This is science. We know obesity leads to other health issues. Some are minor and some are major. I can say since I’ve been eating junk I experience back pain, knee pain, sleeping issues and overall feel crappy. Plus I’m not happy with my body currently. I love myself now and will love myself when I lose the weight. Being fat is OK but I do believe we should all strive to be a better and healthier version of our self and in many cases weight loss results in this. That’s just my two cents.
@MdoubleHB is that all you do with your life. Reply to comments on all of UV’s videos and make completely gross comments.
It's 100% not okay to make unwanted suggestions about people's health. I really don't think people would be advocating berating people with depression so why are we trying to make out it's okay to look in on a snippet of someone's life and make judgements and suggestions for them? Your doctor's job is to convince people to stop unhealthy behaviours but it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone else.
Nobody should *berate* a friend about their depression, but suggestions absolutely. if someone saw that their friend was depressed and always sleeping in, rarely showering, and losing interest in all their hobbies and they didn’t try to intervene and *suggest* solutions (like invite them to social gatherings, encouraging them to go to therapy etc) and instead chose to stand by and watch their friend deteriorate because “their mental health is not my business”, I think that would be a pretty awful friend.
This is the entire issue: doctors regularly advise weight loss, *without further analysis*, to fat patients while recommending blood work, CAT scans, or physical therapy for patients of smaller size experiencing the same symptoms
Absolutely advise weight loss BUT doctor's should also recommend the same blood work, scans, and therapy that they would to a 'normal' weight patient.
So are YOU going to pay for MY blood work. Not everyone HAS the money to get test after test after test....
@@Aceofwolves I think you're missing the point.
@@ShandiCandy no you are though. We DONT have the resources to give EVERY test to EVERY person..we don't have the resources for that. Triage exist for a REASON.
Only 1:35 in but just popped down to say, I think what Jasmine was criticising was that tests & treatments aren't considered for overweight patients as readily than for those at a lower weights, possibly leading to things being missed.
I appreciate reaching a healthy weight can improve or even cure many issues, however, the way I took her statement was that Doctors' knee jerk reactions are: see overweight person; tell them to lose weight, regardless of the issue, which, at best, is unhelpful (as the majority of overweight people *know* they'd be healthier at a lower body fat percentage) & can be downright insulting & delay correct diagnosis at worst
I spent six years in the Navy. At the start, I went through the eight week boot camp, just like everybody else. During that time, you're completely encapsulated in the Navy environment, with zero outside influences. At the end, I remember seeing everyone's relatives coming into the graduation hall to watch the graduation, and I could not get over how short and fat everyone looked. It was like watching the mothership from the move Wall-E disembark right into the graduation hall. I say this not to be mean, but to respond to what you said about being afraid that ppl are becoming desensitized to obesity. It's definitely happening, and my reaction back then was living proof of it. Slowly and slowly, obesity is becoming very normal. I'm definitely with you on that it's a problem. I worry about future generations and the health of our country as a whole.
I think there is one point you are missing in this topic. Yes, things such as diabetes, heart disease, etc. can be greatly contributed to being overweight. However, having been in healthcare for over 20 years I can tell you that MANY doctors will simply (and often absent of any form of tact) tell them they just need to lose weight and ignore anything the person says. Mysterious abdominal pain? It’s your weight. Irregular periods? Weight. And on and on. VERY often things such as PCOS, abdominal masses, cancers, etc. are overlooked because they treat the weight and not the patient. Now should they discuss weight loss with the patient? Absolutely. But it’s more often the ONLY thing they focus on, often causing the patient years of suffering or sometimes even death. Another is sure people need to realize is that society constantly focusing on a person’s obesity is never going to get a person to lose weight. A person needs to love themselves and where they are before they will ever be successful in weight loss. There is too much scrutinizing and not enough support. At the end of the day it’s not our damn business what someone’s weight, yet look at the comments section of any obese person online. That’s between them and their doctor, and we need to mind our own damn business. There’s a difference between scrutiny and judgement and support and education.
We also need to look at the fact that obesity is most often caused by psychological and/or addiction issues. If a person could “ just lose weight” then everyone would be skinny. It is similar to shaming a person with depression or anxiety, or someone with alcohol or drug addiction. It’s a disease. You can’t tell an addict to stop being an addict. There’s a process to it.
You're worthy is you are obese, you're worthy if you are overweight, you are worthy is you are a healthy weight, you're worthy if you're under weight. The humanity is not up for debate the health is.
THIS. you are still a person but you WILL DIE and SUFFER for no reason and we DON'T want that.
BUT we also DONT have the resources to throw every test at everybody.
Yes, obesity is never healthy, but not all illnesses that afflict fat people are caused by obesity or can be cured by just loosing weight. Doctors who just advise to loose weight without checking for other probable conditions definitely have fat bias. It’s a prejudice that has no place in medical diagnostics. Fat badgering also doesn’t work, and can lead to people not going to see a doctor at all because of being ashamed, or it can even provoke an eating disorder. Human MDs are not vets, they work with thinking, planning, self aware animals. To get good health outcomes you can’t separate a corporal illness from the patient’s mind, so every case must be personalized.
Except we DON'T have the resources to PERSONALLY cater to you. That's not how the field of medicine works. We can't waste all resources on you if 100 other people now don't have them.
I've been overweight for the majority of my life (usually closer to the "normal" end but i was at lower end of "obese" for a brief couple months). I started struggling with sleep issues around age 11, and because i was still growing while getting VERY little sleep, it ended up causing a lot of other health issues. For a very long time, every specialist i went to only looked at my weight. My only heathcare provider that understood that wasn't what was causing my problems was my primary care doctor.
Because so many years were spent being brushed off because of my weight at the time, the damage is done. It's unlikely i'll recover from my heath issues because the majority of the time i was developing into an adult, i was not getting one of the most important things for growth; sleep. Now, as an adult at a normal weight, i have all the same issues i've had for the past decade, except now i'm leaner.
if i could chose between being a bit overweight and otherwise healthy from having my health issues taken seriously by medical professionals, and my current situation, i would choose the former.
Still have very little idea what's wrong with me. People tell me all the time i'm skinny and look great.
Despite all this, i am very anti-HAES. I know a significant amount of excess bodyweight is unhealthy and wasteful. But doctors still need to take fat patients more seriously.
Have you had a sleep study?
@@fleabitz1474 No, because we couldn't find anywhere to do it that was willing to work with my sleep schedule at the time (typically from 5am to between 1 and 3pm), and even if we had, that would be assuming i'd be able to fall asleep hooked up to that many monitors and machines (i can't even fall asleep with a watch on, so i doubt it).
And even if it weren't for those limitations, i wouldn't be able to do it present-day because i no longer have health insurance and definitely can't afford it. sucks :/
I think you might not entirely understand HAES, especially if you’re getting your information about it from this video. Based on the rest of your comment, it seems that you actually agree with the core ideas of HAES. If you’d like resources to learn more about it I would be happy to compile some, but it’s late for me so I’m going to hold off until I know you would be interested (might take me a bit because I’m moving lol). I’m really bad with conveying tone in text, so if this came off as passive aggressive or patronizing I am really sorry and all of my statements are entirely genuine.
@@allye1691 I know plenty about HAES, but i all that i *need* to know about it to come to the opinion that i have is that you could show a person with a BMI of 15 to someone who supports HAES and they *will* agree that the person is not healthy, which completely destroys the argument of "health at EVERY size"
Having a weight that is too low is dangerous, and so is having a weight that's too high. That isn't bias, it's science.
Believing that fat people should be taken seriously in a medical setting isn't equal to thinking that being fat never causes health issues.
@@IzzyHendrix interestingly, that is absolutely not how I or any other HAES ppl I know would react - the idea is to focus on health promoting behaviors without necessarily focusing on weight. It’s a more holistic approach based on supporting healthy habits rather than focusing on things that have been proven to be very hard to control - like weight loss. Most of the focus is on people in larger bodies due to the fact that they as a group are marginalized, low BMI has been worshipped for so long, and also intentional weight loss has been proven through research to be incredibly difficult to attain and maintain (some studies suggest that as many as 95% of people who lose weight will gain it all back, and frequently will gain even more). I still believe that, fat or thin, someones (perceived) BMI is a terribly inconsistent indicator of health. Because it’s an inconsistent and unreliable indicator, I think that a compassionate HAES philosophy can absolutely be applied by someone with a very low weight as well as a their healthcare specialist. I really do think you misunderstand this philosophy, which i get. It’s newer and a lot of people misinterpret it or spread misinformation to intentionally play into biases. I’m not going to push you and this is not in any way me passing judgment on you or anything I just want to try to explain this stuff because i think it’s a great approach to medicine and living that combines science with compassion and I think it really honors everyone’s unique humanness. Also HAES isn’t saying that excess body weight never causes any issues, the idea is that repeated (usually unsuccessful) attempts at weight loss are also damaging, and that focusing on health promoting behaviors is much more effective and sustainable.
I love the way I look, I love the way my partner looks at me, my fatness makes me attractive in my eyes and their eyes. I love myself. I understand that my fatness is a health risk, and I don’t like the way my fatness makes me suffer; walking or bending over to tie my shoes, finding pants that fit to only learn they don’t fire 2 months later. These reasons are why I want to loose weight even though I love the way I look.
Well said.
How big exactly are the udders of Swayze?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
@@mdoublehb2738 udders????
@@ifihadfriends437
Yes, obviously.
The milk containers on her frontside.
I think there are class implications as well. I am not sure if this applies to the USA but here in the U.K. obese people are often from lower classes. They have little knowledge and / or financial resources to eat healthily. Healthy food is a lot more expensive here and it takes longer to prepare. Vegans are most often middle and upper class people, who are thinner because they have more time and resources to look after their well-being.
The idea that it’s expensive to eat healthy is utter nonsense. Rice and beans aren’t expensive. Oats aren’t expensive. Lentils. Potatoes. Seasonal and frozen produce. Not expensive.
It may be expensive if you don't cook your meals, otherwise basic healthy stuff is absurdly cheap.
I read a book about it by an author who’s now a chef but used to be very poor. She makes a good argument that poor people often lack the resources to cook healthy food. It’s hard for us to understand if we’ve never been in utter poverty but sometimes you only have a microwave to cook. Electricity and gas are expensive. You need to move from temporary home to temporary home and have no kitchenware. You’re exhausted, worried, anxious, have no time or mental space to meal prep. You have no freezer and a tiny space in a shared fridge. I kind of agree that eating healthily doesn’t have to be expensive and I’m living proof of this. I am on a low income but am a vegan and cook everything from scratch. But I can’t deny I have a lot of advantages, such as a working kitchen, access to fresh food, skills and knowledge to make healthy meals, etc. I saw a documentary about the USA and some areas don’t even have a local supermarket with fresh produce!
@@caterinas6863 Portable stoves are cheaper than microwaves. If you don't live in utter poverty (most don't, surely not people supposedly "fat shamed" in doctor's office) there is no excuse. And if you do live in utter poverty then you have bigger problems than supposed fat shaming.
Also, many doctors make suggestions about weight loss based on BMI, which has not only been proven to have significant issues in accurately assessing health, but is rooted in yt supr*macy and incredibly antiquated
I've never been to a doctor who didn't do their job, have you all maybe chose to go to another doctor? I think you are all missing a critical point, both points are correct. there are SOME doctors who are bad, and doesn't do their due diligence in making sure their patients are properly cared for. and being over weight has a solid RESEARCH AND EVIDENCE correlation to a myriad health problems.
we live in a country where health insurance is expensive and non regulated. suggesting for more testing when the whole point of a clinic setting is to be the first layer of Healthcare with minimal testing highlights that most of you don't even know what the medical examination process is. The first step is not testing, it's looking at the facts in front of you and seeing if there is a reasonable explanation. if you losing weight doesn't help the knee problem, then it becomes easier to see that there is additional problems. if all roads points to your weight, why charge you $500 extra dollars to see if it MIGHT be something else? that's incredibly irresponsible.
I won't even use my own experience because it's anecdotal and irrelevant. I have a doctor that does their job whether I'm obese or not. sometimes we have bad doctors, and sometimes we don't want what's obvious to be the issue.
we get so caught up in our own views that we don't see the forest from the trees. the USA alone has one of the worst health populace wise in the world. COVID didn't help.
and swayzes observation at the end is correct. if we are saying "body positivity, all bodies are healthy" then stop leaving people who are on the opposite spectrum hate comments about their body.
only in America can we even have this discussion right?
The problem is that the data shows that most weight loss efforts are doomed to fail. So if doctors wait for weight loss to happen before investigating these issues, there will be a lot of fat people whose potentially treatable conditions never get properly assessed because they can’t over come the weight loss barrier that the heal are system has put in place.
@@natashaonis again I stand by my statement. get a better doctor and also understand what the science is saying. put some effort into your health and explore options with your doctor about your weight. it's so simple. the doctors can only do so much before the insurance starts declining paying for random seemingly irresponsible tests. people in the US already can barely afford medical treatment and yet your denying evidence based solutions that does have good results statistically and is cheap and effective!
I can talk up and down the wall about the various women and men in my family who had problems that just went away after losing weight, but an equal amount of people on the internet can say the opposite things. anecdotal evidence is unreliable for that very reason.
someone can say that something happens, but it doesn't make it true. doctors aren't out to snub easy cash flows for their practices. that's a silly argument to have. it's just UNETHICAL to fish for diagnosis out of nothing. that's all there is to it. sorry.
@@Queennari not everyone has a choice to change doctors. Insurance, or lack thereof, can severely limit doctor choice if you live outside a major metropolitan area.
Here's the deal. Just because I'm overweight doesn't mean that I just am sitting around eating oreos and chips. I'm actually a vegetarian who grows over 50% of my food, and my portions are small. I had to fight to find out I had severe hypothyroidism with MTHFR gene mutation along with rheumatoid arthritis. I could exercise 100 hours and lose no weight. So, yes, I had to fight 10 times harder to get the same care someone slimmer would've gotten. It's a real problem. As for "choosing" my body at a body store. Ok, that's a fun analogy, however, that is not how life works. I was assigned my body at birth, and if I cannot love it how it is then I'll never look to take good care of myself.
Yes 👏 you cannot ignore skinny privilege. I’ve been skinny all my life and I’m a total junk food vegan who just happened to get lucky with a fast metabolism. No one is ignoring that obesity CAN lead to health issues but it’s a huge issue that we can’t get people to stop seeing fat people as just a health issue. We do not judge skinny people for being unhealthy because “you can’t tell”. Totally fucked up.
I can't believe that this is even remotely controversial. Being overweight is not good for your health. Just like eating a crazy fruit diet isn't good for your health. It's not about "beauty standards" it's about overall health as a population.
YES. makes me crazy reading some of these comments.
I think you missed the point on this one. Also, on the surface, you seem to be empathetic (more like sympathetic) towards obese people, but you lack a deeper level of understanding. Most obese people *know* that being overweight is unhealthy. You like to talk about the facts of obesity while ignoring or dismissing the experiences of obese people. Your videos on the subject seem to lack a lot of nuance. It's honestly kind of off-putting.
This is exactly what I was thinking.
Yes. About 90% of obese people know that it's unhealthy to be fat, and they know the fist 100 ways to lose weight, but it's still hard and they still hope that they will be treated like human beings. Then maybe 5% just don't know any better, and 5% have decided that being fat isn't unhealthy and obese bodies should be celebrated to counterweight the problematic thinness standards.
She tends to be super sympathetic to the plight of others only when it fits into her scope of view. Many videos about the struggles of motherhood but she would choose a cow over my disabled son and believes doctors are right to write off patients bc they’re fat. Her message of eugenics is in there. Just buried.
@@candacerbrazier Serious question: where did you get that she’s pro-eugenics? I haven’t seen all her videos, but I haven’t picked up on that vibe at all from what I have seen.
I mean most alcholics know they have a problem.most bulimics/ anorexics know they have a problem. Most people with mental disorders know they have a problem.
At the end of the day it's about the science
Swayze this is... not okay. Regardless of weight people deserve to be treated with respect and dignity. And there are a million examples of medical bias where doctors ignore symptoms and chalk it all up to a persons weight. ESPECIALLY with minority patients and women patients. This isn’t an opinion it’s a huge fact in the medical community. What are you thinking going after fat people? Most overweight people aren’t stupid enough to think they don’t need to lose weight but that doesn’t mean they need to be demonized in society. So many people hate and shame fat people do we really need you to pile on to them? Do you really think you’re just so much smarter than everyone who’s overweight and they don’t know what they’re talking about? Please rethink this one. It’s gross. I’ve been watching you for a while but I’m done.
ALL groups have had this happen to them (overweight, underweight, Hispanic, white, black, trans, cis, smokers, alcholics,etc.). Y'all ain't special
I think people are misunderstanding your stance at the beginning of the video, considering at 2:54 you talk about exactly what all comments are saying you’re ignoring, that just asking for weight loss without taking a look at any other symptom is lazy, but it’s a fact that in many (most) cases, weight loss will alleviate a vast array of health issues.
Doctors definitely do have an anti-fat bias to the detriment of their patients, but on the other hand fat causes or exacerbates a lot of issues. Like back pain. So before going down the route of surgeries it's probably a good idea to lose a few pounds to see if it improves. On the other hand, if you show up with a broken leg the answer is definitely not "have you tried losing weight?"
Exactly I read a story about a woman who had an ACL surgery because of an accident and a year later it started acting up again but she went to a doctor and he just said oh you need to lose weight. He didn't even look at her chart or anything so she decided not to go back until walking became nearly impossible. She unfortunately had to go back to the same doctor and he was about to pass it off until the student doctor that was shadowing him said she needs an X-ray and low and behold if they let it sit even longer she would have lost the use of her leg.
Excess fat leads to bone fragility and other ailments. There is no anti fat bias. There may be myopic about it at times, but that's not anti fat bias.
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
I generally agree with you om many things regarding veganism, but here I think you're wrong.
It is quite common for fat people to be misdiagnosed (or not diagnosed at all), being told it's weight when time shows it's cancer, broken bones etc. It doesn't happen "sometimes", it happens enough that there are scientific studies on it and enough that fat people are hesitant to seek care in the first place (and that, regardless of your stance on fat and health, should be a bigger consequence to avoid).
It is also comming to light that maybe, just maybe, exercise and a healthy lifestyle is more important at a higher weight than losing a few pounds. With new research just this month I believe.
Many rare cancers are diagnosed late because they are rare....and broken bones really.. So if a fat person has a bone sticking out of their leg...a doctor isn't gonna reset it...are you SERIOUS???? and i am average weight and was misdiagnosed because i had RARE disease....does that mean there was bias against me for being average?
I'm all for body positivity but I have issues with some people within the movement being completely against weight loss. Just wanting to lose some weight or exercise more isn't bad, as long as it's not tied to diet culture (which is BS).
That being said, I just had an experience a couple days ago with doctor talking only about my obesity when I went to the appointment for mental health reasons (and I am already working with an RD to help me lose weight in a healthy and sustainable way) which was not helpful at all because he completely ignored my needs. And this is an unfortunate reality to many overweight people.
Fatphobia and making fat people feel terrible about themselves doesn't help them get healthier. Treating obesity starts from treating the reasons behind it, such as depression which can cause emotional eating.
Honestly I feel like the people who have a problem with weight loss/exercise aren’t as secure in their larger body as they want people to believe. If they had confidence it wouldn’t matter what other people are doing, but it seems like seeing other people lose weight makes them feel insecure so they want to put a stop to it.
@@DeoxysDNA That could be one reason. We live in such an image-based culture where fat bodies are not seen as worthy as thin bodies. Your body is a big part of who you are so many people in bigger bodies (and smaller too, disordered relationship with food/body image doesn't discriminate) that changing it can feel like changing your whole self or giving in on the beauty ideals someone else has set up.
Only once I felt comfortable in my own skin and realized that my weight has nothing to do with my worth I felt ready to start changing my lifestyle because I love myself and want my body to feel good. I'm not dieting, I'm figuring out what kind of lifestyle makes me feel good inside and out without too many restrictions.
I agree on the doctor part. My doctor didn't mention my weight, but I was sicker, and had high blood pressure. I looked up my bmi and realized how much weight I had gained. My weight distributed well on my body (it didn't accumulate a lot in one spot) which made it less obvious. But I was surprised to learn I was obese, I thought I was just overweight. My view of normal weight was very skewed, and it made me realize not just how many people around me are obese but how many are morbidly obese.
As someone working in med field, I think docs start with low hanging fruit in general, it’s not they they have a particular bias against fat people. If someone was severely underweight and reported a host of health problems that could be due to being underweight, the doctor will tell them to gain weight and maybe prescribe something to help them do that. I’ve seen this happen. Or if someone’s cholesterol is high, whether they’re a size 2 or 22, the doctor is going to ask them to cut back on certain foods potentially before prescribing them cholesterol medicine for it. Doctors like to eliminate the low hanging fruit because it’s cheaper for the patient and has minimal risk. For example, if gaining some weight solved your anemia, that means you didn’t have to spend money on certain tests or treatments or risk having harmful side effects to a drug. I’ll admit that they can be biased, but more like biased in general.
I’m with you on this one. I’m obese and I feel terrible in this body. I hate knowing I’m more at risk for all sorts of health issues and I hate how hard it is to find the discipline to lose the weight (although I’m 50 pounds down so far). This isn’t about justice, it’s about HEALTH and facts.
I think you might have misunderstood, what is meamt by doctors telling their patients that they're fat. The problem is, that they stop there and don't look further. There are people who go from doctor to doctor because noone takes them seriously when they talk about their symptoms. It's okay to tell them, they need to loose weight. It's not okay to dismiss every other possibility after the doctor has been told what's going on.
I think you misunderstood the doctor issue. The point is not that doctors shouldn't bring up weightloss to their patients, but rather that doctors have a bias and often prescribe weight loss as the cure for all ails when you are overweight. I had a bad case of shingles at the age of 34, I went in and told the doctor that I worked around 70 hour workweeks, also took a few evening classes, and I had lost around 60 lbs in the past 3 months so it was likely due to the extreme stress I was under. She looks at me and blamed the shingles on my diet and actually had the gall to joke about overeating donuts. I was still obese, but she could very clearly see my recorded weight loss over the short period, not to mention I had just told her I lost weight and had a lot of environmental stress. But my shingles was apparently due to me "overeating donuts" even though I was eating considerably healthy with whole foods at the time. Thank god the shingles was clear cut and I could get medicine regardless, but her making an assumption based on my look rather than actual available evidence is more common than you seem to acknowledge here.
I think it is possible to be both anti fat acceptance and anti fat shaming.
Of course it is.
How big exactly are the udders of Swayze?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
@@mdoublehb2738 Please get help
@@Peopleofthesun386
Please get a brain.
What I've learned: overweight doesn't exist, health at every size is true and dieting makes people get fat in the first place. Hate me for this comment.
I read the title and I'm over here like "nu-uh Swayze isn't anti-fat, she eats tons of nuts and seeds!" Then you started talking....oh lol
As a former thin person (not anorexic but underweight and having an eating disorder) I have NEVER had a movement defend people like me....ever. Being underweight caused PERMANENT issues for me as I was a teen when I had these issues. I have NEVER fully recovered and will always have issues because of it. This was over a decade ago. My life and body will forever have the effects and lasting impact of losing weight that quickly and being unhealthy.
So why is it ok to "accept" fat people but not the other way around. Being overweight and underweight isn't healthy period.
I’ve been a vegetarian since 15. I always worked to keep my weight down. I’ve had higher cholesterol at 15- I’ve aways been active. I had my first pregnancy later in life and gained 80 pounds. By 6 months I stopped exercising bc my feet hurt etc etc. Now I’m obese. According to the weight chart I am obese. My daughter is 21 months and I still have 30 lbs to loose. I’m not concerned with fitting into a bikini. I’m concerned with my health. I want to be here for my daughter. My cholesterol is high and the doctor suggests diet and exercise before meds. I agree. I hope to take off the weight and lower my cholesterol for my health. I still think I’m worthy- and should be respected. I wouldn’t be mean to a fat person. I’d want to help them. Let’s walk together rather than eat together. Just my opinion
I just started the video, and i think the writer mainly had a problem with the way that weight loss is recommended as a cure-all and other possible causes of illness are often not explored with overweight patients
Fat people deserve respect, but being overweight shouldn't be accepted for the vast majority of people.
I think everyone should mind their own business with their bodies
I’ve been asked to lose weight when I had an allergic reaction to a bee sting!
what bothers me about this movement is how specific it is, like you were talking about. I've struggled with body image my whole life, but because I happen to exist in a smaller body I've literally been told that I'm not allowed to be or promote body positivity because it isn't meant for me and that I'm "taking away the voices of fat people." I also think the logic is inconsistent. Like, you mentioned Eugenia Cooney. She, and other people with anorexia, gets so much backlash for promoting an unhealthy lifestyle, but no one in this movement seems to give a shit or says anything to or about the people who are on the opposite end of the spectrum and who may have binge eating disorder. Like, look at all the love the mukbang channels get. So, anorexia=bad, binge eating disorder=good? Okay. Lastly, as someone who had anorexia, I had started reading this new eating disorder recovery book and it's just so biased it's ridiculous. the book specifically says we should get rid of words like overweight because "what even is overweight, over WHAT weight? All bodies are different", but yet they use the term underweight all over the book and have no problem with that word. why aren't they also saying "under WHAT weight?" I just can't with it anymore and honestly want no part of any of it.
What people don't get is: Nobody who sees a fat person in media is going to think: "I want to be obese now, too! I suddenly feel like eating unhealthy food! Yeah!". However - This is what can actually happen if people see underweight people. Some eating disorders such as anorexia are very competitive and seeing very skinny people can be triggering to some people that are prone to anorexia and it actually can encourage them to compete with those people. Thinspo is a thing. This is why we have to be careful when we portray very skinny bodies or unattainable beauty standards. Some people with those eating disorders enjoy the feeling of looking skinnier and skinnier and giving them a platform might make their condition worse. Many enjoy the feeling that others think or know they aren't eating much and it cheers them on because they feel in control. This isn't how binge eating works though. People who tend to eat too much won't be encouraged by seeing other big bodies. Bing eating usually happens in private and many binge eaters are ashamed of it and they hide while doing so. They feel worthless and unattractive which makes them binge even more. Believe it or not but people tend to eat less when feeling watched. Feeling confident about themselves often betters their condition. Bigger binge eaters actually benefit from social media. And the rest are often kink videos. Believe it or not but there are anorexia kinks and eating kinks and kinks about gaining weight or losing weight and all. Some fall under that category including many mukbang videos. Feeders and whatnot.
@@deniseb.4656 I get that anorexia is competitive, but not every person with anorexia wants the attention like that. So many people, myself included, hid that they werent eating and his themselves in baggy clothes so others wouldnt notice. It pisses me off frankly how the movement is kinda mean and not understanding of those with anorexia in a smaller body but are so gentle to those with BED or anorexia but happen to be larger. It feels like it invalidates my whole experience.
@@lysseast2380 I wrote "many" and not every person. It can sometimes come with perfectionism or with narcissist traits such as feeling "superior" because you eat less than others or because you are skinnier than others. It exists. Fat people with BED usually don't feel better because they eat more or because they are bigger.
My opinion is based solely on my experience. I have been over 100lbs overweight for the past 5 years, vegetarian and now vegan. I have been steadily working on my weight and am down 30 lbs so far and feel so strong. Unfortunately, the journey to lose weight is long, hard, and full of setbacks. I’ve had real medical issues dismissed by doctors as just a weight issue, and then later was finally diagnosed (if it had been diagnosed earlier I would have had earlier treatment). I do not think that being significantly obese is a healthy option, but there is a lot of ignorance on the time and dedication it takes to lose weight.
This video could have been 1 minute long instead of 22:
"Do I have anti-fat bias? Yes, I do. I think fat people do not deserve medical attention until they lose the weight. Otherwise they're just wasting a doctor's time and resources. Even though underweight people are represented in media 95% of the time and I have nothing against that, I don't think fat people deserve representation because they're a bad example. And I honestly just don't want to have to look at them. Endocrine issues, metabolic issues, mental health issues? Nah. I know your lifestyle: you're fat because you want to be. Otherwise you would just lose the weight. BMI is a faulty system of measuring someone's health but I'm still going to trust it because according to BMI I'm healthy. I also think that fat = morbidly obese and that being fat is as bad a condition as having cancer."
Done.
I'm saying this as someone who was treated the other way their whole life, always told to GAIN weight and never been able to consistently because of other health issues: bias against fat people is absolutely a thing in the medical field. The article even explains in which way, but you conveniently chose to ignore that in favor of saying that fat people shouldn't waste doctors' time and medical resources.
What's wrong with a doctor telling people to lose weight or fat? Being fat and overweight leads to health problems such as diabetes, heart disease, strokes, cancer, and more. Plus the leg joints don't like carrying extra weight. I've seen some people that are so obese that they have trouble walking.
I don't think a person sees a fat model and thinks, "oh! I will make myself fat now!" I think it's more like, "oh! I'm not a monster!"
What people don't get is: Nobody who sees a fat person in media is going to think: "I want to be obese now, too! I suddenly feel like eating unhealthy food! Yeah!". However - This is what can actually happen if people see underweight people. Some eating disorders such as anorexia are very competitive and seeing very skinny people can be triggering to some people that are prone to anorexia and it actually can encourage them to compete with those people. Thinspo is a thing. This is why we have to be careful when we portray very skinny bodies or unattainable beauty standards. This isn't how binge eating works though. People who tend to eat too much won't be encouraged by seeing big bodies.
So fat people are monsters now? 🤔 yall are fucking ridiculous...
@@Lii35 No? Where on earth did you get that? I'm saying society makes them feel that way but seeing a beautiful model who has their body type can make them feel better about themselves.
We know that obesity is unhealthy. It’s been proven over and over again. I don’t know why it’s still controversial. It’s like smoking. We all know it’s bad for you
How big exactly are the udders of Swayze?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
I actually think that some drs can be negligent based on patients weight or other parameters. If someone comes in with a terrible cough would we say "stop smoking" and send them on their way or advise that along with meds etc. AFTER running diagnostic tests? Smoking may be the main cause of their condition, or exacerbate it, like if it's a virus or something, but as a dr you'd still have a duty of care to treat. In saying that I agree with everything else you said.
I...don't think that's a thing? When my sister smoked, she didn't get special tests for a cough. She (rightly so) was lectured on how bad smoking is for you.
@@fuzzycatbutts My grandmas had pneumonia and emphysema and definitely got screened for it even though she was a smoker at the time. Her main symptom was a bad cough. Drs took urine samples, throat swabs, blood tests, chest x-rays and they even checked her lung function, all to make the diagnoses they had to. If your sister is a smoker with a cough, and just got a lecture on smoking and nothing else, then that IS negligent and proves the point that medical professionals can be dismissive of certain patients based on their lifestyle, habits etc.
@@jl4260 Isn't that because she's elderly tho? Edit for clarification: Like, I think the vast majority of smokers are not privy to those tests just for having a cough.
@@fuzzycatbutts No? Even I've gotten tested when I've come in with a bad cough. What country do you live in?
@@jl4260 Um, do you smoke? We do tests for coughs if there's no obvious reason for a cough...like smoking.
What's more of a health problem in America right now? (1) Obesity, (2) drug addiction, (3) prescription drug addiction -inclusive of psych meds. If you're overweight, you can make a comeback; if you've got brain damage from #2 or #3, ain't no coming back from that.
All this video has done is convince me you have not just anti-fat bias. You think they should be treated as less. Not all medical conditions are caused by weight. Answering any health problem with just "lose weight" is a problem and frankly is dehumanizing. I really hope you at least read these comments and take some feedback on on what the actual problems are why people are complaining. It isn't about been told to lose weight by doctors. It's that often that is the ONLY response even when it is a non-weight related issue and they go completely unaddressed. As though, fat people don't deserve medical care until they prove they do by been thin. Sorry, you have massive anti-fat bias.
Edit: Oh, wow. It actually got worse the more I watched it. UV actually does think that "just lose weight" is acceptable and the problem shouldn't be properly treated.
Women with PCSO are routinely under diagnosed because weight loss is pushed as main and only option. It takes women years to get diagnosed, treated and supported. All in the meantime suffering guilt and shame about knowing we need help but the world gaslights us.
I think most people should leave Eugenia alone. They're not helping her, and few are helping others with anorexia.
Yes I agree! So do lots of people! Swayze is very wrong to think that noone is against telling eugenia to gain weight.
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
Being able to lose weight on a vegan diet is part of the selling point, then again, I think it’s great that Lizzo is vegan, she can reach a greater audience. Lizzo has always been big, so nobody is blaming veganism for her weight or any potential health issues she might have or develop. Lizzo is a great ambassador to the cause.
your first point about doctors need to tell fat people to lose weight: shes not talking about how its not true that fat people need to lose weight, shes talking about the times doctors incorrectly assume the symptoms are caused by weight and not something else that needs urgent treatment. only for the person to find out elsewhere that because the doctor ignored their symptoms their condition is now worsened.
When I was fat NOBODY told me I was fat, as soon as I started losing weight people accused me of an ED!!
This is deeply rooted sexism/misogyny. I had people calling me chubby and fat when I was at a healthy weight and when I lost like 5kg I was suddenly "anorexic".
Umm... it’s pretty bias, mean spirited and, very hurtful of you to judge others (Overweight People) and casually assume that if they are overweight that “You Know” what sort of lifestyle and diet they have. Who are you to judge someone by their looks (Their Size)??? Someone can be eating all the right foods (Broccoli and beans and other whole foods) in the proper portion sizes, exercising everyday etc... But are unable to lose weight.
Some overweight people have diseases that prevent them from losing weight. (Thyroid Diseases), or perhaps their metabolism is slow. Some are taking medications that cause them to gain weight or make them unable to lose weight such as Antidepressants, SSRI’s Tricyclic Antidepressants, Antipsychotic's, MAOI’s, Insulin, Oral Steroids, Hormone Replacement Drugs, Hypertension Drugs, Corticosteroid's, Antihistamines, Epilepsy Medications, Beta Blockers, and Birth Control Pills to name a few.
If you're not overweight you will never, ever know how it feels to be the brunt of jokes on TV, Movies, Social Media, and Society as a whole. A society that worships thin, anorexic, or bulimic woman who look like dolls and shames those who don't fit that description telling them 24-7 that because they are overweight that they are ugly and are not good enough.
Just a thought... Perhaps you should do some research (since that seems to be your thing) about how many overweight young girls and women make themselves ill in an effort to lose weight and “FIT IN “or just give up and commit suicide yearly because of how they are seen by the world.
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I am very against fat shaming-obviously. I have been maintaing the same weight for my whole adult life (It’s a daily, constant work and I acknowledge my privilege to be able to do that) so I can’t relate to many of the problems you mentioned. But I do wonder-is it really true that a person can eat calorically adequate meals (like 2000-3000 calories daily) and still be overweight? I understand there are different factors that affect us (I personally have slow metabolism, thyroid issues and I am almost 40), but I think their impact is overestimated. I understand we might eat the same and still have slightly different weight and body shape, but I cannot imagine someone ending up being obese from eating food that fulfills caloric needs based on person’s age, gender, level of activity etc.
@@fly_like_a_waspmagdalenaos1856 Someone recently commented on this video saying that they eat 1600 cals a day and walk 10000 steps daily yet they keep gaining weight because of an endocrine disorder.
I know some four people who have thyroid issues and either don't lose weight or even gain weight even though they're constantly on a diet and exercise.
Some people have been dieting in unhealthy ways for too long and so when they do eat their deprived body just holds on to it. They might also binge eat a lot as a consequence of deprivation and end up overweight or even obese (which does not look like my 600 lb life, many people don't even know they fit the criteria for obesity). Then the cycle repeats.
Stress levels is also a factor.
So, yes, it's possible.
I can only hope Swayze's children never have hormonal issues, endocrine issues, mental health issues and gain weight because of it. They'd get no sympathy or compassion from her. "Don't go waste a doctor's time, just lose weight!"
Talking about minority of people, most are fat due to lack of dietary discretion, food choices and a sedentary lifestyle... no exercise. People can be fat but it shouldn’t be celebrated and fat people shouldn’t be made of fun of either. Being fat is no bueno
In my mind, the ideal summary on fat acceptance is: "Beauty is not connected to the size of one's body except in the minds of some people, many of which are bigoted and unwilling to think for themselves. Big is just as beautiful as "normal", and even if you don't personally agree with that, beauty is subjective and there's another person who sees it opposite to you. With that said, it sucks that body size often correlates with and sometimes causes health problems, so fat people should keep in mind they have a risk factor and make their choices, whether that is losing weight or accepting the risks. Dishonesty will not be the best way to engage with fat people, just as moralizing is not the best way to engage with fat people."
1. Don't be mean 2. Don't lie. It's pretty simple but people forget the basics when it comes to more complex topics.
The problem comes because people are too comfortable lying to themselves and others if they deem the lie inconsequential. It is not helping anyone to be dishonest to make someone feel better. If you see someone being dishonest about the health implications of weight, you should counter it. Aside from that, you have no business commenting on the weight of others unprompted. It's mean spirited to give "feedback" to someone who didn't ask for it.
While being overweight is generally not healthy, your video is an oversimplification of the matter. Obesity cannot be reduced simply to diet and exercise. There are a number of genetic and epigenetic variables that account for weight gain, some of which are simply beyond our control. The human body has developed to keep weight on to prevent starvation, so even when people manage to lose weight, they will most likely regain it. Promoting weight loss as a way of improving public health is a very idealistic goal (which is interesting since you claim to be a pragmatist). If you wanted to improve public health, you can still promote a healthy diet and exercise (which decreases the rate of obesity) without emphasizing weight, since studies show that shaming does not improve the problem. You can insist as much you want that what you are doing is not shaming, but your intent does not really matter when that is what it is perceived as by obese people.
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
I mean drug addicts and alcoholics KNOW they are addicted but I have NEVER seen a doctor just ignore that and coddle them and say "yeah its ok to keep drinking/smoking/ shooting up/ taking drugs that weren't given to you". That would be IRRESPONSIBLE.
ITS THE SAME IDEA....
If we wanna talk about pandemics we should talk about obesity. But nah.
Exactly!
How big exactly are the udders of Swayze?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
Do you intentionally misrepresent things in all of your videos or do you not have reading comprehension? This entire video starts with you misconstruing the entire point. Talking about weight isn't the issue. Ignoring everything else to focus only on weight with no other investigation is the issue. You had the entire sentence right here but you conveniently stopped reading before the pertinent part. Why do you do this so often?
Theres are many fat people who exercise and eat well. There are many thin people who eat horribly and don’t exercise. Someone’s size is NOT a reliable indicator of health. Period. There is space for both body positivity and acknowledging obesity has it’s health risks. However, someones personal health does not warrant critique or judgment, it’s no ones business but their own! Society celebrates thin bodies all the time, and those bodies aren’t always healthy. So the argument that we shouldn’t celebrate big bodies seems hypocritical. Normalizing unqualified friends to tell other friends they should lose weight is NOT a good idea. There are too many variables, and can cause eating disorders. Again, Let qualified physicians discuss health. Lastly, it’s important that marginalized people are included in these conversations so that we can create solutions that help the most people. I think excluding them because “it’s ineffective” for the cause is a slippery slope.
You are showing your ignorance. That statement isn't about a doctor discussing a patients weight that statement is about medical neglect because a person is overweight. 16 Years ago today, my best friend died of colon cancer because of this kind of neglect. We spent MONTHS trying to convince her to go to a doctor about her symptoms. She didn't want to because she was afraid that a doctor would just tell her she needs to lose weight and that will address her symptoms. Unfortunately the doctor she saw did just that. We could not convince her to go back to the doctor until she was in so much pain that her husband had to DRAG her to the emergency room where she was admitted and it was discovered that she had stage 4 colon cancer. It was small but it was in the wrong place and had already invaded her liver. She had a 5% chance of survival. She was dead a month later. 2 years before that when she was experiencing symptoms and was dismissed because she was overweight, she was probably in stage 2 where she had over a 60% chance to recover! The doctor did not run test, he didn't treat her as a person, he looked at her, told her she needed to lose weight and was out of there. If she were normal size he would not have done that. And she wasn't an isolated incident either. The medical text are full of example of medical neglect that stem from ignorance. And society sees this as OK. Every person at every size deserves to have good self esteem, deserves good medical care, and not to be judged by their external countenance.
I’m commenting so hopefully it’ll boost your comment a bit. I have (unfortunately) heard countless stories like this as I’ve been educating myself and working on unlearning my anti-fat biases and I think swayze should too so she can do the work necessary. When a person has never been more than slightly overweight, it can be difficult for them to dig past societal anti-fat bias and see all of the ways fat people are being constantly dehumanized, but the digging needs to be done nonetheless. Thank you for sharing this story. I’m so sorry about what happened to your friend and even though I know it won’t undo the neglect and mistreatment or anything, I’m sending you all sorts of digital hugs. I’ll be thinking of her as I continue to learn. 💛
I'm so sorry for your friend, I've heard many stories like this from friends and family. My aunt was overweight, but just barely according to her bmi and when she went to the doctor they told her that her itchy skin was likely due to pre-diabetes (even though they ran no tests) and that she should lose weight. She did lose weight, but it turned out to be skin cancer. Luckily she survived, but it's insane the way doctors will dismiss a patient based on weight.
@@allye1691 Thank you so much for the hugs and well wishes. Even 16 years on, I still miss her like crazy.
@@kalaniblake8699 Thank you for the condolences. Yes unfortunately stories like that are so so very common. I am glad your aunt is OK and got the treatment she needed.
How big exactly are the udders of Swayze?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
Doctors aren't actually "just doing their job" when they ignore symptoms, refuse to do tests, and don't help the patient just because they are fat. There are very real issues that are overlooked because the doctor only sees the patient's weight.
Allowing fat people to love their bodies, in the same way ALL humans should be allowed to love their own bodies, is not problematic. You cannot hate yourself into being healthy.
Weight change is not easy. Most people, regardless of motivation, can't maintain significant weight loss or weight gain. You shouldn't assume all overweight people are living off of doughnuts or don't exercise, just as you shouldn't assume all underweight people are starving themselves. Not everyone's metabolism is the same. There are people who can't gain weight and there are people who can't lose weight. Most people's bodies will fight to stay at their unique set point and will return to it after losing/gaining weight. There have been studies that showed that people's metabolisms will adjust to get back to the set point, making future weight change even harder. That said, our weight set points can change at different stages of life, but it's not usually within our control. That would make everything much easier, though!
Changing weight is especially difficult for people with certain disabilities and health conditions. For example, it's hard for someone who has significant pain, migraines, or muscular/neurological conditions to exercise. Another example is when people have malabsorption conditions that can cause them to become chronically malnourished (such as celiac disease). Many of those people can't gain weight, even when they eat a lot. Some of them actually respond in the opposite way by their bodies slowing down their metabolisms out of self-preservation. That group will have difficulty losing weight and may actually be overweight as a result. You can't look at someone and just know what their chronic illnesses are.
More importantly, someone's health isn't your business. It isn't your place to speak about their bodies or health.
Yeah, you also believe cancer is bad, but you don't tell cancer patients they shouldn't love the way they look because their bodies are unhealthy. I can't think of any other health condition that gives people a free pass to comment on one's appearance and shame them for it outside of being over/underweight. I've never seen someone say, "you can't think you're beautiful because you were born with diabetes and your body is unhealthy," or "you can't be proud of your body because you have muscular dystrophy." I've never seen someone screech "UNHEALTHY STANDARDS!!!" when a model with depression, asthma, or MS is shown in an ad. I assume you'll say you don't think those are comparable because you have decided people are to be blamed for their weights. I would refer you to my earlier paragraphs. Maintaining a change in your weight is hard because our bodies adapt.
I don't know why you cling to BMI so much. I'm positive you are aware of how inaccurate it is because it doesn't take into consideration body composition. My guess is because you can use it to say, "I'm not overweight. My BMI is normal!" You very well might have a low body fat percentage. I don't know. But it always surprised me that you cling so strongly to such an outdated and debunked classification system when you generally support modern science.
GREAT comment. Really well said.
As a person who used to be fat, and corrected many health issues by losing weight, things I didn’t know were even tied to weight. Doctors suggesting weight loss come from a place of hey these health issues are connected to weight whether it hurts your feelings are not.
Doctors aren’t here to massage your feelings. If you go in to the doctor obese they’re going to let you know every time, if you’re seeing them for the first time. Many obese people myself was included in this are ignorant to the connection between hey I’m fat and it’s making me exhausted all the time and my knees hurt.
My mom is obese because she’s hypothyroid and she’s working REALLY hard really really hard to lose weight but it’s hard for her. We shouldn’t bully fat people, because a small percent of them are like my mom.
But most don’t even connect the junk food they eat to their weight. I have seen it with my very eyes. Doctors are just doing their job. It would be malpractice to ignore weight as a factor.
Firstly, please do some more in depth research into BMI and why it's an outdated and inaccurate measure of health.
Secondly, it's obviously ideal for everyone on the planet to be healthy and not deal with the health issues that are directly related to obesity but... Fat =/= obese.
The fact that you can so confidently talk about how doctors would be wasting their time running tests on a patient unless that patient has already tried losing weight is so incredibly tone deaf. You've clearly never actually had to deal with any kind of weight bias. I'm not talking about someone calling you fat as an insult or a doctor mentioning weight loss for an issue that is obviously directly related. I'm talking about not being given access to tests that could immediately find the issue because your doctor looks at you and only sees a fat person. Tests that could help trigger treatment of problems that by the time the patient has lost weight, are exponentially worse or have caused irreparable damage.
Doesn't it seem wrong that yes, even if weight loss is the most obvious answer and would absolutely help that person's health, that a patient would be denied access to any sort of other medical assistance or testing? That is the reality for actual fat (remember, that doesn't mean obese) people.
Moving on to fat representation in media... OF COURSE it's necessary! Why? Because fat people exist!!
Because we need a wide variety of bodies in our media to feel us gauge what we ourselves are on the skinny/thin/fat/obese scale.
If everyone in media is skinny, and you know you aren't, you might think "I'm fat". You're not, but you've got no other marker to go on! You can't say "okay well I don't look like the character from that one tv show, but I think I am similar to the one in this movie, and I can see that they're not as skinny, but still thin". Or you might think "huh I think my body is similar to this other bigger character, and now I have a gauge and can make a choice about if I want to change that or if I'm okay with my body looking that way".
If all we know is "I'm not as skinny as XYZ actress" and we see mid-sized people portrayed as "fat", it completely skews the perception of reality and that is a great way for body dismorphia to creep in.
I was almost still on your team and just thinking maybe you'd never had experience as a fat person until you got into being about to tell what someone's health habits were by looking at them 🤦🏻♀️ Nope!
Just as a thin person could be eating healthy and working out, they might also just be one of those people with a fast metabolism or that can't keep weight on! Which is a medical problem they didn't choose and, to some extent, can't control!
Same goes for fat people (just another reminder that fat DOES NOT mean obese! Some people are just fat without it being to the extreme, as you seemed to be grouping them), they might be just consuming more calories than they're burning. Or they might be dealing with any number of medical issues that cause weight gain! Or have a condition that makes it hard to shift weight!
I'm not sure if you'll accept this last one as something valid and worth caring about, but for some people an ideal weight is a sacrifice worth making for their mental health. Being 40lbs overweight but happy and content is worth it to a lot of people.
I truly hope you or anyone reading this takes it as informative, it's not hate or anything like that.
You've very obviously come to this discussion from a place of privilege. Because anyone who's lived these situations knows it's got nothing to do with choosing not to lose weight 🙄🤦🏻♀️
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
Agreed on all points. Thanks for taking the time to write this.
Okay I get that doctors will point to the “most likely” cause of a problem and not do every single test for every single person. But medical bias against overweight people is well studied, the evidence shows that doctors are getting it wrong and making the wrong judgement. Perhaps if they take 1-2 minutes and asked better and more questions, they would make better decisions about whether someone will likely solve their issue by losing weight or whether further testing is needed.
Also you are making weight out to be the most significant factor when it’s not, activity level is equally if not more important. An active overweight person is likely healthier than a non-active person with a normal to low BMI. And yes obesity and lack of exercise is correlated, but you’re implying that it is causal, when it’s really not.
And how can you seriously say that there is no evidence that the whole world constantly telling an overweight person to lose weight directly and indirectly, even in conversations unrelated to health and fitness, is not harmful, to their mental health at the very least? If you don’t think that there is any correlation between an overweight persons possible (lack of) motivation to get out of bed and be active, maybe even fit, and the way society treats them, then you have not done your research. If you love consequentialism so much, then this would be the first place to start learning more.
How do you feel about the anti-smoking campaigns? Government PSAs warning of the health risks of smoking, banning of smoking indoors and in many outdoor spaces, banning of cigarette advertising, and elimination of people smoking in movies, tv, and magazines. For a couple decades, it was a full-on: you're a horrible person if you smoke and you're killing yourself and those around you. At every doctor's appointment, every smoker can expect at least a comment about quitting. No one said anything about a smoker's mental health as being a reason to ease up on the social pressure to quit. Yet amazingly, almost all smokers quit, and more importantly - millions of young people never started smoking in the first place. Sometimes, a little shame and a lot of public awareness goes a long way to promote a social good. Is "mental health" being used as a pass for perpetuating bad behavior?
You’re making quite some bold statements there. Activity level is more ‘significant’ than weight? For what exactly? I’m assuming health and/or general well-being? So someone morbidly obese who exercises is healthier than someone with a healthy BMI who lives a sedentary lifestyle? The last part of your comment is implying that overweight people are not active and fit solely (or at least mostly) because of weight stigma? On what are you basing such a claim? Weight loss is more dependent on diet (being in a caloric deficit) than exercise, but I guess you would argue that overweight people can’t improve their diet because of weight stigma…It really surprises me that so many people believe doctors are out there to ‘get’ overweight patients. Yes they are people and they surely have biases, but are they all really so hateful and short-sighted that they send every overweight person home with a diet book without doing any examination? Quite the stretch, I would say. Being (severely) overweight is one of the main risk factors for diseases like diabetes and heart disease. Like UV said, it would be negligent if a doctor would not point that out. It would be like a doctor not urging a patient to quit smoking.
@@anastaciazara1787 The two aren't the same thing. Anti-smoking campaigns could be compared to educational campaigns around health and fitness, information regarding the dangers of obesity, which no one is criticizing here. Also remember that a smoker doesn't only put themselves at risk, but others too, and not just in the sense that your family and friends will be upset if you die from heart disease caused by your excess weight. Public awareness is not the same as, nor does it have the same effect as, shame and letting someone know they are not a "normal member of society" because of their weight. You aren't telling smokers no one wants you around because they are killing themselves, it's because they are killing you too.
@@leedevee Yes I am making bold statements.
If we base our measurements on BMI, for example, which Swayze uses as a standard of measurement, then yes, it is possibly to be "morbidly obese" (high weight due to muscle tone) and healthier than someone in the healthy range doing no exercise (and maybe even with a shit diet). And no, obviously this isn't the case for most people.
A more helpful example is a person who exercises regularly, who has a slightly high body fat percentage, who, statistically, will live longer than a person with slightly low body fat percentage who does no exercise.
And continuing with your tendency to take my arguments and applying them solely to the extreme, no, I did not say that an obese person does not exercise solely because of weight stigma, I am saying that shame induced self-image issues are a contributing factor.
and once more with the extremes, no, not all doctors are shit people, and not all doctors generally dismiss an overweight patient, not all doctors telling an overweight person to lose weight does so in a harmful or mean way. Taking my arguments to the extremes does nothing to take away from my point. Look at the studies, we're talking about trends here.
@@jesuiskc477 To an extent, smoking and obesity are comparable, especially in the context of obesity and parenting. Obese and sedentary parents are more likely to raise children who are obese and sedentary, which puts those children at substantially higher risk of developing obesity-related health conditions. Then there's the natural human tendency to become the average of the five people closest to them. The more obese people there are in your inner circle, the more likely you are to eventually become obese. So although the link may not be as direct as secondhand smoking, the link is there nonetheless. I think you're line-iteming by saying that no one is criticizing public awareness campaigns on the health risks of being obese (especially obese and sedentary). You're saying that how society treats obese people discourages them from getting healthy on their own. I don't see how PSAs don't contribute to that feeling of "not being a normal member of society." I'll ask again: Is "mental health" being used as a pass for perpetuating bad behavior?
Also - resources. People may be fat and healthy, cause they are fat and wealthy. But usually size doesn't come with money.
I'm not American, but from what I hear, in America being poor and fat usually pairs up with skin colour and being female?
yup. lots of people live in purposefully underfunded areas with food deserts and little to no access to healthy living options even it they wanted. im talking gas stations are the closest thing to a grocery store they can find.
and i mean the areas are underfunded, not that people are choosing to live there. its hard to be born into a shitstorm with very few ways to get out
How big are the udders of Swayze exactly?
Nobody could answer this question so far.
It is very unfortunate, what happened to this Swayze.
She was such a nice and smart girl, when she was 100% raw vegan.
But then she lost her mind, and now she wastes her life and abuses her children, by feeding them cooked food.
I have an acquaintance who died a month ago. She was overweight and had back pain. Her doctor wrote off her pain as being too fat. He told her to lose weight. Her problem was Ewings sarcoma. Doctors often ignore symptoms in overweight people, when they would investigate more with normal weight people.
And ?
When people who openly abuse their bodies come into a doctor's office, it's hard to care