When Emily said "Father" instead of "Grandfather", that pretty much said it all. I think Emily was grooming Rory to be the daughter that she didn't have with Lorelai.
Well yeah, of course she was. Lorelai always treated her mother like she was ridiculous, ran away as a teen, and completely shut Emily out of her life for 15 years. Emily didn't even get to know her granddaughter until she was almost grown, and even then, Lorelai only came to them because she wanted something. When Rory came to them wanting to stay at the mansion and work with Emily's organizations, she saw an opportunity to have that mother-daughter relationship that she Lorelai refused to give her.
@@lexi219 "refused to give her" Parents are not entitled to have a relationship with their children. All relationships are built with love and understanding. They loved each other but they rarely understood one another.
@@iamsultana The person is wrong about everything. Emily knew very well about Rory, since Lorelai was still with her parents when she was born. She didn't sut them out completely, she made the occasional call, even if she didn't like it. You're right, though. Lorelai had every right to decide how to decide how to live her life and actually had a good one that Emily was never able to acknowledge because it's not what SHE wanted. I like Emily, but I find it ridiculous that people really try to pretend she had any right to control Lorelai
of course she did, and in her true Emily way she was doing same mistakes she did with Lorelai, being to controlling and suffocating her. But Rory was a spoiled brat too... screaming about independence and doing things her own way because she is adult now, while leaving in her rich grandma's fancy pool house doing nothing and being financed by her grandparents and rich boyfriend and being ungrateful. they were both in the wrong and they both had their points of view. that is the beauty of this show. just like it is in real life :)
See, I think she knew but she didn't know at the same time. So many times, Lorelai's tried to explain how they are and Rory's just passed off as "Oh, you'll work it out" or "you"re exaggerating" or "you shouldn't have handled it that way." Moving in with them and seeing how they can be, I think, is what REALLY made her understand why Lorelai can't always get along with her and why she distanced herself in the early years. I just don't think she really got it until she lived with them.
That’s so frustrating to me. No one ever believed Lorelei. Emily and Richard didn’t believe her when she was saying that Rory was out of control and Logan’s family was mean to her. And Rory wouldn’t believe her mom - who should be the first person she should believe and go to EVER. Rory made a lot of mistakes but the worst one was how she treated Lorelei here, she was beyond ungrateful.
@@visualvellichor6273 Rory wasn’t out of control. She wanted to take a break from Yale after what Mitchum said and Lorelei did not handle the situation right at all. Rory was reacting in a bit way but she has a right to take a break from school and find out what she wants to do or be. Lorelei should have helped her and supported her abs help her see reason. It wouldn’t be too late for her go back to school. She was barely even 21. Lorelei shut her out and then vice versa.
I kinda see why now Lorelei left at 16. Now we all or most of us had strict rules. But to have some one lay out your clothes go thru your things and tell you how act is a bit controlling for me
To be fair, Emily was just being a mother. She cared a lot about her reputation and what people thought of her, she didn’t disown her daughter for getting pregnant she actually embraced her and went and bought baby stuff. And her and her grandfather even came up with a plan for them to get married and for him to work for his firm so that he would be able to provide for his family, they were doing the best job that they could given the circumstances they were dealt with. Sure Emily was controlling a little bit but she had certain expectations for her daughter it’s not like she was Hitler
@@dianabelle2073 I don't know why Emily was acting so shocked anyway. People have been saying that Rory and Lorelai have been alike for years. And when Rory shows a sign of that to her, she's acting as if Lorelai just picked this girl out of a hospital baby room and raised her instead of popping out her own kid with her genes
Rory definitely knew how they were. But she's not as ummm free-spirited as Lorelai, so she can deal with their nonsense much better than Lorelai does. Whether she likes it or not, Rory loves that lifestyle as much as she loves her little small town life. Otherwise she wouldn't have gone to Yale and she wouldn't have run straight to the comfort of her grandparents' mansion.
I didn't like Rory in this phase she claimed she wanted to be independent and find her way but in reality she was spoiled privileged brat, and than she was frustrated for being like that....
@David Roberts what does not liking Rory have anything to do with not being a fan of the show? I didn't like Rory either once she went off to Yale and I still love the show. I kept watching because of Luke, Lorelai, and the other characters despite Rory being on my nerves a lot of the time.
MMaya Emily was the one being really controlling in this situation not the other way around, I mean she was 21 years old and Emily was treating her like she was 5 and wasn’t free to make her own decisions, I can complete understand this from Rory’s point of view, it’s not up to Emily what she does with her life
As a Latina I didnt really care for the Gilmore girls behaviors at all. I just didnt understand or relate. Like she is living at her grandparents like there are going to be rules and you should respect that because they dont have to let you live there. And like Richard and Emily were not as controlling as my own family and I never rebelled or disrespected them. I loved the town and some of the storylines but in general I just couldnt relate to either rory or lorelei.
Gacha Potato I could understand that if she’s living under their roof eating their food then it’s only fair she follows their rules, but Emily was being too controlling and treating her like a child. I also always thought she treated Lorelai like a child too.
@@allie7574 Yes. Emily was a bit controlling. I think she got a little too excited that she was going to be able to do the parenting thing right again. However, Rory could've handled moving out a little more like a 21 year old. She could've talked to them, called, wrote a letter. At least let her grandfather know that Colin and Finn were going to be in the house or they didn't have to pay for Yale anymore. I know she was mad, but dang...that is nasty immature behavior.
1:40 I love that in the background when Rory says she has been sleeping at Logan's you hear the musicians mess up the song for a second. I love how its a running theme on this show that background characters are always listening to their arguments
Emily: _"You're becoming more like your mother with every passing day"_ Rory: _"And you're becoming more like my mother's mother with Every Passing Day"_ Uff, they had reached a boiling point and I think it is probably the only time in the entire series that they argue like this.
Every time Rory stuck up for herself, her grandparents & father would blame Lorelai. Rory would have to fight them & say “IT’S YOU” for them to listen & get it. Rory was so compliant with them, that when she wasn’t, it was a shock & of course, Lorelai’s fault🙄🙄.
Both Emily/Richard and Rory are at fault in this situation. Lorelai was right, she knew her daughter and knew what it would take for Rory to finally come to her senses. Richard and Emily only aided in Rory's "misbehaviour" because they pushed her into the mould that they wanted Lorelai to become; a woman of high social standards. I think Emily's frustration is due to Lorelai being right, also seeing how much of Lorelai's personality traits are in Rory. As for Rory, dropping out of Yale ceased her work ethic. Her initial plan to hide behind her grandparents and their wealth were uncalled for.
This scene comes right after Rory leaves Emily’s house unexpectedly after living there for several months, without telling anyone. Emily has a right to be angry. Rory is being ungrateful and spoiled and clueless here.
@@lauriecarson6483 It was Lorelai. Being friends with your daughter (or acting like it) before being a parent is not a good thing. And she was an only child.
I love Emily & Richard, don’t get me wrong. They’re great characters and they can be generous people. I just think they have this idea in their heads about the way things should be and when people don’t live up to it, they’re very harsh about it. BTW, I’m sorry that this rant was so long. I just haven’t had a good GG conversation in awhile and I love it ‘cause I love this show.
She's always known how controlling they were. Why did she choose to move in with them in the first place. It doesn't matter how controlling they are, they are still her grandparents and they still were nice enough to give her some shelter while she was having her ridiculous fit. The least she could do is at least be nicer about it, instead of acting entitled, like it was their obligation to take care of her.
Well, obviously she didn't know. Rory saw mostly a very good side of her grandparents, she had some distance from them. And, she was such a 'good kid' that she didn't aggravate them most of the time. She only knew what she'd heard from her mother, and what she'd seen of Lorelai and Emily's interactions- and Lorelai was definitely not innocent in provocating those, lol. Not to mention that she's 21, controlling behaviour from family isn't condoned as much. Living with someone full-time is very different from seeing them once a week for a few hours. You can't fully understand it until you've experienced it.
Did anyone hear Rory thank her grandparents, at least once??? They gave her everything and she turned out to be a spoiled brat. She moved out and didn't even say goodbye DAMN I NEEDED TO RANT
She did thank her grandparents at her graduation party in front of their friedms for everything they did for her. Did he grandparents apologize for treating her like a 5 year old.
@@luvyah2419 it's their fault too cause they think Rory can't do anything wrong and they put Rory on the highest pedestal. so it's it's their fault too.
I love Emily. She deeply loves Lorelei and is trying to fill this hole through out the whole series. From all of the characters I think she is the most broken. She feels worthless next to Richard and not loved and avoided from her own daughter. And in this scene she also lost Rory. Even though her expectation were too high, she deserves better.
@Laurie Carson Exactly. And that's the biggest problem with Emily is that she thinks she knows what's best for her daughter and granddaughter. She's never truly learned and remains deluded into thinking they need her when in fact , she needs them.
As for how Rory should've handled things, I've always been on the fence about it. Sometimes, I think she should've talked with them first, but then I remember the times that Lorelai's tried to really talk to them and they wouldn't listen 'cause they're so full of pride. I mean, I think the episode Friday Nights is alright for fighting was a pretty good example of how easy it is for Richard and Emily revise history when it suits them. So, I don't think they would've even listened to Rory.
I don't support her entitlement, but I do support she should be treated like an adult. If she can pretty much come and go at college, she should have the same kind of respect here. While it was nice of her grandparents to take her in, it did not give them the right to run her life. If they didn't agree with her lifestyle they could ask her to leave. Honestly she was being very responsible, i.e. running this event as she said she would, she just wasn't telling her grandma her every move and if I remember correctly had a boy over late. I get the grandmother was afraid the same would happen to Rory as it did her mother but she had no right to try to money as leverage.
She was treated like a 5 years old. Emily picking out her cloths and having them maid get rid of her cloths. Rory was home by 10pm. Rory did what ever Emily and Richard ask of her.
@@Quirkyalonester emily is upset because it happened before (meaning rory didn't learn her lesson), except this time it was intentional and rory didn't ask for their permission about logan staying there
@@DCOM20. I have to disagree maybe Rory took advantage of living off her grandparents money but Lorali borrowed money for Rory's school and paid it back. Lorali made it clear she would not take any money from her parents because she knew Emily would hold it over her head. Emily was controlling. That's why Rory got so upset no one wants anyone controlling what they wear, where they can go and when it's time to have sex. When Emily didn't get things her way she was nasty to people. She was to Luke, Lorali, Rory and her worker's. I'm sorry but there is no excuse for Emily's behavior. Emily wanted Rory there so she could have a second chance doing all the things with Rory that she couldn't with Lorali and once again Emily's plans back fired. The only thing I did not like was how Rory left her grandparents house. She should have said something and not just disappeared. However I do understand why she did it because Emily would have been nasty to her and who wants to keep going through that. That's why Lorali left.
@@DCOM20. I will say I think Rory was spoiled and they put her on a paddle stool. She knew she could get her grandparents to help her and anytime she was mad at Lorali she ran to them. I do think Rory should have faced her grandparents before moving out because in spite of Emily's controlling behavior Rory's grandparents were good to her and she should have had more respect for them.
Rory gets so much hate for something she didn't do. Emily was rude she could have waited to yell at Rory after the event. But no Emily wanted it her way.
No Emily was rude and ungrateful. Emily called Rory's friends to find out where she is at. Emily could have waited until later to to talk to Rory. If someone would have done that to her Emily would have had a cow and go off on them.
I think Rory moving in with her grandparents, she finally got to see the side of Emily that Lorelai had to deal with. I think that after Rory left her grandparents , got her a job, made up with her mom. That their relationship was better than before.
Classic Rory. She gets into an argument and it's SHE who decides when she's heard enough! Rory did the same thing to her mother in the sex-with-Dean episode. I love this girl!
I'm sorry but I applaud Rory in this scene cuz she finally came to her senses and realized that she made a mistake. I sorta feel here that Emily is poking the bear by saying "Don't you use that tone with me". The reason why Emily and Richard were so hurt was I think they didn't wanna admit defeat to Lorelai like they were embarrassed when Rory moved out cuz they realized they lost
Diana Belle for sure. They wanted Rory to be the perfect, compliant, little, doll. That’s not how humans are. They didn’t learn their lesson with Lorelai. Same mistakes with Rory
Well she shouldn’t be raising her voice or using a condescending tone towards her grandmother, nevertheless in her own home, that’s disrespectful. No one forced Rory to move into their pool house, no one forced her to except money for prep school and no one forced her to except money for Yale. She wanted all of the benefits of her grandparents wealth but didn’t want any of the rules that came with it
@@christinayates2496 she isn’t a robot. They can’t just push whatever button they want and she’s gonna do whatever dance they say. They are her grandparents they should be providing shelter and money for school because they love her and want her to be safe and educated. Not to control her every move. That’s toxic as hell. Sad that you don’t see that.
@@christinayates2496 for one she wasnt at home when she was talking to her grandma. Emily started to yell at Rory for no reason at all. Rory wasn't late to the event. Emily is controlling and treated Rory like a 5 year old. You think Rory is going to take Emily yelling at her infant of everyone. Rory stood up for herself.
one thing i noticed when i saw this clip, emily walks towards i'm guessing the kitchen since her and rory walked towards where emily entered in the first place. other wise good scene good to stand up for yourself go rory!!!
I love Rory for this moment. Emily never respected Lorelai's need for independence and freedom, and Rory putting Emily in her place was perfect! She should have respected that Rory was an adult by now, and not a child she could restrict like she tried to do with Lorelai.
@@villanelle2.0Emily was controlling. I just know what it is like to have someone try to control you. Not a parent. But I am sensitive to that kind of abuse, that's why I said what I said, but go off if it makes you feel better. Bye now.
Reminds me of two times my stepmom tried to "ground" me for something stupid. I laughed in her face and said I am 20 years old and can no longer be grounded, especially by her, and before anyone tries to say that you can be grounded if you live under her roof crap I wasn't living with her and it technically wasn't her roof. I only came over for a appointment for something.
I think Rory did the right thing she got too wrapped up in that world and she needed to get out of there I understand her frustration with Emily I would be too
The only person who was really in the right of this situation was Lorelai. She went to her parents and tried to stop all of this and they stabbed her in the back in favor of allowing Rory to have her little episode for an entire semester of Yale. THAT is where Emily and Richard went wrong, by not supporting Lorelai. Here? No. Rory had this coming. She was flat-out terrible in the first half of the sixth season. She clearly has a thin skin by getting THAT upset over what Logan's father said to her in spite of the heaps of praise literally everyone else in the world gives her. She was being a disrespectful little punk to everybody who loved and cared for her in her short 20 years of life. SHE was the one embracing Emily and Richard's life because she wanted to have a temper tantrum over one man telling her she couldn't hack it. Not to mention, she broke the law and stole and was entitled enough to be indignant over getting punished. Screw Rory. She's an entitled little brat that can't handle life if people aren't falling at her feet. If Rory didn't like her grandparents' rules, maybe her bum ass shouldn't have squatted in their pool house.
@@cheetahinireland18 and your absolutely right. Rory was horrible that season. And honestly now that I'm older I can see why some people don't really like her. Especially after the revival.
i can’t stand rory during this part of the series shes a privileged brat. what i hate the most is that later on in the season she calls out logan for being a trust fund baby when in reality her and logan aren’t that much far off. She legit lives for free at a pool house, got a car for graduation, has a rich dad now and the grandparents have always been there throwing parties and providing financially when needed. Indeed they get their money back, but lorelai pays them back not rory. Rory is always treated like she can do no wrong when she’s a terrible human being. she doesn’t realize how lucky she is to have lorelai as a mother, she’s ungrateful, and she’s a home wrecker on top of it all. it is so weird how she stayed with logan after he cheated on her with a whole bachelorette party squad and was still after his tail when he basically broke up with her for not engaging WHILE he had a fiancée. like girl standup.
i hate how none of her actions have consequences ( dropping out of yale, getting arrested, participating in adultery) and everybody excuses her with “she’s a grown woman she can do what she wants” like yeah no. she may be grown psychically but she’s not independent at all if it weren’t for lorelai and the grandparents she’d legit be homeless and broke. that to me isn’t a “grown independent woman” that’s a child trynna play grownup with other peoples money. girly sits at logan’s apartments like as if she ever paid rent.
I have to disagree. What was crappy is that Rory is a 21 yo with a job and her grandparents thought they could control her like she's five. Maybe just taking off like that wasn't the right way to handle it, but if Richard and Emily weren't so controlling and could actually hear a POV besides their own, it might not have come to that.
Rory couldn’t have just said “thank you for everything, it’s time for me to move out” Sure Emily is controlling but you don’t just leave without saying anything?!
At the graduation party Emily and Richard threw for Rory she thanked her grandparents for everything they did for in front of their friends. Did you not pay attention to that.
Am I the only one who doesn't understand why people support Rory? How the fuck are you this disrespectful to the person that lets you live in her home?! And seriously why is everyone acting like it's such a terrible thing that Mitchum huntzberger was being honest to her? Life is not easy, you should be able to take criticism
She wasn't being disrespectful she felt like she was being smothered and she was overprotective she's 21 and Emily was trying to ground her. She was trying to control her. She even moved her stuff out of the pool house when she found she out they were doing stuff in there she's 21 she's a grown woman in here
I agree, I don't support Rory here. She is 21 years old. Disappointments come with life. She is aware of this personal but with Mitchum this was her first real jolt into the real world. She had a couple growing up, first starting at Chilton then in Yale, with her assignments and at the paper. But nothing truly significant enough. She couldn't take critics but is unfortunate as she wanted to be a journalist that would entice critics for a career. Emily and Richard may have been overprotective and possibly overbearing but it came from care. Rory couldn't see that and also didn't tell them in the way she should have. As it came to a crumbling halt. When it didn't need to. Rory was suppose to be level headed but didn't act that way and hadn't for a while. They did give her space but when they realised she were getting too comfortable in this life. They tried to act in their own misguided way. She may have been 21 and to her seemed too old to be grounded seeing as she has lived away from home, but here she was living with her grandparents most likely not paying rent so I'm inclined to agree with Emily here.
+Emily Aucutt she was trying to ground her after Rory was being fucking disrespectful towards Emily before. Sure Emily smothered her but it's her house, if Rory wants to come and leave whenever she wants then get a job and pay your own bills
@Emily Aucutt If she didn't like the rules she shouldn't have moved there! honestly she knew how her grandparents were and she still stayed because the enjoyed the luxury and the expensive life and when she got tired of it she acted like a spoiled brat and disrespected her grandmother !
But what I'm saying is that Rory acted wrong in this situation. To me she was a complete brat and it really annoyed me that she even had the galls to be upset and get sassy with Emily. I would've been a lot nicer to her, regardless of how annoying she is, just out of gratitude; for putting up with my brattiness and my silly identity crisis without expecting much in exchange. IDK I was raised that way, maybe that's why that's my POV.
Rory had every right to say what's on her mind. Emily was controlling and watched every move Rory made. She treated Rory like she was 5 years old. She raised her voice at and event which Rory wasn't late too. Send a priest to talk Rory out of having sex. She pulled the same crap with Lorelai and now to Rory. You think Rory will just stand there and take it. Everyone says Rory is ungrateful no Emily was the one who was ungrateful to Rory. Have you heard the term respect is earned not given. I lost all respect for Emily the way she treated her daughter and granddaughter.
@@lauriecarson6483 LMAO What exactly does Emily have to thank Rory for? What did Rory ever do for Emily that would warrant Rory being so ungrateful? Yes, Emily was controlling. She didn’t really know how to be a friend aside from a mother. Yes she had really outdated ways of parenting. Rory knew this all along. Don’t forget Rory PUT herself in that situation because she’s a brat who never could handle criticism. She ran away from her mother like an ungrateful little baby, just because she couldn’t stand to hear the truth. She very gladly accepted her grandparents help, lived in a beautiful place and wasted her life away for a whole year, living the “it girl” life with her boyfriend, spoiled rotten, and then got pissy at her grandma for no real reason? Nah. Omg she asked a priest to talk to her about sex, how horrific! nothing Emily did to her couldn’t have been solved with a conversation. Rory had a very different relationship with her grandparents than Lorelai did. Stop making excuses for her. She was the worst.
@@lpycb42 I wasnt sticking up for Emily. If you can read what I wrote it was defending Rory. And I can do what ever I want just like everonr else. So don't tell me what I can and cannot do.
Absolutely. No excuses for her. But I love how Emily exposed herself by calling Richard Rorys father. Lorelei was so right, they were trying to get a second chance at a daughter because Lorelei was a disappointment to them.
@@sharky2606 I did which is why I mentioned that there was obviously built up from what lead to this moment and that Emily exposed herself in the scene as well. Doesn´t change the fact that she was being a brat. Her grandparents were to blame as well because they were so obsessed about going against Lorelei that they ended up making Rory´s situation worst but Rory was for sure a brat and very ungrateful to everybody. She´s only nice when everything goes her way
She was being bratty, but shame on Emily for going back on her word to Lorelai. Emily was a liar, plain and simple. Rory could have handled it better tho; she should've thanked her and Richard for taking her in. And Emily and Richard should've apologized to Lorelai for lying to her. There was plenty of fault to go around.
I am watching this show for the first time beginning to end. What I'm getting is that the entire show was the producer working through her own family issues. There are strings in all famililial relationships no matter how we try to avoid them. The obvious ropes and chains depicted in this show are meant to underscore the difficulty in life even when you come from privilege and money. The main character walks away and then, in order to give her child the best advantages, crawls back to the patriarchy she despises. Interesting allegory.
I more or less grew up on the show, but more as a “background show” something that was just in the common lexicon, so to speak. I’m rewatching it on Netflix and I have to agree with your assessment. There are a few writing inconsistencies here and there. But the heart of the show is just how messed up life can be and that not everyone grasps how to “adult” the same way. The revival is I think the theme of the show coming full circle. Lorelei despite being the “adult” in the dynamic arguably comes of age during the show, whilst Rory comes of age in a similar fashion in the revival. Life is messy, people are complicated and family always comes with baggage no matter your background.
Rory is kinda of a brat. When she made her decision to dropout, her grandparents supported her when her mother turned her back on her. Richard and Emily did everything to make her happy and in the end she just left, not even a thank you and blamed them for everything. End of the day we all know Emily and Richard didn’t want to make the same mistakes with Rory which they did with Lorelai. They were hard with Lorelai and didn’t want the same treatment for Rory…
This scene would be funny if I didn't have a mother just like this. Overbearing, smothering, controlling, extremely unsupportive, judgemental, always blaming you for both hers and your failures, constant toxic criticism, yelling like a maniac (my neighbours were wondering if she was crazy), always negative, disappointed for no good reason, angry and mean. Emily reminds me a lot of her. She might be an entertaining character to watch but a real life Emily for a mother would be a PTSD inducing nightmare.
I love that Rory confronted her. Emily think she could control everyone around her and if they didn’t do what she told them she would get upset. The brat was Emily and not Rory in this time
Emily and Richard did a lot for Rory but by the end they were too invasive and controlling. Had they backed off a little and treated Rory like an adult she would have easily adapted to their life style. Hell, she would have done better there than the one she ultimately chose.
This scene shows Emily literally learned nothing from Lorelai. The difference here is that Rory is an adult and can just leave whenever she wants. Emily and Richard forgot that, and repeated the same mistakes.
It's ironic how Emily is always so touchy about how she fears her family is going to "make a scene" and embarrass her in front of other people, yet she has no qualms about blatantly humiliating Rory at this very public event. I agree that Rory has made a lot of bad decisions and has been selfish throughout much of the series -- but, in terms of this scene, I'm 100% on Team Rory here. Emily overstepped and never once bothered to try to approach Rory in a civilized manner about her concerns.
I don't like the way Emily is/was treating Rory aka Lorelai Gilmore III. What's Emily's problem, she acted as if she is/was Rory's wicked stepmother and Lorelai Gilmore II's wicked stepmother.
Amanda Ramos I’ve always found Emily annoying. I think Rory had to live with them to see that it was a mistake and could understand why her mom doesn’t always get along with them. Rory was 21 and Emily was treating her like she’s some 5 year old. I probably would’ve gotten pissed off too if I was treated like I was 5.
Rory was a brat though! She went to her grandparents house crying and defeated, because a little glimpse of the real world freaked her out. Once the rules of the house were changing then she rejects and bolts like she does throughout every season. What really disgusts me was when she sent Colin and Finn inside her grandparents house (when she isn't there) and not telling them they didn't have to pay for Yale. 21 year olds don't act like that. 5 year olds act like that, so Emily was right on the money looking at Rory as if she were 5. Then at 32, she still was acting immature.
I still don't understand why Rory was suddenly so mean to her Grandparents when she realised she should be back at Yale. They took her in and helped her when she wanted to take some time off then she just up and left without a word.
I take it to mean “life repeating itself.” Emily and Richard are loving grandparents don’t get me wrong. But they disrespect their daughter’s authority as the parent and are controlling. Rory could have acted more grateful, I’m not saying she isn’t acting entitled. But I think this scene highlights that they hadn’t really learned their lesson. They can’t just accept that their daughter and granddaughter are complicated people with their own autonomy. This failed them both in different ways. Lorelai might have forged her own path, but she is still made to feel like a failure and seeks their approval, even as they express their disappointment at her. Rory failed to become self sufficient because ironically she became too over reliant on their generosity and support. Due to their constant interfering nature and need for control. Failing to prepare her for life. People are quick to criticise Rory as an entitled spoilt brat. But the truth is, we are all shaped by our environment. And the overbearing, albeit good intentioned, nature of Emily and Richard shaped both Lorelai and Rory. For better and worse
growing up is seeing rory as the asshole and not emily. sure emily overstepped a lot, but considering rory was living under their roof and benefitting from their money and privilege she had no right to talk to her grandmother that way. rory was angry at herself for her decisions and was taking it out on emily who allowed her to move into her home and alienated lorelai as a result. team emily here.
Nooooo, REAL growing up is coming to the stark realization that both of these people are complex and flawed characters, who BOTH are accountable for the bad decisions they made that led to the disintegration of their relationship in this moment! REAL growing up is not being "team" anyone! What are you, a fuckin Twihard?! 🤣🤣🤣
People hate on Rory but she was a saint. There’s only two people who she genuinely mistreated and that was grandmothers and dean’s wife. She was awful to them. But everyone else she was a saint to
…and THIS is why Lorilie was so angry at her parents. They just wanted a ‘do over’ with another daughter. Anyone who can’t see that is absolutely blind. Rory is such an entitled brat!
When Emily said "Father" instead of "Grandfather", that pretty much said it all. I think Emily was grooming Rory to be the daughter that she didn't have with Lorelai.
Well yeah, of course she was. Lorelai always treated her mother like she was ridiculous, ran away as a teen, and completely shut Emily out of her life for 15 years. Emily didn't even get to know her granddaughter until she was almost grown, and even then, Lorelai only came to them because she wanted something. When Rory came to them wanting to stay at the mansion and work with Emily's organizations, she saw an opportunity to have that mother-daughter relationship that she Lorelai refused to give her.
@@lexi219 lorelai got pregnant
@@lexi219 "refused to give her" Parents are not entitled to have a relationship with their children. All relationships are built with love and understanding. They loved each other but they rarely understood one another.
@@iamsultana The person is wrong about everything. Emily knew very well about Rory, since Lorelai was still with her parents when she was born. She didn't sut them out completely, she made the occasional call, even if she didn't like it.
You're right, though. Lorelai had every right to decide how to decide how to live her life and actually had a good one that Emily was never able to acknowledge because it's not what SHE wanted. I like Emily, but I find it ridiculous that people really try to pretend she had any right to control Lorelai
of course she did, and in her true Emily way she was doing same mistakes she did with Lorelai, being to controlling and suffocating her. But Rory was a spoiled brat too... screaming about independence and doing things her own way because she is adult now, while leaving in her rich grandma's fancy pool house doing nothing and being financed by her grandparents and rich boyfriend and being ungrateful. they were both in the wrong and they both had their points of view. that is the beauty of this show. just like it is in real life :)
"When your father gets home"... poor Emily gets confused sometimes. Also, I like how the music emphasises the drama of their confrontation.
Dinara Tengri yea the tempo picks up from 1.29
Honestly, when I first clicked on this video, I thought I was watching the shootout from The Godfather.
Confused , yea, okay
See, I think she knew but she didn't know at the same time. So many times, Lorelai's tried to explain how they are and Rory's just passed off as "Oh, you'll work it out" or "you"re exaggerating" or "you shouldn't have handled it that way." Moving in with them and seeing how they can be, I think, is what REALLY made her understand why Lorelai can't always get along with her and why she distanced herself in the early years. I just don't think she really got it until she lived with them.
That’s so frustrating to me. No one ever believed Lorelei. Emily and Richard didn’t believe her when she was saying that Rory was out of control and Logan’s family was mean to her. And Rory wouldn’t believe her mom - who should be the first person she should believe and go to EVER. Rory made a lot of mistakes but the worst one was how she treated Lorelei here, she was beyond ungrateful.
@@visualvellichor6273 Rory wasn’t out of control. She wanted to take a break from Yale after what Mitchum said and Lorelei did not handle the situation right at all. Rory was reacting in a bit way but she has a right to take a break from school and find out what she wants to do or be. Lorelei should have helped her and supported her abs help her see reason. It wouldn’t be too late for her go back to school. She was barely even 21. Lorelei shut her out and then vice versa.
@@Ambereigh she basically costed her grandparents a fortune, all for nothing, and never said a thank you for once... And now Emily is the bad guy!!!
Her grandparents sustained her school fees, college fees, let her live there... If anything she should have been grateful...
@@villanelle2.0 Emily: Well, I didn't see you as much throwing yourself to the wall when we put that expensive wallpaper up.
I kinda see why now Lorelei left at 16. Now we all or most of us had strict rules. But to have some one lay out your clothes go thru your things and tell you how act is a bit controlling for me
I feel like Emily was testing Rory right here and when she saw how much Rory is like her mother she still didn't want to admit defeat
To be fair, Emily was just being a mother. She cared a lot about her reputation and what people thought of her, she didn’t disown her daughter for getting pregnant she actually embraced her and went and bought baby stuff. And her and her grandfather even came up with a plan for them to get married and for him to work for his firm so that he would be able to provide for his family, they were doing the best job that they could given the circumstances they were dealt with. Sure Emily was controlling a little bit but she had certain expectations for her daughter it’s not like she was Hitler
@@christinayates2496 trying to force your child into a marriage they do not want when they are 16 is way more than a little controlling.
@@dianabelle2073 I don't know why Emily was acting so shocked anyway. People have been saying that Rory and Lorelai have been alike for years. And when Rory shows a sign of that to her, she's acting as if Lorelai just picked this girl out of a hospital baby room and raised her instead of popping out her own kid with her genes
@@Ambereigh it's just plain crazy
Rory definitely knew how they were. But she's not as ummm free-spirited as Lorelai, so she can deal with their nonsense much better than Lorelai does. Whether she likes it or not, Rory loves that lifestyle as much as she loves her little small town life. Otherwise she wouldn't have gone to Yale and she wouldn't have run straight to the comfort of her grandparents' mansion.
Also being with Logan. She loved it
I didn't like Rory in this phase she claimed she wanted to be independent and find her way but in reality she was spoiled privileged brat, and than she was frustrated for being like that....
@David Roberts what does not liking Rory have anything to do with not being a fan of the show? I didn't like Rory either once she went off to Yale and I still love the show. I kept watching because of Luke, Lorelai, and the other characters despite Rory being on my nerves a lot of the time.
MMaya Emily was the one being really controlling in this situation not the other way around, I mean she was 21 years old and Emily was treating her like she was 5 and wasn’t free to make her own decisions, I can complete understand this from Rory’s point of view, it’s not up to Emily what she does with her life
As a Latina I didnt really care for the Gilmore girls behaviors at all. I just didnt understand or relate. Like she is living at her grandparents like there are going to be rules and you should respect that because they dont have to let you live there. And like Richard and Emily were not as controlling as my own family and I never rebelled or disrespected them.
I loved the town and some of the storylines but in general I just couldnt relate to either rory or lorelei.
Gacha Potato I could understand that if she’s living under their roof eating their food then it’s only fair she follows their rules, but Emily was being too controlling and treating her like a child. I also always thought she treated Lorelai like a child too.
@@allie7574 Yes. Emily was a bit controlling. I think she got a little too excited that she was going to be able to do the parenting thing right again. However, Rory could've handled moving out a little more like a 21 year old. She could've talked to them, called, wrote a letter. At least let her grandfather know that Colin and Finn were going to be in the house or they didn't have to pay for Yale anymore. I know she was mad, but dang...that is nasty immature behavior.
1:40 I love that in the background when Rory says she has been sleeping at Logan's you hear the musicians mess up the song for a second. I love how its a running theme on this show that background characters are always listening to their arguments
I'm deaf and I have watched this show like 100 times. Thanks for telling me a small, yet hilariously funny, detail.
Emily: _"You're becoming more like your mother with every passing day"_
Rory: _"And you're becoming more like my mother's mother with Every Passing Day"_
Uff, they had reached a boiling point and I think it is probably the only time in the entire series that they argue like this.
Every time Rory stuck up for herself, her grandparents & father would blame Lorelai. Rory would have to fight them & say “IT’S YOU” for them to listen & get it. Rory was so compliant with them, that when she wasn’t, it was a shock & of course, Lorelai’s fault🙄🙄.
Both Emily/Richard and Rory are at fault in this situation. Lorelai was right, she knew her daughter and knew what it would take for Rory to finally come to her senses. Richard and Emily only aided in Rory's "misbehaviour" because they pushed her into the mould that they wanted Lorelai to become; a woman of high social standards. I think Emily's frustration is due to Lorelai being right, also seeing how much of Lorelai's personality traits are in Rory. As for Rory, dropping out of Yale ceased her work ethic. Her initial plan to hide behind her grandparents and their wealth were uncalled for.
I never liked how easy it was for them to completely ignore Lorelai's authority as a parent. They've done it on multiple occasions.
This scene comes right after Rory leaves Emily’s house unexpectedly after living there for several months, without telling anyone. Emily has a right to be angry. Rory is being ungrateful and spoiled and clueless here.
As much as I loved her Rory was always spoiled.
@@uncletaylorify and who fault was that oh right it was Emily and Richard fault.
@@lauriecarson6483 It was Lorelai. Being friends with your daughter (or acting like it) before being a parent is not a good thing. And she was an only child.
@@Aiasmor so what I find nothing rwrong with it. You all are making big deal out of nothing.
@@Aiasmor and it was Rory's grandparents too not just Lorelais
I love Emily & Richard, don’t get me wrong. They’re great characters and they can be generous people. I just think they have this idea in their heads about the way things should be and when people don’t live up to it, they’re very harsh about it. BTW, I’m sorry that this rant was so long. I just haven’t had a good GG conversation in awhile and I love it ‘cause I love this show.
She's always known how controlling they were. Why did she choose to move in with them in the first place. It doesn't matter how controlling they are, they are still her grandparents and they still were nice enough to give her some shelter while she was having her ridiculous fit. The least she could do is at least be nicer about it, instead of acting entitled, like it was their obligation to take care of her.
Well, obviously she didn't know. Rory saw mostly a very good side of her grandparents, she had some distance from them. And, she was such a 'good kid' that she didn't aggravate them most of the time. She only knew what she'd heard from her mother, and what she'd seen of Lorelai and Emily's interactions- and Lorelai was definitely not innocent in provocating those, lol. Not to mention that she's 21, controlling behaviour from family isn't condoned as much. Living with someone full-time is very different from seeing them once a week for a few hours. You can't fully understand it until you've experienced it.
Yes she knew how controlling they were yet she decided to move into their pool house, and she decided to except their money for her education
Did anyone hear Rory thank her grandparents, at least once??? They gave her everything and she turned out to be a spoiled brat. She moved out and didn't even say goodbye DAMN I NEEDED TO RANT
Rory was was always a brat.
She did thank her grandparents at her graduation party in front of their friedms for everything they did for her. Did he grandparents apologize for treating her like a 5 year old.
@@ryansmith4494 and who made her like that oh yeah he grandparents.
@@lauriecarson6483 actually her mother raised her so it wouldn't be their fault.
@@luvyah2419 it's their fault too cause they think Rory can't do anything wrong and they put Rory on the highest pedestal. so it's it's their fault too.
I love Emily. She deeply loves Lorelei and is trying to fill this hole through out the whole series. From all of the characters I think she is the most broken. She feels worthless next to Richard and not loved and avoided from her own daughter. And in this scene she also lost Rory. Even though her expectation were too high, she deserves better.
The things Emily does for Lorelai is not out of love. If so there won't be strings attack or attacking for something she does in the past.
@Laurie Carson Exactly. And that's the biggest problem with Emily is that she thinks she knows what's best for her daughter and granddaughter. She's never truly learned and remains deluded into thinking they need her when in fact , she needs them.
I one hundred and ten percent agree you’re talking from my heart
I love how the music changes with the intensity of their conversation :) it really goes well with the scene :)
As for how Rory should've handled things, I've always been on the fence about it. Sometimes, I think she should've talked with them first, but then I remember the times that Lorelai's tried to really talk to them and they wouldn't listen 'cause they're so full of pride. I mean, I think the episode Friday Nights is alright for fighting was a pretty good example of how easy it is for Richard and Emily revise history when it suits them. So, I don't think they would've even listened to Rory.
Would they have listen if Rory talked to them. I mean Lorelai tried many times and they don't listen to her.
Living under her grandparents roof with their money: I can do whatever I want!
Yeah, no, Rory...
THANK YOU for saying that... I don't understand what's wrong with the people in the comment section, everyone supports her entitlement 😓
I don't support her entitlement, but I do support she should be treated like an adult. If she can pretty much come and go at college, she should have the same kind of respect here. While it was nice of her grandparents to take her in, it did not give them the right to run her life. If they didn't agree with her lifestyle they could ask her to leave. Honestly she was being very responsible, i.e. running this event as she said she would, she just wasn't telling her grandma her every move and if I remember correctly had a boy over late. I get the grandmother was afraid the same would happen to Rory as it did her mother but she had no right to try to money as leverage.
She was treated like a 5 years old. Emily picking out her cloths and having them maid get rid of her cloths. Rory was home by 10pm. Rory did what ever Emily and Richard ask of her.
@@villanelle2.0 You sound like you owe something.. Or someone owns you...
@@Quirkyalonester emily is upset because it happened before (meaning rory didn't learn her lesson), except this time it was intentional and rory didn't ask for their permission about logan staying there
I’m not siding with Emily but Rory was extremely rude and disrespectful to her.
I thought Rory was pretty respectful considering the situation. Emily was very controlling and Rory was an adult.
@@DCOM20. I have to disagree maybe Rory took advantage of living off her grandparents money but Lorali borrowed money for Rory's school and paid it back. Lorali made it clear she would not take any money from her parents because she knew Emily would hold it over her head. Emily was controlling. That's why Rory got so upset no one wants anyone controlling what they wear, where they can go and when it's time to have sex. When Emily didn't get things her way she was nasty to people. She was to Luke, Lorali, Rory and her worker's. I'm sorry but there is no excuse for Emily's behavior. Emily wanted Rory there so she could have a second chance doing all the things with Rory that she couldn't with Lorali and once again Emily's plans back fired. The only thing I did not like was how Rory left her grandparents house. She should have said something and not just disappeared. However I do understand why she did it because Emily would have been nasty to her and who wants to keep going through that. That's why Lorali left.
@@DCOM20. I will say I think Rory was spoiled and they put her on a paddle stool. She knew she could get her grandparents to help her and anytime she was mad at Lorali she ran to them. I do think Rory should have faced her grandparents before moving out because in spite of Emily's controlling behavior Rory's grandparents were good to her and she should have had more respect for them.
Rory gets so much hate for something she didn't do. Emily was rude she could have waited to yell at Rory after the event. But no Emily wanted it her way.
No Emily was rude and ungrateful. Emily called Rory's friends to find out where she is at. Emily could have waited until later to to talk to Rory. If someone would have done that to her Emily would have had a cow and go off on them.
Rory was 1000% in the right and not a brat at all. Emily was being ridiculously controlling.
Finally Rory stood up to that object of a louse
I think Rory moving in with her grandparents, she finally got to see the side of Emily that Lorelai had to deal with. I think that after Rory left her grandparents , got her a job, made up with her mom. That their relationship was better than before.
Classic Rory. She gets into an argument and it's SHE who decides when she's heard enough! Rory did the same thing to her mother in the sex-with-Dean episode. I love this girl!
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I still find Rory to be at fault for a lot of this.
Because she is at fault... Finally a sane person in the comment section
No Rory is not it fault. Emily starts it all the time but Rory gets the blame.
@@villanelle2.0 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Of course you do. Even if it wasn't Rory"s fault
It was Emily's fault, too! She invaded Rorys privacy by calling Lane or Paris to find out where Rory was via Rory's contacts.
She definitely was at fault for most of this. I thought it was really crappy what she did with her grandparents.
They should of listened to her mother!! Not try to redo what they missed.
She probably wanted to live with her grandparents because thought they would coddled her
Yeah blame Rory for everything but excuse Emily behavior
HA! "Grounded? I'm 21, you can't ground me!" lol Rory may be sweet but she sure knows how to hold her own.
kissame104 yeaaaah like she is completely independent and not a loser in her 30's
I'm sorry but I applaud Rory in this scene cuz she finally came to her senses and realized that she made a mistake. I sorta feel here that Emily is poking the bear by saying "Don't you use that tone with me". The reason why Emily and Richard were so hurt was I think they didn't wanna admit defeat to Lorelai like they were embarrassed when Rory moved out cuz they realized they lost
Diana Belle for sure. They wanted Rory to be the perfect, compliant, little, doll. That’s not how humans are. They didn’t learn their lesson with Lorelai. Same mistakes with Rory
Well she shouldn’t be raising her voice or using a condescending tone towards her grandmother, nevertheless in her own home, that’s disrespectful. No one forced Rory to move into their pool house, no one forced her to except money for prep school and no one forced her to except money for Yale. She wanted all of the benefits of her grandparents wealth but didn’t want any of the rules that came with it
@@christinayates2496 she isn’t a robot. They can’t just push whatever button they want and she’s gonna do whatever dance they say. They are her grandparents they should be providing shelter and money for school because they love her and want her to be safe and educated. Not to control her every move. That’s toxic as hell. Sad that you don’t see that.
@@christinayates2496 So she should just let Emily yell at her in front of everyone and not say a word. No sorry
@@christinayates2496 for one she wasnt at home when she was talking to her grandma. Emily started to yell at Rory for no reason at all. Rory wasn't late to the event. Emily is controlling and treated Rory like a 5 year old. You think Rory is going to take Emily yelling at her infant of everyone. Rory stood up for herself.
21 years old
Yeah good luck grounding an adult without an arrest warrant
one thing i noticed when i saw this clip, emily walks towards i'm guessing the kitchen since her and rory walked towards where emily entered in the first place. other wise good scene good to stand up for yourself go rory!!!
I love Rory for this moment. Emily never respected Lorelai's need for independence and freedom, and Rory putting Emily in her place was perfect! She should have respected that Rory was an adult by now, and not a child she could restrict like she tried to do with Lorelai.
In other words you are just as entitled and selfish as the Gilmore girls are
@@villanelle2.0 no she is not and yours acting like Emily
I agree
@@villanelle2.0Emily was controlling. I just know what it is like to have someone try to control you. Not a parent. But I am sensitive to that kind of abuse, that's why I said what I said, but go off if it makes you feel better. Bye now.
@@lauriecarson6483 Thankyou! Have a lovely whatever time it is in your area!
that's one giGANTIC balalaika
also great scene :D
Reminds me of two times my stepmom tried to "ground" me for something stupid. I laughed in her face and said I am 20 years old and can no longer be grounded, especially by her, and before anyone tries to say that you can be grounded if you live under her roof crap I wasn't living with her and it technically wasn't her roof. I only came over for a appointment for something.
I think Rory did the right thing she got too wrapped up in that world and she needed to get out of there I understand her frustration with Emily I would be too
Then you're pretty immature.
Emily Aucutt same
Ares9999 How am I immature
The only person who was really in the right of this situation was Lorelai. She went to her parents and tried to stop all of this and they stabbed her in the back in favor of allowing Rory to have her little episode for an entire semester of Yale. THAT is where Emily and Richard went wrong, by not supporting Lorelai. Here? No. Rory had this coming. She was flat-out terrible in the first half of the sixth season. She clearly has a thin skin by getting THAT upset over what Logan's father said to her in spite of the heaps of praise literally everyone else in the world gives her. She was being a disrespectful little punk to everybody who loved and cared for her in her short 20 years of life. SHE was the one embracing Emily and Richard's life because she wanted to have a temper tantrum over one man telling her she couldn't hack it. Not to mention, she broke the law and stole and was entitled enough to be indignant over getting punished. Screw Rory. She's an entitled little brat that can't handle life if people aren't falling at her feet. If Rory didn't like her grandparents' rules, maybe her bum ass shouldn't have squatted in their pool house.
@@cheetahinireland18 and your absolutely right. Rory was horrible that season. And honestly now that I'm older I can see why some people don't really like her. Especially after the revival.
Why do i love this scene so much
i can’t stand rory during this part of the series shes a privileged brat. what i hate the most is that later on in the season she calls out logan for being a trust fund baby when in reality her and logan aren’t that much far off. She legit lives for free at a pool house, got a car for graduation, has a rich dad now and the grandparents have always been there throwing parties and providing financially when needed. Indeed they get their money back, but lorelai pays them back not rory. Rory is always treated like she can do no wrong when she’s a terrible human being. she doesn’t realize how lucky she is to have lorelai as a mother, she’s ungrateful, and she’s a home wrecker on top of it all. it is so weird how she stayed with logan after he cheated on her with a whole bachelorette party squad and was still after his tail when he basically broke up with her for not engaging WHILE he had a fiancée. like girl standup.
i hate how none of her actions have consequences ( dropping out of yale, getting arrested, participating in adultery) and everybody excuses her with “she’s a grown woman she can do what she wants” like yeah no. she may be grown psychically but she’s not independent at all if it weren’t for lorelai and the grandparents she’d legit be homeless and broke. that to me isn’t a “grown independent woman” that’s a child trynna play grownup with other peoples money. girly sits at logan’s apartments like as if she ever paid rent.
Wow you sound so much like Emily.
I have to disagree. What was crappy is that Rory is a 21 yo with a job and her grandparents thought they could control her like she's five. Maybe just taking off like that wasn't the right way to handle it, but if Richard and Emily weren't so controlling and could actually hear a POV besides their own, it might not have come to that.
With a job the Emily helped her get...let's not forget that.
@@luvyah2419 This comment is 7 years old. My opinion of Rory has changed A LOT since then. Lol.
Rory was still rude.
@@scr1231 Like, I said, a lot of my opinions about Rory have changed since this post.
tbh her grandparents got her the dar job
Loved when rory told her off
Emily’s attitude is why Lorelei left. She’s too controlling.
she's 21 and incredibly immature. i cannot stand rory.
Aren't all 21 immature. Emily acted like a 5 year old who don't get her way.
You sound immature and a cry baby.
"You're overreacting"....isnt that pretty much what this show is about.
Lmao
Rory couldn’t have just said “thank you for everything, it’s time for me to move out”
Sure Emily is controlling but you don’t just leave without saying anything?!
At the graduation party Emily and Richard threw for Rory she thanked her grandparents for everything they did for in front of their friends. Did you not pay attention to that.
@@lauriecarson6483of course I did at the graduation she thanks them for everything, I meant thanking them for taking her in for months, for free
The way Emily said don't you use that tone with me, I can see why Rory was mad Emily is terrible
Am I the only one who doesn't understand why people support Rory? How the fuck are you this disrespectful to the person that lets you live in her home?! And seriously why is everyone acting like it's such a terrible thing that Mitchum huntzberger was being honest to her? Life is not easy, you should be able to take criticism
She wasn't being disrespectful she felt like she was being smothered and she was overprotective she's 21 and Emily was trying to ground her. She was trying to control her. She even moved her stuff out of the pool house when she found she out they were doing stuff in there she's 21 she's a grown woman in here
I agree, I don't support Rory here. She is 21 years old. Disappointments come with life. She is aware of this personal but with Mitchum this was her first real jolt into the real world. She had a couple growing up, first starting at Chilton then in Yale, with her assignments and at the paper. But nothing truly significant enough. She couldn't take critics but is unfortunate as she wanted to be a journalist that would entice critics for a career.
Emily and Richard may have been overprotective and possibly overbearing but it came from care. Rory couldn't see that and also didn't tell them in the way she should have. As it came to a crumbling halt. When it didn't need to. Rory was suppose to be level headed but didn't act that way and hadn't for a while. They did give her space but when they realised she were getting too comfortable in this life. They tried to act in their own misguided way. She may have been 21 and to her seemed too old to be grounded seeing as she has lived away from home, but here she was living with her grandparents most likely not paying rent so I'm inclined to agree with Emily here.
+Emily Aucutt she was trying to ground her after Rory was being fucking disrespectful towards Emily before. Sure Emily smothered her but it's her house, if Rory wants to come and leave whenever she wants then get a job and pay your own bills
Really? She's not acting like a grown woman, but like a child.
@Emily Aucutt If she didn't like the rules she shouldn't have moved there! honestly she knew how her grandparents were and she still stayed because the enjoyed the luxury and the expensive life and when she got tired of it she acted like a spoiled brat and disrespected her grandmother !
But what I'm saying is that Rory acted wrong in this situation. To me she was a complete brat and it really annoyed me that she even had the galls to be upset and get sassy with Emily. I would've been a lot nicer to her, regardless of how annoying she is, just out of gratitude; for putting up with my brattiness and my silly identity crisis without expecting much in exchange. IDK I was raised that way, maybe that's why that's my POV.
Rory had every right to say what's on her mind. Emily was controlling and watched every move Rory made. She treated Rory like she was 5 years old. She raised her voice at and event which Rory wasn't late too. Send a priest to talk Rory out of having sex. She pulled the same crap with Lorelai and now to Rory. You think Rory will just stand there and take it. Everyone says Rory is ungrateful no Emily was the one who was ungrateful to Rory. Have you heard the term respect is earned not given. I lost all respect for Emily the way she treated her daughter and granddaughter.
@@lauriecarson6483 LMAO What exactly does Emily have to thank Rory for? What did Rory ever do for Emily that would warrant Rory being so ungrateful? Yes, Emily was controlling. She didn’t really know how to be a friend aside from a mother. Yes she had really outdated ways of parenting. Rory knew this all along. Don’t forget Rory PUT herself in that situation because she’s a brat who never could handle criticism. She ran away from her mother like an ungrateful little baby, just because she couldn’t stand to hear the truth. She very gladly accepted her grandparents help, lived in a beautiful place and wasted her life away for a whole year, living the “it girl” life with her boyfriend, spoiled rotten, and then got pissy at her grandma for no real reason? Nah. Omg she asked a priest to talk to her about sex, how horrific! nothing Emily did to her couldn’t have been solved with a conversation. Rory had a very different relationship with her grandparents than Lorelai did.
Stop making excuses for her. She was the worst.
@@lpycb42 I wasnt sticking up for Emily. If you can read what I wrote it was defending Rory. And I can do what ever I want just like everonr else. So don't tell me what I can and cannot do.
Consummate professionals, that balalaika troupe. Consummate professionals.
That’s a pretty big balalaika.
What a critical, awful woman... Good for Rorey for standing up for herself.
She is Lorelai after all
I felt like Rory was being a brat here.
Jenny G I agree was extremely rude and disrespectful to her grandma.
Absolutely. No excuses for her. But I love how Emily exposed herself by calling Richard Rorys father. Lorelei was so right, they were trying to get a second chance at a daughter because Lorelei was a disappointment to them.
did any of you watch what led up to this, or are you judging a book by its cover?
@@sharky2606 I did which is why I mentioned that there was obviously built up from what lead to this moment and that Emily exposed herself in the scene as well. Doesn´t change the fact that she was being a brat. Her grandparents were to blame as well because they were so obsessed about going against Lorelei that they ended up making Rory´s situation worst but Rory was for sure a brat and very ungrateful to everybody. She´s only nice when everything goes her way
She was being bratty, but shame on Emily for going back on her word to Lorelai. Emily was a liar, plain and simple.
Rory could have handled it better tho; she should've thanked her and Richard for taking her in.
And Emily and Richard should've apologized to Lorelai for lying to her.
There was plenty of fault to go around.
Is there any way you could post "Emily in Wonderland"?
must be Nice to have family that is so bright
Oh don't worry I like to read all different point of views :)
I am watching this show for the first time beginning to end. What I'm getting is that the entire show was the producer working through her own family issues. There are strings in all famililial relationships no matter how we try to avoid them. The obvious ropes and chains depicted in this show are meant to underscore the difficulty in life even when you come from privilege and money. The main character walks away and then, in order to give her child the best advantages, crawls back to the patriarchy she despises. Interesting allegory.
I more or less grew up on the show, but more as a “background show” something that was just in the common lexicon, so to speak. I’m rewatching it on Netflix and I have to agree with your assessment. There are a few writing inconsistencies here and there. But the heart of the show is just how messed up life can be and that not everyone grasps how to “adult” the same way. The revival is I think the theme of the show coming full circle. Lorelei despite being the “adult” in the dynamic arguably comes of age during the show, whilst Rory comes of age in a similar fashion in the revival. Life is messy, people are complicated and family always comes with baggage no matter your background.
So telling, so important
Rory is kinda of a brat. When she made her decision to dropout, her grandparents supported her when her mother turned her back on her. Richard and Emily did everything to make her happy and in the end she just left, not even a thank you and blamed them for everything. End of the day we all know Emily and Richard didn’t want to make the same mistakes with Rory which they did with Lorelai. They were hard with Lorelai and didn’t want the same treatment for Rory…
1:26 Pictured: How you figuratively put your foot in their you-know-what.
Who the fu** does Emily think she is? It’s comical.
then why are you watching the clip.
What episode was this
This scene would be funny if I didn't have a mother just like this. Overbearing, smothering, controlling, extremely unsupportive, judgemental, always blaming you for both hers and your failures, constant toxic criticism, yelling like a maniac (my neighbours were wondering if she was crazy), always negative, disappointed for no good reason, angry and mean. Emily reminds me a lot of her. She might be an entertaining character to watch but a real life Emily for a mother would be a PTSD inducing nightmare.
I love that Rory confronted her. Emily think she could control everyone around her and if they didn’t do what she told them she would get upset. The brat was Emily and not Rory in this time
Emily and Richard did a lot for Rory but by the end they were too invasive and controlling. Had they backed off a little and treated Rory like an adult she would have easily adapted to their life style. Hell, she would have done better there than the one she ultimately chose.
You're right
This scene shows Emily literally learned nothing from Lorelai. The difference here is that Rory is an adult and can just leave whenever she wants. Emily and Richard forgot that, and repeated the same mistakes.
It's ironic how Emily is always so touchy about how she fears her family is going to "make a scene" and embarrass her in front of other people, yet she has no qualms about blatantly humiliating Rory at this very public event.
I agree that Rory has made a lot of bad decisions and has been selfish throughout much of the series -- but, in terms of this scene, I'm 100% on Team Rory here. Emily overstepped and never once bothered to try to approach Rory in a civilized manner about her concerns.
I don't like the way Emily is/was treating Rory aka Lorelai Gilmore III. What's Emily's problem, she acted as if she is/was Rory's wicked stepmother and Lorelai Gilmore II's wicked stepmother.
Amanda Ramos I’ve always found Emily annoying. I think Rory had to live with them to see that it was a mistake and could understand why her mom doesn’t always get along with them. Rory was 21 and Emily was treating her like she’s some 5 year old. I probably would’ve gotten pissed off too if I was treated like I was 5.
Rory was a brat though! She went to her grandparents house crying and defeated, because a little glimpse of the real world freaked her out. Once the rules of the house were changing then she rejects and bolts like she does throughout every season. What really disgusts me was when she sent Colin and Finn inside her grandparents house (when she isn't there) and not telling them they didn't have to pay for Yale. 21 year olds don't act like that. 5 year olds act like that, so Emily was right on the money looking at Rory as if she were 5. Then at 32, she still was acting immature.
@@luvyah2419 no she wasnt a brat. Emily treated Rory like a 5 year old.
@@luvyah2419 so crying to someone makes them a brat. Good to know.
Emily was being controlling , but Rory was just plain disrespectful. She knew how they were before she moved in 🤷
I still don't understand why Rory was suddenly so mean to her Grandparents when she realised she should be back at Yale. They took her in and helped her when she wanted to take some time off then she just up and left without a word.
I take it to mean “life repeating itself.” Emily and Richard are loving grandparents don’t get me wrong. But they disrespect their daughter’s authority as the parent and are controlling. Rory could have acted more grateful, I’m not saying she isn’t acting entitled. But I think this scene highlights that they hadn’t really learned their lesson. They can’t just accept that their daughter and granddaughter are complicated people with their own autonomy. This failed them both in different ways. Lorelai might have forged her own path, but she is still made to feel like a failure and seeks their approval, even as they express their disappointment at her.
Rory failed to become self sufficient because ironically she became too over reliant on their generosity and support. Due to their constant interfering nature and need for control. Failing to prepare her for life. People are quick to criticise Rory as an entitled spoilt brat. But the truth is, we are all shaped by our environment. And the overbearing, albeit good intentioned, nature of Emily and Richard shaped both Lorelai and Rory. For better and worse
And your think Emily and Richard where kind lol
growing up is seeing rory as the asshole and not emily. sure emily overstepped a lot, but considering rory was living under their roof and benefitting from their money and privilege she had no right to talk to her grandmother that way. rory was angry at herself for her decisions and was taking it out on emily who allowed her to move into her home and alienated lorelai as a result. team emily here.
Nooooo, REAL growing up is coming to the stark realization that both of these people are complex and flawed characters, who BOTH are accountable for the bad decisions they made that led to the disintegration of their relationship in this moment! REAL growing up is not being "team" anyone! What are you, a fuckin Twihard?! 🤣🤣🤣
So Rory was an asswhole and Emily wasn't that's a laugh
@@lauriecarson6483 glad something said 7 months ago could make a 12 year old smile.
@@hellacioushag you think in 12 years old that's a laugh. I'm property 20 years older then you.
@@lauriecarson6483 you’re the one commenting on something I posted 6 months ago. Tell me again you’re not 12 🤔
People hate on Rory but she was a saint. There’s only two people who she genuinely mistreated and that was grandmothers and dean’s wife. She was awful to them. But everyone else she was a saint to
…and THIS is why Lorilie was so angry at her parents. They just wanted a ‘do over’ with another daughter. Anyone who can’t see that is absolutely blind. Rory is such an entitled brat!
My favourite scene! So much my daughter, my mum and .... me (O.S.= off screen :-) )
HAHAHAHA! LORELAI WAS FUCKING RIGHT! EMILY IS MESSED UP! AND RORY'S ALL OVER THE PLACE!!!!😂😂😂😂😂😂
Drag her Rory!
Kalinka :D
hahahaha!!!!!!!!!!
I liked the the show the first time
Now its not that great