i picked up a dell optiplex 9020 with i7 4790, 8gb ram, 128 gb ssd, 500 gb hdd for equivalent to 34 usd, it was a steal edit: i would also advise against a newer optiplex than that because they really aren't much of an upgrade from an i7 4790 to i7 7700 plus if you have an sff you cant get a graphics card better than a rx 6400/gtx 1650
Just ordered one for £65 with i5 4570, 8gb ram, 1tb HDD. It is ATX form factor as are all optiplex models who's model number ends in 20. I've ordered a refurb Corsair CX550 for £40 delivered and have a brand new 120GB SSD I paid £11.50 for a week ago. Got a GTX 1070 to pop in for £115 which I've been using on my main rig for 2 months since I bought it. It's project to prove decent gaming can be done for peanuts, just need a 24 to 8 pin adapter for PSU which is £5. I'm not looking to recoup money, I usually pay close to £200 for just memory, I've got coolers that were over £100. I'm running ROG mobo's and never use more than 2 SATA ports. A quick, lap and delid will sort cpu cooling especially with a drop of Thermal Grizzly. The fans are easy enough to upgrade. PC's are simple enough, try modding a car or motorcycle and want to improve handling as well as speed and keep practicality if you want real headaches. This whole project will be cheaper than a single crash and breakdown free trackday. At least with a PC for every gain you don't usually have to sacrifice something somewhere else.
One of these with a 1650 = amazing pc for most people to do almost anything and play almost any game. Get a 2tb external HDD for storage / backup, and you have a great pc for like $300.
@@Britec09 If you get the right optiplex you can grab a 1660 super for 100$ on ebay. You’re looking at 250$ for an i7 4770 16gb of ram an ssd and a 1660 for less than the price of a new 1660. You also don’t always need to change the power supply either. Never mind the fact an a2000 is essentially a 75w rtx 3050. You’re intentionally using older optiplex that are only like 20$ less and 300$ CAD isn’t comparable isnt comparable to 400+ Euro that’s over double the price.
The mini tower versions are definitely a viable option as long as you do your research as they have room for bigger graphics cards. You'll definitely want to add the larger power supply but there are guides to pick the correct one. It'll only need an adapter cable, no physical case modding. With SSD prices continuing to fall, your main expense will be a used graphics card.
I've got a 3020 MT, i5-4590, with a gtx 1050ti, just upgraded the ram today from 8gb to 16gb ddr3 1600 MHz, and it honestly can run most AAA titles reasonable well!
@@zeroturn7091 I love the sleeper aesthetics! Cases are limited, but I've made it work with a SSD and a 2tb HDD! So much better then my previous "gaming" pc
For about a month now, I've been running an Optiplex 3050 MT i5 7500 I scooped up for $85 on ebay with $20 shipping. I put 16 gb of ram in it. a 1 tb M.2 drive and a 1660 Ti i got for $140 used on ebay as well. I bought the $15 bigger sized air cooler from microcenter and it never has to rev up to audible levels lol. The 1660 Ti is powered from a Sata to Pcie power adapter. it works well overclocked 200 mhz on gpu and 1000 mhz on the gpu memory, any more and it will trip the PSU lol. She runs Fornite at 200 FPS all day and the hottest i can get it is 79 degrees running The Witcher 3 with pretty high settings. The i5-7500 is the bottleneck of the set up, im considering a 7700 or 7700k but I'll be modding it to accept a 500 watt PSU i got for cheap on cyber monday.
Dell Optiplex is a well made system -- and I have been buying ultra cheap older used ones, and they typically last 8-10 years. I use this just for e-mails, TH-cam and browsing only. I don't play games on this. My current one is an OptiPlex 3010 (manufactured in 2012, bought about 5 years go) and is expected to fail soon. Had a "3 4" error in 2023, and now 1 DIMM slot has gone unreliable. With the Windows 11 situation, I believe CPUs as old as 2018 might work fine. I am considering buying a brand new 2022 OptiPlex with i5, if I could avail of some discounts. If I buy, my expectation would be to keep this for the next 10 years :-)
😏👍 broh, this 7040 i5 6500 will automatically Activate to Win 11 Pro for free, make sure its already activated with Windows 10 and then simply clean install from jump drive
My son bought a used generic computer on Ebay, from a company that buys mostly government computers, checks them out, and does little upgrades like Ram and SSD cards. He got lucky and found one with a fairly good graphics card. He is very happy. The downside, is it's prob limited to Win 10. I was considering buying one too, but found that few had graphics cards and if they did, they were very old and limited. I'm not a gamer and I'd be OK with running Linux in the future and thought that something like a Dell with 16Gb of Ram would be good, but slowly, I'd started to go cold on the idea. Ultimately, I think I'd be happier with something that gave me more options in the future. You video has helped me understand the issues a bit better. Thank you.
I feel like this is a bad take... you can easily build a budget gaming pc for $200ish dollars in an OptiPlex if you purchase the right ones. 4th gen xeons are dirt cheap and 4 cores 8 threads at 3.8 ghz is still plenty for 1080p gaming.
Iv just bought the 7060 optiplex and upgrade the ram t0 16 gigs and a 750 ti which I will swap out when I can but it run battlefield 2042 no issues best wee pc iv ever bought
Just tested my Dell shitbox for the first time today gaming. Will just about pull a solid 60fps on War Thunder at max settings. It has a GTX 1070, 120gb SSD, 1TB HDD, 550w Corsair PSU, i5 Haswell, 8gb 1600 DDR3 and cost just under £250 in total. I replaced the thermal paste on the CPU with Thermal Grizzly, cleaned the heatsink and fans as well as got rid of all the dust in the case. Runs at sub 50 degrees C on CPU with 15 degree room temp. I've yet to do a gameplay video with OBS running but will do soon, I think frames might drop a bit and CPU temp will go up. For the money the Dell Optiplex 3020 build is as good as it gets for a £65 base rig.
rx 6400 consumes 53W and in techpowerup its recommended 250W PSU . So in this instance it should be fine .I think all gpu's that don't have power conectors and consume from 30W TO 60-75W should't have any issues on those prebuilds if you could get one on a good bargain and in working condition ofcourse . People should also keep in mind that the old systems have most likely pci-e express slot gen 3 or even gen 2 depends how old it is ,and they can bottleneck newer gpu's like rx6400 and 6500 .
its about 200 watts max if u 100% both cpu n gpu, which nobody is going to do, so pickup the 6400 or 1030 or 550 or something and game on, Adapt Improvise Overcome!
Systems like that are what I call the elderly computers. If you have older parents or other relatives that all they do is pay bills, play solitaire, check email, and other basic tasks they will do fine
I know, but you have to take into account people ripped off as well. Information is key when buying stuff, how would you feel if you only had $350 and got one to find out it some of the points I talked about? or its an new case with a dell system inside?
Some very old MT machines (like 7010, 790) have standard ATX PSUs as well as standard M-ATX motherboards. If you like the aesthetic or tooless design of those cases and will replace the motherboard anyway, I'd say it's worth it. But then again the x010s don't have usb-c on the front panel, the x90s don't even have usb3 type A, so have fun replacing those.
Haven’t met anyone that needed usb-c and couldn’t just use an adapter. Personally I don’t need usb c at all..Those aren’t “very old” either I’ve got a gx620 and 745 mt’s still in use.
It's all about what you get for that $200-ish investment, even in 2023. You're effectively getting your foot solidly in the door to decent gaming experiences right out of the box and these systems typically come with great potential for upgrading. I recently set aside a planned low-end build under $400 as I opted to snag a $250 Dell Optiplex 7050 sporting the awesome Core i7-7700 and a nice M.2 slot for a bootable NVMe. I'll be adding 64Gbs of low latency DDR4-2400 RAM and moving the OS over to a 1Tb NVMe SSD when the pc arrives from Amazon. I lose a little PCIe performance by setting aside the planned modern PCIe 4.0 board but what I end up with is a fully maxed out, commercial-grade pc that's ready to be moved over to a new case with a standard ATX psu and a GeForce GTX 1070 gpu to boost frame rates when the user's ready to step into more intense gaming, all for about the same cost of the planned build at baseline with the same cpu, a quarter of the RAM and initial reliance on integrated graphics pending the addition of a compatible gpu costing another $500. If building for a budget of less than $500 overall, the refurbished Optiplex seems to be the way to go. At best, to get similar specs and a slight performance boost over PCIe 3.0, I had to project a cost of about $1000 and that still included a used Core i7-7700 since they're still selling at and above $200 at retail. What can I say. It was and still is a great processor, even more so today if you consider the power consumption to performance ratio. Taking into consideration all the valid points of the OP, though, my best advice when committing to going in this direction is to use it as a stepping stone for the purpose of, like I said, getting in the door to decent gaming. Maxing out the RAM costs about $120 today for DDR4-2400 with a CL of something like 16, which isn't bad at all. Use the onboard graphics for as long as you want. Add your NVMe and bulk storage SSDs and just have fun with it. When the time is right, you'll get yourself a modern compatible motherboard that supports that Dell's processor, something that's designed for gaming that also comes with PCIe 4.0, and you'll get a decent ATX12V psu and another case. Move your RAM, SSDs and that glorious CPU over to the new motherboard / case / psu, toss in the modern GPU of your choosing and you've effectively achieved a system that will serve you well for upwards of another decade, so far as you don't mind running on an OS that's no longer supported by its developer. Then you can turn around and find yourself another CPU on the cheap, reinstall the stock RAM that came with the Optiplex, put back all the stock drives and resell that stepping-stone system to maybe recoup some or all of your initial investment. After all, there are still servers from decades ago chugging away on Windows XP simply because they still can. There would be absolutely nothing wrong with expecting these Optiplex workhorses to continue being valuable assets as home entertainment servers and low-volume web servers for those who want to have low-maintenance, low-power solutions for those needs.
I now have HP Elitedesk 800 G2, but the full tower version (final one at PB Tech). It was already beefed up with 512GB SSD, 16GB RAM with i5 6500. However: Because the motherboard and BIOS are still proprietary, I can't overclock the CPU or RAM. I did get MSI GTX 1050 without external power for my GPU, which is fine... when that isn't overclocked, either.
For a couple / few hundred bucks, you got an amazing PC that will do basically everything for now and a few more years too! Good job on being a smart consumer!
I'm looking at a cheap Optiplex 5040 with an i3 which I'd upgrade to an i5. The Skylake is a big upgrade from Haswell in my experience. I'll throw the motherboard into a bigger dell ATX size case and add decent PSU and GPU.
I put a 1650 in my pro desk similar processor and I also bought it with 16gb ram and an SSD I put 4gb more ram cuz I had it lying around and I get GREAT 2K 60 FPS on it.
Older Optiplexes such as 7010 MT use standard PSUs so should be fine for gaming. I recently bought one for a i7-2600K I had lying around. Added 16 GB, Radeon 7790 (haven't played anything on it yet, it should handle WoW on low details) and 2x 3.5+2.5" disk bays. So far running fine (mostly as a NAS / disk copier) with Windows 10. The only issue I had is that I couldn't find a way to enable SATA hot plugging. I bought it for ~55 USD with cpu/ram/cd removed and with intact 7 Pro sticker on Allegro (local E-Bay equivalent). Visually it's 4/5, some scratches but no dents.
☺️ Hi Brit, i picked up one of these to tinker for cheap at Microcenter, it had Win 10 Pro Activated, i plugged in my Win 11 iso and clean installed, Win 11 automatically updated n is Activated to 11 Pro once it had Internet. I have an old RX 550 and it works in this, for older games it seems to run just fine. Cyberpunk 2077 will run and will never crash but it runs 25fps to 30fps at the lowest resolution, i mean really really low. The oem bios is tweaked, if u max the cpu & gpu u can only get 200W so u dont have to change the power supply, i think these are good to gift to kids & boomers, throw on Doom & Prodeus, so they can get their feet wet
At the end of the day you get what you pay for. Cheap PCs, even reconditioned ones, are a classic example of this. Run-of-the-mill PCs where only browsing and video playback (including TH-cam) are needed will run on virtually anything, but once you try to push it (even a little), you will be left sadly disappointed.
Bottom Line: Optiplex units are for standard business use. I use a lot of these at my company. You may find some companies that sell special higher wattage power supplies that do fit the case, but the cost is just not worth it. If you would to this route of buying used, you are better off looking for a Precision series model. They normally will have a bigger power supply.
Well nothing else is as widely available and cheap as optiplexes - with lockdown and hybrid working becoming the norm there is a dearth of old units being sold cheap left and right. They also have enough power to run lower power GPUs like the 1650 and 6400 - which fits the budget nature of these "thrown together" gaming PC conversions. All together you get a machine where virtually every game is playable at 1080p, which isn't bad. With every other business unit conversion, you are in the price territory of being better to just build an entry level PC from scratch.
Actually windows 11 gets security updates on “incompatible” computers. The mini tower versions are definitely worth it IMO. Super good value and specs compared to a $300 junk machine.
I have a OPTIPLEX 7010 MT refurbished computer.With a Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470 CPU 3.20GHZ. 16.0GB RAM , 4 hard drives , with all most 6TB of storage .A more powerfull power supply . A grafice card that pushes 3 moniters .And no it is not in its original case . DIY er The computer is built into my corner desk . Not the best but serves me well. PS. Over size colling fan for the CPU .
ANSWER IS YES!!! I buyed one with gtx 1650ti inside for $250 In Serbia where I live we have the best website for this kind of things if you are lucky you can get DEALS like DEALS :)
I went the opposite way. I bought a new Del Precision 3660 last month for £1k i3 12100, 16GB DDR5 4800, W680 chipset, Dell super cooling kit and a 500 watt Platinum 90+ PSU. Fast as hell with loads of upgrade potential. I also stuck a Radeon RX 6600 Dual in it too. Going to add a 12600K, extra 16GB of ram at some point and you can even upgrade the PSU to 1000W.
For about 250 USD, I was able to get an Optiplex MT 7050 and a GTX 1650 Super. It came with some 7th Gen i5, 16GB DDR4, a 250 GB NVME SSD, and a 240 watt PSU. It is indeed important to point out that due to its low watt, proprietary PSU and form factor, there is nearly no upgradability beyond this. That said, there is no other way to get a PC this capable for this low a cost, or even a modern console for that matter. My elderly dad plays the shit out of GTA, ESO, CIV, Minecraft, and retro games on emulators on it all at 1080p and 60~ FPS. If you only want to play games from the 2010s at 1080p, I can't recommend it enough to put a mid or low end GPU into an office workstation. There's just no beating the value for your money. Just make sure to not power an 8 pin PCI port(pulls up to 75 watts) with a single SATA(rated for 50 watts). Instead convert two SATAs into 6 pin PCI connectors then convert those into one 8 pin PCI
If people are on a really tight budget then personally id get a used PC from ebay or Facebook market place. Least then there is a chance it has a upgrade path.
It depends on what you want to play and at what resolution/FPS, if you only want to play stuff at 1080p and 45-60 FPS, have no more than one hard drive and one NVMe SSD, and use a stock CPU cooler then an Optiplex with a 130-watt-or-less-GPU can be perfectly serviceable. But if you have any inkling at all of eventually upgrading to a high end GPU or several storage drives, get a custom build. The Optiplex has a proprietary PSU that will keep you from ever having more than 240 watts worth of parts
I just replaced my Dell Optiplex 9020 8g of ram with the Optiplex 3070 16g ram and graphics card which came out in 2019 for $750,00 NZ dollars, I didn't want a brand new PC I wanted Win-10 not Win-11, Its my third Optiplex Tower PC and I could't be more happy with it, They are fully refurbished pc's and in great condition from the place where i purchased them from, System Specs: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9500 CPU @ 3.00GHz 3000MHz 6 Cores, 6 Logical Pro
im getting the Dell OptiPlex Computer Desktop PC, Intel Core i5 3rd Gen 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD, New 22 Inch LED Monitor, RGB Keyboard and Mouse, WiFi, Windows 10 Pro is that good?
Hi sir do you think I should buy a Dell Optiplex 3080 micro i5 10500t would it be good for heavy chrome browsing , online class , excel & word open at the same time full load and would last like 3-5yrs
The newer Ryzen 9 6900hx processors are even better than the 5600g now, I'm thinking of buying a low power usage mini pc soon. I do game but at 1080p only, so I don't need a super fandango gfx card anymore.
@@AlexHusTech just installed a 1660 super for way cheaper haha. returning the 6 pin mini cable for a 6 pin to 8 pin pcie adapter cus it didnt work well with dell bios. even without using it, the card's fans spin to life
@@txic.4818 Good stuff! Glad it worked with the 365W, PSU, I'm going to get the dual 6 pin PCIE to 8 pin, hopefully goes smooth, hoping to connect it to a 5500XT initially & then see if I can upgrade to a 5700XT.
Some Of These Come With A 180 Watt PSU!! The 5040 Is DDR3L But My 7040 Has DDR4 2400 MHZ's My 7060 Has DDR4 2666 MHZ's RAM! Most Of These Machines Will Be Great if You Put A NVMe Drive In them ! The case Does Not Really Matter if it Is Scratched but they came Out Of An Office And Had Nothing Plugged Into the Front Ports!!!!
im building a 3020 and i didnt have to mod any power cables i got the low profile 1650 gpu and put it in and get 1080 gameplay so i had way less than 200 bucks
@@Britec09 I worked for a family owned PC business for five years when I lived in Florida, and I'm currently building custom gaming PCs for people in my local area.
Had to deal with ex office Acer computer, had to get proprietary os iso disk to reinstall properly and has an issue with a sata port so had to disconnect the DVD drive as it only has 2 sata ports.
never buy a sff why even look i had 3 all burnt down lol over time them power supplies are known to be junk. invest in a 7020 or something with 4 ram slots
wrong i have a 7020 an aftermarket 700 watt psu fit right in it i had to buy an 8 dollar adapter for the mother board but thats it i gave 80 for the 7020 50 for the rx550 4gb ram was free i have many optiplexs so currently has 16 gb ram. the psu costed 30 bucks off facebook. so basically under 200 bucks i have a good little starter pc i play rd2 and gta5. gta5 gets 60-70 fps
'Pros' and cons... Proceeds to totally sh*t on everything😅😂! Firstly, I wonder how u come up with those prices. Who's paying £200 for a sff prebuilt lol(no TH-camr ever recommends that)? You can get a prebuilt for around $60(mid-tower) with i7 4th gen, 8gb ram, 500gb hdd & 290w PSU(standard psu). So if u tight on budget, for about $150 u can get a decent system for cheap(no modding!) Now that's a recommendable no-brainer Also, almost all older MT optiplexes(3020, 7010, 7020, 9020 etc, which U-tubers recommend) come with a standard PSU...easy swap😊!! I guess the gist of it is, do ur research before buying anything or making critique videos. No pun intended, just saying!
Yes Brian I reckon these machines are pretty awful when it comes to specs and who wants to mess around trying to fit a larger power supply for example. Better off buying a prebuilt or better still a custom made machine where you can conform it to your budget..
They prey on the ignorant people out there. Most people really are clueless as to what goes into a computer let alone how one works. They could watch hundreds of videos and still be completely clueless. They just see a fully built computer for a cheap price, not knowing they are getting a better paper weight than a computer. Now these might be great if you are just going to use it for access to social media sites but not play any demanding games on it. So, they will have a place just not what people are expecting.
The specs on these aren't bad... I used my last laptop for over 7 years! I only stopped using it because it started having some thermal issues. 14" laptop. I7-4710hq, 16gb ram, 2.5" ssd, 860m video card. Still amazing computer that did all I need (games and 4kx60 editing / rendering). A desktop like this with a Nvidia 1650 added would be great for most people!
@@earthling1984 As long as you are not setting your expectations too high you are right. They would be good for moderate and maybe some AAA games on low settings. But for the "facebook" gamer these would be great as is. They would rock at candy crush and Farmville!!
@@jonesgang They would be better than my laptop was. And my laptop played Fortnite, CS:Go, Pubg, Forza, and more. I agree wouldn't be playing the newest games on a 4k monitor. But 1080 with medium settings should play most new games. And max out older games. Not super future proof. But good for a few years for cheap. I admit I built my own PC after my laptop though. B550m, 5800x, 32gb ram, m.2 drives, 1650 (plenty good for what I play, may upgrade gpu in future if needed. GPU's were expensive when I built). But really for $300 or less I could have replaced my laptop and had something even better than the laptop was. And honestly right now is the best time for a low cost system like this. DDR5 is going to make everyone get a new machine in a few years.
@0:08 I am using all stock, no gpu n clocking just bare bone I guess, because I don't use for games, if I want games I just buy a freaking dedicated gaming system, I just can't work with crap like that on there or here lol
@Britec09 first good day teacher @0:08 but I am currently running win11 on old optiplex 745 intel duo, have win10 on old optiplex 760 intel duo both around 3.0ghz cpu with 5 gb on ram 500 gb hdd they run fine for what I need them to do, but I will say with the 1 I installed win 11 on, for being nosey on-line it's fine but had to get around security feature to work so under no situation would I bank or classify anything on it, but The Clintons might like that though ROFLMOAO, have old inspiron 531s with win10 single core it does not like, if remember they came only with vista x32 and even win10 x32 does not like the one cell brain cpu even at 2ghz rofl, to open any window on it, click now make coffee eggs bacon and bread and it might be opened when done ROFLMOAO I am just old junkie at heart, can't stand death on anything
@@Britec09 Amen, it is I guess you could say the go to too learn or break, it did surprise me win11 is stilling running for about 11 maybe 12 months now, I'd have too look at speccy to find actual install date, but I had many said "IT CAN'T BE DONE" hold my coffee lmao to me we all learning, whats the point if everyone knows everything, life would be to boring for me too carry on rofl I love the adventure of a challenge, thanks for all you and your team do, have a good one
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Got a dell OptiPlex? what spec is it? let me know below.
no and here is why
dell uses parts that are proprietary that you will not easily upgrade and thus
ya get stung for upgrading any part of it
i picked up a dell optiplex 9020 with i7 4790, 8gb ram, 128 gb ssd, 500 gb hdd for equivalent to 34 usd, it was a steal
edit: i would also advise against a newer optiplex than that because they really aren't much of an upgrade from an i7 4790 to i7 7700 plus if you have an sff you cant get a graphics card better than a rx 6400/gtx 1650
@@randomgamingin144p
34 usd SURE YA DID LOLOL
@@randomgamingin144p did the vendor have a hoodie on and wear dark sunglasses and ask ya to meet him in ally
Just ordered one for £65 with i5 4570, 8gb ram, 1tb HDD. It is ATX form factor as are all optiplex models who's model number ends in 20. I've ordered a refurb Corsair CX550 for £40 delivered and have a brand new 120GB SSD I paid £11.50 for a week ago. Got a GTX 1070 to pop in for £115 which I've been using on my main rig for 2 months since I bought it.
It's project to prove decent gaming can be done for peanuts, just need a 24 to 8 pin adapter for PSU which is £5.
I'm not looking to recoup money, I usually pay close to £200 for just memory, I've got coolers that were over £100. I'm running ROG mobo's and never use more than 2 SATA ports. A quick, lap and delid will sort cpu cooling especially with a drop of Thermal Grizzly. The fans are easy enough to upgrade. PC's are simple enough, try modding a car or motorcycle and want to improve handling as well as speed and keep practicality if you want real headaches. This whole project will be cheaper than a single crash and breakdown free trackday. At least with a PC for every gain you don't usually have to sacrifice something somewhere else.
One of these with a 1650 = amazing pc for most people to do almost anything and play almost any game. Get a 2tb external HDD for storage / backup, and you have a great pc for like $300.
😏 you will need a 5 TB external hard drive for 900 games off of GOG
@@MrSamadolfo What are you talking about?
For non-gaming use, these PCs are still fine especially if one doesn't use Windows as the OS, just put a low-profile GT1030, then you're good to go.
I agree, you can still pick them up cheap for general use
@@Britec09 i did bought one for using as a small nas/plexserver computer, and does work well.
Win 11 works, low profile rx works, just stick to older games such as Prodeus or Tomb Raider 2013 or Bioshock or Dishonored , etc , chkout GOG
@@Britec09 If you get the right optiplex you can grab a 1660 super for 100$ on ebay. You’re looking at 250$ for an i7 4770 16gb of ram an ssd and a 1660 for less than the price of a new 1660. You also don’t always need to change the power supply either. Never mind the fact an a2000 is essentially a 75w rtx 3050. You’re intentionally using older optiplex that are only like 20$ less and 300$ CAD isn’t comparable isnt comparable to 400+ Euro that’s over double the price.
These pcs are amazing
The mini tower versions are definitely a viable option as long as you do your research as they have room for bigger graphics cards. You'll definitely want to add the larger power supply but there are guides to pick the correct one. It'll only need an adapter cable, no physical case modding. With SSD prices continuing to fall, your main expense will be a used graphics card.
I've got a 3020 MT, i5-4590, with a gtx 1050ti, just upgraded the ram today from 8gb to 16gb ddr3 1600 MHz, and it honestly can run most AAA titles reasonable well!
I also have a 3020 MT with a 5600X, RX6600, and 16GB DDR4 4000MHz. The cases have their limitations, but I prefer their aesthetics.
@@zeroturn7091 can the 3020 actually use ddr4!?
@@zeroturn7091 I love the sleeper aesthetics! Cases are limited, but I've made it work with a SSD and a 2tb HDD! So much better then my previous "gaming" pc
@@tjmrsy not in its stock configuration. I did a motherboard swap. It’s not presentable, but I have it on my channel.
Elitedesk hp 800 g1 vs dell optiplex 3020, which better?
For about a month now, I've been running an Optiplex 3050 MT i5 7500 I scooped up for $85 on ebay with $20 shipping. I put 16 gb of ram in it. a 1 tb M.2 drive and a 1660 Ti i got for $140 used on ebay as well. I bought the $15 bigger sized air cooler from microcenter and it never has to rev up to audible levels lol. The 1660 Ti is powered from a Sata to Pcie power adapter. it works well overclocked 200 mhz on gpu and 1000 mhz on the gpu memory, any more and it will trip the PSU lol. She runs Fornite at 200 FPS all day and the hottest i can get it is 79 degrees running The Witcher 3 with pretty high settings. The i5-7500 is the bottleneck of the set up, im considering a 7700 or 7700k but I'll be modding it to accept a 500 watt PSU i got for cheap on cyber monday.
😏👍 u have the bug, keep it going
Good informative video Brian. For what it is worth my opinion is save your money and put it towards something better.
Absolutely
Modding is apart of the game, you still save more this way....
Dell Optiplex is a well made system -- and I have been buying ultra cheap older used ones, and they typically last 8-10 years. I use this just for e-mails, TH-cam and browsing only. I don't play games on this. My current one is an OptiPlex 3010 (manufactured in 2012, bought about 5 years go) and is expected to fail soon. Had a "3 4" error in 2023, and now 1 DIMM slot has gone unreliable.
With the Windows 11 situation, I believe CPUs as old as 2018 might work fine. I am considering buying a brand new 2022 OptiPlex with i5, if I could avail of some discounts. If I buy, my expectation would be to keep this for the next 10 years :-)
😏👍 broh, this 7040 i5 6500 will automatically Activate to Win 11 Pro for free, make sure its already activated with Windows 10 and then simply clean install from jump drive
My son bought a used generic computer on Ebay, from a company that buys mostly government computers, checks them out, and does little upgrades like Ram and SSD cards. He got lucky and found one with a fairly good graphics card. He is very happy. The downside, is it's prob limited to Win 10.
I was considering buying one too, but found that few had graphics cards and if they did, they were very old and limited. I'm not a gamer and I'd be OK with running Linux in the future and thought that something like a Dell with 16Gb of Ram would be good, but slowly, I'd started to go cold on the idea. Ultimately, I think I'd be happier with something that gave me more options in the future.
You video has helped me understand the issues a bit better. Thank you.
I feel like this is a bad take... you can easily build a budget gaming pc for $200ish dollars in an OptiPlex if you purchase the right ones. 4th gen xeons are dirt cheap and 4 cores 8 threads at 3.8 ghz is still plenty for 1080p gaming.
Iv just bought the 7060 optiplex and upgrade the ram t0 16 gigs and a 750 ti which I will swap out when I can but it run battlefield 2042 no issues best wee pc iv ever bought
TBH the only think I like about the Dell Optiplex is the aesthetic. Using a an Optiplex case for a stock looking sleeper with a ryzen system inside!
Great video my friend, have a happy Sunday👍
Thanks, you too
Just tested my Dell shitbox for the first time today gaming. Will just about pull a solid 60fps on War Thunder at max settings. It has a GTX 1070, 120gb SSD, 1TB HDD, 550w Corsair PSU, i5 Haswell, 8gb 1600 DDR3 and cost just under £250 in total. I replaced the thermal paste on the CPU with Thermal Grizzly, cleaned the heatsink and fans as well as got rid of all the dust in the case. Runs at sub 50 degrees C on CPU with 15 degree room temp. I've yet to do a gameplay video with OBS running but will do soon, I think frames might drop a bit and CPU temp will go up. For the money the Dell Optiplex 3020 build is as good as it gets for a £65 base rig.
I bought a 3080 SFF and put a low profile GPU in it. I use it to play retro games with the Dolphin emulator.
What GPU did you go with Nick?
@@Britec09 XFX Speedster SWFT105 Radeon RX 6400 Gaming Graphics Card with 4GB GDDR6, AMD RDNA 2 RX-64XL4SFG2
rx 6400 consumes 53W and in techpowerup its recommended 250W PSU . So in this instance it should be fine .I think all gpu's that don't have power conectors and consume from 30W TO 60-75W should't have any issues on those prebuilds if you could get one on a good bargain and in working condition ofcourse . People should also keep in mind that the old systems have most likely pci-e express slot gen 3 or even gen 2 depends how old it is ,and they can bottleneck newer gpu's like rx6400 and 6500 .
I will soon see, just got one
Been building and using these for years no problems at all....
@@Britec09 can’t wait to see that video!
its about 200 watts max if u 100% both cpu n gpu, which nobody is going to do, so pickup the 6400 or 1030 or 550 or something and game on, Adapt Improvise Overcome!
Systems like that are what I call the elderly computers. If you have older parents or other relatives that all they do is pay bills, play solitaire, check email, and other basic tasks they will do fine
I agree
I use mine for basic game playing, Stardew & Graveyard keeper. Reliable and low running cost.
Wow, you really took the fun out of it. It’s not always about the money.
I know, but you have to take into account people ripped off as well. Information is key when buying stuff, how would you feel if you only had $350 and got one to find out it some of the points I talked about? or its an new case with a dell system inside?
@@Britec09 i feel like i got ripped off i bought into the hype and now stuck trying to figure out how to upgrade when i just want to stream and game.
Some very old MT machines (like 7010, 790) have standard ATX PSUs as well as standard M-ATX motherboards. If you like the aesthetic or tooless design of those cases and will replace the motherboard anyway, I'd say it's worth it. But then again the x010s don't have usb-c on the front panel, the x90s don't even have usb3 type A, so have fun replacing those.
Haven’t met anyone that needed usb-c and couldn’t just use an adapter. Personally I don’t need usb c at all..Those aren’t “very old” either I’ve got a gx620 and 745 mt’s still in use.
It's all about what you get for that $200-ish investment, even in 2023. You're effectively getting your foot solidly in the door to decent gaming experiences right out of the box and these systems typically come with great potential for upgrading.
I recently set aside a planned low-end build under $400 as I opted to snag a $250 Dell Optiplex 7050 sporting the awesome Core i7-7700 and a nice M.2 slot for a bootable NVMe. I'll be adding 64Gbs of low latency DDR4-2400 RAM and moving the OS over to a 1Tb NVMe SSD when the pc arrives from Amazon.
I lose a little PCIe performance by setting aside the planned modern PCIe 4.0 board but what I end up with is a fully maxed out, commercial-grade pc that's ready to be moved over to a new case with a standard ATX psu and a GeForce GTX 1070 gpu to boost frame rates when the user's ready to step into more intense gaming, all for about the same cost of the planned build at baseline with the same cpu, a quarter of the RAM and initial reliance on integrated graphics pending the addition of a compatible gpu costing another $500.
If building for a budget of less than $500 overall, the refurbished Optiplex seems to be the way to go. At best, to get similar specs and a slight performance boost over PCIe 3.0, I had to project a cost of about $1000 and that still included a used Core i7-7700 since they're still selling at and above $200 at retail. What can I say. It was and still is a great processor, even more so today if you consider the power consumption to performance ratio.
Taking into consideration all the valid points of the OP, though, my best advice when committing to going in this direction is to use it as a stepping stone for the purpose of, like I said, getting in the door to decent gaming. Maxing out the RAM costs about $120 today for DDR4-2400 with a CL of something like 16, which isn't bad at all. Use the onboard graphics for as long as you want. Add your NVMe and bulk storage SSDs and just have fun with it. When the time is right, you'll get yourself a modern compatible motherboard that supports that Dell's processor, something that's designed for gaming that also comes with PCIe 4.0, and you'll get a decent ATX12V psu and another case. Move your RAM, SSDs and that glorious CPU over to the new motherboard / case / psu, toss in the modern GPU of your choosing and you've effectively achieved a system that will serve you well for upwards of another decade, so far as you don't mind running on an OS that's no longer supported by its developer.
Then you can turn around and find yourself another CPU on the cheap, reinstall the stock RAM that came with the Optiplex, put back all the stock drives and resell that stepping-stone system to maybe recoup some or all of your initial investment. After all, there are still servers from decades ago chugging away on Windows XP simply because they still can. There would be absolutely nothing wrong with expecting these Optiplex workhorses to continue being valuable assets as home entertainment servers and low-volume web servers for those who want to have low-maintenance, low-power solutions for those needs.
I now have HP Elitedesk 800 G2, but the full tower version (final one at PB Tech). It was already beefed up with 512GB SSD, 16GB RAM with i5 6500. However: Because the motherboard and BIOS are still proprietary, I can't overclock the CPU or RAM. I did get MSI GTX 1050 without external power for my GPU, which is fine... when that isn't overclocked, either.
For a couple / few hundred bucks, you got an amazing PC that will do basically everything for now and a few more years too! Good job on being a smart consumer!
I'm looking at a cheap Optiplex 5040 with an i3 which I'd upgrade to an i5. The Skylake is a big upgrade from Haswell in my experience. I'll throw the motherboard into a bigger dell ATX size case and add decent PSU and GPU.
😏👍 nice, theres plenty of classic games on GOG to keep u occupied, also steam n epic has free games
I put a 1650 in my pro desk similar processor and I also bought it with 16gb ram and an SSD I put 4gb more ram cuz I had it lying around and I get GREAT 2K 60 FPS on it.
Great video 😀
Older Optiplexes such as 7010 MT use standard PSUs so should be fine for gaming. I recently bought one for a i7-2600K I had lying around. Added 16 GB, Radeon 7790 (haven't played anything on it yet, it should handle WoW on low details) and 2x 3.5+2.5" disk bays. So far running fine (mostly as a NAS / disk copier) with Windows 10.
The only issue I had is that I couldn't find a way to enable SATA hot plugging.
I bought it for ~55 USD with cpu/ram/cd removed and with intact 7 Pro sticker on Allegro (local E-Bay equivalent). Visually it's 4/5, some scratches but no dents.
i7-2600K is a bit of a stretch in 2022 for gaming. bottle necks and micro stutter will happen, 100% C|PU usage when gaming.
Nice find, that platform has unbelievable potential.
☺️ Hi Brit, i picked up one of these to tinker for cheap at Microcenter, it had Win 10 Pro Activated, i plugged in my Win 11 iso and clean installed, Win 11 automatically updated n is Activated to 11 Pro once it had Internet. I have an old RX 550 and it works in this, for older games it seems to run just fine. Cyberpunk 2077 will run and will never crash but it runs 25fps to 30fps at the lowest resolution, i mean really really low. The oem bios is tweaked, if u max the cpu & gpu u can only get 200W so u dont have to change the power supply, i think these are good to gift to kids & boomers, throw on Doom & Prodeus, so they can get their feet wet
At the end of the day you get what you pay for. Cheap PCs, even reconditioned ones, are a classic example of this. Run-of-the-mill PCs where only browsing and video playback (including TH-cam) are needed will run on virtually anything, but once you try to push it (even a little), you will be left sadly disappointed.
Thanks for sharing
I beg to differ, it depends on the platform and how much you want to invest into upgrades of said machine.
Ppl in 2024
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Bottom Line: Optiplex units are for standard business use. I use a lot of these at my company. You may find some companies that sell special higher wattage power supplies that do fit the case, but the cost is just not worth it. If you would to this route of buying used, you are better off looking for a Precision series model. They normally will have a bigger power supply.
Well nothing else is as widely available and cheap as optiplexes - with lockdown and hybrid working becoming the norm there is a dearth of old units being sold cheap left and right.
They also have enough power to run lower power GPUs like the 1650 and 6400 - which fits the budget nature of these "thrown together" gaming PC conversions.
All together you get a machine where virtually every game is playable at 1080p, which isn't bad. With every other business unit conversion, you are in the price territory of being better to just build an entry level PC from scratch.
😏👍 i picked up a Precision from this era, its better, it has a cute tiny air cooler with copper pipes, there is a difference in the build quality
I have an FX8320 and a Radeon HD 7950 3GB. Are these worth it going into 2023? I guess I'll find out.
If it does everything you need it to do, then yes
Actually windows 11 gets security updates on “incompatible” computers. The mini tower versions are definitely worth it IMO. Super good value and specs compared to a $300 junk machine.
I have a OPTIPLEX 7010 MT refurbished computer.With a Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3470 CPU 3.20GHZ.
16.0GB RAM , 4 hard drives , with all most 6TB of storage .A more powerfull power supply .
A grafice card that pushes 3 moniters .And no it is not in its original case .
DIY er The computer is built into my corner desk .
Not the best but serves me well.
PS. Over size colling fan for the CPU .
Must of cost a pretty penny to upgrade
ANSWER IS YES!!! I buyed one with gtx 1650ti inside for $250
In Serbia where I live we have the best website for this kind of things if you are lucky you can get DEALS like DEALS :)
I went the opposite way. I bought a new Del Precision 3660 last month for £1k i3 12100, 16GB DDR5 4800, W680 chipset, Dell super cooling kit and a 500 watt Platinum 90+ PSU. Fast as hell with loads of upgrade potential. I also stuck a Radeon RX 6600 Dual in it too. Going to add a 12600K, extra 16GB of ram at some point and you can even upgrade the PSU to 1000W.
u are so dumb
For about 250 USD, I was able to get an Optiplex MT 7050 and a GTX 1650 Super. It came with some 7th Gen i5, 16GB DDR4, a 250 GB NVME SSD, and a 240 watt PSU. It is indeed important to point out that due to its low watt, proprietary PSU and form factor, there is nearly no upgradability beyond this. That said, there is no other way to get a PC this capable for this low a cost, or even a modern console for that matter. My elderly dad plays the shit out of GTA, ESO, CIV, Minecraft, and retro games on emulators on it all at 1080p and 60~ FPS. If you only want to play games from the 2010s at 1080p, I can't recommend it enough to put a mid or low end GPU into an office workstation. There's just no beating the value for your money. Just make sure to not power an 8 pin PCI port(pulls up to 75 watts) with a single SATA(rated for 50 watts). Instead convert two SATAs into 6 pin PCI connectors then convert those into one 8 pin PCI
If people are on a really tight budget then personally id get a used PC from ebay or Facebook market place. Least then there is a chance it has a upgrade path.
Running a system in an old 980 with that gen’s i7. Hoping to transfer the gpu ram and SsD into a 5050 with an i7 and get better performance.
Which version would you recommend for someone who wants to build an optiplex as a streaming pc?
the newest
Depends on what it’s used for.
😒👍 Guys n Gals, this Dell Activates for FREE when u install 11, lets Go People! ☺️
Is buying a custom made PC the better option?
It depends on what you want to play and at what resolution/FPS, if you only want to play stuff at 1080p and 45-60 FPS, have no more than one hard drive and one NVMe SSD, and use a stock CPU cooler then an Optiplex with a 130-watt-or-less-GPU can be perfectly serviceable. But if you have any inkling at all of eventually upgrading to a high end GPU or several storage drives, get a custom build. The Optiplex has a proprietary PSU that will keep you from ever having more than 240 watts worth of parts
@@pewp_tickalar ok thanks 🙏🙏
Bought a refurbished Optiplex 780 years ago, handy for internet and basic work... not my gaming machine. 🙂
As long as it does what you want it to do
I just replaced my Dell Optiplex 9020 8g of ram with the Optiplex 3070 16g ram and graphics card which came out in 2019 for $750,00 NZ dollars, I didn't want a brand new PC I wanted Win-10 not Win-11, Its my third Optiplex Tower PC and I could't be more happy with it, They are fully refurbished pc's and in great condition from the place where i purchased them from, System Specs: Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-9500 CPU @ 3.00GHz 3000MHz 6 Cores, 6 Logical Pro
That is a more modern one
if youre running intel 11th gen you can easily downgrade to windows 10
@@randomgamingin144p My OptiPlex 3070 has a 9th generation Intel Core with Win-10 Pro, I'll stay with Win-10 for as long as i can
im getting the Dell OptiPlex Computer Desktop PC, Intel Core i5 3rd Gen 3.2 GHz, 16GB RAM, 2TB HDD, New 22 Inch LED Monitor, RGB Keyboard and Mouse, WiFi, Windows 10 Pro is that good?
I wouldn't recommend 3rd gen CPUs They can be really slow I would recommend something like a 6th gen CPUs
Hi sir do you think I should buy a Dell Optiplex 3080 micro i5 10500t would it be good for heavy chrome browsing , online class , excel & word open at the same time full load and would last like 3-5yrs
The newer Ryzen 9 6900hx processors are even better than the 5600g now, I'm thinking of buying a low power usage mini pc soon. I do game but at 1080p only, so I don't need a super fandango gfx card anymore.
I am trying to decide between the HP elite and the deli OptiPlex, which is better?
Opti
just bought a dual 6 pin mini sata to 8 pin pcie to slap a 2060 in an optiplex 3670 with a 365w psu - wish me luck
Did it work?
@@AlexHusTech waiting on the graphics card rn... the 6 pin mini cable when not plugged into anything spits a dell error out lol so we'll see
@@txic.4818 Ah okay, I just ordered a Dell Precision T5810, has a 635W PSU and 2 6 pin cable. I will test it once it's here.
@@AlexHusTech just installed a 1660 super for way cheaper haha. returning the 6 pin mini cable for a 6 pin to 8 pin pcie adapter cus it didnt work well with dell bios. even without using it, the card's fans spin to life
@@txic.4818 Good stuff! Glad it worked with the 365W, PSU, I'm going to get the dual 6 pin PCIE to 8 pin, hopefully goes smooth, hoping to connect it to a 5500XT initially & then see if I can upgrade to a 5700XT.
I have a spare 3060 and also a spare rm850x. Might give this a whirl
Great video 👍 aka tanki 🙂
Cheers
some people like the challange of modding though
I agree, but most of the time its not worth it Kevin
😏 i know what u mean
For me, yes
There is a 360w PSU available for $50 that fits like factory with a 6 pin PCIe.
Only game I play is OSRS which can be played on a toaster this should fair well
the image of that ryzen 5700g actually shows a GPU installed
Yeah, stock images
I have two optiplex 3010 models and I couldn’t even find upgrades to get them working properly.
They can be tricky to upgrade
Some Of These Come With A 180 Watt PSU!! The 5040 Is DDR3L But My 7040 Has DDR4 2400 MHZ's My 7060 Has DDR4 2666 MHZ's RAM! Most Of These Machines Will Be Great if You Put A NVMe Drive In them ! The case Does Not Really Matter if it Is Scratched but they came Out Of An Office And Had Nothing Plugged Into the Front Ports!!!!
im building a 3020 and i didnt have to mod any power cables i got the low profile 1650 gpu and put it in and get 1080 gameplay so i had way less than 200 bucks
Awesome
Thanks
Can it run games like csgo or valorant
If you are just checking email or browsing the internet then I could see buying one of these units but for game play I wouldn't
I think they are ok for that type of use
October 2025 is 34 months away not 18 months
Yeah, did not take me meds this morning lol
All true !!!!
Thanks
Cool!
Thanks
Sounds personal lol
Mini itx psu's work flawlessly in the optiplex mt's🤦🏿♂️
good
Thanks
I've built 487 gaming PCs over the past12 years, so there's n way would I ever buy a of prebuilt of any age.
That is a lot of computers to build
@@Britec09 I worked for a family owned PC business for five years when I lived in Florida, and I'm currently building custom gaming PCs for people in my local area.
I would not recommend ex office machines for gaming, only for general computer use.
Had to deal with ex office Acer computer, had to get proprietary os iso disk to reinstall properly and has an issue with a sata port so had to disconnect the DVD drive as it only has 2 sata ports.
I agree
Yeah, common trait with them machines
Is i5 3470 good
sure, for older games
These are Dell's from hell.
I agree
Use the MT not a SFF like a smart person would.
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You are not going to put Windows 11 on those machines
bro its not like you need al that just the pc then the gpu
if it not supported by windows 11 then it not worth it to me
I agree, the end of windows 10 is looming
This will activate for free, fresh install 11, go online, boom
never buy a sff why even look i had 3 all burnt down lol over time them power supplies are known to be junk. invest in a 7020 or something with 4 ram slots
wrong i have a 7020 an aftermarket 700 watt psu fit right in it i had to buy an 8 dollar adapter for the mother board but thats it i gave 80 for the 7020 50 for the rx550 4gb ram was free i have many optiplexs so currently has 16 gb ram. the psu costed 30 bucks off facebook. so basically under 200 bucks i have a good little starter pc i play rd2 and gta5. gta5 gets 60-70 fps
i wopuldnt get a 5040 get an older one mine is 2015 model with i5 4590 and does fine
The computer says no.🤣
lol
2025 is 18 months away?
lol yeah a bit out lol
'Pros' and cons... Proceeds to totally sh*t on everything😅😂!
Firstly, I wonder how u come up with those prices. Who's paying £200 for a sff prebuilt lol(no TH-camr ever recommends that)?
You can get a prebuilt for around $60(mid-tower) with i7 4th gen, 8gb ram, 500gb hdd & 290w PSU(standard psu). So if u tight on budget, for about $150 u can get a decent system for cheap(no modding!) Now that's a recommendable no-brainer
Also, almost all older MT optiplexes(3020, 7010, 7020, 9020 etc, which U-tubers recommend) come with a standard PSU...easy swap😊!!
I guess the gist of it is, do ur research before buying anything or making critique videos. No pun intended, just saying!
Yes Brian I reckon these machines are pretty awful when it comes to specs and who wants to mess around trying to fit a larger power supply for example. Better off buying a prebuilt or better still a custom made machine where you can conform it to your budget..
They prey on the ignorant people out there. Most people really are clueless as to what goes into a computer let alone how one works. They could watch hundreds of videos and still be completely clueless. They just see a fully built computer for a cheap price, not knowing they are getting a better paper weight than a computer. Now these might be great if you are just going to use it for access to social media sites but not play any demanding games on it. So, they will have a place just not what people are expecting.
I agree, people are gullible
The specs on these aren't bad... I used my last laptop for over 7 years! I only stopped using it because it started having some thermal issues.
14" laptop. I7-4710hq, 16gb ram, 2.5" ssd, 860m video card. Still amazing computer that did all I need (games and 4kx60 editing / rendering).
A desktop like this with a Nvidia 1650 added would be great for most people!
@@earthling1984 As long as you are not setting your expectations too high you are right. They would be good for moderate and maybe some AAA games on low settings. But for the "facebook" gamer these would be great as is. They would rock at candy crush and Farmville!!
@@jonesgang They would be better than my laptop was. And my laptop played Fortnite, CS:Go, Pubg, Forza, and more.
I agree wouldn't be playing the newest games on a 4k monitor. But 1080 with medium settings should play most new games. And max out older games. Not super future proof. But good for a few years for cheap.
I admit I built my own PC after my laptop though. B550m, 5800x, 32gb ram, m.2 drives, 1650 (plenty good for what I play, may upgrade gpu in future if needed. GPU's were expensive when I built).
But really for $300 or less I could have replaced my laptop and had something even better than the laptop was.
And honestly right now is the best time for a low cost system like this. DDR5 is going to make everyone get a new machine in a few years.
@Britec09 off topic, but them make decent psu for bench work, nice to have-voltage as well as 3.3 5 12, I use mine for car stereo and amp running lmao
@0:08 I am using all stock, no gpu n clocking just bare bone I guess, because I don't use for games, if I want games I just buy a freaking dedicated gaming system, I just can't work with crap like that on there or here lol
@Britec09 first good day teacher @0:08 but I am currently running win11 on old optiplex 745 intel duo, have win10 on old optiplex 760 intel duo both around 3.0ghz cpu with 5 gb on ram 500 gb hdd they run fine for what I need them to do, but I will say with the 1 I installed win 11 on, for being nosey on-line it's fine but had to get around security feature to work so under no situation would I bank or classify anything on it, but The Clintons might like that though ROFLMOAO, have old inspiron 531s with win10 single core it does not like, if remember they came only with vista x32 and even win10 x32 does not like the one cell brain cpu even at 2ghz rofl, to open any window on it, click now make coffee eggs bacon and bread and it might be opened when done ROFLMOAO
I am just old junkie at heart, can't stand death on anything
Using an old pc for light browsing is fine like I said in video, but optiplex 745 for gaming lol no way
@@Britec09 Amen, it is I guess you could say the go to too learn or break, it did surprise me win11 is stilling running for about 11 maybe 12 months now, I'd have too look at speccy to find actual install date, but I had many said "IT CAN'T BE DONE" hold my coffee lmao
to me we all learning, whats the point if everyone knows everything, life would be to boring for me too carry on rofl
I love the adventure of a challenge, thanks for all you and your team do, have a good one