No and its the next logical step of kitbashing. Not only now can we self produce the parts we need (or buy someone's part to print), we can have exactly how many we want without hunting down for rare specific parts that come only once per pricy GW kit. We can also resize parts or even reshape certain things with digital kitbashing.
If your goal is to try and modify models to make something new regardless of the methodology, then it's an obvious no. If your goal is to use existing kits to make something new, then it's an obvious yes. I don't think anyone really needs to be snobby or pushy about this, it's entirely up to the hobbyist as to how they want to approach their hobby. I don't see why anyone feels it's their place to say what's right and wrong here, and to try and push people to have fun the "right" way.
its not cheating its still kitbashing. but you're doing a kitbash to. everything has its rules for its reasons. what you're doing is like playing a nuzzlock pokemon run in classic red. 3d printing in like modding a game for your reasons alone(looks, pose, sign, symbols, whatever, ect.) both are valid, and have their merits.
I think you make a good point about not having to hunt down rare parts. No longer do you have to buy a whole box for $45 for a single weapon or go to a bits site to buy a few pieces.
Yeah you're right and I also think I am starting to warm up to the idea of 3D printing more bits. Especially for my full armies like my DKOK and Cult of Slaanesh. It's just not economical to make a whole army only out of GW parts. Especially not if they are horde armies!
People are going a little nuts in these comments. I get that GW is expensive but it sounds like he's saying he enjoys the creativity you can get when setting limits.
It seems like an arbitrary limit to me, like calling cars cheating and sticking with your horse. The intent isn't to get there fast, it's to enjoy the ride, you can tell yourself, but in reality you're just limiting yourself for no reason. I 3D print all of my units as cool proxies with unique bits and combinations that nobody else has and I spend way less. More creativity for less money is obviously better than buying extra bits then just slapping greenstuff on every conversion and telling yourself it's better with some major mental gymnastics. Now if you were in a scenario where you couldn't 3D print anything then fine, but it's more accessible than ever. Good luck on the engagement/algorithm, I guess you got me with the bait.
Yeah, it's terribly arbitrary that's what I say in the video as well. And I do feel conflicted, because for my own armies I like to use 3D printed bits! It's just that when I want to make some one-off kitbash I like to set some limits. On the other hand you could do as you say and simply go for the best possible result with as many resources as possible.
Yeah, that's what I meant at the end of the video too. What if GW made a thousand upgrade kits for every possible chaos legion and every possible space marine chapter. Would it then suddenly not be cheating to use 3D printed bits? Of course not. That's why I am starting to warm up to the idea of 3D printing more and more when it comes to my own armies. I would still occasionally set myself some limits when I am trying to make a one off kitbash though.
It's not cheating. GW is notorious for charging ungodly amounts of money for parts/models that are older and harder to come by. If you go on ebay you could spend a good chunk of change to get the bits you want. Especially for those hard to find pieces or models. 3D printing is just smart. It doesn't change anything. The important part is the idea of what you want to kitbash and making that idea a reality.
Yeah, the cost is a good argument, especially if you're converting a whole army. I am doing my Death Korps of Krieg with 3D printed bits everywhere. It's just that I feel a little conflicted when trying to make a kitbash out of a single model for a one-off project. If I then go to 3D printed bits it becomes a different project where the goal it so make the best possible ktibash without any limits.
Do I use 3d printed parts in my kit bashing . Yes , what ever sources I use to get my bits it’s all kit bashing. Do I use just gw bits , no, it’s way to expensive to buy just gw bits or split kits down.
Honestly ya I agree with this take both are valid just purely different skills one is a practical skill and the other is more a hobby specific skill of jury rigging your own models which is fun to me even if I just do it to have more heavy weaponry on my death guard
Yeah and it's not just hypocrisy. I am genuinely opening up to more 3D printing. Especially for my own guard and GSC armies where I want to convert 100 or more models. It's just not viable to only use GW bits then.
In my opinion if you 3d print somthing (one file all same bits for one particular model then make it as shown as the full kit or file says and stick it together its not kitbashing .... but if you have bits (or multiple 3d files ) from any multitude of kits (no matter what kit and what brand/file) and bash them together to create something unique or similar to something else ... this is kitbashing . Although..... in my opinion anything can be kitbashed ..... my recycling bin and my bits boxs always work well together to create something thats mine something i only have ... also saves the bin fees lol 😅💪🔥🤘❤️👍 hope this make sense with my terrible dyslexia lol
Some of the people are scrounging for copium laced arguments against anything 3D printed in 40K. At what point does printing terrain become cheating? As long as games workshop keeps their models and bits at an unaffordable level, 3D printing will never be a bad thing for the community or culture of warhammer
I agree, I always hope that 3D printing might actually reign in some of GW pricing practices. I have 3D printed bits and minis in my own armies. It's just one-off kitbashes where I try to set some limits that I feel that going for 3D printed bits completely changes the project. It's no longer about working within limitations to do as well as possible, it's about getting the best kitbash possible with anything you can find.
Eh I feel like Kitbashing is only worth it for character or hero models spent 300 converting kits into the sanguinor last year dont regret it because IMO it looks far better than the new sculpt I think GW knows this because the new Sang guard models are so bland, theres no real difference because you are either putting scults together with plastic or putting sculpts that are 3d printed onto GW minis
the thought that you need to only use gw bits for anything related to warhammer is ridiculous and spits in the face of creativity it only exists because of gws narcasissim and greed it doesnt help when there are buyers who practically worship them or that their stock is stupidly overpriced the whole point of kitbashing is to just let your imagination run wild and use what ever tools you have to create and thats exactly what 3d printing is,a tool its by no means necessary nor is it the best thing ever its just there to use.Sorry if this comes across the wrong way i just dont see how anyone can argue that 3d printing is something to be shunned when its such a helpful thing to have
Wow! Uber GW shill. 3d print or don't but GW is not deserving of any special regard beyond Patent protections. You always have fair use for personal products . You just can't sell them until after the patents expire.. 90% of GW stuff is related to products that are more than 20 years .. 3D printing is not cheating and limiting to greenstuf without mention of miliput plaster is just creating a high bar of access to aspiring artists.
What do you think? Is 3D printing cheating when kitbashing? Or not?
No and its the next logical step of kitbashing. Not only now can we self produce the parts we need (or buy someone's part to print), we can have exactly how many we want without hunting down for rare specific parts that come only once per pricy GW kit. We can also resize parts or even reshape certain things with digital kitbashing.
If your goal is to try and modify models to make something new regardless of the methodology, then it's an obvious no. If your goal is to use existing kits to make something new, then it's an obvious yes. I don't think anyone really needs to be snobby or pushy about this, it's entirely up to the hobbyist as to how they want to approach their hobby.
I don't see why anyone feels it's their place to say what's right and wrong here, and to try and push people to have fun the "right" way.
its not cheating its still kitbashing. but you're doing a kitbash to. everything has its rules for its reasons. what you're doing is like playing a nuzzlock pokemon run in classic red. 3d printing in like modding a game for your reasons alone(looks, pose, sign, symbols, whatever, ect.) both are valid, and have their merits.
I think you make a good point about not having to hunt down rare parts. No longer do you have to buy a whole box for $45 for a single weapon or go to a bits site to buy a few pieces.
Yeah you're right and I also think I am starting to warm up to the idea of 3D printing more bits. Especially for my full armies like my DKOK and Cult of Slaanesh. It's just not economical to make a whole army only out of GW parts. Especially not if they are horde armies!
People are going a little nuts in these comments. I get that GW is expensive but it sounds like he's saying he enjoys the creativity you can get when setting limits.
It’s not cheating. Someone made those sculpts
It seems like an arbitrary limit to me, like calling cars cheating and sticking with your horse. The intent isn't to get there fast, it's to enjoy the ride, you can tell yourself, but in reality you're just limiting yourself for no reason. I 3D print all of my units as cool proxies with unique bits and combinations that nobody else has and I spend way less. More creativity for less money is obviously better than buying extra bits then just slapping greenstuff on every conversion and telling yourself it's better with some major mental gymnastics.
Now if you were in a scenario where you couldn't 3D print anything then fine, but it's more accessible than ever.
Good luck on the engagement/algorithm, I guess you got me with the bait.
Yeah, it's terribly arbitrary that's what I say in the video as well. And I do feel conflicted, because for my own armies I like to use 3D printed bits! It's just that when I want to make some one-off kitbash I like to set some limits. On the other hand you could do as you say and simply go for the best possible result with as many resources as possible.
Imagine him telling the GW artist who make these digitally that they are cheating.
Yeah, that's what I meant at the end of the video too. What if GW made a thousand upgrade kits for every possible chaos legion and every possible space marine chapter. Would it then suddenly not be cheating to use 3D printed bits? Of course not. That's why I am starting to warm up to the idea of 3D printing more and more when it comes to my own armies.
I would still occasionally set myself some limits when I am trying to make a one off kitbash though.
It's not cheating. GW is notorious for charging ungodly amounts of money for parts/models that are older and harder to come by. If you go on ebay you could spend a good chunk of change to get the bits you want. Especially for those hard to find pieces or models. 3D printing is just smart. It doesn't change anything. The important part is the idea of what you want to kitbash and making that idea a reality.
Yeah, the cost is a good argument, especially if you're converting a whole army. I am doing my Death Korps of Krieg with 3D printed bits everywhere.
It's just that I feel a little conflicted when trying to make a kitbash out of a single model for a one-off project. If I then go to 3D printed bits it becomes a different project where the goal it so make the best possible ktibash without any limits.
Do I use 3d printed parts in my kit bashing . Yes , what ever sources I use to get my bits it’s all kit bashing. Do I use just gw bits , no, it’s way to expensive to buy just gw bits or split kits down.
Honestly ya I agree with this take both are valid just purely different skills one is a practical skill and the other is more a hobby specific skill of jury rigging your own models which is fun to me even if I just do it to have more heavy weaponry on my death guard
As long as your honest enough to call out your own hypocrisy then have whatever opinion you want its all good!
Yeah and it's not just hypocrisy. I am genuinely opening up to more 3D printing. Especially for my own guard and GSC armies where I want to convert 100 or more models. It's just not viable to only use GW bits then.
In my opinion if you 3d print somthing (one file all same bits for one particular model then make it as shown as the full kit or file says and stick it together its not kitbashing .... but if you have bits (or multiple 3d files ) from any multitude of kits (no matter what kit and what brand/file) and bash them together to create something unique or similar to something else ... this is kitbashing . Although..... in my opinion anything can be kitbashed ..... my recycling bin and my bits boxs always work well together to create something thats mine something i only have ... also saves the bin fees lol 😅💪🔥🤘❤️👍 hope this make sense with my terrible dyslexia lol
Yeah, I'm starting to lean towards more 3D printed bits myself. Especially if it's not a one off kitbash, but a whole army you want to convert.
Some of the people are scrounging for copium laced arguments against anything 3D printed in 40K. At what point does printing terrain become cheating? As long as games workshop keeps their models and bits at an unaffordable level, 3D printing will never be a bad thing for the community or culture of warhammer
I agree, I always hope that 3D printing might actually reign in some of GW pricing practices. I have 3D printed bits and minis in my own armies.
It's just one-off kitbashes where I try to set some limits that I feel that going for 3D printed bits completely changes the project. It's no longer about working within limitations to do as well as possible, it's about getting the best kitbash possible with anything you can find.
Hear, hear.👍
How much did they pay you?
Eh I feel like Kitbashing is only worth it for character or hero models spent 300 converting kits into the sanguinor last year dont regret it because IMO it looks far better than the new sculpt I think GW knows this because the new Sang guard models are so bland, theres no real difference because you are either putting scults together with plastic or putting sculpts that are 3d printed onto GW minis
100% agree
You're in the minority! 😀
the thought that you need to only use gw bits for anything related to warhammer is ridiculous and spits in the face of creativity it only exists because of gws narcasissim and greed it doesnt help when there are buyers who practically worship them or that their stock is stupidly overpriced the whole point of kitbashing is to just let your imagination run wild and use what ever tools you have to create and thats exactly what 3d printing is,a tool its by no means necessary nor is it the best thing ever its just there to use.Sorry if this comes across the wrong way i just dont see how anyone can argue that 3d printing is something to be shunned when its such a helpful thing to have
Wow! Uber GW shill. 3d print or don't but GW is not deserving of any special regard beyond Patent protections. You always have fair use for personal products
. You just can't sell them until after the patents expire.. 90% of GW stuff is related to products that are more than 20 years .. 3D printing is not cheating and limiting to greenstuf without mention of miliput plaster is just creating a high bar of access to aspiring artists.