Sorry Just Flight , but you knew FSLTL was freeware and you still want to charge $ 40.00 for a slightly better product. I don't think to many people are going to make the change. Drop the price by half and maybe it would be worth the frame rate gain I suppose.
They wont, its just greed nowadays. Im probably going to have to get it for reasons in Australia that ive mentioned above but its like $60 here, thats the price of 2 decent payware airports, its just pure greed now and the big developers are cashing in.
Great video comparing the two packages. Thank you. For me I'll probably stick with FSLTL for right now (meets my needs at the moment). I'll give FSTraffic as harder look if/when it goes on sale. The FSTraffic price tag is a little steep considering there is a viable alternative with FSLTL.
I've seen bigger differences especially in larger airports like EGLL and EDDF. With FSTL or AIG, it was impossible for me to get good frames with 100% traffic. With FS Traffic, it is possible. That alone is worth the price.
Hi, I'm not sure that displaying a launch of the new FS Traffic to show video footage with Nose wheels hovering the taxi ways & runways or the opposite, imbedded into the tarmac displaying jolts rather than smooth movement across the surface as though the aircraft is trying to tug its way out from the surface?. Also noticed static objects being flashed on to the image whilst showing a scan of Manchester Airport. Is the issue the FS Traffic or the simulator for both examples?
Not sure there is enough there to justify the price when compared with freeware FSLTL. Also no mention in the video of the A380 wheels being below the runway and all planes bouncing up and down like on a bumpy road when moving. That would annoy the hell out of me. Maybe one for the future if it ever goes on for decent sale price.
Have you checked if the stacked up AI planes at the original airport (going back to an airport) happens with FS traffic also? It happens with AIG, FSLTL and Sim’s own AI
Gavin one other thing. I still have AIG not loaded but there to help FSLTL with missing liveries I think it does that. If get FST do you think I can uninstall AIG s as it takes up heaps of space. I don’t ever run AIG anymore it’s just there.
It's not worth throwing money at a program that does the same things as aig or fsltl. It could be useful if fs traffic could undo the bugs of asobo traffic or if it was based on their bug-free injection system but unfortunately it is not so
bought it yesterday, got sick of AIV crashing and the install process. Only thing i will say, sounds seem to be a little too loud. Other than that, love it.
I’ve bought yesterday FS traffic and I did a lot of traffic creations in my home base(Barcelona) and it works perfectly. With FSLTL was always nice at the beginning but FPS worst performance once installed and flying specially in payware airport and I don’t have a bad computer. With FS I can put full traffic and heavy schedules and still having great performance and its manual you can understand it very well. Also I’ve been waiting for FS since they said they’d created and JUSTFLIGHT it is the place I get used to buy FS addons.
@@gadDenmark Nope, I got it working once now it wont spawn any traffic at any airport. Im also getting hangs on exit to main menu and restart. Its garbage, dont buy it.
@@TeamSethRules maybe you should follow the tutorial and reading the manual is never bad thing. You should know you need wait 10-15 min to traffic spawn in FS depending on how much airport vehicles are. It’s your opinion but I’m tired of FSLTL that gives me crash of desktop or bad performance which medium graphics(when I could put it to extreme graphics) but also, FSLTL traffic was the guilty to hit the performance with A320.
@@gadDenmark for me it is. But is your money and your time. You can do much things with FS and it doesn’t take 13gb of storage in the community folder specially for low computers in hard drive
For now, I stick to FSLTL and for the money, I'd think FS Traffic has to improve (real live traffic option and more liveries) before I'll even consider buying it.
If they added GA and Biz jets I will get it, Or give it a few months to mature add more scheme etc. Be good if they get data from fr24 or something to create flights for Biz jets and GA.
Having some issues with FS Traffic, I even get better frames on Vatsim with the FSLTL VMR. And there is an annoying issue with FS traffic and a Simobjects limitations, in the same scenario at KLAX the FS Traffic doesn't show up, while it does with FSLTL. (even when disabling ground objects in the control center).
@@donaldjones9496 No it isn't the issue, the Simobjects limit seems to be the culprit. I deleted the jetways in the control center and it worked. But during my tests when I remove the traffic, sometimes it doesn't come back until I restart the sim.
Why can't addons use physics? I don't get this part. This game MUST HAVE FILLED with physics, mathmatics and other science to be realistic. MSFS needs physics. It's a no-brainer, it's a must have. Then what's the problem? Not to mention, videogames back in 2005, come on, almost 20 years ago (!!!) already used physics (Havok)! THEN??? And even Microsoft can't manage after 2 bold years that ground handling staff don't walk through the wings or the aircrafts' body??? o.O What does it mean? And we talk about realism here? Can maybe Asobo grow up in 2023? Please! I'm begging!
When you create a flight in FS traffic you are required to enter origin and destination, so you are only generating planes within those two airports. When you inject traffic in FSLTL you generate planes within the radius in Km you specify, so I'm sure for this video FSLTL is actually generating not only the planes we see in this airport, but also in other airports nearby and in the air. And yet, the FPS hit is very similar between the two.
Just to clarify, the FSLTL settings were set to 5km radius, to ensure only the airfield in view was populated. FS Traffic also injects en-route traffic too by default, as evidenced by the contrails.
The flight characteristics of the FSLTL is terrible. I do not expect much for AI traffic, but when traffic land too far into the runway and then cannot stop in time, then there is an issue! In my case, the aircraft made a turn that would put an F1 race driver to shame, cutting the grass on the way in and only stopping inside one of the cargo buildings! I have also found that the aircraft uses full power taxi from the holding point onto the runway. Sounds very funny hearing those engines roar just to taxi into position. My last issue is not related to FSLTL... The AI system in MSFS is completely screwed! With real weather enabled, the active runway is 19. ATIS confirms that landing and departing is on Runway 19. The windsocks show a wind of 190-200 degrees at 20 kts. There is one aircraft on approach (24 miles) to Runway 19. AI aircraft requests taxi. Now here comes the funny part! Taxi is given to Runway 01!!! WTF??? Ok, maybe it is a glitch so let's see what happens. Aircraft takes off and the approaching aircraft lands. Second departing aircraft requests taxi... AGAIN, taxi is given to Runway 01! AITIS still says that Runway 19 is active. I have no explanation...
Solid video once again, thx ! In all honesty, I have become much more demanding with payware folks - they need to up their game with true & unique features / improvements to grab me. Although I do see some perf increase with FSTraffic, they seem to be marginal, at best. I'll be sticking with FSLTL, it serves me well and runs nicely on my system. The models, effects, animations and sounds have kept me smiling. Most of all, I do very much appreciate the near "real time" traffic it offers. Had FSTraffic managed to also rework the sim air / ground traffic routine, I would have jumped in instantly. Maybe I am too greedy.
What's with the taxying jets "bouncing" up and down as they are moving? Never noticed that with FSLTL, assume this is specific to FST? Nice review by the way.
As long as Asobo doesn't improve it's traffic engine, i see no need to buy a traffic addon that suffers from the same core limitations as FSLTL and AIG do.
Is it just me but every video I’ve watched the plane being followed stutters with its height badly. The A380 for example wasn’t smooth at all on take off. Keep seeing this, is it an actual problem? $60 AUD is allot of money. FSLTL is problematic for people like me who are based in Australia and like to fly overseas locations because the live traffic is based at middle of night depending on time. Lots of FedEx planes. Was hoping this is better but expensive.
I’m also from Australia and have the same issue with FSLTL. Agree with your observations about that EK 380 on takeoff, it really kills any extra immersion that may be provided by aircraft with slightly more detailed models and textures. I would like to see more clips of aircraft operating before buying. Also, are the aircraft controlled in flight by Just Traffic, meaning their behaviour can be tweaked by Just Flight and are not reliant on the Asobo AI system? Since I’ve noticed with FSLTL that a lot of aircraft have really strange takeoffs, where they seem to fly along the runway at low altitude before climbing. From the takeoff clip shown here that does not seem to be an issue?
@@aeroplaneman747 I’d suggest that the strange behaviors of planes on take off is still an asobo issue. I don’t get too fussed about that to be honest as long as there is accurate traffic around. I just worry about planes that stutter and seem to float above the ground! I have a mid spec computer and can struggle with FSLTL at payware airports and on approach for landing so interested in seeing comments how this is with FST. I’m interested it’s just a bit of money down here and needs to be a much better alternative than what is a pretty good freeware version.
Great video and explanation, I’m very disappointed of the product. Definitely not worth $39.99. I like the details on the aircrafts and sounds a little bit but the aircraft’s placements are completely off; JFK being my home airport on pretty much every flight; FSTL does a better job. T5 is known for being Jetblue’s terminal and FS Traffic has some other airlines at this terminal, something FSTL does a lot more accurate. Hopefully some updates will come and get all that fixed, in the meantime I keep enjoying FSTL. Thanks for the video!!
FSLTL (default settings) literally halves the framerate at 4K HDR Full Ultra TAA at say KLAX for me even on an OC'd 13900K and 4090. I've bought FS Traffic in the hope that it is more efficient but haven't tried it yet. Remember, my tests are at 4K HDR Full Ultra TAA, with Frame Generation making it still usable, not 1440p, 1080p or using DLSS upscaling so results may vary. I'm hoping that FSLTL is only so bad because of the true real time element which is not critical to me (I can only get 76Mbps download speed where I live, even if the relevant servers could provide it).
Will definitely consider buying it. The bonuses for me are the traffic lining up for the runway won’t be unrealistically congested and the more realistic sounds and models.
Great comparison video excellant. As I have now started on VATSIM I don't think I would use most of FS Traffic features. I agree the models are amazing but they a very good in FSLTL too. FSLTL and AIG VMR files give all the model match you could want for vatsim and they are free. Also FS Traffic still uses ASBO AI traffic default behaviour which comes with all the usual faults. that said, I can't justify £27 for a little more than what I already have albeit more detailed models. I think If I mainly used for offline flying then I would be tempted. But for me I'm sticking with fsltl for now, who also upgrade models regular. Thanks for putting this video together brilliant as always. 👍
all external trafic including FSTL, AIG, Fs Traffic use the asobo engine and all have the same problems, the only thing you get with FS Traffic is some better models performances and all the database stuff.
Is there any way or a program available to model aircraft flying around that you don’t have downloaded? Like fighter jets and helicopters etc. that way I don’t see a 172 zooming pass me at the speed of light. Lol
With regard to FSLTL frame rates, I just boosted the rolling cache to 32GB & turned the 'off-screen terrain caching' to ultra - even at CPU heavy airports like JFK, Heathrow, Gatwick & Charles de Gaulle I boosted frame rates by roughly 50%...& my system is now most definitely considered mid-range. I can't wait to see what the next sim update does to the AI traffic - from the MSFS Beta forums they worked some magic there it seems. Hopefully Atlanta gets some love as AI traffic never worked there...for me at least...
Hi - adjust in the MSFS General Options menu - for cache it's in the 'data' section & for off-screen terrain caching it's in the 'graphics' section. Note that since my comment was posted, subsequent performance has downgraded in the sim for me with stutters & pauses (sometimes up to 10 or more seconds)@@andylopez2291
the flight plan manager schedules do not match the traffic shown at all.. its just random airliners departing and arriving..whats the purpose of the schedules then? weird
When I see a price tag of around $50 in Australia for this. Vs a great freeware FSLTL.. Let's all just appreciate the hard work that goes into these great freeware products like FSLTL, FBW etc.. Remember there are companies just bunch of greedy pricks trying to cash in on the popularity of FS2020..
So, the others that make these products didn’t have hard work? You don’t think they deserve to get paid for their hard work? As a developer you might have no idea how much time is involved with software.
@@ReefAndReptileAutomation so picking out words to justify your stupid response.. I merely pointing out the hard work that developers put into a free product. I'm not saying payware developers don't. But if you want to go down that road how about some of the shit payware products that have no effort into them. Just to make a quick buck. What do you know about my knowledge in software development and coding. Just another Troll on his high horse..
FSLTL is free, and open source. With good backing, an open source project will constantly improve and grow (like the FBW A320). I've seen nothing to suggest that FSLTL can't do this, and indeed they've released several very solid updates so far. It's also hands free, whereas FSTraffic requires us to tell them what airport we want traffic at - sort of removes the immersion when in VR. I sometimes just like to divert and turn up somewhere. Others say frame rates suffer with FSLTL. I suspect there is a slight hit, but in my experience it's not noticeable. Pluses and minuses for both, but being free, FSLTL is a no-brainer really. It's already solid, and I can't wait to see what else they'll do to enhance it.
I don't use vatsim.Models are some better and some not so good in both.I wouldn't really use the other features tha FS Traffic has,well not at this point anyway.I have no problem starting FSTL after I have set up at my airport.Free compared to around $60 Australian,the free wins out easily for me.Maybe if they have like a half price sale down the track I may think about it.Cheers for the video.Very nice!!
Hello Gavin. I try to add the VRM file of Fsttaffic as a customer ruleset in vpilot but nothing happens. Vpilot gives error loading the planes in and says it will try to recreate the model. Any suggestions what I might be doing wrong? Thanks
Hey! Does anyone know how to change the quantity of traffic at the arrival airport on fs traffic? I know we can change it for the departure with the "time before departure" value but didn't find any setting to inject more or less traffic at the arrival airport... Thx for those who will take the time to answer!
Hello friend, i've heard that it possible to set textures in fsltl in 2K, how to do that ? Apprently, the textures files decrease from 40go to 9 go ! do you know how to set that ?
If I was doing more offline flying I would grab it. It looks like a really nice product, but as I fly mainly online I only really need the vmr file and at them moment FSLTL meets my needs nicely in that regard. Interesting to see where it goes
For me, I think I'll stick with FSLTL for now, but wait a bit to see what changes are made to FS and maybe if there was a promo then I could justify. I do have the odd FPS drop with FSLTL so will be interesting with FS. I've even got a Medium to High Spec machine.
I will use both for model matching in vatsim along with select installed planes/liveries as available. Also, when not using online ATC, I will use one or the other depending on the use-case scenario be it Flight Radar 24's real-time traffic advantage or FS Traffic's historic schedule databases advantage. When loafing around in a hot air balloon, bush flying in northern Ontario, or soaring in the Alps, I probably won't use either. In other words, I will enjoy the versatility that both have to offer, individually and together.
FSLTL also injects GA and VFR traffic which doesn't appear to be the case for FS Traffic since it is based on airline schedules. I wonder if anyone has tried combined traffic injection by setting IFR in FSLTL to 0 to get only the VFR from FSLTL while getting the airliners from FS Traffic.
I'll only buy an AI traffic addon if it matches or even exceeds the likes of World Traffic 3 for X plane, since that addon can make you park your aircraft somewhere and just enjoy plane spotting from your favorite airport with the amount of detail given to its animations. But since this addon is limited by the sim itself, nah.
Whats with all the bouncing up and down?..put's me in mind of the Posky 747 in FSX 😛I find FSLTL to be fine for now, but I shall keep a close eye on Justflight's version, and may get it in the future
That's down to Asobos idiotic single contact point for Ai instead of multiple contact points. The single point nonsense causes the idiotic jumping we see.
Wow, what a great in depth video! I wonder if this solution to combine both tools also works outside vatsim? I didn't get that. Plus, what impact does it have to run BOTH simultaneously, I wonder?
FS Traffic is a mess. The Injector is not working properly it clears Aircraft but when I push inject again nothing happens. Always have to restart simulator. In Air there are almost no planes, and at some airports when landing there are only a handfull airplanes at the gate. At night the planes in cruise are not having lights. And a lot of go around. It doesnt comunicate with atc in cruise FSLTL does. So dont buy it FSLTL is much more better! If you ask the support all they say is msfs limitation problem, msfs limitation problem. Just Bull***
Cruise planes in FS Traffic does not communicate with ATC.. so flying silent over Europe isn"t that fun. I wonder why they could not fix that. Both AIG AND FSTL have this function. I quess i will stick with FSTL for now.....
So far, Installing this into My fight simulator, It's rather difficult and confusing to install., Twice I installedit and Twice, all the planes were doubled together and I uninstalled it and re-downloaded the whole product files starting on a clean slate., Does FS traffic Start automatically when My Flightsim starts ??
Problem with FSLTL, atleast for me , is that too many flights are removed by MS (not by FSLTL) with no explanation. Too many times, arriving at an airport one finds a companion flight just go nixed! Problem with FSTraffic, for me is that it is not based on real time traffic. I am not willing to spend $40 for doubtful improvement. Thanks but no thanks.
No matter what I do after following the instructions to add destination ICAO code and confirm, I am only getting traffic at my departure airport and even then it is only departing aircraft. It is a shame as it does run smoothly. Just flown LHR-LGW-loads of aircraft at LHR. Spotted for 15mins then flew to LGW-no aircraft. Did the reverse flight and exactly the same result. Very disappointing.
Interesting, the comparison was mainly with FSLTL for obvious reasons and you could have been forgiven for thinking you were comparing two pieces of payware just based on approaches to the product and features alone. Basically they are pretty much neck and neck when looking at the products and comparing pros and cons. Except for the huge elephant in the room, ones free.....of course you made no bones about that, and the other being rather expensive. I'm absolutely of the opinion that people should be paid for their work, even if they choose not to charge for it, but FSLTL will not directly accept money at all, however if you go to their website they have links of charities they support that do take donations instead. So if you don't want to give JF $50 and you use FSLTL, maybe a token gesture of goodwill of $1, $5 $10 or $20 to one of the charities is something you can do to say thanks and show appreciation. I have nothing against JF at all and have a number of their products, but I just feel FSLTL are invested for reasons more or of us can relate to.
Although FSLTL exclusive content of Live Traffic is quite attractive, the awful performance generated later on made me uninstalled many times. FSTraffic handles traffic much better, performance is great and this is just the beginning. Also, with FS Traffic the AI Traffic flies at decent speeds, not like FSLTL where they fly too slow.
Got FS traffic. PROS vs FSLTL more accurate detailed models, flight plans leave you to fly in every area of the world at any local time. CONS: FSLTL still has the best AI sound ever created, I have a hi end audio system and takeoff FSLTL sound is amazing. FSLTL plenty of livery and cargos, any freight for FS
As long as the traffic system of MSFS is still buggy I stick with AIG and FSLTL together with PSXT and RealTraffic. No go arounds at all except when it happens in real life. Nice flaring when landing even crabbing when there’s crosswind. The correct parking spots at any airport no AFCAD problems. The reason of buying FS Traffic is pure for the models and liveries to get more immersive at the airports. PSXT gives priority over each models and liveries by having a registration number database which is updated a lot for FREE. Model matching at VATSIM is in my opinion a lot better with FSLTL because of the virtual airline liveries. The big advantage though is that the models in FSTraffic are native MSFS models so no conversion there.
The low flying aircraft issue doesn't have anything to do with JustFlight, its an issue with Asobo traffic. Even FSLTL and AIG aircraft depart, climb for a bit, then descend, and then climb again. Until Asobo fix the AI system, it doesn't matter what third party developers do, it will have this issue.
I found out why some people find the sounds from FST better than FSLTL. They are so soft at full thrust that because of the 100% taxi thrust bug introduced with SU11, they sound quite OK on taxi, and they rev up and down. FSLTL have a work around for that bug, setting the sounds at a steady low rate at taxi, so no revving. And that way FST sounds better at taxi. When the bug is fixed, FSLTL sounds also will rev, and have a good roar at takeoff and rumble at a large distance, like intended. FST sounds will then be hardly heard while taxiing. Also FST uses the old tech FSX sounds, no startup and shutdown sounds are available. Nice detailed models though.
Thank you for the review , Since the last update of FSLTL, My PC keeps crashing , But if i try flying without the addon , Its a normal flight at 30 fps reducing to 25 FPS when getting close to a airport. I was a big supporter of Ultimate Traffic Live , Very much the same has the FSTraffic, But what i am unsure off is while at high altitude , Do you get to see the other aircraft just like flying to the middle east and you get to see many other planes , So do you get that feature on FSTaffic. One thing that is a miss is the ability to right click and see aircraft traffic thats close by However FSLTL covers this by using the development mode and objects , But not has good as before on Microsoft Flight Simulator , Would like to hear your thoughts
When I disabled the FSTraffic it still populated the Airport with white generic aircraft when on Vatsim? Was at EGCC and watching this video (17:48) when you disabled FST you airport was completely empty until you connected to Vatsim. Any ideas why I would have generic white planes?
I use FSLTL with light settings. AI behaviour in sims has always been a problem together with ATC so with just a minimum set of traffic just to have an not empty airport is enough for me. Good to see some good competition on this front though. More options for everyone and hopefully it pressures Asobo a little more for their ATC solutions.
Is it possible to run both FS Traffic and FSLTL but deleting unnecessary models from FSTL folder and keeping the Cargo and other missing aircraft? I mainly fly on vatsim so I'm only in need of models and VMR
Why are all my AI Aircraft invisible? I see jet bridges moving but no aircraft. If you have experienced this and have a fix please share solution. Thank you
Sorry Just Flight , but you knew FSLTL was freeware and you still want to charge $ 40.00 for a slightly better product. I don't think to many people are going to make the change. Drop the price by half and maybe it would be worth the frame rate gain I suppose.
They wont, its just greed nowadays. Im probably going to have to get it for reasons in Australia that ive mentioned above but its like $60 here, thats the price of 2 decent payware airports, its just pure greed now and the big developers are cashing in.
$40 try over 50 dollars here in Australia.. 🙄
I have just asked for a refund, product not working fine enough to justify the price tag
For me was 32€
when i saw this $40 comment stoped watching the video... No FSLTL is great and free.. So i better donate $50 to them than pay Just Flight
Man, still learning so much about MSFS and addons. Ive had FSTraffic for several months and have never seen the control panel screen. Lol
Great video comparing the two packages. Thank you. For me I'll probably stick with FSLTL for right now (meets my needs at the moment). I'll give FSTraffic as harder look if/when it goes on sale. The FSTraffic price tag is a little steep considering there is a viable alternative with FSLTL.
I've seen bigger differences especially in larger airports like EGLL and EDDF. With FSTL or AIG, it was impossible for me to get good frames with 100% traffic. With FS Traffic, it is possible. That alone is worth the price.
Bought fs traffic yesterday and it’s awesome, performance better than fsltl
Hi, I'm not sure that displaying a launch of the new FS Traffic to show video footage with Nose wheels hovering the taxi ways & runways or the opposite, imbedded into the tarmac displaying jolts rather than smooth movement across the surface as though the aircraft is trying to tug its way out from the surface?. Also noticed static objects being flashed on to the image whilst showing a scan of Manchester Airport. Is the issue the FS Traffic or the simulator for both examples?
Not sure there is enough there to justify the price when compared with freeware FSLTL. Also no mention in the video of the A380 wheels being below the runway and all planes bouncing up and down like on a bumpy road when moving. That would annoy the hell out of me. Maybe one for the future if it ever goes on for decent sale price.
that tiny portion of tire would annoy you? When you are in cockpit view you zoom in on another aircraft tires??
@0:17 look at the road traffic at center, vehicles jumping off the road LOL.
I will keep the frame hit for a freeware that works with live traffic ..fs traffic need to update to a simbrief integration
I’m definitely picking this up so such better than FSLTL
I get a pretty high FPS hit with FSLTL so I may consider FST.
apples and oranges... does it really ruin one's immersion that much? For me, nope. Will stay with FSLTL.
Have you checked if the stacked up AI planes at the original airport (going back to an airport) happens with FS traffic also? It happens with AIG, FSLTL and Sim’s own AI
Thanks for the Video! Was waiting for it😇 I'm in 2 minds with the decision of getting it lol
Gavin one other thing. I still have AIG not loaded but there to help FSLTL with missing liveries I think it does that. If get FST do you think I can uninstall AIG s as it takes up heaps of space. I don’t ever run AIG anymore it’s just there.
FSLTL all the way ! After this last update it's even better
It's not worth throwing money at a program that does the same things as aig or fsltl.
It could be useful if fs traffic could undo the bugs of asobo traffic or if it was based on their bug-free injection system but unfortunately it is not so
Where can I find the Fs traffic control center? It's not in the folders nor did it install upon installation...
Look under your Start menu, then the Just Flight folder.
bought it yesterday, got sick of AIV crashing and the install process. Only thing i will say, sounds seem to be a little too loud. Other than that, love it.
Do you know if this works with FSHUD?
I don’t believe it does (source: fshud forums)
I’ve bought yesterday FS traffic and I did a lot of traffic creations in my home base(Barcelona) and it works perfectly. With FSLTL was always nice at the beginning but FPS worst performance once installed and flying specially in payware airport and I don’t have a bad computer. With FS I can put full traffic and heavy schedules and still having great performance and its manual you can understand it very well. Also I’ve been waiting for FS since they said they’d created and JUSTFLIGHT it is the place I get used to buy FS addons.
So FS traffic is MUCH better with performance?
@@gadDenmark Nope, I got it working once now it wont spawn any traffic at any airport. Im also getting hangs on exit to main menu and restart. Its garbage, dont buy it.
@@TeamSethRules - oh man that sucks. Thanks.
@@TeamSethRules maybe you should follow the tutorial and reading the manual is never bad thing. You should know you need wait 10-15 min to traffic spawn in FS depending on how much airport vehicles are. It’s your opinion but I’m tired of FSLTL that gives me crash of desktop or bad performance which medium graphics(when I could put it to extreme graphics) but also, FSLTL traffic was the guilty to hit the performance with A320.
@@gadDenmark for me it is. But is your money and your time. You can do much things with FS and it doesn’t take 13gb of storage in the community folder specially for low computers in hard drive
For now, I stick to FSLTL and for the money, I'd think FS Traffic has to improve (real live traffic option and more liveries) before I'll even consider buying it.
FS traffic models don't touch the ground! I mean the plane are hovering over the runway :). For $40 this is not an option for me
I’m team FSLTL, no cargo planes with FS Traffic (yet) but Leipzig is buzzing with DHL planes on FSLTL.
More Cargo pleez Just Flight!
FS Traffic for me. Already purchased and installed, quite impressed.
If they added GA and Biz jets I will get it, Or give it a few months to mature add more scheme etc.
Be good if they get data from fr24 or something to create flights for Biz jets and GA.
Having some issues with FS Traffic, I even get better frames on Vatsim with the FSLTL VMR. And there is an annoying issue with FS traffic and a Simobjects limitations, in the same scenario at KLAX the FS Traffic doesn't show up, while it does with FSLTL. (even when disabling ground objects in the control center).
I can’t get traffic at inibuilds KLAX either
@@patches8291 I never have traffic in KLAX or EGLL or EPWA with FS Traffic, restarting sim couple times . I always have traffic with FSLTL...
Sounds like an issue with the parking codes at these airports
@@donaldjones9496 No it isn't the issue, the Simobjects limit seems to be the culprit. I deleted the jetways in the control center and it worked. But during my tests when I remove the traffic, sometimes it doesn't come back until I restart the sim.
@@donaldjones9496 I have not problem with traffic on those airports using FSLTL so this is not problem with parkings.
Those FS traffic aircraft looked like they were limping taxing and departing. Sticking with FSLTL personally.
Same. I only get a 2 to 5 fps drop on FSLTL. Not paying 27 quid to have limping aircraft and a 2 to 5 fps increase.
Why can't addons use physics? I don't get this part. This game MUST HAVE FILLED with physics, mathmatics and other science to be realistic. MSFS needs physics. It's a no-brainer, it's a must have. Then what's the problem? Not to mention, videogames back in 2005, come on, almost 20 years ago (!!!) already used physics (Havok)! THEN??? And even Microsoft can't manage after 2 bold years that ground handling staff don't walk through the wings or the aircrafts' body??? o.O What does it mean? And we talk about realism here? Can maybe Asobo grow up in 2023? Please! I'm begging!
When you create a flight in FS traffic you are required to enter origin and destination, so you are only generating planes within those two airports.
When you inject traffic in FSLTL you generate planes within the radius in Km you specify, so I'm sure for this video FSLTL is actually generating not only the planes we see in this airport, but also in other airports nearby and in the air. And yet, the FPS hit is very similar between the two.
Just to clarify, the FSLTL settings were set to 5km radius, to ensure only the airfield in view was populated.
FS Traffic also injects en-route traffic too by default, as evidenced by the contrails.
@@Easyjetsimpilot FS traffic can not inject real time traffic :/
@@gibanica87 no it can't. It injects traffic based on a pre-built schedule.
@@Easyjetsimpilot as per one of their admins, FSLTL is testing FS traffic models. So a joint solution seems to be coming up!
I will stay with fsltl for now they do a great job and are constantly updating their software
ok fs traffic is the best but for 40 dollars .fsltl is the better
The flight characteristics of the FSLTL is terrible. I do not expect much for AI traffic, but when traffic land too far into the runway and then cannot stop in time, then there is an issue! In my case, the aircraft made a turn that would put an F1 race driver to shame, cutting the grass on the way in and only stopping inside one of the cargo buildings! I have also found that the aircraft uses full power taxi from the holding point onto the runway. Sounds very funny hearing those engines roar just to taxi into position.
My last issue is not related to FSLTL... The AI system in MSFS is completely screwed! With real weather enabled, the active runway is 19. ATIS confirms that landing and departing is on Runway 19. The windsocks show a wind of 190-200 degrees at 20 kts. There is one aircraft on approach (24 miles) to Runway 19. AI aircraft requests taxi. Now here comes the funny part! Taxi is given to Runway 01!!! WTF???
Ok, maybe it is a glitch so let's see what happens. Aircraft takes off and the approaching aircraft lands. Second departing aircraft requests taxi... AGAIN, taxi is given to Runway 01! AITIS still says that Runway 19 is active. I have no explanation...
A good comparison. Fio the moment I will continue with FSLTL. Hopefully the team will make improvements to this freeware.
Solid video once again, thx !
In all honesty, I have become much more demanding with payware folks - they need to up their game with true & unique features / improvements to grab me. Although I do see some perf increase with FSTraffic, they seem to be marginal, at best.
I'll be sticking with FSLTL, it serves me well and runs nicely on my system. The models, effects, animations and sounds have kept me smiling. Most of all, I do very much appreciate the near "real time" traffic it offers.
Had FSTraffic managed to also rework the sim air / ground traffic routine, I would have jumped in instantly. Maybe I am too greedy.
What's with the taxying jets "bouncing" up and down as they are moving? Never noticed that with FSLTL, assume this is specific to FST? Nice review by the way.
As long as Asobo doesn't improve it's traffic engine, i see no need to buy a traffic addon that suffers from the same core limitations as FSLTL and AIG do.
Is it just me but every video I’ve watched the plane being followed stutters with its height badly. The A380 for example wasn’t smooth at all on take off. Keep seeing this, is it an actual problem? $60 AUD is allot of money. FSLTL is problematic for people like me who are based in Australia and like to fly overseas locations because the live traffic is based at middle of night depending on time. Lots of FedEx planes. Was hoping this is better but expensive.
I’m also from Australia and have the same issue with FSLTL. Agree with your observations about that EK 380 on takeoff, it really kills any extra immersion that may be provided by aircraft with slightly more detailed models and textures. I would like to see more clips of aircraft operating before buying. Also, are the aircraft controlled in flight by Just Traffic, meaning their behaviour can be tweaked by Just Flight and are not reliant on the Asobo AI system? Since I’ve noticed with FSLTL that a lot of aircraft have really strange takeoffs, where they seem to fly along the runway at low altitude before climbing. From the takeoff clip shown here that does not seem to be an issue?
@@aeroplaneman747 I’d suggest that the strange behaviors of planes on take off is still an asobo issue. I don’t get too fussed about that to be honest as long as there is accurate traffic around. I just worry about planes that stutter and seem to float above the ground! I have a mid spec computer and can struggle with FSLTL at payware airports and on approach for landing so interested in seeing comments how this is with FST. I’m interested it’s just a bit of money down here and needs to be a much better alternative than what is a pretty good freeware version.
Great video and explanation, I’m very disappointed of the product. Definitely not worth $39.99. I like the details on the aircrafts and sounds a little bit but the aircraft’s placements are completely off; JFK being my home airport on pretty much every flight; FSTL does a better job. T5 is known for being Jetblue’s terminal and FS Traffic has some other airlines at this terminal, something FSTL does a lot more accurate. Hopefully some updates will come and get all that fixed, in the meantime I keep enjoying FSTL. Thanks for the video!!
why the touch down and taxiing physics are so funky and jittery? it makes feel the aircrafts look like they are made ouf of light cardboard
FSLTL (default settings) literally halves the framerate at 4K HDR Full Ultra TAA at say KLAX for me even on an OC'd 13900K and 4090. I've bought FS Traffic in the hope that it is more efficient but haven't tried it yet. Remember, my tests are at 4K HDR Full Ultra TAA, with Frame Generation making it still usable, not 1440p, 1080p or using DLSS upscaling so results may vary. I'm hoping that FSLTL is only so bad because of the true real time element which is not critical to me (I can only get 76Mbps download speed where I live, even if the relevant servers could provide it).
Will definitely consider buying it. The bonuses for me are the traffic lining up for the runway won’t be unrealistically congested and the more realistic sounds and models.
Great comparison video excellant. As I have now started on VATSIM I don't think I would use most of FS Traffic features. I agree the models are amazing but they a very good in FSLTL too. FSLTL and AIG VMR files give all the model match you could want for vatsim and they are free. Also FS Traffic still uses ASBO AI traffic default behaviour which comes with all the usual faults. that said, I can't justify £27 for a little more than what I already have albeit more detailed models. I think If I mainly used for offline flying then I would be tempted. But for me I'm sticking with fsltl for now, who also upgrade models regular. Thanks for putting this video together brilliant as always. 👍
all external trafic including FSTL, AIG, Fs Traffic use the asobo engine and all have the same problems, the only thing you get with FS Traffic is some better models performances and all the database stuff.
Is there any way or a program available to model aircraft flying around that you don’t have downloaded? Like fighter jets and helicopters etc. that way I don’t see a 172 zooming pass me at the speed of light. Lol
With regard to FSLTL frame rates, I just boosted the rolling cache to 32GB & turned the 'off-screen terrain caching' to ultra - even at CPU heavy airports like JFK, Heathrow, Gatwick & Charles de Gaulle I boosted frame rates by roughly 50%...& my system is now most definitely considered mid-range. I can't wait to see what the next sim update does to the AI traffic - from the MSFS Beta forums they worked some magic there it seems. Hopefully Atlanta gets some love as AI traffic never worked there...for me at least...
Thanks for that information sir, can you advise how i can boost the rolling cache and turn the off screen terrain caching to ultra on FSLTL?
Hi - adjust in the MSFS General Options menu - for cache it's in the 'data' section & for off-screen terrain caching it's in the 'graphics' section. Note that since my comment was posted, subsequent performance has downgraded in the sim for me with stutters & pauses (sometimes up to 10 or more seconds)@@andylopez2291
the flight plan manager schedules do not match the traffic shown at all.. its just random airliners departing and arriving..whats the purpose of the schedules then? weird
When I see a price tag of around $50 in Australia for this. Vs a great freeware FSLTL.. Let's all just appreciate the hard work that goes into these great freeware products like FSLTL, FBW etc.. Remember there are companies just bunch of greedy pricks trying to cash in on the popularity of FS2020..
So, the others that make these products didn’t have hard work? You don’t think they deserve to get paid for their hard work? As a developer you might have no idea how much time is involved with software.
@@ReefAndReptileAutomation so picking out words to justify your stupid response.. I merely pointing out the hard work that developers put into a free product. I'm not saying payware developers don't. But if you want to go down that road how about some of the shit payware products that have no effort into them. Just to make a quick buck. What do you know about my knowledge in software development and coding. Just another Troll on his high horse..
Ya, that’s not what I said at all but ok. I merely said you don’t think they had hard work to develop this as well?
@@ganntradingsystemstimecycl2783 Not to mention, you also called them pricks but I am the troll?
@@ReefAndReptileAutomation There NOT them, so I was not referring to Just flight..🙄 Have a good day..
FSLTL is free, and open source. With good backing, an open source project will constantly improve and grow (like the FBW A320). I've seen nothing to suggest that FSLTL can't do this, and indeed they've released several very solid updates so far. It's also hands free, whereas FSTraffic requires us to tell them what airport we want traffic at - sort of removes the immersion when in VR. I sometimes just like to divert and turn up somewhere. Others say frame rates suffer with FSLTL. I suspect there is a slight hit, but in my experience it's not noticeable. Pluses and minuses for both, but being free, FSLTL is a no-brainer really. It's already solid, and I can't wait to see what else they'll do to enhance it.
I don't use vatsim.Models are some better and some not so good in both.I wouldn't really use the other features tha FS Traffic has,well not at this point anyway.I have no problem starting FSTL after I have set up at my airport.Free compared to around $60 Australian,the free wins out easily for me.Maybe if they have like a half price sale down the track I may think about it.Cheers for the video.Very nice!!
Hello Gavin.
I try to add the VRM file of Fsttaffic as a customer ruleset in vpilot but nothing happens. Vpilot gives error loading the planes in and says it will try to recreate the model. Any suggestions what I might be doing wrong? Thanks
I like FSLTL simply because it’s free, no fps issues and no lags. Sure it has some static traffic glitches but so does FS.
What a nice and very well explained video. Thx Gavin. I stick to FSLTL by now... or no ? Damn i wanna try FS TRAFFIC. XD
Hey! Does anyone know how to change the quantity of traffic at the arrival airport on fs traffic? I know we can change it for the departure with the "time before departure" value but didn't find any setting to inject more or less traffic at the arrival airport...
Thx for those who will take the time to answer!
After years of usage, which one you use and recommend? FS Traffic, AIG or FSLTL?
Hello friend, i've heard that it possible to set textures in fsltl in 2K, how to do that ? Apprently, the textures files decrease from 40go to 9 go ! do you know how to set that ?
I will stick with FSLTL for a bit, but FSTraffic looks really nice, and way more options to tweak it, because FSLTL is a but of a FPS hog!
If I was doing more offline flying I would grab it. It looks like a really nice product, but as I fly mainly online I only really need the vmr file and at them moment FSLTL meets my needs nicely in that regard. Interesting to see where it goes
For me, I think I'll stick with FSLTL for now, but wait a bit to see what changes are made to FS and maybe if there was a promo then I could justify.
I do have the odd FPS drop with FSLTL so will be interesting with FS. I've even got a Medium to High Spec machine.
I will use both for model matching in vatsim along with select installed planes/liveries as available. Also, when not using online ATC, I will use one or the other depending on the use-case scenario be it Flight Radar 24's real-time traffic advantage or FS Traffic's historic schedule databases advantage. When loafing around in a hot air balloon, bush flying in northern Ontario, or soaring in the Alps, I probably won't use either. In other words, I will enjoy the versatility that both have to offer, individually and together.
FSLTL also injects GA and VFR traffic which doesn't appear to be the case for FS Traffic since it is based on airline schedules. I wonder if anyone has tried combined traffic injection by setting IFR in FSLTL to 0 to get only the VFR from FSLTL while getting the airliners from FS Traffic.
that would be interesting and then you can increase the max VFR on the FSLTL too
I used FS Traffic with vatsim if there is no atc or traffic online
Just installed MSFS2020 on my new PC, will FS Traffic replace all the default looking aircraft that you see parked at stands with correct liveries?
@@mikeallen789 yes.
I'll only buy an AI traffic addon if it matches or even exceeds the likes of World Traffic 3 for X plane, since that addon can make you park your aircraft somewhere and just enjoy plane spotting from your favorite airport with the amount of detail given to its animations. But since this addon is limited by the sim itself, nah.
Really don't like needing to set the destination in order for it to know where to inject aircraft. 👎👎👎👎
Another missed mark. 👎.
What about the aig models and sounds?
Is fsltl better optimized in 2024?
Whats with all the bouncing up and down?..put's me in mind of the Posky 747 in FSX 😛I find FSLTL to be fine for now, but I shall keep a close eye on Justflight's version, and may get it in the future
That's down to Asobos idiotic single contact point for Ai instead of multiple contact points. The single point nonsense causes the idiotic jumping we see.
@cbcdesign001 that's a shame..I wonder if they'll sort it in an update (won't hold my breath though)
Wow, what a great in depth video!
I wonder if this solution to combine both tools also works outside vatsim? I didn't get that.
Plus, what impact does it have to run BOTH simultaneously, I wonder?
I would only have both installed for VATSIM model matching. I wouldn't have both FSTraffic and FSLTL traffic injectors running at the same time.
@@Easyjetsimpilot oh, I see! Very helpful and thank you for the quick reply, Gavin!
FS Traffic is a mess. The Injector is not working properly it clears Aircraft but when I push inject again nothing happens. Always have to restart simulator. In Air there are almost no planes, and at some airports when landing there are only a handfull airplanes at the gate.
At night the planes in cruise are not having lights. And a lot of go around. It doesnt comunicate with atc in cruise FSLTL does. So dont buy it FSLTL is much more better!
If you ask the support all they say is msfs limitation problem, msfs limitation problem. Just Bull***
Cruise planes in FS Traffic does not communicate with ATC.. so flying silent over Europe isn"t that fun. I wonder why they could not fix that. Both AIG AND FSTL have this function. I quess i will stick with FSTL for now.....
So far, Installing this into My fight simulator, It's rather difficult and confusing to install., Twice I installedit and Twice, all the planes were doubled together and I uninstalled it and re-downloaded the whole product files starting on a clean slate., Does FS traffic Start automatically when My Flightsim starts ??
Problem with FSLTL, atleast for me , is that too many flights are removed by MS (not by FSLTL) with no explanation. Too many times, arriving at an airport one finds a companion flight just go nixed! Problem with FSTraffic, for me is that it is not based on real time traffic. I am not willing to spend $40 for doubtful improvement. Thanks but no thanks.
No matter what I do after following the instructions to add destination ICAO code and confirm, I am only getting traffic at my departure airport and even then it is only departing aircraft. It is a shame as it does run smoothly. Just flown LHR-LGW-loads of aircraft at LHR. Spotted for 15mins then flew to LGW-no aircraft. Did the reverse flight and exactly the same result. Very disappointing.
Interesting, the comparison was mainly with FSLTL for obvious reasons and you could have been forgiven for thinking you were comparing two pieces of payware just based on approaches to the product and features alone. Basically they are pretty much neck and neck when looking at the products and comparing pros and cons. Except for the huge elephant in the room, ones free.....of course you made no bones about that, and the other being rather expensive. I'm absolutely of the opinion that people should be paid for their work, even if they choose not to charge for it, but FSLTL will not directly accept money at all, however if you go to their website they have links of charities they support that do take donations instead. So if you don't want to give JF $50 and you use FSLTL, maybe a token gesture of goodwill of $1, $5 $10 or $20 to one of the charities is something you can do to say thanks and show appreciation. I have nothing against JF at all and have a number of their products, but I just feel FSLTL are invested for reasons more or of us can relate to.
Although FSLTL exclusive content of Live Traffic is quite attractive, the awful performance generated later on made me uninstalled many times. FSTraffic handles traffic much better, performance is great and this is just the beginning. Also, with FS Traffic the AI Traffic flies at decent speeds, not like FSLTL where they fly too slow.
Got FS traffic. PROS vs FSLTL more accurate detailed models, flight plans leave you to fly in every area of the world at any local time.
CONS: FSLTL still has the best AI sound ever created, I have a hi end audio system and takeoff FSLTL sound is amazing.
FSLTL plenty of livery and cargos, any freight for FS
As long as the traffic system of MSFS is still buggy I stick with AIG and FSLTL together with PSXT and RealTraffic. No go arounds at all except when it happens in real life. Nice flaring when landing even crabbing when there’s crosswind. The correct parking spots at any airport no AFCAD problems. The reason of buying FS Traffic is pure for the models and liveries to get more immersive at the airports. PSXT gives priority over each models and liveries by having a registration number database which is updated a lot for FREE. Model matching at VATSIM is in my opinion a lot better with FSLTL because of the virtual airline liveries. The big advantage though is that the models in FSTraffic are native MSFS models so no conversion there.
The low flying aircraft issue doesn't have anything to do with JustFlight, its an issue with Asobo traffic. Even FSLTL and AIG aircraft depart, climb for a bit, then descend, and then climb again. Until Asobo fix the AI system, it doesn't matter what third party developers do, it will have this issue.
I might get FSTraffic and use AiG to supplement since AiG has better FPS than FSLTL. I miss FLAi...
I don't like the fact that airplanes bump up and down while moving
Will the AI traffic show up on the ND for TCAS purposes? I know FSLTL does not display AI traffic on the ND. I fly the FBWire A320.
I found out why some people find the sounds from FST better than FSLTL. They are so soft at full thrust that because of the 100% taxi thrust bug introduced with SU11, they sound quite OK on taxi, and they rev up and down. FSLTL have a work around for that bug, setting the sounds at a steady low rate at taxi, so no revving. And that way FST sounds better at taxi. When the bug is fixed, FSLTL sounds also will rev, and have a good roar at takeoff and rumble at a large distance, like intended. FST sounds will then be hardly heard while taxiing. Also FST uses the old tech FSX sounds, no startup and shutdown sounds are available. Nice detailed models though.
They should make FSTraffic pull your Simbrief flight as well to make it hands off
what isnt mentionned here is that FSTraffic isnt compatible with AI ATC like FSHud.
I heard its not working with gsx pro. And there are no gen aircrafts while flying off route
Currently I have fsltl, but for several reasons covered in your review I may very well be adding fs traffic
Thank you for the review , Since the last update of FSLTL, My PC keeps crashing , But if i try flying without the addon , Its a normal flight at 30 fps reducing to 25 FPS when getting close to a airport. I was a big supporter of Ultimate Traffic Live , Very much the same has the FSTraffic, But what i am unsure off is while at high altitude , Do you get to see the other aircraft just like flying to the middle east and you get to see many other planes , So do you get that feature on FSTaffic. One thing that is a miss is the ability to right click and see aircraft traffic thats close by However FSLTL covers this by using the development mode and objects , But not has good as before on Microsoft Flight Simulator , Would like to hear your thoughts
I couldn't even get FS Traffic to work. Ended up requesting a refund
I use FSLTL, but how does this compare with AIG models?
So does this new FS traffic run completely in the background with no application needed to be open? If so that’s a great plus.
Correct.
Price apart, prefer FSTraffic but wish it was compatible withFSHud.
The answer here, as in many, many other cases, is "Get both". :D
How are you getting almost 42 FPS mine maxes at 30, what are your settings and how are you getting these great FPS?
I have a video of my settings on the channel.
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FSLTL liveries, PSXT, RT combination is better.
When I disabled the FSTraffic it still populated the Airport with white generic aircraft when on Vatsim? Was at EGCC and watching this video (17:48) when you disabled FST you airport was completely empty until you connected to Vatsim. Any ideas why I would have generic white planes?
Check you have turned off the injector in the control panel (no done within the simulator)
I use FSLTL with light settings. AI behaviour in sims has always been a problem together with ATC so with just a minimum set of traffic just to have an not empty airport is enough for me.
Good to see some good competition on this front though. More options for everyone and hopefully it pressures Asobo a little more for their ATC solutions.
Is it possible to run both FS Traffic and FSLTL but deleting unnecessary models from FSTL folder and keeping the Cargo and other missing aircraft?
I mainly fly on vatsim so I'm only in need of models and VMR
You can of course keep both and have 2 VMR files. That's how I'm now running it.
It looks way better than Simple Traffic one.
Why are all my AI Aircraft invisible?
I see jet bridges moving but no aircraft. If you have experienced this and have a fix please share solution. Thank you
The sim has reached the maximum number of objects it can load/display.