@@brendanmorin9935 you're so valid! I think what they meant was that most people don't realize that disordered eating exists among all body types, and especially heavier bodies are often overlooked.
@@brendanmorin9935 definently! I just pointed that out because in most cases people think only skinny people could have an ed (they mostly thing about anorexia) and obese people just eat too much and are lazy. Thats why UV says not that many people have ed's and a lot of people are obese so we should focus more on that (not realizing that most obese people actually have an ed or disorder eating) I myself am still struggling with disored eting and Im not obese, just slightly overweight.
However, dr. Mike is just as bad as Abbey on promoting questionable things like processed meat, which as a doctor, he should know better. He once did a video sponsored by the National Pork Board (no joke), about how great and nutritious processed red meat is. He was forced to take it down cause people got real mad.
@@pupax2000 Don't you think the vast majority of the things he does and promotes are actually really good though? I agree with you that he really didn't think that one through lol, but if we're going to judge people by single mistakes rather than the big picture we'll be left with 7.8 billion absolutely dogshit terrible people, and I for one think that it's kind of twisted to be that black and white when it comes to the world and people. It's fine if you just can't stand Mike, for any reason, but this particular justification you've got for why he's supposedly terrible just comes off as you know... I little bit crazy. It's almost funny that he's so fucking bland mayonnaise that people need to reach with things like this lol. You really couldn't find anything else on him, huh?
@@KattReen To be honest, I wasn't looking, I was just reminded when I saw his name. I un-subbed and blocked his channel after that video, and haven't given him a thought since. But in my opinion, as a doctor, yes it is a big deal to shill carcinogenic meat for money. I never said he was terrible, just that he was just as bad as Abbey, and that he should know better. Which he definitely should. He is so cute that he has people making excuses for him though, good for him. No need to go to personal attacks on me, like calling me crazy and bland, I would have respected your opinion without.
Yes! There is a spectrum of healthy weights depending on a person’s sex/bone structure/muscle mass/height. There isn’t a one-size-fits all healthy weight. There are, however, upper limits on the weight that an average human skeleton and cardiovascular system can safely support.
I'm Native and I promise internalized racism is more complex than that. I get that it should be that simple. I wish it was that simple, but it is a lot more insidious unfortunately.
Yes, it seems that she is basing her opinion off of an incorrect assumption of what internalized racism is, as though it is the explicit thought that one race is superior to another and that the solution is to realize that that is not true. She’s missing that internalized racism depends largely on deeply ingrained negative feelings about a given group, and these feelings are often outside of one’s conscious awareness. (which is where the phrase check your biases comes from-even though I dislike that verbiage). For instance consider a white woman who crosses the street when she sees a black man walking toward her on the sidewalk. It is going to take her some time to overcome the racist feelings that she has internalized from whichever source, even though she may be able to immediately recognize and change her mind about the validity of crossing the street in that situation. Following Swayze’s the logic on this topic, people with a pickle phobia should just realize that they are wrong to be afraid of pickles and stop being afraid of them. I don’t think this is her actual logic-again, I think she is basing her logic on a misconception, but this illustrates why her current concept of internalized *fill in the blank* is not yet correct. If this really is her logic, she should be made aware that people cannot force themselves to change how certain stimuli make them feel. Changing that is a process with effort directly proportional to the degree to which the belief is ingrained.
@@gazneregina5373 Totally agree, I think she understands this and either has not given this subject enough thought or she did a poor job expresing her views here.
@@gazneregina5373 yess and our shit brains hate being wrong and stubbornly look to justify our beliefs and keep us in denial. its hard even realising you're biased, then admitting it, then realising just how many areas of your life it affects, and then hopefully challenging and changing it. especially if it's a group you belong to.
I think the disconnect comes because Dr. Mike and Abbey have very different audiences. Dr. Mike is speaking out to the general TH-cam public, where obesity is very common and eating disorders are pretty rare. On the other hand, I would bet Abbey's audience is mainly female, under 35, and interested in health, veganism, intuitive eating, and eating disorder recovery. People with those demographics and interests are a lot more likely to have had an eating disorder or to have done extreme/unhealthy diets. So maybe Abbey's comments apply to 1/3 (as a guess) of her audience, but she isn't recognizing that these problems are not as common on the wider population and likely only apply to 1/20 of Dr. Mike's audience.
I agree with this. I would also argue that in the “young female” demographic, a majority of them do have some disordered eating habits?? I’m in college right now, and habits like under-eating, skipping meals, binging, and vomiting alcohol to get rid of the calories are all completely normalized. It’s actually really scary. I think Abbey has her heart in the right place and just doesn’t want to trigger her audience (though I don’t necessarily think she’s always right).
Yeah I totally agree! Because I do think that what Abby says makes a lot of sense if you have / had an eating disorder. And I kinda get what she's trying to say and so on, but I think, like you said, she doesn't realize it's so different for most other people that are totally different from her.
When Abbey talks about internalized fatphobia, it's not "beliefs" that we can easily change but feelings and biases that take a long time to unlearn. Like, yeah, I can BELIEVE that weight has no bearing on someone's worth as a person but that doesn't stop me from feeling ashamed and/or despaired when I notice I've gained weight. If I could simply turn those feelings off then I would, but it's more complicated than that. I have to consciously change my self-talk and remind myself that my body (and my whole person) is worthy of love and respect no matter what I look like.
Whatever you do, don't attempt to "turn off" your feelings. That is psychological malpractice and only compunds harm for yourself and others, since whatever you repress is going to end up being projected onto others, or come out in some other ugly way. Trust me.
That's true--if it were so simple, people like Abbey Sharp and Dr. Mike wouldn't need to talk about anything regarding weight and fatness. The destruction of fatphobia would essentially dismantle diet industries and all the weight loss businesses and culture because people wouldn't fight this hard to lose fat or to make sure they do not become fat. Not to mention, "fat" is very subjective across all spectrums. Someone who is 5'4" and weighs 130 lbs could be healthy to one person but fat to another. It really depends on the environment you live in.
@xxaleenazxx There are plenty of medical conditions or life-saving medications that cause weight gain. Fat people shouldn't be mocked and are worthy of respects, as much as thin people.
I will say that Abbey’s preaching that “there are no good or bad foods because there’s no morality inherent in food” - literally changed my life. Changing the phrasing from that to “more or less nutritious,” was the greatest change I’ve made in my life. But I feel like a lot of people nowadays are so afraid of putting the “blame” or responsibility on others. It seems she’s trying to protect her audience from thinking they could be doing something wrong.
Omg yes. And her whole “maybe it isn’t necessarily healthy for your body but good for your soul. Just find the balance” helped me so much. No, the ice cream wasn’t good for my health, but my soul needed it and I won’t beat myself up tomorrow for it because I needed to look out for my holistic health.
Me too! I have a long history of disordered eating and Abby's approach of not demonising food has been so helpful. I've maintained a healthy weight now for a few years - partly from Abby, but also, having a good support system who were also, open to learning about different ways to talk about food.
Swayze's videos are super informative and entertaining to watch, but she often oversimplifies the psychological aspects of weight loss and misses the effect of cultural norms. The "stop being racist" comment is proof of that. Similarly, "just eat less" IS actually bad advice according to many dietitians, HAES or not. It doesnt mean it isn't true - it just isn't enough to change behavior. Most people know already we should eat less to lose weight. Also, focusing on healthy lifestyle changes instead of weight loss can actually motivate people more - this has been shown in several studies. This is very easy to believe as well. Who actually loves using the scale anyway? I don't mean we shouldn't use the scale, I'm just saying that sometimes shifting the focus in weight loss a little may be very effective. I think Abbey and Greg/Dr. Mike/Swayze are often talking on different levels and thus they miss each other's points. Abbey is talking more on the psychological and behavioural level, whereas the others are focusing on data and physical health outcomes. I agree that Abbey is sometimes a bit all over the place and tries too hard not to offend anyone, but often she does have good points.
Yes! I love her videos as well but you're totally right. The comment on racism made me cringe real bad. Is it really so hard to believe that unconscious bias is real and it takes a conscious effort to undo?
I agree. As someone who has succeeded at losing weight after years of failure, the only reason I was able to do so is because of medication that my doctor prescribed that seriously SERIOUSLY helped reduce my cravings. It was not a simple matter of mind over matter for me. I COULD NOT stop overeating because my cravings where so over the top. While I did ultimately lose weight because I ate fewer calories than I was expending, I was only able to do that with medical intervention and hands on guidance from my doctor.
I usually agree with you, but in this case I don't completely. I noticed you've used the term 'eating disorders' when Abbey uses 'disordered eating'. Both are a problem, but only one is diagnosable. There are so many people with eating disorders/disordered eating who are never diagnosed and I think you saying it's not that common is severely incorrect. I don't know any women (or many men to be honest) who have not had experience with disordered eating. I know this is anecdotal, and it's hard to prove because as I said there is a difference between an eating disorder and disordered eating, and the latter is rarely diagnosed. I think saying it's rare is really dangerous and inacurate.
Absolutely. I have never met anyone who didn’t have weird anxiety about what they eat at least at some point in their lives, but more commonly, for their whole lives. I definitely think the average person has experienced disordered eating
Disordered eating is huge problem, but disordered eating that is correlated with over-eating, that is. Otherwise it's a small, first-world problems. Obesity, however, is a universal epidemic
I know plenty of girls and boys that haven't had any form of disordered eating (not saying I haven't met any). What I mean by this is that it wasn't a prolonged issue (it might last for a day or a week, and that's it).
"Just stop believing". It really, really doesn't work like that. Not with racism, not with any other fundamental, ingrained belief. It takes time, and work. And that's AFTER you've realized your own beliefs and pedjudices are wrong.
I was looking for a comment like this. Thank you! I think fatphobic, racist, sexist, homophobic things all the time. I always stop myself from saying them out loud, though. It is super super common + in many cases scientifically proven. E.g. it is proven that colorism is real.
Agree. That comment was so ignorant. It took me years to unlearn certain aspects of internalised misogyny (like viewing girly things as less cool/fun) and that's not even getting into the subconscious parts of it, like rating male applicants for a job as more competent when they have the same qualifications as a female applicant (studies have been done on that). They're called subconscious biases for a reason.
Example for internalized racism: im biracial and im alway suprised when theres a poc that isnt from a poor familx even tho im from a risch family myself. its biased thinking that ive unintentionally when i was young and im now trying to unlearn it
Thank you for sharing! As a Southeast Asian woman, I was told for years that I can't pursue screenwriting or film production because Hollywood hates women like me, so I should be in STEM. Really challenging because I'm still in my science field but rekindling my love for screenwriting and being creative
Well, when you live in a society that CONSTANTLY tells you that minorities are poor, why would you think differently? I dont think its racism as much as its conditioning. But do work on that. The fact that you're "always" surprised is disturbing...
@@thatgoodpain internalized racism is conditioned racism. - We likely do not agree on the definition of racism. But, If internalized and conditioned racism are the same thing, wouldn't that just be the mainstream application of "racism"? I intentionally did not add "racism" to "conditioning" because even though internalized and conditioned may have similar meanings they both have times where one is more appropriate than the other. So understand I am asserting that the problem in OP's comment it is not racist, discriminant and ignorant but not racist. Also why do you find it disturbing that the person is always surprised? - I was being hyperbolic when I used "disturbing". Because they stated that they are ALWAYS surprised, meaning that they have not learned better (even thought they later said they are trying to "unlearn" and I am sure they were being hyperbolic as well). I only find this acceptable in 3 scenarios. 1. The OP personally only knows/ meets mostly legitimately poor POC. So when they do see a well off POC it is like seeing a unicorn. Even if that is the case I'd hardly call that racism. I'd call that "your brain collecting and analyzing data and judging accordingly". 2. The OP rarely ever meets POC at all. So it is still the unicorn idea. 3. The OPs standard of "wealth" is so exceptionally high that "POC" who are actually well off still are still considered poor.
I find the racism take, and take on working against internalized phobias in general to be surprisingly naïve and simplistic for a creator that often times has really nuanced takes.
I completely agree. I feel like racism is so nuanced and interwoven in western culture. Just because (as a white person) they don't think of black people as lesser, that doesn't mean they don't have beliefs that are still racist. I think it is extremely important to be aware of those thoughts and behaviors.
@@boop3260 I'm unaware of her BLM response Edit: A third of the way through her response video, I see what you mean. Her take (on BLM) is not surprising knowing that she also identifies as a neo-lib and has the neo-libess takes. Saying that minoritized people having a space for them to aire their grievances is racists, is not a good take. Edit 2: I was really frustrated with how any call for platforming experts of color when BIPOC face institutional disadvantages and discrimination was descried as "racist". Acknowledging how race impacts people and working against that... is not racist.
@@arlokaczor5119 yuuuup. The cherry on top was her second response, which was just her "responding" to comments (or rather, doubling down and refusing to acknowledge experiences outside her own worldview and criticism from her Black viewers)
40% of people who struggle with eating disorders will continue to struggle even after “effective treatment” for many of us it is a life long struggle. It honestly broke my heart a little to hear you, someone who I respect a lot, say in such a casual way that “ most people who have eating disorders likely won’t forever” so casually. I am incredibly happy for you to have battled and won and that food doesn’t control you anymore! That’s great! I admire you for that. Please do not belittle the constant struggle a lot of people will continue to deal with though.
If 40% continue to struggle then that would mean (if the information you are referencing falls into a strict scientific method formulation of two groups) 60% don’t. That would be a majority. If it was a more strict 50/50 or 55/45 then yes, there’s a much higher chance that people will struggle with it forever. But per the information you’ve referenced in your statement it’s less likely a person will struggle forever than recover.
@@brandygray8499 It is valid, but it means her statement isn't wrong. The other 60%, which is a majority, will not have an eating disorder forever. It is not belittling to state that a majority will recover. It doesn't mean that there should be no more work done to help the remaining people who still continue to struggle, but she didn't say or elude to that, only that a majority of people do recover, based upon the evidence we currently have.
Yea I’m not really getting better I have done partial hospitalization program, intensive outpatient program and outpatient now and I still have that eating disorder mindset. I am still scared of calories and breaking my food rituals so I feel like shit still
True but it IS POSSIBLE to make a full recovery from an eating disorder despite what Abbey Sharp might make it seem like. That’s the thing that frustrates me about her most. Eating disorders are very real, I would know, but there comes a point when you have to let go of it and realize it’s not a personality trait. You have to let go of it if you want to live a fulfilling adult life.
@@amysteele6540 some of us have mental illnesses that do make it a lifelong battle. And Abbey has helped me keep going. Also, there is a difference between EDs and disordered eating. Abbey discusses disordered eating in a general way, not EDs. Disordered eating includes going on crash diets and being obsessed with food even when eating enough without there being a diagnosable eating disorder.
xosecox12 No doubt some let it be a lifelong battle. There is a misconception that people who hang on to their ed have a more severe case which I find to be the opposite of true. Usually those who hang on feel they have something to prove. An eating disorder doesn’t make your more interesting, it’s quite the opposite! I hope one day you can find the strength to heal and realize there’s more to you than that!
"Some foods are healthy, some foods are not" okay but it's not really that black and white? You can make a nuitritous Veggie soup and add too much salt or unhealthy fats or add refined sugar to a superfruit smoothie. We have this weird idea that nutritional benefits disappear because things are not as healthy as they could be. There are plenty of foods that have healthy and unhealthy aspects.
But if you took those foods apart you could point out which foods were healthy and which foods weren’t. Like even in your comment you specifically separated the healthy food from the unhealthy food, separating the vegetables (healthy) from too much salt and unhealthy fat (you even call some fats specifically unhealthy) and seperating whole fruits from sugar.
@@jenellebelle9828 Yes that is why I think that instead we should say unhealthy ingredients, not foods. No one is saying that nothing you put in your mouth was healthy or unhealthy. If that was your takeaway my bad. I my point is more this idea that an unhealthy ingredient is seen as... Corrupting an otherwise extremely healthy food. That nutrients cease to exist when an unhealthy ingredient is present. So I think that is a big part of the mentality that creates unhealthy relationships with food.
Wowww I love this comment! Diet cultures often perpetuates this idea of all or nothing or that things cancel each other out...nutrition is nutrition and it doesn’t matter how you season it, serve it, etc. you aren’t cancelling out those nutrients! Many foods have different aspects but rarely are they so black and white as “healthy” and “unhealthy”
"Just stop being racist" is really simplifying a systemic, generational, and sometimes unconscious set of beliefs that many people have. I find that comment really naive. If it was that easy to not be racist do y'all think we'd live in the racist world that we very much still live in?
Exactly what I came to say. There are many studies that have been conducted that show that even children have unconscious bias when it comes to race. This was a bad take altogether
While there are lots of people who benefit by being racist because of political or economic reasons, which is more clear and "easy" to see, there is so much more to it and is a pretty complex subject to deal with, we can talk about religion and racism, social background, economic racism, morality, media and just so much more. Again...a LOT of people have benefited from the "convenience" of racism, from cheap labor to political parties, is not as simple as just "stop being a racist" so I disagree with her on this one
Yes exactly. Also came to comment the same thing. I’m surprised to hear her say that unconscious bias doesn’t exist. We all have it, and need to do the work to unlearn it. As a vegan, an intellectual, and fairly progressive, I’m surprised to hear she still denies that. Swayze, please reconsider your position on this topic. There’s countless resources out there to help you understand why this bias exists and how to work on unlearning it.
I took pause when she said that most people who have eating disorders likely won’t forever. Almost everyone I know who has had an ED hasn’t ever “gotten over it.” Even if they are now physically healthy, those disordered thoughts are most often engrained
@@hmacklemore2226 That’s her experience though. There are many more experts like her - as well as actual scientists researching the topic - who have worked with many more folks with EDs.
I agree w/everything, except on bigotry being easy to stop. A lot of bigotry stems from conditioning & insecurity. I'm not saying a bigot shouldn't work to stop, but it takes a lot of work to stop internalized belief systems that have gratified & given you a sense of safety & identity for your whole life.
I'm confused by your stance against internalized racism (as in: it doesn't exist). Do you not believe that a person's decisions can influenced by subconscious biases?
@@yaash4123 for example, you might know logically and factually that you're good at your job but that doesn't mean you believe it. Humans aren't robots. They can't delete code from their brains. If you grow believing in something it will take time for your brain to get rid of that way of thinking even if you know it's a problem
i think a lot of people misunderstand the concept of internalized discrimination. internalized racism, for example, is not a white person's subconscious racist bias - it's the involuntary acceptance of racist bias by the othered. it's not as easy to let go of as "don't be racist" when you have grown into a low self worth that then manifests in various ways and is often projected to others as well (whether thinking less of members of one's own race or thinking more of whites/less marginalized races). not to mention that a racially oppressed person cannot de facto be racist... likewise internalized fatphobia would probably mean the fatshaming of oneself (and for the people who are fatshamed by society at large, both the involuntary applying of those notions to oneself and their projection to others who are alike).
@@SpyderT22 that’s not true, not anyone. Race is a social construct created to create a class system. Also internalized racism is in reference to people of color internalizing negative stereotypes and it manifests in their lives. That doesn’t mean their being racist to themselves. It’s the negative effects of racism manifesting in their lives.
25:10 As a fellow atheist, I am astonished that "just stop believing wrong ideas" is a compelling argument for you. Do the religious people you know seriously question their core beliefs and faith at such a request, and change when presented with facts contradicting their worldview? Otherwise this was a great video! I guess even the most rational skeptical individuals can still have unquestioned, subconscious beliefs. A warning to us all.
I don't really think you can cut off the part she is responding to and understand the context of her response. Abby seems to be aware of her "fatphobia" and Swazy is saying don't believe in that then. It's probably off script which is why it seems off. 24:02
Honestly one of the best examples of rational, skeptical individuals having irrational beliefs is Matt Dillahunty. Dude is a powerhouse in debates on atheism, but if you watch his veganism debate he falls flat on his face and falls into the same traps he criticizes theists for.
Completely inadequate comparison. There are no facts supporting or denying the existence of a god. You are not inherently against logic/science/facts for believing in God (some of the most intelligent people in history were devoutly religious) nor are you automatically logical and rational for not believing. Staunchly denying the existence of a God is no more based in fact than is staunch piety.
@@TheCinnamondemon ^^^ Im so tired of the stereotype that religious people are “irrational.” The most intelligent people in my life are devout Christians
@@Becky0494 agreed! the smartest person i know is a practicing catholic, and i admit i had some biases bc his religiousness surprised me. him besides, almost every religious person in my life possesses a high level of wisdom, common sense, and kindness. theres a certain maturity that you get when you have a purpose larger than yourself and youre not trying to impress anyone but god. of course this behavior is not exclusive to religious people, I just notice it esp amongst them.
I am Asian and I've had to work hard to unlearn a lot of the negative stereotypes about my community. I grew up around the narrative that we're all meek, physically incapable, unassertive, and feminine. Portrayals of Asian men on TV back then were always nerds and comic relief with zero sex appeal. When you grow up being bombarded with these messages, you end up believing those things about yourself. For a long time I considered myself asexual because I thought no one could like Asian men. It took a lot of effort, help, self-care, to not believe in these stereotypes about myself. Dealing with internalized racism is not easy. Just because you don't understand it does not mean it is easy or not a big deal. Your dismissive attitude about racial issues is really hurtful and insensitive.
Yes, the dismissive way she talked about this made me think she doesn't understand exactly what it means? The "internalized" part means it's about harboring those ideas about yourself - racism towards *yourself* and others like you, misogyny towards *yourself* and other women, etc. Internalized misogyny is similar in that it's about women harboring ideas of inferiority because of growing up being taught that we are in some ways inferior, which can lead to things like not following your dreams because they're not "feminine" enough, or thinking other women can't be scientists or breadwinners or whatever because you believe the misogynistic things you've been taught by society and people around you.
Yes I wasn't a fan of this at the end, thank you for your perspective. And you're both right, there is subtle internalized misogyny and racism, something as subtle as "I'm a feminist but I don't think you should be wearing that short dress" or "She's a strong black woman therefore she can take all this extra pressure and criticism that I may not put on a white woman."
I completely agree. Dismissing internalized racism at the end actually bothered me way more than the entire fatphobia dilemma.. And I feel sorry you have had to struggle with those thoughts. Not trying to be creepy but, if it means anything, I have like a huge thing for asian men lol and cannot understand why they were always portrayed so poorly by the media. :( you guys are hot af 🔥
I'm so sorry to hear about your past experiences and very glad your thoughts have changed! Internalized racism is so hurtful and such a sad thing... Wish you the best for the future! And high five from a fellow Asian :D (although I'm a girl and of course not dealing with the lack of portrayal of attractive Asian men in mainstream media and so on, didn't wanna seem dismissive about that)
I ate a tiny jar of Nutella in 20 hours. I’ve been working hard so I deserve it🤷♀️ I do feel bad though and I’ve been chugging water lol but yes!!! Do what you want as long as you’re healthy
Neither did I when I was young in my twenties. There’s not a lot I could do that I felt immediate impact and I honestly didn’t appreciate what those bad choices would mean for middle age later. I’m 42 now. I would never do that. Unless I just stopped caring about my self, health and future.
Abbey didn't really listen to what Dr. Mike was saying and you didn't really listen to what Abbey said either? this whole thing was really frustrating to watch. and the racism comment was a miss
Watching any Swayze critique on Abbey won't be unbiased or involve really listening because of Swayze oversimplifying weight loss/disordered eating and acting like a nutritionist when she's actually a philosophy major. Idk why she thinks she's an expert on health and nutrition when she has no authority in the area. Its condescending and disrespectful. What's also funny is that Abbey reacted to Swayze’s meals and liked them and was nice to her. But she still comes at her in such a condescending way as if she's been attacked
@@DANGJOS but that is still assuming that she knows more and has read more than a registered dietitian who went to school and is than likely is more well/read on nutrition literature and studies.
@@Meliaison She doesn't need to know more. She just needs to be able to read the relevant literature, interpret it correctly/rationally, and fact check what Abbey says in the video, as she did at one point in the video. Health science isn't like other sciences. It's complicated. I would bet that many different, well read, dieticians have vastly different opinions on what is the best diet for health. I'm not going to agree with whatever Abbey Sharp says just because she has a degree in nutrition.
Some points I want to make, because I feel this video was made more rooted in anti-intuitive eating and with some personal baggage behind it rather than considering the purpose behind it. 1. Isn’t anorexia and/or bulimia the deadliest mental illness? 2. Don’t forget also that over eating/ binge eating is also an eating disorder. 3. We SHOULD be careful about the diet culture terms that are out there. A lot of times (not all) binge eating disorders or disordered eating in general are a result of mental illness, trauma, etc. Attaching words like “bad” or “good” foods increases the emotions around food, which is where the problem is in the first place. People who are in a dark place and feel bad can often self sabotage with “bad” food because they feel they are also “bad” and deserve to suffer. We have to take the emotions out of it. Food is what we need to survive and we should be allowed to enjoy it without emotional baggage. I’ve worked with my nutritionist on this about losing weight and she said the exact same thing (without attributing anything to any sort of philosophy like intuitive eating). I’ve also worked with therapists about self-image and how to remove negative self talk, including with food. You’re not a bad person for making a mistake; you’re not a bad person for having cravings, etc. One thing I like about intuitive eating (even if it’s not exactly the message) is it gets me thinking about what my BODY needs and not what I want. I don’t particularly like everything about the “intuitive eating” mantra either, but I feel this video hit a nerve with you and you got on the defensive rather than considering everyone’s different situations. You’ve been on the eating disorder spectrum, you’ve worked hard to get out of it, but remember, there are millions of people with eating disorders or struggling with disordered thinking. We have to be careful about what we say and what we portray. Any diet should be a personal discussion between a person and their doctor. Not something that people (even doctors) can prescribe on TH-cam.
You’re right. And I also don’t appreciate this condescending style of response videos, whereas ironically Abbey Sharp is very respectful with her responses. There are so many fallacies in unnatural vegan’s arguments.
on the racism point - I tbink maybe you should read more about internalised racism and subconscious bias. it’s not something you can just magically get rid of overnight, and it’s why representation is so important. You probably already know of the John/Jennifer and John/Juan studies. I don’t think anyone involved would identify as racist or sexist. but in experimental settings, the subtle biases that have massive effects on the aggregate of society become clear edit: correcting the name of Jennifer and added a couple links in the description.
@@4rachel5 Yeah but these kinds of things work together. You can fight on multiple levels, and it's what can actually work in the end (at least it's how I view it)
@@4rachel5 of course, I was just pointing out that subconscious bias is why representation is important (as well as the benefits that come from seeing yourself represented). Changing oppressive structures isn't important because removing them will remove unconscious bias, it's important bc they're oppressive.
@@yaash4123 Yeah I'm saying the analogy doesn't work because racism doesn't work like she described.. you can't just think "I'm not racist" and be done with it.
I was planning on writing a long comment pointing out that Abbey's idea of overall health includes mental health, which she should really be more clear on, but WOW that racism comment at the end floored me so much I've forgotten what I wanted to say. Your attitude is simplistic, holier-than-thou, and frankly does more harm than good when trying to help someone unlearn their internalized biases. Yikes.
holier than thou? nah. maybe too simplistic and wishful thinking but i kinda get what she's saying. being a decent person and just not hating people just should come naturally. of course our environment can give us the wrong influences but even people brought up by racists can not be racist because they understand that it's wrong. being a decent person and respecting others shouldn't be so hard
thank you SO MUCH. I was hoping it wasn't just me. This video is really hard to get through, even tho I wanted to see her points I kept getting more disgusted....
I really like your videos and as a vegan you are a big inspiration for me. Everything else in the video was great, except the comment on internalised racism and homophobia. Internalised bias is very very real and telling someone who is openly admitting they struggle with it is just awful. Someone can have internalised homophobia, while still knowing full well that everyone deserves to love who they want regardless of gender. I know the feeling of having intrusive biased thoughts while on an intellectual level being of the complete opposite opinion, and feeling very ashamed. Internalised bias should be talked about more and not swept under the rug, because of people like you, just straight up calling them racist or homophobic, because it just isn't the same thing.
Yeah, I just rewatched this and forgot this was the video where she said that, and I completely disagree with her. I wish she'd apply her love of science to this issue someday. There's so much research proving this is the case.
I'm very overweight. When I was calorie counting, I measured everything & I got obsessed to the point of panic attacks over unmeasured food. I would restrict & it would lead to a big binge. Intuitive Eating definitely works for me. I don't think it works for everybody. You really need to be in tune with your body & know nutrition. Some people's binge eating disorder might be too strong & they can't stick to IE long enough for it to work. I have lost weight with Intuitive Eating so far & have learned how to not binge on my favorite go-to unhealthy foods. It's very freeing.
Same here. I intuitively eat and it’s making me eat healthier. I’ve also realized my problem isn’t food, it’s lack of movement. I have fibromyalgia and don’t always exercise because I’m in pain, but I need to push myself to at least go for a walk. I really think people need to leave Abbey Sharp alone. She promotes healthy eating and exercise, but in a mentally healthy way. She’s helped me so much. And you know what? If my body is craving an extra spoonful of peanut butter, I eat it! Then I have no craving for sweets.
@@latrishahope Exercise can actually help with your pain in the long run. Besides walking, swimming & yoga are great exercises to help relieve fibromyalgia pain. I hope you feel better.
@@fanny7817 thank you! Yes I try to do what I can. I used to be obsessed with hot yoga then the pandemic 😭 I like to walk and do light weights. Believe it or not regular yoga causes flare up because certain positions like the downward dog pose aggravates my trigger points
Hello there everyone, just my two cents: Cent 1: Though I agree with most things you said in this video and I really thing Abbey Sharp just tries to please everyone and to get views I do want to touch on one topic. I feel like you make it seem like everybody who does not have an eating disorder has a healthy relationship with food, but a lot of people suffer from disordered eating habits without having a full on ed. You say most people don't have an eating disorder, most people are obese. But isn't obesity closely linked to disordered eating? Things like calorie counting or portion restriction or fasting can very well negatively impact someones relationship with food without giving them already having an eating disorder or giving them an eating disorder. All in all I think you missed a big grey area of people that might have a "healthy weight" but find food hard to eat or not to eat sometimes that can also really benefit from Abbeys message about diet culture and intuitive eating. Cent 2: Saying you "don't understand" internalized fat phobia and that it is stupid to try and unlearn these behaviors because you can just "stop being fat phobic" comes across as very naive to say the least. Even when you are actively and wholeheartedly against the discrimination against fat people you still have to unlearn thought patterns and behaviors that have been ingrained into you by society. You have to actively learn to even recognize fat phobia and keep confronting yourself with your own thoughts if you ever want to change anything about your viewpoints.
I agree a lot with your Cent 2- I literally said "what!" when she said (abouts), "If you can't just stop being fatphobic/racist/etc., that's weird, that's a problem." Like, these patterns of thinking are societally ingrained and it's hard enough just to learn to recognize them on sight. It's SO ignorant to say, "Lol, just stop thinking x." Her train of thinking about internal biases is just unscientific. I agreed with pretty much everything she said in the video up until that point.
@@Adrian-do6rj exactly! White people (like myself) are so defensive on racism that they are too scared to challenge themselves and their beliefs. Hiding behind "but I'm not racist" is not helpful at all if we want to end systemic racism. Im not saying UV is saying all that ofcourse, but I feel like the mindset of "just dont be racist" is similar.
@@madeleinnielen8507 totally agree. The whole “internalized racism as a concept is hurtful” just comes across as a strong case for white fragility. It has nothing to do with a person’s character that they may have internal biases against certain minorities. I’m a bisexual woman and I’ve dealt with internalized homophobia a lot, and it’s not because I was even raised to be homophobic- it’s because gay and lesbian relationships especially have been showcased as less “legitimate” than hetero relationships in media. I think UV takes these concepts too personally when it has little to do with her as a person
As many people pointed out, internalized phobias and -isms are a subconscious thing and they don't change through logic. I catch my thoughts and even actions contradicting my conscious behavior all the time. Also, it's not just calories in/out and genetics/disease/medication. The type of foods/nutrients you consume increase or decrease the probability of gaining/losing fat.
I personally do intuitive eating and it works well for me BUT it took time to get there. Most adults aren't naturally able to interpret hunger cues accurately, especially when we're constantly surrounded by cheap, hyperpalatable foods. It's a skill that has to be learned. I like Abbey and enjoy her videos but always appreciate your takes (:
You bring up a very valid point. I see a lot of people defending intuitive eating which may work for some people, but the problem is that intuitive eating does have to be learned and so many people like Abbey just kind of promote it haphazardly and will randomly throw in about how it needs to be learned, without ever actually teaching it. Like a lot of people have said the issue is that Abbey views everything through the lens of having an eating disorder.
I do think Abbey is trying so hard to "not offend" anyone and a lot of times she contradicts herself, I'm fully aware that obesity is a pandemic and is detrimental for your health, and I do think that a lot of these fat phobia claims are pretty absurd honestly. But with that said, I've been anorexic, bulimic, and a binge eater, I punished myself so hard for eating stuff categorized "unhealthy" and I become this obsessive monster towards food, I canceled events with friends or family constantly because it wasn't "my cheat day". I'm an engineer student so believe me, I know about how thermodynamics work and yes, is calories in vs calories out, but the complexity of the psychology behind it is so underestimated by so many "fitness gurus" or health coaches and even doctors, is very unfortunate. I do agree with Dr Mike on pretty much everything, but I must admit that some cores of intuitive eating helped me stop feeling this constant guilt towards food and it has allowed me to lose weight and be more healthy overall.
@@hayleym1483 I find it hard to believe the words of someone who stance changes so he/she can please everyone. You should never try to please everyone, is absurd and impossible. Someone always is going to find a problem with what you say or think. It makes me think that the person is willing to twist their own values and believes according to the person they are talking to. And I really don't like that , I do think that people learn and their's stance on things changes accordingly, but this is not the case I believe
tysm for this!! i think people really overlook the psychological reasons behind intuitive eating and make it out to just be eating whatever you want until you end up on My 600 lb life
100% agree. Abbey might be wrong about some things, but at least she acknowledges that she does not know everything and is working on herself, while UV can sometimes be so arrogant and ignorant that it hurts. Rolling my eyes so hard...
I understood Abbey perfectly about the internalized fatphobia. How is that hard to imagine? When I see an obese person I catch myself thinking “wow she looks horrible” and then I feel horrible for thinking that. And you cant just stop doing that. Thats why its called internalized... And I know I do that because of the stupid beauty standards! So its not even my fault that I have this thinking pattern.
Abbey very clearly says “disordered eating” and not “eating disorders” and i can promise you it is NOT rare to have patterns of disordered eating. you stated that yourself in the video. good for you you were able to over come that so easily but it is a lifelong journey for a lot of us. also you clearly have never heard a fat person tell a story about going to a doctor. it isn’t a small issue. MANY doctors simply will not look past someone’s weight into other issues they may be having and say “lose weight” as if it is the cure all when many other problems may be happening. the medical industry IS fatphobic. don’t even get me started on the internalized racism comment 🙃 ugh this was really lame
Intuitive eating doesn't mean "eat every craving you have", it means "eat what your body needs". A lot of people don't know how to differentiate between "I want this because it's yummy" vs "My body needs this"
YES. And as someone who’s had eating disorders heavily in my past I need to normalize food rather then being terrified to eat a piece of bread. Anytime I try to restrict myself too much or have too many rules I literally just stop eating entirely. I have a schedule for eating but I’m not strict because I know my body and how it works and what it needs. Intuitive eating isn’t just “o I want cookie, yum ima eat the entire jar everyday” . For me it’s more like “yo I hate my body and want to fast for a week, but my body could probably use a smoothie and burrito so I’ll eat it and have energy” Shits making me pissed
@@microwavebrain1035 thank you for being so open. Your point of view adds extra clarification that is so important! I wish more people knew the true meaning of intuitive eating and how to apply it to both losing weight and to recovering from eating disorders. This is an imperative element of health my sister and I are trying to learn.
I think Abbey’s content tends to be geared toward those with eating disorders. So for that community( I include myself as someone who struggles with BED) the whole cheat meal concept is very harmful. Abbey is very open about her former struggles with ED and I think Swayze is not taking that into consideration. I think Abbey does a lot of good helping those who do moralize food in a negative way. Kind of another example of Swayze missing the point. Part of why I have unsubbed.
With internalised fatphobia i think she means that she looks down on her body or feels bad about not being skinny even though she rationally knows theres nothing wrong or bad with being chubby etc. Your definition of internalised racism is.. off? If im not wrong, most people refer to internalised racism as in people of colour looking down on their lack of whiteness. For example, a black person viewing their hair as ugly or bad just because afro hair socially is looked down upon a lot in society. That person can know that theres nothing wrong or bad with being black and having curly hair, but still deep down have those thoughts due to trauma or social situation. Im gay, and sometimes I still feel bad about seeming too gay, or doing something too stereotypical, even though im GAY and not homophobic. I view that as internalised homophobia.
I totally agree, I just gives off the vibes of not taking responsibility as a white person to check yourself for unconscious biases towards race. Like that's just white privilege for her to dust off all that.
That racism comment girl 💀 Shoulda just left that out sis, it's way more complicated than that. Your take felt really dismissive and places individual blame when more often than not the most long lasting and damaging effects of racism occur both in systemic ways and implicit ways.
It’s so disappointing to hear her views on race because her other videos on veganism and the community are so insightful. I don’t think she fully understands the concept of internalized racism and a lot of issues surrounding systematic racism.
Fantastic commentary on Abbey Sharp. However, as many others have stated, your perspective on internalised racism is overly simplistic, naive and detrimental. I think a good quote which demonstrates the process of unlearning internalised racism/bias is: "You are not responsible for your the first thought that pops into your mind. But you are responsible for your second thought and your following actions". It takes time to relearn how to respond to your initial biases, you can't just rewire your thought pattern overnight.
I cant believe you dont believe in internalised racism. "Oh have you tried changing the beliefs you were unconciously raised with and dont even know you have a lot of times ? "Try reading some basic psychology books. Like I'm really disappointed.
Right? A few years ago I wouldn't have said I was racist.. and after learning about system racism, I would say there are behaviours I have that I have to work on because I was raised in a colonised society.. just because I don't have racist interactions with poc, doesn't mean I can't work on my beliefs.
yeah it really surprised me too, especially because a lot of the attributions you make about people can be unconscious, and then you rationalize your thoughts and behaviors. You might even believe you're not racist, when in fact you are racist.
I find it really disheartening the number of times that you seem to intentionally take Abbey out of context. Maybe it’s your internalized bias showing. Also, it’s worth repeating others comments. Disordered eating is not necessarily synonymous with having an eating disorder. (Think rectangles and squares.) Both are far more common than you seem to realize. Abbey being a source that notes signs of disordered eating and pointing out potential triggers for people is not an attack against you. Comparing the handling of a food allergy to an eating disorder is highly dismissive and tone deaf. Speaking of tone deaf... “Just stop having those beliefs.” Internalized bias is real. Internalized racism is real. I’ll leave it to your BIPOC viewers to address this in more detail. Be better.
It's such a shame- I'm a dietitian and I was so happy to see a dietitian becoming popular. However, she's become more and more HAES and has got deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole and I really cannot stand watching her anymore. She isn't using the evidence that is what underpins the dietitians. She cherry picks and really does not listen to the science, making her a poor dietitian. Such a shame.
Not a dietitian, but I just find the HAES movement really frustrating. Most of us will never look like models, no matter how healthy we eat or how much we work out. It's great to celebrate that! However, I see people using HAES to justify not eating healthy food, even if it's available to them, or not exercising. HAES != every size is healthy.
I think she's just really susceptible to followers' comments in general. (Which makes sense -- I'm sure it's difficult to block all that out when you're active in the comments like she is.) At this point, she's been pulled in so many directions trying not to offend anyone that her message isn't coherent anymore.
Thank you, I was getting frustrated thinking that all dieticians are now jumping on this weird HAES train. Good to see that not all dietician agree with her
@Snow White couldn’t have said it bette myself!!!! If we’re truly concerned about people’s health we need to realize that this approach of just telling people to lose weight is NOT working. In fact it usually backfires...
I've been obese for years and I find that Abby can only tackle ED from the undereating side of the spectrum. Like, at 250lbs it would have been detrimental to me not to count calories. I wish that she at least was honest about who her advice might work for (skinny women with ED, not fat people that binge).
I have to disagree. As someone who WAS obese, and is now within the normal BMI, her videos helped me alter my mindset to a point where I’m not obsessed with food and calorie counting anymore, rather I enjoy eating and cooking stress free. I don’t agree with her on every count, but to me that’s just a point of discussion, not an end all to cancel her.
Agreed, I have anorexia and her criticism of people's wieiad videos in terms of being perfectly nutritionally balanced whilst also saying to eat intuitively is confusing and conflicting information to me and leads me to distrust dieticians
I think there are people from all kinds of walks of life and struggles that can benefit from what she advocates for. I think my main problem with her, atleast in the past, was that she was pretty dogmatic about the HAES and intuitive eating stuff, almost as if she genuinely believed what saved her can save absolutely everyone. I think she has eased up a bit on that nowadays, and she's much less shamey of people wanting to lose weight. I think it would be fine for her to just keep reminding people that "I support you if you want to lose weight, but this is not a weight loss channel". I know she made a video entitled "I support you if you want to lose weight" back in January, but that kind of message needs to be as recurring as the opposite used to be on her channel, or people aren't going to get the memo lol.
Me too. I'm overweight and trying to lose weight to get down to a healthy range, and had to stop watching Abbey because she just has no understanding of what life is like for anyone who has suffered with overeating, obesity, or excess weight. She also doesn't understand treatment programs for BED, in which limiting or eliminating trigger foods is actually a key part at least initially. I left a comment a year or so ago on one of her videos and which she went on a rant about how losing weight intentionally is bad, and told her that as someone who has suffering health consequences because of my weight that her view was really harmful and unsupportive. Her next video out after that was an apology to people like me lol. I think she needs more push back from our side of the community because right now her primary audience are people like her who have suffered with orthorexia or dieting, not people with overeating habits. in the times when I visited her channel recently most of her videos seem like she's just projecting her unresolved orthorexia therapy on to her audience
Exactly! I'm not obese but I struggle with BED and I would probably be much much bigger if I didn't count calories (it helped with my eating disorder actually). Eating whatever you feel like guilt free is not a good idea for binge eaters lol
Intuitive eating helped me through the quarentine, as I have food fears and bad moments with eating. I do eat to the point of satisfaction, conscious of my weight gain or loss because of the amount/type of food. I'm more conscious of what I eat and drink. I honour the comfort and health over pure hunger pain.
Same here. Intuitive eating has taught me that it's okay to stop eating because I'm full and save the rest for later, because I know I can have some the next day. If I was still restricting, I would feel the need to finish even if I was full because it was my "one chance" to eat this "bad" food.
She annoys me already. Saying that Mike should say that fasting isn't for everyone while she most of the time does NOT say that herself even though it counts for the things she says as well. Not everything she says is for everyone. Actually her things are mostly for people that ate too little and/or were super controlling woth food.
more people struggle with obesity and metabolic diseases (which doctor Mike associated himself with) than a specific type of disordered eatIng like Abby's. Disordered eatIng actually has many types, and not all are like what Abby's portrayed.. Abby oversimplifies things a lot
I definitely agree, she neglects to recognize that people who are overweight and attempting to lose weight with disordered eating or those with Binge-Eating Disorder that causes weight gain would be detrimentally impacted by “intuitive eating” in a vastly different way than those in a worse state of health and those underweight, even seeking to lose more weight.
Counting calories actually keeps me from the binge/purge bulimia cycle because staying at a reasonable calorie level makes sure I never reach that horrible overly full feeling. I know it triggers some people, but I'm not one of them
I hope this isn’t too odd but ... could I message you about this? I struggle with binging at night and tracking does help me but I’ll immediately stop tracking as soon as I can’t track something specifically. (Like a bite of something or something I made at home that I don’t know the exact info for) 😔 im so sick of the cycle and waking up with severe heartburn from binging and feeling fucking horrible
@@picklejuice2 hi, i know you weren't talking to me, but i have struggled with this too. On rare occasions when i could not count a thing, i found it helpful to let myself eat the thing and just count everything ELSE. I accept a small uncounted surplus for that day in exchange for not binging. For me this happens rarely enough that I don't gain weight long term.
@@picklejuice2 Sure! Feel free. I'm not a doctor or a therapist, but I can tell you what I do. If I don't know the count of something, I'll find a similar recipe online or a similar product on my tracker and just plug that in. You'll be in the ballpark and that's more than good enough.
"If you finish your portion of seeds and are hungry for more, then go and eat more" If I follow that I'll be eating kilos of pecans at a time, and I'm not even exaggerating. I know nuts are supposed to be healthy, but I think that's a few too many
same here, with peanuts. especially the salted ones, so tasty. i could go through bags of it. i think that taking just 1 portion and not go back and eat more is a good idea in my case.
I feel like there is a nuance that is being lost in most of these conversations, but is very important. There is a difference between being still hungry, and still wanting more. I, as a person in recovery from Binge Eating Disorder, have a lot of issues with the intuitive eating thing, but as I've worked very hard to learn to listen to my body (and it's been a lot of work, and I'm still only so-so at it), being allowed to go back for more if I'm still HUNGRY is something that has been super helpful to me. The important thing tho, is that it's not that I'm going back just because I want more. Tbh the thing I hate most about Intuitive Eating is it's name. I think the idea of listening to your body is great, but it's not intuitive at all, because you have to learn to listen to your BODY and not your mind, or your tongue. And trust me, your objection here is one I've made a hundred times. It's super reasonable. I agree. I 100% feel like people who promote "Intuitive Eating" don't discuss how absolutely not intuitive it is. You aren't listening to whatever the hell you want. But learning to listen to what actually makes your body feel good, which takes a lot of time and effort, is IMO the idea of it. Then again, I haven't actually read the book(s) on the topic, I just follow people who promote it.
That’s pretty much what happened to me when I did intuitive eating. I tried it for two months and gained nearly 30 pounds. And I was already 15 pounds overweight to start out with. I was convinced that my body was resetting but nope, I just have a massive appetite and love food.
A.S Bernard I’m the same. Intuitive Eating did NOT work for me, at least when I was still at that stage in life. I started losing weight by calorie counting about six months ago, and have incorporated a few intuitive eating principles into my eating, and they work a bit better now. But calorie counting is still the main thing that trumps intuitive eating.
Everyone makes the same joke because they aren't sure what is meant by intuitive eating. if you ate that many pecans intuitively, your body would pretty soon be like "woah, stop now". If you just ate them while watching tv then yeah, you could eat too many. I recently bought a big bag of brazil nuts after not having any for ages and the first day they tasted INCREDIBLE and now they are back to just tasting normal, we don't binge unless we restrict, for the most part.
i agreed with most things you said up until the internalized racism bit. if we could “just stop” our beliefs, then i’m sure all the systemic racism the us is plagued with would also “just stop.” i’m asian, and i consciously understand that racism is bad like everyone else, but that doesn’t exempt me from from my unconscious beliefs/stereotypes about other races like blacks and latinos and indigenous folks that have been hammered into my brain via the media and subliminal messaging. i have to consciously force myself to undo all the conditioning and erase those beliefs, subbing them in for new ones. i think criticizing someone for trying to work on undoing these things is similarly harmful, and although i don’t agree with everything being automatically considered racist (reinforcing the snowflake ideology), i do think we should continue to work against seemingly “obvious”-ly harmful beliefs. that’s the only way they’ll dissipate, and the only way we can improve as a society. undoing the belief that fat is inherently ugly is clear evidence of this, especially to those with eating disorders. it’s a constant uphill battle, and doesn’t happen because you just “know” that judging someone based on their appearance is wrong. i think there’s a lot of work to be done on both sides here.
As someone with significant health problems causing me to see so many doctors I've lost count, it's not just the older doctors but equally both. Ive even found the newer the doctor the more likely they were to completely ignore my concerns and go straight to weight loss, even when I had a very low fat percentage as the focused way more on bmi than they should have. I've been misdiagnosed because of my weight because they focused far more on the weight causing my health problems and not the other way around. I think there are still fundamental wrong beliefs doctors come out of med school with towards weight because they have "horses not zebras" so pressed into their brain they see weight as the catch all, and it takes years of research to unlearn it. Weight shouldnt be ignored but I also do not think it should be the first thing talked about as it is currently.
I have luckily not ever struggled with food and I find some of Abby's messages make me more uncertain about the way I eat. For example all the intuitive eaters saying that consciously not having specific things in the house is part of diet culture and unhealthy to a certain degree. I find the very light "discipline" I have around food doesn't bother me at all and then I watch her videos and only then do I question my behavior around food and if I'm healthy or not even though I feel perfectly fine the way it is.
Yeah i think that just means you understand what tempts you and you have found a way to control the temptations. I don't keep candy at the house because if it's here: i will eat it. Quickly. Because it's delicious. There's so much science that we aren't good at knowing how much we've eaten and when to stop, so managing it is just wise.
I agree with you on so many levels. After watching her reviews of WIEIAD videos, I started to ask myself things at meals like, does this actually have a good balance of fat carbs and protein??? but in a slightly anxious, not so great way, thinking I was being unbalanced even when I'm not and going back and forth on choices that were healthy as is, rather than just, ironically, 'intuitively' just EATING the darn meal! Having to tell myself of course to snap out of it, I have a good relationship with food, my days overall are balanced as a whole and I don't need to 'abbey review' and critique individual meals like that!!
I’m so glad she helped you as someone who is struggling right now I get that this video may be hard for you mabey try to skip reviews of Abby sence a lot of them comment on the same points hope you are doing good in your recovery:)
honestly i feel like it would be best for you to stop talking about race because you seem to always mishandle it, your perspective is often misinformed, weirdly condescending, and very surface level.
I still remember her video on BLM and I had to unsubscribe. This is the first video I’ve seen from her since then. I guess not much has changed. Won’t probably be back.
Haven’t watched much of your video yet, but I just wanna say following Abbey Sharpe and loosely doing intuitive eating has been amazing for my mental health and I have actually been eating healthier and have felt fitter and lost some weight. I was doing a lot of comfort and boredom eating and by mindfully eating whenever I’m hungry and noticing how I feel after eating certain foods (like feeling crap after eating junkfood) I just feel a lot better and my relationship with food is really healthy. Also, that sponsorship looks real suspicious.
Hi Swayze, I appreciate the time and energy taken to make this video. Ia also appreciate you giving a different perspective and view point. Certainly Abby's stand point and advice does not work for everyone but I find some of her messages helpful myself. The only points I wanted to raise with you really was that you said we can't qualify everything and you're right my only issue is that advising people to skip meals might be harmful so I feel that actually that would be a good place to make a disclaimer. We know that a lot of people who watch videos about food and diet do struggle with disordered eating so I think actually that is a fair point. Hope you and your family are safe. PS I haven't finished watching yet so I might update this. Edit, completely fair point that the responsibility lies on the person to take on the advice, I do agree with that but I still think a disclaimer would not be a bad thing. Edit 2: ouch about overlooking internalised racism, I think that is a complete dismissal of valid concerns and issues many black people describe experiencing
I have a BMI of 27. I don't "look" overweight because I have a lot of muscle, but my asthma has never been so bad now that I'm much heavier than I used to be. I have to be hospitalised because of it like twice a year. Now that I've lost 12 pounds it's noticeably better. I said something to this effect on one of abbey's videos, and she replied basically saying it was because I secretly didn't like the way I look, that I was punishing myself, and that I should "try to be kind to myself". I'm really annoyed because I like the way I look, I think I look good. I don't like being accused of hating myself now that I've learned to love myself, and part of that is not wanting to die early from lung damage, and have to live in and out of the hospital.
I once commented that my many food allergies make intuitive eating the way she promotes it impossible because my body craves things that I know will make me very sick. She replied with something like "are there any yummy alternatives"? Yes there are alternatives but they´re not what my body craves, so should I keep eating myself sick until I stop craving them? Because that moment won´t come (at least it hasn´t in the past 20 years).
Wow, so interesting that even muscle weight can have an unhealthy impact on someone's health. My husband likes watching strongmen... They have health issues from their weight (usually cardio) even though they obviously exercise a ton and consult nutritionists about their diets.
@@erinaa9486 I don't know about that in general, but my asthma is very much triggered by cold and exercise, so carrying any extra weight is like carrying a 20lb backpack all the time; it's a lot more intense exercise.
@@miekekuppen9275 I'm really sorry you have to go through that, that sounds really difficult. :( I'm glad that you clearly have enough sense to not listen to bad online advice and know how to actually take care of yourself :)
@@thatgirlreacts5465 The way she talks down to people about race by claiming internalized racism "doesn't exist" and tells people to "just stop thinking those things" comes off as incredibly ignorant and misinformed. She also made a video a while back about BLM and her takes about race/racism in that video weren't great either which created a fallout with some of her audience, if I remember correctly. In addition, her stubbornness to even consider the possibility that she could be uneducated about race is also hurtful and frustrating. I would recommend at the very least she listen to the people trying to educate her in the comment section. Even better, seek out authors and educators to help her realize her biases and to find ways to actively work against them. Obviously she doesn't HAVE to do anything anyone is recommending to her in the comments, but the fact that she continues to talk about race/racism without ever taking the time or doing the work to properly educate herself is insensitive.
@@tayter_chip I find the idea that someone has to educate themselves because they have a different opinion than the mainstream about racism in America absolutely ridiculous! Have you listened to Sam Harris, Coleman Hughes and John McWhorter on that matter? Have you looked into Rowan Frier’s research on the police of 10 major American cities? Have you looked into the statistics of how many blacks vs whites are killed at the hands of the police and compared that to the percentage of blacks vs whites who actually commit crimes, especially violent crimes, as opposed to looking at the percentage of said races who are killed by the police in contrast to the percentage of said races amongst the whole population? Because if your answer is no to even one of those then I could very well say you’re not educated enough yourself. The problem is that people who have accepted the status quo on the idea of racism in America think that there is no other way to look at it. But news flash, there actually is. Now she may be right about her views or she may be wrong, idk. What I do know is that acting like there is only one way to look at it and that if one doesn’t follow the herd in this they’re just uneducated is actually more moronic than the things said by the people you claim to be uneducated. Simply put: she’s allowed to have her views and you’re allowed to have yours. She isn’t wrong or uneducated and neither are you. You just see the same issue differently.
@@thatgirlreacts5465 you have a very good point.. I would agree with you that I am undereducated on the topic of race, as most of us are. There is always more to learn, more areas to grow and better myself, and things to work on. I guess my main issue with UV is that she states her opinion as being fact without being open to discussion on the topic she brings up. She leaves no room for discussion or debate. She very much comes across as “that’s it, I’m right, end of story” on the topic of race, but I feel she brings a much more nuanced and open opinion to things such as veganism. Idk, just my take on the whole situation.
@@tayter_chip I haven’t really heard her talk about her views on racism so for now I’ll take your word for it. Problem is, you seemed to be doing the same thing you say she’s done. You said she needed to be educated, as fact. As though whatever she thinks is factually wrong and you know for a fact she lacks education on the matter. If you disagree with her, that’s fine. What I have an issue with is when people act like there is only one way (mainstream way) to look at this topic (racism in America). I myself hold views on this that are different than the mainstream but I still try to listen to both sides whenever possible because I think there can be merit on both sides. I just wish people were more open to the idea that maybe there is another way to look at this without thinking that it’s racist or ignorant to do so. Because that couldn’t be further from the truth. Anyways, thanks for talking to me and for “listening”!
On internalized racism (and other internalized things): Racism is so much more than just "a person doing or saying a racist thing" its systemic. and since everyone internalizes certain things values and things from the society around them, without neccessarily being aware of it (like how kids copy certain behaivours or world views from their caregivers without being conciously aware of it) and racism has always been an intrisic part of the current sociatial system and the way the system is built enables and supports opressive ways of thinking/doing (like racism), its conclusive that internalized racism is a thing and not something one can fix by just "not thinking bad things about POC anymore"
@meadhbh Fitzpatrick I dont have a concrete plan on how to solve racism, I dont think thats possible. But abolishing oppressive structures, meeting peoples material needs and educating people would be a good start. I think defining if an individual is racist or not isnt of that much importance, unless they are directly hurting people. And non-racists people can still perform racist actions. But I do believe that it would be beneficial for us, the working class, to do some introspection and examine how different kinds of oppression have shaped our views.
I love your opinions on health, veganism, etc. I think you are very well educated in these areas and love listening to your very rational opinions. However, please try to further educate yourself regarding internalised racism; internalization is the process of making behaviors a part of one's nature by learning or unconsciously assimilating; Therefore, internalized racism is a direct product of the systematic racism that reinforces negativ beliefs through both conscious and unconscious acceptance of a racial hierarchy, including belief in negative racial stereotypes, adaptations to white cultural standards, etc E.G.: Prejudice, mistrust of POC / black leadership in professional settings, seeking out approval from white people more so than POC, censoring one's own opinion when faced with racist comments from white people, etc etc etc - saying it doesn't exist is discrediting so many black / POC experiences :(
@@rando6002 you'd imagine but i've gotten the idea from some of her vids that she's not super versed in systems of oppression aside from economic privilege
@@reginaregina9878 I hope she either does a deep dive or shuts up about it already. She just keeps popping in these little jabs and I'm starting to really understand the meaning of "microaggression." Choosing to leave these unsubstantiated comments in her videos when she could easily edit them out really bothers me.
@@rando6002 I‘m not sure if that’s the case but it would certainly be very neoliberal of her to recognize misogyny but not recognize internalized racism and be against intersectionality at the same time smh
@meadhbh Fitzpatrick Are you asking how she would know about internalized misogyny? As a woman who hates other women and has met many other women who hate other women I might take it for granted as obvious. "Neoliberals" around here are all seem aware of feminism and the obstacles and challenges created by internalized misogyny.
Thank you for debunking all of this nonsense. Dieting gave me the gift of going from a size 22 to a size 12, from hiding at home to being able to wear a swimsuit. I've held that for 15 years. Diets do work and I have hypothyroidism.
The "intuitive eating" thing is dangerous for the majority of diabetics, especially type 1 diabetics and insulin treated type 2 diabetics. I cannot control my blood sugars if I eat what I crave. I have to hold it to low carb foods, like low carb vegetables (which I love, so no problem there) and low carb protein foods. And yes, "cheat meals" are perfectly legitimate here, if you can control it and hold it to a few cheat meals, and not go "crazy" for days on end. I like to eat 1 or 2 cheat meals a week, where I'm less focused on perfect blood sugars during those few hours, and just enjoy myself.
@@ameliavelasco8602 That’s true. But Abby often doesn’t put that as a disclaimer in her videos. Diabetes is the only “mainstream” illness where food has a central and extremely important role to play for good health. There are more diabetics than there are people with eating disorders (mostly type 2, I’m a type 1), and she focuses a lot on putting disclaimers about eating disorders. True that eating disorders have a more acute nature compared to diabetes and can be triggered (untreated type 1 is very acute and deadly, though), but negating the struggle that diabetics go through with regards to food is doing them/us a disservice. Diabetes is one of the main killers in the developed world. She simply dismisses the idea that talking about people having a problem with adherence as fat shaming. That’s sooo bad for people like us, especially because most type 2 diabetics are overweight. She reinforces the idea that there isn’t much people can do to lose weight or control their eating, which is why she says intuitive eating is okay, while weight loss is one of the most important things all diabetics can do. Adherence is THE main problem with most food related goals, be it weight loss, to control blood sugar, cholesterol or blood pressure - which are all extremely common illnesses where intuitive eating is detrimental in most people. It isn’t offensive to talk about and it isn’t “blaming the victim” so to speak; it’s a biological fact that is now a problem with our access to endless amounts of food. In my opinion, we should be researching on a large scale, to find a way to make adherence easier. That will be one of the most significant breakthroughs in modern healthcare.
@@Lemonz1989 there’s a fascinating documentary on TH-cam about “diabulimia” where type 1 diabetics purposefully don’t take their insulin to lose weight while eating whatever they eat. So there’s definitely overlap with diabetes and eating disorders. Yes being overweight can lead to complications such as diabetes, weight loss can reduce the chances of getting it, but there are also genetic/environmental factors that come into play. A majority of my family has diabetes (I do not, but I am overweight) and I can understand the temptation to blame them but like I said in my comment before yours (you prob missed it so that’s understandable) but there is too much emotion involved in diet culture, and a large majority of people are overweight due to disordered eating most likely due to emotional trauma, stress, depression, etc. So diet culture is inherently harmful to those of us affected by mental disorders. Anorexia/bulimia is the number 1 deadliest mental disorder. It should not be taken lightly. Overweight people can be anorexic/bulimic. You never know what someone is going through, so to tell them to just diet does their complex life injustice. Any diet someone goes on should be an informed choice and discussion with their primary doctor or nutritionist, not by people on TH-cam saying foods are “good” or “bad” and sharing fad diet myths.
Lemonz1989 I would hope that if you have diabetes you’re not dumb enough to just throw out everything your doctor had told you to do and eat whatever tf you like knowing the consequences... like please. It’s obvious. Probably why she doesn’t mention it. Diabetics are not her target audience. Her advice is not for you. You have a medical condition that needs to be managed by you and your dr. Not old mate on TH-cam.
Internalized means you don't realize you have negative thoughts about someone until you really analyze those thoughts. Most people go about there day not examining their thoughts and feelings so saying "just stop being racist" is reductive, especially when those internalized ideas are reinforced through media and social interactions.
I am a psychology major and the way you oversimplify the psychological aspect of weight loss and even maintaining your weight astounds me. A LOT of people are knowledgeable about calories and nutrition in general but remain overweight. It's a bit more complicated than calories-in, calories-out.
@@what_like_its_hard It's very common to struggle with weight management and that's normal. Nothing to feel weird about. I hope you can love yourself no matter what the scale says. :)
Thermodynamics exist. When I was at my lowest mentally... I stopped eating/barely ate at all. I lost weight. Thermodynamic diesnt care about your mental health. It will happen regardless of any medical problems a person has. Your body will burn a certian amount of calories to maintain itself. If you don't replenish this you will lose weight. Think of it as a bank. If you spend more money than you put into an account you will be in debt.
You need a serious brushing up on psychology if you dont think internalized racism is a thing and you can just "not believe it" . You really need to stop talking about race issues, its pathetic.
Oh wow, she isn't racist and just because you tell her she is racist she won't buy your bullshit. You need to stop telling people when they can speak, you are disgusting and displaying worrying fascist behaviour.
Maybe, but noom was actually really helpful for me and was the first/only program like that which helped me rethink my relationship with food in a really great way
Same, but for me it was since he did a processed meat commercial video, sponsored by the National Pork Board. As a doctor, he should know better than shill for carcinogenic animal flesh. In it for the monnies this guy is.
@@pupax2000 I know his videos are a good starting point but people should always conduct further research. Doctors should remain unbiased and his adverts are too biased and "health" related.
With regards to the comments about internalised racism and fatphobia. I strongly recommend you look into research around Unconscious Bias. We can have these biases about tons of things (race, age, social class, gender, weight etc.) without actively realising it. For example if I'm biased against men I might judge failures more harshly than a similar action from a woman. At my work (a large university) we all do "unconscious bias training" to help identify where we might have biases and look at how you can avoid these having impacts on workplace decision like promotions, hiring and disciplinaries.
I agree with everything but that last part. I think to some people it's really hard to let go of beliefs they held their whole lives, and it is work. Just because you had that moment where it "clicks" that you're wrong, doesn't mean you then automatically hit a reset button and all feelings and behaviours you previously had towards that thing disappears. It makes us uncomfortable and sometimes even angry and we must fight against our own feelings because rationally we know they are unjustified. I think it's unrealistic to say "it's easy not believing in X or not being Y". It's really not, specially if your whole life you were taught otherwise, and your whole view of the world is being forced to shift as an affort of you trying to be a better person. It is not easy, it's uncomfortable and it sucks ass, and it is work.
Disordered eating AND eating disorders are much more common than we think and I find some parts and comments that were made in this video highly offensive to people who struggle with these problems. Especially coming from someone who had bulimia (as you are stating in the beginning of your video) 🤔.
I think the problem with this video is that it suggest that people fall into the categories of healthy, overweight or eating disorder sufferer, which ignores that eating disorders impact overweight and obese people too. Anorexia and bulimia are not the only eating disorders and being thin is not the only indicator of an eating disorder - its about the behaviors. So if a doctor is automatically focusing on weight loss as the goal when speaking with someone who is overweight, they aren’t even considering that the person may have an eating disorder and they are potentially doing them harm. There are countless stories of doctors encouraging eating disorder behaviors in overweight eating disorder sufferers.
I stopped watching her as well, she has no firm stance on anything. Also, to add on to what she said about adherence, if there was some sort of underlying medical issue, etc. if your diet plan has been prescribed by a doctor, as Dr. Mike says in his video, chances are you've already been screened to make sure there's not a medical reason you're overweight. And obviously the onus should be on the patient, like any other diagnosis, a doctor can diagnose you and prescribe a medical plan...the patient still has to adhere to it. Not adhering to a prescribed diet plan, is no different than not taking prescribed medication.
I disagree. A lot of doctors don't properly screen fat patients for medical issues pertaining to their weight, and a lot of them promote really wrong stuff about nutrition and dieting because they make assumptions that are honestly based on institutionalized fatphobia. I can't even count the amount of stories I've heard of patients not being screened properly and having to learn much later after trying dieting they were told to do that actually there's stuff going on that would have allowed them to lose weight more easily if it had been addressed sooner.
@@hh-kf8br we will have to agree to disagree. That has not been my experience here in Canada, in regards to what you're saying about medical screenings, ex. blood tests, etc. I do agree that your average family or general practice doctor isn't well educated when it comes to nutrition...a friend in the medical field told me the education they receive is literally a week, unless they've specialized in nutrition, which does happen, though not common. I guess perhaps I have been lucky with the family doctors I have had.
@@hh-kf8br It's because they haven't accepted that MDs shouldn't be giving out nutritional advice and they're supposed to refer immediately. .They are not trained to assess someone's nutritional status if they have concerns they should refer as they do with other fields without giving advice randomly. Fatphobia in health fields comes from society and standards in beauty and many in the field enter it with bad habits and borderline eating disorders so many end up extrapolating their issues on patients without realizing it but because they look a certain way people actually think they are doing things right. I think medical schools need to start bringing down their egos and accepting that there's a reason there are different fields and different specialists for everything.
Great video! I actually disagree with you on the last point about internalised phobias (which is refreshing as I usually agree with everything you say). Taking racism as an example, its not as easy as "just stop". Looking at two CVs, plenty of white people who have no conscious racist thoughts might lean towards other "white-sounding" names without even realising they're doing it. It's a real problem, which is why anonymised CVs are a good thing. I imagine Abbey is referring to the same sort of thing - maybe an instinctive negative feeling towards overweight people that isn't rational. Its still a problem, still something to work on of course, but I think its not necessarily as easy as you make out to change these feelings.
I think that something that is often ignored is that overeating can be an eating disorder. Abby likes to ignore things like binge eating disorder, saying it’s because of restriction. So insulting to people suffering with it.
Hey! Binge eating is actually caused by restriction in most cases! I had a binge eating disorder for 5 years (and I know many people who have had one as well) and intuitive eating was the only way we were able to recover. Restriction leads to binges, so once you allow yourself to eat whatever you want (I know, it sounds terrifying), you won't want to binge anymore! I eat totally normally now and totally normal quantities of a variety of foods. It won't happen overnight, and you will definitely overeat at first, but it is literally the best thing I have ever done for myself. I only wish i had stopped restricting sooner! Of course it won't work for 100% of people, but it will work for most if you just give it a try!
@@sydneyheath9609 I’ve actually never had binge eating disorder but I’ve known many people who’ve had it. And yes I 100% agree the only way to recover is to stop restricting. My only point was is she often acts like binge eating disorder is just being hungry. And eating more after being on a diet and binge eating disorder are worlds different. I’m just saying it’s insulting to act like they’re the same thing. Btw really happy you’ve recovered 😊
@@sydneyheath9609 Binging has many reasons and for many, it’s not based on restricting. I binge whenever I am sad or feel like I need to celebrate with food.
i feel like you never try to understand what abbey says, you just like to say she’s wrong. i don’t think she’s right all the time but you seem to talk about a lot of things you don’t know anything about, like internalized racism.
he talks about weight and calories constantly it's probably not the healthiest thing for someone who's recovering from an eating disorder to be watching. I think that is what she means.
Because anyone who has an Ed probably only watch health related content as a trigger. That's what I used to do, watch millions of videos on the risks of being overweight to justify my anorexic behavior lol, I'm glad that I'm better but it was a long journey
Right?? If life is as simple as that, maybe those with eating disorders should just ... not have eating disorders? OH! Thanks UV, I never thought of that...
Great video!! Thank you for taking the time to break this down :) just wanted to point out one thing about internalized racism...it’s not actually about being racist towards others but holding racist ideologies about your own race if you’re a POC. In many ways it can be a form of self-hate. And it’s actually not very obvious...usually subconscious and learnt through the manner in which your socialized.
Hey Swayze, I never commented before but I've been watching your videos for years and I respect you and your opinions very much. However, or maybe because of that, it makes me sad to see you not only make an insensitive statement about racism, but also not responding to any comments trying to educate you about this. Id really appreciate it if you opened yourself for this discussion
I do respectfully disagree with you for the eating disorder point, I think it's important to put disclaimers on videos about eating because some individuals that don't know they have disordered eating could start developing unhealthy patterns after watching a video. Maybe including a disclaimer could help people (especially teens) realize that if it becomes obsessive to maybe seek help.
No its not. I have food allergies so does every food/nutrition chanel have to plaster disclosures EVERY time they talk about that food? No. That's nonsense.
Hey UV! First of all, dope vid. Second, I'm a bit interested in ur views about the whole 'internalized fatphobia/internalized racism' thing. My understanding of it is that we often have unconscious biases against certain groups due to our surroundings, and although we may logically understand that the group (eg. obese folks) aren't any worse than others, we still may have negative 'gut-reactions' to them (eg. looking at an overweight person eating ice-cream and judging them). So, I think that abby was sort of referring to stuff like that (perhaps as a dietitian that means examining their own terminology/ways in which they interact with their clients to ensure that the client isn't feeling judged or that their unique challenges as an obese person aren't brushed off. Ik that a lot of obese ppl feel that they are not heard by doctors in that way). Maybe this point isn't super relevant tho!
I don’t always love or agree with Abbey, but I’m kind of getting frustrated with you because you want to assert yourself with authority you simply do not have. If you want to be an authority on nutrition, go back to school and become an RD.
The thing is though, Swayze is only pointing out scientifically wrong arguments (e.g. that obesity is unhealthy in all cases) or ones that aren’t logical (e.g.that Dr. Mike is fat-phobic, even though/because he is just presenting evidence based facts). She is not claiming that she has any sort of authority herself, she is just (rightfully so, in my opinion) arguing that the scientific research and consensus should be the base of any decision making when it comes to loosing weight. Swayze has said multiple times, that because she doesn’t have a degree in nutrition she is referring back to people who do (studies, Dietitians, Psychologists...).
On your point about medication, I messaged abby on instagram recently asking if intuitive eating is possible if you're on medication which alters your hunger signals or have a health condition which does. She said that yes but it would require planning. scheduling meals to ensure I'm getting the nutrition I need so I'm not sure what that means because if I'm planning it's not really intuitive ? I don't know man.
I know I'm late but as someone who is on medicine similar to this. If it is concerning you. Please talk to the doctor who prescribed it or the pharmacist. They may be able to help if you are having trouble with eating after starting a medication.
Ugh I am going to just assume that you just don’t understand internalized racism. Because if you did, what you said was really insensitive, but also just didnt make sense. Otherwise great video!
So is her understanding that she's not a nutrition expert when she has no qualifications. Being able to read a paper you found online isn't the same as extensive studies for years to earn an advanced degree in the field
@@xosecox12 right, abby went to college to become a dietician and she makes logical sense from a psychological and evidence based perspective. Swazy is just reading a research paper and thinks she understands all the nuance.
I agree about her understanding about racism being flawed but I also think she’s being wayyy too judgmental towards abbey. Acting like eating disorders don’t hardly exist is insane. Because of the media acting like the goal should be being skinny, a lot of people have issues with eating disorders and struggle with disordered thinking towards food. My mindset towards food has gotten better because of abbey to be honest. I struggle with being frustrated because of seeing so many size zero people in the media but I’ve come to realize that I’ll never be a size zero and that’s ok.
One thing I hate about what Abby says is stuff interfering with enjoyment of food. My bariatric surgeon always had the goal of making food fuel for your body. Can you enjoy the food you are eating? Absolutely. Should you hate the food you are eating? No. But people will take that and say "Not eating a whole thing of oreos is interfering with my enjoyment of food." Nor should that be the ENTIRE reason you are eating.
I like Abbey a lot, but I get frustrated at her inability to take a hard stand on some things. She is always riding the line and trying to please everyone, and it makes some of the information really blurry.
I use to watch Abbey on a regular basis, but I got burnt out on the intuitive eating & health at every size stuff. She seems to want to put the “blame” on everything & everyone else, but the person putting the food in their mouth 🤷🏻♀️ That’s just my opinion though.
I don't think blame is necessary when trying to help someone with their weight. Not everyone really understands how dieting works and aren't effective as a result.
For me it does; I get extremely, uncontrollably hungry if I restrict by more than 400 or so calories a day. That doesn´t mean I can´t have healthier options or lose weight slowly though. It´s simply not a black and white issue and people aren´t all the same.
Most of the research shows that it’s both- only thing that cured my bulimia was eating enough calories. Not saying that psychological issues don’t add to it, but I didn’t have an “emotional reliance on foods” - I didn’t eat enough, leading to binging, leading to purging
25:19 I do think the topic of internalized biases is more complicated than “just stop”. Someone may commit to stopping these beliefs in themselves, but take time to undo some of the conditioning done by their parents, teachers, etc. who instilled these beliefs in the first place. I’ll use an example I have personal experience with; internalized homophobia and heteronormativity (I’m asexual, so I have more experience with the latter). It’s all well and good for me to realize I’m not straight and decide that being something else is ok. It’s an entirely different thing to pick apart heteronormative assumptions that I have that shape my worldview. Things like “you need love to be happy”, “you need to be married by X age, or it’s creepy”, “having kids is the only real purpose humans have.” Even something as basic and obviously homophobic as “hate the sin, not the sinner” may take some people some time and reflection (or a friend’s criticism) to realize. This doesn’t make these views ok, it just makes ongoing self-reflection all the more important.
This is super interesting. All this talk about eating disorders and associating any healthy or conscious eating with eating disorders I believe has caused many people to think they have a mental health problem. I’ve thought about whether there’s something wrong with me because I try to avoid refined sugar most days and don’t give in to just “eating what I want.” Because I would literally eat ice cream, bread and cheese for every meal. This constant dialogue of eating disorders im certain has caused people harm
I used to really like Abbey Sharp, but watching her slowly became a chore as she kept pushing her version of HAES and intuitive eating. I find her insufferable at this point. Her anti-bariatric surgery video tipped me over the edge to completely unsubbing from her. She showed her whole ass in that video by refusing to address and acknowledge the good of bariatric surgery or any of the science behind it (like, say, the fact that bariatric surgery is one of the only ways to actually physically change your "set point"; yanno one of her favorite points to parrot as to why keeping weight off is just impossible). Instead she chose to focus on the potential negatives and presented them as inevitable. I find her disingenuous and vague where it suits her view. I'm glad to see people calling her out over it.
agreed, its esp sinister to me bc she gets to stay thin and healthy while actively discouraging others from doing the same for themselves. and if you see her what i eat in a days, i was so surprised to see its all very healthy stuff, no candy or chocolate as she often praises others for eating in their "what i eat in a day"s. i dont think shes doing this gatekeeping on purpose but its fucked
17:20 I mostly agree with UV but I think abby's point is that you should focus on the things you can change directly, aka behaviors, and not weight loss, which you can only control indirectly by certain behaviors. Abby's point is focus on the behavior, rather than the goal.
Yes! That is what Health at Every Size (HAES) is actually about. It's about the fact that everyone, at every size, can choose health-enhancing behaviors. That we should focus on healthy behaviors, not directly on weight loss.
@@abigailchappell5754 I think the problem with HAES is everyone interprets it differently. There's nothing wrong with saying being overweight is unhealthy. I also don't think it's necessarily harmful to focus on the goal of losing weight, depending on the person. That being said I can see see Abby Sharp's point, which UV obviously missed. Everyone is different and needs to figure out what works for them.
But she speaks like her guidelines are appropriate for the general population... And they are not. if abby wabts to ONLY focus of the rare 9% of the world with an ED. She needs to make that EXTREMELY clear in the first seconds of her video.
I feel like you what you aren't getting is internalized racism or fat phobia or misogyny isn't necessarily a "belief" you hold. Like you can respect people of color or women or fat people and still not realize how society shapes your opinion on things. It's usually not affecting the stuff you openly promote or speak it's a gut reaction or an absent thought that unless you stop and think about it you don't realize what's bad about it or how it is promoting harm. I really believe that you are well intentioned, but you should read more about how pervasive internalized biases can be.
@meadhbh Fitzpatrick that's not what I was talking about, internal racism is not the same inherent.. but no, I think people inherently create in-groups. Western societies have "other-ed" alot of people for their inherent qualities. And we all hold biases that can be challenged so that we can grow as people.
I feel like Abbey tries to make everyone happy to the point where she ends up being an hypocrite and contradicting herself. Not because she is a bad person, I think she doesn't even realize when she does those kind of things.
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Disordered eating is more common than we think. Not necessarily eating disorders.
I can attest to this
Exactly! I'm sure most if not all obese people have some tipe or disordered esting/bad relationship with food they need to heal.
@@LuFirefly1 it’s not just heavy people, it’s skinny people too. I’m really skinny but I definitely have a disordered way of eating
@@brendanmorin9935 you're so valid! I think what they meant was that most people don't realize that disordered eating exists among all body types, and especially heavier bodies are often overlooked.
@@brendanmorin9935 definently! I just pointed that out because in most cases people think only skinny people could have an ed (they mostly thing about anorexia) and obese people just eat too much and are lazy. Thats why UV says not that many people have ed's and a lot of people are obese so we should focus more on that (not realizing that most obese people actually have an ed or disorder eating) I myself am still struggling with disored eting and Im not obese, just slightly overweight.
Also, Dr. Mike always says “healthy weight” - he never says “thin” or even “fit.” He is saying being at a weight that is healthy for you is....healthy
However, dr. Mike is just as bad as Abbey on promoting questionable things like processed meat, which as a doctor, he should know better. He once did a video sponsored by the National Pork Board (no joke), about how great and nutritious processed red meat is. He was forced to take it down cause people got real mad.
@@pupax2000 Don't you think the vast majority of the things he does and promotes are actually really good though? I agree with you that he really didn't think that one through lol, but if we're going to judge people by single mistakes rather than the big picture we'll be left with 7.8 billion absolutely dogshit terrible people, and I for one think that it's kind of twisted to be that black and white when it comes to the world and people. It's fine if you just can't stand Mike, for any reason, but this particular justification you've got for why he's supposedly terrible just comes off as you know... I little bit crazy. It's almost funny that he's so fucking bland mayonnaise that people need to reach with things like this lol. You really couldn't find anything else on him, huh?
@@KattReen To be honest, I wasn't looking, I was just reminded when I saw his name. I un-subbed and blocked his channel after that video, and haven't given him a thought since. But in my opinion, as a doctor, yes it is a big deal to shill carcinogenic meat for money. I never said he was terrible, just that he was just as bad as Abbey, and that he should know better. Which he definitely should.
He is so cute that he has people making excuses for him though, good for him. No need to go to personal attacks on me, like calling me crazy and bland, I would have respected your opinion without.
Yes! There is a spectrum of healthy weights depending on a person’s sex/bone structure/muscle mass/height. There isn’t a one-size-fits all healthy weight. There are, however, upper limits on the weight that an average human skeleton and cardiovascular system can safely support.
she tries very hard to be politically correct so she probably thinks "healthy weight" is fat phobic and divisive.
I'm Native and I promise internalized racism is more complex than that. I get that it should be that simple. I wish it was that simple, but it is a lot more insidious unfortunately.
Yes, it seems that she is basing her opinion off of an incorrect assumption of what internalized racism is, as though it is the explicit thought that one race is superior to another and that the solution is to realize that that is not true.
She’s missing that internalized racism depends largely on deeply ingrained negative feelings about a given group, and these feelings are often outside of one’s conscious awareness. (which is where the phrase check your biases comes from-even though I dislike that verbiage).
For instance consider a white woman who crosses the street when she sees a black man walking toward her on the sidewalk. It is going to take her some time to overcome the racist feelings that she has internalized from whichever source, even though she may be able to immediately recognize and change her mind about the validity of crossing the street in that situation.
Following Swayze’s the logic on this topic, people with a pickle phobia should just realize that they are wrong to be afraid of pickles and stop being afraid of them. I don’t think this is her actual logic-again, I think she is basing her logic on a misconception, but this illustrates why her current concept of internalized *fill in the blank* is not yet correct. If this really is her logic, she should be made aware that people cannot force themselves to change how certain stimuli make them feel. Changing that is a process with effort directly proportional to the degree to which the belief is ingrained.
@@gazneregina5373 Totally agree, I think she understands this and either has not given this subject enough thought or she did a poor job expresing her views here.
replying to boost this up. yall right racism is not that simple and her comment made me feel weird.
@@gazneregina5373 yess and our shit brains hate being wrong and stubbornly look to justify our beliefs and keep us in denial. its hard even realising you're biased, then admitting it, then realising just how many areas of your life it affects, and then hopefully challenging and changing it. especially if it's a group you belong to.
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I think the disconnect comes because Dr. Mike and Abbey have very different audiences. Dr. Mike is speaking out to the general TH-cam public, where obesity is very common and eating disorders are pretty rare.
On the other hand, I would bet Abbey's audience is mainly female, under 35, and interested in health, veganism, intuitive eating, and eating disorder recovery. People with those demographics and interests are a lot more likely to have had an eating disorder or to have done extreme/unhealthy diets. So maybe Abbey's comments apply to 1/3 (as a guess) of her audience, but she isn't recognizing that these problems are not as common on the wider population and likely only apply to 1/20 of Dr. Mike's audience.
I agree with this. I would also argue that in the “young female” demographic, a majority of them do have some disordered eating habits?? I’m in college right now, and habits like under-eating, skipping meals, binging, and vomiting alcohol to get rid of the calories are all completely normalized. It’s actually really scary. I think Abbey has her heart in the right place and just doesn’t want to trigger her audience (though I don’t necessarily think she’s always right).
Good take
Good point!
Yeah I totally agree! Because I do think that what Abby says makes a lot of sense if you have / had an eating disorder. And I kinda get what she's trying to say and so on, but I think, like you said, she doesn't realize it's so different for most other people that are totally different from her.
Then she needs to provide disclAimers that her weight loss advise isn’t irrelevant to most people.
When Abbey talks about internalized fatphobia, it's not "beliefs" that we can easily change but feelings and biases that take a long time to unlearn. Like, yeah, I can BELIEVE that weight has no bearing on someone's worth as a person but that doesn't stop me from feeling ashamed and/or despaired when I notice I've gained weight. If I could simply turn those feelings off then I would, but it's more complicated than that. I have to consciously change my self-talk and remind myself that my body (and my whole person) is worthy of love and respect no matter what I look like.
Having an issuse with gaining weight CAN be treating your body with respect.
Every body is worthy of respect and dignity and fair medical treatment, regardless of size. 💕
Whatever you do, don't attempt to "turn off" your feelings. That is psychological malpractice and only compunds harm for yourself and others, since whatever you repress is going to end up being projected onto others, or come out in some other ugly way. Trust me.
That's true--if it were so simple, people like Abbey Sharp and Dr. Mike wouldn't need to talk about anything regarding weight and fatness. The destruction of fatphobia would essentially dismantle diet industries and all the weight loss businesses and culture because people wouldn't fight this hard to lose fat or to make sure they do not become fat. Not to mention, "fat" is very subjective across all spectrums. Someone who is 5'4" and weighs 130 lbs could be healthy to one person but fat to another. It really depends on the environment you live in.
@xxaleenazxx There are plenty of medical conditions or life-saving medications that cause weight gain. Fat people shouldn't be mocked and are worthy of respects, as much as thin people.
I will say that Abbey’s preaching that “there are no good or bad foods because there’s no morality inherent in food” - literally changed my life. Changing the phrasing from that to “more or less nutritious,” was the greatest change I’ve made in my life.
But I feel like a lot of people nowadays are so afraid of putting the “blame” or responsibility on others. It seems she’s trying to protect her audience from thinking they could be doing something wrong.
I had the exact same experience and ended up losing 15 pounds with this mindset. My mental health and physical health has improved drastically.
Omg yes. And her whole “maybe it isn’t necessarily healthy for your body but good for your soul. Just find the balance” helped me so much. No, the ice cream wasn’t good for my health, but my soul needed it and I won’t beat myself up tomorrow for it because I needed to look out for my holistic health.
@@ameliavelasco8602 me too! I feel like I can also have a weight loss journey without guilt!
@@haileighhouser5686 right!! There’s so much more to our body’s health than just flesh and bone ! Totally agree! We need to nourish our soul too!
Me too! I have a long history of disordered eating and Abby's approach of not demonising food has been so helpful.
I've maintained a healthy weight now for a few years - partly from Abby, but also, having a good support system who were also, open to learning about different ways to talk about food.
Swayze's videos are super informative and entertaining to watch, but she often oversimplifies the psychological aspects of weight loss and misses the effect of cultural norms. The "stop being racist" comment is proof of that.
Similarly, "just eat less" IS actually bad advice according to many dietitians, HAES or not. It doesnt mean it isn't true - it just isn't enough to change behavior. Most people know already we should eat less to lose weight. Also, focusing on healthy lifestyle changes instead of weight loss can actually motivate people more - this has been shown in several studies. This is very easy to believe as well. Who actually loves using the scale anyway? I don't mean we shouldn't use the scale, I'm just saying that sometimes shifting the focus in weight loss a little may be very effective.
I think Abbey and Greg/Dr. Mike/Swayze are often talking on different levels and thus they miss each other's points. Abbey is talking more on the psychological and behavioural level, whereas the others are focusing on data and physical health outcomes. I agree that Abbey is sometimes a bit all over the place and tries too hard not to offend anyone, but often she does have good points.
Excellent comment
This! So on point.
Yes!!! Exactly.
Yes! I love her videos as well but you're totally right. The comment on racism made me cringe real bad. Is it really so hard to believe that unconscious bias is real and it takes a conscious effort to undo?
I agree. As someone who has succeeded at losing weight after years of failure, the only reason I was able to do so is because of medication that my doctor prescribed that seriously SERIOUSLY helped reduce my cravings. It was not a simple matter of mind over matter for me. I COULD NOT stop overeating because my cravings where so over the top. While I did ultimately lose weight because I ate fewer calories than I was expending, I was only able to do that with medical intervention and hands on guidance from my doctor.
I usually agree with you, but in this case I don't completely. I noticed you've used the term 'eating disorders' when Abbey uses 'disordered eating'. Both are a problem, but only one is diagnosable. There are so many people with eating disorders/disordered eating who are never diagnosed and I think you saying it's not that common is severely incorrect. I don't know any women (or many men to be honest) who have not had experience with disordered eating. I know this is anecdotal, and it's hard to prove because as I said there is a difference between an eating disorder and disordered eating, and the latter is rarely diagnosed. I think saying it's rare is really dangerous and inacurate.
I do think Swayze is under estimating the prevalence of disordered eating
Absolutely. I have never met anyone who didn’t have weird anxiety about what they eat at least at some point in their lives, but more commonly, for their whole lives. I definitely think the average person has experienced disordered eating
Disordered eating is huge problem, but disordered eating that is correlated with over-eating, that is. Otherwise it's a small, first-world problems. Obesity, however, is a universal epidemic
@@cydo8581 sources?
I know plenty of girls and boys that haven't had any form of disordered eating (not saying I haven't met any). What I mean by this is that it wasn't a prolonged issue (it might last for a day or a week, and that's it).
"Just stop believing". It really, really doesn't work like that. Not with racism, not with any other fundamental, ingrained belief. It takes time, and work. And that's AFTER you've realized your own beliefs and pedjudices are wrong.
I was looking for a comment like this. Thank you!
I think fatphobic, racist, sexist, homophobic things all the time. I always stop myself from saying them out loud, though.
It is super super common + in many cases scientifically proven. E.g. it is proven that colorism is real.
Agree. That comment was so ignorant. It took me years to unlearn certain aspects of internalised misogyny (like viewing girly things as less cool/fun) and that's not even getting into the subconscious parts of it, like rating male applicants for a job as more competent when they have the same qualifications as a female applicant (studies have been done on that). They're called subconscious biases for a reason.
Thank you! Was looking for that comment.
Example for internalized racism: im biracial and im alway suprised when theres a poc that isnt from a poor familx even tho im from a risch family myself. its biased thinking that ive unintentionally when i was young and im now trying to unlearn it
Thank you for sharing! As a Southeast Asian woman, I was told for years that I can't pursue screenwriting or film production because Hollywood hates women like me, so I should be in STEM. Really challenging because I'm still in my science field but rekindling my love for screenwriting and being creative
Well, when you live in a society that CONSTANTLY tells you that minorities are poor, why would you think differently? I dont think its racism as much as its conditioning. But do work on that. The fact that you're "always" surprised is disturbing...
@@thatgoodpain internalized racism is conditioned racism.
- We likely do not agree on the definition of racism.
But, If internalized and conditioned racism are the same thing, wouldn't that just be the mainstream application of "racism"?
I intentionally did not add "racism" to "conditioning" because even though internalized and conditioned may have similar meanings they both have times where one is more appropriate than the other.
So understand I am asserting that the problem in OP's comment it is not racist, discriminant and ignorant but not racist.
Also why do you find it disturbing that the person is always surprised?
- I was being hyperbolic when I used "disturbing".
Because they stated that they are ALWAYS surprised, meaning that they have not learned better (even thought they later said they are trying to "unlearn" and I am sure they were being hyperbolic as well). I only find this acceptable in 3 scenarios.
1. The OP personally only knows/ meets mostly legitimately poor POC. So when they do see a well off POC it is like seeing a unicorn.
Even if that is the case I'd hardly call that racism. I'd call that "your brain collecting and analyzing data and judging accordingly".
2. The OP rarely ever meets POC at all. So it is still the unicorn idea.
3. The OPs standard of "wealth" is so exceptionally high that "POC" who are actually well off still are still considered poor.
I find the racism take, and take on working against internalized phobias in general to be surprisingly naïve and simplistic for a creator that often times has really nuanced takes.
I completely agree. I feel like racism is so nuanced and interwoven in western culture. Just because (as a white person) they don't think of black people as lesser, that doesn't mean they don't have beliefs that are still racist. I think it is extremely important to be aware of those thoughts and behaviors.
Given her response to BLM, are we really all that surprised?
@@boop3260 I'm unaware of her BLM response
Edit: A third of the way through her response video, I see what you mean. Her take (on BLM) is not surprising knowing that she also identifies as a neo-lib and has the neo-libess takes. Saying that minoritized people having a space for them to aire their grievances is racists, is not a good take.
Edit 2: I was really frustrated with how any call for platforming experts of color when BIPOC face institutional disadvantages and discrimination was descried as "racist". Acknowledging how race impacts people and working against that... is not racist.
@@arlokaczor5119 yuuuup. The cherry on top was her second response, which was just her "responding" to comments (or rather, doubling down and refusing to acknowledge experiences outside her own worldview and criticism from her Black viewers)
@@boop3260 That is such a bummer. I just found this channel and didn't know about that yet.
40% of people who struggle with eating disorders will continue to struggle even after “effective treatment” for many of us it is a life long struggle. It honestly broke my heart a little to hear you, someone who I respect a lot, say in such a casual way that “ most people who have eating disorders likely won’t forever” so casually. I am incredibly happy for you to have battled and won and that food doesn’t control you anymore! That’s great! I admire you for that. Please do not belittle the constant struggle a lot of people will continue to deal with though.
This
I think if everything was as simple as "calories in, calories out", many of us wouldn't really be struggling with ED for so long.
If 40% continue to struggle then that would mean (if the information you are referencing falls into a strict scientific method formulation of two groups) 60% don’t. That would be a majority. If it was a more strict 50/50 or 55/45 then yes, there’s a much higher chance that people will struggle with it forever. But per the information you’ve referenced in your statement it’s less likely a person will struggle forever than recover.
@@Strawbibble 40% is still a very large percentage! If 40 people out of 100 will continue to struggle how is that not valid??
@@brandygray8499 It is valid, but it means her statement isn't wrong. The other 60%, which is a majority, will not have an eating disorder forever. It is not belittling to state that a majority will recover. It doesn't mean that there should be no more work done to help the remaining people who still continue to struggle, but she didn't say or elude to that, only that a majority of people do recover, based upon the evidence we currently have.
Sometimes people do struggle with eating disorders forever :(
Yea I’m not really getting better I have done partial hospitalization program, intensive outpatient program and outpatient now and I still have that eating disorder mindset. I am still scared of calories and breaking my food rituals so I feel like shit still
Keep going please!! Recovery is worth it and so are you
True but it IS POSSIBLE to make a full recovery from an eating disorder despite what Abbey Sharp might make it seem like. That’s the thing that frustrates me about her most. Eating disorders are very real, I would know, but there comes a point when you have to let go of it and realize it’s not a personality trait. You have to let go of it if you want to live a fulfilling adult life.
@@amysteele6540 some of us have mental illnesses that do make it a lifelong battle. And Abbey has helped me keep going. Also, there is a difference between EDs and disordered eating. Abbey discusses disordered eating in a general way, not EDs. Disordered eating includes going on crash diets and being obsessed with food even when eating enough without there being a diagnosable eating disorder.
xosecox12 No doubt some let it be a lifelong battle. There is a misconception that people who hang on to their ed have a more severe case which I find to be the opposite of true. Usually those who hang on feel they have something to prove. An eating disorder doesn’t make your more interesting, it’s quite the opposite! I hope one day you can find the strength to heal and realize there’s more to you than that!
"Some foods are healthy, some foods are not" okay but it's not really that black and white? You can make a nuitritous Veggie soup and add too much salt or unhealthy fats or add refined sugar to a superfruit smoothie. We have this weird idea that nutritional benefits disappear because things are not as healthy as they could be. There are plenty of foods that have healthy and unhealthy aspects.
But if you took those foods apart you could point out which foods were healthy and which foods weren’t. Like even in your comment you specifically separated the healthy food from the unhealthy food, separating the vegetables (healthy) from too much salt and unhealthy fat (you even call some fats specifically unhealthy) and seperating whole fruits from sugar.
@@jenellebelle9828 Yes that is why I think that instead we should say unhealthy ingredients, not foods. No one is saying that nothing you put in your mouth was healthy or unhealthy. If that was your takeaway my bad. I my point is more this idea that an unhealthy ingredient is seen as... Corrupting an otherwise extremely healthy food. That nutrients cease to exist when an unhealthy ingredient is present. So I think that is a big part of the mentality that creates unhealthy relationships with food.
Wowww I love this comment! Diet cultures often perpetuates this idea of all or nothing or that things cancel each other out...nutrition is nutrition and it doesn’t matter how you season it, serve it, etc. you aren’t cancelling out those nutrients! Many foods have different aspects but rarely are they so black and white as “healthy” and “unhealthy”
"Just stop being racist" is really simplifying a systemic, generational, and sometimes unconscious set of beliefs that many people have. I find that comment really naive. If it was that easy to not be racist do y'all think we'd live in the racist world that we very much still live in?
Exactly what I came to say. There are many studies that have been conducted that show that even children have unconscious bias when it comes to race. This was a bad take altogether
Truth!
While there are lots of people who benefit by being racist because of political or economic reasons, which is more clear and "easy" to see, there is so much more to it and is a pretty complex subject to deal with, we can talk about religion and racism, social background, economic racism, morality, media and just so much more. Again...a LOT of people have benefited from the "convenience" of racism, from cheap labor to political parties, is not as simple as just "stop being a racist" so I disagree with her on this one
Yes exactly. Also came to comment the same thing. I’m surprised to hear her say that unconscious bias doesn’t exist. We all have it, and need to do the work to unlearn it. As a vegan, an intellectual, and fairly progressive, I’m surprised to hear she still denies that.
Swayze, please reconsider your position on this topic. There’s countless resources out there to help you understand why this bias exists and how to work on unlearning it.
Mic drop.
I took pause when she said that most people who have eating disorders likely won’t forever. Almost everyone I know who has had an ED hasn’t ever “gotten over it.” Even if they are now physically healthy, those disordered thoughts are most often engrained
That's your experience though. Abby is a registered dietitian who has likely worked with many folks with EDs.
@@hmacklemore2226 That’s her experience though. There are many more experts like her - as well as actual scientists researching the topic - who have worked with many more folks with EDs.
@@mysteriousastrolabe You are saying exactly what I'm saying sis.
@@hmacklemore2226 She is not the absolute authority, so your appeal to her to try and discredit that poor person was not it.
Just what I thought watching this
I agree w/everything, except on bigotry being easy to stop. A lot of bigotry stems from conditioning & insecurity. I'm not saying a bigot shouldn't work to stop, but it takes a lot of work to stop internalized belief systems that have gratified & given you a sense of safety & identity for your whole life.
I'm confused by your stance against internalized racism (as in: it doesn't exist). Do you not believe that a person's decisions can influenced by subconscious biases?
If you are aware of your racism as Abby is aware of her "fatphobia" then why would you hold onto such biases? 24:02
@@yaash4123 for example, you might know logically and factually that you're good at your job but that doesn't mean you believe it. Humans aren't robots. They can't delete code from their brains. If you grow believing in something it will take time for your brain to get rid of that way of thinking even if you know it's a problem
i think a lot of people misunderstand the concept of internalized discrimination. internalized racism, for example, is not a white person's subconscious racist bias - it's the involuntary acceptance of racist bias by the othered. it's not as easy to let go of as "don't be racist" when you have grown into a low self worth that then manifests in various ways and is often projected to others as well (whether thinking less of members of one's own race or thinking more of whites/less marginalized races). not to mention that a racially oppressed person cannot de facto be racist...
likewise internalized fatphobia would probably mean the fatshaming of oneself (and for the people who are fatshamed by society at large, both the involuntary applying of those notions to oneself and their projection to others who are alike).
@@OliverHeikkinen so true unfortunately it takes time. So much time
@@SpyderT22 that’s not true, not anyone. Race is a social construct created to create a class system. Also internalized racism is in reference to people of color internalizing negative stereotypes and it manifests in their lives. That doesn’t mean their being racist to themselves. It’s the negative effects of racism manifesting in their lives.
25:10 As a fellow atheist, I am astonished that "just stop believing wrong ideas" is a compelling argument for you. Do the religious people you know seriously question their core beliefs and faith at such a request, and change when presented with facts contradicting their worldview?
Otherwise this was a great video! I guess even the most rational skeptical individuals can still have unquestioned, subconscious beliefs. A warning to us all.
I don't really think you can cut off the part she is responding to and understand the context of her response. Abby seems to be aware of her "fatphobia" and Swazy is saying don't believe in that then. It's probably off script which is why it seems off.
24:02
Honestly one of the best examples of rational, skeptical individuals having irrational beliefs is Matt Dillahunty. Dude is a powerhouse in debates on atheism, but if you watch his veganism debate he falls flat on his face and falls into the same traps he criticizes theists for.
Completely inadequate comparison. There are no facts supporting or denying the existence of a god. You are not inherently against logic/science/facts for believing in God (some of the most intelligent people in history were devoutly religious) nor are you automatically logical and rational for not believing. Staunchly denying the existence of a God is no more based in fact than is staunch piety.
@@TheCinnamondemon ^^^ Im so tired of the stereotype that religious people are “irrational.” The most intelligent people in my life are devout Christians
@@Becky0494 agreed! the smartest person i know is a practicing catholic, and i admit i had some biases bc his religiousness surprised me. him besides, almost every religious person in my life possesses a high level of wisdom, common sense, and kindness. theres a certain maturity that you get when you have a purpose larger than yourself and youre not trying to impress anyone but god. of course this behavior is not exclusive to religious people, I just notice it esp amongst them.
I am Asian and I've had to work hard to unlearn a lot of the negative stereotypes about my community. I grew up around the narrative that we're all meek, physically incapable, unassertive, and feminine. Portrayals of Asian men on TV back then were always nerds and comic relief with zero sex appeal.
When you grow up being bombarded with these messages, you end up believing those things about yourself. For a long time I considered myself asexual because I thought no one could like Asian men. It took a lot of effort, help, self-care, to not believe in these stereotypes about myself.
Dealing with internalized racism is not easy. Just because you don't understand it does not mean it is easy or not a big deal.
Your dismissive attitude about racial issues is really hurtful and insensitive.
Yes, the dismissive way she talked about this made me think she doesn't understand exactly what it means? The "internalized" part means it's about harboring those ideas about yourself - racism towards *yourself* and others like you, misogyny towards *yourself* and other women, etc. Internalized misogyny is similar in that it's about women harboring ideas of inferiority because of growing up being taught that we are in some ways inferior, which can lead to things like not following your dreams because they're not "feminine" enough, or thinking other women can't be scientists or breadwinners or whatever because you believe the misogynistic things you've been taught by society and people around you.
Yes I wasn't a fan of this at the end, thank you for your perspective. And you're both right, there is subtle internalized misogyny and racism, something as subtle as "I'm a feminist but I don't think you should be wearing that short dress" or "She's a strong black woman therefore she can take all this extra pressure and criticism that I may not put on a white woman."
I completely agree. Dismissing internalized racism at the end actually bothered me way more than the entire fatphobia dilemma..
And I feel sorry you have had to struggle with those thoughts. Not trying to be creepy but, if it means anything, I have like a huge thing for asian men lol and cannot understand why they were always portrayed so poorly by the media. :( you guys are hot af 🔥
YOU ended up believing these things about yourself. Not everyone reacts that way :)
I'm so sorry to hear about your past experiences and very glad your thoughts have changed! Internalized racism is so hurtful and such a sad thing... Wish you the best for the future! And high five from a fellow Asian :D (although I'm a girl and of course not dealing with the lack of portrayal of attractive Asian men in mainstream media and so on, didn't wanna seem dismissive about that)
I really feel like this one missed the mark. There’s a major difference between disordered habits and disorders.
I ate a whole pint of Ben and Jerry’s ice cream yesterday for breakfast. Did my body really *need* that? No... Do I have any regrets? Also no.
You do you boo. I support it. I had peach cobbler for breakfast and then I fell asleep.
I ate a tiny jar of Nutella in 20 hours. I’ve been working hard so I deserve it🤷♀️ I do feel bad though and I’ve been chugging water lol but yes!!! Do what you want as long as you’re healthy
*heavy breathing*
Doing it once in a blue moon is fine, absolutely nothing to feel bad about :D
Neither did I when I was young in my twenties. There’s not a lot I could do that I felt immediate impact and I honestly didn’t appreciate what those bad choices would mean for middle age later. I’m 42 now. I would never do that. Unless I just stopped caring about my self, health and future.
Abbey didn't really listen to what Dr. Mike was saying and you didn't really listen to what Abbey said either? this whole thing was really frustrating to watch. and the racism comment was a miss
Watching any Swayze critique on Abbey won't be unbiased or involve really listening because of Swayze oversimplifying weight loss/disordered eating and acting like a nutritionist when she's actually a philosophy major. Idk why she thinks she's an expert on health and nutrition when she has no authority in the area. Its condescending and disrespectful. What's also funny is that Abbey reacted to Swayze’s meals and liked them and was nice to her. But she still comes at her in such a condescending way as if she's been attacked
@@xosecox12 You don't need to be an expert to read and understand what other researchers have studied.
@@DANGJOS but that is still assuming that she knows more and has read more than a registered dietitian who went to school and is than likely is more well/read on nutrition literature and studies.
@@Meliaison She doesn't need to know more. She just needs to be able to read the relevant literature, interpret it correctly/rationally, and fact check what Abbey says in the video, as she did at one point in the video. Health science isn't like other sciences. It's complicated. I would bet that many different, well read, dieticians have vastly different opinions on what is the best diet for health. I'm not going to agree with whatever Abbey Sharp says just because she has a degree in nutrition.
I simply see it as a discussion where you look at something from different angles.
Some points I want to make, because I feel this video was made more rooted in anti-intuitive eating and with some personal baggage behind it rather than considering the purpose behind it.
1. Isn’t anorexia and/or bulimia the deadliest mental illness?
2. Don’t forget also that over eating/ binge eating is also an eating disorder.
3. We SHOULD be careful about the diet culture terms that are out there.
A lot of times (not all) binge eating disorders or disordered eating in general are a result of mental illness, trauma, etc. Attaching words like “bad” or “good” foods increases the emotions around food, which is where the problem is in the first place. People who are in a dark place and feel bad can often self sabotage with “bad” food because they feel they are also “bad” and deserve to suffer. We have to take the emotions out of it. Food is what we need to survive and we should be allowed to enjoy it without emotional baggage.
I’ve worked with my nutritionist on this about losing weight and she said the exact same thing (without attributing anything to any sort of philosophy like intuitive eating).
I’ve also worked with therapists about self-image and how to remove negative self talk, including with food. You’re not a bad person for making a mistake; you’re not a bad person for having cravings, etc.
One thing I like about intuitive eating (even if it’s not exactly the message) is it gets me thinking about what my BODY needs and not what I want.
I don’t particularly like everything about the “intuitive eating” mantra either, but I feel this video hit a nerve with you and you got on the defensive rather than considering everyone’s different situations. You’ve been on the eating disorder spectrum, you’ve worked hard to get out of it, but remember, there are millions of people with eating disorders or struggling with disordered thinking. We have to be careful about what we say and what we portray.
Any diet should be a personal discussion between a person and their doctor. Not something that people (even doctors) can prescribe on TH-cam.
You’re right. And I also don’t appreciate this condescending style of response videos, whereas ironically Abbey Sharp is very respectful with her responses. There are so many fallacies in unnatural vegan’s arguments.
on the racism point - I tbink maybe you should read more about internalised racism and subconscious bias. it’s not something you can just magically get rid of overnight, and it’s why representation is so important. You probably already know of the John/Jennifer and John/Juan studies. I don’t think anyone involved would identify as racist or sexist. but in experimental settings, the subtle biases that have massive effects on the aggregate of society become clear
edit: correcting the name of Jennifer and added a couple links in the description.
yeah, representation still isnt as important as changing the actual opressive structures of the system tho.
Maybe you should see her response in context to Abby being aware of her "fatphobia" and maintaining "fatphobia". 24:02
@@4rachel5 Yeah but these kinds of things work together. You can fight on multiple levels, and it's what can actually work in the end (at least it's how I view it)
@@4rachel5 of course, I was just pointing out that subconscious bias is why representation is important (as well as the benefits that come from seeing yourself represented). Changing oppressive structures isn't important because removing them will remove unconscious bias, it's important bc they're oppressive.
@@yaash4123 Yeah I'm saying the analogy doesn't work because racism doesn't work like she described.. you can't just think "I'm not racist" and be done with it.
I was planning on writing a long comment pointing out that Abbey's idea of overall health includes mental health, which she should really be more clear on, but WOW that racism comment at the end floored me so much I've forgotten what I wanted to say. Your attitude is simplistic, holier-than-thou, and frankly does more harm than good when trying to help someone unlearn their internalized biases. Yikes.
holier than thou? nah. maybe too simplistic and wishful thinking but i kinda get what she's saying. being a decent person and just not hating people just should come naturally. of course our environment can give us the wrong influences but even people brought up by racists can not be racist because they understand that it's wrong. being a decent person and respecting others shouldn't be so hard
Omg I just commented saying she was like acting like a " im not like other girls" girl I absolutely agree with you.
thank you SO MUCH. I was hoping it wasn't just me. This video is really hard to get through, even tho I wanted to see her points I kept getting more disgusted....
I really like your videos and as a vegan you are a big inspiration for me. Everything else in the video was great, except the comment on internalised racism and homophobia. Internalised bias is very very real and telling someone who is openly admitting they struggle with it is just awful. Someone can have internalised homophobia, while still knowing full well that everyone deserves to love who they want regardless of gender. I know the feeling of having intrusive biased thoughts while on an intellectual level being of the complete opposite opinion, and feeling very ashamed. Internalised bias should be talked about more and not swept under the rug, because of people like you, just straight up calling them racist or homophobic, because it just isn't the same thing.
Yeah, I just rewatched this and forgot this was the video where she said that, and I completely disagree with her. I wish she'd apply her love of science to this issue someday. There's so much research proving this is the case.
I'm very overweight. When I was calorie counting, I measured everything & I got obsessed to the point of panic attacks over unmeasured food. I would restrict & it would lead to a big binge. Intuitive Eating definitely works for me. I don't think it works for everybody. You really need to be in tune with your body & know nutrition. Some people's binge eating disorder might be too strong & they can't stick to IE long enough for it to work. I have lost weight with Intuitive Eating so far & have learned how to not binge on my favorite go-to unhealthy foods. It's very freeing.
Same here. I intuitively eat and it’s making me eat healthier. I’ve also realized my problem isn’t food, it’s lack of movement. I have fibromyalgia and don’t always exercise because I’m in pain, but I need to push myself to at least go for a walk. I really think people need to leave Abbey Sharp alone. She promotes healthy eating and exercise, but in a mentally healthy way. She’s helped me so much. And you know what? If my body is craving an extra spoonful of peanut butter, I eat it! Then I have no craving for sweets.
@@latrishahope Exercise can actually help with your pain in the long run. Besides walking, swimming & yoga are great exercises to help relieve fibromyalgia pain. I hope you feel better.
@@fanny7817 thank you! Yes I try to do what I can. I used to be obsessed with hot yoga then the pandemic 😭 I like to walk and do light weights. Believe it or not regular yoga causes flare up because certain positions like the downward dog pose aggravates my trigger points
Hello there everyone, just my two cents:
Cent 1:
Though I agree with most things you said in this video and I really thing Abbey Sharp just tries to please everyone and to get views I do want to touch on one topic.
I feel like you make it seem like everybody who does not have an eating disorder has a healthy relationship with food, but a lot of people suffer from disordered eating habits without having a full on ed. You say most people don't have an eating disorder, most people are obese. But isn't obesity closely linked to disordered eating? Things like calorie counting or portion restriction or fasting can very well negatively impact someones relationship with food without giving them already having an eating disorder or giving them an eating disorder. All in all I think you missed a big grey area of people that might have a "healthy weight" but find food hard to eat or not to eat sometimes that can also really benefit from Abbeys message about diet culture and intuitive eating.
Cent 2:
Saying you "don't understand" internalized fat phobia and that it is stupid to try and unlearn these behaviors because you can just "stop being fat phobic" comes across as very naive to say the least. Even when you are actively and wholeheartedly against the discrimination against fat people you still have to unlearn thought patterns and behaviors that have been ingrained into you by society. You have to actively learn to even recognize fat phobia and keep confronting yourself with your own thoughts if you ever want to change anything about your viewpoints.
I agree a lot with your Cent 2- I literally said "what!" when she said (abouts), "If you can't just stop being fatphobic/racist/etc., that's weird, that's a problem." Like, these patterns of thinking are societally ingrained and it's hard enough just to learn to recognize them on sight. It's SO ignorant to say, "Lol, just stop thinking x." Her train of thinking about internal biases is just unscientific. I agreed with pretty much everything she said in the video up until that point.
@@Adrian-do6rj exactly! White people (like myself) are so defensive on racism that they are too scared to challenge themselves and their beliefs. Hiding behind "but I'm not racist" is not helpful at all if we want to end systemic racism. Im not saying UV is saying all that ofcourse, but I feel like the mindset of "just dont be racist" is similar.
@@madeleinnielen8507 totally agree. The whole “internalized racism as a concept is hurtful” just comes across as a strong case for white fragility. It has nothing to do with a person’s character that they may have internal biases against certain minorities. I’m a bisexual woman and I’ve dealt with internalized homophobia a lot, and it’s not because I was even raised to be homophobic- it’s because gay and lesbian relationships especially have been showcased as less “legitimate” than hetero relationships in media. I think UV takes these concepts too personally when it has little to do with her as a person
As many people pointed out, internalized phobias and -isms are a subconscious thing and they don't change through logic. I catch my thoughts and even actions contradicting my conscious behavior all the time. Also, it's not just calories in/out and genetics/disease/medication. The type of foods/nutrients you consume increase or decrease the probability of gaining/losing fat.
I personally do intuitive eating and it works well for me BUT it took time to get there. Most adults aren't naturally able to interpret hunger cues accurately, especially when we're constantly surrounded by cheap, hyperpalatable foods. It's a skill that has to be learned. I like Abbey and enjoy her videos but always appreciate your takes (:
YES!! I think you have to also teach yourself some basics on nutrition before you can use it to.
You bring up a very valid point. I see a lot of people defending intuitive eating which may work for some people, but the problem is that intuitive eating does have to be learned and so many people like Abbey just kind of promote it haphazardly and will randomly throw in about how it needs to be learned, without ever actually teaching it. Like a lot of people have said the issue is that Abbey views everything through the lens of having an eating disorder.
I do think Abbey is trying so hard to "not offend" anyone and a lot of times she contradicts herself, I'm fully aware that obesity is a pandemic and is detrimental for your health, and I do think that a lot of these fat phobia claims are pretty absurd honestly. But with that said, I've been anorexic, bulimic, and a binge eater, I punished myself so hard for eating stuff categorized "unhealthy" and I become this obsessive monster towards food, I canceled events with friends or family constantly because it wasn't "my cheat day". I'm an engineer student so believe me, I know about how thermodynamics work and yes, is calories in vs calories out, but the complexity of the psychology behind it is so underestimated by so many "fitness gurus" or health coaches and even doctors, is very unfortunate. I do agree with Dr Mike on pretty much everything, but I must admit that some cores of intuitive eating helped me stop feeling this constant guilt towards food and it has allowed me to lose weight and be more healthy overall.
This!
She tries so hard not to offend anyone that she offends me with how stupid some of what she says sounds.
@@hayleym1483 I find it hard to believe the words of someone who stance changes so he/she can please everyone. You should never try to please everyone, is absurd and impossible. Someone always is going to find a problem with what you say or think. It makes me think that the person is willing to twist their own values and believes according to the person they are talking to. And I really don't like that , I do think that people learn and their's stance on things changes accordingly, but this is not the case I believe
tysm for this!! i think people really overlook the psychological reasons behind intuitive eating and make it out to just be eating whatever you want until you end up on My 600 lb life
@@hayleyhihello Absolutely, I think the message has been completely distorted to fit some people's narratives unfortunately
I appreciate the Abbey Sharp commentary but the internalized racism comment was pretty ignorant and completely unnecessary.
100% agree. Abbey might be wrong about some things, but at least she acknowledges that she does not know everything and is working on herself, while UV can sometimes be so arrogant and ignorant that it hurts. Rolling my eyes so hard...
I understood Abbey perfectly about the internalized fatphobia. How is that hard to imagine? When I see an obese person I catch myself thinking “wow she looks horrible” and then I feel horrible for thinking that. And you cant just stop doing that. Thats why its called internalized...
And I know I do that because of the stupid beauty standards! So its not even my fault that I have this thinking pattern.
@LS AE are you on crack 😒
Abbey very clearly says “disordered eating” and not “eating disorders” and i can promise you it is NOT rare to have patterns of disordered eating. you stated that yourself in the video. good for you you were able to over come that so easily but it is a lifelong journey for a lot of us.
also you clearly have never heard a fat person tell a story about going to a doctor. it isn’t a small issue. MANY doctors simply will not look past someone’s weight into other issues they may be having and say “lose weight” as if it is the cure all when many other problems may be happening. the medical industry IS fatphobic.
don’t even get me started on the internalized racism comment 🙃
ugh this was really lame
Intuitive eating doesn't mean "eat every craving you have", it means "eat what your body needs". A lot of people don't know how to differentiate between "I want this because it's yummy" vs "My body needs this"
exactly. someone said it
YES.
And as someone who’s had eating disorders heavily in my past I need to normalize food rather then being terrified to eat a piece of bread.
Anytime I try to restrict myself too much or have too many rules I literally just stop eating entirely. I have a schedule for eating but I’m not strict because I know my body and how it works and what it needs.
Intuitive eating isn’t just “o I want cookie, yum ima eat the entire jar everyday” .
For me it’s more like “yo I hate my body and want to fast for a week, but my body could probably use a smoothie and burrito so I’ll eat it and have energy”
Shits making me pissed
Eat what ur body needs: your body doesn't need chips and candies
@@microwavebrain1035 thank you for being so open. Your point of view adds extra clarification that is so important! I wish more people knew the true meaning of intuitive eating and how to apply it to both losing weight and to recovering from eating disorders. This is an imperative element of health my sister and I are trying to learn.
I think Abbey’s content tends to be geared toward those with eating disorders. So for that community( I include myself as someone who struggles with BED) the whole cheat meal concept is very harmful. Abbey is very open about her former struggles with ED and I think Swayze is not taking that into consideration. I think Abbey does a lot of good helping those who do moralize food in a negative way. Kind of another example of Swayze missing the point. Part of why I have unsubbed.
Ya, maybe she has a good reason for promoting a tea that doesn’t align with any of her values... 💵🤑💵
@MdoubleHB yes, but she doesn't promote products that contradict her message and philosophy.
@ana skarsgård she's promoting thattt!!!
With internalised fatphobia i think she means that she looks down on her body or feels bad about not being skinny even though she rationally knows theres nothing wrong or bad with being chubby etc. Your definition of internalised racism is.. off? If im not wrong, most people refer to internalised racism as in people of colour looking down on their lack of whiteness. For example, a black person viewing their hair as ugly or bad just because afro hair socially is looked down upon a lot in society. That person can know that theres nothing wrong or bad with being black and having curly hair, but still deep down have those thoughts due to trauma or social situation. Im gay, and sometimes I still feel bad about seeming too gay, or doing something too stereotypical, even though im GAY and not homophobic. I view that as internalised homophobia.
I totally agree, I just gives off the vibes of not taking responsibility as a white person to check yourself for unconscious biases towards race. Like that's just white privilege for her to dust off all that.
That racism comment girl 💀 Shoulda just left that out sis, it's way more complicated than that. Your take felt really dismissive and places individual blame when more often than not the most long lasting and damaging effects of racism occur both in systemic ways and implicit ways.
It's disappointingly on par with how her commentary usually is in relation to race issues
She very rarely understands race issues, she’s always making flippant remarks
It’s so disappointing to hear her views on race because her other videos on veganism and the community are so insightful. I don’t think she fully understands the concept of internalized racism and a lot of issues surrounding systematic racism.
I agree, she should have left that comment out. -_-
@@husnnahhazrati7794 well, she is a white vegan influencer, so it’s not surprising.
Fantastic commentary on Abbey Sharp. However, as many others have stated, your perspective on internalised racism is overly simplistic, naive and detrimental.
I think a good quote which demonstrates the process of unlearning internalised racism/bias is: "You are not responsible for your the first thought that pops into your mind. But you are responsible for your second thought and your following actions". It takes time to relearn how to respond to your initial biases, you can't just rewire your thought pattern overnight.
I hope she sees some of these comments and reads up on the psychology behind internalized assumptions and implicit bias.
I had to stop following abbey a while ago, she’s wildly judgmental in a ‘I’m judging you because I’m helping’ kind of condescending way
Yeah and she always tries to sell stuff it’s annoying
I stopped watching because every video is exactly the same video. She never says anything new.
I stopped following her when she said that weetabix in milk coated with sugar is a good breakfast.
I cant believe you dont believe in internalised racism. "Oh have you tried changing the beliefs you were unconciously raised with and dont even know you have a lot of times ? "Try reading some basic psychology books. Like I'm really disappointed.
Right? A few years ago I wouldn't have said I was racist.. and after learning about system racism, I would say there are behaviours I have that I have to work on because I was raised in a colonised society.. just because I don't have racist interactions with poc, doesn't mean I can't work on my beliefs.
there's no stage of being an enlightened white person. it's something you've gotta work on your whole life.
Yessss it’s similar to internalised misogyny
I was really surprised at this statement as well.
yeah it really surprised me too, especially because a lot of the attributions you make about people can be unconscious, and then you rationalize your thoughts and behaviors. You might even believe you're not racist, when in fact you are racist.
As a physician, Mike was telling the truth, in a time when leniency, appeasing and enabling have become mandatory, almost.
Meanwhile childhood and adult obesity rates are still continuing to climb
I find it really disheartening the number of times that you seem to intentionally take Abbey out of context. Maybe it’s your internalized bias showing.
Also, it’s worth repeating others comments. Disordered eating is not necessarily synonymous with having an eating disorder. (Think rectangles and squares.) Both are far more common than you seem to realize. Abbey being a source that notes signs of disordered eating and pointing out potential triggers for people is not an attack against you. Comparing the handling of a food allergy to an eating disorder is highly dismissive and tone deaf.
Speaking of tone deaf... “Just stop having those beliefs.” Internalized bias is real. Internalized racism is real. I’ll leave it to your BIPOC viewers to address this in more detail.
Be better.
It's such a shame- I'm a dietitian and I was so happy to see a dietitian becoming popular. However, she's become more and more HAES and has got deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole and I really cannot stand watching her anymore. She isn't using the evidence that is what underpins the dietitians. She cherry picks and really does not listen to the science, making her a poor dietitian. Such a shame.
Not a dietitian, but I just find the HAES movement really frustrating. Most of us will never look like models, no matter how healthy we eat or how much we work out. It's great to celebrate that! However, I see people using HAES to justify not eating healthy food, even if it's available to them, or not exercising. HAES != every size is healthy.
I’m a dietitian too and had to recently unfollow her. She drives me nuts!!
I think she's just really susceptible to followers' comments in general. (Which makes sense -- I'm sure it's difficult to block all that out when you're active in the comments like she is.) At this point, she's been pulled in so many directions trying not to offend anyone that her message isn't coherent anymore.
Thank you, I was getting frustrated thinking that all dieticians are now jumping on this weird HAES train.
Good to see that not all dietician agree with her
@Snow White couldn’t have said it bette myself!!!! If we’re truly concerned about people’s health we need to realize that this approach of just telling people to lose weight is NOT working. In fact it usually backfires...
I've been obese for years and I find that Abby can only tackle ED from the undereating side of the spectrum. Like, at 250lbs it would have been detrimental to me not to count calories. I wish that she at least was honest about who her advice might work for (skinny women with ED, not fat people that binge).
I have to disagree. As someone who WAS obese, and is now within the normal BMI, her videos helped me alter my mindset to a point where I’m not obsessed with food and calorie counting anymore, rather I enjoy eating and cooking stress free. I don’t agree with her on every count, but to me that’s just a point of discussion, not an end all to cancel her.
Agreed, I have anorexia and her criticism of people's wieiad videos in terms of being perfectly nutritionally balanced whilst also saying to eat intuitively is confusing and conflicting information to me and leads me to distrust dieticians
I think there are people from all kinds of walks of life and struggles that can benefit from what she advocates for. I think my main problem with her, atleast in the past, was that she was pretty dogmatic about the HAES and intuitive eating stuff, almost as if she genuinely believed what saved her can save absolutely everyone. I think she has eased up a bit on that nowadays, and she's much less shamey of people wanting to lose weight. I think it would be fine for her to just keep reminding people that "I support you if you want to lose weight, but this is not a weight loss channel". I know she made a video entitled "I support you if you want to lose weight" back in January, but that kind of message needs to be as recurring as the opposite used to be on her channel, or people aren't going to get the memo lol.
Me too. I'm overweight and trying to lose weight to get down to a healthy range, and had to stop watching Abbey because she just has no understanding of what life is like for anyone who has suffered with overeating, obesity, or excess weight. She also doesn't understand treatment programs for BED, in which limiting or eliminating trigger foods is actually a key part at least initially. I left a comment a year or so ago on one of her videos and which she went on a rant about how losing weight intentionally is bad, and told her that as someone who has suffering health consequences because of my weight that her view was really harmful and unsupportive. Her next video out after that was an apology to people like me lol. I think she needs more push back from our side of the community because right now her primary audience are people like her who have suffered with orthorexia or dieting, not people with overeating habits. in the times when I visited her channel recently most of her videos seem like she's just projecting her unresolved orthorexia therapy on to her audience
Exactly! I'm not obese but I struggle with BED and I would probably be much much bigger if I didn't count calories (it helped with my eating disorder actually). Eating whatever you feel like guilt free is not a good idea for binge eaters lol
Intuitive eating helped me through the quarentine, as I have food fears and bad moments with eating. I do eat to the point of satisfaction, conscious of my weight gain or loss because of the amount/type of food. I'm more conscious of what I eat and drink. I honour the comfort and health over pure hunger pain.
Same here. Intuitive eating has taught me that it's okay to stop eating because I'm full and save the rest for later, because I know I can have some the next day. If I was still restricting, I would feel the need to finish even if I was full because it was my "one chance" to eat this "bad" food.
same here! makes me so sad to think anyone could be turned off intuitive eating from a video like this.
She annoys me already.
Saying that Mike should say that fasting isn't for everyone while she most of the time does NOT say that herself even though it counts for the things she says as well.
Not everything she says is for everyone. Actually her things are mostly for people that ate too little and/or were super controlling woth food.
more people struggle with obesity and metabolic diseases (which doctor Mike associated himself with) than a specific type of disordered eatIng like Abby's. Disordered eatIng actually has many types, and not all are like what Abby's portrayed.. Abby oversimplifies things a lot
I definitely agree, she neglects to recognize that people who are overweight and attempting to lose weight with disordered eating or those with Binge-Eating Disorder that causes weight gain would be detrimentally impacted by “intuitive eating” in a vastly different way than those in a worse state of health and those underweight, even seeking to lose more weight.
Counting calories actually keeps me from the binge/purge bulimia cycle because staying at a reasonable calorie level makes sure I never reach that horrible overly full feeling. I know it triggers some people, but I'm not one of them
Exactly the same for me!
I feel this!!
I hope this isn’t too odd but ... could I message you about this? I struggle with binging at night and tracking does help me but I’ll immediately stop tracking as soon as I can’t track something specifically. (Like a bite of something or something I made at home that I don’t know the exact info for) 😔 im so sick of the cycle and waking up with severe heartburn from binging and feeling fucking horrible
@@picklejuice2 hi, i know you weren't talking to me, but i have struggled with this too. On rare occasions when i could not count a thing, i found it helpful to let myself eat the thing and just count everything ELSE. I accept a small uncounted surplus for that day in exchange for not binging. For me this happens rarely enough that I don't gain weight long term.
@@picklejuice2 Sure! Feel free. I'm not a doctor or a therapist, but I can tell you what I do. If I don't know the count of something, I'll find a similar recipe online or a similar product on my tracker and just plug that in. You'll be in the ballpark and that's more than good enough.
Swayze you don't have intrusive thoughts? That's what I think about internalized bias. Intrusive thoughts that differ from your conscious beliefs.
"If you finish your portion of seeds and are hungry for more, then go and eat more" If I follow that I'll be eating kilos of pecans at a time, and I'm not even exaggerating. I know nuts are supposed to be healthy, but I think that's a few too many
same here, with peanuts. especially the salted ones, so tasty. i could go through bags of it. i think that taking just 1 portion and not go back and eat more is a good idea in my case.
I feel like there is a nuance that is being lost in most of these conversations, but is very important. There is a difference between being still hungry, and still wanting more. I, as a person in recovery from Binge Eating Disorder, have a lot of issues with the intuitive eating thing, but as I've worked very hard to learn to listen to my body (and it's been a lot of work, and I'm still only so-so at it), being allowed to go back for more if I'm still HUNGRY is something that has been super helpful to me. The important thing tho, is that it's not that I'm going back just because I want more. Tbh the thing I hate most about Intuitive Eating is it's name. I think the idea of listening to your body is great, but it's not intuitive at all, because you have to learn to listen to your BODY and not your mind, or your tongue.
And trust me, your objection here is one I've made a hundred times. It's super reasonable. I agree. I 100% feel like people who promote "Intuitive Eating" don't discuss how absolutely not intuitive it is. You aren't listening to whatever the hell you want. But learning to listen to what actually makes your body feel good, which takes a lot of time and effort, is IMO the idea of it.
Then again, I haven't actually read the book(s) on the topic, I just follow people who promote it.
That’s pretty much what happened to me when I did intuitive eating. I tried it for two months and gained nearly 30 pounds. And I was already 15 pounds overweight to start out with. I was convinced that my body was resetting but nope, I just have a massive appetite and love food.
A.S Bernard I’m the same. Intuitive Eating did NOT work for me, at least when I was still at that stage in life. I started losing weight by calorie counting about six months ago, and have incorporated a few intuitive eating principles into my eating, and they work a bit better now. But calorie counting is still the main thing that trumps intuitive eating.
Everyone makes the same joke because they aren't sure what is meant by intuitive eating. if you ate that many pecans intuitively, your body would pretty soon be like "woah, stop now". If you just ate them while watching tv then yeah, you could eat too many.
I recently bought a big bag of brazil nuts after not having any for ages and the first day they tasted INCREDIBLE and now they are back to just tasting normal, we don't binge unless we restrict, for the most part.
i agreed with most things you said up until the internalized racism bit. if we could “just stop” our beliefs, then i’m sure all the systemic racism the us is plagued with would also “just stop.” i’m asian, and i consciously understand that racism is bad like everyone else, but that doesn’t exempt me from from my unconscious beliefs/stereotypes about other races like blacks and latinos and indigenous folks that have been hammered into my brain via the media and subliminal messaging. i have to consciously force myself to undo all the conditioning and erase those beliefs, subbing them in for new ones. i think criticizing someone for trying to work on undoing these things is similarly harmful, and although i don’t agree with everything being automatically considered racist (reinforcing the snowflake ideology), i do think we should continue to work against seemingly “obvious”-ly harmful beliefs. that’s the only way they’ll dissipate, and the only way we can improve as a society. undoing the belief that fat is inherently ugly is clear evidence of this, especially to those with eating disorders. it’s a constant uphill battle, and doesn’t happen because you just “know” that judging someone based on their appearance is wrong. i think there’s a lot of work to be done on both sides here.
As someone with significant health problems causing me to see so many doctors I've lost count, it's not just the older doctors but equally both. Ive even found the newer the doctor the more likely they were to completely ignore my concerns and go straight to weight loss, even when I had a very low fat percentage as the focused way more on bmi than they should have. I've been misdiagnosed because of my weight because they focused far more on the weight causing my health problems and not the other way around. I think there are still fundamental wrong beliefs doctors come out of med school with towards weight because they have "horses not zebras" so pressed into their brain they see weight as the catch all, and it takes years of research to unlearn it. Weight shouldnt be ignored but I also do not think it should be the first thing talked about as it is currently.
I have luckily not ever struggled with food and I find some of Abby's messages make me more uncertain about the way I eat. For example all the intuitive eaters saying that consciously not having specific things in the house is part of diet culture and unhealthy to a certain degree. I find the very light "discipline" I have around food doesn't bother me at all and then I watch her videos and only then do I question my behavior around food and if I'm healthy or not even though I feel perfectly fine the way it is.
Sounds like you have a really healthy relationship with food, I'd give her videos a wide berth
Yeah i think that just means you understand what tempts you and you have found a way to control the temptations. I don't keep candy at the house because if it's here: i will eat it. Quickly. Because it's delicious. There's so much science that we aren't good at knowing how much we've eaten and when to stop, so managing it is just wise.
I feel ya there. I think I’ve started to mess up my relationship with food from watching her videos too much.
I agree with you on so many levels. After watching her reviews of WIEIAD videos, I started to ask myself things at meals like, does this actually have a good balance of fat carbs and protein??? but in a slightly anxious, not so great way, thinking I was being unbalanced even when I'm not and going back and forth on choices that were healthy as is, rather than just, ironically, 'intuitively' just EATING the darn meal! Having to tell myself of course to snap out of it, I have a good relationship with food, my days overall are balanced as a whole and I don't need to 'abbey review' and critique individual meals like that!!
Abbey helped me get over my eating disorder (I used to spit out food because I was afraid of gaining weight)
I’m sad to see this 😭
I’m so glad she helped you as someone who is struggling right now I get that this video may be hard for you mabey try to skip reviews of Abby sence a lot of them comment on the same points hope you are doing good in your recovery:)
honestly i feel like it would be best for you to stop talking about race because you seem to always mishandle it, your perspective is often misinformed, weirdly condescending, and very surface level.
I completely agree with you, had the same thoughts
I still remember her video on BLM and I had to unsubscribe. This is the first video I’ve seen from her since then. I guess not much has changed. Won’t probably be back.
Surface level is just the perfect way to describe it
What time stamp?
@@marieel3225 25:01
my biggest issue with yo-yo dieting is the toll it can take on ones mental health :(
yo-yo dieting has taken a huge toll on my mental health and metabolism :(
But so does obesity and that is far worse.
Haven’t watched much of your video yet, but I just wanna say following Abbey Sharpe and loosely doing intuitive eating has been amazing for my mental health and I have actually been eating healthier and have felt fitter and lost some weight. I was doing a lot of comfort and boredom eating and by mindfully eating whenever I’m hungry and noticing how I feel after eating certain foods (like feeling crap after eating junkfood) I just feel a lot better and my relationship with food is really healthy. Also, that sponsorship looks real suspicious.
Hi Swayze, I appreciate the time and energy taken to make this video. Ia also appreciate you giving a different perspective and view point. Certainly Abby's stand point and advice does not work for everyone but I find some of her messages helpful myself. The only points I wanted to raise with you really was that you said we can't qualify everything and you're right my only issue is that advising people to skip meals might be harmful so I feel that actually that would be a good place to make a disclaimer. We know that a lot of people who watch videos about food and diet do struggle with disordered eating so I think actually that is a fair point. Hope you and your family are safe. PS I haven't finished watching yet so I might update this.
Edit, completely fair point that the responsibility lies on the person to take on the advice, I do agree with that but I still think a disclaimer would not be a bad thing.
Edit 2: ouch about overlooking internalised racism, I think that is a complete dismissal of valid concerns and issues many black people describe experiencing
it's also worth noting that a lot of minors probably watch those videos and younger teens are very impressionable
I have a BMI of 27. I don't "look" overweight because I have a lot of muscle, but my asthma has never been so bad now that I'm much heavier than I used to be. I have to be hospitalised because of it like twice a year. Now that I've lost 12 pounds it's noticeably better.
I said something to this effect on one of abbey's videos, and she replied basically saying it was because I secretly didn't like the way I look, that I was punishing myself, and that I should "try to be kind to myself".
I'm really annoyed because I like the way I look, I think I look good. I don't like being accused of hating myself now that I've learned to love myself, and part of that is not wanting to die early from lung damage, and have to live in and out of the hospital.
I once commented that my many food allergies make intuitive eating the way she promotes it impossible because my body craves things that I know will make me very sick. She replied with something like "are there any yummy alternatives"? Yes there are alternatives but they´re not what my body craves, so should I keep eating myself sick until I stop craving them? Because that moment won´t come (at least it hasn´t in the past 20 years).
Wow, so interesting that even muscle weight can have an unhealthy impact on someone's health. My husband likes watching strongmen... They have health issues from their weight (usually cardio) even though they obviously exercise a ton and consult nutritionists about their diets.
@@erinaa9486 I don't know about that in general, but my asthma is very much triggered by cold and exercise, so carrying any extra weight is like carrying a 20lb backpack all the time; it's a lot more intense exercise.
@@miekekuppen9275 I'm really sorry you have to go through that, that sounds really difficult. :( I'm glad that you clearly have enough sense to not listen to bad online advice and know how to actually take care of yourself :)
I love your content, but maaan your beliefs about racism need some serious work..
Explain. What are her views? What is the work you think she needs to do?
@@thatgirlreacts5465 The way she talks down to people about race by claiming internalized racism "doesn't exist" and tells people to "just stop thinking those things" comes off as incredibly ignorant and misinformed. She also made a video a while back about BLM and her takes about race/racism in that video weren't great either which created a fallout with some of her audience, if I remember correctly. In addition, her stubbornness to even consider the possibility that she could be uneducated about race is also hurtful and frustrating. I would recommend at the very least she listen to the people trying to educate her in the comment section. Even better, seek out authors and educators to help her realize her biases and to find ways to actively work against them. Obviously she doesn't HAVE to do anything anyone is recommending to her in the comments, but the fact that she continues to talk about race/racism without ever taking the time or doing the work to properly educate herself is insensitive.
@@tayter_chip I find the idea that someone has to educate themselves because they have a different opinion than the mainstream about racism in America absolutely ridiculous! Have you listened to Sam Harris, Coleman Hughes and John McWhorter on that matter? Have you looked into Rowan Frier’s research on the police of 10 major American cities? Have you looked into the statistics of how many blacks vs whites are killed at the hands of the police and compared that to the percentage of blacks vs whites who actually commit crimes, especially violent crimes, as opposed to looking at the percentage of said races who are killed by the police in contrast to the percentage of said races amongst the whole population? Because if your answer is no to even one of those then I could very well say you’re not educated enough yourself.
The problem is that people who have accepted the status quo on the idea of racism in America think that there is no other way to look at it. But news flash, there actually is. Now she may be right about her views or she may be wrong, idk. What I do know is that acting like there is only one way to look at it and that if one doesn’t follow the herd in this they’re just uneducated is actually more moronic than the things said by the people you claim to be uneducated. Simply put: she’s allowed to have her views and you’re allowed to have yours. She isn’t wrong or uneducated and neither are you. You just see the same issue differently.
@@thatgirlreacts5465 you have a very good point.. I would agree with you that I am undereducated on the topic of race, as most of us are. There is always more to learn, more areas to grow and better myself, and things to work on. I guess my main issue with UV is that she states her opinion as being fact without being open to discussion on the topic she brings up. She leaves no room for discussion or debate. She very much comes across as “that’s it, I’m right, end of story” on the topic of race, but I feel she brings a much more nuanced and open opinion to things such as veganism. Idk, just my take on the whole situation.
@@tayter_chip I haven’t really heard her talk about her views on racism so for now I’ll take your word for it. Problem is, you seemed to be doing the same thing you say she’s done. You said she needed to be educated, as fact. As though whatever she thinks is factually wrong and you know for a fact she lacks education on the matter. If you disagree with her, that’s fine. What I have an issue with is when people act like there is only one way (mainstream way) to look at this topic (racism in America).
I myself hold views on this that are different than the mainstream but I still try to listen to both sides whenever possible because I think there can be merit on both sides. I just wish people were more open to the idea that maybe there is another way to look at this without thinking that it’s racist or ignorant to do so. Because that couldn’t be further from the truth.
Anyways, thanks for talking to me and for “listening”!
On internalized racism (and other internalized things): Racism is so much more than just "a person doing or saying a racist thing" its systemic. and since everyone internalizes certain things values and things from the society around them, without neccessarily being aware of it (like how kids copy certain behaivours or world views from their caregivers without being conciously aware of it) and racism has always been an intrisic part of the current sociatial system and the way the system is built enables and supports opressive ways of thinking/doing (like racism), its conclusive that internalized racism is a thing and not something one can fix by just "not thinking bad things about POC anymore"
@meadhbh Fitzpatrick
I dont have a concrete plan on how to solve racism, I dont think thats possible. But abolishing oppressive structures, meeting peoples material needs and educating people would be a good start.
I think defining if an individual is racist or not isnt of that much importance, unless they are directly hurting people. And non-racists people can still perform racist actions. But I do believe that it would be beneficial for us, the working class, to do some introspection and examine how different kinds of oppression have shaped our views.
@meadhbh Fitzpatrick yeah, thats the culture wars and neoliberalism trying to make everything about the individual and how individuals behave etc
I love your opinions on health, veganism, etc. I think you are very well educated in these areas and love listening to your very rational opinions. However, please try to further educate yourself regarding internalised racism; internalization is the process of making behaviors a part of one's nature by learning or unconsciously assimilating; Therefore, internalized racism is a direct product of the systematic racism that reinforces negativ beliefs through both conscious and unconscious acceptance of a racial hierarchy, including belief in negative racial stereotypes, adaptations to white cultural standards, etc E.G.: Prejudice, mistrust of POC / black leadership in professional settings, seeking out approval from white people more so than POC, censoring one's own opinion when faced with racist comments from white people, etc etc etc - saying it doesn't exist is discrediting so many black / POC experiences :(
It's so weird because as a neoliberal she probably knows about internalized misogyny🤦
@@rando6002 you'd imagine but i've gotten the idea from some of her vids that she's not super versed in systems of oppression aside from economic privilege
@@reginaregina9878 I hope she either does a deep dive or shuts up about it already. She just keeps popping in these little jabs and I'm starting to really understand the meaning of "microaggression." Choosing to leave these unsubstantiated comments in her videos when she could easily edit them out really bothers me.
@@rando6002 I‘m not sure if that’s the case but it would certainly be very neoliberal of her to recognize misogyny but not recognize internalized racism and be against intersectionality at the same time smh
@meadhbh Fitzpatrick Are you asking how she would know about internalized misogyny? As a woman who hates other women and has met many other women who hate other women I might take it for granted as obvious. "Neoliberals" around here are all seem aware of feminism and the obstacles and challenges created by internalized misogyny.
Thank you for debunking all of this nonsense. Dieting gave me the gift of going from a size 22 to a size 12, from hiding at home to being able to wear a swimsuit. I've held that for 15 years. Diets do work and I have hypothyroidism.
The "intuitive eating" thing is dangerous for the majority of diabetics, especially type 1 diabetics and insulin treated type 2 diabetics. I cannot control my blood sugars if I eat what I crave. I have to hold it to low carb foods, like low carb vegetables (which I love, so no problem there) and low carb protein foods.
And yes, "cheat meals" are perfectly legitimate here, if you can control it and hold it to a few cheat meals, and not go "crazy" for days on end. I like to eat 1 or 2 cheat meals a week, where I'm less focused on perfect blood sugars during those few hours, and just enjoy myself.
Right but that is for medical reasons, not dieting. You don’t really have a choice like non-diabetic people do.
@@ameliavelasco8602 That’s true. But Abby often doesn’t put that as a disclaimer in her videos. Diabetes is the only “mainstream” illness where food has a central and extremely important role to play for good health. There are more diabetics than there are people with eating disorders (mostly type 2, I’m a type 1), and she focuses a lot on putting disclaimers about eating disorders.
True that eating disorders have a more acute nature compared to diabetes and can be triggered (untreated type 1 is very acute and deadly, though), but negating the struggle that diabetics go through with regards to food is doing them/us a disservice. Diabetes is one of the main killers in the developed world.
She simply dismisses the idea that talking about people having a problem with adherence as fat shaming. That’s sooo bad for people like us, especially because most type 2 diabetics are overweight. She reinforces the idea that there isn’t much people can do to lose weight or control their eating, which is why she says intuitive eating is okay, while weight loss is one of the most important things all diabetics can do.
Adherence is THE main problem with most food related goals, be it weight loss, to control blood sugar, cholesterol or blood pressure - which are all extremely common illnesses where intuitive eating is detrimental in most people.
It isn’t offensive to talk about and it isn’t “blaming the victim” so to speak; it’s a biological fact that is now a problem with our access to endless amounts of food. In my opinion, we should be researching on a large scale, to find a way to make adherence easier. That will be one of the most significant breakthroughs in modern healthcare.
@@Lemonz1989 there’s a fascinating documentary on TH-cam about “diabulimia” where type 1 diabetics purposefully don’t take their insulin to lose weight while eating whatever they eat. So there’s definitely overlap with diabetes and eating disorders.
Yes being overweight can lead to complications such as diabetes, weight loss can reduce the chances of getting it, but there are also genetic/environmental factors that come into play. A majority of my family has diabetes (I do not, but I am overweight) and I can understand the temptation to blame them but like I said in my comment before yours (you prob missed it so that’s understandable) but there is too much emotion involved in diet culture, and a large majority of people are overweight due to disordered eating most likely due to emotional trauma, stress, depression, etc. So diet culture is inherently harmful to those of us affected by mental disorders.
Anorexia/bulimia is the number 1 deadliest mental disorder. It should not be taken lightly. Overweight people can be anorexic/bulimic. You never know what someone is going through, so to tell them to just diet does their complex life injustice.
Any diet someone goes on should be an informed choice and discussion with their primary doctor or nutritionist, not by people on TH-cam saying foods are “good” or “bad” and sharing fad diet myths.
I can't do intuitive eating because I have a history of eating disorders and I have mental illness that make my appetite very low at time.
Lemonz1989 I would hope that if you have diabetes you’re not dumb enough to just throw out everything your doctor had told you to do and eat whatever tf you like knowing the consequences... like please. It’s obvious. Probably why she doesn’t mention it. Diabetics are not her target audience. Her advice is not for you. You have a medical condition that needs to be managed by you and your dr. Not old mate on TH-cam.
Internalized means you don't realize you have negative thoughts about someone until you really analyze those thoughts. Most people go about there day not examining their thoughts and feelings so saying "just stop being racist" is reductive, especially when those internalized ideas are reinforced through media and social interactions.
I am a psychology major and the way you oversimplify the psychological aspect of weight loss and even maintaining your weight astounds me. A LOT of people are knowledgeable about calories and nutrition in general but remain overweight. It's a bit more complicated than calories-in, calories-out.
thank you so much for saying this. it affects some people for their entire life and it hurt me to hear her belittle it:(
@@what_like_its_hard It's very common to struggle with weight management and that's normal. Nothing to feel weird about. I hope you can love yourself no matter what the scale says. :)
@@PeaceOfMake thank you:) I'm currently in recovery and I'm fighting! ty for caring:)
Hear hear.
Thermodynamics exist. When I was at my lowest mentally... I stopped eating/barely ate at all. I lost weight.
Thermodynamic diesnt care about your mental health. It will happen regardless of any medical problems a person has.
Your body will burn a certian amount of calories to maintain itself. If you don't replenish this you will lose weight. Think of it as a bank. If you spend more money than you put into an account you will be in debt.
You need a serious brushing up on psychology if you dont think internalized racism is a thing and you can just "not believe it" . You really need to stop talking about race issues, its pathetic.
Oh wow, she isn't racist and just because you tell her she is racist she won't buy your bullshit. You need to stop telling people when they can speak, you are disgusting and displaying worrying fascist behaviour.
I can't watch Dr Mike because he is on a Noom advert and I just don't think doctors should affiliate with something like that (or any company really).
Maybe, but noom was actually really helpful for me and was the first/only program like that which helped me rethink my relationship with food in a really great way
Same, but for me it was since he did a processed meat commercial video, sponsored by the National Pork Board. As a doctor, he should know better than shill for carcinogenic animal flesh. In it for the monnies this guy is.
@@annikala I am not saying Noom doesn't work or isn't a good company. I'm talking about whether doctors should have brand affiliations.
@@pupax2000 I know his videos are a good starting point but people should always conduct further research. Doctors should remain unbiased and his adverts are too biased and "health" related.
@@emmak4938 yeah, good point
With regards to the comments about internalised racism and fatphobia. I strongly recommend you look into research around Unconscious Bias. We can have these biases about tons of things (race, age, social class, gender, weight etc.) without actively realising it. For example if I'm biased against men I might judge failures more harshly than a similar action from a woman.
At my work (a large university) we all do "unconscious bias training" to help identify where we might have biases and look at how you can avoid these having impacts on workplace decision like promotions, hiring and disciplinaries.
I agree with everything but that last part. I think to some people it's really hard to let go of beliefs they held their whole lives, and it is work. Just because you had that moment where it "clicks" that you're wrong, doesn't mean you then automatically hit a reset button and all feelings and behaviours you previously had towards that thing disappears. It makes us uncomfortable and sometimes even angry and we must fight against our own feelings because rationally we know they are unjustified. I think it's unrealistic to say "it's easy not believing in X or not being Y". It's really not, specially if your whole life you were taught otherwise, and your whole view of the world is being forced to shift as an affort of you trying to be a better person. It is not easy, it's uncomfortable and it sucks ass, and it is work.
Disordered eating AND eating disorders are much more common than we think and I find some parts and comments that were made in this video highly offensive to people who struggle with these problems. Especially coming from someone who had bulimia (as you are stating in the beginning of your video) 🤔.
No. True eating disorders are RARE. Only affecting 9% of the worlds population.
I think the problem with this video is that it suggest that people fall into the categories of healthy, overweight or eating disorder sufferer, which ignores that eating disorders impact overweight and obese people too. Anorexia and bulimia are not the only eating disorders and being thin is not the only indicator of an eating disorder - its about the behaviors. So if a doctor is automatically focusing on weight loss as the goal when speaking with someone who is overweight, they aren’t even considering that the person may have an eating disorder and they are potentially doing them harm. There are countless stories of doctors encouraging eating disorder behaviors in overweight eating disorder sufferers.
I stopped watching her as well, she has no firm stance on anything. Also, to add on to what she said about adherence, if there was some sort of underlying medical issue, etc. if your diet plan has been prescribed by a doctor, as Dr. Mike says in his video, chances are you've already been screened to make sure there's not a medical reason you're overweight. And obviously the onus should be on the patient, like any other diagnosis, a doctor can diagnose you and prescribe a medical plan...the patient still has to adhere to it. Not adhering to a prescribed diet plan, is no different than not taking prescribed medication.
It's like she is Canadian to a fault- an extreme people pleaser and constantly apologizing
I disagree. A lot of doctors don't properly screen fat patients for medical issues pertaining to their weight, and a lot of them promote really wrong stuff about nutrition and dieting because they make assumptions that are honestly based on institutionalized fatphobia. I can't even count the amount of stories I've heard of patients not being screened properly and having to learn much later after trying dieting they were told to do that actually there's stuff going on that would have allowed them to lose weight more easily if it had been addressed sooner.
@@hh-kf8br agree 100%
@@hh-kf8br we will have to agree to disagree. That has not been my experience here in Canada, in regards to what you're saying about medical screenings, ex. blood tests, etc. I do agree that your average family or general practice doctor isn't well educated when it comes to nutrition...a friend in the medical field told me the education they receive is literally a week, unless they've specialized in nutrition, which does happen, though not common. I guess perhaps I have been lucky with the family doctors I have had.
@@hh-kf8br It's because they haven't accepted that MDs shouldn't be giving out nutritional advice and they're supposed to refer immediately. .They are not trained to assess someone's nutritional status if they have concerns they should refer as they do with other fields without giving advice randomly. Fatphobia in health fields comes from society and standards in beauty and many in the field enter it with bad habits and borderline eating disorders so many end up extrapolating their issues on patients without realizing it but because they look a certain way people actually think they are doing things right. I think medical schools need to start bringing down their egos and accepting that there's a reason there are different fields and different specialists for everything.
Great video! I actually disagree with you on the last point about internalised phobias (which is refreshing as I usually agree with everything you say). Taking racism as an example, its not as easy as "just stop". Looking at two CVs, plenty of white people who have no conscious racist thoughts might lean towards other "white-sounding" names without even realising they're doing it. It's a real problem, which is why anonymised CVs are a good thing.
I imagine Abbey is referring to the same sort of thing - maybe an instinctive negative feeling towards overweight people that isn't rational. Its still a problem, still something to work on of course, but I think its not necessarily as easy as you make out to change these feelings.
I think that something that is often ignored is that overeating can be an eating disorder. Abby likes to ignore things like binge eating disorder, saying it’s because of restriction. So insulting to people suffering with it.
Hey! Binge eating is actually caused by restriction in most cases! I had a binge eating disorder for 5 years (and I know many people who have had one as well) and intuitive eating was the only way we were able to recover. Restriction leads to binges, so once you allow yourself to eat whatever you want (I know, it sounds terrifying), you won't want to binge anymore! I eat totally normally now and totally normal quantities of a variety of foods. It won't happen overnight, and you will definitely overeat at first, but it is literally the best thing I have ever done for myself. I only wish i had stopped restricting sooner! Of course it won't work for 100% of people, but it will work for most if you just give it a try!
@@sydneyheath9609 I’ve actually never had binge eating disorder but I’ve known many people who’ve had it. And yes I 100% agree the only way to recover is to stop restricting. My only point was is she often acts like binge eating disorder is just being hungry. And eating more after being on a diet and binge eating disorder are worlds different. I’m just saying it’s insulting to act like they’re the same thing. Btw really happy you’ve recovered 😊
@@sydneyheath9609 Binging has many reasons and for many, it’s not based on restricting. I binge whenever I am sad or feel like I need to celebrate with food.
@@sydneyheath9609 this omg
i feel like you never try to understand what abbey says, you just like to say she’s wrong. i don’t think she’s right all the time but you seem to talk about a lot of things you don’t know anything about, like internalized racism.
"If someone has an eating disorder they shouldn't be watching Dr Mike in the first place "
WTF do you mean?
he talks about weight and calories constantly it's probably not the healthiest thing for someone who's recovering from an eating disorder to be watching. I think that is what she means.
Because anyone who has an Ed probably only watch health related content as a trigger. That's what I used to do, watch millions of videos on the risks of being overweight to justify my anorexic behavior lol, I'm glad that I'm better but it was a long journey
They should be seeking professional help and not relying on TH-cam, is what I assume she seems but I also don’t think that’s realistic.
HAHA I was thinking the same exact thing
Right?? If life is as simple as that, maybe those with eating disorders should just ... not have eating disorders? OH! Thanks UV, I never thought of that...
Great video!! Thank you for taking the time to break this down :) just wanted to point out one thing about internalized racism...it’s not actually about being racist towards others but holding racist ideologies about your own race if you’re a POC. In many ways it can be a form of self-hate. And it’s actually not very obvious...usually subconscious and learnt through the manner in which your socialized.
Hey Swayze, I never commented before but I've been watching your videos for years and I respect you and your opinions very much. However, or maybe because of that, it makes me sad to see you not only make an insensitive statement about racism, but also not responding to any comments trying to educate you about this. Id really appreciate it if you opened yourself for this discussion
Her attitude about eating disorders bothers me too
I do respectfully disagree with you for the eating disorder point, I think it's important to put disclaimers on videos about eating because some individuals that don't know they have disordered eating could start developing unhealthy patterns after watching a video. Maybe including a disclaimer could help people (especially teens) realize that if it becomes obsessive to maybe seek help.
No its not. I have food allergies so does every food/nutrition chanel have to plaster disclosures EVERY time they talk about that food?
No. That's nonsense.
Hey UV! First of all, dope vid. Second, I'm a bit interested in ur views about the whole 'internalized fatphobia/internalized racism' thing. My understanding of it is that we often have unconscious biases against certain groups due to our surroundings, and although we may logically understand that the group (eg. obese folks) aren't any worse than others, we still may have negative 'gut-reactions' to them (eg. looking at an overweight person eating ice-cream and judging them). So, I think that abby was sort of referring to stuff like that (perhaps as a dietitian that means examining their own terminology/ways in which they interact with their clients to ensure that the client isn't feeling judged or that their unique challenges as an obese person aren't brushed off. Ik that a lot of obese ppl feel that they are not heard by doctors in that way).
Maybe this point isn't super relevant tho!
I don’t always love or agree with Abbey, but I’m kind of getting frustrated with you because you want to assert yourself with authority you simply do not have. If you want to be an authority on nutrition, go back to school and become an RD.
The thing is though, Swayze is only pointing out scientifically wrong arguments (e.g. that obesity is unhealthy in all cases) or ones that aren’t logical (e.g.that Dr. Mike is fat-phobic, even though/because he is just presenting evidence based facts). She is not claiming that she has any sort of authority herself, she is just (rightfully so, in my opinion) arguing that the scientific research and consensus should be the base of any decision making when it comes to loosing weight. Swayze has said multiple times, that because she doesn’t have a degree in nutrition she is referring back to people who do (studies, Dietitians,
Psychologists...).
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On your point about medication, I messaged abby on instagram recently asking if intuitive eating is possible if you're on medication which alters your hunger signals or have a health condition which does. She said that yes but it would require planning. scheduling meals to ensure I'm getting the nutrition I need so I'm not sure what that means because if I'm planning it's not really intuitive ? I don't know man.
I know I'm late but as someone who is on medicine similar to this. If it is concerning you. Please talk to the doctor who prescribed it or the pharmacist. They may be able to help if you are having trouble with eating after starting a medication.
Not recognizing that internalized racism is real is part of the problem.
Ugh I am going to just assume that you just don’t understand internalized racism. Because if you did, what you said was really insensitive, but also just didnt make sense. Otherwise great video!
Check out her black lives matter videos, she’s pretty ignorant on race
Can u explain it to me
I’m a minority technically n curious
@@Max4Z bruv this was 3 years ago
swayze i really respect you but your understanding of racism is flawed...
So is her understanding that she's not a nutrition expert when she has no qualifications. Being able to read a paper you found online isn't the same as extensive studies for years to earn an advanced degree in the field
@@xosecox12 right, abby went to college to become a dietician and she makes logical sense from a psychological and evidence based perspective. Swazy is just reading a research paper and thinks she understands all the nuance.
I agree about her understanding about racism being flawed but I also think she’s being wayyy too judgmental towards abbey. Acting like eating disorders don’t hardly exist is insane. Because of the media acting like the goal should be being skinny, a lot of people have issues with eating disorders and struggle with disordered thinking towards food. My mindset towards food has gotten better because of abbey to be honest. I struggle with being frustrated because of seeing so many size zero people in the media but I’ve come to realize that I’ll never be a size zero and that’s ok.
One thing I hate about what Abby says is stuff interfering with enjoyment of food. My bariatric surgeon always had the goal of making food fuel for your body. Can you enjoy the food you are eating? Absolutely. Should you hate the food you are eating? No. But people will take that and say "Not eating a whole thing of oreos is interfering with my enjoyment of food." Nor should that be the ENTIRE reason you are eating.
restricting calories (and not going too far) actually makes me enjoy food more. Because I'm actually hungry when I eat which makes me savor it
Every one should support clean eating ... come people wash your fruits, veggies, and hands before eating.
I like Abbey a lot, but I get frustrated at her inability to take a hard stand on some things. She is always riding the line and trying to please everyone, and it makes some of the information really blurry.
I use to watch Abbey on a regular basis, but I got burnt out on the intuitive eating & health at every size stuff. She seems to want to put the “blame” on everything & everyone else, but the person putting the food in their mouth 🤷🏻♀️ That’s just my opinion though.
I don't think blame is necessary when trying to help someone with their weight. Not everyone really understands how dieting works and aren't effective as a result.
Yep. Science doesn't give a FUCK about your feelings.
Restricting calories doesn't lead to binge eating-- having an emotional reliance on food does. It is a psychological issue, not nutritional.
It's both
For me it does; I get extremely, uncontrollably hungry if I restrict by more than 400 or so calories a day. That doesn´t mean I can´t have healthier options or lose weight slowly though. It´s simply not a black and white issue and people aren´t all the same.
Most of the research shows that it’s both- only thing that cured my bulimia was eating enough calories. Not saying that psychological issues don’t add to it, but I didn’t have an “emotional reliance on foods” - I didn’t eat enough, leading to binging, leading to purging
It's mostly psychological I agree but you may have a deficiency if you start craving particularly foods though this is rare
"Healthy at any size!"
Sure. That's why my knees and back hurt just from walking around the grocery store.
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I do think the topic of internalized biases is more complicated than “just stop”. Someone may commit to stopping these beliefs in themselves, but take time to undo some of the conditioning done by their parents, teachers, etc. who instilled these beliefs in the first place.
I’ll use an example I have personal experience with; internalized homophobia and heteronormativity (I’m asexual, so I have more experience with the latter). It’s all well and good for me to realize I’m not straight and decide that being something else is ok. It’s an entirely different thing to pick apart heteronormative assumptions that I have that shape my worldview. Things like “you need love to be happy”, “you need to be married by X age, or it’s creepy”, “having kids is the only real purpose humans have.” Even something as basic and obviously homophobic as “hate the sin, not the sinner” may take some people some time and reflection (or a friend’s criticism) to realize. This doesn’t make these views ok, it just makes ongoing self-reflection all the more important.
This is super interesting. All this talk about eating disorders and associating any healthy or conscious eating with eating disorders I believe has caused many people to think they have a mental health problem. I’ve thought about whether there’s something wrong with me because I try to avoid refined sugar most days and don’t give in to just “eating what I want.” Because I would literally eat ice cream, bread and cheese for every meal. This constant dialogue of eating disorders im certain has caused people harm
I used to really like Abbey Sharp, but watching her slowly became a chore as she kept pushing her version of HAES and intuitive eating. I find her insufferable at this point. Her anti-bariatric surgery video tipped me over the edge to completely unsubbing from her. She showed her whole ass in that video by refusing to address and acknowledge the good of bariatric surgery or any of the science behind it (like, say, the fact that bariatric surgery is one of the only ways to actually physically change your "set point"; yanno one of her favorite points to parrot as to why keeping weight off is just impossible). Instead she chose to focus on the potential negatives and presented them as inevitable. I find her disingenuous and vague where it suits her view. I'm glad to see people calling her out over it.
agreed, its esp sinister to me bc she gets to stay thin and healthy while actively discouraging others from doing the same for themselves. and if you see her what i eat in a days, i was so surprised to see its all very healthy stuff, no candy or chocolate as she often praises others for eating in their "what i eat in a day"s. i dont think shes doing this gatekeeping on purpose but its fucked
I hear that all the freaking time. "Diets don't work anyway, and when they do they kill you, so I'm not even going to try." 🤷🏻♀️
17:20 I mostly agree with UV but I think abby's point is that you should focus on the things you can change directly, aka behaviors, and not weight loss, which you can only control indirectly by certain behaviors. Abby's point is focus on the behavior, rather than the goal.
Yes! That is what Health at Every Size (HAES) is actually about. It's about the fact that everyone, at every size, can choose health-enhancing behaviors. That we should focus on healthy behaviors, not directly on weight loss.
@@abigailchappell5754 I think the problem with HAES is everyone interprets it differently. There's nothing wrong with saying being overweight is unhealthy. I also don't think it's necessarily harmful to focus on the goal of losing weight, depending on the person. That being said I can see see Abby Sharp's point, which UV obviously missed. Everyone is different and needs to figure out what works for them.
Eating is ultimately a behavior...NOONE forced food into your throat. You willingly chose what to eat.
So it's ALL on you. PERIOD
Abbey is coming from a place of eating disorders and so she is v cautious about it.
But she speaks like her guidelines are appropriate for the general population... And they are not. if abby wabts to ONLY focus of the rare 9% of the world with an ED. She needs to make that EXTREMELY clear in the first seconds of her video.
I feel like you what you aren't getting is internalized racism or fat phobia or misogyny isn't necessarily a "belief" you hold. Like you can respect people of color or women or fat people and still not realize how society shapes your opinion on things. It's usually not affecting the stuff you openly promote or speak it's a gut reaction or an absent thought that unless you stop and think about it you don't realize what's bad about it or how it is promoting harm. I really believe that you are well intentioned, but you should read more about how pervasive internalized biases can be.
@meadhbh Fitzpatrick that's not what I was talking about, internal racism is not the same inherent.. but no, I think people inherently create in-groups. Western societies have "other-ed" alot of people for their inherent qualities. And we all hold biases that can be challenged so that we can grow as people.
I feel like Abbey tries to make everyone happy to the point where she ends up being an hypocrite and contradicting herself. Not because she is a bad person, I think she doesn't even realize when she does those kind of things.