The Jorkrassic Park talk at the end cracked me up. Never played Orks myself, but play against them quite a lot. Looking forward to facing all sorts of new squigs :D
Enjoyed this one lads 👍🏼 Quick one on the stompa, I've played one game with him so far and he got into combat with a knight and caused 45 unsaved wounds to it in one go 😄 He died the next turn but what a way to go 😎
The thing with boyz now is that if you run them as Goffs, they're downright scary on the charge. You don't need a big mob either, as even a minimum squad of 10 with a Nob can put out frankly menacing numbers. With WAAAGH! and a charge, you're looking at 36 S5 AP-1 attacks plus whichever kind of pain the Nob is dishing out. With exploding sixes that's something like 30 hits. Throw a Warboss into the mix and oh boy, that bunch is going to krump! And the same goes for Stormboyz, Kommandos and heck even Burnas (who are actually super scary now with Goffs as they get S5 AP-2 with a charge and the stratagem!). Honestly everything in Goffs is pretty freaking amazing in melee, even Deffkotpas (27 attacks at S6 AP-1 on the charge with WAAAGH! on)!
I played in a tournament on Tuesday against new gray knights. My beastboss on squigisaur did 15 wounds to grey knight grandmaster. My shokkjump dragster dropped 8 terminators. My scrapjet rammed him other character and mortal wounded him to death. The boys are back!
I'm finding the mek gunz to work relatively well when you call a speed waaagh as the extra ap effects all vehicles, mega kannons at -4 ap or smasha gunz at -5 is quite nice. Morale is still a huge issue given and you're probably better just using this on dreads or battlewagons but it does help.
I love Squighog boyz so much. When I saw 25ppm I thought they were ridiculously undercosted but putting them on the table they are actually fairly hard to manoeuvre around terrain with a 10" move which balances it out a bit. They are still very cheap for how tough/killy they are though, and bomb squigs seems like they might be a good reason to break the Blast threshold and run 3x6!
In regards to mek guns, there is a good argument for most of the guns. From a competitive standpoint d3 shots from the smasha gun is good vs the d6 mega kannon because you have the potential of killing your own unit with the mega kannon... if wounded you could self destruct a mega kannon and force yourself to take a moral test that causes another gun to run away, but the smasha whilst having less shots does not have this problem. In a friendly setting, the bubblechukka gives people who miss the old ork randomness that fix, so they can enjoy themselves too, whilst competitively whilst random effect also makes your opponents targeting priority much harder, as they don't know if those will be a threat or not, whether they have a horde or elite force you have the potential to damage either
I'd love to see what a "standard" competitive Ork list would look like with the new book. It's kind of a shame they've pushed the Beast Snagga stuff so hard and made them just flat out better than the old stuff.
Beast Snaggas are awesome, but they're points expensive and don't have nearly as many unit types as our regular old boys. Don't be so pessimistic. Our good old Orks are here to stay lad.
By the time I finished this comment Beard had already used his normal voice. Entirely understandable for the preservation of his vocal chords, yet still sad 😥
Idea for Gretchin: Change "Diminutive" to -1 to hit. More movement. And if at least 1 Runtherd is on the battlefield, if more than one unit of Gretchin was removed due to morale, return those models (not ones removed because of wounds) combined into one (or more if over 30 models) unit to either your deployment zone or near the Runtherd at the beginning of your next turn.
If you're Deathskulls and take a runtherd he can stand in the middle of the Gretchen. The runtherd has objective secured because he's infantry and the cheap gretchen give you bodies and protect the character from being killed. That's probably the 'best' way to run them.
@@nicholassmith7984 Hah its also partly because if I go to a tourny then ill have to run them as bad moons anyways. Also dey az the most teeth so da best :)
Would be great to see a revamp of Chefs naughty boys and toys list, maybe a rematch against the new TSons that was an awesome game and it looked so cool!!
From a lore perspective at the very least Orks shouldn't be fazed by morale they should actually get a boost because they run towards the bigger fight so the worst the fight is they don't get more scared they get more happy and excited.
Pretty sure as bioweapon designed 60 mln years ago they have no homeworld or they forget about it. I think ullanor was / is the capital of Beast empire. Can also have the holy site value as the .... Holy Krumpin Grounds or sth like this.
I totally agree with you guys that the old version of mob rule essentially made Orks immune to morale and that was silly. Personally I wish that the current mob rule was something like "if a model in this unit were to be lost due to combat attrition roll a d6, on a 6 that model does not run. Add 1 to this roll for every 10 Ork models within 6 inches (to a max of +3)" **those distances might not be good** this way when surrounded by 30 other models Orks have a 3+ to ignore the combat attrition test. Morale will still hurt but this would mitigate it slightly Then bosses or even the LoWs could also add to this roll (Ghaz gives a flat +3), you could make vehicles count as 5 models so that your buggies, Mek gunz, etc get some benefit too. Idk something like this makes Orks better when they create critical mass but doesn't ruin more independent specialist mobs. My only worry is that this would slow things down a lot, but there's probably a way to simplify this idea
Grots: Grant +1 cover to any target behind them. but if you fail a cover save you lose a grot *as well* as the targeted model. Now that would have been a fun interaction that makes them different to boys, and useful.
I'm about to start an Ork army. Next couple of days i will be buying the codex and the rule book, pots of dulux and big brushes. I had an idea about my first few boxes, but now i'm worried. . . . i've seen your top 5, but the Killa Kans aren't in it. About to watch the bottom 5 now, don't put them in there. . . cos i'll get 'em anyway. Think i'll add the Squighog Boyz based on your review. Looks like Ghazghkull, Killa Kans, Squighog Boyz and Boyz (to learn how to paint) Hope i don't go in excited. It would be like shopping when hungry.
God damn it, Beard. Almost spat my drink on that "You might be right. My memory is not great." AHAHA! And that Jurassic Park reference. YES. It was San Diego where the trex went on a rampage.
Flash Gitz are great models to make. They were my first 40k Ork Unit (lots of fantasy Orcs). I loved painting them -ine are Da Power Rangas and are painted blue, red, green, yellow and pink. I don't play hard so I always use them but they are rubbish.
If memory serves correct they actually did this in an episode of Bernard’s watch (love the reference btw) where Bernard broke the watch and time kept randomly stopping and starting and Bernard had to find a way to fix it while constantly stopping and starting in time. Loved this show growing up. I’m just happy they made the stompa playable it’s still not great but at least I can feel good about destroying my friends one as he will destroy a good amount before he dies
Bomb Squigs have a direct historical equivalent. In WW2, the Soviets would train dogs to look under tanks for food, and on the day of battle they would strap a bomb to their backs and let them loose ahead of a German assault.
I'm surprised nothing was mentioned about dakka weapons not being able to advance and shoot. Feels like a massive nerf to the army and especially evil suns
You'll find that with a few exceptions most of our assault weapons were short ranged, meaning you would advance and shoot probably once with them, twice if you were lucky. Having more shots instead of mobility isn't really a nerf. It's more of a lateral movement.
With the Ld example you give is a god help, like for every (clan) core infantry biker and cavalry get +1 to Ld to a maximum of 3. And ork core units uses a clan warboos Ld ( wold be then Ld 11 with al that). For super heavy auxilery detachment they cold update if it have same (clan) as the Warlord it get clan culture. And other factions same ting.
The thing I'm saddest about is that Dakka weapons don't allow you to advance and shoot them anymore. The other thing thats an issue that the specialist mobs remove your clan keyword so they can't go into your transports and they don't get effected by many stratagems and none of your aura's
@@PinochleIsALie This is true, but Dakka is basically the love child of Assault/Rapid fire only worse since usually it's not got the double fire rate at half but also can't be fired after advancing. I have a feeling though it'd gonna get FAQ'd
I had the same Mek Gun morale issue with forgeworld grot Tanks before. Awesome minis but morale 4 with units of 5+ is so bad. Funny thing is that kill kans have morale 6
Cool video guys I enjoy the discussion vids. I do miss Dakka Dakka Dakka though. It might make it easier but I think the new rules are a bit boring, I liked the random fun of DDD. It felt quite orky to me. I miss the randomness is general from my orks though like they were in early editions 😢
Ork Player from 4th edition here. I loved the RNG of our army, but over time it stopped translating into a fun time for me personally. By 6th and 7th edition, it had gone from fun, unpredictable shenanigans to just downright detrimental. I'm a good sport, but constantly losing because you have no control over your own strategy gets old after a while
Great video! What would you say are better options for the points than Mek Guns? They're still really cheap! I'm just starting with Orks and am trying decide what is worth buying
Don't chase the meta, an FAQ or chapter approved or supplement book is always a matter of months away that can change everything, for this edition go for innate abilities and theme, for what you want from mek gunz, I'm not sure they have a direct competitor (anti tank, backfield objective sitters) maybe lootaz or rukkatrukk squigbuggies (latter doesn't need LOS), mek gunz will always have their place though
@@stuartmathers7384 Thanks for the advice! I'll get a couple of them and see how they do. I was holding off buying a full Ork army for a long time as I am not a fan of painting vehicles. Therefore, the new squig orientated army really piqued my interest.
I would be using the grot guns as backfield objective holders. For 45 points buy three and have them sat behind cover holding those objectives. Then the Boyz can get forward and do some krumping.
Mek Guns are best used in units of 1 now. So a max of 18 on the board that was often run down to... 3... which I'm ok with because their points to dollar ratio was DUMB. But anyone with more than a few Mek Guns is looking to pawn them off now for sure. But at least they're still really efficient and killy in squads of 1. 3 Kustom Mega Kannons is a damn good use of points and can turn on Freebootas for you. But yes. None of the other guns are worth anything.
@@donniebooshae3880 They don't benefit, but they still count to turn it on for everyone else! They still have the Clan keyword and can kill something as Freebootas to give the Ork Freebootas the +1 to hit
I put my (now Bad Moons) Flash Gitz on top of my Squiggoth - its Howdah let's them shoot all the time as if they where stationary, even if the Squiggoth moved or is in melee! I like them
Ork player here. You guys missed what Green Tide lists are running and I think mislabeled some units. Endless Green Tide with 30 man squads of Boyz allows for full resets on units back on the board, annoying your enemy. If their morale was higher, it'd make that stratagem straight broken. Also, gretchen are cheap screens for Boyz holding objectives.
Just in time. Im closing my sister army (Feel good about the lists possibilities with the new stuff tbh... I can spread the emperor words just right) and Im thinking about slowly starting a new one by the end of the summer. Should I go for Orks or Custodes?
Personally I think the Hunta Rig and Kill Rig are a little undercosted for the stat lines. The Kill Rig especially could do with a points bump as for me it's an auto pick over the Hunta Rig. Perhaps I'll be proven wrong once the models come out and people start actually using them in games. But I dunno they just seem to do everything a Battlewagon can do and then some more on top. They're about as shooty as the Gunwagon and as good in close combat as the Bonebreaker. Transport models and can take Frazzle which does a bunch of mortal wounds to everything within 9 inches of the Kill Rigs large base. The Squigosaur warboss also seems a touch undercosted for his stat line. He's fast, tough, hard to target due to his wound total and extremely good in melee. Not sure if there's any argument for taking the Beast snagga warboss on foot outside of fluffy/thematic lists.
My NUMBER ONE complaint with new Ork Codex is the change to killsaws going to d3 damage. I didn't mind the nerf to hit em harder but they are no longer the super consistent termie killers and it seemed completely ridiculous that they flipped the pk damage and the ks damage
I dunno, Dual killsaws has always been my thing for my Meganobs and even a squad of 3 will produce 12 attacks (15 on a Waaagh) I just can't see termies not getting deleted from that.
@@dwarfy2k264 with a 4+ WS only 7-8 (we'll say 8 for generosity sake ) will hit on average. You will get 7 wounds and on average they will save 2 of them with their invul. So 5 go through on damage with d3 damage meaning you will on average kill 3-4 of them assuming you use hit em harder which is now 2cp. Compared to old killsaws where every failed save was a dead termie. Of course d3 damage is better agaisnt -1 damage models but imo that doesn't help a ton unless you're up agaisnt DG
@@zoopdoop_games A full squad of Termies is 380 points with only 21 attacks, A full squad of Meganobz is 450 point but 40 attacks (50 on waaagh). A Power Fist requires 2 hits to kill one meganob, in the least a meganob takes 1-3 attacks per kill. Both termies and meganobs hit on 4+ but termies are 3+ and megas are 2+ on wounding. I'm honestly not sure why they've made the vehicle damage weapons the d3 weapons (like the chainfist) but looks like thats what they are doing this edition. *Edited* Forgot to add both get a 5+ save.
IMO it's actually a good change as it now gives you an actual choice between the two. Do you take the better AP and the more swingy damage, or the lower AP but the more consistent damage? It's an actual choice that you have to think about now!
@@slow_runner I'm not sure why anyone would pay the points for the killsaws anymore. Sure you get an extra attack but it costs 10 points for the two killsaws you need for that bonus. That's almost a 30% price increase over the regular meganobz. And you lose all your shooting for it.
No real homeworld for Orks. But Ullanor is the planet from the Beast book. Also the place where Emperor announced Horus as the Warmaster after they defeated the largest Ork empire based on Ullanor
Boyz before we’re terrible in units of 30, because whilst they may not have run, they died really quickly and hit like a feather. Now they are tougher and hit much better. A few will run every time they take morale, but not that many and you are losing less to start with because of the increased toughness, so hordes are much more usable than they were
My preference for mob rule would be Orks caring less about the number of Orks that died. D6 plus half the number of models killed vs leadership would feel a lot more Orky to me.
I'm liking a lot of the ork stuff from what I've seen! But the mob rule thing is a big kick in the lore teeth and really seems to discourage horde play style which is core to orky goodness :/ can't say any opponent complained about my boys not running away in exchange for the old breaking eads rule. Loving the deep dives and reviews!
Morale in general is a huuuge issue now for many units. Im running more 10 model blobs now to max out the use of the new mob rule and evade high morale losses. Same for the squig-hog boys, mek gunzs etc.. Just small units otherwise chances are way to high to have big morale losses. That said, i prefer beast snagga boyz in that size over the normal boyz. Only normal boyz i have are trukk-boyz. A real shame 😔
I don`t quite get the argument, that it`s better to run a small unit of boyz instead of a big one, due to morale. Since the damage depends on the attacking unit, you will loose the same amount of boyz, regardless of the size of the unit. If you fail the morale test, you will loose another model + x models. The chance of rolling 1s is the always the same per dice. A squad of 10 boyz is wiped out in no time, a bigger squad has at least the chance to survive longer to reach the enemy or hold an objective for another 1 or 2 rounds. I get the point though, that it is less attractive for the other player to concentrate the fire on a smaller unit. On the other hand, these are shots not fired on other (more valuable?) units...
Man you guys don't understand about the flash gitz. Theres so much Dakka and so much pain. I feel like the freebooterz get a bad rep but yeah put them in a battlewagon put kaptin bad Ruk and a big mek in there park it up front and shoot everything that moves. Honestly they are just so good and lots of fun plus you know there I pirates. I also feel like they have good sinagey with mek gunz and big mekz also Lootas are pretty nice. It's very much building a Ork fort but it is fun! You should try it!
Pound per pound, yes, beast snaggas are better than sluggas. But they don't have access to the same variety of weapons as a regular nob leader, and an extra 2 points per model adds up really damn quick when you're running hordes
Grots cost THE SAME as Imperial guardsmen, who have obsec, better WS, stronger, better save, better ranged weapons... Grots have no reason to be 5 points.
Yeah grots are basically worthless now and the Runtherd is way too many points too he should never be more than 18pts he's currently 35pts with a squighound which is basically essential to stop them all disappearing immediately.
@@josephrigley8974 But the Deathskulls version has obsec. So he can hide in a huge mob of grots and contest objectives. And if anyone with obsec rocks up the grots provide the model count for the ties. Not saying it makes them good but it's not the absolute worst combination of units in the game.
sounds like models I got 15-20 years ago have been replaced by better models with better stats (same as the SM) I did hate playing against Ork armies full of grots two years ago
I'm def annoyed about the whole morale thing if they had just given out breakin heads as a general rule for nobz and warbosses it would be fine but making it a 2cp stratagem is just willfully bad design.
Ghaz has been hard nerfed. Sure he can call a great waaagh but mixing infantry and vehicles was, in previous codex not a good idea. He only fits in to so many different great builds that can benefit from both waaaghs. But his worst offender is, that he cant be healed anymore. mix that with the fact he is now slower as you can only advance and charge once with him during the waaagh and not always, that means you have a slower ghaz, who cant be healed, and doesnt buff boys as much as he used to.
I disagree on the verdict for the flash gitz. They may not look good at first glance - but they're wonderful as badmoons. Heavy weapons makes them range 30 Badmoons strat makes 6's hit twice Flashgitz strat makes them shoot twice (and still hit twice on 6's) lucky 6's to wound makes the shot ap -3 and yes, im aware that they're probably only good in badmoons lists, but that's ok. Other units are better in some of the other clans, and that's how it shuld be.
I need to correct you there, 6's increase AP by 1 not hit twice. For me I'd rather just run Loota's as they are like almost half the points and their gun is just better specially with Badmoons too.
Came for Beards Ork voice. Stayed for Chef inventing better rules than GW
The Jorkrassic Park talk at the end cracked me up. Never played Orks myself, but play against them quite a lot. Looking forward to facing all sorts of new squigs :D
My jurasork Park squig boss and squig riders using aos cold ones and savage orks is slowly coming together
Enjoyed this one lads 👍🏼 Quick one on the stompa, I've played one game with him so far and he got into combat with a knight and caused 45 unsaved wounds to it in one go 😄 He died the next turn but what a way to go 😎
Love how through this entire video chef looks like hes swapped his chef hat for an undead horned helmet of epicness
Only just noticed 😂
Coolest chef hat I ever saw.
Squigog boyz, warbikers, buggy's, coptaz, and dakkajets are the heroes of this codex! Im running a list with zero troops am im wrecking stuff with it.
The thing with boyz now is that if you run them as Goffs, they're downright scary on the charge. You don't need a big mob either, as even a minimum squad of 10 with a Nob can put out frankly menacing numbers. With WAAAGH! and a charge, you're looking at 36 S5 AP-1 attacks plus whichever kind of pain the Nob is dishing out. With exploding sixes that's something like 30 hits. Throw a Warboss into the mix and oh boy, that bunch is going to krump! And the same goes for Stormboyz, Kommandos and heck even Burnas (who are actually super scary now with Goffs as they get S5 AP-2 with a charge and the stratagem!). Honestly everything in Goffs is pretty freaking amazing in melee, even Deffkotpas (27 attacks at S6 AP-1 on the charge with WAAAGH! on)!
The flow of the banter is much better with only 2 presenters
I played in a tournament on Tuesday against new gray knights. My beastboss on squigisaur did 15 wounds to grey knight grandmaster. My shokkjump dragster dropped 8 terminators. My scrapjet rammed him other character and mortal wounded him to death. The boys are back!
I'm finding the mek gunz to work relatively well when you call a speed waaagh as the extra ap effects all vehicles, mega kannons at -4 ap or smasha gunz at -5 is quite nice. Morale is still a huge issue given and you're probably better just using this on dreads or battlewagons but it does help.
I love Squighog boyz so much. When I saw 25ppm I thought they were ridiculously undercosted but putting them on the table they are actually fairly hard to manoeuvre around terrain with a 10" move which balances it out a bit. They are still very cheap for how tough/killy they are though, and bomb squigs seems like they might be a good reason to break the Blast threshold and run 3x6!
It's less blast even, with the 6 it's the issue of coherencey.
Longer move as evil suns???
Chef, you're doing a great job with performance and presentation these days! It's nice to see you engaging with the lighthearted silliness.
In regards to mek guns, there is a good argument for most of the guns. From a competitive standpoint d3 shots from the smasha gun is good vs the d6 mega kannon because you have the potential of killing your own unit with the mega kannon... if wounded you could self destruct a mega kannon and force yourself to take a moral test that causes another gun to run away, but the smasha whilst having less shots does not have this problem.
In a friendly setting, the bubblechukka gives people who miss the old ork randomness that fix, so they can enjoy themselves too, whilst competitively whilst random effect also makes your opponents targeting priority much harder, as they don't know if those will be a threat or not, whether they have a horde or elite force you have the potential to damage either
Nevermind the points difference, Gork/Morkanouts are exactly the same cash monies as a Stompa. Makes the Stompa a bargin by comparison!
Hey I just went 5-1 at a Major with 4 Ork super heavies and Ghaz. Long live Ork knights!
What was your list?
++ Super-Heavy Detachment -6CP (Orks 2021) [64 PL, 1,205pts, -6CP] ++
+ Configuration +
Clan Kultur: Goffs
Detachment Command Cost [-6CP]
+ Lord of War +
Kill Tank [15 PL, 275pts]: Giga Shoota
Kill Tank [15 PL, 275pts]: Giga Shoota
Kill Tank [15 PL, 275pts]: Giga Shoota
Morkanaut [19 PL, 380pts]: Kustom Force Field
++ Patrol Detachment -2CP (Orks 2021) [21 PL, 390pts, -2CP] ++
+ Configuration +
Clan Kultur: Goffs
Detachment Command Cost [-2CP]
+ HQ +
Mek Boss Buzzgob [5 PL, 100pts]
Weirdboy [4 PL, 70pts]: 3. Da Jump, 4. Fists of Gork, Super Cybork Body
+ Troops +
Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts]: 'Orrible Gitz
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster
+ Fast Attack +
Rukkatrukk Squigbuggies [7 PL, 115pts]: Nitro Squigs
. Rukkatrukk Squigbuggy
Stormboyz [3 PL, 55pts]
. Boss Nob: Choppa
. 4x Stormboy: 4x Choppa, 4x Slugga, 4x Stikkbombs
++ Patrol Detachment 0CP (Orks 2021) [20 PL, 405pts, 12CP] ++
+ Configuration +
Battle Size [12CP]: 3. Strike Force (101-200 Total PL / 1001-2000 Points)
Clan Kultur: Goffs
Detachment Command Cost
+ HQ +
Ghazghkull Thraka [15 PL, 300pts]
Makari [3 PL, 55pts]
+ Troops +
Gretchin [2 PL, 50pts]: 'Orrible Gitz
. 10x Gretchin: 10x Grot Blaster
++ Total: [105 PL, 2,000pts, 4CP] ++
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@@lieutenantgothmog4370 I love your style. I run GK Dreadknight and terminator lists. I like the big bois
I'd love to see what a "standard" competitive Ork list would look like with the new book. It's kind of a shame they've pushed the Beast Snagga stuff so hard and made them just flat out better than the old stuff.
It’s cause it’s GW’s tactic to make you buy all the new stuff by making the old stuff less good
Beast Snaggas are awesome, but they're points expensive and don't have nearly as many unit types as our regular old boys. Don't be so pessimistic. Our good old Orks are here to stay lad.
Is it entirely unreasonable to expect Beard to do this whole video in his Orks voice?
By the time I finished this comment Beard had already used his normal voice. Entirely understandable for the preservation of his vocal chords, yet still sad 😥
@@GardenhammerDave maybe his ork voice is actually his normal voice and he puts on a speaking voice?!
Beard... No.
El-Beardo however? Absolutely a yes
Idea for Gretchin: Change "Diminutive" to -1 to hit. More movement. And if at least 1 Runtherd is on the battlefield, if more than one unit of Gretchin was removed due to morale, return those models (not ones removed because of wounds) combined into one (or more if over 30 models) unit to either your deployment zone or near the Runtherd at the beginning of your next turn.
If you're Deathskulls and take a runtherd he can stand in the middle of the Gretchen. The runtherd has objective secured because he's infantry and the cheap gretchen give you bodies and protect the character from being killed. That's probably the 'best' way to run them.
I play my Orks as Bad Moons as that’s how they’re painted by I love my Flashgitz. Extra six inch range is very handy
@@nicholassmith7984 Hah its also partly because if I go to a tourny then ill have to run them as bad moons anyways. Also dey az the most teeth so da best :)
Would be great to see a revamp of Chefs naughty boys and toys list, maybe a rematch against the new TSons that was an awesome game and it looked so cool!!
From a lore perspective at the very least Orks shouldn't be fazed by morale they should actually get a boost because they run towards the bigger fight so the worst the fight is they don't get more scared they get more happy and excited.
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Isn't it suggested that the Ork homeworld is Ullanor, i.e. Armageddon? Isn't this why Ghaz is so keen on taking it back?
yeah pretty sure this is the case
yes it is. Ullanor = Armageddon = Ork's "homeworld"
Pretty sure as bioweapon designed 60 mln years ago they have no homeworld or they forget about it. I think ullanor was / is the capital of Beast empire. Can also have the holy site value as the .... Holy Krumpin Grounds or sth like this.
@@LagTheKiller I don't think it's a coincidence that the Ork's holy planet is the one where they almost beat the Emperor himself
@@Black_Blow_Fly C'tan Shard of the GITSTOMPA
I totally agree with you guys that the old version of mob rule essentially made Orks immune to morale and that was silly.
Personally I wish that the current mob rule was something like "if a model in this unit were to be lost due to combat attrition roll a d6, on a 6 that model does not run. Add 1 to this roll for every 10 Ork models within 6 inches (to a max of +3)" **those distances might not be good** this way when surrounded by 30 other models Orks have a 3+ to ignore the combat attrition test. Morale will still hurt but this would mitigate it slightly
Then bosses or even the LoWs could also add to this roll (Ghaz gives a flat +3), you could make vehicles count as 5 models so that your buggies, Mek gunz, etc get some benefit too. Idk something like this makes Orks better when they create critical mass but doesn't ruin more independent specialist mobs. My only worry is that this would slow things down a lot, but there's probably a way to simplify this idea
Very sad about the changes to the Gorkanaut, they made them titanic but didn't make them have the oomph of titanic.
Grots: Grant +1 cover to any target behind them. but if you fail a cover save you lose a grot *as well* as the targeted model.
Now that would have been a fun interaction that makes them different to boys, and useful.
Brilliant way to relax during my lunch on my day off, cheers boys!
I have no idea how i got that you were talking about Bernard's watch, from that description. Nice to hear random bits from my childhood :-).
I'm about to start an Ork army. Next couple of days i will be buying the codex and the rule book, pots of dulux and big brushes.
I had an idea about my first few boxes, but now i'm worried. . . . i've seen your top 5, but the Killa Kans aren't in it.
About to watch the bottom 5 now, don't put them in there. . . cos i'll get 'em anyway.
Think i'll add the Squighog Boyz based on your review.
Looks like Ghazghkull, Killa Kans, Squighog Boyz and Boyz (to learn how to paint)
Hope i don't go in excited. It would be like shopping when hungry.
God damn it, Beard. Almost spat my drink on that "You might be right. My memory is not great." AHAHA! And that Jurassic Park reference. YES. It was San Diego where the trex went on a rampage.
Flash Gitz are great models to make. They were my first 40k Ork Unit (lots of fantasy Orcs). I loved painting them -ine are Da Power Rangas and are painted blue, red, green, yellow and pink. I don't play hard so I always use them but they are rubbish.
A bonebreaka stuffed with nobz will never stop being fun to play with or against.
If memory serves correct they actually did this in an episode of Bernard’s watch (love the reference btw) where Bernard broke the watch and time kept randomly stopping and starting and Bernard had to find a way to fix it while constantly stopping and starting in time. Loved this show growing up. I’m just happy they made the stompa playable it’s still not great but at least I can feel good about destroying my friends one as he will destroy a good amount before he dies
Bomb Squigs have a direct historical equivalent. In WW2, the Soviets would train dogs to look under tanks for food, and on the day of battle they would strap a bomb to their backs and let them loose ahead of a German assault.
Problem: They only trained the dogs on RUSSIAN tanks, so this kind of backfired...
I'm surprised nothing was mentioned about dakka weapons not being able to advance and shoot. Feels like a massive nerf to the army and especially evil suns
You'll find that with a few exceptions most of our assault weapons were short ranged, meaning you would advance and shoot probably once with them, twice if you were lucky. Having more shots instead of mobility isn't really a nerf. It's more of a lateral movement.
I can't wait for Emperor's Children codex release next year!
With the Ld example you give is a god help, like for every (clan) core infantry biker and cavalry get +1 to Ld to a maximum of 3. And ork core units uses a clan warboos Ld ( wold be then Ld 11 with al that). For super heavy auxilery detachment they cold update if it have same (clan) as the Warlord it get clan culture. And other factions same ting.
The thing I'm saddest about is that Dakka weapons don't allow you to advance and shoot them anymore. The other thing thats an issue that the specialist mobs remove your clan keyword so they can't go into your transports and they don't get effected by many stratagems and none of your aura's
However, Dakka weapons don't have the penalty on movement like Heavy. See: Lootas
@@PinochleIsALie This is true, but Dakka is basically the love child of Assault/Rapid fire only worse since usually it's not got the double fire rate at half but also can't be fired after advancing. I have a feeling though it'd gonna get FAQ'd
That specialist mob rule is certain to get fixed in the first FAQ. If it doesn't someone at GW needs a kick in the caboose.
I had the same Mek Gun morale issue with forgeworld grot Tanks before. Awesome minis but morale 4 with units of 5+ is so bad. Funny thing is that kill kans have morale 6
Cool video guys I enjoy the discussion vids.
I do miss Dakka Dakka Dakka though. It might make it easier but I think the new rules are a bit boring, I liked the random fun of DDD. It felt quite orky to me. I miss the randomness is general from my orks though like they were in early editions 😢
Ork Player from 4th edition here. I loved the RNG of our army, but over time it stopped translating into a fun time for me personally. By 6th and 7th edition, it had gone from fun, unpredictable shenanigans to just downright detrimental. I'm a good sport, but constantly losing because you have no control over your own strategy gets old after a while
Great video! What would you say are better options for the points than Mek Guns? They're still really cheap! I'm just starting with Orks and am trying decide what is worth buying
Don't chase the meta, an FAQ or chapter approved or supplement book is always a matter of months away that can change everything, for this edition go for innate abilities and theme, for what you want from mek gunz, I'm not sure they have a direct competitor (anti tank, backfield objective sitters) maybe lootaz or rukkatrukk squigbuggies (latter doesn't need LOS), mek gunz will always have their place though
@@stuartmathers7384 Thanks for the advice! I'll get a couple of them and see how they do. I was holding off buying a full Ork army for a long time as I am not a fan of painting vehicles. Therefore, the new squig orientated army really piqued my interest.
Great video guys, nice to see you being able to bounce ideas off each other again.
Dunno why but I laughed my self silly when chef said.
"The Bottom Choices" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
I would be using the grot guns as backfield objective holders. For 45 points buy three and have them sat behind cover holding those objectives. Then the Boyz can get forward and do some krumping.
Mek Guns are best used in units of 1 now. So a max of 18 on the board that was often run down to... 3... which I'm ok with because their points to dollar ratio was DUMB. But anyone with more than a few Mek Guns is looking to pawn them off now for sure. But at least they're still really efficient and killy in squads of 1. 3 Kustom Mega Kannons is a damn good use of points and can turn on Freebootas for you. But yes. None of the other guns are worth anything.
I didn’t think Gretchen benefited from klan kultures? I don’t own the new codex though so I may be wrong.
@@donniebooshae3880 They don't benefit, but they still count to turn it on for everyone else! They still have the Clan keyword and can kill something as Freebootas to give the Ork Freebootas the +1 to hit
@@Swoozman same as it was i 8ed codex.
@@Swoozman ok yep I got ya! Thanks for that!
I put my (now Bad Moons) Flash Gitz on top of my Squiggoth - its Howdah let's them shoot all the time as if they where stationary, even if the Squiggoth moved or is in melee! I like them
who'd of thought all the new models would be in the awesome section
Ork player here. You guys missed what Green Tide lists are running and I think mislabeled some units. Endless Green Tide with 30 man squads of Boyz allows for full resets on units back on the board, annoying your enemy. If their morale was higher, it'd make that stratagem straight broken. Also, gretchen are cheap screens for Boyz holding objectives.
Just in time. Im closing my sister army (Feel good about the lists possibilities with the new stuff tbh... I can spread the emperor words just right) and Im thinking about slowly starting a new one by the end of the summer. Should I go for Orks or Custodes?
Personally I think the Hunta Rig and Kill Rig are a little undercosted for the stat lines.
The Kill Rig especially could do with a points bump as for me it's an auto pick over the Hunta Rig.
Perhaps I'll be proven wrong once the models come out and people start actually using them in games.
But I dunno they just seem to do everything a Battlewagon can do and then some more on top. They're about as shooty as the Gunwagon and as good in close combat as the Bonebreaker. Transport models and can take Frazzle which does a bunch of mortal wounds to everything within 9 inches of the Kill Rigs large base.
The Squigosaur warboss also seems a touch undercosted for his stat line. He's fast, tough, hard to target due to his wound total and extremely good in melee. Not sure if there's any argument for taking the Beast snagga warboss on foot outside of fluffy/thematic lists.
Bernard's watch!! You old gitz 😄 love it
My NUMBER ONE complaint with new Ork Codex is the change to killsaws going to d3 damage. I didn't mind the nerf to hit em harder but they are no longer the super consistent termie killers and it seemed completely ridiculous that they flipped the pk damage and the ks damage
I dunno, Dual killsaws has always been my thing for my Meganobs and even a squad of 3 will produce 12 attacks (15 on a Waaagh) I just can't see termies not getting deleted from that.
@@dwarfy2k264 with a 4+ WS only 7-8 (we'll say 8 for generosity sake ) will hit on average. You will get 7 wounds and on average they will save 2 of them with their invul. So 5 go through on damage with d3 damage meaning you will on average kill 3-4 of them assuming you use hit em harder which is now 2cp. Compared to old killsaws where every failed save was a dead termie. Of course d3 damage is better agaisnt -1 damage models but imo that doesn't help a ton unless you're up agaisnt DG
@@zoopdoop_games A full squad of Termies is 380 points with only 21 attacks, A full squad of Meganobz is 450 point but 40 attacks (50 on waaagh). A Power Fist requires 2 hits to kill one meganob, in the least a meganob takes 1-3 attacks per kill. Both termies and meganobs hit on 4+ but termies are 3+ and megas are 2+ on wounding. I'm honestly not sure why they've made the vehicle damage weapons the d3 weapons (like the chainfist) but looks like thats what they are doing this edition. *Edited* Forgot to add both get a 5+ save.
IMO it's actually a good change as it now gives you an actual choice between the two. Do you take the better AP and the more swingy damage, or the lower AP but the more consistent damage? It's an actual choice that you have to think about now!
@@slow_runner I'm not sure why anyone would pay the points for the killsaws anymore. Sure you get an extra attack but it costs 10 points for the two killsaws you need for that bonus. That's almost a 30% price increase over the regular meganobz. And you lose all your shooting for it.
Love the green look able to post what you used for paint
Regarding boys:
Reroll 1s for attrition tests?
10 or more models pass morale on an unmodified 4+
I SEE ORKS, I CLICK.
I SEE BEARD, I CLICK.
I SEE BOTH, WE KRUMP.
No real homeworld for Orks. But Ullanor is the planet from the Beast book. Also the place where Emperor announced Horus as the Warmaster after they defeated the largest Ork empire based on Ullanor
Actual intel!!!! Very useful) thanks guys
Boyz before we’re terrible in units of 30, because whilst they may not have run, they died really quickly and hit like a feather. Now they are tougher and hit much better. A few will run every time they take morale, but not that many and you are losing less to start with because of the increased toughness, so hordes are much more usable than they were
Chef how did you forget about Ullanor? haha, Ork homeworld...
aka Armageddon, bit of history there and why Orks will ultimately in the distant future win that campaign (Though really Orks don't have a homeworld)
Fantastic banter chaps
Hold on hold on! We're making jurassork Park references and we didn't use "must go faster, must go faster!"
For shame
My preference for mob rule would be Orks caring less about the number of Orks that died. D6 plus half the number of models killed vs leadership would feel a lot more Orky to me.
anyone know how in the world they got that green for the ork armor? i absolutely love it
I am actually going to test boyz in MSU. Like 12 of them. We shall see how it works.
IM 'ARD ALREADY
The Ork superheavy list is absolutely hilarious as freebootas or blood axes
Jurassic Park Narrative Campaign! I'd pay for that!
You forgot to mention that Thrakka can only ride in Battlewagon if only with Goff clan. No other battlewagon for him which is sad
Here's me with 50 grots on my paint table.
I'm liking a lot of the ork stuff from what I've seen! But the mob rule thing is a big kick in the lore teeth and really seems to discourage horde play style which is core to orky goodness :/ can't say any opponent complained about my boys not running away in exchange for the old breaking eads rule. Loving the deep dives and reviews!
Ye and if want to go big unit ned to have in batlewagons to surive 1-2 turns
You guys read out the top 5 units and it was liked you'd read my army list out...... 😎😎
Love this episode. Jurasic P'ork'.....LOVE IT
Morale in general is a huuuge issue now for many units. Im running more 10 model blobs now to max out the use of the new mob rule and evade high morale losses. Same for the squig-hog boys, mek gunzs etc.. Just small units otherwise chances are way to high to have big morale losses. That said, i prefer beast snagga boyz in that size over the normal boyz. Only normal boyz i have are trukk-boyz. A real shame 😔
Waiting 4 the codex.... like to see more of this
I don`t quite get the argument, that it`s better to run a small unit of boyz instead of a big one, due to morale. Since the damage depends on the attacking unit, you will loose the same amount of boyz, regardless of the size of the unit. If you fail the morale test, you will loose another model + x models. The chance of rolling 1s is the always the same per dice. A squad of 10 boyz is wiped out in no time, a bigger squad has at least the chance to survive longer to reach the enemy or hold an objective for another 1 or 2 rounds. I get the point though, that it is less attractive for the other player to concentrate the fire on a smaller unit. On the other hand, these are shots not fired on other (more valuable?) units...
What no deff dreads in best ones for 85ppm?
OMG now i wanna collect Orks and make a massive Throne Battlewagon for Ghazghkull :D
Was ullanor the ork homeworld?
Man you guys don't understand about the flash gitz. Theres so much Dakka and so much pain. I feel like the freebooterz get a bad rep but yeah put them in a battlewagon put kaptin bad Ruk and a big mek in there park it up front and shoot everything that moves. Honestly they are just so good and lots of fun plus you know there I pirates. I also feel like they have good sinagey with mek gunz and big mekz also Lootas are pretty nice. It's very much building a Ork fort but it is fun! You should try it!
Love orks but I'm disappointed with the codex. Think I will give 9th ed. orks a miss, for now, and wait to see what changes take place to their codex.
Dice is a countable noun. It is *fewer* dice; not less.
IMO shoota boyz still have utility. Beast snaggas are better than sluggas though.
Pound per pound, yes, beast snaggas are better than sluggas. But they don't have access to the same variety of weapons as a regular nob leader, and an extra 2 points per model adds up really damn quick when you're running hordes
Hey guys, love the content....but why so silent on 1k sons?
Not silent, we’ve filmed those too, just have to spread the releases out :)
Can't believe you missed the chance of calling it Jurorkish Park...
Have you guys ever considered doing some Kings of war stuff?
Great video boys
With the smasha guns they get a 48in range. Wouldn't that be a lil more helpful
Not really. The board size dropped for this edition so the extra range isn't that valuable.
Shocking they make the newest models some of the best, i mean absolutely shocking
Hmm, it's almost as if 40k is a model brand not a game brand.
Im always getting jurassic park and home alone mixed up!
Ullanor is the orc "home" world, or at least ancestral capital. The emperor battered it to kick off the Great Crusade
fyi its known as Armageddon now :)
the only the 6++ on squighog boys makes them infinitely better than outriders, despite all the other stats
Grots cost THE SAME as Imperial guardsmen, who have obsec, better WS, stronger, better save, better ranged weapons... Grots have no reason to be 5 points.
Technically guardsmen are 5.5 pts :P
As some would claim, that extra 0.5 makes all the difference!
Yeah grots are basically worthless now and the Runtherd is way too many points too he should never be more than 18pts he's currently 35pts with a squighound which is basically essential to stop them all disappearing immediately.
To be fair IG are still on 8th edition, I get the feeling they won't have ob sec nor the same points somehow
@@josephrigley8974 But the Deathskulls version has obsec. So he can hide in a huge mob of grots and contest objectives. And if anyone with obsec rocks up the grots provide the model count for the ties. Not saying it makes them good but it's not the absolute worst combination of units in the game.
sounds like models I got 15-20 years ago have been replaced by better models with better stats (same as the SM)
I did hate playing against Ork armies full of grots two years ago
Unlike SM, our regular Ork Boys are getting new models too, not just the beast snaggas.
I'm def annoyed about the whole morale thing if they had just given out breakin heads as a general rule for nobz and warbosses it would be fine but making it a 2cp stratagem is just willfully bad design.
Not really. They're not supposed to have good morale.
@@DT-ce1fb Grots should have bad morale, huge hordes of Orks should be fine and individual Orks less so.
Ghaz has been hard nerfed. Sure he can call a great waaagh but mixing infantry and vehicles was, in previous codex not a good idea. He only fits in to so many different great builds that can benefit from both waaaghs.
But his worst offender is, that he cant be healed anymore. mix that with the fact he is now slower as you can only advance and charge once with him during the waaagh and not always, that means you have a slower ghaz, who cant be healed, and doesnt buff boys as much as he used to.
Don't forget that since he's a monster this means in CQC he gets to fire his Morks Roar every round in combat too though.
@@dwarfy2k264 he could always do that
@@danielhammer619 What rule was that? I've never seen that rule from 8th or even 7th
@@dwarfy2k264 hes monster. Rule is called big guns never tire
@@danielhammer619 if memory serves, he couldn't do that in 8th edition mate. Might want to go crack open your 8e rulebook
I remember when I made a boy squad fail a leadership 30 test... good times
I failed a two inch charge with a re-roll once back in 7th.
Can we have a reading of the entire Jurassic park movie in ork voice please?
I disagree on the verdict for the flash gitz. They may not look good at first glance - but they're wonderful as badmoons.
Heavy weapons makes them range 30
Badmoons strat makes 6's hit twice
Flashgitz strat makes them shoot twice (and still hit twice on 6's)
lucky 6's to wound makes the shot ap -3
and yes, im aware that they're probably only good in badmoons lists, but that's ok. Other units are better in some of the other clans, and that's how it shuld be.
I need to correct you there, 6's increase AP by 1 not hit twice. For me I'd rather just run Loota's as they are like almost half the points and their gun is just better specially with Badmoons too.
They can'r use the Bad Moons strat they don't have dakka weapons and they aren't CORE units
@@Pak32man Bad moons effects both Dakka and Heavy. Also the ability doesn't just effect core units it effects all units that are not gretchin
@@Pak32man Aw, you're right, they aren't core. Oh well, then it's just shoot twice with the flashgitz strat, and hope for 6's to wound
@@dwarfy2k264 yeah, I messed up. they arent core, so "showin' off" can't be used on them
The BBONE should be here :(
Engagement for the engagement gods!
We need codex Grot
Why does Chef always remind me of Mathew Baynton?
Chef used to remind me of Corvus Corax until he got his fringe trimmed.