Yeah man. Jordan would go all out and try to drive and dunk on aggressive defenses that would cheap shot him..Lebron expects everyone to get out of the way and even if they get close to him he pretends like it was worthy of a flagrant foul..mentally tough vs mentally weak.
Jordan was a real man in the purest sense. Not an entitled sissy, not a toxic asshole as LeBron’s cult tries to paint him (he was tough and hard on guys but not abusive), and certainly not a classless clown disrespecting the game. He always knew the game was bigger than him and his behavior backed it up. He didn’t shy from physical play, and if you roughed him up, he’d go all-out to dominate you and prove himself the better man. He’d play through the contact. I grew up watching Jordan and never once heard him whine publicly about the officials or rules.
MJ had 15 years in the league 13 years full season, 11 years in bulls and the amount of cheap shot he had for that 11 year period is more than someone who played for 20 years. Seriously just shows how dumb the argument is.
Im from NYC and those 90s Knicks teams represent everything about the City that's what we liked and we couldn't stop MJ..... I'm not a Knicks fan because of it always told my uncle they would lose and was always proven right..... Good times 😅
the irony of oakley calling himself the toughest player meanwhile jordan took literal beatings for years without making a scene about it... as you said in the video, oakley reeks of insecurity
@@spirit13the1st6 you clearly did not see the games back then. so you just sound like another ignorant new schooler. but to be clear, of course mj got the superstar treatment from the refs often, as does every star today. but your first sentence is ignorant as f***.
I did see a short montage of lebum getting taken out hard any time he went to the hoop. In every team he has played for. But I honestly feel like those take outs are not because they can't stop him but because they are just simply sick of his bs, so they give him a hard one to remind him that he can be touched. Doesn't seem to humble him though unfortunately he's very slow at taking the hint. Every player in the league is sick of his shit and those that support him only do it so they won't get black balled from the league. Just my opinion
I thought about this and figured it was too complex an issue to get into within another video. As you said, some people have retaliated against LeBron for his shit. Some people intentionally commit controlled fouls as he bullies his way in. And there are probably some legit hard fouls. But when did people retaliate against Jordan’s cheap shots? And do intentional grabs on the arm compare to hitting someone airborn? Not to mention Jordan is considerably smaller.
I never saw jordan cheap shot anyone. He used skill to undo his opponents which just adds to the list of reasons why lebron doesn't deserve respect. He's not even top 10 in my eyes. Just a spoilt bitch that's ruining what the game used to represent. When I play I feel like I'm going to war with my team mates, not throwing them under the bus for my mistakes. I'll stop now because I could rant forever at how pathetic he is.
@@AngryOldHoops 100% this. Todays fouls do not compare at all to the Bad Boys and Knicks fouls. I'm so glad you said that, I've been trying to tell people for years that there are no real hard fouls today like there used to be.
@@jumpnam And credit to the late great Kobe, I saw him shrug off a question about a hard foul circa-2005, saying, “In the 80s that wouldn’t even be a flagrant!” This was right around the time the wheels fell off and the league went no-D, no-physicality, and would quickly morph into the present rancid dunk and 3-pointer fest with 140-135 scores every night. It’s NBA Jam with 12 minute quarters now.
Loving these videos 😂. I like that you keep it real and don't hold back. This is what we need on ESPN and all these other sports "shows" I guess you could call them
Charles Oakley is/was known as a rough and tough dude, however, in most cases he was bullying smaller players. As far as I can remember, Larry Johnson had no problems going at him, or McDaniel, or Mahorn and many others. Hell even Charles Barkley was ready to slug it out with him. We know he was tough to a certain degree, there's no reason for him to get his ego involved and let it take over.
I was always the shortest (5'8) and lightest guy (usually 140-150) on the court... and quickest. So I was on the receiving end of physical play. Honestly I enjoyed the physical side of the game. I liked a balance between skill, speed and physicality. The game is at its most interesting when those 3 factors are in a delicate balance. I feel like we've almost completely removed the physicality now and it isn't as fun to watch.
One of the biggest most athletic players in NBA history and instead of using his size+skill he flops all over the coiurt. He whines to the refs constantly because he has no bag, no go to move. Freight train bowling ball his way to the hoop while traveling and shoving defenders and he throws a tantrum when he doesn't get the call. This is the 'modern NBA" full of the most skilled players we've ever seen 🤣🤣🤣
As much as I dislike LBJ and what he has become as a personality on the court, he needed to learn how to flop. Guys his size often don't get the calls they should because he's bigger than the foul committer. I'm not giving him a pass for his antics but can see how he might have started down this pathway. This take applies to players in the all thr way down to AAU basketball. I've seen it for years: big kids don't get calls when they deserve em and are conditioned to flop for attention. It's really sad to see but happens too often.
@@caliagent55Can you imagine Shaq during his playing days flopping all over the court the way LeBum does? Just because he's bigger doesn't give him the excuse to do all that bs
@MrRoda8143 it's not an excuse for LBJ. Flopping is terrible. Period. I was simply pointing out that the number of calls given to players that are larger in stature are less and less often than smaller players. They don't get the same calls with the same frequency. Therefore, one could deduce embellishing on contact and "selling" the call is a strategy to employ so as to obtain more calls, evening out the disparity above. Again, I am not condoning the behavior! Just pointing out how one could become the king of flop over a 15+ year career. It's actually sad LBJ has become the crybaby we see these recent seasons.
@@caliagent55 I totally see with your point, I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I know a lot of these big guys embellish the calls, as you've said. But yup, with LBJ, it's just ridiculous with the flop acting. What a disgrace
As a Knicks fan, Jordan used to piss me off since we could not beat his Bulls. Jordan is the 🐐. No question. With that said, I absolutely LOVED that Knicks/Bulls rivalry. But that damn Charles Smith man. Felt like we had The Bulls in ‘93
Anybody watching FIBA and see the Reeves > LeBron sign? That was fun. The announcers somehow found a way to bring him up, too, despite LBJ not being in the game.
Kids see brons size an that's as far as their reasoning goes.. Lebrons mentality in a physical 90s game would crumble his confidence, crumble his precious box score. The shit talk and intimidation alone would have Bron out of the game before it started.
Im old enough to remember those Bulls Knicks battles in the 90's, and let me tell you, Oakley wasn't even the tough guy enforcer on those Knicks teams, Anthony Mason was. As a Chicago native and Bulls fan, Mason worried me more than Oakley as far as being the tough guy.
mase wasn't there nearly as long as oak, but for sure he was a beast. i always loved his ball handling, a hugely underrated part of his game, he could have been a pg with those handles. i'm glad he got to show more of his skills when he left ny. but seriously, i would not have wanted to mess with either one of those 2. although if i remember correctly, mason at one point had the eyes of a steroid user. just for laughs: i am old enough to remember the knicks battling the lakers in the early 70s. i saw the famous 1970 game 7 on this new technology that was coming around my neighborhood in manhattan - teleprompter cable tv. :-)
Good on your dad for giving you that lesson. That being said, you were a kid and you grew past it. No reason to be embarrassed still 👍 We all start out as little b's lol
I'll guarantee MJ could have been a Pro Bowl receiver in the NFL...At 6'5" with 4.3 speed he could have been a contender, especially with massive and very strong hands...Also, at the same time, Joe Montana took many, many cheap shots, often on concrete, which did shorten his career, unlike Tom "Don't Touch" Brady playing on fields soft as a baby's ass
@@danieltravis5082 Better training, better surgery, better technology, better spying, etc, seemed to help him a lot...plus all the help from opponents who collapsed during big games, especially Atlanta, and some much-needed defensive help, too...
@@thomasautonomousanonymous2050 you forgot better drugs too. But the rule changes definitely benefitted Brady and other qbs. Couldn't touch him or his receivers
@@MikeBNumba6 Many of the rule changes happened little by little while Montana was still playing but they became stricter and/or better enforced under Brady, who also benefitted by playing his full career with the full suite of rules to protect quarterbacks and other offensive players...
People don’t give enough credit to MJ’s quickness. I find that first step advantage more of a real basketball play than just biking up and rolling over people.
Against the Lakers last year, Trey Murphy got a technical for looking at a defender that couldn't stop him. Same game LeBitch gets a little dunk and does his stare-down, nothing!
I tried giving lebron the benefit of the doubt but after coming across AOH’s videos, I realized that the NBA has been protecting this sad excuse of a man, the refs let him travel, carry, push off and flop all the time…it’s sad to know that he can just drive in the paint and know that he can get the foul calls in his favor, then he flexes and stares to the crowd like if he did something spectacular… he mean mugs his opponents but when they do that to him, they get technical fouls called on them. AOH has opened my eyes to what the nba has been doing to promote this fraud and now I have him between top 5 and top 10!…if you sit down and watch a full game of the lakers …if you just count actual shots and not layup’s and dunks, or foul shots that the refs give him all the time, take off the rebounds the nba gives him that he didn’t deserve, take off the assists he didn’t deserve, take away the blocks that were actual goaltending, take away steals that someone else tapped to him and count how many times he cries to the refs in one single game. I saw a game against the suns where the front offices told Beal and booker to sit out (they played the previous games)..and saw lebron drive the lane, he offensively flopped and flared his hands erroneously as to act like he got fouled and the refs called it…. The suns coaches challenged the calls and won…. Because after further review, they saw that it was a clean swipe and steal but the ball went off of lebron. They should do that to all his foul calls…. It even looked like lebron was chastising the refs , pointing at them and it looked like he was threatening them, but they never T him up! I can’t watch any games with this dude, he’s cheated the game and now every player acts the same way!
well done Angry guy also remember MJ saying he didn't like any of his team mates bitching about "getting beating up", like Horace, he said "don't let them see you hurt..." Fkn LEGEND MJ....you are the greatest and we miss you SIR! your presence was like NO OTHER! since you stepped off the court. Each and everyday since you retired the game is shittier!! and so fkn worse off since you left......
Jordan still likes Oak, I think, he actually signed off on the book's foreword. I think he's no longer part of the inner circle like he was in the early '90s. The league didn't change the rules, the officials just called fouls differently when the physicality got out of hand. But this applied not only to Jordan but to everyone else, and if anything, the ones who benefited from this were the younger stars, who didn't experience the same level of physicality. A lot of people seem to forget how Riley basically exported his Knicks style to Miami when he moved to the Heat. Alonzo Mourning was basically mauling everyone back in the day as well, they kept up that style of play until they didn't have the personnel to carry it out. The tide changed because the media picked up on star players getting hurt, and with the globalization of the NBA it was time to open up the game and make it faster. A lot of people may also forget how European players were called soft because the level of physicality in the NBA was higher and the athletes were bigger and meaner. Only a select few like Petrovic flourished in that period. The league changed the rules not for Jordan per se but for smaller and quicker guards. Revisionists keep on glossing over this.
I just re-watched the 92 Knicks vs Bulls ECSF series.... That team was very tough to beat. Like them better than the Pacers as the toughest series on their Champions runs.
I feel the same about the old heads showing there true colors. And what's the media has been doing with lebron is just a tiny example how media has been controlling the narrative.
The old geezer speaks the truth. There is an ocean of difference between 1980-2020, the age of excellence is long gone- Lebron just happens to be in the crosshairs all the time since he has massive camera time
Yea some pretty tough teams. It was great to watch back then. The Pacers get overlooked a lot but they were a tough big team. Davis boys didn't mess around.
oak may well be insecure, so many big talkers are. but you can't diminish his value on the court to those knick teams. he pounded the boards like a fiend, played solid defense (even when he wasn't flagrant fouling), could pass well, and had a decent mid-range jumper. he was a hero in the garden because he was team-first, he threw his body around like (a somewhat less athletic) dennis rodman. sorry but as a lifelong knicks fan (at 63 years old) i have to go to bat for the oak man. not saying he was anywhere close to perfect, but he was the heart and soul of those 90s knicks.
I used to be a casino table games dealer and manager in NW Indiana. Jordan came to play blackjack fairly often. Charles Oakley would usually be there with him.
5:49 Julius Erving retired in the 1986-87 season. If I recall the 76ers never faced the Pistons in the playoffs during Julius Erving's tenure. And the Pistons did not become Bad Boys until the aftermath of Isiah Thomas calling Larry Bird "just another good guy if he was black" quote.
This is the best! I'm sick and tired of the Lebron era, I hope he's gone soon, there are few players to like nowadays. Kawhi was good but always hurt, Jokic is good but benefits a lot of the poor defensive schemes in todays teams, Giannis is good but Karl Malone was 10 times better.
7:30 To be fair, Lebron's muscles, especially during his best years, were for running in a straight line to the hoop knocking everyone down without getting called.
We are lucky Jordan never got seriously injured besides the foot of course and what ever small injury’s not sure of all them, but he could have had his career ended by some of this shots just by landing wrong
Still waiting on that foot surgery that the media repeatedly told us lebron needed this offseason. Hell on the 1st show of the new Undisputed Michael Irvin kept saying lebron broke his foot last season 😂
Lebron could have hacked it in that era only because he would have been the one being dirty. He wouldn’t drive the lane, he would just be hiding at the top of the key on offense, passing it inside to someone else so they would be the one to get roughed up. Plus if he ever tried to drive the lane he would only do it when the lane was empty and would have been called for traveling anyway.
Monsters like Oakley were feared and for a reason. They owned the paint. But today you can’t breath on someone without a whistle being blown. It cheapens and slow the game down. Teams were TOUGH.
I think if anyone took abuse similar to Michael, it would be a big man where the abuse is less apparent, or possibly Bird who you covered in the last video.
No problem with the Jordan rules...he was that good they couldn't beat him straight up and he endured and that's really a big part of his legacy. No different than hacking Shaq.
Tyson would win that while drinking a coke, and not spill a drop. I think Lebron is he trained from a young age could be a wide out. Not disagreeing but for fairness if Lebron played in that era, he would have grown up playing in that era, and players were harder so the environment may have toughened him up.
The Bulls and the Knicks hated each other almost as much as the Pistons and Bulls hated each other. The Knicks damn near were carbon copies of the Pistons.
People talk about Lebron like he so big. Its dudes in the 80s looking like real growm men. I'm talking jail house, country bred/fed dudes looking like they were 30 when they were 18. Lebron 🤦♂️🤣
Magic Johnson had aids and the 80s was the crack Era. Karl Malone a pedophile. Yall let Barkley undersized self average 10 rebounds. Barkley himself knows he couldn't tie LeBron shoes
@@leftnrighthandofgod1 because barkley is strong lmaoo no we disrespecting players because they can avg more rebounds ?? If it was easy to grab rebounds as a 6 foot 3 player then why didn't everybody do it today other then westbrook and you probably will call him a stat padder
Wait, someone actually said that LeTw@t can beat up Tyson? Two seconds. That’s how long it would take for Tyson to force Lebron into a dress and heels.
Eh, I'm not sure they win sooner. But they thought twice before trying that shit with him there. That's why MJ was pissed they traded him for Bill Cartwright.
Charles Oakley isn't the last "Enforcer". Bucks have one right now who's #1 job is to keep Giannis safe and if somebody does Giannis dirty to make them pay. Thanasty Antekoumpo avg more fouls per/36 than Charles Oakley. Oakley avg 4 PF per/36 over his career and Thanasis avg 5.0 PF per/36 over his 6 year career. In 2022 when Brook Lopez had back surgery Thanasis started at Center 6 times. TA might only be 6'7" but he's 245lbs of fast twitch muscle fibers and is the NBA's greatest 15th man.
True, soccer is a kind of sarcastaball, but to be fair, those guys play with metal-nailed shoes... You can actually leave a leg on the field. But I admit most soccer players are whiney drama queens trying to crook the ref every chance they get. Take a look at Cristiano Ronaldo's career and compare it to what Maradona, Pele or Crujff had to do to dodge the assassins stalking them on the field.
Casuals who don't understand the difference between Dirty & Tough never beat somebody so bad on the court it embarassed them enough they resorted to violence. Playing Dirty, like Flopping, is changing the Game to something else because the player is so mentally weak, scared & insecure that they can't win at the Game of Basketball. So they throw hands ir a tantrum like LeBron when Flopping becomes Charades for the Refs
The fact that the current NBA is like it is, isn’t the current players fault. Genuinely it’s because of this #softera. It was so NOT soft even David Stern knew it had to cool off a bit or his stars would have a shorter career than anyone wanted. It was nasty back then. I didn’t like basketbrawl but I like this marshmallow much less.
the thing about manipulating the game can happen, in Europe we have Serbians who are specialized in trashtalking everyone and whine from time to time... but they fucking deliver: they are killers, they win the game because it's a matter of pride. And we love Serbians: they are the toughest and those who know how to impact the game. Lebron is none of that, he cries over and over and over... and NEVER delivers. In sports we need a "hero" the "best", the one who leads to winning... it's one of the reasons we watch sports! But the guy has to earn respect and be great. Lebron isn't great, he's just a big guy.
How do they see LeFlop’s behavior and claim he’s the GOAT??? He has no self respect to act that way. Just tells you the current state of mind with Americans
I don’t like LeBron and LeBron doesn’t compare to Jordan. I even feel Kobe is better. But he’d dominate the NFL. That fall on the floor crap he does is him following what todays NBA allows. Americans started following the international players after seeing them get away with that.
Bron was doing the crap when he first entered the league. I'm a cavs fan and watched all those games. Every game he would lay on the floor to draw attention to get the fans to think he's hurt and battling through some injury. He's done it his whole career it only got noticed more because he's in LA.
@@thediseaseisthecure lmao the nba has more parity. 70s through 90s was controlled by 4 people bc the rest were fodder. Magic Bill Bird Jordan. What does that say about them other useless players.
If you didnt see the special treatment mj had you weren't watching. You couldnt breathe on him or it was a foul in the 90s. 80s was different. Side note, mj had the best rebounder/defender ever in Rodman, led the league in rebounds like 10 years straight. Best 3 point shooter in kerr, and of course pippen, and a great cast. Absolute super team
Jordan certainly got some superstar calls (as every star does) but teams were still hitting him hard up to 1998. And Steve Kerr was NEVER the major player that kids now think he was. He struggled every playoffs and Finals, routinely lost his shot (hit 18% against the Sonics from three) and was a defensive liability. Rodman was the best reboounder, Pippen was an all time great sidekick. But Pip would also regularly disappear in the playoffs and Rodman averaged 7.7 rebounds in the 1997 Finals. It still came down to Jordan to get it done. Outside of those guys and an inconsistent Kukoc, the roster is hardly high powered: Longley, Harper (great defensive role player with one good knee), Randy Brown, Jud Beuchler, Bill Wennington, Jason Caffey, James Edwards, John Salley, Rusty LaRue, Scott Burrell, Dickey Simpkins, Jack Haley...I'd be surprised if anyone under 40 knows those names haha
@@jumpnam hes a great player, maybe the best other then wilt and russel but still the refs helped him so much. So much that it was almost hard to watch at times. I'm tempted to even say there should an asterisk next to his numbers because of ref interference. They continued it with kobe for a while but now it's not the same superstar treatment as it was for him. Imagine a guy that good and you cant go near him
@@jumpnam that's because his field goal attempts per game dropped off a cliff. You dont need your point guard to score when you have the 2 best players in the league/ever on the team
Isaiah running to all these interviews talking about MJ was crying, he's lucky, I would beat every last one of they ads , 1 by 1 for those fouls. Hard foul is one thing but to try and hurt me is another story. When we played, taking someone out the air is automatic hands thrown. Isaiah needs to shut his lying ads up cause he acts so sissyfied, no wonder why he has 2 guy sons from 2 different mothers.
The Knicks took with the Pistons did and put it on bodybuilding steroids. Literal thug ball. With huge roided out dudes like Anthony Mason, Xavier McDaniel, Charles Oakley and Ewing
Wilt was never pummeled/ slammed to the ground to be stopped. If the offensive player made the slightest touch on the defensive player, that would be an offensive foul. Absolutely 0 physicality in the 1960s.
Yeah man. Jordan would go all out and try to drive and dunk on aggressive defenses that would cheap shot him..Lebron expects everyone to get out of the way and even if they get close to him he pretends like it was worthy of a flagrant foul..mentally tough vs mentally weak.
Jordan was a real man in the purest sense. Not an entitled sissy, not a toxic asshole as LeBron’s cult tries to paint him (he was tough and hard on guys but not abusive), and certainly not a classless clown disrespecting the game. He always knew the game was bigger than him and his behavior backed it up. He didn’t shy from physical play, and if you roughed him up, he’d go all-out to dominate you and prove himself the better man. He’d play through the contact. I grew up watching Jordan and never once heard him whine publicly about the officials or rules.
Well said
Lefraud looks physically tough but is actually aofter than curry. Mugsy bogues is tougher than lefraud.
Dayum...these plumbers were heavy/ripped
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John Starks is much better than LeBron’s rival Jason Terry 🤣🤣🤣
They had lead pipes back in the day, modern guys just laying pex.
MJ had 15 years in the league 13 years full season, 11 years in bulls and the amount of cheap shot he had for that 11 year period is more than someone who played for 20 years. Seriously just shows how dumb the argument is.
I'm not sure where you stand with this comment
@@mobettadenu1325 MJ's the goat.
@@shade0180 agreed.. thanks for making that clear
Im from NYC and those 90s Knicks teams represent everything about the City that's what we liked and we couldn't stop MJ..... I'm not a Knicks fan because of it always told my uncle they would lose and was always proven right..... Good times 😅
how did you feel thru out the 90's having to see Jeff's jersey every where you walked in the hood??? especially in bk
the irony of oakley calling himself the toughest player meanwhile jordan took literal beatings for years without making a scene about it... as you said in the video, oakley reeks of insecurity
Ya know I liked Oakley til’ I read his book. Kinda sad
He yelled at refs often
Jordan took no beatings.
The refs called foul if you looked at him.
@@spirit13the1st6 lmao Jordan averaged 11 fts a game at one point. They just love to lie about this nigga😭😭😭 the information says otherwise
@@spirit13the1st6 you clearly did not see the games back then. so you just sound like another ignorant new schooler. but to be clear, of course mj got the superstar treatment from the refs often, as does every star today. but your first sentence is ignorant as f***.
I did see a short montage of lebum getting taken out hard any time he went to the hoop. In every team he has played for. But I honestly feel like those take outs are not because they can't stop him but because they are just simply sick of his bs, so they give him a hard one to remind him that he can be touched. Doesn't seem to humble him though unfortunately he's very slow at taking the hint. Every player in the league is sick of his shit and those that support him only do it so they won't get black balled from the league. Just my opinion
Exactly. Behind closed doors he's the laughing stock of the league
I thought about this and figured it was too complex an issue to get into within another video. As you said, some people have retaliated against LeBron for his shit. Some people intentionally commit controlled fouls as he bullies his way in. And there are probably some legit hard fouls. But when did people retaliate against Jordan’s cheap shots? And do intentional grabs on the arm compare to hitting someone airborn? Not to mention Jordan is considerably smaller.
I never saw jordan cheap shot anyone. He used skill to undo his opponents which just adds to the list of reasons why lebron doesn't deserve respect. He's not even top 10 in my eyes. Just a spoilt bitch that's ruining what the game used to represent.
When I play I feel like I'm going to war with my team mates, not throwing them under the bus for my mistakes. I'll stop now because I could rant forever at how pathetic he is.
@@AngryOldHoops 100% this. Todays fouls do not compare at all to the Bad Boys and Knicks fouls. I'm so glad you said that, I've been trying to tell people for years that there are no real hard fouls today like there used to be.
@@jumpnam And credit to the late great Kobe, I saw him shrug off a question about a hard foul circa-2005, saying, “In the 80s that wouldn’t even be a flagrant!” This was right around the time the wheels fell off and the league went no-D, no-physicality, and would quickly morph into the present rancid dunk and 3-pointer fest with 140-135 scores every night. It’s NBA Jam with 12 minute quarters now.
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Loving these videos 😂. I like that you keep it real and don't hold back. This is what we need on ESPN and all these other sports "shows" I guess you could call them
Charles Oakley is/was known as a rough and tough dude, however, in most cases he was bullying smaller players.
As far as I can remember, Larry Johnson had no problems going at him, or McDaniel, or Mahorn and many others. Hell even Charles Barkley was ready to slug it out with him. We know he was tough to a certain degree, there's no reason for him to get his ego involved and let it take over.
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I'd like to see LeFlop try to block LT on one play. Next play have LeBitch come across the middle agains Ronnie Lott.
LT??? He couldn't even match up with Hines Ward
@@thediseaseisthecure WAT
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Fixed it, my bad
I was always the shortest (5'8) and lightest guy (usually 140-150) on the court... and quickest. So I was on the receiving end of physical play. Honestly I enjoyed the physical side of the game. I liked a balance between skill, speed and physicality. The game is at its most interesting when those 3 factors are in a delicate balance. I feel like we've almost completely removed the physicality now and it isn't as fun to watch.
theyve removed most of the skill too. its just speed who can shoot 3s fastest
One of the biggest most athletic players in NBA history and instead of using his size+skill he flops all over the coiurt. He whines to the refs constantly because he has no bag, no go to move. Freight train bowling ball his way to the hoop while traveling and shoving defenders and he throws a tantrum when he doesn't get the call. This is the 'modern NBA" full of the most skilled players we've ever seen 🤣🤣🤣
As much as I dislike LBJ and what he has become as a personality on the court, he needed to learn how to flop. Guys his size often don't get the calls they should because he's bigger than the foul committer. I'm not giving him a pass for his antics but can see how he might have started down this pathway. This take applies to players in the all thr way down to AAU basketball. I've seen it for years: big kids don't get calls when they deserve em and are conditioned to flop for attention. It's really sad to see but happens too often.
@@caliagent55Can you imagine Shaq during his playing days flopping all over the court the way LeBum does? Just because he's bigger doesn't give him the excuse to do all that bs
@MrRoda8143 it's not an excuse for LBJ. Flopping is terrible. Period. I was simply pointing out that the number of calls given to players that are larger in stature are less and less often than smaller players. They don't get the same calls with the same frequency. Therefore, one could deduce embellishing on contact and "selling" the call is a strategy to employ so as to obtain more calls, evening out the disparity above.
Again, I am not condoning the behavior! Just pointing out how one could become the king of flop over a 15+ year career. It's actually sad LBJ has become the crybaby we see these recent seasons.
@@caliagent55 I totally see with your point, I'm not disagreeing with you at all. I know a lot of these big guys embellish the calls, as you've said. But yup, with LBJ, it's just ridiculous with the flop acting. What a disgrace
@@caliagent55 dude you are definitely giving LBJ a pass for flopping. Its fine, we get it: you like that kind of NBA.
As a Knicks fan, Jordan used to piss me off since we could not beat his Bulls.
Jordan is the 🐐. No question.
With that said, I absolutely LOVED that Knicks/Bulls rivalry. But that damn Charles Smith man.
Felt like we had The Bulls in ‘93
Anybody watching FIBA and see the Reeves > LeBron sign? That was fun.
The announcers somehow found a way to bring him up, too, despite LBJ not being in the game.
Kids see brons size an that's as far as their reasoning goes.. Lebrons mentality in a physical 90s game would crumble his confidence, crumble his precious box score. The shit talk and intimidation alone would have Bron out of the game before it started.
Im old enough to remember those Bulls Knicks battles in the 90's, and let me tell you, Oakley wasn't even the tough guy enforcer on those Knicks teams, Anthony Mason was. As a Chicago native and Bulls fan, Mason worried me more than Oakley as far as being the tough guy.
mase wasn't there nearly as long as oak, but for sure he was a beast. i always loved his ball handling, a hugely underrated part of his game, he could have been a pg with those handles. i'm glad he got to show more of his skills when he left ny. but seriously, i would not have wanted to mess with either one of those 2. although if i remember correctly, mason at one point had the eyes of a steroid user.
just for laughs: i am old enough to remember the knicks battling the lakers in the early 70s. i saw the famous 1970 game 7 on this new technology that was coming around my neighborhood in manhattan - teleprompter cable tv. :-)
Good on your dad for giving you that lesson. That being said, you were a kid and you grew past it. No reason to be embarrassed still 👍 We all start out as little b's lol
I'm 18 and when I got hurt as a child I tried my absolute hardest to hide the pain now kids just scream there lungs put
New NBA players are soft
I think the Olympics showed us hand checking should be back in the NBA.
I'll guarantee MJ could have been a Pro Bowl receiver in the NFL...At 6'5" with 4.3 speed he could have been a contender, especially with massive and very strong hands...Also, at the same time, Joe Montana took many, many cheap shots, often on concrete, which did shorten his career, unlike Tom "Don't Touch" Brady playing on fields soft as a baby's ass
Brady had his career extended by at least a decade because of the rule changes
@@danieltravis5082 Better training, better surgery, better technology, better spying, etc, seemed to help him a lot...plus all the help from opponents who collapsed during big games, especially Atlanta, and some much-needed defensive help, too...
@@thomasautonomousanonymous2050 you forgot better drugs too. But the rule changes definitely benefitted Brady and other qbs. Couldn't touch him or his receivers
@@MikeBNumba6 Many of the rule changes happened little by little while Montana was still playing but they became stricter and/or better enforced under Brady, who also benefitted by playing his full career with the full suite of rules to protect quarterbacks and other offensive players...
People don’t give enough credit to MJ’s quickness. I find that first step advantage more of a real basketball play than just biking up and rolling over people.
I haven't read his book but yes, pretty every single Charles Oakley interview I see screams, "I'm a deeply insecure bully."
Then you already know what the book will be about
Against the Lakers last year, Trey Murphy got a technical for looking at a defender that couldn't stop him. Same game LeBitch gets a little dunk and does his stare-down, nothing!
I tried giving lebron the benefit of the doubt but after coming across AOH’s videos, I realized that the NBA has been protecting this sad excuse of a man, the refs let him travel, carry, push off and flop all the time…it’s sad to know that he can just drive in the paint and know that he can get the foul calls in his favor, then he flexes and stares to the crowd like if he did something spectacular… he mean mugs his opponents but when they do that to him, they get technical fouls called on them. AOH has opened my eyes to what the nba has been doing to promote this fraud and now I have him between top 5 and top 10!…if you sit down and watch a full game of the lakers …if you just count actual shots and not layup’s and dunks, or foul shots that the refs give him all the time, take off the rebounds the nba gives him that he didn’t deserve, take off the assists he didn’t deserve, take away the blocks that were actual goaltending, take away steals that someone else tapped to him and count how many times he cries to the refs in one single game. I saw a game against the suns where the front offices told Beal and booker to sit out (they played the previous games)..and saw lebron drive the lane, he offensively flopped and flared his hands erroneously as to act like he got fouled and the refs called it…. The suns coaches challenged the calls and won…. Because after further review, they saw that it was a clean swipe and steal but the ball went off of lebron. They should do that to all his foul calls…. It even looked like lebron was chastising the refs , pointing at them and it looked like he was threatening them, but they never T him up! I can’t watch any games with this dude, he’s cheated the game and now every player acts the same way!
well done Angry guy also remember MJ saying he didn't like any of his team mates bitching about "getting beating up", like Horace, he said "don't let them see you hurt..." Fkn LEGEND MJ....you are the greatest and we miss you SIR! your presence was like NO OTHER! since you stepped off the court. Each and everyday since you retired the game is shittier!! and so fkn worse off since you left......
Jesus Christ, this is awesome.
Free flowing hostility?
love this episode AOH!!!!! you rule dude!!!!
Jordan still likes Oak, I think, he actually signed off on the book's foreword. I think he's no longer part of the inner circle like he was in the early '90s. The league didn't change the rules, the officials just called fouls differently when the physicality got out of hand. But this applied not only to Jordan but to everyone else, and if anything, the ones who benefited from this were the younger stars, who didn't experience the same level of physicality. A lot of people seem to forget how Riley basically exported his Knicks style to Miami when he moved to the Heat. Alonzo Mourning was basically mauling everyone back in the day as well, they kept up that style of play until they didn't have the personnel to carry it out. The tide changed because the media picked up on star players getting hurt, and with the globalization of the NBA it was time to open up the game and make it faster. A lot of people may also forget how European players were called soft because the level of physicality in the NBA was higher and the athletes were bigger and meaner. Only a select few like Petrovic flourished in that period. The league changed the rules not for Jordan per se but for smaller and quicker guards. Revisionists keep on glossing over this.
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I just re-watched the 92 Knicks vs Bulls ECSF series.... That team was very tough to beat. Like them better than the Pacers as the toughest series on their Champions runs.
Jordan played men, these days it's a bunch of man-childs. Feminized men nowadays.
Rodman was pretty fem but he'd still f all these dudes up today lmao
I feel the same about the old heads showing there true colors. And what's the media has been doing with lebron is just a tiny example how media has been controlling the narrative.
The weird thing is that from memory, most sports networks were full of oldheads. What happened to them?
The old geezer speaks the truth. There is an ocean of difference between 1980-2020, the age of excellence is long gone- Lebron just happens to be in the crosshairs all the time since he has massive camera time
Pistons, Knicks and Pacers
Yea some pretty tough teams. It was great to watch back then. The Pacers get overlooked a lot but they were a tough big team. Davis boys didn't mess around.
oak may well be insecure, so many big talkers are. but you can't diminish his value on the court to those knick teams. he pounded the boards like a fiend, played solid defense (even when he wasn't flagrant fouling), could pass well, and had a decent mid-range jumper. he was a hero in the garden because he was team-first, he threw his body around like (a somewhat less athletic) dennis rodman. sorry but as a lifelong knicks fan (at 63 years old) i have to go to bat for the oak man. not saying he was anywhere close to perfect, but he was the heart and soul of those 90s knicks.
Bro Big facts! Stay on brony's helmet!
Ayoooo pause 😂😂
I used to be a casino table games dealer and manager in NW Indiana. Jordan came to play blackjack fairly often. Charles Oakley would usually be there with him.
I loved when guys would bash each other and i loved the pistons lol
5:49 Julius Erving retired in the 1986-87 season. If I recall the 76ers never faced the Pistons in the playoffs during Julius Erving's tenure. And the Pistons did not become Bad Boys until the aftermath of Isiah Thomas calling Larry Bird "just another good guy if he was black" quote.
Love the beginning of this video
I'd like to see LeDrama go up against Maurice Lucas....
This is the best! I'm sick and tired of the Lebron era, I hope he's gone soon, there are few players to like nowadays. Kawhi was good but always hurt, Jokic is good but benefits a lot of the poor defensive schemes in todays teams, Giannis is good but Karl Malone was 10 times better.
Biggest problem Lebron would have in that area is staying with 1 team when players don't like playing with him.
players now are more concerned about selling shoes and pre-game fashion than actually getting better at the game.
Aoh dad should talk to lbj about his antics 😂
I agree 1000%
7:30 To be fair, Lebron's muscles, especially during his best years, were for running in a straight line to the hoop knocking everyone down without getting called.
Larry Johnson was no push over he gave the bulls all the smoke
What's the music in beginning?
We are lucky Jordan never got seriously injured besides the foot of course and what ever small injury’s not sure of all them, but he could have had his career ended by some of this shots just by landing wrong
Lebronze would easily be the toughest guy during that era cause he heels faster then wolverine
Lol
Still waiting on that foot surgery that the media repeatedly told us lebron needed this offseason. Hell on the 1st show of the new Undisputed Michael Irvin kept saying lebron broke his foot last season 😂
Goddamn, I love your content so much, expose those weak ass mofos with zero sympathy!
Lebron could have hacked it in that era only because he would have been the one being dirty. He wouldn’t drive the lane, he would just be hiding at the top of the key on offense, passing it inside to someone else so they would be the one to get roughed up. Plus if he ever tried to drive the lane he would only do it when the lane was empty and would have been called for traveling anyway.
Monsters like Oakley were feared and for a reason. They owned the paint. But today you can’t breath on someone without a whistle being blown. It cheapens and slow the game down. Teams were TOUGH.
I literally watched a 7 minute lebron james flopping compilation the other day 😅
This video was hilarious.😂
great channel & video
do you think leoverrated is top 10?
Too true!!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hatch every team got a few when they come in you know its 6 extremely hard fouls coming
pink floyd, hell yeah
I think if anyone took abuse similar to Michael, it would be a big man where the abuse is less apparent, or possibly Bird who you covered in the last video.
No problem with the Jordan rules...he was that good they couldn't beat him straight up and he endured and that's really a big part of his legacy. No different than hacking Shaq.
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When we play cricket if we get hit by the ball when batting you DO NOT let the asshole know he hurt you.
Tyson would win that while drinking a coke, and not spill a drop. I think Lebron is he trained from a young age could be a wide out.
Not disagreeing but for fairness if Lebron played in that era, he would have grown up playing in that era, and players were harder so the environment may have toughened him up.
The Bulls and the Knicks hated each other almost as much as the Pistons and Bulls hated each other. The Knicks damn near were carbon copies of the Pistons.
People talk about Lebron like he so big. Its dudes in the 80s looking like real growm men. I'm talking jail house, country bred/fed dudes looking like they were 30 when they were 18. Lebron 🤦♂️🤣
Magic Johnson had aids and the 80s was the crack Era. Karl Malone a pedophile. Yall let Barkley undersized self average 10 rebounds. Barkley himself knows he couldn't tie LeBron shoes
@@leftnrighthandofgod1 because barkley is strong lmaoo no we disrespecting players because they can avg more rebounds ?? If it was easy to grab rebounds as a 6 foot 3 player then why didn't everybody do it today other then westbrook and you probably will call him a stat padder
Wait, someone actually said that LeTw@t can beat up Tyson? Two seconds. That’s how long it would take for Tyson to force Lebron into a dress and heels.
If Oakley is still with Chicago, does he protect MJ from Detroit and do they get past them sooner 🤔
Eh, I'm not sure they win sooner. But they thought twice before trying that shit with him there. That's why MJ was pissed they traded him for Bill Cartwright.
I stop watching basketball since Kobe Bryant pass away. The game was changing anyway
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You could have stopped at the word "Dads"
Charles Oakley isn't the last "Enforcer". Bucks have one right now who's #1 job is to keep Giannis safe and if somebody does Giannis dirty to make them pay. Thanasty Antekoumpo avg more fouls per/36 than Charles Oakley. Oakley avg 4 PF per/36 over his career and Thanasis avg 5.0 PF per/36 over his 6 year career. In 2022 when Brook Lopez had back surgery Thanasis started at Center 6 times. TA might only be 6'7" but he's 245lbs of fast twitch muscle fibers and is the NBA's greatest 15th man.
It’s easy to forget that MJ had a ton of hate from fellow NBA players back in the day.
That was my team. They were though but not dirty like Pistons.
they didnt change the rules for jordan, they changed them for lebron. remember when we used to have traveling and offensive fouls?
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And the Pistons were simply dirty.
Brock Lesnar tried NFL and found out quickly he cant cut it….
When LeBron throws those elbows, people should be fighting back, not backing off.
Lebron rules: “If he comes into the lane, get out of the way, he’s gonna put himself on his ass!”
Lebron would CRUMBLE in the 90s. He would mentally break down and have a nervous breakdown.
LeBron should be in the ice capades
True, soccer is a kind of sarcastaball, but to be fair, those guys play with metal-nailed shoes... You can actually leave a leg on the field. But I admit most soccer players are whiney drama queens trying to crook the ref every chance they get. Take a look at Cristiano Ronaldo's career and compare it to what Maradona, Pele or Crujff had to do to dodge the assassins stalking them on the field.
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Casuals who don't understand the difference between Dirty & Tough never beat somebody so bad on the court it embarassed them enough they resorted to violence. Playing Dirty, like Flopping, is changing the Game to something else because the player is so mentally weak, scared & insecure that they can't win at the Game of Basketball. So they throw hands ir a tantrum like LeBron when Flopping becomes Charades for the Refs
The fact that the current NBA is like it is, isn’t the current players fault. Genuinely it’s because of this #softera. It was so NOT soft even David Stern knew it had to cool off a bit or his stars would have a shorter career than anyone wanted. It was nasty back then. I didn’t like basketbrawl but I like this marshmallow much less.
the thing about manipulating the game can happen, in Europe we have Serbians who are specialized in trashtalking everyone and whine from time to time... but they fucking deliver: they are killers, they win the game because it's a matter of pride. And we love Serbians: they are the toughest and those who know how to impact the game.
Lebron is none of that, he cries over and over and over... and NEVER delivers. In sports we need a "hero" the "best", the one who leads to winning... it's one of the reasons we watch sports! But the guy has to earn respect and be great. Lebron isn't great, he's just a big guy.
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Wig and sunglasses?
6:58 What you said is what KG and other athletes were saying about LBJ 😅 💊💉
Reason why Lebron can’t dominate in 90s is because he can’t shoot consistent free throws, he cant stand hack a Shaq style game.
How do they see LeFlop’s behavior and claim he’s the GOAT??? He has no self respect to act that way. Just tells you the current state of mind with Americans
I don’t like LeBron and LeBron doesn’t compare to Jordan. I even feel Kobe is better. But he’d dominate the NFL. That fall on the floor crap he does is him following what todays NBA allows. Americans started following the international players after seeing them get away with that.
Nah. He's soft. Those NFL dbs would eat him alive
He can't even dominate the NBA
Bron was doing the crap when he first entered the league.
I'm a cavs fan and watched all those games. Every game he would lay on the floor to draw attention to get the fans to think he's hurt and battling through some injury.
He's done it his whole career it only got noticed more because he's in LA.
@@thediseaseisthecure lmao the nba has more parity. 70s through 90s was controlled by 4 people bc the rest were fodder. Magic Bill Bird Jordan. What does that say about them other useless players.
oh PLEASE... jeff never had to "get thru" the knicks LMAO... he was already bull dozing them in the late 80's... 88 if i'm correct
If you didnt see the special treatment mj had you weren't watching. You couldnt breathe on him or it was a foul in the 90s. 80s was different.
Side note, mj had the best rebounder/defender ever in Rodman, led the league in rebounds like 10 years straight. Best 3 point shooter in kerr, and of course pippen, and a great cast. Absolute super team
Jordan certainly got some superstar calls (as every star does) but teams were still hitting him hard up to 1998. And Steve Kerr was NEVER the major player that kids now think he was. He struggled every playoffs and Finals, routinely lost his shot (hit 18% against the Sonics from three) and was a defensive liability. Rodman was the best reboounder, Pippen was an all time great sidekick. But Pip would also regularly disappear in the playoffs and Rodman averaged 7.7 rebounds in the 1997 Finals. It still came down to Jordan to get it done.
Outside of those guys and an inconsistent Kukoc, the roster is hardly high powered: Longley, Harper (great defensive role player with one good knee), Randy Brown, Jud Beuchler, Bill Wennington, Jason Caffey, James Edwards, John Salley, Rusty LaRue, Scott Burrell, Dickey Simpkins, Jack Haley...I'd be surprised if anyone under 40 knows those names haha
@@jumpnam didn't Ron harper average 25 before
@@jumpnam hes a great player, maybe the best other then wilt and russel but still the refs helped him so much. So much that it was almost hard to watch at times. I'm tempted to even say there should an asterisk next to his numbers because of ref interference. They continued it with kobe for a while but now it's not the same superstar treatment as it was for him. Imagine a guy that good and you cant go near him
@@leftnrighthandofgod1 with the Clippers yeah. Was never a consistent scorer with the Bulls, so turned into a defensive specialist
@@jumpnam that's because his field goal attempts per game dropped off a cliff. You dont need your point guard to score when you have the 2 best players in the league/ever on the team
Isaiah running to all these interviews talking about MJ was crying, he's lucky, I would beat every last one of they ads , 1 by 1 for those fouls. Hard foul is one thing but to try and hurt me is another story. When we played, taking someone out the air is automatic hands thrown. Isaiah needs to shut his lying ads up cause he acts so sissyfied, no wonder why he has 2 guy sons from 2 different mothers.
You've accomplished nothing compared to IT.
The Knicks took with the Pistons did and put it on bodybuilding steroids. Literal thug ball. With huge roided out dudes like Anthony Mason, Xavier McDaniel, Charles Oakley and Ewing
"how did he survive???" steroids/testosterone and HGH.... Your Welcome
PABs 😂😂😂
wilt chamberlain called jordan soft, all old dudes say the same thing about new players to cope with being finished
Wilt was never pummeled/ slammed to the ground to be stopped. If the offensive player made the slightest touch on the defensive player, that would be an offensive foul. Absolutely 0 physicality in the 1960s.
@@rebirthofanaverage2kmobplay he claims the 80s and 90s were soft because if a player attempted a fancy dunk like Jordan did they would knock him out
The new league is soft and I'm young